Still no construction.

February 1st
http://tinypic.com/1ijr6g
March 2nd
http://tinypic.com/1zuc6p
April 3rd
http://tinypic.com/2khrp5
May 2nd The nice cam is out of work >_<
http://tinypic.com/4tnk1y

Nice webcam!

very nice considering its a webcam!

world trade cneter 7 should be done next year (if you recall, it was the third builging that collapsed on september 11, about 6 or 7 hours after the second tower collapsed. i think fiery debris or fiery airplane parts caused a fire in the building which slowly malted the infrastructure)

Around 1 month later. Something is going on.
I hope they really starting to build this building.

http://tinypic.com/1zuc6p

between that month... What have they done? Moved a plank or something?!?!?! That should try speeding up the construction.. vrrrrrroooooooooooooooooooooom...

1. doesn't this belong in P & C?
2. from what i've read, there's structural support issues w/the antenna/spire going into the framed part of the spire, and that also relates to the off angled twisting feature of what was Liebeskind's, now Childs', design.

personally, i want a new twin towers, even if not the same design, then at least a twin (or like One and Two Liberty Place in Philly, a complementary related design.)

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between that month... What have they done? Moved a plank or something?!?!?! That should try speeding up the construction.. vrrrrrroooooooooooooooooooooom...

There are visible changes.

http://tinypic.com/1zunax

The pic is from today
http://tinypic.com/2khrp5

is that the outline of the towers?? squares near the ramp????

wow, so nothing has happened in almost a year.

Is there any word onto when they want to start construction?

Is the cornerstone visible in that pic? Where is it?

I hate the name...'Freedom Tower'

Come on....how stupid is that!?

^Well it has a special place in my heart :lol:

Is it too late to change the design? Pleeeze...

Hey, they said they broke ground, so obviously it's under construction.

Now, all of you shut up and get back to watching NASCAR and reality TV! This is official business here, and is too complex for you simple commoners to understand. :sleepy:



As if we didn't all know that the "groundbreaking" was a sham... :bash:

It makes you start to wonder if it's going to still look like those photos a decade from now, doesn't it.

Site hasn't changed at all. Nontheless, it's a huge site.

They are building it in Ultra-Slow motion to build up public anticipation, so people would be begging the building to go up, even though most people don't like the design.

im starting to like it, maybe it is just because of the stupid long build up, but i looked at a render the other day and finally thought 'i like that' rather then the usual 'what the fuck' Think they're gonna wait till everyones forgotton the competition and more people will start liking it

maybe they'r consulting a redesign of a height increase. This is quite possible as i watched a documentary on all the designs of the site, and one man said, 'This is going to be the tallest building ever to go up on earth....we'll get there one way or another'. As usual, America has to be home to the tallest building in the world, so since Burj Dubai towers over the 'freedom tower', i think its unlikely they'r gonna build the building thats gonna be the 2nd tallest in the world. Otherwise a long long wait for construction will be a waste:)

Emporis says Freedom Tower is approved, but in the Skyscraperpage diagram, it's status is "construction".

http://skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=7788

maybe they'r consulting a redesign of a height increase. This is quite possible as i watched a documentary on all the designs of the site, and one man said, 'This is going to be the tallest building ever to go up on earth....we'll get there one way or another'. As usual, America has to be home to the tallest building in the world, so since Burj Dubai towers over the 'freedom tower', i think its unlikely they'r gonna build the building thats gonna be the 2nd tallest in the world. Otherwise a long long wait for construction will be a waste:)

Trust me, even if it ever becomes world's tallest, Dubai will build a taller one for the sake of it and to highlight it's ever growing status.

If its going to be build at all, build a real building dont put some structure on top, its just like wearing a hat to appear taller. Build something like US7 in Hong Kong, that's the way to do it to claim as the tallest building on earth.

This building is not even going to top 70 floors !

indeed, freedom tower would be one of my favorite towers if it was full all the way to the top, but making a tower like this and claiming it to be energy efficent (by adding wind turbines? :P hah) when the extra materials they put on the buildings plus the whauling of it there plus all the work hours just shows how damn dumb it is...

True, its really a race to the skies.

The winning design is nothing fantastic. Its just a cheap way to win back the title. Hope they choose another design which will be credible enough to capture the hearts of the diehard skyscraper fans.

Or else it will not win any respect from ppl here !

the height wont change, 1776feet is the height for reasons of huge significance to americans... the day us brits got bored of them!

it will also not be the tallest as SOM are building both and have said explicitly that it will not beat the burj.

i just want it to start going up, its supposed to be a statement after 9/11, at the moment all they're saying is that we're scared!

I think the design is kinda cool... granted it wont be the greatest design i've ever seen, but its unique. i cant help but wonder to myself "wtf" that its not going to top 70 stories... what do they even plan to do with all that extra space?


two large pics i found:

http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/freedom_tower_chrysler.jpg

http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/freedom_tower_night.jpg

It would be unique if they ever finish it..

why there is no construction (jet)?

Maybe they are still fighting for the final design!

Who knows what they are doing. Maybe they will do something crazy, like surprise us! :happy:

It would be very ironic if the Freedom Tower were to be destroyed shortly after completion. Ironic, but sad none the less.

I for one see nothing truly wrong with the Freedom Tower. True, it does not do the original WTC justice, but it is still OK.

I hate the name...'Freedom Tower'

Come on....how stupid is that!?

Yes, I hate the name too. Also I'm glad there's no construction, I want to see the Twin Towers back, not the Freedom Tower.

The Burj Dubai is going to beat it anyway. I think that any redevelopment of WTC needs to have two towers and a memorial at the top levels. After all the people were tragically killed in the sky so the memorial should be at the top. Is it just me or is Libeskind obsessed with crystals?

I think that the number of tower do not have nothing to do with the memorial. The memorial should be a different building, monument or museum, call it like you want.
Redevelopment towers shouls answer another needs.

cmon people....dont care about the name...respect the people who died on 9/11....theyre not building this skyscraper just to get the name FREEDOM TOWERS iun the top 10 list again....they wanna build a memorial...a strong huge memorial

The "Freedom Tower"...the name is not only a sham, but an insult to all the dead victims and the people who loved them.

nice pictures

It's pure garbage. Being pushed by a bunch of ass-kissing, balless, politicians (You know who you are!)! It's an insult to us Americans and a slap in the face to the nation!

A design competition by oligarchs.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/digitaljoe/freedom_tower_1.jpg

It's going to be magnificent and I really am looking forward to the day when it is completed. As far as construction, I'm sure it's begun....there are alot of things to take care of before it goes skyward, underneath the ground....

We might get some new renderings of a modified design. Here's what was stated on Curbed:

SOM [Skidmore, Owings and Merrill] is ready to pull the trigger and release drawings of Freedom Tower without Libeskind's dumb stick on top. Can we start calling it One Vesey?

I think one thing every one seems to forget is that there are still three, possibly four building sites left, who's to say that a 5.2 million sq.ft. 2,550', 215 story office, hotel tower won't go up on one of those blocks, (I doubt it will happen.) but my point is this, those sites have to at least makeup the remaining original lost office space, which after you subtract 7 WTC at about 1 million sq.ft. (the new one) and the Freedom tower, at about 2.3 million sq.ft. (if ever built) that leaves about 8 million sq.ft. left to be built. (I think lost space was around the 12 million sq.ft. mark) this could amount to some very large and tall buildings, even another twin tower development.......there are still windows for a number of directions this reconstruction can go, and the 8 million sq. ft. window is a big one...........

I agree with EDDYK. The name Freedom Tower is not original. I maen the empire state building is a good name. But Freedom Tower is crap.

I dislike the name aswell, and hate the design. I will never, EVER call this building the "Freedom Tower" -- it will be 1WTC to me.

I really hope SOMETHING happens that gets a major design revision or a new design.

the height wont change, 1776feet is the height for reasons of huge significance to americans... the day us brits got bored of them!

You're right about one thing, that number will stay. However, it's more like the day the strongest nation on Earth got defeated by uneducated farmers armed with sub par and scarce weaponry, no training and no money.

I dislike the name aswell, and hate the design. I will never, EVER call this building the "Freedom Tower" -- it will be 1WTC to me.

I really hope SOMETHING happens that gets a major design revision or a new design.



You're right about one thing, that number will stay. However, it's more like the day the strongest nation on Earth got defeated by uneducated farmers armed with sub par and scarce weaponry, no training and no money.

The strongest nation on earth was more interested in the spice islands - they were strategically important, as opposed to uneducated farmers. Who got a bit of help from the French. I digress.

Freedom Tower - I quite like it. I understand Liebeskind incorporated some interesting features into the design of the entire plaza - such as making specific alignments with the sun at the exact date and time of the collapse of each tower - a bit like a modern day stonehenge. Or am I wrong?

Oh I like the name Freedom Tower...whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this building will stand for a whole lot more than being an office building for generations to come over the next centuries. It stands on sacred ground now and represents a great deal.

It's too bad they are building a piece of trash like that on sacred ground.

i want foster's 'kiss' proposal BACK. NOW!!!!

^ You and I both.

I like the Freedom Tower. However, I hate that name with a passion.

Just call it The Manhattan.

Don't get me wrong, i like the Norman Foster proposal also, however i'm not convinced about this structure until i see a set of structural drawings or plans of it's framing system, based on what i've seen, (proposal renderings) i'm not convinced that it will actually stand. it looks to "flimsy". However out of the last of the chosen proposals my vote went to Richard Meier, I think his proposal did the best to capture the banal majesty and scale of the originals, without looking like them. (even better if they were slightly taller than 88 storys). I think the proposal would have been quite striking on the skyline, esp. at night.

