This one is for Jasonhouse
Why have you chosen to lock/close 4 out of 5 threads about dubai simply cos you dont know about them. If this is a forum of ideas and chats why do the moderators choose to act like that.
As far as verifying those projects goes, I live here and Ill walk you through each of them
Hydropolis-Still very much underdevelopment, there is even a project sihn board up and on the Dubai Municipality development site it has it listed as aproject of signifivcance meaning its promoted at the highest level.
Palm Tower-Was very much alive and even went as far as wind testing the design. Ive seen the model and even know somone involved at Nakheel who was working on this. Scraped as Nakheel will attempt the WTB sometime after knowing what the BJ will do.
5000 Building U/C in Dubai-Again this was from the newspaper and is simpley a fact as noted and used to show the scale of the development here.
Third contender for WTB _is actually corect seeing as the Pinnacle , BD and Business Bay tower are all touted as the WTB, this possibly should have been under the Palm tower thread.
Then there were many threads about the BD and the so many doomslayers shouting off about its not U/C and it will never happen, next thing a picture of the completed raft appear and the the thread is locked as well.Belive me the height is irrelivant and its going to be over 800m so whats the big deal. There are many buildings with unconfirmed heights around.

Now all of these are locked with comments of rumers and are not actually happening etc yet we have a thread about Toronto 2015 which is so far in the future I doubt any of us will be on this site checking if its a rummer or not.
Seems Dubai has a lot of prejudice against it and I wish this site would continue to be a open and independant forum with no thought police controling things. Maybe we will see if I get banned for asking these questions.
Adios :) :)

Spam.
JH was telling you post in the right sections of the forum.
This isn't in the right section.

of course it is, all projects have the right to be here. Why are the tel aviv, london, hong kong threads etc still in the public page and not the respective regional threads?
Agreed the Miami thing was a joke but all the Dubai ones were real and not a joke. They should be threated the same as any other proposals

What cracked up my nerves was the blocking of this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=173490)

Actually, the thread should have never been created until there is verifiable information.

People, PLEASE do not create a thread about such projects until the project and its details can be confirmed and verified as real. If that doesn't happen until the project is under construction or whatever, then too bad.

Is that the reason(I cant see it)! It is not even said what it is and it is mentioned in the article (SOURCE) that it will be announced next Saturday. The topic is not written under Project & Development section and it was posted in the general ...

I guess that mods here like to use their powers a lot! HADO KEN

well dubai does seem to be taking the brunt of this, i can see why the threads were moved. but couldnt we have a proposal section in projects and updates, for updates on how proposed buildings are progressing towards conformation?

anyhow i dont understand why the one in the uae forum was closed, couldnt it have been moved to the skyMajlis insted. it wasnt posted as anything official, just that a big announcement was on the way. which was news and was in the general/news section.

Great, now we've got a racist administrator who hates the Middle East...

The Pinnacle thread should not have been locked, as it is a legitimate project under development, considering the actual Palm Jumeirah islands are under construction.

The other threads were misplaced, but this action is nonetheless heavyhanded.

ya, I'm sure it's because he hates the entire region....... so tired of that victim mentality so many folk seem burdened by

I think we are getting overzealous moderation by Jasonhouse, what particularly annoyed me was how he actually locked a thread in the UAE Forums about a REAL project to be announced (according to UAE news papers) this coming Saturday. Surely that one can be unlocked at least?
I would like to request for that thread to be unlocked, along with the ones he locked in the Project and Updates particularly the 5000 buildings under construction one, and the Burj Dubai and Business Bay ones. They are all real projects and so I don't see why the threads should be locked.

Honestly I think jasonhouse has something against anything to do with Dubai, because nothing else seems to explain his actions

you people are so dramatic..... ;)

ya, I'm sure it's because he hates the entire region....... so tired of that victim mentality so many folk seem burdened by
Then explain how actual projects are locked or moved????? We live here mate we see these things for real. Why cant anyone believe us.
I know why cos its not either in Europe or the North America.I remember a few years ago on this site loads of sceptisism about chineese projects untill they all happened.
Neverthe less this is a classic quote "People, PLEASE do not create a thread about such projects until the project and its details can be confirmed and verified as real. If that doesn't happen until the project is under construction or whatever, then too bad. "
Man the ignorance is astounding. We see these projects get announced but thats not good enough for Jasonhouse, he wants to see it u/c seems like another case of the world is flat!!!!!

let's please stop this bashing crap only once

guys like zuelas and qwertyuiop: :wtf: :ohno:

the only thing i have to critisize is that the projects & updates section is not taken care of enough!

i can adjust to the fact only officially confirmed projects should be allowed to have a thread in there.
chess city is one which has NO RIGHT to be in there.

the dubai threads have mainly been closed but there are still many many VISIONAL threads remaining like the one about a 2000m tower. but these will be taken care of now!

and then people like uptown-midtown come along with big fat lies about the wtb in florida. this was dumb and poor and doesn't make the situation easier to handle

only officially confirmed projects should be allowed to have a thread in there.

there are still many many VISIONAL threads

:yes:

There was no "heavy handedness." These threads were spamming the Projects and Updates page, and Jasonhouse did the right thing by locking them.

how were they spamming? they are REAL projects

There was no "heavy handedness." These threads were spamming the Projects and Updates page, and Jasonhouse did the right thing by locking them.

and a thread about a 2000m 200 floor vision to be built in 20 years, even if, is no spamming and worth to post

but a second wtb (the pinnacle) which is in tendering and in redesign stage is not worth to be talked about???

