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This is an ugly building to host some of the marvels of global and eternal architecture and art.

I hate its idiotic form (and this silly angle) that has nothing to do with the ancient greek concept
about beauty!

At least it could have been a modern building but this thing is just a concept of some
decades ago.

It is a disgrace.

You know george, I really would like you to put the poll up - I am really curious of the general concensus of many Europeans regarding the issue - I really only know the opinions of the Greek side and the British Museums side. I would poll it mself, just that I don't know how....

well this isnt that dificult but than where I sould place it in the main site or here you know as for here I dont thing we will get enough votes

I welcome ANY progress of the New Acropolis Museum which is bound to be among the best in the world (the National Archaelogical Museum already is, although it has some SERIOUS work to do with its branding / marketing ).

There is currently an exhibition in the Makriyiannis building, right ? (correct me if Im wrong).

It is going to be a GEM and Im so looking forward.

And of course needless to say that the Parthenon restoration project is growing strong with countless TRULY DEDICATED people who work wonders and whose job is not in the public spotlight, plus they get very little moneywise.

However, a personal favourite is the Museum of Cycladic Art ! Small but Magnificent. Breathtaking collection of Hellenic (Greek and Cypriot ) idols, superbly presented and organised. A well hidden secret in the capital (not so much of a secret, really). and currently in the spotlight with the loan of the famous "Lady of Auxerre" from the Louvre

However yet again, it deserves a much much much better gifts shop (Marketing people !).

But what a wonderful atrium and an adequate website ! Well done !

PS - Especially for the Cypriot collection, on the top floor of the museum :

" It is the second largest private collection of Cypriot Antiquities in the world after that of the Metropolitan Museum of New York and the most comprehensive in Greece. Following an agreement between the Museum of Cycladic Art and the collector, and by kind permission of the Republic of Cyprus, the collection will remain in Athens for a period of 25 years."

For an intro please refer to :

http://www.cycladic-m.gr/

well this isnt that dificult but than where I sould place it in the main site or here you know as for here I dont thing we will get enough votes

Put it in the DML forum, but perhaps you should put a little msg saying that no need to hear everyones arguements - just a yes or no - should they be given back... I really can't be bothered dealing with the stupid arguement that some stupid Brits give - they were leagally aquired, their removal protected them... bla bla bla

...Overall an excellent thread and now that you reminded me, it is a pity that I haven't been on site since last summer to see the progress of the works there in person...

With regard to the marbles, the Brits say it's going to create a precedent for other antiquities to leave their hosting museums and thus, most of the world's museums may be stripped off their most valuable exhibits etc. etc.

I wouldn't be that contemptuous against the Brits and would certainly try to counter their arguments with facts. Actually, what constitutes a "property" of a museum and what a "legal possession"? Were they given to them by the then government of the state or by a local governor? Is ANY private party allowed to take artefacts from a site now constituting world heritage and is protected by UNESCO and other international organisations. Is acceptance of these artefacts legitimate by the British Museum since these have not been given to them by any state authority but by a private party under these circumstances?

The issue is not that simple. Certainly though, with the completion of this museum, all arguments about Greeks not having the capacity or the proper location to store them will become obsolete. However, the legal status and overall, the legal precedent that a return of these marbles to their native ground would create (let alone the relevant issues of prestige of the British Museum as an institution that will be risen) will constitute a serious deterrent for even any honest consideration of the issues involved here on the part of the Brits...

Some recent images depicting the progress of the construction


http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/l_nma_1.jpg

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/l_nma_2.jpg

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/l_nma_3.jpg


You can find 'em here (http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/g21514.html)

there's also a virtual tour here (http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/virtualtour.mov)


enjoy!

"Testing" the future exhibition
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/Weiler.jpg

Some views of the parthenon gallery.

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/photo_4.jpg

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/photo_2.jpg

For more news and facts concerning the project look here (http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/e21505.html)

Thanks,Lucretius.Though many dislike Tchumi's design,still the new Acropolis museum is a dream coming true

Thanks,Lucretius.Though many dislike Tchumi's design,still the new Acropolis museum is a dream coming true
Για σου και καλός ήρθες …
Και συμφωνώ απόλυτα με αυτά που λες δεν χρειάζεται να προσθέσουμε εδώ κάτι

Λουκρετιε σε Ευχαριστώ, για της προσθετές πληροφορίες που μας έδωσες για αυτό το σημαντικό έργο

really thanks for your contribution on additional information regards the Museum :cheers:

Another view of the Parthenon Gallery

http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21502/00/Maketa.jpg

Finally….I managed today to go to the Construction Site of the New Acropolis Museum. And I made some photos... I will try to comment if possible each of it
As for the Start when I left the Beautiful Acropolis Metro Station I was asked if I would like to See the exhibition of the artifacts of the acropolis regards the new acropolis Museum (no charge of the Entry made there some photos as well) it is an Exhibition regards the light that will display the marbles statues….lets say a test regards the displaying of the Marbles…. Very professional I have to admit it they answered me every question even regards the surrounding area
The good news are that it will be end of next year finished
Anyway let’s start…. And if you have any question please feel free to address it I will try to answer it as good as possible

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394464/0/IMG_0017.jpg
entrance to the contrstuction site and to the test exhibition center
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394463/0/IMG_0016.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394462/0/IMG_0015.jpg

on the picture below I took the construction site from an angle to see the surrounding area as well because when I asked the responsible what will happen to that a
old well...sh****t there... he answered me that this old Buildings will be removed when he said that my heart was beating higher and I strarted smilling.... to that I did answer finaly someone who has the b****ls to do the right thing.... :)
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394454/0/IMG_0005.jpg

here on the right side they started already demolishing this houses :)

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394460/0/IMG_0013.jpg
and here again the other ones (so far as I know there are living immigrands and they will be placed somewhere else)
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394459/0/IMG_0011.jpg
and now again lets focus on the progress actually it is difficult because they found below archeological artefacts as well and it will be exhibited as well so they had to be very carefull and had to cover the earth with stones and (small stones) to protect it
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394458/0/IMG_0010.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394457/0/IMG_0009.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394472/0/IMG_0039.jpg
the progress its already visible but again I thing that is the most difficult part because as soon that is done the rest shuld be easier to manage
now lets go to the exhibition
below you can see again how it will look like when it is finished you can even notice about the surrounding area
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394455/0/IMG_0007.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394456/0/IMG_0008.jpg
and know lets see how it is the test exhibition regards the light aproach looks like... I have to admit that I was supprised on that what you can do if you play whith the light... here some pictures it is not clear it will be exhibited like that but could be close to it they are still testing.. even on the labels most likely it will be not conventionall labeled the marbles but.... with light....on the floor....amazing
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394467/0/IMG_0029.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394468/0/IMG_0030.jpg
as for the artefacts well can you believe it that a lot of tham they where in storage rooms because the old museum was simply to small but with the new one they can exhibit everything....
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394471/0/IMG_0035.jpg
and here again you can see when you play around with the light....
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394470/0/IMG_0032.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394469/0/IMG_0031.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394466/0/IMG_0028.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394465/0/IMG_0027.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis/32977/394468/0/IMG_0030.jpg

Mpravo re George!!!

YOU DID A GREAT JOB!!!


I am so happy to see that those crappy buildings around will be demolished.... :) Hopefully they put some green like in the images.

Good things are happening all the time. Slowly slowly it will get better.... at first, I did not like the designs to much but it has grown on me. I am getting excited to see it now!! But as we know, everywhere you dig in Athens you hit artifacts so it will take a while. ;)

Mpravo re George!!!

YOU DID A GREAT JOB!!!


I am so happy to see that those crappy buildings around will be demolished.... :) Hopefully they put some green like in the images.

Good things are happening all the time. Slowly slowly it will get better.... at first, I did not like the designs to much but it has grown on me. I am getting excited to see it now!! But as we know, everywhere you dig in Athens you hit artifacts so it will take a while. ;)
thanks my friend I try to do my best as much as my time allows it... I will try to keep you guys here informed as much as possible..(especialy that I have my new cam? :D
and hell yeah it is really great that this old buildings will be removed hopefully more from them with the time...
but I have to say that even know if you go to the centre you notice the changes that are made and they are still working
now imagine when the whole project is finished it will be the biggest archeological park in Europe :cheers:
and as for the Museum I was the same like you but when I did see who it will play with all the daylight and some other things I am more than excited to see it finished

thanks my friend I try to do my best as much as my time allows it... I will try to keep you guys here informed as much as possible..(especialy that I have my new cam? :D
and hell yeah it is really great that this old buildings will be removed hopefully more from them with the time...
but I have to say that even know if you go to the centre you notice the changes that are made and they are still working
now imagine when the whole project is finished it will be the biggest archeological park in Europe :cheers:
and as for the Museum I was the same like you but when I did see who it will play with all the daylight and some other things I am more than excited to see it finished


Holy shit George!!!

You outdid yourself!!! Excellent work! From now on I will call you our 2nd official reporter in Greece (gm being the first :) )

I cant wait to see more pics!

Bravo file! :cheers:

Xilia bravo george ! WOW !

Excellent photos, excellent work ! Ayto den einai thread, ayto einai live REPORTAGE !

Well done and many thanks for the amazing photos and the PROMISING plans you are reporting straight from the source !

thanks guys all of you for your words I will just show athens from a different light as I thing deserves better then its reputation and slowly but is changing :)

and of course next month (the end of april) will be there onside as well and see the progress

WOW :eek:, congratulations to Athens for this museum is a real source of art!!

WOW :eek:, congratulations to Athens for this museum is a real source of art!!
thanks arpels
yes indeed it is an masterpiece


just wanna bring this thread up as I thing every greek will agree that the importance of this is set to high (at least to me )

I thik so too, is a good idea update the information of this importante museum.

The works around the site of the new museum continue.As reported by Kathimerini..."a bulldozer yesterday demolished buildings expropriated by the state on the central Athens plot destined to host the new Acropolis Museum. The museum — where Greece hopes to eventually exhibit the Elgin Collection of sculptures from the Parthenon, should the British Museum ever agree to return the fifth-century-BC works — is scheduled for completion by the end of next year, according to the latest government estimates."
I think those should be buildings at the museum perimeter...

http://www.ekathimerini.com/kathnews/photos/02-04-05/02-04-05_54740_1.gif

To the Athenians

As a member of the Diaspora, I would like to request of you frequent and comprehensive text and pictures documenting the progress of this Museum.

As you know, this issue is of particular importance to the Diaspora as we have spearheaded the cause for the Restitution of the Parthenon Sculptures over many years.

As we are not there to see progress develop, your assistance in this request would be greatly apreciated.

Regards

@ George_ts

Giorgara mou eisai kai o protos. Bravo for an outstanding post.

@ Leafs Fan - Actually, it is my pleasure to see that there are many people here to report the news from Greece. I may be the most :ancient: reporter but I don't believe that I am the only one or the first in here. I can see the new breed of forumers that are taking over and I will gladly assist in their efforts. You and the others here post some fantastic pictures of our country and it is my pleasure to see that the people from the diaspora love their country so much.

All of us deserve many accolades for keeping the Greek section of the forum alive and making it a meeting point of the Hellenes of the diaspora and the mainland :):):).

you meen the retorn of the marbles to the Partenon? sorry the question but I m a defenser of the restitution of the marbles and the retorn to the place were they belong!!

