Sorry if the article seems one sided, but it was taken from the Houston Chronicle.


Houston among four finalists for 2009 Super Bowl
By CARLTON THOMPSON
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

The NFL was so impressed by the show Houston put on for Super Bowl XXXVIII that commissioner Paul Tagliabue vowed the game would return to the city. It might happen as early as 2009.

Houston, Atlanta, Miami and Tampa Bay have been selected as finalists to host Super Bowl XLIII. Jacksonville, Detroit, Miami and Phoenix will host the next four games.

The 2009 site will be awarded at a meeting of the league owners in May.

"There's still a lot of work to do, but we're as pleased as we can be to be among the finalists," Reliant Park president Shea Guinn said. "You'd like to think the success we had here last time would help push us to the forefront to have this opportunity."

Full story (http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/texans/2940885)

I think that Detroit is a JOKE...

Houston, Atlanta, Miami and Tampa Bay
That's one hell of a list. I think Miami will be out though simply because they get it in 2007.

Has Seattle hosted a game yet? It should get one, IMO.
GO HOUSTON!

Has Seattle hosted a game yet? It should get one, IMO.


I mentioned that not to long ago in another thread. I agree.

^ Seattle doesn't have a domed football stadium... it will not get one.

Neither does Jacksonville, and it is hosting the event this February.

Did you forget where Seattle is? I didn't, I lived there for a lot of the last 12 years.

The NFL will never gamble that a Winter day in Seattle will not contain rain.

True.

I thought Arlington was going after 2009? Maybe it was 2011...

Why not Charlotte?

Not to be messy or anything, but just curious, why would they pick Charlotte?

Arlington's earliest chance will be 2010 or 2011.

host cities must have an average outdoor temperature of at least 50 degrees on the date of the proposed Super Bowl....no seattle

Why would they pick Charlotte? Why the hell would they pick Jacksonville?

host cities must have an average outdoor temperature of at least 50 degrees on the date of the proposed Super Bowl....no seattle


Hah. Detroit is hosting in 2006.

Why would they pick Charlotte? Why the hell would they pick Jacksonville?

I'm not going to go there. lol. Let me just say great minds think alike. ;)

http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/02/19/super_bowl/

I'm not going to go there. lol. Let me just say great minds think alike. ;)

Jax stepped up to the plate and did what it had to do to get the game, regardless of how others may feel about it. Detroit, Houston & Phoenix have done the same. I expect many nay-sayers will be impressed by what Jax has up its sleeves. If Charlotte or any other NFL city really wants the game, go for it. The worst they could say is no.

Texasboy, Detroit has a dome man. They offer an already-approved exception to outdoor temps - a dome.

Jax stepped up to the plate and did what it had to do to get the game, regardless of how others may feel about it. Detroit, Houston & Phoenix have done the same. I expect many nay-sayers will be impressed by what Jax has up its sleeves. If Charlotte or any other NFL city really wants the game, go for it. The worst they could say is no.

I am one that is optimistic about Jacksonville's Superbowl. The cities know what they have to do to pull it off and from what I understand Jax has done that. There is not reason why it shouldn't be a success.

I also think Charlotte could potentially be a good location. If they can risk a winter in Atlanta, they can risk one in Charlotte. But although I'm not really familiar with a lot of things about Charlotte, I know a certain amount of hotel rooms has to be available, so does anyone else know if it would have enough hotel space? Also, in Houston's case the close proximity of all of the facilities and the entertainment areas was a huge plus.

Other than Charlotte lacking in one of those areas, I really don't see why it shouldn't have a SuperBowl. Not unless they aren't interested.

Lakelander, are you going to Jax for the SuperBowl or any of the activities? I didn't attend the actual Superbowl last year but there were tons and tons and tons and tons of activities and parties, so I indulged a little and at least got some celebrity sightings out of it. If not, do you know anyone that is going?

Ok, sorry. Didn't know that was one of the requirements until I read the posted article.

I really dont think dallas will get the game until 2011 or 12. because you first have to be in your stadium at least 2 yrs. , but they were promised one by tag onced that happened. 2nd once New Orleans gets their stadium deal in place, they will be back in rotation, and paul tag stated that the only reason n.o. is not getting it in 09 is because of the long term deal otherwise there would be no contest.

atlanta wont win another one for a while because the nfl wasnt too impressed with the last one because of the ice storm a week before the game.

houston will have a good shot in 09, but i think that tampa will get it which will push houston probably pass 2012

Los Angeles will definitely get the game in at least 2011 or 12. hell they wish they could put it there now. they were actually looking to see if it would be feasible to put the sb in a non nfl city.

the regular rotation will more than likely remain the same
miami
san diego
new orleans
tampa
phoenix
l.a.

with others joining in every so often

sorry charlotte, its not looking good for you for the next 15-20 yrs, especially with the hotel room rule, no natural attraction, or nothing people can just familiarize with, although it would probably be a good loc.

Dallas WOULD be a good candidate for a superbowl, except it needs a new stadium, albiet one that is closer to all of the amenities. Sure, a rail connection would be great, but I dont think a 30 minute rail ride just to get lunch or to get to the game will be enjoyable by many.

Lakelander, are you going to Jax for the SuperBowl or any of the activities? I didn't attend the actual Superbowl last year but there were tons and tons and tons and tons of activities and parties, so I indulged a little and at least got some celebrity sightings out of it. If not, do you know anyone that is going?

I won't be attending the game, but I will be enjoying the festivites and free concerts in downtown, all next week. I may try to get out and take pics this weekend and this coming Friday. However, on Friday night, the camera stays home and I'll partying until its time to go back to work Monday morning.

no Nash? will there be other "wardrobe malfunctions?" :cheers1:

NASH NASH NASH.

screw that, have it in Bham...or hell, anywhere else in Alabama. you'll have record attendance.