The Foster towers were not in any way flimsy, actually. Each is made up of 3 sections, and the walls of those sections consist of 3 outward-leaning triangles and 3 inward-leaning triangles. The crookedness is just an illusion that comes from the way the middle section of each tower is shifted 60 degrees around, but the structure is completely balanced.

It's too bad they are building a piece of trash like that on sacred ground.

Agreed...

however all I've seen so far is a cartoon rendering, maybe my thoughts will change once it is built and I see it REALLY looks like. I'm not holding my breath.

The name is absolute garbage though. A purpetual reminder of a lowlife administration that uses words like freedom to brainwash the simpletons.

^ soooooooooooooooo true, they should not be allowed to use freedom tower as the name of the building, or use the word freedom before another word at all for that matter (freedom fries, freedom toast etc...). PROPAGANDA

indeed /\

Me i have this game....me and my friend watch ever george bush speech...and whenever hes says feedom or fee...we take a shot!

Hes just buttering you up....I mean...most countries on this planet are just as fee...but the US seems to be the only one going on about it!

Me i have this game....me and my friend watch ever george bush speech...and whenever hes says feedom or fee...we take a shot!

Most people would be dead of alcohol poisoning within 10 minutes if they tried that.

I of course agree that the structural system in the Foster proposal is balanced and sound. one of the things about Foster's work that i find most interesting is his use of geometry, (esp. triangles) as part of the structural aspect, as well as the aesthetics of his buildings. what i meant to say is it "looks" flimsy or gives the "illusion" of it.(that must have been the word i was looking for, Islander!!) I find the design outstanding, (not just becouse it was the tallest of the proposals) and highly interesting from a geometeric standpoint, but i think personally that "strength" is one of the formost things i would consider in a WTC replacment design, and this one, (tho very close) does not quite fill the bill.

(Double Post)

indeed /\

Me i have this game....me and my friend watch ever george bush speech...and whenever hes says feedom or fee...we take a shot!

Hes just buttering you up....I mean...most countries on this planet are just as fee...but the US seems to be the only one going on about it!

They should've named it "Ground Zero Tower" or something which more accurately reflects what it represents.

To me Using the word freedom like the way it is currently being used (and they way it inspires overzealous nationalism in many) is just like portraits of Saddam or Kim Jong Il on every building--and to further propagate it on the site where nearly 3,000 people lost their lives is evidence on how non-free the US is becoming.

indeed /\

Me i have this game....me and my friend watch ever george bush speech...and whenever hes says feedom or fee...we take a shot!

Hes just buttering you up....I mean...most countries on this planet are just as fee...but the US seems to be the only one going on about it!

Exactly, its fucking pathetic. Ok, the US is a more free country than Iraq under Saddam, wow! To go on and on about freedom is just so fuckin lame, and I bet a lot of Americans now truely believe that they live in the only free country in the world or something, for fuck's sake!!

Freedom Tower is such a gay name its unreal, almost worse than freedom fries. :) :)

The only true free people to ever walk on the soil of America were the native american indians. Now the people can't even walk down the street smoking a cigerette! :lock:

NY Times

Security Issues Force a Review at Ground Zero

May 1, 2005
By PATRICK D. HEALY and WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM

Security concerns outlined last month by the New York Police Department have set off a serious reassessment of plans for the World Trade Center site. People involved in the rebuilding effort say that the revisions that need to be made to the site's most prominent feature, the Freedom Tower, could delay the start of construction from several months to a year.

As a result, the lead developer at the site, Larry Silverstein, has proposed seeking public financing - possibly hundreds of millions of dollars - to pay for addressing the Police Department's security concerns. Such a development would be a significant shift for a project that has relied largely on private insurance money.

In addition, the Police Department's most recent security analysis has moved those involved in the rebuilding effort to examine yet again what might be done to safeguard the site and the people visiting it, if plans go forward to reopen the area's street grid.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the site, and the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, the agency set up to direct the rebuilding, had each hired security consultants to assess the safety of the plans for the site. But it is clear that the Police Department's assessment was more disturbing.

Indeed, interviews in the past week show that David Childs, the lead designer of the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, has already begun rethinking fundamental elements of what is planned to be the successor to the twin towers: its precise location on the 16-acre site - long planned for the northwest corner - and its distance from heavily traveled West Street.

The redesigned tower is expected to look different from the current model familiar to the public, but it is too early to characterize the extent of the changes, according to a person who has been briefed on the development team's concerns.

It is clear, however, that three and a half years after the 9/11 attack, and 16 months after the tower's design was unveiled, police officials, unintentionally or not, have set off a storm of blame and accusations.

George E. Pataki, who views the Freedom Tower as his greatest legacy as governor, is said by state officials to be angry with the police, and some of those officials have accused the department of having been late in laying out the scope of its concerns. They say the effect could unduly worry New Yorkers and possible tenants of the buildings. Mr. Pataki did not reply to an interview request.

At the same time, some state and development officials are angry at the Bloomberg administration, saying it should have delivered the police concerns earlier, but may have been distracted by its proposal for a stadium for the Jets on the Far West Side of Manhattan.

Daniel L. Doctoroff, the deputy mayor for economic development and rebuilding, dismissed that assertion as silly and said that the city and the police had devoted enormous time to assessing the site's security with the latest intelligence and counterterrorism data.

"This is a remarkably complex security question, and every time you turn one dial, you end up turning many other dials on the security issue," Mr. Doctoroff said.

Mr. Pataki said last November that major work on the foundation for the Freedom Tower would begin in February this year, with steel and concrete to arrive last month.

Neither has happened; the tower was to be completed by 2009.

Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly would not be interviewed about the department's security assessment, a multipage document that was given to Mr. Silverstein and the development agency on April 8. Other officials involved in the security discussions said that the department had raised concerns since at least last summer, but that the other camps involved in planning had not provided detailed information on which to make an assessment.

Paul J. Browne, the department's deputy commissioner for public information, said, "We understand that the Police Department's security concerns will be addressed in any redesign."

According to state officials who have reviewed the department's concerns, the police, most simply, do not see the tower as a normal commercial building; from the police's point of view, the officials say, the tower would replace the trade center, felled by terrorists, with a patriotic symbol that could be a new target. Heightening the concern is the fact that hundreds of uninspected 18-wheel trucks would rumble by the tower daily.

That the police concerns are only now front and center, though, has exasperated senior development officials, many of whom fear that the mere public discussion of security worries could damage what they regard as a hard-won optimism about the site's future.

"I don't want to say the police have been irresponsible, but where were they until this month?" said John C. Whitehead, a Pataki ally and chairman of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation. "I wish they had called attention to the seriousness of the problems earlier, rather than at this late stage."

All of the principals involved at ground zero, from the politicians to the builders, remain keenly determined to make the Freedom Tower as secure as possible. But the degree of concern about the site's vulnerability clearly varies, and almost everyone involved in the rebuilding effort wonders if there ever could be a perfect formula for balancing security needs with civic ambitions at a site that has been attacked twice.

The police, for their part, want the tower built to conform with security criteria based on standards used by the Department of Defense and other federal agencies, which would require the tower to be as much as 100 feet away from the street.

The site plan now calls for a minimum distance of 25 feet. The desire for greater distance is based on an analysis of the impact of a large blast.

Over the last year, according to state officials involved in the project, security specialists at the Police Department suggested some provocative but relatively impractical ideas: ideally moving the Freedom Tower some 200 feet away from the street, for example, or moving the tower to another part of the site altogether.

A government official involved in the security deliberations, echoing others, suggested that "basically nothing can satisfy" the police. But the official also acknowledged that the Freedom Tower inescapably required a security plan unlike that for almost any other building in the United States, given the site's hallowed ground and history.

"Here's the dilemma," the official said. "If you put too much security into the building, it's going to look like Fort Knox and no one will rent it. If you don't put enough, it could end up with catastrophic results."

The arguments over the months have included thinking imaginatively about security. Last summer, government officials at ground zero spoke with former security specialists from MI-5, Britain's domestic intelligence service, who advised that future attacks by terrorists would most likely come not in the form of a truck bomb, but rather with biological or chemical weapons.

"These guys were laughing at us, at the idea that Jersey barriers and bollards would protect the tower when terrorists have become more sophisticated," said one official involved in the redevelopment project.

Some have already begun to reimagine: Daniel Libeskind, the master planner for the site, has drawn up new sketches on his own to show that the tower could be moved between 40 and 140 feet from West Street/Route 9A in order to solve police concerns.

Mr. Libeskind played down the significance of the redesign, which will be done by Mr. Childs.

Not surprisingly, some people involved in the rebuilding are urging calm, suggesting that security was inevitably going to cause delays for a grand civic project with so many elements, including a memorial for Sept. 11 victims, a performing arts center, and new office towers.

"It's all been very quiet, as it should be, because these are very delicate matters and you don't want to advertise them to the world," Robert Yaro, president of the Regional Plan Association, an influential private research group, said of the behind-the-scenes security discussions. "But it's all coming to a head around the design of the Freedom Tower."

Depending on who is talking, security concerns have loomed over the site since late 2001, and were discussed in fits and starts for years, competing for attention with other issues, like the memorial competition.

But in the last several months, as the start of construction neared, the security talks intensified.

"The police would say, 'Based on our knowledge and our intelligence, we think you can do more to make the building safer,' " said one official involved in the security discussions. "We would say, 'Tell us what.' The cops would say, 'We're not engineers.' We would say, 'O.K., tell us what we need to tell our engineers to protect against.' And it became this long, drawn-out back and forth."

The talks came to a head at a one point several weeks ago when the parties met with officials of the Wall Street firm Goldman Sachs to discuss its proposed 40-story headquarters, just to the northwest of the Freedom Tower.

