How can be a block just on building?

How can be a block just one building?

IN NYC the Bank of America building (945 feet) is being built on the same block as Conde Nast (805 feet), probably the tallest individual block in NYC.

While I'll admit that some of Dubai's buildings are BEAUTIFUL, especially the Burj al arab (I think thats the name, the hotel), I hear it has horrendous traffic problems. I won't say anything bad about it, I've never been there so I won't be ignorant, but clearly they are just trying to hastily make a name for themselves, they don't need all the skyscrapers, especially one thats over 2,000 feet. Just one man's opinion. NY has been building skyscrapers for 100 years and not even NYC or HK has needed a building that high.

Well, the burj-dubai is getting built so as to attract tourism and as you say, make a name for themselves, not because it's running out of space. So yeah, it's not really necessary but neither was the ESB when it was built back in the 1920/30s.

the burj dubai is being built with the same aim the BAA was and i am sure the BAA was as expensive though their is no secure figure...

and what did the BAA do? it made dubai famous..

the baa will take 100 years of solid bookings to break even, but profitability wasn't the main factor in it being built.

How much did the Burj Al Arab actually cost, just for curiosity?

no idea, but when all you see in there that glitters is actually gold, then obviously they spent a lot of money on it.

but they never made it public...

Lisbon is steadily on its way there.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Marco77/Projectos_maquetes/UPDATES/pdn_21_06_05_10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v26/Marco77/Projectos_maquetes/UPDATES/pdn_21_06_05_08.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y67/Barragon/LX.jpg

shallt that be the tallest block on the planet or what?

Something I have been thinking about is how many tall towers you can have in a typical city type block.
heres a start which I think will be the tallest.
In a row comming along Beach road. (Dubai Marina)

Number one dubai marina 54F 210m U/C
Ocean Heights 82F 300m U/C
Marina Crown 52F 207m U/C
Unknown tower (most possibly Najd Tower 75F 300m+ or Marina Gardens 75F 300m+) U/C
Le Reve 45F 200m U/C
Al ameria 90F 340m U/C
Emirates crown 60F 260m U/C
Al Marsa Tower 59 254m U/C
And just behind that row you have -
Marina Heights 53F 208m U/C
Marina Pinnacle 66F 260m
Mag tower 55F 200m+U/C
Al seef tower 44F 215m U/C
Thats 9 200m plus and 3 300m plus towers over a block.
All of these are on what would be a typical block in any major city on the planet.
Any other blocks that could beat that???

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LOL! Of course, CHICAGO!

There are only 3 cities I automatically came to my mind that has the crown potential on this one than any others...
chicago
nyc
hk

Chicago beats dubai now in tallest block on the planet, in the past and in the future. Lets just say looking at Chicago Loop alone beat the living day out of dubai and not to mention its other big shoulder North Side chicago which led by the JHC. Chicago skyline isn't known as city of big shoulder for no reason. With combinations like WTBs and tons supertalls above 300m in one incredible busy block on earth and where the skyscraper begin explains to you why Dubai will never even have a dime on Chicago :bash:! Not to mention, other cities like NYC and HK know for their densities of high rises! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/DubaiMarinaMap1.jpg


A1 - Al Marsa Tower
A2 - Emirates Crown
A3 - Princess Tower
A4 - Le Reve
A5 - Al Najd Tower
A6 - The Marina Crown Tower
A7 - Ocean Heights Tower
A8 - No. 1 Dubai Marina
Bi - The Torch
B2 - Marina Pinacle
B3 - ???
B4 - ???
B5 - ???
B6 - Al Seef Tower
C1 - Marina Heights Tower
C2 - Mag 218 Tower
C3 - ???
C4 - ???
C5 - 23 Marina Tower


The 110 floors tower should be located on the unmarked plots on the botom.


Overview of the aerea:

April 6th, (by Tom_Green) (from left - right: Al Marsa, Le Reve, Marina Crown, No.1 Marina, Al Seef & Marina Heights)

http://tinypic.com/4jtf6t


Same aerea on May 8th :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture023.jpg


Picture (Tom_Green) of an wider aerea, including Grosvenor House (211 m) on the left and Murjan & Musk Towers (185 m) on the right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/4l3ccy1.jpg


An aerial of the aerea from the forum member soennecken:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/DM1.jpg


:cheers:


^^^^^^^^^^
It is just hilarious to see this huge block of dubai marina completing by few tall towers sticking out with huge gaps and claming to be the tallest block on earth,LOL. Trust me, I have seem taller and more impressive skyline then that pathetic block from dubai.