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I really dont think dallas will get the game until 2011 or 12. because you first have to be in your stadium at least 2 yrs. , but they were promised one by tag onced that happened. 2nd once New Orleans gets their stadium deal in place, they will be back in rotation, and paul tag stated that the only reason n.o. is not getting it in 09 is because of the long term deal otherwise there would be no contest.
No, Dallas isn't getting a superbowl until they get a STADIUM (period). I believe they "officially" call the superbowl on where the stadium is located, and the new Cowboys stadium would be located in Arlington. If anything, they should call the superbowl Dallas/Fort Worth, I mean, since Tampa Bay's stadium isn't in Tampa and they're using Tampa Bay to describe the place the superbowl would be going.

Tampa Bay Bucs is the name of the team tho. So it would be in Dallas. And it would be in Carolina. But they would still use the name Charlotte too because that is the major city that the game would be played in.

I think Atlanta will get in 2009. It has been awhile since we had the Superbowl.

Texasboy, Detroit has a dome man. They offer an already-approved exception to outdoor temps - a dome.

Yeah, but what do you do in Detroit during the weekend??????????? Go watch some "drive B'ys'".??

No, Dallas isn't getting a superbowl until they get a STADIUM (period). I believe they "officially" call the superbowl on where the stadium is located, and the new Cowboys stadium would be located in Arlington. If anything, they should call the superbowl Dallas/Fort Worth, I mean, since Tampa Bay's stadium isn't in Tampa and they're using Tampa Bay to describe the place the superbowl would be going.


uhhh....please

its still dallas' team, and dallas is the most recognizable name in the metroplex. the people will stay in dallas, shop in dallas, party in dallas, tour dallas, etc. so dallas will reep the benefits much more than anyone else. probably about 60%, with about 15% going to Arlington.

when you say arlington, most people think you talking about the d.c. suburb.

^ agreed

Yeah, but what do you do in Detroit during the weekend??????????? Go watch some "drive B'ys'".??


that may be the same thing you do in atlanta, since they were right behind detroit in crime......


anyway, the nfl really didnt like the game in atlanta because of the weather (ice storm), and judging by this weekend some things dont change

Atlanta is not dangerous, people put themselves in dangerous situations.

Atlanta is not dangerous, people put themselves in dangerous situations.

Then that is the same for Detroit as well.

UpwardAtlanta, are you for fkn real?

fwsky, there's really no need to get so anal retentive by pointing out what's so obvious - his point was still all the same. DFW (or something similar) will likely be the title people see on Tostito's bags and Budweiser boxes if there ever is a Super Bowl in town. Oops, don't say town - uh, metro.

Is there a reason why San Francisco is not getting it?

No, Dallas isn't getting a superbowl until they get a STADIUM (period). I believe they "officially" call the superbowl on where the stadium is located, and the new Cowboys stadium would be located in Arlington. If anything, they should call the superbowl Dallas/Fort Worth, I mean, since Tampa Bay's stadium isn't in Tampa and they're using Tampa Bay to describe the place the superbowl would be going.

Tampa's Stadium is dead smack nearly in the middle of Tampa's city limits. Its just not downtown.

Is there a reason why San Francisco is not getting it?

They were suppose to get one a few years ago. But they had stadium problems and it didn't work out. I have heard that thing about Atlanta 's problem. I also have heard that they will be very hesistant for Miami because the stadium is so far away from the city.I think it will come down to Houston and Tampa.

*Sigh* I guess I've finally decided this forum is full of bullshit & ignorant assholes. Took a while, but I guess I came to my senses. Later. :)

^oh well, theres only one solution to that...........leave

I believe that Charlotte is ineligible due to weather restrictions.

People are dumping on Detroit an awful lot, but they're as capable of hosting a Super Bowl as any city is. The crime rate might be high but I doubt many tourists are going to be wandering around the neighborhoods that have boosted the rate so much. Downtown Detroit's as nice as any major city and it has some of the world's wealthiest suburbs.

The main thing not in Detroit's favor is going to be the cold freezing weather. Other than that, there's plenty of things to see and do in their downtown, as well as the metropolitan area and Windsor, Canada.

From the Houston Texans website

After the success of last year’s Super Bowl festivities in Houston, Texans owner Bob McNair is ready for round two.

Houston is one of four finalist cities that will be considered to host the 2009 Super Bowl game. Along with Miami, Atlanta and Tampa, Houston will submit a proposal a month before the NFL’s May meetings, at which time each city will make a formal presentation in front of the NFL owners.

The league expects to announce a winner at that time and Houston is already hard at work to make sure their name tops the list.

But McNair recognizes that the Space City’s competition is stacked. Tampa has hosted the Super Bowl three times (1984, 1991, 2001). Miami has had the sports spectacle eight times and is already named the site of the 2007 Super Bowl. And maybe the toughest competition will come from Atlanta who has already hosted twice in 1994 and 2000 and is moving full steam ahead for another bid.

“Some people are under the impression that it’s a foregone conclusion that we’re going to be selected in ’09 so the first thing I want to let you know is that we’re going to have to compete,” McNair explained. “It’s going to be a matter of which city wants it the most.”

While McNair believes that the Houston community aggressively welcomes the opportunity to host again, he knows cities like Atlanta are just as desirable.

“Atlanta is very serious about this competition and it goes beyond the value of the Super Bowl in the city of Atlanta in that the Falcons would like to improve their situation in reference to their lease at the Georgia Dome,” he said.

Ultimately, the decision lies in the hands of the owners who will collectively decide which city can provide the most attractive facilities, activities and climate.

McNair believes that Houston is right up there if not above the competition when it comes to accommodating the participating teams in addition to the hundreds of thousands of fans who flock to take part in the week’s activities.