Stunning many in the room, Goldman representatives showed a film of a vehicle, packed with more than 10,000 pounds of explosive material, blowing up and leaving a huge crater. While some participants viewed the film as an insensitive move by Goldman, it also prompted discussion about the amount of explosives that the buildings would be protected against. At that moment, the talks moved toward clearer standards for "hardening" buildings to blasts.

One government official said that as the police concerns became more apparent, the breadth of their issues took many people aback.

In addition to the distance from the street, the official said, "there is the strength of the glass, the strength and the thickness of the concrete walls."

"The way the building is constructed will determine how many casualties there will be if a bomb of X size is blown off at Y location," the official said.

Just how radical the revisions to the tower will be is far from clear. Some officials said the altered design, in the end, might not look different to the eye.

But it is also possible that changes could be so significant that a new environmental impact statement might be needed, according to one person who has been briefed on some redesign elements.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/05/01/nyregion/01security_graphic.gif

Not good for you New Yorkers, but anyways, safety comes before all.

It`s time for a update.

Somehow the nice Webcam is out of work >_<
All pics together are on page one.

http://tinypic.com/4tnk1y

Doesn't really matter what's happening on the site though, the tower is back on the drawing board, the location may be moved, there's not much progress to be made.

Doesn't really matter what's happening on the site though, the tower is back on the drawing board, the location may be moved, there's not much progress to be made.
I started it so i will upload a pic every month to the very end, sorry ;)

I started it so i will upload a pic every month to the very end, sorry ;)

Oh ok, that's cool. Will be interesting to see the evolution, beginning to end.

Head of Ground Zero Redevelopment to Quit
AP

By KAREN MATTHEWS, Associated Press Writer
Tue May 3, 6:16 AM ET



NEW YORK - The president of a city-state agency charged with rebuilding ground zero after the 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center will leave his post at the end of the month.

Lower Manhattan Development Corp. President Kevin Rampe, a close associate of Gov. George Pataki, announced Monday that he will next take a position with the insurance firm ACE Ltd.

"It has been both an honor and a privilege to work on the rebuilding of Lower Manhattan and the recovery of our nation," said Rampe, who will continue to serve as a director of the foundation charged with raising money for the memorial at the trade center site.

Rampe said his announcement was not related to recent turmoil over the design of the 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, whose planned 2009 opening could be pushed back as much as a year because of security concerns.

"This is something that's been in the works for a few months," Rampe said. "It's the right thing for my family and myself."

Rampe, 38, joined the development corporation in March 2002 as executive vice president and general counsel. He has been its president since March 2003.

Rampe served earlier as first deputy superintendent and chief operating officer of the New York State Insurance Department and as Pataki's senior legal adviser on insurance, banking, civil justice, worker's compensation and labor matters.

Also on Monday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said it would be better to delay the opening of the Freedom Tower than to dismiss concerns raised by the Police Department.

"In 1993 there was a bombing at the World Trade Center and we did not learn our lesson," Bloomberg said. "If we don't learn our lesson this time, shame on us."

The cornerstone for the Freedom Tower was laid July 4, 2004, but police concerns raised in an assessment that was given to developer Larry Silverstein last month have forced the building's architects to rethink elements of the structure including its precise location on the 16-acre site.
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050503/ap_on_re_us/attacks_redevelopment;_ylt=Ap1.aLnJkICobL5rqpHBsg5G2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Hey on cnn they're now saying that the freedom tower is being redesigned

Awesome! I think the thing needed to be redesigned anyway.

Hey on cnn they're now saying that the freedom tower is being redesigned
I hope they completely trash the current design and flush the plans down the toilet. They should build a proper supertall with at least 100 occupiable floors.

^ I agree


anyway, i'm very lazy to read - will this redesign to accommodate for security concerns mean a discernible redesign in the tower? the article says it'll be different looking - but that's relative anyway. will the 'redesign' simply be an extra fire escape here, an insulated wall there?

i was already wondering why there were no news about the construction

but does this mean the tower will completely be redesigned? or just a part of it?

very strange!

^ I agree


anyway, i'm very lazy to read - will this redesign to accommodate for security concerns mean a discernible redesign in the tower? the article says it'll be different looking - but that's relative anyway. will the 'redesign' simply be an extra fire escape here, an insulated wall there?

My guess is that the tower will be slimmer at the base instead very wide as it currently is to prevent the truckbomb security issue. This could mean straightening out the tower completely from top to bottom rather than the curvy proportion we see right now (as the tower rises it gets thinner.)

Childs never liked the spire, don't be surprised if it's removed. Aesthetically (facade wise), I don't think there's any issue as the bracing always seems to be a safe choice. Childs preferred more lattice to be added, so we might see that.

The redesign will again be a disappointment, no doubt IMO. How it will look depends on exactly who is involved in the redesign. Will it be all David Childs? More Libeskind involvement? I don't think it will be a collaboration like last time, as you can see all the fights that occurred with a horrible product to show for it.

This has only a read: More delays!

All this fussing about almost seems like they are afraid of the rebuild as they know it is a huge responsibility. Although I don't like the design I really think they need to rebuild the site to help move New York on from the attacks! The open wound of the site needs patching and healing just like a wound on a person.

wow, they've really managed to suck all the L__E out of this sacred spot, haven't they??

bring back Foster!!!

http://img109.exs.cx/img109/2642/timemagazinehoax7oo.jpg

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?...w90XK0&refer=us
New York Freedom Tower to Be Redesigned for Security Concerns

May 4 (Bloomberg) -- New York's Freedom Tower, the tallest skyscraper planned for the site of the destroyed World Trade Center, will have to be redesigned to address security issues raised by the city's police department, Governor George Pataki said.

Skidmore Owings & Merrill architect David Childs, who did the current design, will work with trade center leaseholder Larry Silverstein and police officials to ``come up with yet another magnificent design that will once again inspire the nation and serve as a fitting tribute to freedom,'' Pataki said in an e- mailed press release. He said the process should take ``the next several weeks.''

Police officials last month presented concerns that the 1,776-foot tower as Childs had designed it would be vulnerable to a truck bomb if its exterior remained 25 feet from West Street, a six-lane highway that runs west of the site. The trade center was destroyed by terrorists flying hijacked jetliners on Sept. 11, 2001.

Pataki and others acknowledged that addressing those concerns could delay the start of construction. The New York Times on May 1 cited people involved with the project who weren't named as saying the completion could be pushed back as much as a year. Foundation work was supposed to start this year, with completion by 2009.

To contact the reporter on this story:
David M. Levitt in New York at dlevitt@bloomberg.net.

The ironic thing: it will be called "the freedom tower" but if the public tries to photograph it they'll be arrested on terrorism charges. I predict the security will be so tight, that any visitors will feel like they're in a prison.

^ Good point. The security will probably be even more excessive than a prision.

I'd rather it not be built then.....they should just make a monument to honor the ones lost...its fitting and more practical...they can just build more office towers somewhere else...

Thinking is the old word

I kinda like the idea of having those twins back. Taller and more secure!

I still think they should let Foster design it instead.

NY POST

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2 YEARS OF WTC PLANS LIE IN RUINS AS PATAKI ORDERS A NEW TOWER

By TOM TOPOUSIS


May 5, 2005 -- It's back to the drawing board for the Freedom Tower at Ground Zero.

Gov. Pataki yesterday ordered up a complete redesign of the planned signature skyscraper in the wake of Police Department warnings about security risks.

The move is a major reversal of Pataki's promise to move rapidly to restore lower Manhattan's skyline with an "iconic" post-9/11 tower that would be the world's tallest building and a symbol of liberty.

Officials familiar with the decision say a new design by architect David Childs is expected within several weeks and will include a building that will rise 1,776 feet, like the original proposal from April 2003, but otherwise will "look a lot different."

Pataki's announcement followed a meeting yesterday with Mayor Bloomberg, the Police Department, developer Larry Silverstein and officials from the Port Authority and the Lower Manhattan Development Corp.

"What emerged from the meeting was a renewed commitment to realization of the Freedom Tower as a bold symbol of the rebuilding," read a Pataki statement.

"A consensus also emerged that a new design for the Freedom Tower is required in order to meet NYPD's security standards."

Pataki said the new design would remain consistent with architect Daniel Libeskind's master plan for the World Trade Center site.

The NYPD delivered a report to Silverstein on April 8, citing its concerns with security at the tower. Among those concerns was that it could be vulnerable to a truck bomb because of its proximity to West Street and the mostly glass construction of the lower stories.

Sources have told The Post top NYPD brass had been pressing the Port Authority for nearly a year about their concerns regarding the safety of the building, which because of its planned height and symbolic nature could be a target of terrorists.

The NYPD report, which both identified problems and solutions, was sent early last month — finally forcing a second look at the Freedom Tower.

Charles Gargano, Pataki's top economic adviser and a vice chairman of the Port Authority, said: "I don't want to get into the blame thing. We have to move forward."

While the Freedom Tower will take longer to finish, Gargano stressed that other projects, including construction of the transit hub and the memorial, are all on time.

When Pataki laid the cornerstone for the Freedom Tower on July 4, he said the building would be done by 2009. Rebuilding officials now say the completion of the tower will be delayed by up to a year.

Silverstein, who has yet to line up a single tenant, called yesterday's meeting productive.

"It is crystal clear that we all share one goal: delivering a spectacular and secure Freedom Tower as quickly as possible," he said.

The Freedom Tower will remain in the same northwest corner of the World Trade Center site overlooking West Street, but it will be moved slightly away from the street to better protect it from potential car bombs.

Another expected design change involves the lower 150 to 200 feet of the tower, now largely glass, that will have to be better protected.