:ohno:

how were they spamming? they are REAL projects

wot surprises me the most bout the locking of all these threads is that all of us r still here and havent been banned. :cheers:

If the World canot accept the fact that we have all these extraordinary projects, ALL of whiich are real and UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR IN SOME STAGE OF TENDERING, then i guess it is best for us to keep our Dubai discussions to our own forum. Atleast that way we wont have to keep justifying the developments to skeptics.

C u all back in the "real" forum. :runaway:

:yes:

There was no "heavy handedness." These threads were spamming the Projects and Updates page, and Jasonhouse did the right thing by locking them.

:weird: :tongue:

........, then i guess it is best for us to keep our Dubai discussions to our own forum. Atleast that way we wont have to keep justifying the developments to skeptics.

C u all back in the "real" forum. :runaway:


That is a good idea. Talk about them and discuss the finer details in the UAE sub-forum where the best knowledge of these projects is to be found.

By all means DISPLAY the projects here. Show them off. Give the essential facts, but dont have 20 page discussions about what strength concrete is to be used or how much apartment 355B is retailling for....that is spamming.

That is a good idea. Talk about them and discuss the finer details in the UAE sub-forum where the best knowledge of these projects is to be found.

By all means DISPLAY the projects here. Show them off. Give the essential facts, but dont have 20 page discussions about what strength concrete is to be used or how much apartment 355B is retailling for....that is spamming.


most of the threads being posted in this forum were already discussed in details in the UAE sub-forum and most of them are old. we know what we are doing.

PM Jasonhouse if you got a problem or issue you wanna bring up.

This thread needs to stay open, because people obviously have some real concerns, which need addressed....


Folks, all we need is some kind of source which can be corroborated, so that other members can see for themselves that the projects posted about are real projects currently and actively under development, and not lies like the Miami prank.



As an interim solution, Jan himself posted a new "rule" in the P&U forum to help address this problem of verification. We are presently working to restructure the entire World P&U forum, to better handle different projects in different phases. Our hope is that this will not only improve the quality of the P&U content here, but will also help solve other contentious issues, such as trolling by the non-believers.

Clearly "vision" projects and projects which don't even 'officially' exist yet present a bit of a problem for us, as we have no way of knowing if it's a real project or a prank by a forumer. In a local forum, the locals usually know right away that someone is making up a story. But in the World forum, people who live thousands of miles away have no idea; they have to trust the info posted by others. All we're seeking to do is instill more trust in the P&U forum, as development news is at the very heart of why this site exists. If we knowingly allow fabricated/incorrect/exaggerated information to be spread around, that makes this site look very irresponsible and childish, and then just confuses and pisses off the membership.



Folks are operating under the false assumption that I have something "against" Dubai, the UAE or all Arabs??? That's completely untrue. One of the main motivations here is to STOP the endless trolling of Dubai threads and forumers. If you don't believe me, ask the UAE mod. Clearly your own mod isn't going to lie to you...

And think about it, why would one of the site's cofounders just up and decide one day that he's going to start hating everyone from Dubai? I'm not a troll, I'm a 30 year old architecture student who works as a general contracting superintendent, and is fascinated by highrises... me "hating" on the very people this site was created to serve is quite irrational, no?


Lastly, I implore folks to remember that like you, all staffers are hobbyists, who do this on our liesure time. No staffer has ever been paid a cent for the hard work we put in here... Also, has anyone else here ever run a highrise forum this large? (I know nobody has, because one this big has never existed before) Well, we haven't run one this big before either. Please have some patience, as we experience a new issue everyday, and they sometimes take trial and error to fix. We know we're not perfect, but we're trying. :cheers1:

thanks mate for the frankness and Ill support anything to stop the spam.
But remember most of the almost unbelievable threads about dubai (mountain city, hydropolis etc) have been in the press here, have project sign boards up etc so we go by what we see and hear.
Unfortunatly some pranksters have just made life hard for many of us in a country that has almost unbeliveble projects being released everyday. Just before xmas we hade like 5 300m plus towers released.
Also its the responsibilty of the regional foremers not to over load ther main page with individual projkects other wise we would never see anythinsg except china and dubai. Rather put the completly mind blowing ones there and leave the 50-80- story towers in our forum.
over and out

Oh yeah running a big forum is a load of time. This community is increasing by time, but it's still not very large. I've been in much larger communities with at least 100+ thousand members and I didn't ever try to be an admin. Because I know you won't get paid and they would accept very much from you (I tried it in a small 4 thousand people community and it was too much pressure and responsibilities)

I appreciate the hard work done and we just needed some clarifications, like you did, to correct our misunderstanding.