“When they’re looking at the facilities, we’ve got the upper hand,” McNair said about Reliant Park and the surrounding sports complexes in the city. “We have world class facilities.”

Also included in Houston’s proposal will be hotel accomodations, restaurants, transportation, nightlife and leisure activities.

In 2004, Houston’s downtown hosted around 300,000 people on just Friday and Saturday nights alone prior to the big game. Houston was able to generate over $300 million for the community by hosting the event and McNair knows that the economic and global prosperity is invaluable.

“I think it really created a lot of positive energy on behalf of Houston,” McNair smiled. “Those of you that were here for the Super Bowl last year know what kind of energy was generated by virtue of it.

“It’s something that’s hard to describe and the positive reaction from all over the world was something we had not seen in Houston for a long time.”

Because of the number of new stadiums around the league with plans for construction under way, McNair knows this may be a very valuable window of opportunity for the city to host. Another chance may not come for some time.

“This is not a slam dunk,” he said about winning the bid. “If we lose this opportunity it could be several years before we’d be able to get the next one because we have the stadiums that are being built and hosting a Super Bowl could be a part of their approval for the stadium.”

McNair and the Houston Super Bowl Host Committee from 2004 are working feverishly with local and state community and hospitality officials to get a solid plan into place for the May NFL Meetings.

And he strongly believes that the city of Houston can put on an even bigger and better show in 2009.
“I would hope that what we could do is emphasize the value of a Super Bowl to the community and as we keep emphasizing that people will be energized and just as enthusiastic as they were before," McNair said. "It really invigorated the downtown area

uhhh....please

its still dallas' team, and dallas is the most recognizable name in the metroplex. the people will stay in dallas, shop in dallas, party in dallas, tour dallas, etc. so dallas will reep the benefits much more than anyone else. probably about 60%, with about 15% going to Arlington.

when you say arlington, most people think you talking about the d.c. suburb.
There not much to do in Dallas, its all about the burbs in the metroplex.

That is an obnoxiously false statement.

There not much to do in Dallas, its all about the burbs in the metroplex.


i dont know......i'd take dallas over houston anyday

I'd take Houston and Atlanta over Dallas any day. The problem with Atlanta getting the Superbowl again is because of what happened last time and the fact that Atlanta has not proven it can handle Icey weather at least in places like Detroit and Twin Cities, they have proven they can handle bad weather like that with the road work and transportation. Charolette has an even bigger problem, they are North of Atlanta and have no Dome Stadium. L.A wouldn't even be fisible, they couldn't get an NFL team to town when they were the front runners so getting the bowl wouldn't work without one. I believe that Houston will be in that rotation and will get it in 2009, hands down. Only way Houston doesn't get it is if a dome stadium is built in New York city by 2007. Houston is at the center of the Sportsworld which started with the Superbowl, all star for baseball and all-star foe basketball and the Final Four is coming.

There not much to do in Dallas, its all about the burbs in the metroplex.

What exactly is there to do in the metroplex burbs during the first week of Feb?
want to club? Dallas.
want to see nice museums or sites? Dallas or FW.
want to stay in the nicest hotels? Dallas.
I guess watersport(in Feb) are mostly in the burbs
want the best shopping? Dallas.
want fine arts/theater? Dallas.
want the best restaurants? Dallas.
2 best movie theaters in the metroplex? Dallas

what's left for someone travelling in Feb to do? go to closed Six Flags? Eat at Fuddruckers? Visit suburban malls?

I think that Detroit is a JOKE...

Why?

Not to be messy or anything, but just curious, why would they pick Charlotte?
What the hell do u mean' WHY CHARLOTTE'.....its a booming city and it has alot of the amenities that the nfl is looking for......and it is nromally right at or above the 50 degrees mark and it has enough of hotels and it has things to do....I don't get some of you people on here trying to bash the most propserous and up and coming big cities...But you will see!

I really dont think dallas will get the game until 2011 or 12. because you first have to be in your stadium at least 2 yrs. , but they were promised one by tag onced that happened. 2nd once New Orleans gets their stadium deal in place, they will be back in rotation, and paul tag stated that the only reason n.o. is not getting it in 09 is because of the long term deal otherwise there would be no contest.

atlanta wont win another one for a while because the nfl wasnt too impressed with the last one because of the ice storm a week before the game.

houston will have a good shot in 09, but i think that tampa will get it which will push houston probably pass 2012

Los Angeles will definitely get the game in at least 2011 or 12. hell they wish they could put it there now. they were actually looking to see if it would be feasible to put the sb in a non nfl city.

the regular rotation will more than likely remain the same
miami
san diego
new orleans
tampa
phoenix
l.a.

with others joining in every so often

sorry charlotte, its not looking good for you for the next 15-20 yrs, especially with the hotel room rule, no natural attraction, or nothing people can just familiarize with, although it would probably be a good loc.
Charlotte already has enough of hotel rooms they made that clear on the news, they didn't consider Charlotte at the time because of the weather which I think is actually good in the Charlotte area.What do you mean no attractions and things to do there are plenty things to do just like most cities that have the superbowl...What are you expecting to find in these cities that are hosting these events...lol......I don't get it

I'd take Houston and Atlanta over Dallas any day. The problem with Atlanta getting the Superbowl again is because of what happened last time and the fact that Atlanta has not proven it can handle Icey weather at least in places like Detroit and Twin Cities, they have proven they can handle bad weather like that with the road work and transportation. Charolette has an even bigger problem, they are North of Atlanta and have no Dome Stadium. L.A wouldn't even be fisible, they couldn't get an NFL team to town when they were the front runners so getting the bowl wouldn't work without one. I believe that Houston will be in that rotation and will get it in 2009, hands down. Only way Houston doesn't get it is if a dome stadium is built in New York city by 2007. Houston is at the center of the Sportsworld which started with the Superbowl, all star for baseball and all-star foe basketball and the Final Four is coming.
Again it's not whether your city has a dome or not....