Libeskind yesterday seemed resigned to the changes.

"Security is clearly the paramount concern," he said. "While the shape and details of buildings may change, the intent, spirit and direction of the master plan remains intact."

Any tension between City Hall and Albany about improved security was downplayed.

At a town a town-hall meeting in Brooklyn last night, Bloomberg said, "We made some major progress today in terms of satisfying the demands of the Police Department that this building be really safe."

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, whose district includes Ground Zero, blasted both Pataki and Bloomberg.

"The lack of coordination and cooperation by the governor and the mayor has cost us months of delay and resulted in the decision by Goldman Sachs to consider other locations for their headquarters," he fumed.

Goldman Sachs had proposed a massive headquarters across West Street from the Freedom Tower site, but pulled out recently over concerns about security.

But Sen. Charles Schumer, who has been pounding his fist for faster action on lower Manhattan, yesterday lauded Pataki and Bloomberg for "moving quickly and decisively."

He said there had been "a change in attitude" among leaders about the project, which came from public pressure.

^WOW!!!!!^ :eek2:

Haha good it was a terrible design to start with the best new New York wanted i tell ya!

they cancelled the freedom tower?

Good news - let's hope that NYC gets a tower worthy of such a gr8 city. Here's hoping that we aren't dissappointed with the new design. Hold thumbs !

Here is to hope.

I hope they make a better design for that tower now.

For the love of God CHANGE THE NAME!!! Freedom Tower??? It sounds like something that redneck President thought up after several months of concentrated thinking. :bash:

I hate annoying names too...

For the love of God CHANGE THE NAME!!! Freedom Tower??? It sounds like something that redneck President thought up after several months of concentrated thinking. :bash:

lmao.. comming from a guy named "Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm"

lmao.. comming from a guy named "Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm"

Come on, it is a pretty ingenious name... not

no matter what they build it will never overshadow the legendary twin towers.

^ That's why I don't like any design that includes hollow glass towers. It would be a constant reminder of 9/11 built into the skyline. They need to build a "normal" looking tower, not one of these greiving memorials in the sky. :)

Ah...this is a good 'I told you so' moment for me.

How could a building like the Freedom Tower be built without an overwhelming approval but a rather overwhelming public disgust and indifference.
Not rushing into construction of this embarrassing structure was inevitable. Hopefully the redesigned product will generate the excitement as seen for SWFC or Union Square...but I'm doubtful of that.

Ah...this is a good 'I told you so' moment for me.

How could a building like the Freedom Tower be built without an overwhelming approval but a rather overwhelming public disgust and indifference.
Not rushing into construction of this embarrassing structure was inevitable. Hopefully the redesigned product will generate the excitement as seen for SWFC or Union Square...but I'm doubtful of that.

When you're asking for the collective opinion of 280 million US Citizens, you're never going to get close to a majority liking it. :)

And as far as "excitement" over projects go... after Burj Dubai's topped out in 2009, the rest of these sub-2000 foot projects just aren't going to be the same as they once were.

I'm wondering what the deal is here ...okay, we've sort of lucked out now that we know there is hope again for something beautiful and exciting to be built but I just have to know : What did the average New Yorker actually think about the now scrapped design?

The reason I ask is because, well, if the average New Yorker thought it was just great then there's a pretty good chance that you'll get something very similar after the re-design is presented. I don't recall seeing anything in the re-design articles about how the original plan was scrapped because of overwhelming public rejection for it's look.

So come on New York forumers...be honest, what did the majority of New Yorker's have to say about the now-scrapped design ?

maybe they'r consulting a redesign of a height increase. This is quite possible as i watched a documentary on all the designs of the site, and one man said, 'This is going to be the tallest building ever to go up on earth....we'll get there one way or another'. As usual, America has to be home to the tallest building in the world, so since Burj Dubai towers over the 'freedom tower', i think its unlikely they'r gonna build the building thats gonna be the 2nd tallest in the world. Otherwise a long long wait for construction will be a waste:)

From Hans Nettens High-Rise Pages
http://www.xs4all.nl/~hnetten/freedomtower-burjdubaitower.html
The High-Rise Pages has received a so far unconfirmed message from a designer from a large US architect firm who claims that Freedom Tower is secretly being redesigned to make sure it will be taller than Burj Dubai Tower.
They'd be crazy to try - Burj Dubai will just jack up their height mid construction, as it's been designed to do. Plus, as others have said 1776 has special significance. Not gunna happen, but interesting still. Wonder who his source was? Is Hans Netten a member of SSC?

Tower redesigned again? I wonder how would it look like!

When you're asking for the collective opinion of 280 million US Citizens, you're never going to get close to a majority liking it. :)

And as far as "excitement" over projects go... after Burj Dubai's topped out in 2009, the rest of these sub-2000 foot projects just aren't going to be the same as they once were.

Democracy has its own decisions ro make, but when their leaders are in confusion, it becomes a much bigger decision

i think they'll end up making a very pathetic scraper after so much fuss and loosing so much time

The High-Rise Pages has received a so far unconfirmed message from a designer from a large US architect firm who claims that Freedom Tower is secretly being redesigned to make sure it will be taller than Burj Dubai Tower.
They'd be crazy to try - Burj Dubai will just jack up their height mid construction, as it's been designed to do. Plus, as others have said 1776 has special significance. Not gunna happen, but interesting still. Wonder who his source was? Is Hans Netten a member of SSC?

Umm... whoever that source is, they're wrong. The US Govt owns all airspace above 2000 feet, no one's building ANYTHING that high in the US till we run out of all space below that level. :) :) :)

I'm glad, the freedom tower was a terrible looking design.

Umm... whoever that source is, they're wrong. The US Govt owns all airspace above 2000 feet, no one's building ANYTHING that high in the US till we run out of all space below that level. :) :) :)


I don't believe the source about the freedom tower, but your fact doesn't stop buildings from being built above 2000ft. There were several projects in chicago alone that were approved for being way over 2000 ft, and they weren't built for financial reasons and not for being barred from going over 2000 feet.

^ Give me an example of a Chicago project over 2000 feet please. :cheers:

^ Give me an example of a Chicago project over 2000 feet please. :cheers:

Don`t you know emporis ?^^
[url]http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/li/?id=101030&bt=2&ht=2&sro=1
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NY POST

TRUMP: BUILD 'TWINS'

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DONALD TRUMP

By FREDRIC U. DICKER in Albany and TOM TOPOUSIS in N.Y.

May 6, 2005 -- Donald Trump called on Gov. Pataki yesterday to ditch his just-announced "redesign" of the Freedom Tower and instead rebuild the Twin Towers as they were — but at least one story higher.

"I think the World Trade Center should be rebuilt on the site, only stronger and a little bit taller, even if it's only one story taller," the billionaire builder told The Post.

"They should duplicate the World Trade Center and not build something that looks like an empty skeleton."

The Twin Towers had stood at 110 stories.

Asked if he planned to directly communicate his view to Pataki, Trump responded, "He'll know it when he reads this, right?"

Trump also unleashed a harsh assessment of Ground Zero master planner Daniel Libeskind, suggesting the man Pataki has called an international-class genius isn't fit to be, well, an apprentice.

"The design for the Freedom Tower is an egghead design, designed by an egghead, which has no practical application and which, frankly, didn't look very good.

"I've gotten great reviews on my buildings. I'm somebody who believes strongly in great architecture and this [the Freedom Tower] was a design that is just not a good design," Trump added.

A spokesman for Libeskind shot back: "I suppose Trump wants to add an extra floor to make room for his name. That's probably not the kind of iconic symbol anyone had in mind for this site."

Trump, meanwhile, praised World Trade Center leaseholder and builder Larry Silverstein, calling him a "wonderful professional who sort of got roped" by Pataki into having to back the Freedom Tower design.

"I don't think this is something he really wanted," Trump said of Silverstein, who — at least for now — has the responsibility for rebuilding whatever is erected at Ground Zero.

Aides to Pataki have recently suggested privately that Silverstein has been dragging his feet on the building process and has made unreasonable demands for funding.

Earlier this week, reports from unnamed sources claimed that if Silverstein didn't get the project going, the state and city would consider taking control of the site through eminent domain.

A source familiar with the developer's legal strategy predicted that a forced eviction of Silverstein from the project would never happen because the state would not be able to claim his $4.6 billion insurance payout to use for the project.

Silverstein, who recently applied for $3.5 billion in tax-free Liberty Bonds for WTC reconstruction, said he wants additional public funding to help pay for security.

I do not have much respect for the man as a person...but I totally agree with him here.

If they do rebuild the WTC as it was, they could at least change the look of the cladding.

Don`t you know emporis ?^^
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Would hardly call that a project though....I mean come on 1609m, 5000ft+...what are the odds of this thing actually happening!?

May 6, 2005 -- Donald Trump called on Gov. Pataki yesterday to ditch his just-announced "redesign" of the Freedom Tower and instead rebuild the Twin Towers as they were — but at least one story higher.



Yeah right....

No one would rent a singel office in this building not after 2 terror attacks against the twin towers. Many people in the US talking about freedom patriotism and stuff but when it comes to money of big companys the big talk ends. He wouldn`t even find one insurance company in the world for the twin towers.

It's not a good idea, in respect for the people who death there, they should make a great and important memorial and some few tall towers to replace the destroyed office space.

Terrorist attacks are not regular things, and they very rarely strike the same place twice.

Terrorist attacks are not regular things, and they very rarely strike the same place twice.

Have you forgotten ?
There was an terror attack against WTC before 11.09.01.

^ Give me an example of a Chicago project over 2000 feet please. :cheers:


Would hardly call that a project though....I mean come on 1609m, 5000ft+...what are the odds of this thing actually happening!?