Chicago - City of big shoulders, has two major big shoulders(blocks) only divided by small chicago river and if combine them together, you are easily looking at the tallest big block in the world without any doubt! South of chicago river, Chicago Loop(Business district)Lead by Searstower and Aon with countless supertalls above 330m-250m and not to mention, they are all in one tight block area, not the gap you can so FREELY see in that above dubai block. Another big shoulder is da North Chicago(Residential)Lead by JHC in north of chicago river and again tons of supertalls and highrises around 300m-200m and along the lake shore dr. making it another easy tallest block that easily dwarf dubai in light years! Trust me, my words aint enuf to discribe it all, see it yourself!
http://www.homebrew.gr.jp/pictures/oha-chicago.jpg
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/7785/downtownchicago25dk.jpg

And looking at the below pic of the north chicago from chicago loop, can you EVEN count the sheer heights of the supertalls from second tallest part on earth after chicago loop.
http://gallery.nedworks.org/albums/Chicago/aaj.jpg

And here, we are looking at the two major blocks of partial chicago, the left north chicago block got cut off. Don't make me laugh dubai, but the block of lake shore drive/gold coast resident high rises' height enuf to compare with dubai, and not to mention, the north chicago block and the tallest block in the world chicago loop.
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/chicagobyair.jpg

Oh, my second pick goes to NYC!
Don't tell me that dubai's any or total blocks can even be taller than the NYC downtown alone, don't forget that Manhantan is another massive tall pile ups!

My third pick goes to HK!
You should know clearly how dense HK is with their high rises due to their restricted height caz of hill tops and areas to be built. However, it is more of shoreline along the hills rather than the big block that is why it is way behind Chicago and NYC in this area!

There are way more cities that I didn't mention have way more height in one block than Dubai, some like Shanghai....

boys boys boys,each to his own. Anyways that is not a ROAD its a residence access raod for the buildinsg basements. anyway a block is defined as a series of structures surrounded by a network of road to which access is gained by each building.
the size is not universally given as say a NY block is structed and squre in a grid pattern where a say Shanghi block radiates from a central point so its a different shape but serves the same function.

This thread was to point out that there is no-where on the plant with as many 200m+ towers within such a confined BLOCK , I mean we are talking about a 300 by 150m area whci is not big at all and yet it has so many towers over 200m

LOL, Hey, stick your head out Dubainian! It isn't the only city that has so many 200m+ tower in a confined BLOCK, try the tallest block on the universe,CHICAGO! Oh, many of 200m+ towers seem a bit short in our chicagoan standard here, try many 280m+ supertalls with couple of WTBs of chicago loop in one tight confined BLOCK! I am starting to wonder why Dubai is still an unknown city to many, its ignorant to learn from da best!LOL :)

Even Chicago:

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Chicago+skyscrapers/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=12hokn7t6/EXP=1117576888/*-http%3A//www.ee.ucla.edu/~somdeb/images/Chicago/chicago0032.JPG

http://rds.yahoo.com/S=96062883/K=Downtown+Chicago/v=2/SID=e/l=IVI/SIG=11ume0f02/EXP=1117577470/*-http%3A//www.sans.org/greatlakes/chicago.gif

http://www.bordneraerials.com/images/pic014.jpg

and don't forget that there is the Trump tower being built well over 1,100 ft. tall, plus plenty other towers 800 ft. to 950 ft. tall going up. :)

Good point! If you are also talking about the near future, we will have Trump, waterview and Forham spires and lots of supertalls from 500m-300m packed in da super tight block of chicago loop!

^What r u crying for?


Dubai will have the tallest block, it doesnt now.

Smussuw , whenever some pathetic soul feesl desperate and lacks confidence , this is what it does :D just ignore him and Dubai will give him a huge surprise 5 years from now ;)

^ LoL

They are really happy about their new skyscraper forgetting that they will never have the tallest.