What is this bickering about? ANY NFL team has & should have as much rights & possibility of hosting the Super Bowl.

This is the NFL we're talking about, it doesn't matter what level of culture any of these cities have, it's how much money they're willing to put up. The only other criteria would be hotel space.

^Who needs hotel rooms when you can bring in cruise ships? :nuts:

Charlotte's weather isn't really a problem, but its infrastructure is. There is no way the city could handle a Super Bowl at this phase. It's at least 5-10 years away from having even the minimal amount of hotel rooms and transit options necessary, and even then there isn't nearly enough downtown entertainment to justify 2 weeks of media presence. The only reason Jacksonville managed to pull it off was because of the ability to bring in cruise ships for entertainment and hotel space, otherwise their bid would've been DOA. Charlotte doesn't have the option to bring in ships, so it's really a no-go for now.

I'd say in 10-20 years the city will be ready to make a legit bid. Hopefully by that time the NFL will realize that it's not going to be significantly warmer in Atlanta than in Charlotte during the winter.

Houston is at the center of the Sportsworld which started with the Superbowl, all star for baseball and all-star foe basketball and the Final Four is coming.


You forgot the Smog Bowl. I would like it to go to Dallas or Atlanta, I find the air in Houston is just to hard to breathe.

Why would they pick Charlotte? Why the hell would they pick Jacksonville?

I think Jacksonville has an edge over Charlotte.
Yes, Charlotte might be a bigger Metro, but , honestly their is nothing to do there. I'm sorry.

Their is really not a thing to do in Charlotte. It is not a tourist city, a few tall building's does not a city make.

If anything, they should call the superbowl Dallas/Fort Worth, I mean, since Tampa Bay's stadium isn't in Tampa and they're using Tampa Bay to describe the place the superbowl would be going.



The Buc's stadium (both of them) has been in Tampa's city limits since the team was created.

"Tampa Bay" is a geographical reference, not a political one. What I mean by that is "Tampa Bay" is the body of water the metro grows around, whereas "Tampa" is the name of the city.



btw... I don't think the NFL would come back to Tampa any time soon. They were not happy with the small size of the stadium, nor were they happy with the horrific local traffic (because it's snowbird season, and because of Gasparilla), and transportation limitations of the site (nothing but cars and busses, no rail transit or walkability)...Now, if Tampa's stadium was DT, the city woudl probably host the SB every 7 years or so, like the other regular host cities.

I'd take Houston and Atlanta over Dallas any day. The problem with Atlanta getting the Superbowl again is because of what happened last time and the fact that Atlanta has not proven it can handle Icey weather at least in places like Detroit and Twin Cities, they have proven they can handle bad weather like that with the road work and transportation. Charolette has an even bigger problem, they are North of Atlanta and have no Dome Stadium. L.A wouldn't even be fisible, they couldn't get an NFL team to town when they were the front runners so getting the bowl wouldn't work without one. I believe that Houston will be in that rotation and will get it in 2009, hands down. Only way Houston doesn't get it is if a dome stadium is built in New York city by 2007. Houston is at the center of the Sportsworld which started with the Superbowl, all star for baseball and all-star foe basketball and the Final Four is coming.

I didn't know Houston was the center of the Sports World too! :cheers:

You forgot the Smog Bowl. I would like it to go to Dallas or Atlanta, I find the air in Houston is just to hard to breathe.

oh please..every city has its faults...

The Buc's stadium (both of them) has been in Tampa's city limits since the team was created.

"Tampa Bay" is a geographical reference, not a political one. What I mean by that is "Tampa Bay" is the body of water the metro grows around, whereas "Tampa" is the name of the city.



btw... I don't think the NFL would come back to Tampa any time soon. They were not happy with the small size of the stadium, nor were they happy with the horrific local traffic (because it's snowbird season, and because of Gasparilla), and transportation limitations of the site (nothing but cars and busses, no rail transit or walkability)...Now, if Tampa's stadium was DT, the city woudl probably host the SB every 7 years or so, like the other regular host cities.


miami has no real trnsport to the stadium and traffic is always terrible but yet were a reg.

I think Jacksonville has an edge over Charlotte.
Yes, Charlotte might be a bigger Metro, but , honestly their is nothing to do there. I'm sorry.

Are you saying there's more to do in Jacksonville than Charlotte? Come on... I'm willing to admit that Charlotte has faults, but I think it's safe to say Jacksonville is a MUCH less entertaining city.

^I don't think so, I live in Jax and have visited Charlotte. I'm one of the people on this forum who believes that Charlotte is still on the same level as the Jax's, Nashville's & Louisville's of the South. Bascially, a notch below the Miami's, Atlanta's & Tampa's of the region. I'd say, outside of banking and total number of Fortune 500 companies, Jax stacks up very well against Charlotte and exceeds it in certain areas, such as urban density, diversity and number of distinct urban environments.

^^^ I agree and add Nashville into the mix...it is comparable residents arent EVERYTHING ... Charlotte is a nice city, but you get what I am sayin.

^I don't think so, I live in Jax and have visited Charlotte. I'm one of the people on this forum who believes that Charlotte is still on the same level as the Jax's, Nashville's & Louisville's of the South.

I'd totally agree with that. No doubt that Charlotte is still a good long distance behind Miami or Atlanta, and comparable to Nashville or Louisville. I was only taking issue with the assertion that Jacksonville is somehow significantly ahead of Charlotte in terms of entertainment. That's just not a true statement at all.

Are you saying there's more to do in Jacksonville than Charlotte? Come on... I'm willing to admit that Charlotte has faults, but I think it's safe to say Jacksonville is a MUCH less entertaining city.

Please enlighten me on waht to do in Charlotte?