Actually, we have discussed in another post the return of the marbles and the whole hell broke loose. The point as it stands now, to the best of my understanding is that the marbles stand a high chance of being returned upon completion of this museum.

The issue is very controversial though because objectively speaking, as it was probably pointed out in other parts of this forum, may lead to the stripping of many museums of some of their most precious exhibits (If I remember correctly, the Nike of Samothrace is exposed in the Louvre :D). I respect the opinions of everybody in this issue, as a Greek though, of course I would like the Parthenon marbles being exposed in their proper setting under the blue Attican sky.

yes the famouse Victory of Samothrace :uh:, exacly wath I think, the marbles should retorn to the Parthennon, under the blue sky of Attica.

...the Parthenon, under the blue sky of Attica.

Thanks Arpels :), that's the spirit!!!


http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gm22632/24705/297124/0/Acropolis+-+White+and+Blue.JPG

I too welcome any change and progress to the museum although the current museum is a world class museum, it is too small to house everything and we did need something new and perhaps more modern to house all of the artifacts! And while first looking at the design of the new Acropolis museum, it is impressive but I wasn't too crazy about it initially. But as time has passed I am liking it more and more and I am pretty sure that once it is built it WILL look spectacular!

As far as the British go for giving back the marbles... this will happen with a lot of lobbying!!! But I do believe it will happen eventually even though the British museum doesn't want to give them back. And to say that once the marbles are returned to Greece that other museums will have to follow suit is something that is not going to happen. What happened here was a unique situation. The Parthenon marbles were stolen and illegally removed from one of the greatest architectual marvels in the world, seen and visited by millions of people each year. Not only that, the marbles were partially destroyed because of how they were taken. And with the new museum being built the British museum will have to come up with other excuses. In essense they have been stalling all of these years. Those arguments alone are enough to allow them to be returned.

FINALY after all I found some time (today) to go and see the progress of the Acropolis Museum…. as you know it is (for me personaly) the most importand constraction at the moment in Athens...
Well I am very pleased to say that it was worth it to take the time and make some pictures… actually I did take some pics from the centre as well (included an long walk at the national park) the next days I will post them…
Anyway back to the topic the progress is really visible…
Here we go

you can see already that the progress is visible... unfortunately this old buildings are still there but ... an employ Guaranteed that they will be removed....
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422833/0/IMG_0001.jpg
its already over one meter above the earth...
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422834/0/IMG_0002.jpg

but I was positive suprised when I looked at the right side of the constraction... you remember this 2 old buildings.... well the good news they are gone :)
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422835/0/IMG_0003.jpg
you can see how the view on that side changed.... I am glad for that really..
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422836/0/IMG_0004.jpg
now lets zoom to the construction side
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422837/0/IMG_0005.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422838/0/IMG_0006.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422841/0/IMG_0007.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422842/0/IMG_0008.jpg
after that and the incidend that they thought I am an Architect :D
I went to the oposite street to see how it looks from there.... well there where before the 2 old buildings...
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422843/0/IMG_0009.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422844/0/IMG_0010.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422845/0/IMG_0011.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422846/0/IMG_0012.jpg

bravo pali george!!


thanks for the update and keep them coming. :okay: I look forward to your other pictures also.


PS I am glad those old apartments are gone, I hope the others ones will go also soon.

Thank you for the pictures George! I'm glad to see that the construction is moving ahead as scheduled. And I really do hope that those old buildings are demolished.

The museum is going to look spectacular! Another gem for Athens!

συγχαρητήρια και από εμένα Γιώργο για τις πολύ ωραίες φωτογραφίες!!
great job dear friend!! :)
Αλλά αυτά τα 4-5 κτίρια από πίσω είναι ΚΑΚΑΣΧΗΜΑ (όπως και όλη η περιοχή από πίσω τους δυστυχώς ) και πρέπει άμεσα να κατεδαφιστούν και όχι να κουκουλωθούν με καμιά διαφημηστική επιγραφή / η να ψευτοκρυφτούν από κανένα τσιμεντένιο τοίχο (όπως φαίνεται λίγο σε κάποιες φωτογραφίες όπως αυτή :
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/gtsiaussidis2/35221/422834/0/IMG_0002.jpg

@ Γεροπλάτανε
Πάντως θα κατεδαφιστούν τα 2 σίγουρα όσο για τα άλλα 3… δεν ξέρω αλλά δεν αποκλείετε να το κάνουν

I could not find the original topic on this, I was searching for some time but I can't seem to find it, so maybe Konstantinoupolis if you can find it merge the topics, if we can't find it we can use this thread.


Some fresh pictures from Lucretius of the stadia.gr forums:


http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4112.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4113.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4116.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4118.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4119.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4122.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4124.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4126.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4138.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a130/lucretious/100_4139.jpg

I am happy that the project is moving along! I have been waiting so long to see this project come to fruition!!! :cheers:

Didnt this project cost something like 1 billion dollars?

It seems like i've been missing something...didn't know it was so advanced! wow...could someone make a brief with info about this? (dates, costs, plans...)

thanks!

It seems like i've been missing something...didn't know it was so advanced! wow...could someone make a brief with info about this? (dates, costs, plans...)

thanks!

http://www.archaeology.org/0407/newsbriefs/jpegs/acropolis1.jpeg

http://www.greece.org/parthenon/marbles/museum04.jpg


After languishing for years in the small museum on the site of the Acropolis, the treasures of the Parthenon and other temples are set to have a spectacular new home.
The Greek government is building a museum, designed by renowned architect Bernard Tschumi, at the foot of the Acropolis.
With more than twice the space of the old museum, the new museum will allow sculptures that have been hidden in storage to be displayed for the first time. Its centerpiece will be a glassed-in rooftop room, built with the exact proportions of the Parthenon, with views of the temple itself.

There, the Parthenon sculptures that Greece still owns (fewer than half of those that once graced the temple) will be arranged in their original order, with gaps left for the missing marbles.
This room will send a pointed political message: Greece has long campaigned for the return of the so called "Elgin Marbles", which once stood on the Parthenon and are now in the British Museum. Britain maintains that Greece cannot adequately display the marbles; Greece says the new museum destroys the last of the British reasons for holding on to the sculptures. Another highlight of the museum will be glass floors that allow viewers to look into an ongoing archaeological dig. At this writing, it seemed that only the Parthenon room will be open to the public. The completion date for the rest of the museum is 2007. The two museums will operate concurrently as displays from the on-site museum are restored and brought to the new space; eventually the old museum will close.

I could not find the original topic on this, I was searching for some time but I can't seem to find it, so maybe Konstantinoupolis if you can find it merge the topics
Done.

Ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ!

I'ts a wonderful project, missing the "stolen" Marbles though :sleepy: I'm trying the spanish forumers to sign the link in my signature, just a grain of sand, hope we can see them there some day.

2007 is a realistic date? do you think it will be ready?

thanks a lot!

http://origin.e-go.gr/filesystem/images/20060321/medium/pegasus_m_160_14848_.jpg
(www.aktor.gr)

@ arTmisa if you want more pics take a look at the previous pages.

thanks a lot, I will ;)

Y r wellcome.

Διεγράφησαν κάποια εκτός θέματος μηνύματα και σχόλια.

So howmuch will it cost?
The building itself dosnt look to impressive.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6938/ss0ra.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9207/ss12hp.jpg

']So howmuch will it cost?
The building itself dosnt look to impressive.

121 million euro ( μαζί με τις απαλλοτριώσεις )

why was there a need to take the Acropolis museum from the acropolis into the city although it is close?

Kuvvaci this is the current Acropolis museum.

http://70.85.118.119/images/museums/5-1.jpg

As you can see it’s actually situated only a few dozen meters from the Parthenon on the Acropolis where space is at a premium, and with no possibility of expansion many displays are simply not shown to the public.

Everyone agrees a new museum was needed but the location of the new building also very close to the Acropolis has drawn some criticism.


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I know the museum I have been there. But it is so nice to see the art works of Acropolis when you go there. Now, Acropolis is another places, its art works are another place. It will be strange. Also current museum is not bad as the photo you show. It looks so natural and authantic. This is my opinion as a foreigner of course. It was so impressive to see the art works of Acropolis on Acropolis hill.

Μετα το τέλος της κατασκευής του νέου μουσείου, τι πρόκειται να γίνει το παλίο ; Θα εξακολουθήσει να ύπαρχει ;

Yeah Kuvvacci my friend, but I prefer having an Akropolis Museum showing Akropolis material and art just 1 km away instead of having that Akropolis art being showed 2,200 kms away in London. ;)

With the new museum sitting open-but empty of the marbles-maybe it will shame the English pirates to return then? They have little shame, but in the face of world criticism maybe they just might?

^^ In a perfect world that would be the case!
But i don't think the British Museum is willing to return the stolen marbles!

Anyway,it's very nice to see that The Acropolis is finally getting a great museum!
(i wouldn't call the old museum "A Museum"...more like a storage space)

Something must be done about these ugly old buildings surrounding the museum!
I mean, the area under the Acropolis must be one of the most expensive (if not the most) areas in Athens!(am i right?)
How did they allow architects to build such buildings in the first place??? :?
Why aren't they demolished yet?

2 views of the construction at present.

http://www.duke.edu/~adk7/Others/IMG_1319.jpg

http://www.duke.edu/~adk7/Others/IMG_13152.JPG

It's easy. The British museum could give us back the stolen marbles and in exchange we could give them a good old clock; it would be fair I guess since that is what Lord Elgin gave us in exchange. So everybody would be happy that way. We would have the marbles back and the British Museum a good clock to exhibit in the front door.

^^ In a perfect world that would be the case!
But i don't think the British Museum is willing to return the stolen marbles!

Anyway,it's very nice to see that The Acropolis is finally getting a great museum!
(i wouldn't call the old museum "A Museum"...more like a storage space)

Something must be done about these ugly old buildings surrounding the museum!
I mean, the area under the Acropolis must be one of the most expensive (if not the most) areas in Athens!(am i right?)
How did they allow architects to build such buildings in the first place??? :?
Why aren't they demolished yet?
Because people live in them.
You cant just go around demolishing dwellings just because they look ugly.

Yeah Kuvvacci my friend, but I prefer having an Akropolis Museum showing Akropolis material and art just 1 km away instead of having that Akropolis art being showed 2,200 kms away in London. ;)
:lol: you are right

']Because people live in them.
You cant just go around demolishing dwellings just because they look ugly.

Come on George,you know exactly what i mean!
Don't make me seem the heartless idiot who wants to throw people out of their homes! :bash:
I'm sure the Museum or the city of Athens or both can afford to pay compensation to these people and all of them will be satisfied!
This is something happening all over the world!

already some buildings around the new museum have been demolished as i know, and compensations have been given to the previous occupants

Come on George,you know exactly what i mean!
Don't make me seem the heartless idiot who wants to throw people out of their homes! :bash:
I'm sure the Museum or the city of Athens or both can afford to pay compensation to these people and all of them will be satisfied!
This is something happening all over the world! Its also been happenig in Athens with the urban renewal plan. Legislation is in place, but not always easy to undertake when people need to be housed.

Here are the developments around Technopolis (http://www.cityofathens.gr/portal/site/AthensPortalEN/menuitem.7cb0bb672deb221eebd1de10500000a0/?vgnextoid=38d64dca442d0010VgnVCM100000d2a4673eRCRD) Cuture Centre and the Park that has been planned. Property has been appropriated by the city.