Both Chicago World Trade Centers were over 2000ft. CWTC 1 = 2500ft CWTC 2= 2300ft. They didn't happen because of the economic downturn of the 1980s.

im sure they would not be allowed to be rebuilt with the same design, they have done extensive tests on why the buildings collapsed, and learnt a lot from it. If they were to rebuild something similar they will have to be a concrete core construction rather than a steel frame. However i would much rather see the twin towers (or something similar) back on the site than the freedom tower (or SOMs butchered version of it)

Design would change a lot if they try to rebuilt them! Different structure shceme and maybe concrete structure to make it more stable in front of fire.

Dumb idea trump!

Yeah, I don't see Trump doing anything to actually get the twins rebuilt. He's all talk, even though he could have significant pull if he really wanted to.

I wouldnt want to see the originals back! It would be creepy! I dont like the Freedom Tower but I dont like this idea of the original either. Something nice and new!

NY POST

TRUMP: BUILD 'TWINS'

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DONALD TRUMP

By FREDRIC U. DICKER in Albany and TOM TOPOUSIS in N.Y.

May 6, 2005 -- Donald Trump called on Gov. Pataki yesterday to ditch his just-announced "redesign" of the Freedom Tower and instead rebuild the Twin Towers as they were — but at least one story higher.

"I think the World Trade Center should be rebuilt on the site, only stronger and a little bit taller, even if it's only one story taller," the billionaire builder told The Post.

"They should duplicate the World Trade Center and not build something that looks like an empty skeleton."

The Twin Towers had stood at 110 stories.

Asked if he planned to directly communicate his view to Pataki, Trump responded, "He'll know it when he reads this, right?"

Trump also unleashed a harsh assessment of Ground Zero master planner Daniel Libeskind, suggesting the man Pataki has called an international-class genius isn't fit to be, well, an apprentice.

"The design for the Freedom Tower is an egghead design, designed by an egghead, which has no practical application and which, frankly, didn't look very good.

"I've gotten great reviews on my buildings. I'm somebody who believes strongly in great architecture and this [the Freedom Tower] was a design that is just not a good design," Trump added.

A spokesman for Libeskind shot back: "I suppose Trump wants to add an extra floor to make room for his name. That's probably not the kind of iconic symbol anyone had in mind for this site."

Trump, meanwhile, praised World Trade Center leaseholder and builder Larry Silverstein, calling him a "wonderful professional who sort of got roped" by Pataki into having to back the Freedom Tower design.

"I don't think this is something he really wanted," Trump said of Silverstein, who — at least for now — has the responsibility for rebuilding whatever is erected at Ground Zero.

Aides to Pataki have recently suggested privately that Silverstein has been dragging his feet on the building process and has made unreasonable demands for funding.

Earlier this week, reports from unnamed sources claimed that if Silverstein didn't get the project going, the state and city would consider taking control of the site through eminent domain.

A source familiar with the developer's legal strategy predicted that a forced eviction of Silverstein from the project would never happen because the state would not be able to claim his $4.6 billion insurance payout to use for the project.

Silverstein, who recently applied for $3.5 billion in tax-free Liberty Bonds for WTC reconstruction, said he wants additional public funding to help pay for security.


BRAVO, TRUMP! :happy:

I wouldnt want to see the originals back! It would be creepy!

I agree. People can rant and rave about how good the old towers were and what a part of NYC they were... but the point is, people are ALWAYS going to remember the WTC towers as the firery death traps of 9/11... a symbol of terrorism.

i wonder how the new tower would look like... i rather see twins also.

I agree. People can rant and rave about how good the old towers were and what a part of NYC they were... but the point is, people are ALWAYS going to remember the WTC towers as the firery death traps of 9/11... a symbol of terrorism.


They stood for more than 30 years, why just remember the bad things that happened? They could be rebuilt, but with a little bit more modern design and a little bit taller.

They stood for more than 30 years, why just remember the bad things that happened?

Because 10, 50, 100 years from now, the World Trade Center will be remembered for 9/11, not a wonderful pair of buildings. If they put the original WTC back up, every New Yorker would look up at it on a daily basis and remember the horrors of that day. Not because they want to, but because that memory is engrained in their heads.

They should put up either two or three taller towers on the site that resemble in no which way or form the original WTC. :) :) :)

I think it would be silly to rebuild the twins just like they were. But I'd prefer that to what they had planned.

Now what ?

After more than 1 year of waiting and talking about the design now we go back to zero zzzzzzzzZZZZZZzz.

How long should we wait to see the new design ?

I'm sorry, but I never really liked the old twins that much anyway. There was nothing creative in the aesthetics, even if it was a great feat of engineering.

And considering how outdated that style is now, I'd say it would just be a terrible lapse of taste to rebuild them on the same design.

Do you think they will organize a new competition???

REBUILD THE TWINS!!!


I don't agree that they will be remembered of 9-11. The WTC were the most characteristic symbol of New York, NY will never be the same without them...
Rebuilding them would be a clear sign that the terrorism won't crush NY and whole demcratic world.

Now what ?

After more than 1 year of waiting and talking about the design now we go back to zero zzzzzzzzZZZZZZzz.

How long should we wait to see the new design ?

Renderings should be released in a couple of weeks they've said.

Cool :) Cant wait!

They need to build something!

I want to personally give Trump a pat on the back. Finally someone sees Libeskind for what he really is: a hack. The current design for the WTC site is a disgrace and if it is build then the terrorists will have won.

:hilarious: They plan something for two years and *Bling* it's garbage.

I really hope they'll make a better design though, and no, I don't think they should rebuild the old twins.

http://felixsalmon.com/wtc/Libeskind-MODEL-view-3.jpg

if theyd just build liebskinds original proposal id be happy

The need something which shows that the terrorists haven't won, that means they need to have a couple of towers that are around the height of the old ones and can handle the same sort of cpacity (20,000 people wasn't it?).

This was a strike against the financial heart of America, they need to rebuild that heart, not just put up an empty tall building that has no commerical purpose. They need towers that people can go to work in everday. That will show the terrorists haven't won and that will serve as the best memorial to the people who lost their lives that day! All this faffing about isn't helping, it's time to rebuild that site!!!

Rebuild the old towers...with some new features. Make them the worlds tallest buildings, airplane and explosion "proof" ,new lighting along the sides of the tower, memorials, open air skydeck, ...etc. What is the probability of rebuilding the old design?

Did you guys see this render? I never like the wining design but here it looks kind of cool.

http://www.renewnyc.com/images_WMS/freedom_tower/freedom_tower_hudson.jpg

lol the freedom tower is at least 100~200 feet shorter than it should be
and look! so many sailboats that look exactly same!

So I wonder if we'll like it after it gets built. Maybe we'll grow to love it. That gives me an idea for a poll.

Uggh. Looks ugly. They should build twin towers but doesn't necessary needs to be the same. Different shape should look fine but that Freedom tower, they shouldn't even count the top as part of the height because it is so empty except those wind turbines.

Very unusual view of Lower Manhattan in that rendering ... great panorama of Brooklyn behind it, and beyond that the highlands of the Jersey Shore ... er, well anyway.

that render is what u call big

... and explosion "proof"...

ROFL! Blast... If only they had left that self-destruct sequence ability out of the original WTC, all that dynamite wouldn't have gone off when the planes hit! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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NEW YORK - Gov. George Pataki is appointing his top aide to oversee the rebuilding of ground zero and is earmarking $300 million to help jump-start fund-raising for the Sept. 11 memorial at the World Trade Center.

Pataki was expected to announce the initiatives in a speech Thursday to the Association for a Better New York, according to The New York Times.

Pataki's chief of staff, John Cahill, will spend most of his time outside of Albany working on the revitalization of lower Manhattan, the newspaper reported.

The money, from the federal government, will be used for building and maintaining the memorial, the Times said.

The project has been delayed by up to a year because of concerns about security at the proposed Freedom Tower office building, which planners say is to be the tallest building in the world. Pataki was expected to announce that a new plan for the building will be released in a month, the Times reported.
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Tallest building in the world? :rofl:
What about Burj al Dubai?

They dont know BD's true height so they think that their 600m structure will be higher, but of course the Burj will be the tallest in the world

just build the Foster's proposal !!!

what's so complicated about that ?

liebeskind first design was OK ( the parrallel with the statue of liberty and all ...)
,the new project (as seen in the rendering above ) is just horrible

a boxy skyscraper with a spire :nuts:

a site like that deserves so much more

Tallest building in the world? :rofl:
What about Burj al Dubai?

... his source seams to be CIA's World Facts Book :lol:

I mean they had the chance to build anything they wanted there.... and they wanted to build that?

Can it really be that hard to come up with something nice, it doesn't even have to be the original towers, just something that we could be proud of building on the site, something that wouldn't destroy NY's skyline.

http://www.flmarchitects.com/wtc.htm

Update...

NY POST

NEW TOWER PLAN IN JUNE: PATAKI

By TOM TOPOUSIS

May 13, 2005 -- A new design for the Freedom Tower will be unveiled next month, and the NYPD has reviewed proposed security improvements, Gov. Pataki said yesterday in a speech aimed at bolstering confidence in his handling of Ground Zero.

Pataki also named James Kallstrom, a former New York City FBI chief, to oversee security issues at the Freedom Tower as part of a new Ground Zero management team that also includes the governor's chief of staff, John Cahill.

While promising a new design for a 1,776-foot-tall tower, Pataki would not yet lay out a timetable for its construction.

But he called on Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein to move as fast as possible once plans are drawn up.

"Failure to rebuild is not an option," Pataki told several hundred of the city's movers and shakers during a Wall Street luncheon held by the Association for a Better New York.