People that travel to the Superbowl have one thing on their mind, and that is to PARTY.
I have been to Charlotte at least 100 times in my life, and it just does not have a real "district" for party goers.

Please enlighten me on waht to do in Charlotte?

People that travel to the Superbowl have one thing on their mind, and that is to PARTY.
I have been to Charlotte at least 100 times in my life, and it just does not have a real "district" for party goers.

And one other note, If and a big IF. If, Charlotte ever was awarded the game, it would get so slammed by writers all over the country,
that bashers on this thread, would look like "Mary Poppins".
Look what they did to Jacksonville.
And, then you Charlotteans would have to go on Xanax you would be so upset. Charlotte is just a very sterile city. Like I said, it has a few pretty buildings, but not a whole lot of soul.

Personally, I think Charlotte would be alright. Any city of decent size can handle the super bowl. Yes, Jax got bashed pretty hard, before the media had even stepped foot in town. Some guys even claimed the city still smelled from the paper mill, even though the mill shut down, nearly 10 years ago. So naturally, by the end of the week, most were singing a different tune, as they found out Jax offered more then their original expectations. BTW, Atlanta, Houston, Tampa, Miami & even New Orleans have been bashed, as welll, by visiting media, during Super Bowl week.

oh please..every city has its faults...


True however most cities faults don’t make me nauseous by just breathing. The air in Houston is just so full of stuff I can never enjoy myself there unless I am in one of it’s suburbs 20-30 miles out, even then it takes effort to ignore my sore lungs.

^I don't think so, I live in Jax and have visited Charlotte. I'm one of the people on this forum who believes that Charlotte is still on the same level as the Jax's, Nashville's & Louisville's of the South. Bascially, a notch below the Miami's, Atlanta's & Tampa's of the region. I'd say, outside of banking and total number of Fortune 500 companies, Jax stacks up very well against Charlotte and exceeds it in certain areas, such as urban density, diversity and number of distinct urban environments.


Well said... I love Jacksonville, the only thing it is lacking is a few large corporate HQ's like Charlotte. Other than that, it's a beautiful city with an awesome location on the river, and it has plenty to do for its size, like the beach!

Again it's not whether your city has a dome or not....

Yes it does, Name me one city North of the Mason-dixon line and East of California that did not have a covered stadium and hosted a superbowl. If your statement was true then Greenbay (title town (GreenBay) would be in the rotation as would Cleveland and East Rutherford NJ). The reason why is that the weather will have to much affect on the game. Heck you don't even have to go that far north. Try anything North of of the I-20/ I-40 corridor.

Yes it does, Name me one city North of the Mason-dixon line and East of California that did not have a covered stadium and hosted a superbowl. If your statement was true then Greenbay (title town (GreenBay) would be in the rotation as would Cleveland and East Rutherford NJ). The reason why is that the weather will have to much affect on the game. Heck you don't even have to go that far north. Try anything North of of the I-20/ I-40 corridor.


So if Atlanta holds another Super Bowl we should build our stadium on the Southside (south of I-20) of town so it will be warmer? :)

True however most cities faults don’t make me nauseous by just breathing. The air in Houston is just so full of stuff I can never enjoy myself there unless I am in one of it’s suburbs 20-30 miles out, even then it takes effort to ignore my sore lungs.

Well, when the Superbowl returns to Houston, I think it goes without saying that you won't be here.

It's a good thing most people don't have your lungs Mr. Austin, otherwise Houston and Los Angeles would be empty places and would NEVER host Superbowls.

Please enlighten me on waht to do in Charlotte?

What do you want to do?

People that travel to the Superbowl have one thing on their mind, and that is to PARTY.
I have been to Charlotte at least 100 times in my life, and it just does not have a real "district" for party goers.

Neither does Jacksonville, to any larger an extent than Charlotte does. Both cities have clubs and restaurants scattered across town. Both cities have less to do than other SB hosts like Houston, New Orleans, Tampa or Miami. The only big difference is Jacksonville's beach scene, which isn't exactly what people have in mind when they think "party time". Like I said below, if it weren't for the cruise ships there's no way the city would have ever gotten the SB to begin with.

I'm not promoting Charlotte or bashing Jax, just pointing out the false assertion that the former is inferior to the latter in terms of nightlife.

Would Charlotte get bashed if it held the Super Bowl? Absolutely. So does nearly every other venue that tries it. As I've said before, Charlotte is at least 10-15 years away from having the infrastructure and infill necessary for an event of that size. At the very lest there will need to be more uptown growth and a completed rail system.

^Agreed...

And, then you Charlotteans would have to go on Xanax you would be so upset. Charlotte is just a very sterile city. Like I said, it has a few pretty buildings, but not a whole lot of soul.

The only person here who needs "Xanax" is you pal--to help you deal with the fear you have of little ol' Charlotte.

If Charlotte were to host a superbowl, I'm certain that Charlotte would receive far fewer derogatory southern jokes than Atlanta did during the 1996 Olympics. How does that make you feel? :lol:

The only person here who needs "Xanax" is you pal--to help you deal with the fear you have of little ol' Charlotte.

If Charlotte were to host a superbowl, I'm certain that Charlotte would receive far fewer derogatory southern jokes than Atlanta did during the 1996 Olympics. How does that make you feel? :lol:


Sure, But we had the Olympics, you did not. How does that make you feel? :cheers:

And you have got to be kidding about the Southern jokes. Are you that naive that Charlotte would receive fewer, PLEASE.
You are smack dab in the middle of Bible thumpin, nascar racin, tobacco road country.

I am not afraid of Charlotte either. I just think it is hugely overblown for what it is, or in this case, is not. She has a long way to go.