This guy isn't even able to convert meters to feet :rofl:

LOL and he does not know what a block is :hahaha:

trolling an thread that is old news to us just to talk up crap

Toronto's MINT block is also a very compact area of tall buildings...an area roughly 400m X 400m. It contains over 2.5 million sq metres of built space. This kind of concentration in that small an area is pretty hard to beat.






KGB

^What r u crying for?


Dubai will have the tallest block, it doesnt now.

Crying? LOL, try laughing on the claim by the thread starter! :bash:

Yes, Dubai doesn't have and it never will, why, cause it is lack of judgement when it compare to da best in the world.
Oh, Du baias!
:weirdo:

Smussuw , whenever some pathetic soul feesl desperate and lacks confidence , this is what it does :D just ignore him and Dubai will give him a huge surprise 5 years from now ;)

Chicago Loop is the tallest block on earth and I am full of confidence on this one that you dubainians are the deperate ones hoping and wishing in the years to come. Ever wondering WHO is going to live in this tallest BLOCK wannabe which claiming to be tallest block on planet<--LOL! This deserted place of Dubai couldn't have been more crowded with all these projects in next 5 years, suprise me with these skyscrapers, a little bit, to think it all will be vancant and empty, oh yea! That will be the huge surprise I see it comming 5 years from now :runaway: Until then, lets see who still is the world's tallest block! :)

As far as chicago goes in next 5 years, its block will continue to be even taller and that I see it comming! With its current supertall building booms, Dubai, take the back seat and see the master at work once again! :)

Dubai sucks. Your blocks are like a mile long.

LOL, totally agree! After all it is in da desert, the less roads the better for them! So they make out this so called block of theirs that are more like line. They need more sand cause they prefer traveling on camel. :)

lol ur way more than confident

Dubai will have 17 towers over 300 meters.

Where the hell would u find that in chicago?

lol ur way more than confident

Dubai will have 17 towers over 300 meters.

Where the hell would u find that in chicago?

That is impressive for a city the size of dubai! I think that Dubai marina's block = 10 blocks in chicago loop. Why doesn't dubai just make their block 1 mile long so that we can compare its total heights with chicago loop and possibily with the north chicago. :)

BTW, if dubai really want to hyped up their ambition with 1 mile block size with supertalls, the pic of chicago skyline below is about the same block size. Try it and we will see who is the tallest! :cheers:
http://img13.exs.cx/img13/7785/downtownchicago25dk.jpg

What about this block as KGB already mentioned.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v203/CrazyCanuck07/DSCF0167.jpg

^^^^^^
:) That Toronto block is quite cluster and tall too! What do you think of chicago loop block or its north side block where JHC is?
http://www.angkor.com/2bangkok/chicagobyair.jpg

We are talking about two different points.

We said the tallest block, we didnt say the most dense. We've never said that Dubai will be as dense as HK, Newyork or even chicago.

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/224/block24pb.jpg

I think uve missed this pictures

We are talking about two different points.

We said the tallest block, we didnt say the most dense. We've never said that Dubai will be as dense as HK, Newyork or even chicago.

Yea, I know, but Dubai's 1 blcok size like the dubai marina are unusally large and extended. With the same size of that in Chicago loop. I think the heights for chicago loop would be taller, what do you think? :)

I think uve missed this pictures

Wow! Very nice render of dubai marina block! Its block occpies about the size of 8X3=24 block size in chicago loop tho! :runaway:

When that block is completed then we'll talk, but for now, sorry an uncompleted block just does not count.
The area around the John Hancock could give Toronto's Mint district a run for its money, but the sheer size and amount of buildings in the Mint area of Toronto takes the cake I think, and with the addition of Trump(325m) in the next few years, will only cement its status. But Toronto has nothing on the Chicago loop, i'll admit that. The sheer size and balance makes it one of the worlds best skylines only comapred to by two other cities, HK, and NY.