As it looked

http://www.astynet.gr/photos/b_ppkeram2.jpg

The 'Korean Market', the first area to be cleared.

http://www.astynet.gr/photos/b_area.jpg

Now you see it.

http://www.astynet.gr/photos/b_korea06-1.gif

Now you don't

http://www.astynet.gr/photos/b_korea06-2.gif

Looking better already.

http://www.astynet.gr/photos/b_korea06-3.gif

The Park that is planned should look like this, making Technopolis (Artcity) a focal point with a green belt surrounding it. Technopolis is the City of Athens former gas works. The industrial heritage buildings have been restored and converted for cultural and entertainment uses. Gotta luv Athens. :)

http://www.astynet.gr/photos/b_ppkeram1.jpg

"New Acropolis Museum"

A few pictures from Alexandros of stadia.gr


http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/alex_n78/B-2.jpg

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/alex_n78/B-1.jpg

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This is going really fast! :okay:
I was at the construction site last night but it was too dark to take photos...next time, i promise!

I took a picture of this poster though, cause i thought it was brilliant!

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9978/dsc00335jm9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

:cheers1:

^ lol, clever! I can't wait for this amazing museum to open!

Me too!!!!!!

Here it comes!

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=229753278&size=l

wow brilliant pic!

When is it due to open, is in Dec 2006 or 2007? Any new photo updates..

I can only hope that the Greek Government and Mr Voulgarakis (The Culture Minister) kick off the official media strategy soon to raise both local and international media awareness. This musuem needs to be promoted as the one and only home of the Parthenon Marbles and other relics from the Athenian Acropolis. I look forward to visiting another great Athenian museum. :wave:

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1394/736070bmd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A fragment from the Parthenon was returned from the University of Haidelberg to Greece on Tuesday.It's dimensions are 8x10 cm and it depicts a human pelma!
Also the minister of Culture of Sweden has stated that Sweden will be returning another fragment of the Parthenon! :cheers:

The bells are ringing....anyone hearing them at the British Museum??? :bash:

With the New Acropolis Museum being at the last stage of completion and fragments returning home, Melina Merkouri would have been so proud! :)

My contribution: I took this from the ascense to the Acropolis past week

BTW, I love the poster too! :colgate:

http://static.flickr.com/98/237050389_9e275e3215_o.jpg

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1394/736070bmd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A fragment from the Parthenon was returned from the University of Haidelberg to Greece on Tuesday.It's dimensions are 8x10 cm and it depicts a human pelma!
Also the minister of Culture of Sweden has stated that Sweden will be returning another fragment of the Parthenon! :cheers:

The bells are ringing....anyone hearing them at the British Museum??? :bash:

With the New Acropolis Museum being at the last stage of completion and fragments returning home, Melina Merkouri would have been so proud! :)

This is such great news! hope its just a start... :cheers:

http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1394/736070bmd6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A fragment from the Parthenon was returned from the University of Haidelberg to Greece on Tuesday.It's dimensions are 8x10 cm and it depicts a human pelma!
Also the minister of Culture of Sweden has stated that Sweden will be returning another fragment of the Parthenon! :cheers:

The bells are ringing....anyone hearing them at the British Museum??? :bash:

With the New Acropolis Museum being at the last stage of completion and fragments returning home, Melina Merkouri would have been so proud! :)


I try to be optimistic as well, maybe when Blair gets out of office we will have more chances??? :lol: Kidding aside though, I think we will have to overcome a few obstacles in order to secure their return. And of course Melina would of been so very proud! I wish she were still with us! She would of made it happen and wouldn't of taken "no" for an answer! :)

Cherry, there will be many opportunities over the next 5-6 years to raise the issue of the parthernon marbles with the British Government. I just hope the Greek Government organises an efficient and effective media strategy. Don't forget London is hosting the 2012 games. What better publicity than the return of the marbles to the cradle of Olympism (Greece) and two time host Olympic City (Athens). I have a strong belief that the Pathenon marbles may be coming home before or after the 2012 london Games. Failing that, we could always rename the new museum to the "The British Museum of Athens." thereby not having to debate the ownership issue and also not compromising the British Museum's Charter of no returns on any acquired artifacts and the Parthenon marbles are sent and displayed in the new museum on a long term lease :) ......just a thought.

Cherry, there will be many opportunities over the next 5-6 years to raise the issue of the parthernon marbles with the British Government. I just hope the Greek Government organises an efficient and effective media strategy. Don't forget London is hosting the 2012 games. What better publicity than the return of the marbles to the cradle of Olympism (Greece) and two time host Olympic City (Athens). I have a strong belief that the Pathenon marbles may be coming home before or after the 2012 london Games. Failing that, we could always rename the new museum to the "The British Museum of Athens." thereby not having to debate the ownership issue and also not compromising the British Museum's Charter of no returns on any acquired artifacts and the Parthenon marbles are sent and displayed in the new museum on a long term lease :) ......just a thought.

Welcome to the Hellenic Agora! And I too am optimistic about their return. And I do think that eventually the British Museum along with the British government will cave in under pressure, etc. They know that they belong back in Athens and the upcoming Olympics may be a catalyst for this happening sooner or later. Plus the completion of the new Acropolis museum shows them we mean business! But I still don't see it happening effortlessly.

Sooner or later, the precedents are being set. All Greece needs is an intellectual at Downey St. ( ya ya I know) and all the peices will fall into place.

As per the museum, it looks fantastic. My initial thoughts though are that it looks squeezed (cramped).

What I wish to see is the much vaunted view from the gallery looking onto the Parthenon through the glass with the displays on the other side.

To be obtimistic is not bad, but the issue has been raised many times as have the pros and cons, the fact that fragments are returning is partly due to the fact that Greece is also moving diplomatically and to the fact that a museum is finally being built(if you don''t have a garage how can you park a porsche....). Fragments may be returning but I wonder how many fragments are not returning and how many fragments are still kept. A university/museum gives you a finger and maybe keeps 10 statues.......

......(if you don''t have a garage how can you park a porsche....)........

:) I agree. The new Acropolis museum is a prerequisite for the return of the Parthenon marbles. The British Museum has used different arguments for not wanting to return the marbles. One of them being that the British Museum is a more suitable place for people from all over the world to view the marbles. This argument will be refuted after the completion of the museum. After all, there is no better place in the world to view these artefacts than in their country of origin with the Parthenon in the background.

very true, Egypt is just building a new impressive museum costing $350m in Giza to house all its antiquities and in fact the famouse Ramses statue was moved from the train station to be soon placed in the museum. Let's be honest, I don''t know whether its a matter of funds, but countries with a rich archeological history owe it to themselves and should have long ago built large museums......

Great project!
:okay:
I love this museum!!
:wink2:

pls can someone jus go take some pics i can't wait so long for people to actually go and take photos of buildings in progress on this forum...

very true, Egypt is just building a new impressive museum costing $350m in Giza to house all its antiquities and in fact the famouse Ramses statue was moved from the train station to be soon placed in the museum. Let's be honest, I don''t know whether its a matter of funds, but countries with a rich archeological history owe it to themselves and should have long ago built large museums......

I agree, we should be building these types of impressive and important museums and I'm looking forward to the new museum being completed! And on a side note, I have been to the Egyptian museum in Cairo, and while the collection is impressive, the building itself and the exhibits/presentations were in great need of an upgrade and I'm glad to hear that they will be building another museum at Giza! I'm sure it will be very impressive!

pls can someone jus go take some pics

Your wish is fulfilled! :)
You can't get more recent pics...i took them just today ( 8-10-2006 ) .

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/5260/acr1qm8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/6745/acr2az6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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Hopefully this beauty will open to public by summertime... :dunno:

Wow. Very nice pics. Looks like it's coming along well. Thanks for taking them!

Great pictures! Thank you!!!

This is a great project.

Greece needs more stuff like this.

thanks mate, nice pics

Its looking good!

With the significant publicity that this construction will generate in the coming months, one can only hope that consideration will be given to sprucing up the surrounding Makrigianni locality and the removal of the sea of TV antennas, solar panels etc that dot the skyline next to the museum.
:)

great photos, great job guys... thanx!

Officials say first exhibition halls at new Acropolis museum to open in 2007

Culture Minister George Voulgarakis on Tuesday toured the construction site for the new Acropolis museum, which lies on a tract of land opposite the Acropolis and Parthenon Temple's south sides.

In comments to reports, the minister said he was satisfied with the rate of progress at the previously delayed project, with a massive skeleton expected to be in place by next month, whereas a glass dome topping the new museum is expected to be ready by August. A tentative completion date for the first exhibition halls at the 23,000-square-metre facility is spring 2007.

Artifacts discovered during excavation work at the site will also go on display at another museum beginning in May.

Additionally, both museum and construction officials left open the possibility that one day a month be reserved for visitors to tour the construction site.

The total cost for the project, including the purchasing of surrounding real estate, is 129 million euros.

Finally, Voulgarakis reiterated that Greece has at no time backed off from its demand that the British Museum in London return the Parthenon Marbles, "we're intensifying our efforts with a friendlier approach, as the international community now appears more receptive to such a request".

Source: Athens News Agency

does that mean it will or will not be entirely completed for the summer?....because that's what was being said initially. Let''s be honest it would be a shame to miss summer 2007 for obvious reasons......

Officials say first exhibition halls at new Acropolis museum to open in 2007

Culture Minister George Voulgarakis on Tuesday toured the construction site for the new Acropolis museum, which lies on a tract of land opposite the Acropolis and Parthenon Temple's south sides.

In comments to reports, the minister said he was satisfied with the rate of progress at the previously delayed project, with a massive skeleton expected to be in place by next month, whereas a glass dome topping the new museum is expected to be ready by August. A tentative completion date for the first exhibition halls at the 23,000-square-metre facility is spring 2007.

Source: Athens News Agency

i missed the august part......:ohno:

i missed the august part......:ohno:

Everything seems to be on schedule!!! Let's hope!!!:colgate:

well by august i imagine they mean mid-august, and even so personally i was hoping for at least july....the summer season(particularly for tourism) doesnt being in august.

The museum will be open in May or June of 2007!

£94m Acropolis museum reveals ancient treasures


Helena Smith in Athens
Tuesday January 2, 2007
The Guardian

The New Acropolis Museum, Athens
The New Acropolis Museum was controversial but digging there has unearthed many riches. Photograph: Petros Giannakouris/AP


Like many treasures from antiquity, they were chance finds, but a fabulous hoard of more than 50,000 pieces unearthed during excavations in Athens has also provided a window on to the ancient civilisation of Greece. The treasure trove, discovered during excavations to build the New Acropolis Museum in the capital, includes relics ranging from a near perfectly preserved marble bust of Aristotle to cooking utensils, children's games and figurines of little known deities.

Article continues
"Thanks to the New Acropolis Museum we were able to conduct the biggest ever dig within the walls of Athens' ancient city," archaeologist, Stamatia Eleftheratou, said. "The excavation yielded artefacts that told us a lot about people's habits, the way they worshipped and their day to day lives."

Some of the treasures, such as an ornate statuette of the eastern deity Zeus Heliopolites, are unique - providing evidence of a cult of a god hitherto unknown - and extraordinarily well preserved.