I am not saying Atlanta does not have problems, yes it, we, do.
But, it is light year's ahead of Charlotte.

http://images.ibsys.com/atl/images/weather/auto/towercam1_640x480.jpg

Considering the last time Atlanta hosted the Super Bowl - we were living on Peachtree St in a second floor apartment: the traffic & noise from the 'cruising' kept us awake from midnight to 5 AM. Then we wake up to hear of the murders that took place in Buckhead, so.... I think I'd prefer not to have another Super Bowl.

But I'm an anti-pro sports snob anyways :)


Actually - we should do what the Patriots have done - build the stadium far out of the city, maybe Griffin near the racecar track. Then in case of Super Bowl - just hire Hooters to throw a party in a warehouse. Afterwards everyone can cruise up & down Dixie Highway.

True however most cities faults don’t make me nauseous by just breathing. The air in Houston is just so full of stuff I can never enjoy myself there unless I am in one of it’s suburbs 20-30 miles out, even then it takes effort to ignore my sore lungs.

You must have some pretty weak lungs. I was at the Super Bowl in Houston and we could breathe just fine. The air was great, the temps were nice and we had a ball.

This is fabulous! I'm making fun of you and teasing you, and you're too naive to get it.

And you have got to be kidding about the Southern jokes.

No I'm serious. Remember all the jokes regarding the simple minded folk in Georgia? With each of your hate filled and poorly punctuated posts you exemplify the jokes. All people need is to observe behavior portrayed in a joke, and they will believe the joke is inspired by truth. Thus, you make all southerners (or at least those in Georgia) look bad. I really wish you would stop. Have you lost self control? Can you just stick to topics you know and shut up otherwise?


I am not afraid of Charlotte either. I just think it is hugely overblown for what it is, or in this case, is not.

Oh yes you are. You are terrified. Just the fact that you have to reiterate things like "She has a long way to go"--statements repeatedly made by Charlotteans proves that Charlotte intimidates you and you lack the mental facility to deal with it. I'm sure all the weed you smoke hasn't helped your situation. There is nothing to be anxious about. Charlotte is hours away from you and its influence has no bearing on Atlanta or vice versa. Freakin get over it!


I am not saying Atlanta does not have problems, yes it, we, do.
But, it is light year's ahead of Charlotte.

Don't lie. You have never said Atlanta does not have problems. And though you are using "light year" in the wrong context and using as apostrophe incorrectly (as usual), you are correct--Atlanta's problems are much more advanced than Charlotte's. :D

You, my son, are truly disturbed not me.
Everyone on this board mispells a word, or does not punctuate here and there.
Are you the intellectual guru for North Carolina?
Oh, no, NC does not have any backward thinking people at all. I forgot. It is the center of the Universe.

whoa the hatred!!!!!
hey i hatebirds upward said charlotte sucks!

hey upward i hatebirds said yo mama ugly!

hahha

whoa the hatred!!!!!
hey i hatebirds upward said charlotte sucks!

hey upward i hatebirds said yo mama ugly!

hahha


That is an intelligent response. Thanks.

You, my son, are truly disturbed not me.
Everyone on this board mispells a word, or does not punctuate here and there.
Are you the intellectual guru for North Carolina?
Oh, no, NC does not have any backward thinking people at all. I forgot. It is the center of the Universe.


Holy shit. What the hell are you babbling about? I sincerely hope you got more than ^that out of my message. I can't believe Jimmy Carter and you are from the same state. Like I've said before, Georgia is perhaps the most extreme state in the country, and this proves it.

Too often people seem to equate the state to the primary city - Atlanta & Georgia don't mix. Georgia is solidly among the core southern mafia states, with Alabama & Mississippi. Of course, any other state touching them gets the conservative cooties too - Florida, SC, Tennessee, & Louisiana.

Being from SC, I'll openly admit the envy I had for NC - the state by far isn't the most progressive in the country but it certainly is in the south. But NC touches VA, which is still a conservative state but is more moderate, but that state is just south of the northeast / mid atlantic liberally influenced core of the country - so my cootie theory still holds true :)

Virginia rocks, what can I say? :)

Too often people seem to equate the state to the primary city - Atlanta & Georgia don't mix. Georgia is solidly among the core southern mafia states, with Alabama & Mississippi. Of course, any other state touching them gets the conservative cooties too - Florida, SC, Tennessee, & Louisiana.

Being from SC, I'll openly admit the envy I had for NC - the state by far isn't the most progressive in the country but it certainly is in the south. But NC touches VA, which is still a conservative state but is more moderate, but that state is just south of the northeast / mid atlantic liberally influenced core of the country - so my cootie theory still holds true :)

But Georgia touches NC, too... so does its conservative dominance make NC more conservative or does NC make Georgia more progressive? And what happens if Charlotte and Atlanta eventually connect, then what are we going to call them? Charlanta or Atlarlotte?

North Carolina touches Virginia, so that more than balances it out.

You all are all fucked up--especially you.

IHateBirds...WTF
You are just fucking crazy...Go to Hell. You think you are so above it all.

FYI, I was born in Sweden, I am not the best at the English language.---You are more insulting than anyone on this board. You should be ashamed . Who the fuck do you think you are?
North Carolina is TOBACCO ROAD........it is a fucking backward state--JESSE HELMS RING A BELL.
YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A FREAKING LOTTERY.....SC DOES, VA DOES, TN DOES, AND OF COURSE GA DOES AS WELL. SO it seems like NC is a desert of some sore of extreme conservatism.???????????????????????The state is hemmed in by a bunch of tobacco chewing bigots in Raleigh.

OMG. What is going on in this subforum? I leave and discuss on the US forum, then I come back over here and every one is still slanging fist. lol. .........and over nothing might I add.

That whole post is sooo backwards.


:)

Virginia rocks, what can I say? :)
Yeah,
What does it Rock?

If it did not have the proximity to DC, it would be nothing and you know it. Richmond is nice, Charlottesvile is nice, The Tidewater is great.