:) When that block is completed then we'll talk, but for now, sorry an uncompleted block just does not count.
The area around the John Hancock could give Toronto's Mint district a run for its money, but the sheer size and amount of buildings in the Mint area of Toronto takes the cake I think, and with the addition of Trump(325m) in the next few years, will only cement its status. But Toronto has nothing on the Chicago loop, i'll admit that. The sheer size and balance makes it one of the worlds best skylines only comapred to by two other cities, HK, and NY.

Yea, I know that mint district of Toronto is all about cluster and sheer height! But chicago loop and its north side which cut by chicago river should consider as one continues huge block and if you count the total height in that one big block, you will know the tallest block has crown its top on the windy city! :) Only HK, NYC, Shanghai, Toronto and possible Dubai in the future can kinda compare side by side with the block height.

I think the tallest block right now, where there is no doubt that it is a block, are the 2 Petronas Towers. Together 904m tall.

I think uve missed this pictures


To me, it looks like you could fit four Manhattan blocks in that Dubai block.

But anyway, where does Dubai get all the money for this? Oil?

I really dont care whether it was the tallest block or not OR whether the block is bigger than other blocks in other places. What am really concered about is that Dubai will have 17 towers over 300 m. No other country have this number :D.

To me, it looks like you could fit four Manhattan blocks in that Dubai block.

But anyway, where does Dubai get all the money for this? Oil?

Oil contribute 5% of Dubai's GPA from 33% in 1990.


What can I say, we have smart people.

building at that rate, you don't.

"Oil contribute 5% of Dubai's GPA from 33% in 1990."
That might be correct you cant deny that the current growth is only (partly but to large extent) possible because of the wealth that oil has brought the region. Of course it takes smart and well positioned people to see the opportunities and take a country so far is such a short time.

^ Am not denying that either but every country needs a basis to start from.

Sorry smussuw, the word WILL just doesn't cut it. Stop arguing about the future and start arguing about the now.

Okay, Dubai already have THREE over 300 meters.

It already have EIGHT towers under construction over 300 meters.

By counting what Dubai already have U/C towers over 300 it pass Chicago and Toronto easily.

Infact Dubai with U/C towers pass all the cities in the world even before building all the 17 towers.

Does that satisfy you :|

Okay, Dubai already have THREE over 300 meters.

It already have EIGHT towers under construction over 300 meters.

By counting what Dubai already have U/C towers over 300 it pass Chicago and Toronto easily.

Infact Dubai with U/C towers pass all the cities in the world even before building all the 17 towers.

Does that satisfy you :|

Unfortunately, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM are incredibly tacky, overdone, and gaudy. It be one thing if Dubai had skyscrapers with some sense of style and class, then I'd give it respect but it doesnt so I cant. Height is great but style is even better.

Honestly i don`t like this! It can have some great skyscrapers but look around those buldings! There is nothing! A feeling of desert! No-life, artificialy, no history...



http://img292.echo.cx/img292/224/block24pb.jpg

smussuw- "Okay, Dubai already have THREE over 300 meters.

It already have EIGHT towers under construction over 300 meters.

By counting what Dubai already have U/C towers over 300 it pass Chicago and Toronto easily.

Infact Dubai with U/C towers pass all the cities in the world even before building all the 17 towers.

Does that satisfy you "

No it doesn't satisfy me because we are talking about a city block, not the whole fucking city. Don't flaunt what you don't got.

The Toronto cluster has to be one of the taller blocks around, certainly not at the very top of the list but its damn tall. And to think Trump Tower may be added to this block, +1000fter. Sapphire Tower is probably to far away to be included.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/Copper12/154601630rDnGBy_ph.jpg

"Sapphire Tower is probably to far away to be included."


Unless we want to expand the MINT block, Saphire is a block north of it, and not included.

And if we want to extend MINT to include the entire financial district (Yonge, Front, University and Queen), then it's still pretty dense with tall buildings...especially with future additions such as 100 Adelaide, Saphire, Bay/Adelaide office...plus what may turn out to be the tallest...the BA North Condo/mixed-use tower.



Oh...and that rendering of Dubai with those dozen tall towers...is just so terrible in every way...architecturally...and from a city planning aspect...what idiot thinks this makes for a great "city" ?