The £94m three-storey museum, designed by the Swiss-born architect Bernard Tschumi to house the 5th century BC Parthenon marbles, is by far the most significant edifice erected so close to the Acropolis. The decision to build on a site so archaeologically rich was roundly criticised, but the excavations have brought to light a densely built area of ancient Athens inhabited from the golden age of the 5th century BC to the mid-Byzantine period in the 12th century AD.

Archaeologists claim the discovered ruins - the remains of villas, workshops, bathhouses, courtyards, cisterns and sewerage networks - say more about the historic evolution of the birthplace of democracy than any other find to date.

"We learned that through all these periods the inhabitants of this historic area were rich people with the economic means to lead comfortable lives," Ms Eleftheratou added.

Some of the finds, such as a Roman copy of an original 4th century BC bust of Aristotle - found amid the debris of an archaeological trench near the museum's entrance - were announced only recently. With its aquiline nose, protruding forehead, floppy hair and minute eyes and mouth, the bust is regarded as one of the best likenesses of the Greek philosopher.

"From written descriptions we know that Aristotle was famous for his hooked nose and short hair and beard," said Alkestis Choremi, the former director of Athens' prehistoric and classical antiquities department. "This comes closer to resembling him than anything ever discovered here. It offers a rare depiction of how he looked."

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1981038,00.html

new fotos:

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http://www.fotothing.com/photos/908/9087ea27157670d05cea30792a4ae598_d20.jpg

The building looks fine, it doesn't have " look at me" feel to it though. It is a relatively unintrusive building that sits quite confortably with its neighbours.

Although at times it appears slightly closed in by surrounding buildings....this may change once the site landscaping is completed.

What should happen is the neighbouring Theatre of Dionysos should be restored (don't know if this possible given the debate over original Vs new fabric), with the Theatre used for holding public lectures, performances and a meeting point for visitors before they visit the new Acropolis Museum.

However, all in all , not a bad outcome.... :) :) :)

I agree, i think the theatre needs some work.

The new museum is not an architectural miracle by any standards. However, it is nice, clean and modern. Seems also very spacious.

I think the theater of Dionysos must be restored. I understand that there might be a debate about the use of new materials to reconstruct the missing parts but this has been done before numerous times.

I believe that in order to appreciate and understand those ancient wonders, we shouldn't keep them behind closed doors and museums (though they fit their purpose on some cases), but we should use them and enjoy them. We should give Life to this ancient fellow and a purpose to its broken parts.

Personally, I like it. It's a nice, modern building. However, it clearly reflects the present situation in Greece regarding architecture. It's fairly conservative and doesn't strike anyone as a great building. As I've said in the past, there's a fine line between moderation and mediocrity. Unfortunately, too many new buildings in Athens and Greece incite the latter statement.

Further to the "Museums in the 21st Century" exposition of the K20 museum (Dusseldorf, Germany) a very large Dutch newspaper published an article about the most interesting museum designs. The new Acropolis Museum designed by Bernard Tschumi was mentioned in this article together with other arcitectural marvels like these designs:

http://www.kunstsammlung.de/uploads/pics/6exterior_korr_01.jpg

http://www.kunstsammlung.de/uploads/pics/Coop_Musee_des_Conflue_02.jpg

In my view the new Acropolis Museum is a great building with international appeal. The minimalist design really stands out considering the surrounding area.

i think that the New Akropolis Museum will be amazing.. Wait until it is complete.. With all the illuminations, work of art, statues and open for the public... ...and hopefully one day with the Parthenon Marbles there....

I am not an expert on the field but I think (have read) that Tschumi is a Deconstructivist and not a minimalist. And this seems more logical given the shape of the museum - even though not in the extreme form of the movement.

I think it is both deconstruction and minimalistik. But I also think it Greek. Inspired by the war museum of Thoukididis Valentis.

Paidia exete kanena neo gia hmeromhnia egkainiwn tou mouseiou h tpt tetoio???

^^ http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=787507&lngDtrID=253

sta anglika

Museum is inching ahead

The construction of the long-awaited New Acropolis Museum is likely to be completed this summer but visitors will probably not be allowed into the building until next year, Culture Minister Giorgos Voulgarakis told a group of MPs yesterday.

A year ago, Voulgarakis said that work on the museum would be finished by this month and visitors would be allowed in by the end of 2007 but the project, initially scheduled for completion before the 2004 Olympics, is slightly behind.

Archaeologist Dimitris Pantermalis suggested that Athenians could be allowed in for two hours each day to see the exhibits being positioned before the museum opens to visitors.

Voulgarakis told the group of visiting MPs that there are plans to tidy up the area around the museum after deputies complained that the ugliness of surrounding apartment blocks spoiled the view from the second-floor restaurant.

Voulgarakis said there are plans to flank the museum with trees that will block any unseemly sights and allow visitors to enjoy the view of the Acropolis. source (source)


visitors will probably not be allowed into the building until next year...

Mate, I reckon they built the Parthenon quicker...:ohno:

oh well almost done

Mate, I reckon they built the Parthenon quicker...:ohno:

It took them some decades too, yes.

On the other hand, the transfer of the 2500 year-old exhibits needs to be done with the utmost care. and themuseum will be ready for the 2008 summer season :).

is the museum close the Acrpolis metro station? I guess, yes.

It's next to it :).

Slowly but steadily, Athens is changing...to the better :)

Rome wasn't build in a day and Athens won't be rebuild in a day either. Each and every similar effort is a step forward. I strongly believe that the museum, the unification of the archaelogical sites,the olympic complex (and rest of the olympic legacy),the transportations infrastructure etc etc add class to our city,class that is so badly needed.

BTW, although I'm not religious person at all, I think that Athens lacks a big Cathedral of unique style as well. I think it would help making Atheneans more familiar with big buildings too, besides adding an important landmark to an ambitious city like Athens.

let me say that this buildding is HUGE and probably destroys the acritecture image of the area. it could be a GREAT building somewhere else, maybe in maroussi, but i was scared by its size and colour when i got out of the metro... i'm not an archtect but that's how i feel when i'm lookin' at that buiding. :)

Take some pics for us so we get the same impression!

:okay: :okay:

It's been some time since I last posted here, well, here's my latest update on the acropolis museum. The pictures where taken March 17. Sorry for the greek comments, it's taken directly from the stadia.gr forum


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Εδώ φαίνεται και η ψευδοροφή που μπαίνει στον 2ο όροφο. Ακόμη, στην πρώτη της σειράς μπορείτε να δείτε την προσοχή στην λεπτομέρεια: Κατα το καλούπωμα της πλάκας προβλέφθηκε η θέση των αεραγωγών του μουσείου.

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Στo εσωτερικό μπορείτε να δείτε και ένα τμήμα της τελικής οροφής στην θέση του (περίπου δυο γυαλινες επιφάνειες δεξιά από το άνοιγμα). Φαίνεται ακόμη και η απόληξη του στεγάστρου της εισόδου

Η έκθεση στο κτίριο Weiler συνεχίζεται ώς τον Οκτώβριο. Η φωτογράφιση κανονικά δεν επιτρέποταν αλλά οι κοπελιες που πρόσεχαν την έκθεση ψώλαραν ασύστολα (για να το θέσω κομψά) με ένα cosmo και δεν με ενόχλησαν. Ενδιαφέρουσα έκθεση, μοντέρνα, με σημαντικά αλλά και καθημερινά ευρήματα. Δίνει μια εικόνα του πώς θα είναι στημένη η έκθεση των ευρημάτων της ανασκαφής του οικοπέδου.

Απο την είσοδο
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Απόδοση τιμών στον Πλάτωνα
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Προς την έξοδο
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Hope you like 'em and don't forget that you have access in the original high quality files

Μπράβο βρε παλιόφιλε, η συγκεκριμένη θεματική ενότητα χρειαζόταν μια τέτοια ανανέωση.

Lucretius welcome back and a big THANKS for your contribution.

...and don't get lost for months again :)

I'll try, but my heart remains with stadia.gr :)
Here's a plan showing the building that are (or scheduled to be) demolished (in red), the ones that are considered "protected" (in green) and some temp structures (in blue).

http://www.fotothing.com/photos/a0b/a0bffb3aeadd437e95278a49b815820c.jpg

New pictures from www.stadia.gr by losada

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/AREOPAYITOY/th_DSC06422.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/AREOPAYITOY/DSC06422.jpg)http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MAKRIYIANNH/th_DSC06366.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MAKRIYIANNH/DSC06366.jpg)http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MAKRIYIANNH/th_DSC06369.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MAKRIYIANNH/DSC06369.jpg)http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MHTSAIWN/th_DSC06420.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MHTSAIWN/DSC06420.jpg)
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/XATZHXRHSTOY/th_DSC06386.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/XATZHXRHSTOY/DSC06386.jpg)http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/XATZHXRHSTOY/th_DSC06391.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/XATZHXRHSTOY/DSC06391.jpg)http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/XATZHXRHSTOY/th_DSC06398.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/XATZHXRHSTOY/DSC06398.jpg)http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MHTSAIWN/th_DSC06413.jpg (http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a134/losada7/Mou_Akpopolis_22-4-07/MHTSAIWN/DSC06413.jpg)

more pictures: stadia.gr forums: New Acropolis Museum (http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=525)

Σόρυ που θα ανακόψω τον ενθουσιασμό σας, αλλά αυτή η αρχιτεκτονική είναι αταίριαστη με το γύρω χώρο. Είναι απομίμηση του εκτρωματικού στυλ της δεκαετίας του 70 και χτυπάει άσχημα στο μάτι, ειδικά αν καταλήξεις εκεί ύστερα από βόλτα στην Αρεοπαγίτου.

^^ oi perisoteri athina htipaei ashima sto mati file mas, idika ta polla 70's htiria...ksehaseta

Πέρασα πρόσφατα από την περιοχή και όντως το νέο Μουσείο της Ακρόπολης είναι μια ογκώδης κατασκευή, αλλά ταυτόχρονα και επιβλητική σε σχέση με τά γύρω κτήρια. Αυτό ίσως σε κάποιους να μην αρέσει...πάντως ας περιμένουμε να ολοκληρωθεί...ίσως το τελικό φινίρισμα να βελτιώσει την εικόνα.

I wish it would be open when I am in Athens this August. I'm anxious to see it.

New architectural interventions always challenge us. Athens is no different.

This is not necessarily a bad thing. Athens as an architectural unit needs to be challenged.

Having visited the site on several occassions 2004, and 2006, I persoanally think that the Museum will actually improve the setting of this locality, it can't get any worse with all the stock standard 1970s polikatikies that surround the Makrigianni site.

If people are concerned about the 'aesthetics' of the of the new museum, they should look around at all the ugly televisions antennas on top of the polikatikies that clutter the skyline. if anything, these should be removed and relocated before the museum offically opens.

Visitors to the new Museum will have the final say though.

If the setting of the building in confronting, perhaps the site could have been landscaped by utilising more advanced trees (as per OAKA) and not the small olive tree sapplings that appear to have been planted along the perimeter of the site..

Looking forward to visiting the museum once it is opened. :)

True, architecture should challenge the 'status quo'.
However, there is a subtle difference, we recognise the concept of the blocks of flats as an act of desperation due to the post war boom of the population and the need to create accommodation for the influx of people from rural areas into urban ones.

This on the other hand, is a conscious decision, which has been planned for many years due to its importance and so is just distasteful. I believe the building is fine only if it was built elsewhere- clearly not feasible!