If not for those, it would be East Virginia.....

where are the moderators when you need them?

Thank you, that explains everything Upward......everything.

they should have it somewhere cold..i want to see a ball busting cold blood sweet and tears superbowl next year.

Upward, I thought you were born in Wisconsin. I clearly remember the post in which you claimed that, and how glad you were that you now lived in Georgia. Now you're from Sweden?

Your ignorance is actually beginning to offend me. I really think you should just keep it to yourself. Go smoke a bowl, again.

Yeah,
What does it Rock?

If it did not have the proximity to DC, it would be nothing and you know it. Richmond is nice, Charlottesvile is nice, The Tidewater is great.

If not for those, it would be East Virginia.....

Virginia rocks because no one from there has posted pics of their mom. (old SSP forumers will get that joke).

OK, like Georgia would be able to offer anything if it didn't have Atlanta.

whoa i think i'll go back to the florida forum and leave all you southerners to duke it out......

Yeah,
What does it Rock?

If it did not have the proximity to DC, it would be nothing and you know it. Richmond is nice, Charlottesvile is nice, The Tidewater is great.

If not for those, it would be East Virginia.....

That's true - because besides Atlanta & Savannah, Georgia has the powerhouse megalopolises of Columbus, Augusta, Macon, & Albany! :)

Not to be messy or anything, but just curious, why would they pick Charlotte?
Actually, I think that Charlotte would be a great choice. I just returned from Jax an hour ago. Downtown Jax does not even come close to Charlotte for safe activity, entertainment and/or hotel rooms available. Houston is a big city with a pretty much dead downtown. Tampa is always a good choice, but Charlotte is probably second. Charlotte is much more accessable to the large northeastern cities and has a population of 6 million within 100 miles. Charlotte is a great choice. Only someone who hasn't been to Charlotte wouldn't agree.

whoa i think i'll go back to the florida forum and leave all you southerners to duke it out......



If you live in Florida, you are Southern.

If you live in Florida, you are Southern.


JRQ we don't consider ourselves "Southerners"...perhaps geograhically that may be the case but we do not have any ties to southern culture especially here in southeastern Florida.
We are not southerners.

Charlotte would be a great place to host a Super Bowl, say 5 years down the road. We lack the downtown hotel accomidations right now (and we don't have a waterway to bring in Cruise ships :) ) The 5 year gap would also give the downtown area time to grow tremendiously.

The thing that will ultimately keep the NFL from bringing the Super Bowl to Charlotte would be our so called "harsher" environment. The only significant difference between the climates of CLT and JAX. is that CLT has a greater chance of being VERY cold in early Feb.

JAX got very lucky this year, they had a very real chance of blowing the Super Bowl. If any of you watched TV earlier in the week with reports from JAX, you probrably saw the reporters freezing their asses off in the low 30 degree nights, in the rain.

If you live in Florida, you are Southern.


we might be located in the south,but were nowhere close to being southerners

If you live in Florida, you are Southern.

:)

bro if someone called me a southerner i would consider it an insult.

Houston is a big city with a pretty much dead downtown.
True. But it wasn't dead during superbowl weekend. In fact it was very active down there.

JRQ we don't consider ourselves "Southerners"...perhaps geograhically that may be the case but we do not have any ties to southern culture especially here in southeastern Florida.
We are not southerners.

amazing. that's how people in Texas thinks. Probably a good reason why people say Texas and Florida are not southern states.

True. But it wasn't dead during superbowl weekend. In fact it was very active down there.


Thankyou, and the nightlife on the weekends are still packed.

For Superbowl pics, click here.

http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/rayhomepage/rants/feb2004.html

bro if someone called me a southerner i would consider it an insult.

Southerner.

Lol :)

If Texas isn't Southern, then its part of Mexico.

This thread is awesome! Keep it up! :bash:

This drama started when Upwardatlanta decided to be ugly (again). It is always the same story, over and over again. I suppose that someone of such low demonstrated intelligence is simply unable to learn that ugly comments result in ugly responses.

This drama started when Upwardatlanta decided to be ugly (again). It is always the same story, over and over again. I suppose that someone of such low demonstrated intelligence is simply unable to learn that ugly comments result in ugly responses.

How the hell can you make such a response. You do not know me, as I do not know you.

You, are the one that is a bittler old queen with no life in "Nawth Carlina"

True. But it wasn't dead during superbowl weekend. In fact it was very active down there.

So, true. Having a Manhattan-like bustling downtown is really not needed for a city to host a Super Bowl. For example, Miami, Atlanta & Tampa downtowns aren't exactely 24/7 type of urban places. Heck, Miami's & Tampa's stadiums aren't even located in their downtowns. However, when 100,000 visitors pop in to town, that's more then enough to make any street scene come alive...for a week or two.

Lol :)

If Texas isn't Southern, then its part of Mexico.

Yes and we all have heard that Texas is nothing but north mexico in a desert and Florida is nothing but North Cuba in a swamp :)

lol yall im just playing around now right

How the hell can you make such a response. You do not know me, as I do not know you.

You, are the one that is a bittler old queen with no life in "Nawth Carlina"

Since you are completely unable to figure this out on your own, I will give you instruction. If you wish to prove me wrong, you should endeavor to provide only useful and informed input in a discussion from now on. Cut out the insults, the condescending remarks, and stop with the competitive horse shit.

You are obviously one of those people who can dish it out yet you just can't take it. An intelligent person would solve the problem by no longer "dishing it out". Perhaps you should try that?

You went through a brief period recently where your responses actually contributed something of value to the conversation at hand--and I actually supported you during that time. Why did it have to be so short lived?

Just stop it, no one wants to read this crap.

looks like we have a winner................................




Atlanta Super Bowl bid almost a done deal

By KEN SUGIURA
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 04/28/05
Atlanta's bid for the 2009 Super Bowl is literally in the mail.