KGB

Yea the Toronto cluster is great...I worked in it for 4 months at an accounting firm in the RBC building right outside Union Station, so I got to appreciate it everyday! m))

Unfortunately, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM are incredibly tacky, overdone, and gaudy. It be one thing if Dubai had skyscrapers with some sense of style and class, then I'd give it respect but it doesnt so I cant. Height is great but style is even better.:?

Ok I like Chicago, but I think most ppl would agree when they say Dubai does have a great sense of style. You are entitled to your opinion...but if you had to ask a lot of people who simply appreciate skyscrapers, i'm sure they would agree that the buildings you see in that picture look better than most of the boxes in Chicago.

Honestly i don`t like this! It can have some great skyscrapers but look around those buldings! There is nothing! A feeling of desert! No-life, artificialy, no history...

In the picture, most of the barren land you see will be landscaped. Again with the no-history comments...geez enough with all the negativity! Artificial? :ohno:...Since when was constructing buildings artificial?....I guess this whole website should be labeled as artificial since it's all about skyscrapers.:bash:


http://img292.echo.cx/img292/224/block24pb.jpg

As a Canadian, I can appreciate what Dubai is doing. I don't know why other ppl have so much negativity towards Dubai, especially some of my fellow Torontonians. :dunno: If some of you watched Sportsnet or even Canadian news, you will hear how Canadians living down there are really enjoying themselves and rave about how friendly the ppl in Dubai are and what a beautiful city it is. Considering that picture above was complete sand 5 years ago, I am extremely impressed with what Dubai has done. :applause:

:?

Ok I like Chicago, but I think most ppl would agree when they say Dubai does have a great sense of style. You are entitled to your opinion...but if you had to ask a lot of people who simply appreciate skyscrapers, i'm sure they would agree that the buildings you see in that picture look better than most of the boxes in Chicago.

Style??? In what sense of the word? Damn near everything there is overdone. Its like comparing Dolly Parton to Jacqueline Kennedy. It screams for attention and doing so in the wrong way. There is not a single skyscraper that screams for attention, (not even the Sears Tower in simple black) or is covered in funky neon lighting in Chicago but its nonetheless a member of the "Big Three". ALOT can be said for subtlty.(sp?) And if I asked alot of people that can appreciate ARCHITECTURE, Im even more sure that they would agree that the mere "boxes", that youve managed to reduce them to, have more class and style than anything thats coming out of Dubai right now. When you try too hard, it shows. There is absolutely no fluidity in Dubai's skyline. Everyone simply wants to outdo everyone else with absolutely no concern as to how it would come together in the end. I thank goodness that I live in a city where city officials understand that placement and a good sense of architecture comes first in planning a cityscape. Dubai has a looooong way to go in terms of great architecture and a few tallest this and a few tallest that doesnt mean a thing in the end. But thats just part of my opinion...

Btw, I admire Dubai's ambition greatly but I honestly feel that they are doing ALOT (I cant stress this enough) wrong as far as planning and architecture.

These look like something you would buy at the dollar store. I like the curvy one though.

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/224/block24pb.jpg

I guess nothing would satify those north americans :D

In the picture, most of the barren land you see will be landscaped. Again with the no-history comments...geez enough with all the negativity! Artificial? :ohno:...Since when was constructing buildings artificial?....I guess this whole website should be labeled as artificial since it's all about skyscrapers.:bash:




That argument doesn`t work! I`m sorry! The question of it it`s not the architecture itself but the way it`s placed in the landscape! So your comment "I guess this whole website should be labeled as artificial since it's all about skyscrapers.:bash:" is not valid at all! More: it seems not quite smart to generalize one case (the one i refered) to all of the world.. Even more: no history means no strong meaning, history gives an identity to a city.

Regards.

If history is all you can talk about your city, that means only one thing: there's no progress in your city and no future in sight.

Lss your a complete Idiot ,and a pathetic one at that

Dubai does have history , but most of it is located next to the water and in the mountains of hatta . sorry there arent castles on every spot of a 1000+ square mile city.

idiot

Yes, it's impressive what Dubai is doing, but skyscrapers don't make a city. That's why Dubai will never compare with Chicago, London, Paris, Los Angeles, Madrid, New York, Hong Kong, Miami, Rome, etc. etc, cities with hundreds of years of history, yet at the same time, a glamorous future as well.