The building so far looks unimpressive and a mixture of prosaic postmodern architecture we have seen before. However it may possess something we cannot see through fotos so i will refrain from making judgement until i visit it.

I think it is far better than the first sketches we have seen, for which I was completely negative. I don't like the shape of the building at all, it seems completely naive. However, I enjoy the contrast of the colors and materials in comparison with the Athenian landscape. It seems kind of retro-futuristic in a sense - meaning something that has been modern long ago.

However, I would say that the specific building would be suitable, or even excellent, for many other uses rather than being an archaelogical museum.

Now that our city Athens is going mto finally get one of the best museums worldwide, and this will simply be a start in a long, let's hope, series of constructions related to culture and the arts, I think it's time to remmind you of another proposal for this museum that has probably passed unobserved, not made by a foreign architect but by our Alexandros Tombazis.

Original post in address:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=7654201&postcount=22

I reproduce the whole post here as I want you to make the comparison between the two proposals. I personally like the Tombazis' one more, not because he is one of the BEST contemporary Hellene Architects but because I believe that this design teaches as how to "architecturise" (πως να "αρχιτεκτονούμε" instead of simply designing buildings.

Ο τύπος ξέρει ΠΟΛΥ καλά τι του γίνεται...


What follows below is a collection of models and drawings of his proposal for the architectural competition for the new Athens Acropolis museum. Although his design lost to the one by Bernard Tchumi, I consider Tombazis' design to be better in form, more innovative and while subjected to the constraints set by the location (on the foot of the Acropolis Rock) as well as the parameters set by the competition itself, Tombazis' team managed to present somethign which, albeit sizeable is great without being offersively big, and while it gives us this sence of edification is not tall (and should not be, that close to "the sacred rock).

Enjoy one of the most ingenious designs which, unfortunately, was not adopted, probably considered too pioneering for the purpose for which it was to serve. For more of his numerous work, visit the website of his company here: ------------> http://www.meletitiki.gr/31/article/english/31/60/index.htm

He is an asset and a living legend of post 2nd World War Greek architecture

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/articles/akropoli1.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli2_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli3_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli7_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli8_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli4_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli5_big.jpg

http://www.meletitiki.gr/static/images/related_images/akropoli6_big.jpg
Where there is something good, it needs to be praised...

So, which design would you prefer?

Tombazis proposal is awful to my eyes....Look at the Parthenon marble's surrounding......in Tschumi's proposal, the Parthenon gallery is so perfect..just glass around and nothing else, clear and elegant, nothing can break off the view to the marbles and to teh Parthenon..In Tombazis model we see shaped holes in the ceiling..an orange element like wall in the backround(??)..its too messy..I would say that Tombazis proposed building could be for any purpose but not for the Acropolis museum...On the other side the selected proposal is the best by far...Simple and effective, modern and clear. It is a museum in which the light makes the difference and thats the purpose..The sculpture inside it must be seen under the same light as in ancient years and Tschumi made it.The Parthenon gallery has the same dimension and direction as Parthenon..it is a nice way to refer to teh Parthenon.

...Thanks for your reply my dear friend.

I on the other hand believe that the museum is a bit too big for the density of the area. Tombazis is more discreet...

But anyway, these are just opinions right?

In any case Tschumi's design is good enough and, like most of the buildings in Athens, the interior is much much much better than the exterior of the building. Better design, functionality and space layout... :)

Unfortunately in architecture, 'good enough' is below average imo. \Esp when it is Athens and a museum for the most famous sculptures in the world.

What we have now ''looks'' Good enough. Not thought-provoking, not beautiful, definately not something that will set the world a-light. Something a little too big and square, but fits its use ok, is not ugly and should be 'good enough' to house these marbles without anyone saying Greece mucked up.

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GM I wish you didn't post the Tombazis model - To my eyes its far superior to the Tsumi design. Notice how the Weiller building looks trivial next to it, whereas it appears to suffocate the Tsumi structure. On top of it all I was left speechless by the sloping roof allowing visitors to walk on top for an outside view of the Parthenon. Too bad they opted Tsumi... Perhaps they felt a foreign name would give the museum more cachet - but who ever heard of Chumi or given him a commision in the last quarter century? (Just for laughs google "Bernard Tsumi buidlings")

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I don't like Tombazis's proposal for the acropolis museum, even though he is my favorite Greek architect. It looks too "monolithic", a bit cramped between the weiler building and the back sides of the old apartment blocks in the area. Moreover the interior seems divided in too many small rooms that offer little to the versatility and the feeling of a modern museum. And don't even get me started on that roof!

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Lucretius at this point it makes no difference what we like or don't like because the Tsumi museum is about to be completed and it is far more preferable to the current museum on top of the Acropolis. Let’s just hope they remove more of the polikatikies around it so the surrounding area becomes visually appealing.


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Is the Weiler building going to be connected in any way with the new Acropolis museum?....maybe the combination of this old and beautiful building with this, at least emblematic, new one will improve the overall impression...

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Perhaps they felt a foreign name would give the museum more cachet - but who ever heard of Chumi or given him a commision in the last quarter century? (Just for laughs google "Bernard Tsumi buidlings")

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...on the other hand, googling the correct "Bernard Tschumi buildings" gives you about 82000 results. Not bad at all

^^
:lol:

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...on the other hand, googling the correct "Bernard Tschumi buildings" gives you about 82000 results. Not bad at all


Lucretius I made an error. I stand corrected: The correct spelling would have brought back results. Nonetheless his body of work is still insignificant

BTW Do you care to post any of his buldings? Can you show us six or seven of them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Tschumi

And for the record: Google web search brought back just 3 results not 82,000 - Results 1 - 3 of 3 for "Bernard Tschumi buildings". (0.27 seconds)

and only 2 for the Image search - Results 1 - 2 of 2 for "Bernard Tschumi buildings". (0.17 seconds)

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So whats the point of your latest statements, do you mean that we should choose a non-Greek architect only if he is Sandiago Calatrava?
And btw i really like the new acropolis museum, tombazis proposal seems really interesting too though, but still they choose this one, and build it even, there is not a point to argue on that anymore.

I know this is being simplistic, but I think Tombazis' design looks a lot like the IBC Center that was built near OAKA for the Olympics. The only difference is the sloping roof....

Sklavenitis, when you put Quotation marks in the terms of your search, google returns only results with the exact text. So if you search for "Bernard tschumi buildings" you' ll get 2 results, and when you remove the quotation marks 82.400. Removing "Bernard" adds 20000 results more. Searching for bernard tschumi architects (the name of the firm) brings you 137000 links, while the "bernard tschumi architects" 9.700 links and 331 images.

For an extensive presentation of his projects you may try at www.tschumi.com. There are almost all of his buildings -plus some unrealized projects. My favorite is the parc de la villette in paris, the flon interface in Lausanne, Rouen's concert hall, Vacheron Constantin Headquarters in Geneva, blue tower in New York and of course the new acropolis museum.

Here some assorted pics from flickr

Cincinnati athletic center
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/467432301_7e4cf94396.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/409467960_9fadb5e410.jpg?v=0

Parc de la Villette
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/143/325356254_a5e6afc8b0.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/293093016_5913cad48a.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/20/72069599_2f96cd9454.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/50/144093527_143bd23d30.jpg?v=0

Blue Tower
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/153/368911805_c92c6557d0.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/368911201_7d604a25e6.jpg

Vacheron Constantin Headquarters
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/387253655_442137ebfc.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/146658776_0dae5bd010.jpg?v=0
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/387254654_7e6aa94045.jpg?v=0

Nice buildings! I personally really like the new museum - its sharp, modern, and the glass Parthenon on top reminds me of the new Arch de Triomphe in Paris (a modern remake of an old masterpiece). Viewing the glass Parthenon from the acropolis is also quite a sight. The other design isn't bad either though.

What we have now ''looks'' Good enough. Not thought-provoking, not beautiful, definately not something that will set the world a-light. Something a little too big and square, but fits its use ok, is not ugly and should be 'good enough' to house these marbles without anyone saying Greece mucked up.

My opinion is that it looks good (not something overtly spectacular) but it is impressive and definitely an improvement, we really needed this new museum. And as GM already pointed out the interiors will be much better and I believe it will surpass any of our expectations in terms of functionality, modernity and its collection, etc. These things in part are what is needed to make a good musuem. Personally I can't wait to visit!

All the contributors here made some excellent points. And surprisingly Leafs is right about the Tombazis plan. It partly looks like the IBC.

On the other hand, nobody can tell whether the current design is a success until we visit it. On a first note though, the bulkiness of the new museum was pointed by an accomplished architect who is also a proponent of tall buildings (φαντάσου! ). Ιn any case though, I have the sense that Tschumi focused on the interiors and to this end, I believe that when the museum will be accessible we will be astonished!!!

Also, as the same architect said "the relationship of a building with its surroundings matures through time. The Beaubourg in Paris or the Eiffel tower were also characterised as "bulky" as a first impression. Look at them now!!!"

Tschumi has always focused mainly on interiors. Look at the Athletic Centre interior
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/467432301_7e4cf94396.jpg?v=0
compared to the exterior
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/409467960_9fadb5e410.jpg?v=0

Anyway, I am very glad his proposal was realised and is being built because (and with all respect to Tombazis) the other design looks somewhat tacky.

The current design, although not by any means bombastic, is elegant and modern.

What will happen to the old Acropolis museum? Cafe?

Better demolish it, so that the acropolis will be clear!

A part of it will be demolished to reveal and restore parts of the Mycenaean wall and the shrine of Pandion. The rest will be underground as it is planned to restore the ground to the height and pattern of the classic age, and will serve as a depository for architectural members and information point for the restoration of acropolis.

Thanks for the info!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=469187

Marvellous piece of architecture! In my opinion this building truly fits there because it refers to great history of your country represented by neighbouring Acropolis but not affecting it negatively. :cheers:

This article (in Greek only) appeared on the NEA's electronic site.

Apparently views towards the Parthenon from the the Parthenon Gallery in the New Acropolis Museum will be obstructed two buildings that are not going to be demolished as planned.