"We will not tolerate unnecessary delays."

In a major setback for Pataki, the Freedom Tower was sent back to the drawing board earlier this month after an NYPD report citing serious security problems with the building.

"I am pleased to announce that the NYPD has reviewed the preliminary redesign and have determined that the building can be constructed in a manner that will provide the appropriate level of security," Pataki said.

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said architects from Skidmore Owings & Merrill met Wednesday with police brass and agreed that they could design a building meeting heightened security standards, like those set out by several federal agencies.

The architects will move the Freedom Tower back from West Street twice as far as the original 25 feet and the building would be designed to withstand a much larger blast from a truck bomb, Browne said.

Pataki said he expects having Kallstrom in charge of the tower's security will help move the project along while making sure it is as safe as possible.

"I know if there is ever a security issue, it won't take weeks or months to address," Pataki said.

Pataki also announced:

* $1 billion in funding requested from the Port Authority to help build the JFK rail link to Lower Manhattan, bringing the total for the project up to $4 billion.

* $300 million for the 9/11 Memorial.

* $15 million to take down CUNY's Fiterman Hall, badly damaged on 9/11.

The governor also endorsed building a new rail tunnel under the Hudson River that he said would boost the region's economy.

Tallest building in the world? :rofl:
What about Burj al Dubai?

That article is just saying Freedom Tower would be the tallest in the world upon completion, which was supposed to be before Burj Dubai was finished. Now who knows when it'll get built... :)

You guys can be harsh... go easy on him, be nice. :) :) :)

Wow those are shockingly ugly buildings. I seriously doubt that a building is a monument to anyone other than the developer and the designer. Call it whatever you want, its still about those big egos

Well we all know that whatever they come up with for this project, will NOT surpass, let alone approach the height of the Burj Dubai. that tower is being constructed specifically to be the undisputed worlds tallest..!. that's academic. So the question now becomes; "Where else on the planet, are they (if anywhere?) building another 1,776 footer?" This tower will at least be in the top 5 worlds tallest when completed.

What i think now is that the project should be under the direction of a single architect or design principle, or two architects (from of course, notable firm's, and can truly collaborate a design, (without worry of who's getting the credit for it!) I mean for anything other than funding, where does the opinion of civil servants bare any relevance to architecture..!? (this statement does not include, the city's building dept. or emergancy services.) The horror of an attack on skyscrapers, like 9/11, if it can be helped (and it can..!!) will never be witnessed again on our soil.

The task at hand is simple, come up a plan that replaces lost office space, reconstruct the train infrastructure, and build a memorial to all lost that tragic day, and NOTHING else....!!! (no cultureal center, museum's, and performing arts complex, all that bullshit needs to go elsewhere, not on this site..!!) But make sure the new plan contain's certain characteristic's (i.e. height, scale, and even banality) of the original's, but by NO means reproduce or copy them.

So in short, get rid of EVERYONE who's dragging their feet (or ass.!!) or who's worried about money, or what whom ever will say or think about it, and start the plan from complete scratch.

What the people want to see is resolve, this can only happen when this project is complete, and not before...!!!.

ugh im getting sick of this project.

^ Seriously... fill in the hole with grass and lawn gnomes for all I care, just DO SOMETHING ALREADY!!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:



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DONALD SET TO UNVEIL 'WORLD TRUMP CENTER'

By FREDRIC U. DICKER
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May 17, 2005 -- ALBANY — Donald Trump, escalating his war against the "empty skeleton" Freedom Tower, will offer his own design for a rebuilt 111-story "World Trade Center" at Ground Zero at a press conference tomorrow.

"We have a beautiful model that has been built, a very big model," Trump told The Post yesterday.

"We took the original World Trade Center design, brought it into the modern age, made it more beautiful than ever before, made it one story taller, made it higher lined, and took out the architectural weaknesses that were there.

"We also strengthened the building internally so that what happened on 9/11 could never happen again," Trump added.

Trump, who made international news earlier this month when he told The Post that Gov. Pataki should scrap the Freedom Tower plan in favor of rebuilding the WTC towers one story taller, said he expected the public to rally behind his proposal.

"I hope the reaction from the public will cause the political establishment to do what everyone wants to be done, rebuild the World Trade Center, taller and stronger," he said.

Trump said his new WTC will be more aesthetically interesting than the old one.

"Some people thought it was too monolithic. We've put on a higher lined curtain wall, which will make the exterior much more vivid and beautiful," Trump said.

Pataki said last week that he plans to unveil the new Freedom Tower design next month, after it has been modified to meet NYPD security concerns.

Ground Zero developer Larry Silverstein, who is having Freedom Tower architect David Childs revamp his original design, could not be reached for comment.

In an interview with The Post earlier this month, Trump ripped Ground Zero master planner Daniel Libeskind.

"The design for the Freedom Tower is an egghead design, designed by an egghead, which has no practical application and which, frankly, didn't look very good," Trump said at the time.

"I've gotten great reviews on my buildings. I'm somebody who believes strongly in great architecture, and this [the Freedom Tower] was a design that is just not a good design," he added.

Trump, meanwhile, said he had become all the more convinced of the need to rebuild the WTC during a recent flight to New York.

"I was flying over the Statue of Liberty, and I said to myself, 'You know, if that ever came down, they wouldn't replace it with something that didn't look like the Statue of Liberty.'

"To replace the World Trade Center with a skeleton of all things is the worst thing in the world, it's replacing it with an inferior product."

Trump said he had a "huge" reaction to his initial proposal to dump the Freedom Tower, receiving over 1,000 letters in support of rebuilding the WTC.

He said he expected an even greater public response when he unveils the new model.

^I bet it's ugly, I'm not a big fan of the majority of Trump's work.

Me neither, Trump really has no sense of style, fashion or beauty, so I really don't attach any gravity to his opinion, especially when he says something will look "better"

^That, and the Freedom Tower is a pretty low bar. A building could look far better and still be quite ugly.

This man is crazy!

anything is better then Freedom tower.. and all you WTC fans, like me, will get what they want... a rebuilt improved higher WTC!

im kind of excited to see what the Donald hatched up. If it looks like the old ones...Im all for it.

WTF! Is this for real?

Let's hold off our opinions about how the building will look till after it's actually released? Good idea?

Wait a minute, that article has to be fake :D

err.. It's real

Freddic U Dicker is a real name. lmao!

^I'm glad I'm not the only one here immature enough to laugh at that guy's stupid name.

"We took the original World Trade Center design, brought it into the modern age, made it more beautiful than ever before"

Sounds good... now lets see :D

How is Trumps relationship with the owner of the WTC Larry Silverstein? Not sure how Silverstein happy will be having Trump saying all this?

Also does this mean that Trump has spent money on getting a new WTC plan drawn up? If he has, then he has committed money to this so he must be hopeful of it happening. It will be interesting to see how this develops!!!!

How is Trumps relationship with the owner of the WTC Larry Silverstein? Not sure how Silverstein happy will be having Trump saying all this?

Also does this mean that Trump has spent money on getting a new WTC plan drawn up? If he has, then he has committed money to this so he must be hopeful of it happening. It will be interesting to see how this develops!!!!

You kidding me? They are great friends. Silverstein was just as unhappy with the new towers as Trump. It's probably Silverstein who asked Trump to get involved.

How is Trumps relationship with the owner of the WTC Larry Silverstein? Not sure how Silverstein happy will be having Trump saying all this?

Also does this mean that Trump has spent money on getting a new WTC plan drawn up? If he has, then he has committed money to this so he must be hopeful of it happening. It will be interesting to see how this develops!!!!

Trump says he's good friends with Silverstein and that he truly believes Larry doesn't like the plans himself and that they were foisted upon him.

Who knows how much Trump spent, but it's for a good cause IMO.

Mr. Man, the article isn't fake, I'll scan it from the paper if you want.

BTW, Trump's design will most likely be this, seeing as he already gave credit to Gardner/Belton in another article.

Expect this or some modified version:

http://img282.echo.cx/img282/8739/dsa8sl.jpg
High Resolution (http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix.ninefoot/WTC.ninefoot.jpeg)

http://img109.exs.cx/img109/2642/timemagazinehoax7oo.jpg

WTF. This might actually come true. :eek2:

Trump says he's good friends with Silverstein and that he truly believes Larry doesn't like the plans himself and that they were foisted upon him.

Who knows how much Trump spent, but it's for a good cause IMO.

Mr. Man, the article isn't fake, I'll scan it from the paper if you want.

I'd like to see this happen so I hope Trump and Silverstein do get on and the public rallies behind this! I just hope that this isn't a publicity stunt on Trumps part. Where he publically becomes the good guy by fighting to try and get the WTC rebuilt as he knows this is popular, but knows privately that it will never happen.


I feel though that Pataki won't be keen on this as it won't look good for him if after all the design competitions and messing about they then go for a modified version of the original towers.

Yeah I know that now. Just an incredible turn of events.

http://img109.exs.cx/img109/2642/timemagazinehoax7oo.jpg

WTF. This might actually come true. :eek2:


WELL... it makes more sense than the freedom tower does.. i can't wait to see what they BOTH come up with. Im hoping for the trade centers , taller and modified a little. Good read.

This is a good op/ed piece I found on Newsday, those of you in favor of building ANY supertall office space on the WTC site should read it:

Consecration, Not Commerce, At WTC

James P. Pinkerton
Newsday - May 17 2005

Rebuild the World Trade Center site into Freedom Tower? Bad idea. It's uneconomic, not to mention inappropriate.

Unfortunately, the New York establishment is hooked on the idea of a building that's even bigger - and a bigger target - than the Twin Towers that were hit on 9/11.