I think Dubai people need to get off their high horse, or their "high spire" and realize that Dubai is not a world class city. At least not in 2005.

^could u please define "world calss city"?

well, our history begins now ;)

still a stupid thread :ohno:

some people don't get it

you say dubai is an architectural failure
sure, there are some tacky ugly buildings, but not everything can be jaw-dropping

just look at the buildings in chicago, eg emporis
i'm not saying chicago is a bad city or whatever
although i've never been there i'm very sure it's an extremely interesting city and on my top 5 list i want to visit asap

anyway, checking the buildings on emporis and various other photos the buildings in particular are not the best either
or do you think this huge block called aon center is attracting or more attracting than one of the new dubai towers of this size

since when are the emirates towers or the burj al arab tacky?

what i mean is, you talk about architectural failure, but have a lot of architectural failures in your city too

dubai has a different design, it's being built in a completely different way than any other city has been built before
many towers have arabic designs in it and the only thing you do is to bash it from top to bottom, as a matter of fact you don't like it!

has anyone of us started this bashing on your city? NO!

once we start a thread about any project in our city, we immediately get to hear stupid, wrong, ignorant and biased comments
have you ever seen us attacking your city in such a bad way you do with dubai? NO!

a bit more respect to what other countries, especially newbies are building up
that's all we want

nobody asks you to love it
you can post criticism, but don't get this old, senseless "dubai sucks" or "dubai can't cope with any city" bullshit started over and over again

the vision and the unique ambition to build a whole new city at a fast pace is what makes this place interesting


when i have to read "dubai has no history" i'm about to go mad
it might be not as spectacular as other countries' history, but it's reaching far far back, believe me very far.
it doesn't give you the right to make fun of it or call it a fake city

no such thing exists! it's real, it's live, it's actually happening!!!


another thing:
comments like "skyscrapers don't make a city" are very true, but dubai doesn't only build towers for the fun of it. all the things majot cities have are in the making right now

when we talk about dubai, aways keep in mind we have to talk about the future
at this time dubai doesn't have any chance to win against cities like chicago, nyc,...
this is of course bullshit

it's all about the vision and how it's going to be
dubai is too new in any way
economics, education,... everything you can imagine


the last thing which annoys me all the time are the rough words against the desert
dubai is located at the sea and has excellent beaches and will get more when the 3 palms, the world and dubai waterfront have been completed
with these projects dubai gains 1000kms of new beach!!!!!!! 1000kms!!!!!

on the other side of the city is the desert, a fascinating place
trust me, before i went here for the first time i also thought, OMG, there's nothing but sand
HOW WRONG I WAS!!!!!

Lss your a complete Idiot ,and a pathetic one at that

Dubai does have history , but most of it is located next to the water and in the mountains of hatta . sorry there arent castles on every spot of a 1000+ square mile city.

idiot


First of all i was just talking about the buildings i see in the picture and not about all the city!
Second: What i see on that pic is actual!
Third: every city must be modern...too!
Fourth: Dubai_boy is your nick? Sorry but a guy so fanatic by his city of course he can`t tolerate anybody say anything about bad without loosing control of his self and calling idiot and pathetic to others! Of course i wouldn`t ever take you seriously and be offended!

Stay cool...boy! Grow up and try to be more like a dubai_man!

dubai has a different design, it's being built in a completely different way than any other city has been built before
many towers have arabic designs in it and the only thing you do is to bash it from top to bottom, as a matter of fact you don't like it!

has anyone of us started this bashing on your city? NO!

once we start a thread about any project in our city, we immediately get to hear stupid, wrong, ignorant and biased comments
have you ever seen us attacking your city in such a bad way you do with dubai? NO!

a bit more respect to what other countries, especially newbies are building up
that's all we want

nobody asks you to love it
you can post criticism, but don't get this old, senseless "dubai sucks" or "dubai can't cope with any city" bullshit started over and over again

the vision and the unique ambition to build a whole new city at a fast pace is what makes this place interesting


when i have to read "dubai has no history" i'm about to go mad
it might be not as spectacular as other countries' history, but it's reaching far far back, believe me very far.
it doesn't give you the right to make fun of it or call it a fake city


well said mate, but unfortunately no body understand or appreciate these words. :ohno:

Let me explain something dubailover.....