ΔΥΟ ΠΟΛΥΩΡΟΦΑ ΚΤΙΣΜΑΤΑ ΜΠΡΟΣΤΑ ΣΤΟ ΝΕΟ ΜΟΥΣΕΙΟ ΣΤΟΥ ΜΑΚΡΥΓΙΑΝΝΗ

Κόβουν τη θέα προς Ακρόπολη

Των Δημήτρη Τζάθα Μαίρης Αδαμοπούλου
Η θέα προς την Ακρόπολη από την αίθουσα των Γλυπτών του Παρθενώνα στο Νέο Μουσείο Ακροπόλεως εμποδίζεται από τα δύο πολυώροφα κτίσματα, που δεν έχουν απαλλοτριωθεί. Το ένα (δεξιά) έχει κηρυχθεί διατηρητέο και με σχέδιο νόμου γίνεται πιθανώς έδρα «Ιδρύματος Μουσικής Έρευνας»
Ένα ακόμη εμπόδιο βρίσκει στο παρά πέντε της ολοκλήρωσής του το Νέο Μουσείο Ακροπόλεως, καθώς το ένα από τα δύο κτίρια που του κλείνουν τη θέα προς τον Ιερό Βράχο, αντί να κατεδαφιστεί, προάγεται σε έδρα του Ιδρύματος Ερευνών, Μουσικής, Τεχνών και Επιστημών Ευάγγελου Παπαθανασίου- προσφέροντας άλλοθι και στο γειτονικό δεύτερο κτίσμα. Γεγονός που προκάλεσε έντονη κόντρα μεταξύ του υπουργού Πολιτισμού Γιώργου Βουλγαράκη και βουλευτών της αξιωματικής αντιπολίτευσης (αλλά και της Ν.Δ.) κατά τη χθεσινή ψήφιση του σχεδίου νόμου με το οποίο προβλέπεται η σύσταση του Ιδρύματος.
«Πρόκειται για μία από τις δύο οχλούσες οικοδομές που εμποδίζουν τη θέα του μουσείου προς το Διονυσιακό Θέατρο και έχουμε πάρει σαφή θέση ως προς το θέμα», εξήγησε στα «ΝΕΑ» ο πρόεδρος του Οργανισμού Ανέγερσης Νέου Μουσείου Ακροπόλεως, Δημήτρης Παντερμαλής. «Τη στιγμή που το παγκόσμιο ενδιαφέρον είναι στραμμένο στο νέο μουσείο και επιτροπές ανά τον κόσμο αγωνίζονται υπέρ της επιστροφής των Γλυπτών του Παρθενώνα, ας αποφασίσει η Πολιτεία αν πρέπει να δοθεί προτεραιότητα στο σπίτι ενός ιδιώτη».
Παρά τις αντιδράσεις όμως του ΟΑΝΜΑ, αλλά και μερίδας του πολιτικού κόσμου για τα πολυώροφα κτίσματα και ένα μικρότερο κτίριο στο ενδιάμεσο- που κατά μία άποψη «σκανδαλωδώς» δεν ακολούθησαν την κατεδάφιση των 20 και πλέον άλλων κτιρίων που περιβάλλουν το Νέο Μουσείο Ακροπόλεως-, η ιδιοκτησία Παπαθανασίου (στην οδό Διονυσίου Αρεοπαγίτου) έχει κηρυχθεί διατηρητέα και με την πιθανή καθιέρωσή της ως έδρα του Ιδρύματος αποκτά ένα ακόμη σοβαρό έρεισμα ώστε να μην αφήσει ελεύθερο το Νέο Μουσείο Ακροπόλεως να αναπνεύσει. Εξέλιξη που επιβεβαιώνεται άλλωστε και από τις μεγάλης κλίμακας επεμβάσεις που ήδη προγραμματίζονται να γίνουν στο κτίριο.
Το νομοσχέδιο καταψηφίστηκε από τα κόμματα της αντιπολίτευσης. Αντιρρήσεις για το θέμα δεν εξέφρασε μόνο ο κοινοβουλευτικός εκπρόσωπος του ΠΑΣΟΚ Τηλέμαχος Χυτήρης, που πρότεινε την κατεδάφιση του επίμαχου κτιρίου προβλέποντας ότι η ύπαρξή του θα προκαλέσει τη γενική κατακραυγή όταν εγκαινιαστεί το Νέο Μουσείο Ακροπόλεως, αλλά και οι βουλευτές της Νέας Δημοκρατίας Χρυσή Καρύδη και Γιάννης Ιωαννίδης. Ο κ. Ιωαννίδης υποστήριξε ότι «πρέπει να απαλλοτριωθούν με χρυσάφι τα κτίρια ώστε να φαίνεται η Ακρόπολη φάτσα-κάρτα από το Μουσείο Ακροπόλεως» και πως αν η Πολιτεία το ανακοινώσει στον Βαγγέλη Παπαθανασίου, ο συνθέτης θα δεχθεί την απαλλοτρίωση.
Οι αντιδράσεις αυτές είχαν ως αποτέλεσμα ο υπουργός Πολιτισμού Γιώργος Βουλγαράκης να εκφράσει την άποψη ότι «το συγκεκριμένο κτίριο δεν σχετίζεται με το Ίδρυμα» και να διαβεβαιώσει πως στην περίπτωση που απαιτηθεί, «η Πολιτεία θα προχωρήσει στη διαδικασία απαλλοτρίωσης του κτιρίου του συνθέτη, παρά τις όποιες δικαστικές εμπλοκές». Προβλήματα ωστόσο προέκυψαν και για το καθαυτό θέμα τού υπό σύσταση Ιδρύματος Ευάγγ. Παπαθανασίου. Από το ΠΑΣΟΚ ο Γιώργος Λιάνης ανέφερε χαρακτηριστικά ότι συστήνεται το εν λόγω Ίδρυμα ενώ δεν υπάρχει καν μουσείο Βασίλη Τσιτσάνη, και ότι ενώ Ολλανδοί ενδιαφέρονται για το αρχείο του Μάνου Χατζιδάκι, η Πολιτεία αδιαφορεί.
Στο μεταξύ όλα τα κόμματα συμφώνησαν με την τροπολογία να μονιμοποιηθούν στο υπουργείο Πολιτισμού οι 55 εργαζόμενοι που απασχολούνταν στον Οργανισμό Ανέγερσης Νέου Μουσείου Ακροπόλεως.

^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
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A I S X O S

Αυτά είναι;;;;;;

Και τι το ιδιαίτερο έχουν ακριβώς για να αποκαλούνται διατηρητέα;

...φουρούσια και αετώματα στην όψη τους, άσε να μην αρχίσω καλύτερα!

(διατηρητέο είναι μόνο το δεξί κτίριο...τα άλλα δυο τη γλιτώνουν λόγω...συνάφειας!)

They don't look like they will totally obstruct the view...

I was under the impression that no one lives there anymore??? If they don't want to demolish them (WHY NOT!), why don't they just renovate them?

The one on the left looks already derelict

Xekina h metafora twn ekthematwn to Septembrio kai egkainia tha exoume stis arxes tou 2008! :banana:

http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=805429&lngDtrID=253

http://news.ert.gr/c/5/316617.asp

Good news guys... :) Have a look:

http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=805651&lngDtrID=253

ok,i just had a look on the buildings...and indeed that's good news!

Επειδή προβλέπω μερικοί από εδώ μέσα να στηθούν από κάτω και να τραβάνε φωτογραφίες της μετακόμισης, παιδιά προσοχή μη σπάσει κανένα συρματόσχοινο :lol:

Perissotera gia th metafora twn glyptwn :) :

http://tovima.dolnet.gr/print_article.php?e=B&f=15076&m=C05&aa=1

From the above source:

A metope as moved from the Parthenon into the new museum...

Impressive :eek:

http://tovima.dolnet.gr/data/D2007/D0603/1abc5a.jpg

H mia ek twn dyo polykatoikiwn pou brisketai epi ths D. Areopagitou kai prokeitai na katedafistoun:

http://tovima.dolnet.gr/data/D2007/D0603/1abc5b.jpg

Ε, οχι και πολυκατοικια βρε παιδια!!! Αυτο ειναι κτιριο του 1900!! Μακαρι ολες οι πολυκατοικιες να ηταν σαν κι αυτο!!! Παντως οτι πρεπει να κατεδαφιστει, πρεπει....Αλλα οχι οτι θα με χαλαγε αν η Κυψελη η τα Εξαρχεια ηταν γεματα τετοια κτιρια!!!

Σωστόοοος...

Ε, οχι και πολυκατοικια βρε παιδια!!! Αυτο ειναι κτιριο του 1900!! Μακαρι ολες οι πολυκατοικιες να ηταν σαν κι αυτο!!! Παντως οτι πρεπει να κατεδαφιστει, πρεπει....Αλλα οχι οτι θα με χαλαγε αν η Κυψελη η τα Εξαρχεια ηταν γεματα τετοια κτιρια!!!

To ar8ro xrhsimopoei ton oro polykatoikia profanws me thn etumologikh tou ennoia (katoikeitai apo pollous) kai oxi me thn "arxitektonikh" tou (pou diaxwrizetai apo ta neoklassika ktl)...

Λιγουλάκι εκτός θέματος,αλλά μιας και το ανανκινήσατε...Στα αγγλικά μας μάθαιναν να λέμε τις πολυκατοικίες "Blocks of flats" κλπ. Αλλά μιας και η ελληνικού τύπου πολυκατοικία είναι κάτι το ξεχωριστό από τα commie blocks, πιστεύω της αξίζει να ανγνωριστεί διεθνώς με το όνομά της ώστε να μην έχουμε και προβλήματα ορισμού (πχ. όπως εδώ με την ετυμολογική έννοια φερ'επείν).

Pantws opws kai na'xei ayta ta ktiria prepei na gkremistoun wste to mouseio na min exei "empodia" kai na apoktisei tin epithymiti thea....H basiki idea omws pou lew parapanw einai i idia...Den einai kakogousta...Kai den einai "polykatoikies" me tin ennoia pou ennooume aytes tou 50-60.....Antiproswpeyoun mia ap'tis pio pareksigimenes arxitektonikes stin Ellada, aytin tis periodou 1900-1920.....Kai kata tin gnwmi mou, ama briskontan opoudipote allou, i endedeigmeni lysi tha itan na anakainisthoun kai oxi na katedafistoun...Ayta...

a recent pic of the museum... allmost finished ( i think )

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z188/ovem/HPIM2472.jpg

I love that angle

H mia ek twn dyo polykatoikiwn pou brisketai epi ths D. Areopagitou kai prokeitai na katedafistoun:

http://tovima.dolnet.gr/data/D2007/D0603/1abc5b.jpg

I like these little reminders of old Athens...could this building not be saved with only its third level removed to provide unobstructed views from the Parthenon Galleries ?

H mia ek twn dyo polykatoikiwn pou brisketai epi ths D. Areopagitou kai prokeitai na katedafistoun
NTROPI!!!! OI PANIBLAKES!!!

Giati ntropi? Den einai ntropi diladi na erxontai episkeptes apo ola ta miki tu kosmu na dun ta marmara tu parthenwna sto neo museio kai anti tu parthenwna kai tu dionisiaku theatru na antikryzun ta pisw balkonia 2 polykatoikiwn? O xwros mprosta apo to museio eprepe na eixe apeleftherwthei apo afta ta ktiria edw kai kairo.... tha ginume rezili diethnws an den katedafistun amesa. Afto fenete na to katalave kala kai o ypourgos stin teleftea tu episkepsi pu anakoinwse oti tha katedafistun...fenete kaneis den thewruse tis polykatoikies aftes provlima wspu anevikan stin aithusa tu parthenwna sto neo museio kai anti tu parthenwna antikrysan ap eksw....ta plymmena kai aplwmena tis kathe nykokyrulas sta pisw balkonia tvn polykatoikiv=wn...

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Ovem would you like this view from the new museum?


http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z74/LampKiddy/gremiseto.jpg

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Prepei opwsdipote na katedafistoun autes athlies polikatikies.

Είμαστε σίγουροι ότι πρόκειται για τα ίδια κτήρια, από μπροστά είναι τόσο όμορφα, άλλα είναι όντως τόσο άθλια από πίσω;
Ας τα θυσιάσουμε λοιπόν, μια ακρόπολη την έχουμε :)

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Είμαστε σίγουροι ότι πρόκειται για τα ίδια κτήρια, από μπροστά είναι τόσο όμορφα....

Yes we are sure those are the same buildings - one belongs to the famed composer Vangelis

From the front they look "neo-classical" but from the rear appear "neoklasmena":bash:

Pantws wraio mouseio tha einai. To xreiazotane i athina. Meta apo tosa xronia kaname kati kalo. Makari na eixame perissotera tetoia erga.