I agree with what SA BOY said ^_^

This thread needs to stay open, because people obviously have some real concerns, which need addressed....


Folks, all we need is some kind of source which can be corroborated, so that other members can see for themselves that the projects posted about are real projects currently and actively under development, and not lies like the Miami prank.



As an interim solution, Jan himself posted a new "rule" in the P&U forum to help address this problem of verification. We are presently working to restructure the entire World P&U forum, to better handle different projects in different phases. Our hope is that this will not only improve the quality of the P&U content here, but will also help solve other contentious issues, such as trolling by the non-believers.

Clearly "vision" projects and projects which don't even 'officially' exist yet present a bit of a problem for us, as we have no way of knowing if it's a real project or a prank by a forumer. In a local forum, the locals usually know right away that someone is making up a story. But in the World forum, people who live thousands of miles away have no idea; they have to trust the info posted by others. All we're seeking to do is instill more trust in the P&U forum, as development news is at the very heart of why this site exists. If we knowingly allow fabricated/incorrect/exaggerated information to be spread around, that makes this site look very irresponsible and childish, and then just confuses and pisses off the membership.



Folks are operating under the false assumption that I have something "against" Dubai, the UAE or all Arabs??? That's completely untrue. One of the main motivations here is to STOP the endless trolling of Dubai threads and forumers. If you don't believe me, ask the UAE mod. Clearly your own mod isn't going to lie to you...

And think about it, why would one of the site's cofounders just up and decide one day that he's going to start hating everyone from Dubai? I'm not a troll, I'm a 30 year old architecture student who works as a general contracting superintendent, and is fascinated by highrises... me "hating" on the very people this site was created to serve is quite irrational, no?


Lastly, I implore folks to remember that like you, all staffers are hobbyists, who do this on our liesure time. No staffer has ever been paid a cent for the hard work we put in here... Also, has anyone else here ever run a highrise forum this large? (I know nobody has, because one this big has never existed before) Well, we haven't run one this big before either. Please have some patience, as we experience a new issue everyday, and they sometimes take trial and error to fix. We know we're not perfect, but we're trying. :cheers1:


I suppose from your point of view as someone who has possibly not heard of a lot of the projects in Dubai like Hydropolis, mountain city, pearl etc etc they might seem a little fictional and not real so maybe it's understandable why you acted in such a way.
In the future we'll just try to get each uae forumer that posts on P&U about a Dubai project to put a link to their post / post pictures of the construction site etc etc to verify that the project is real.

^ you're not quite getting it... You're still operating under the misperception that those threads were locked because I personally wasn't aware they existed (I am well aware that they exist. I'm Admin of the two largest highrise forums in existence, I couldn't be ignorant of such major developments if I tried)...

All we're trying to do is ensure that when a project IS real, then there is some sort of verifiable information provided which proves this...Such as a press release from the developer, architect or engineer... Maybe a news report from a respectable news agency (not a blogger or another web forum)... Maybe a development status report from the government or even government documents such as the project's permits or submittal for development (Such govt records are very public here, don't know about there)... Maybe even an e-mail from the firm marketing the space in the project... Heck, it can be a picture of the fence and rendering at the project site itself (this worked for BD before, remember?)...

People basically just need to post ANYTHING reliable, which shows other forumers that the project is real, not a figment of someone's imagination. That way when people start trolling the thread, saying it's a hoax, we staffers can tell them to knock it off or else.

All we're trying to do is ensure that when a project IS real, then there is some sort of verifiable information provided which proves this...Such as a press release from the developer, architect or engineer... Maybe a news report from a respectable news agency (not a blogger or another web forum)... Maybe a development status report from the government or even government documents such as the project's permits or submittal for development (Such govt records are very public here, don't know about there)... Maybe even an e-mail from the firm marketing the space in the project... Heck, it can be a picture of the fence and rendering at the project site itself (this worked for BD before, remember?)...


http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Hydropolis/december2004-1.jpg

So I take it the Hydropolis thread on P and U will be unlocked now?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=170523&page=5

^yes indeed. :cheers1:

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Hydropolis/december2004-1.jpg

Yes :yes:

That's the kind of thing we need to see more of. :D

Yes :yes:

That's the kind of thing we need to see more of. :D

i've posted my photos in all corresponding threads but people were more focused on bashing than on watching the pics :(


the site on christmas (still nothing happened)
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Hydropolis/december2004-2.jpg

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Hydropolis/december2004-3.jpg

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Hydropolis/december2004-4.jpg

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Hydropolis/december2004-1.jpg

for dubai, all projects will have a standard municipality sign with details of the project; more often than not this will also contain render, examples can be seen all over the uae forum. however the hydropolis hotel is slightly different, that is not an official board and there are no official press releases. thats not to say that wok isnt going on, for all we know its in an advanced planning stage. but thats dubai for you. one day its a dream, 12 hours later they begin work on the site!!!