The towers in Chicago DO look outdated in todays world. They are still beautiful, the whole trio, Sears, Aon, and especially Hancock, my favorite Chicago Tower.

Anyways, when they were built, that was the style at the time. In 30 years, like it or not, there will be a new style of skyscrapers. Who knows what they will look like. But all the towers in Dubai will look outdated by that point too. Keep in mind all of NY's art-deco skyscrapers were considered "futuristic" way back when they were built. Do they today? No. And neither will Dubai's towers in 20, 50, 70 years.

You say we keep bashing your city. But you just bashed Chicago. Dubai will never be on the same level as Chicago.

I try to respect Dubai, but the people from Dubai also like to ridicule the worlds greatest cities in other posts. In one post one forumer said the only beautiful skyscrapers, in the world, ever, existed in Dubai. How ignorant and shallow can one get? Dubai does have one of the greatest skyscrapers ever built in the Burj AL Arab, but how about Chicago, NY, Hong Kong, Melbourne, Los Angeles, etc etc.

The point is in the year 2005 Dubai is nothing. Not many people outside this forum have ever heard of it. I just asked my mom and my sister. Dubai? No, never heard of it. Dubai has a long, long way to go, regardless of how many towers they build.

by the way no one is jealous of Dubai

Dubai forumers, I would just like you to admit that you do not retain the tallest block on the planet as of August 7th, 2005. If you cannot admit that well you must have blinders on.

Dubai will only exist as a city that was so ambitious it built as many towers as it can to attract global attention... It will NEVER join the roster of New York, London, paris, Chicago and Tokyo as of now.

Agree! New York, London, Paris, Chicago, Tokyo and so on are the great cities of the planet! They`ve growed up naturally and not with an intention of making a big city to impress!

^ who said that dubai wants to be like those mentioned cities.

dubai is not copying any city in this globe. It just wants to be in its own style. Thats it.

I am envious of Dubai's construction boom and break-neck development, but I'm not envious of their urban environment. Dubai looks like a resort town, not a city.

There's a creepy Corbusian vibe about this city.

I am envious of Dubai's construction boom and break-neck development, but I'm not envious of their urban environment. Dubai looks like a resort town, not a city.

There's a creepy Corbusian vibe about this city.

check out this thread before you make stupid statements, make sure you check out all the pages http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203569
you will see dubai is very much a great city.

here is a sample
http://tinypic.com/4kdxtl

http://tinypic.com/4ktkis

http://tinypic.com/4ktks9

http://tinypic.com/4ktl6d

http://tinypic.com/4ktla9

http://tinypic.com/4ktlhv

http://tinypic.com/4ktliv

Inside of Emriates Hotel Tower
http://tinypic.com/4ktlkm

http://tinypic.com/4ktlol

http://tinypic.com/4ktlbb

Inside a shopping mall
http://tinypic.com/4ktlrr

http://tinypic.com/4ktm2u
The creek
http://tinypic.com/4kdvl5

Sit down and enjoy your life :)
http://tinypic.com/4kdvlz

http://tinypic.com/4kdvnm
Sharjahs skyline is really nice.
http://tinypic.com/4kdw8l

The Harbour of Dubai
http://tinypic.com/4kdw9h

One of my fears was that the whole city is a construction site but there is not so much construction in the old center.
http://tinypic.com/4kdxqr

The SZR
http://tinypic.com/4kdxtl

http://tinypic.com/4kdxxj

http://tinypic.com/4kdxye




http://tinypic.com/4juxd4

http://tinypic.com/4juxdz

The SZR
http://tinypic.com/4juxhs

The World under construction
http://tinypic.com/4juxj4

http://tinypic.com/4juxjq

http://tinypic.com/4juxl1

http://tinypic.com/4juxox

No one told me that Sharjah has such an impressive Skyline.
http://tinypic.com/4juxpx