"Failure to rebuild is not an option," Gov. George Pataki declared last week. But speaking of failure, in the past three and a half years, Pataki hasn't been able to build the barest memorial to the 3,000 killed that day. Yet the governor's hollow rhetoric was praised from across the partisan divide: Sen. Charles Schumer lauded Pataki for his "urgency and deadline-oriented thinking."

Meanwhile, The New York Times took note of more Pataki verbiage - "we reject cowardice and we embrace courage, we stand tall" - and editorially intoned, "those are the right words." Well, then, if Times owner Arthur Sulzberger Jr. is so eager to reject cowardice, why doesn't he tear himself away from his favorite midtown restaurants and move his own offices to lower Manhattan?

The plain fact, of course, is that few want to work on the WTC site. But developer Larry Silverstein figures that a combination of insurance money and government aid will make him richer, even if his new tower never fills up with paying tenants. And Pataki, who is unlikely to be governor after next year, needs a big project to justify his dozen years in Albany.

Ron Rosenbaum, who has been arguing against the rebuilding for the past three years in The New York Observer, points out it will be almost impossible to get insurance for the site, as well as for the employees. Given that the WTC was attacked twice, in 1993 and 2001, and given that the whole purpose of rebuilding on the site - including the calculatedly symbolic height of 1,776 feet, the highest in the world - is to send a message of defiance to terrorists, what office-space renter could be said to be showing due diligence by moving employees to Freedom Tower?

Imagine what would happen in the event of another attack: In the recriminations to follow, tort lawyers representing victims would claim that the mere fact that the defendants rented space in the building proves their reckless disregard for employee safety. And let's face it, in such a tragic instance, the plaintiffs would have a strong argument - an argument that could lead to billions, or trillions, in liability for the building's owner.

Fred Siegel, an urban historian at the Cooper Union in Manhattan, has a different prescription for the area. "First, build a memorial," he says. "Second, get the transportation right" by extending the commuter trains from Long Island and Westchester into lower Manhattan. Only then, he adds, should anyone think about rebuilding the WTC site.

That is, if it should be rebuilt at all. Siegel is skeptical that lower Manhattan will ever come back as a major employment center, because the New York Stock Exchange is computerizing many of its jobs out of existence, even as most top "Wall Street" executives migrate to midtown. No wonder developer Silverstein can't find tenants for his newly built Seven World Trade Center building, and Goldman Sachs recently kiboshed plans for a new tower in the area. The future of lower Manhattan, Siegel argues, is residential.

Some say that a decision not to rebuild is a victory for the terrorists. But that's a silly argument. The Civil War battlefield of Gettysburg is one big park - and yet is that a victory for Robert E. Lee and the Confederacy? Of course not. It's a memorial to the Union victory, and to all the dead, consecrated by Abraham Lincoln. Similarly, does anybody think that the somber setting of the Oklahoma City National Memorial - all green grass, reflecting pools and 168 empty chairs - represents some sort of victory for the executed Timothy McVeigh?

And that's what Ground Zero should be: a memorial to the dead. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more.

Well, I read it, and I disagree, manifestly.

Rebuild the WTC!!!

Well, I read it, and I disagree, manifestly.

YES. its like saying that 10 dirty and smelly mother***** with scizzors are stronger than the usa

YES. its like saying that 10 dirty and smelly mother***** with scizzors are stronger than the usa

In a sense, I suppose.

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2005/05/18/trumpwtc.story.cnn.jpg

http://www.nynewsday.com/media/thumbnails/storylink/2005-05/17628210.jpg

I don't want to dog Time Magazine and it would be cool if they were to rebuild, but the magazine date says MARCH 27th, 2005, not May.

That's because it was entered in the urban photoshop contest, and the artist just assigned it an abitrary date.

Go Trump! Rebuild the twins!

More photos:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/05/18/PH2005051801565.jpg http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/05/18/trump-in.jpg http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41160000/jpg/_41160587_tower_body_afp.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200505/r47618_125009.jpg http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17628172.jpg
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17629631.gif
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17629778.gif

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17628172.jpg

Personally, I loved the Twin Towers but to rebuild them in order to 'avoid being beaten by the terrorists' draws the whole 9/11 affair out into eternity in a political sense (assuming they're not destroyed again). Sometimes, pride has to be swallowed and you have to move on with things in a humble manner. There are always going to be differrent opinions on whether they are rebuilt or not but, I guarantee, if they ever go back up, it will be an intense emotional visual for a lot of people and a little freaky, if not ghost like for a lot and I wonder if many would be interested in actually renting the space for fear of a repeat attack. Mourn it and move on, but you just don't ressurect people who have passed on.

I hate the towers at the base.

I love the towers at the base...

I think the towers at the base are okay.

Any other viewpoints on the lower buildings that haven't been expressed? Or have we covered the whole range of opinions?

How is this being recieved in NY is it getting much coverage? Is it seen as a good option in the media???

Man that press conference on CNN was hillarious, calling the previous choice "Crap". He seems really adamant though about rebuilding the towers and the models don't look too bad. I like the short buildings at the bottom, that way you can see the twins all the way from the bottom up.

How is this being recieved in NY is it getting much coverage? Is it seen as a good option in the media???

This is dominating alot of the headlines and to be honest, I haven't seen much opposition to the whole rebuild the towers idea at all. Of course some don't like the idea, but the notion of rebuilding the towers is now an open one, a notion that people are starting to think about and that's a good thing.

For such a long time they've told us that we can't have them back or the idea wasn't even brought up for discussion or anything like that, Trump has brought this idea straight into people's minds at the right time, a time the Freedom tower is in trouble.

If you read the papers, there's tons of letters of support for the idea of rebuilding, it's now up to the players involved to make the decision. As Trump said, he only has the "power of pursuasion" and sometimes it can be a very powerful one.

A man attented the press conference today who lost his wife, he had said that he never really thought about the concept of rebuilding the towers seriously, but Trump has changed this and he's open to it.

There's a belief by some that Trump has took the time and money to invest in such a plan and who knows, it might very well be worth it.

I just don't like the idea, and I have to agree with the Pinkerton article that it would be incredibly hard to insure or rent out these buildings. I do like the structures that outline the base of the former twins, that looks nice.

Prediction: If Trump does not get his way with the freedom tower site, he'll build them himself in a new plot of land nearby.

But where? Is there any free space large enough that is zone properly?

Consecration, Not Commerce, At WTC

James P. Pinkerton
Newsday - May 17 2005

Rebuild the World Trade Center site into Freedom Tower? Bad idea. It's uneconomic, not to mention inappropriate.

Unfortunately, the New York establishment is hooked on the idea of a building that's even bigger - and a bigger target - than the Twin Towers that were hit on 9/11... blah blah blah.

Pinkerton is just another "bigger target" crybaby.

Does anybody know how tall the Pentagon is?

According to Wikipedia.com, it is 77 ft and change.

So if Pinkerton had his way, all our new buildings would be under 8 stories?

That is nonsense. The terrorists don't care how tall a building is. They care only that it is American.

I like the trump idea so much :) :)

But where? Is there any free space large enough that is zone properly?

Reclaimed land? Or maybe somewhere Trump already owns property... just speculating.

I just don't like the idea, and I have to agree with the Pinkerton article that it would be incredibly hard to insure or rent out these buildings. I do like the structures that outline the base of the former twins, that looks nice.

Silverstein and Trump did not get to where they are today by not knowing the market.

thank god for Trump. now if we can only get a *slight* evolution in that design...



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anyone know Foster's tel number???

;)

just off topic, do you guys think trump comes on these forums at all?

^No. He's busy building real skyscrapers and "doin' it" with his current supermodel wife.

I'd be okay with the twin towers returning, except they must be built with a modern flavour. I wouldn't like it to be so stylistically 1970s.

Lets look at it this way, if they do rebuild the Twins' (New and Improved), in one sense itll show how strong the US is, ecomonically and emotion wise that its rebuilding the same towers that went down.

But on the other hand, the families who suffered due to the 9/11 tragerdy, wont just accept the "New and improved" slogan, if you know what i mean. Cause' for them itll be the same building.

IMO Freedom Tower could have worked if it wasnt a skeleton

But new WTC Twins, everything new, new safety measures, and how bout a .. Skybridge?

Though SSC people appear to be in favor of Trump's plan, a poll on CNN is showing a dead heat with over 54,000 votes cast. :)

^That just shows the superior taste of SSC forummers. :okay:

Yeah, bring back the WTC... I love the towers.

http://michaelquack.typepad.com/photos/cq/wtc.jpg

More photos:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/05/18/PH2005051801565.jpg http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/05/18/trump-in.jpg http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41160000/jpg/_41160587_tower_body_afp.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200505/r47618_125009.jpg http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17628172.jpg
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17629631.gif
http://www.nynewsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17629778.gif

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2005-05/17628172.jpg

I pray to God that these towers get built. I totally agree with Donald Trump on this idea. I hope the owner or whoever makes the final decision on the WTC would seriously take Trump's design in to consideration and build it. Screw the Libeskind(spelling?) idea. That one just looks like a complete mess.

http://img109.exs.cx/img109/2642/timemagazinehoax7oo.jpg

WTF. This might actually come true. :eek2:

HOLY SHIT!!!!! It made Time magazine? It looks like there's some hope for New York yet. :) :) :) :) :)

they should modernise the design................
but like the idea that they rebuild it though........
ps. trump nice hair...............

Very nice, Trump stepped in.
I would also like the fact that it would get rebuilt, a little higher does no harm,
and an more stronger construction, so it wont collapse easily.
Maybe this time 130 floors? Would be nice

Yeah, from what I've heard on the news, is that Trump plans to add a few extra floors to the former 110 storey WTC. But it would be even nicer if they could add an interesting pointy roofstructure to it make the buildings look even taller.