Tha to xairontai kai i epomenes genies.


P.S. Den upirxe kapoio allo meros na to xtisoune;

Ekei pou einai ligo strimwgmena einai.

Κλειστό για το κοινό από 2/7 το Αρχαιολογικό Μουσείο Ακρόπολης


Κλειστό για το κοινό θα παραμείνει το Αρχαιολογικό Μουσείο Ακρόπολης από τις 2 Ιουλίου, προκειμένου να ολοκληρωθούν οι εργασίες αποσυναρμολόγησης και προετοιμασίας των γλυπτών και αρχιτεκτονικών μελών λόγω μεταφοράς των εκθεμάτων του παλαιού Μουσείου Ακροπόλεως στο κτήριο του Νέου Μουσείου.


http://www.naftemporiki.gr/t+z/story.asp?id=1351667

It seems that the buildings obstructing the view next to the new museum are going down after all.


"Αρχαιολογία και αρχιτεκτονική διασταύρωσαν χθες τα ξίφη τους για την υπεράσπιση δύο μνημείων που αντιπροσωπεύουν δύο διαφορετικούς κόσμους, τον αρχαίο και τον νεότερο. Και ο αγώνας κρίθηκε στα πέναλτι. Ισοψήφησαν εκείνοι που ήθελαν τη διατήρηση με τους άλλους που ήθελαν το γκρέμισμα της μίας από τις δύο πολυκατοικίες της Δ. Αρεοπαγίτου (αρ. 17) που κρύβουν τη θέα προς την Ακρόπολη."

The whole article can be found below,it is in Greek. It adopts a rather neutral point of view.

http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=113,id=63973252

That would be a shame to tear down those beautiful buildings. It seems like we always are taking 2 steps forward and 1 step back.

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It would be a far greater shame if they don't tear them down.

Is this what you want to see?:ohno: :bash: :ohno:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z74/LampKiddy/gremiseto.jpg


BTW I don't have any problem with going back one step for every two steps forward. In fact your dilemma can only be countered by taking hundreds of steps forward! Would you rather stand still and go nowhere?

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Thank God the current crop of imbeciles that impede any progress in Greece were not around when the Parthenon was built - otherwise for sure they would have put a stop to it (too expensive, looks weird, stands out too much, etc.)


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Thank God the current crop of imbeciles that impede any progress in Greece were not around when the Parthenon was built - otherwise for sure they would have put a stop to it (too expensive, looks weird, stands out too much, etc.)


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They were around and they did accuse Pericles for all the things you mentioned-too expensive, stands out too much etc.:)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1049/556513734_500c1fdea5_b.jpg
Will be excellent when complete!

Looks great.

I just wish we spent more money on landscaping of the site.

The use of super advanced trees such as those used at OAKA would have been more beneficial in terms of softening the scale of the new building and also providing much needed shade for visitors during the summer months.

I understand the symbolism behind the use of the olive tree, but I must confess that I'm not a big fan when it is used for site landscaping in an urban context....

I happen to think they look good.
It was one of the first things I noticed here.

It's certainly looking good

It looks great!!! Can't wait to see it completed and up close!

Greece may demolish landmarks for Acropolis view
http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL1336187420070713?pageNumber=2
ATHENS, July 13 (Reuters Life!) - Greek activists vowed to stage protests and take legal action to stop the demolition of two historic buildings in order to clear the view from the new Acropolis museum.

The new museum which opens its gates in 2008 after years of delays, is expected to spur on renewed efforts to bring home the Parthenon marbles from the British Museum in London.

The Greek museum is meant to visually connect with the Acropolis but two landmark buildings now appear to be in the way and the national archaeological council (KAS), the main guardian of Greece's cultural heritage, has approved their demolition.

"We will do anything to stop the demolition and probably take our case to the Council of State (one of Greece's top courts)," said Kostas Stamatopoulos, vice president of the Hellenic Society for the Protection of Cultural Heritage.

The Society, neighbors, artists and academics have appealed to KAS to protect the two buildings. One is hailed as a prime example of art deco architecture in Athens, designed by a famous, award-winning architect, and boasts carved statues and mosaics on its facade.

The other nearby building marked for demolition on the expensive pedestrian street which surrounds about half of the Acropolis, belongs to music composer Vangelis Papathanasiou, of Chariots of Fire fame.

The culture ministry, in whose hands the fate of the buildings now hangs, said the minister had not yet made a decision on their demolition.

"The two buildings, although of great importance, hinder the desired unity between the monument and its new museum," a culture ministry official said on condition of anonymity.

KAS decided that the building should be demolished as it blocks the view from the windows of the new Acropolis museum, which is now a more important cultural monument.

Stamatopoulos said the decision was unexpected because retaining the buildings was part of the terms of the architectural competition that started in 1991 for the design of the new Acropolis museum.

"These buildings have been declared historic monuments since the 1970s," he said, vowing street protests and a media campaign.

Legal battles and missed deadlines had plagued the Acropolis museum - a large glass structure perched on thick concrete columns - but finally the project is nearing completion and will be ready in early 2008 to receive up to 10,000 visitors a day.

The museum was built specifically for the Parthenon sculptures, known in Britain as the Elgin marbles after the British diplomat who took them to England around 1800. Greece has campaigned for decades for their return.

If the museum was taller we wouldnt have to demolish these buildings to clear the view of the Acropolis for the museum ... :(

If the museum was taller we wouldnt have to demolish these buildings to clear the view of the Acropolis for the museum ... :(

Exactly...this should have been taken into account BEFORE construction! They knew that these buildings were meant to remain.

Now, they should elevate the viewing area (is it not outside?) so that you can see over the buildings.

Two wrongs do not make a right...not being careful and constructing in a way that obstructs the view of the acropolis and now tearing down the historical buildings does not make this right.

The buildings look like s**t, tear them down and compensate the owners! Enough is enough, the council needs to start taking some control!

The museum is looking nice btw.

;14261640']Exactly...this should have been taken into account BEFORE construction! They knew that these buildings were meant to remain.

Now, they should elevate the viewing area (is it not outside?) so that you can see over the buildings.

Two wrongs do not make a right...not being careful and constructing in a way that obstructs the view of the acropolis and now tearing down the historical buildings does not make this right.


My understanding is that the viewing area is the whole building. Its all made of glass.

They look awful, tear them down!

The same old Greek way of doing a job, wait until the last minute to resolve critical issues. Why do we never learn??? :ohno:

The back looks awful.
I understand that the façade/street frontage looks far nicer.
Any good pics?

Prepei opwsdipote na katedafistoun autes athlies polikatikies.

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It would be a far greater shame if they don't tear them down.

Is this what you want to see?:ohno: :bash: :ohno:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z74/LampKiddy/gremiseto.jpg

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The buildings look like s**t, tear them down and compensate the owners! Enough is enough, the council needs to start taking some control!



The facade of those buildings is gorgeous. Only the back looks awful, because it's not meant to be exposed...it's supposed to be hidden by other buildings on the same block (which were probably torn down). Paris' famous Haussman-style buildings are like this too.

It's too late now, but this should have originally taken this into consideration. I'm not sure if Bernard Tschumi is to blame, or perhaps the municipality/state for not allowing a different desisgn....I don't know who is to blame, but the museum should have fit into its surroundings.

If the buildings are torn down, I'd love to see them rebuilt somewhere else, in place of the concrete 1970s monstrosities (tear some of those down).

The museum itself looks nice.

Totally agree skyduster.

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Yes the rears are ugly, but their fronts are nothing special either. Certainly not special enough to warrant the hysteria of the usual aristerofascistes who want to impose their obsolete & discredited views on the rest of us.

These same people if you cared to ask them would want to rebuild the Berlin wall. The buildings have to go for the greater good. Period.

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Certainly not special enough to warrant the hysteria of the usual aristerofascistes who want to impose their obsolete & discredited views on the rest of us.


Everytime the TV camera's come out in Greece on an issue like this, all the usual morons come out to parade in front of them and show the rest of Greece what great battlers they are for citizens rights. It's nauseating. What's more nauseating is the attention paid to these full-time clowns by the Greek media.:ohno:

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Yes the rears are ugly, but their fronts are nothing special either.
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I don't know these specific buildings, but if they're anything like most of the buildings on Dionysiou Areopagitou street, then they're either 19th-century neoclassical or early-20th art deco...far batter than what most of the city is, anyways.

But...what's done is done. We need to move forward from here.

When TSCHUMI designed the museum he knew the were going to preserve the buildings in the front. The buildings in the rear were always doomed. One cannot come after the construction and say that the buildings are disturbing the views..etc. Then apparently the architects did not do their jobs right. On te situation plan the architects have indicated the planting of trees behind the buildings revealling the ugly back.

I my view they should plant the trees and then remove the top floor on the end building which looks like an ad-on.

BTW. I had taken these pics about 1 1/2 year ago and I feel like adding them in this discussion now:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Classic%20Architecture%20Pictures/DionyssiouAreopagitouBuildings2-sma.jpg


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Athens%20Classic%20Architecture%20Pictures/DionyssiouAreopagitouBuildings1-sma.jpg

...just to give you an indication about the likely facades of the two buildings, although I am not sure if these are the same ones with the object of this discussion.

N.I.C.E. seems to have a point here But there is also the other side, and the discussion goes on in various forums such as inhere --------> http://www.stadia.gr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38&start=700

The point is: Was the demolition of these two buildings an issue at the pre-planning stage? Or did in come forward at a later stage? Of course, it seems that aesthetically speaking, probably the buildings should have been considered for demolition from the beginning. However, if this issue was raised now, then their owners may have a point and one of them, if I recall correctly is the famous Greek composer Vangelis Papathanassiou, a rather influential person if you asked me. So? ....

I love these buildings! I posted a picture of them earlier in this forum.
They are not the buildings in question though.

I just confirmed my worst fear...the building to be demolished is one of my favourites...
I posted an image in the Athens photo thread a few weeks ago...(though my post went unnoticed)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/120/308510487_2ae07187be_o.jpg
The beautiful building on the very left of the image will be demolished!!!

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9333/tobedemolishedyd7.jpg
And here...the two buildings to be destroyed.
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Can they disassemble and move the buildings? Transplant the trees?

Where there is a will, there is a way. :banana:

I suggested that or atleast suggested preserving the facade and moving them down the road.

Νομίζω ότι είναι πραγματικά ... αστείο και τραγικό ταυτοχρόνα το γεγονός οτι θέλουμε ενα μουσείο να μπορεί να "βλέπει" απευθείας τη Ακρόπολη και ταυτόχρονα να είναι και χαμηλό αρκετά ωστέ να μη ... παραβιάζει τον νόμο για το ύψος. Πολύ απλά το μουσείο θα έπρεπε να είναι ψηλότερο, και να μη αναγκαζόμασταν να κάνουμε αυτές τις κατεδαφίσεις.

Τι να πώ ... Πραγματικά σε αυτή τη χώρα πρέπει όλα να τα περιμένεις.

A little off topic, but I found this article and I think it is interesting. Greece wants the Parthenon marbles back from England, but they wont give them back. Now Bulgaria asks Greece for some silver plates back and they say no.

http://www.sofiaecho.com/article/greece-will-not-return-collection-of-unique-plates-to-bulgaria--afp/id_23884/catid_69


GREECE WILL NOT RETURN COLLECTION OF UNIQUE PLATES TO BULGARIA — AFP
10:20 Thu 19 Jul 2007


Greece has no immediate plans to return a collection of unique Byzantine silver plates that are believed to have been illegally exported from Bulgaria.