The city's proposal for the NFL title game, due on Monday, is highlighted by the stadium's proximity to multiple event venues and the proposed $150 million renovation to the Georgia Dome.

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Officials with two NFL franchises said Atlanta's chances are very good.

Plans for landing Atlanta's third Super Bowl, compiled by a separate bid committee, are being sent out today to the NFL's 32 owners and league staff.

Among the highlights in Atlanta's competition with Houston, Tampa and south Florida for Super Bowl 43:

- The proximity of multiple event venues close to the dome, including Philips Arena, the Georgia World Congress Center, the World of Coke and the under-construction Georgia Aquarium;

- The proposed $150 million renovation to the Georgia Dome;

- A unique option for one of the Super Bowl teams to train and and stay at the Falcons' complex in Flowery Branch, where dormitories are near completion;

- Ease of travel to and within Atlanta via Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport and MARTA.

"Atlanta's got some unique wrinkles to their presentation," NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue said last week at an owners meeting in Atlanta. "I think it's going to be a very competitive thing."

While the awarding of Super Bowls can be unpredictable - Tampa was a heavy favorite to land the 2000 game before Atlanta won in an upset - many consider the competition for the 2009 game to be between Houston, which hosted in 2004, and Atlanta. The NFL's 32 owners will put it to vote May 25 at a league meeting in Washington.

Should the choice fall to those two cities, said Baltimore Ravens owner Steven Bisciotti, "There's nothing overwhelming about Houston that's going to make them an overwhelming favorite to Atlanta, as far as I'm concerned."

"Every city has its positives and negatives," said John Mara, executive vice president of the New York Giants. "I'll be honest with you, I don't see a lot of negatives to Atlanta."

Ultimately, though, the site of the game could be determined by the clout of Falcons owner Arthur Blank and his colleagues.

"It comes down to the owners doing the lobbying inside the room," said San Diego Chargers executive vice president Jim Steeg, who oversaw the last 26 Super Bowls for the NFL before taking his current job. "The owner is absolutely the key."

Bisciotti sees it similarly.

"To a degree, I guess you could say popularity, the popularity of the city and owner," he said. "And Art's a popular guy."

The Atlanta committee is counting on Blank to lobby the league's owners.

"I don't know that anybody can compete with what the dome is going to look like in 2008 and 2009," Atlanta Sports Council president Gary Stokan said.

Atlanta's proposal suggests that the dome will be renovated by the 2009 Super Bowl, with increases in suites and club seats, improved concourses around the facility, and upgrades to scoreboards and video screens among other changes to a building that opened in 1992. But those renovations are not guaranteed.

Discussions about proposed upgrades are ongoing between Blank, who's offered to fund up to the $150 million, and members of the Georgia World Congress Center Authority, which oversees the dome.

In mid-March, Blank made public his renovation proposal. He said he's willing to pay for upgrades if satisfactory changes can be made to the team's lease agreement with the state-owned dome to increase the team's stadium revenue.

Kim Shreckengost, bid committee member and executive vice president of the AMB Group, the Falcons' parent, said Blank and Falcons officials plan to meet in a few weeks with Gov. Sonny Perdue, "to go through with him where we think we're headed with the improvements we outlined, and essentially to get his support in moving forward. We're asking for the governor's advice."

In recent years, the NFL has awarded Super Bowls to cities with new stadiums - Tampa, Houston, Detroit, Phoenix and, conditional upon the stadiums' completion, New York and Dallas.

"I think with the dome enhancements, we will, to some degree, have a new facility," Stokan said of the dome.

According to Stokan, there are about 14,000 hotel rooms downtown and 45,000 within an hour's drive. That will be pushed, according to Shreckengost.

"I think the biggest advantage that Atlanta has is the physical proximity of the facilities," she said. "To my knowledge, none of the other cities can offer [that much] event space within walking distance of each other."

A unique element of the bid is its offer to house one of the Super Bowl teams at the Falcons' Flowery Branch complex. The team is completing four dormitories, scheduled to open for the start of training camp in July, will house about 150 people next to its practice fields. While separated from downtown Atlanta by about 45 miles, the Super Bowl team's operations could be self-contained.

The other team would practice at Georgia Tech and could stay at the nearby Georgia Tech Hotel and Conference Center.

According to Greater New Orleans Sports Foundation president Jay Cicero, whose city has hosted nine Super Bowls, the bid documents answer a myriad of questions.

Among them, he said, were the number, location and quality of hotel rooms, the amount of space available for the NFL Experience fan attraction, possible sites for other special events, plans to decorate the city and the stadium and proposals for fundraising. Bid teams are even asked how many tour buses will be available to ferry fans and sponsors around the city.

And, "if you don't have enough buses there, how do you plan on getting more?" Cicero said.

Weather, the pox upon the 2000 Super Bowl in Atlanta, is also addressed. Stokan hopes the owners see the ice storm and cold snap that chilled Atlanta during Super Bowl week, causing traffic, train and airport delays and keeping fans in their hotels, as an anomaly.

Most owners likely haven't forgotten, though.

Asked what he remembered about the last Super Bowl in Atlanta, Chicago Bears chairman Michael McCaskey answered, "The weather. I remember I nearly slipped on that black ice. That was a problem."

Oh lets' get real people, it's all about the NFL wanting the Georgia Dome renovated. Nothing more and nothing less, just like Houston getting the Superbowl because of Reliant Park. All of this technical crap about teams hotels being close by, is just cheese. When Houston hosted the game, it was practically perfection. The only complaint was the Charlotte Team's hotel was in Greenspoint, but that was a choice the Superbowl Committee made. They simply should have chosen a hotel cloer in.

I've hoped Houston would get it once again, but I think because of the renovation situation, we have all known Atlanta was more than likely the city to get it. Oh well.