I support Trump's idea! WTC twins should be rebuilt! With a modern touch... :)

I think most people didnt like the towers because they looked liked every 70's office block stacked up in 2 piles. If they were to rebuild them to the same general design, then they really need to make them look more appealing. They obviously also need to make sure they are a lot safer. Whatever is rebuilt there will be considered a target though.

http://gulf-daily-news.com/source/xxviii/060/images/Wpic3.jpg

New York property tycoon Donald Trump unveiled his design last night for "bigger, stronger and better" twin towers to replace the World Trade Centre originals destroyed on September 11, 2001. Denouncing the existing plans for rebuilding Ground Zero as the "worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen," Trump argued that erecting two new, even taller twin towers was the only valid response to the terrorists. The consummate self-promoter, known as "The Donald," showed off his proposal just weeks after the official master design was put on hold because of security concerns surrounding the centrepiece 1,776-foot Freedom Tower. Describing the Freedom Tower as an "empty skeleton," Trump said its construction would be a capitulation. "If we rebuild the World Trade Centre in the form of a skeleton ... the terrorists win. It's that bad," he told reporters gathered in the lobby of his Fifth Avenue Trump Towers headquarters in Manhattan.

The design put forward by Trump and his structural engineer Kenneth Gardner, essentially offers a modified version of the original twin towers, erected in the early 1970s. The replacements would be at least 1,475-feet tall, more than 100 feet higher than their previous incarnations. The new North Tower would also boast a 383-foot communications mast.

Look at the windows! Its awful! :puke::puke: The original design of WTC was much more better! This oune is just a simple tall box!
And the white building? Another disgusting thing!

doble post, sorry! :bash:

Freedom Tower is dead.....Rebuild the Twin Towers!! Go Donald! Only Twin Towers are Freedom Towers!!!

They look much worse than the originals, why not just build the foster design instead, at least it isn't a boring (though tall) box.

Trump is a real man.

this idea is the best

Stronger, bigger and better. I totally agree with Trump.

The new buildings have to be 100% terrorist proof as well, and should be constructed so that not even a couple of A380s fully loaded with fuel can bring them down. These buildings should not have any weaknesses at all, and should be constructed so that they can last for at least 500 years (a bit like the Empire state building).

i suggest they put an anti-missile battery on top of one of the towers to shoot any suspect aircraft approaching...i'm sure they'll do that :that's the best way to avoid 9-11 part 2

"Stronger, bigger and better". I also agree.
Rebuilding them might make people look at WTC as something positive again. Because of small design changes and improved safety, I don't think it will be just to pretend like nothing has happened.

But I think that is up to the people of New York to decide.

Look at the windows! Its awful! :puke::puke: The original design of WTC was much more better! This oune is just a simple tall box!
And the white building? Another disgusting thing!

but this tower looks stronger and taller. i love the 'old towers' and the 'new'!
REBUILD IT AND WIN OF THE TERRORISTS!!!

and i think as you see the 'new' towers from a distance (about 2 or 3km's) you didn't see any difference bitween the 'old' and 'new' ones

The Twin Towers -- when they were there, I didn't really like them. They looked so imposing and obstructed the view of the Canyon of Heroes and the West End River. The World Financial Center is more understated and beautiful for me. Sans the WTC, the Lower Manhattan skyline now has become more flowing and graceful.

But the Twin Towers have become symbolic, so if they rebuild the same design and make it "stronger, bigger and better", then it becomes like a bold statement. Like the proverbial Phoenix rising from the ashes.

It will be so "in your face" - "take that!" attitude. So very New York.

This is dominating alot of the headlines and to be honest, I haven't seen much opposition to the whole rebuild the towers idea at all. Of course some don't like the idea, but the notion of rebuilding the towers is now an open one, a notion that people are starting to think about and that's a good thing.

For such a long time they've told us that we can't have them back or the idea wasn't even brought up for discussion or anything like that, Trump has brought this idea straight into people's minds at the right time, a time the Freedom tower is in trouble.

If you read the papers, there's tons of letters of support for the idea of rebuilding, it's now up to the players involved to make the decision. As Trump said, he only has the "power of pursuasion" and sometimes it can be a very powerful one.

A man attented the press conference today who lost his wife, he had said that he never really thought about the concept of rebuilding the towers seriously, but Trump has changed this and he's open to it.

There's a belief by some that Trump has took the time and money to invest in such a plan and who knows, it might very well be worth it.

I hope it really opens up a serious disscussion! The timing is perfect and hopefully Trumps 'star appeal' will get people talking about this issue. The pressure of the people will get this built! What I do like about Trumps design is the fact the other buildings are small! This will give the towers some space and light! I hope they decide to build this, and they don't take too long to make that decision.

Would they build it with a concrete core this time?

Silverstein and Trump did not get to where they are today by not knowing the market.

I guess that explains how well Trump's casinos in Atlantic City are doing then.

I just dont understand the point of building the towers again with essentially the same design, because otherwise "the terrorists win." But mostly I dont like that Trump has gotten involved and the whole thing is just more and more of a mess each day.

Hahahaha :D

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL915/3221790/inbox/71107.jpg

^Not funny

Why cry, if you can laugh

Hahahaha :D




shit i talk a bit in dutch.

what a shit is this....

do you think this is funny????

Yes I do, if you guys where upset by it, Im sorry

I still do think its funny dough, I cant seem to figure out why it aint. Like im going to hijack a plane or something.

Didnt ment to dis-respect you

I for one find it extremely amusing! :) :) :) :)

By 2100 they'll be in the East River! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

3000 people die, yes that is REALLY FUNNY. You werido's sort your head's out. Go see a doctor.

Yes I do, if you guys where upset by it, Im sorry

I still do think its funny dough, I cant seem to figure out why it aint. Like im going to hijack a plane or something.

Didnt ment to dis-respect you

Don't apologize... they're all hypocrites!!!! :cheers: :cheers:

3000 people die, yes that is REALLY FUNNY. You werido's sort your head's out. Go see a doctor.

... Go take your Ritalin.

I'm not the one drooling over a plan to re-build those ghastly towers that took those 3,000 lives. It's easy for all you to say you want them back when you wouldn't be one of the 10 million in NYC that would have to look up at them every day and remember 9/11.

You know why New Yorkers will embrace this awful idea? Because the Freedom Tower and all subsequent designs have been so pitiful. For the love of God get some REAL architects to design an awesome replacement, not that airhead Donald Trump.

... Go take your Ritalin.

I'm not the one drooling over a plan to re-build those ghastly towers that took those 3,000 lives. It's easy for all you to say you want them back when you wouldn't be one of the 10 million in NYC that would have to look up at them every day and remember 9/11.
Never said I was drooling but I recon most people in da big NYC will want them back and how the fuck can you say anything to me when you are laughing about it. It shouldnt be forgotten every person in New York should look up at those new towers and they should remember the people that died and see how well the city came throught it all. Oh and by the way everytime I walk through my city see how well we all came through are bombing.

...how the fuck...

Please, refrain from using profanity.

The last thing NYC needs are two 1,500 foot tall "memorials" to 9/11. New York is a city of change, forward-thinking, progress. It's just not a proper idea. :)

I'm not the one drooling over a plan to re-build those ghastly towers that took those 3,000 lives. It's easy for all you to say you want them back when you wouldn't be one of the 10 million in NYC that would have to look up at them every day and remember 9/11.

You know why New Yorkers will embrace this awful idea? Because the Freedom Tower and all subsequent designs have been so pitiful. For the love of God get some REAL architects to design an awesome replacement, not that airhead Donald Trump.

Come to think of it, those were ghastly towers. I used to work across it in the Equitable Building on Broadway. It might trigger PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) to see those again and remember images of people dangling from its floors and jumping down. (Sorry to be so graphic about it.)

I don't want Trump taking credit for it like he owns New York. Remember Central Park ice rink? Although I concede that he is indeed a major player in the real estate development in NY.

One other thing, they are havng a hard time leasing the office spaces in the buildings adjacent that area so I don't know if opening a new WTC will be commercially viable. Perhaps in time, it will be.

@ Cheseee

To you and that is your opinion, but everybody thinks different.....

I saw the need for it got yours and every bodies attention.

..........and freedom tower is a waste of space. Its mostly just glass. It a plane hit that within about 5 seconds you would have more dead people in the streets than in the building. If they build new Twin Towers with Concrete cores then the building will stand and even people up at the top have a chance of getting out. Also anything that getting built there doesnt have much chance of being finished till about 2010. You may think they look crap but every body has different opinions.

i just said on the other thread they will never be rebuilt because of memories but think of the terroists if they see two new shiny towers gutted.Their was rumour tower 42 in london was going to collapse after an IRA bomb and they were going to be rebuilt higher if it did.

I would really like the Twins to be rebuilt. I miss them. Downtown Manhattan is not the same without them. However I don't like very much the horizontal window stripes, I prefer the former vertical ones, it's more elegant.

HOLY SHIT!!!!! It made Time magazine? It looks like there's some hope for New York yet. :) :) :) :) :)

Am I the only one noticing? This was a hoax made for a skyscrapercity contest! :bash:

I think I have created a buzzz....

Discussions never does anyone any harm, It aint a Forum for nothing.
As long as we members get a long, and we all have the freedom of speech, and we can give people our opinion.
My opinion aint that I dont care about the 3000 deceaced humans, of course I do.
My opinion is that you should always forget the sad part of things in live, and be optimistisc about everything. Like laugh about such things. I aint joking about 9/11, I am joking about the fact that the WTC is going to be rebuilt, and that doesn't happen too often.

Debate in peace my fellow Skyscrapercity compagnons!!