Last week Bulgaria announced that it had asked for the return of nine solid silver plates acquired by Athens in 2003, Agence France-Presse (AFP) reported.

The plates, which date back to the 14th century, are currently on display in three Greek museums.

Greek museum officials said that a lack of proof that the objects had been smuggled was the reason for their refusal to return them to Bulgaria.

Angelos Delivorias, director of the Benaki Museum in Athens, which is displaying some of the pieces, said if Bulgaria “presents us with evidence showing that these works have been stolen in recent decades, obviously we will hand them over, but for the moment that is not the case”.

^^ Lack of evidence perhaps as the museum stated? There must be some level of protocol for having them returned otherwise everyone will start asking! But I think the situation with the Parthenon marbles is on a whole other level!

Can they disassemble and move the buildings? Transplant the trees?
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I don't think you can transplant Plane trees....as they have a fibrous root system. Furthermore, no one has mentioned the removal of the trees....I see no reason for the trees not staying put.

Is this entire issue an oversight on the architect's behalf ?

Have we known about it since the start of the project ? and if so, why wasn't the design altered to retain these two buildings ?

What does Tsuhami think ? I believe he doesn't mind whether the buildings stay or not.

I personnally don't support the demolition of these two 1930 art deco style buildings. We don't have enought examples of this type of building left in Athens and their loss will further erode the City's architectural heritage.

As mentioned in one of my earlier posts why not remove the uppermost floor of each building....if we want "the new museum to talk to the acropolis".

I think they should go ahead and demolish these buildings. End of story.

It is possible to disassemble those buildings and place them elsewhere. It was built bit by bit and can be removed the same way. It's been done many times before around the world. The old Baltic Exchange in London, which was bombed by the IRA and replaced by the Swiss Re 'Gherkin is one building that has been retained, albeit still in storage, even after being bombed. Captain Cook's original home from England was disassembled and brought to Melbourne.

Whatever happens and looks like it will be cleared, I'm sure someone will salvage those facades. Instead of a win-lose situation, this could be a win-win. C'mon, where is the ingenuity???

It is possible to disassemble those buildings and place them elsewhere. It was built bit by bit and can be removed the same way. It's been done many times before around the world. The old Baltic Exchange in London, which was bombed by the IRA and replaced by the Swiss Re 'Gherkin is one building that has been retained, albeit still in storage, even after being bombed. Captain Cook's original home from England was disassembled and brought to Melbourne.

Whatever happens and looks like it will be cleared, I'm sure someone will salvage those facades. Instead of a win-lose situation, this could be a win-win. C'mon, where is the ingenuity???

Offtopic:
Wasn't that church on Wakefield St in Adelaide brought from Germany?

They could have built the museum at say, 40 meters (that would never close the vision of a 150m hill) and thus retain that beautiful building of early 20th century.

What the heck, why they don't just demolish some of those awful apartment buildings in Kypseli instead of touching that beauty.

I agree with GrigorisSocratis.

Didn't anyone notice that two substantial buildings had to be demolished when the initial plans were being drawn up ? Why has its taken 4 years of construction activity before anyone remembered the the planned demolition of No. 17 and 19 AreoPagitou Street ?

Did this project undergo any form of public exhibition process ? We are required to advertise and seek comments from the public for all major projects in Sydney, are there similar requirements in Athens?

If I was one of those building owners whose home was slated for demolition, I too would be up in arms and be seeking major compensation from the Government.

It seems that this project is typical of what happens in Greece....projects are iniatiatied by numerous agencies, but in the absence of a proper land-use plan or City-wide master plan, no one really understands how all the pieces fit together.

For those interested in this issue and heritage conservation matters in general, I found an interesting article prepared by the Greek Heritage Society on this issue. See link below

http://www.ellinikietairia.gr/?action=read&id=495

Reaperos had posted this picture earlier in the thread. Below you can see the two buildings in question now imagine them torn down. It is a shame I agree and I'm not happy about it either but it is blocking the view from the entrance!

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3717/newmuseumrg4.jpg

Cherry I agree , its clear from the photo, that the two buildings essentially obstruct the main approach to the new museum's entrance.

It's a real shame that these two examples of 1930 architecture have to be be demolished.It would be interesting to know how rare these two buildings are and if there are other similar examples of these buildings along the rest of AreoPagitou St ?

Nevertheless, I don't think the their demolition will go unoticed. There is even talk by some action groups of taking the matter to the high court.

Reaperos had posted this picture earlier in the thread. Below you can see the two buildings in question now imagine them torn down. It is a shame I agree and I'm not happy about it either but it is blocking the view from the entrance!

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3717/newmuseumrg4.jpg

I have been itching to comment on this.

Firstly, these buildings cannot be moved physically and will not be moved. The way they are constructed means it is almost impossible.

Secondly i know this street well, it has a lovely unity in a way in that there is a fairly consistent architectural wall of buildings that are very pleasing to the eye, most deco neo-classical.

They should not be touched and I will try and support anyone who attempts to keep them. This habit in Athens of destroying these type of buildings has always been an horrific nightmare for anyone who appreciates these interesting and beautiful buildings. If Athens had many streets/houses like these, I might support the removal of them, but Athens doesn't and we are in modern times now and destroying these two gems would be an insulting act of cultural vandalism.

@Konstantinpoulos and others. I had a joint account with my girlfriend before under the name Reaperos. I mostly used the account, I think she made only 3 posts in the Madrid section of the Spanish forum (Foro de Rascacielos Españoles). Anyway, we split up, so she changed the password and took the account. So this is me now. Thankyou. V

i actually really like these two buildings. i think a solution would be to rebuild their back side (which is awful, like with so many buildings in Athens that have only one nice side) in a style similar to the front...

Because of this new-buildings-destroying-older-ones mania, Athens is becoming the tsimentoupoli that I hate to admit we already have.

Imagine if they had demolished the buildings of Rue Chanoinesse in the Ile de la Cite in Paris just to clear the view of Notredame from the northern bank of the river.

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Something has to be done to save those buildings.

if they wanted a better view of the Acropolis they should have demolished some of those boring flats in the backround to give it some space and back it up instead of destroying 2 nice looking buildings!

The door of one of the buildings for demolition:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/119/308508797_49270858c4_o.jpg

If they are demolished, they should be rebuilt the same further down the street and IMO, all buildings on Dionysiou Areopagitou should be rebuilt in neo-classical style.

In my life, I have never seen even 1 modern building looking as good as an original classical or deco. Whenever they try and copy there is always mistakes. Wrong size windows, nothing fitting the Golden mean 100%, they always look wrong/. It is all or nothing I am afraid, this building cannot be moved. It cannot be copied unfortunately by todays rules and building standards. It will just be a piece of lost history and culture in a city which has already removed so so much classical/deco/.

Berlin are rebuilding their Stadtschloss.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/Berlin_Stadtschloss_1920er.jpg/800px-Berlin_Stadtschloss_1920er.jpg

Why do we say that we cannot rebuild a very small building just up the road?

Because

1/ No Greek would ever do that, in Greece there is no desire from anyone with money to build a perfect replica anywhere.

2/ Wait until this building is finished and than compare.

Because

1/ No Greek would ever do that, in Greece there is no desire from anyone with money to build a perfect replica anywhere.

2/ Wait until this building is finished and than compare.

Of course it may not be as good but it will be much better than not having it there at all.

I do not understand how reconstructing these two small buildings can be such a big issue (financing aside). We certainly have the materials and know-how to do so! :nuts:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/tacoma/24hour/world/story/124058.html

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Reaper-strain the problem with the article in the New Tribune is that it's biased and one dimensional.

If the New Tribune had also shown this image do you think many people would have an issue with demolishing a half adorned box of a building that blocks the view of the Acropolis museum?


http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z74/LampKiddy/gremiseto.jpg


PS: Don't you just love those art-deco airconditioners?


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I am sorry. I know the buildings well and the site. I would keep them. The reason I posted the link is to show the Greeks who also want to keep them, for example the architect who lives in one of them. These buildings imo is important to keep.

Sklavenitis, posting a picture of the back view of the buildings to convince us that they need demolishing is not fair. And of course the air-conditions are not art deco - the building is.
I cannot imagine how a world famous architect, like Mr. Tsumi, would design a building that need demolitions of other buildings to fit into its place. When an architect starts designing, he takes into consideration the surrounding environment and how his building will fit into the extisting urban plan. I guess the competition rules must have given the participants reassurances that all surrounding buildings would be torn down, without letting them know what kind of buildings they were. This kind of disrespect for architecture and history has made Athens what it is today. Shame.

That's what usually happens when you have an unenlightened client i.e the Greek State.

Don't blame the architect.....where was the City Council, Director of Antiquities and Acropolis Ephorate, Ministry of Public Works, Local media, surrouding residents.....?

It is mind bogling to think that this project started under so much fanfare any yet no one asked the most important question :- What was going to happen to those two buildings between the Makrigianni site and the acropolis.....

To make matters worse....both buildings have been listed as heritage items by the Greek State for several decades......go figure.

And here is an article from Reuters confirming the Minister for Culture's decision to demolish the two listed properties to improve views from the new museum towards the Acropolis.

Visit link below:-

http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL1268638420070912

Sad but true.

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The minister made the correct decision to demolish the two buildings that block the museums view of the acropolis. :)

I am happy that a Greek minister had the nerve to make a difficult & unpopular decision without succumbing to the usual aristerofascist mobs that rule Greece.

It’s unfortunate these two buildings have to be demolished, however it would have been far worse if they were not.



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Another sad day for Greece's most pathetic record of protecting its Architectural heritage.

:ohno: i liked those buildings.....so was it really necessary to demolish them...did they really bloke the view from the museum....?

Yet another sad day to be a Greek.
But I do not blame the minister, I blame the poor decision to design the building in a way that these buildings needed to be demolished (of course they ruined the view from the museum but this is the fault of the museums design and not the fault of the innocent buildings).

I realize this is probably a stupid question, but did they every consider putting the museum on a platform of some type to raise it's elevation a couple of stories? Even one story might be enough to raise eye level to where they didn't have to raze the buildings.

I mean, they did survey this site prior to making the plans didn't they??? :ohno:

They couldn't build a platform or anything like that, coz on the foundations there are ancient ruins of a hellenistic and roman filosofic school.....So no platform or anything like that could have been built because the ruins would have been damaged....Now they are clearly visible, as a part of the museum is the basement where these ruins are exhibited......

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleftheriag/1393356688/

Looks Nice!!

^^ very functional and tidy museum, though it lacks of character, in my opinion .:) i guess it focus more on the way the national treasures are observed and react with eachother.

It's a shame to knock down the buildings, but as long as they're going to do that they might consider putting in a small garden or Arboretum. Athens needs more green, and what better place for it than the Parthenon Museum!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleftheriag/1393356688/

Looks Nice!!

The front portico looks stupid.

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1266/1393356688_b6519669a4.jpg?v=0

Do my eyes deceive me or is that a garage on the left at the front entrance of the museum?


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Thats a small chapel that is being renovated.You can see it more clearly here:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1049/556513734_500c1fdea5_b.jpg