http://tinypic.com/4juxrl

http://tinypic.com/4juz28

Palm Deira in the distance
http://tinypic.com/4juz4i

I have taken this pics during my meeting with Altind

http://tinypic.com/4juzbn

http://tinypic.com/4juzcp

http://tinypic.com/4juzgj

Altind: Thank you for showing me this place
http://tinypic.com/4juzh3

http://tinypic.com/4juzhz
http://tinypic.com/4ln3uc
http://tinypic.com/4ln3wh
http://tinypic.com/4ln42w
http://tinypic.com/4ln43m
http://tinypic.com/4l3bwh
http://tinypic.com/4l3f9c :)
http://tinypic.com/4l3eia
http://tinypic.com/4l3ekx
http://tinypic.com/4l3eok

http://tinypic.com/4jkggl

http://tinypic.com/4jkgv5

http://tinypic.com/4jkgwm

http://tinypic.com/4jkh0m

http://tinypic.com/4jkh29

http://tinypic.com/4jkh6o

Twins reflecting the sun
http://tinypic.com/4jkh85

Water traffic
http://tinypic.com/4jkha0

The old towers of Dubai
http://tinypic.com/4jkhdt

http://tinypic.com/4jkhft

A secret message :D
http://tinypic.com/4jkhky
http://tinypic.com/4j2kcm
http://tinypic.com/4j2k61
http://tinypic.com/4j2kae
http://tinypic.com/4j2kb4
http://tinypic.com/4j74p0
http://tinypic.com/4j74hk
http://tinypic.com/4j74w6
http://tinypic.com/4j7pmu

http://tinypic.com/52cfmb

http://tinypic.com/4lreon

do you still think Dubai is a fake city?

^ this post will shut up some mouths.

"this post will shut up some mouths."

No it won't! JK

We're a little touchy about Dubai, aren't we!


"check out this thread before you make stupid statements, make sure you check out all the pages http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203569
you will see dubai is very much a great city."

I can say as many stupid things as I want.


In all seriousness, I think you misread my post because most would agree that the construction boom in Dubai more Corbusian than urban.

Well so much for being civil. Stupid comments can only be taken for soo long.

Style??? In what sense of the word? Damn near everything there is overdone. Its like comparing Dolly Parton to Jacqueline Kennedy. It screams for attention and doing so in the wrong way. There is not a single skyscraper that screams for attention, (not even the Sears Tower in simple black) or is covered in funky neon lighting in Chicago but its nonetheless a member of the "Big Three". ALOT can be said for subtlty.(sp?)



Overdone? Everything looks fantastic if you ask me. (with the exception of a few) Buddy, yu obviously have some issue with Dubai and you are using this thread to vent out your hatred towards it. Screams for attention? Is that is why Chicago followed with the Sears Tower right after the Twin towers were built?...R u telling me they didn't want the attention of the world for having the world's tallest building back then?!?! Man, i'm sure ppl could have said Chicago was screaming for attention at the time. Even now, Chicago has gone ahead with plans to build a building much higher and flashier building than the proposed freedom tower, thus maintaining the claim of having The North American WTB title. Did i think it was screaming for attention. Well maybe not put exactly that way but what's wrong with wanting the best. You are being VERY VERY HYPOCRITICAL IF U SAY DUBAI IS SCREAMING FOR ATTENTION WHEN CHICAGO IS CLEARLY DOING THE SAME. Big 3?!?! I highly doubt that. I like the Sears Tower, but if you want my honest opinion it is not nearly as great as you make it out to be. ESB looks way better than the Sears Tower. In fact there are many buildings in the world that have a much greater sense of style than the Sears Tower. You are from Chicago, so I can understand your bias towards it, but please refrain yourself from making hypocritical comments. It is VERY VEYR ANNOYING! Oh and obviously you have your own opinion of style (obviously much different from mine but that's ok) which you are entitled to but just refrain from the hypocritical comments.

And if I asked alot of people that can appreciate ARCHITECTURE, Im even more sure that they would agree that the mere "boxes", that youve managed to reduce them to, have more class and style than anything thats coming out of Dubai right now. When you try too hard, it shows. There is absolutely no fluidity in Dubai's skyline. Everyone simply wants to outdo everyone else with absolutely no concern as to how it would come together in the end. I thank goodness that I live in a city where city officials understand that placement and a good sense of architecture comes first in planning a cityscape. Dubai has a looooong way to go in terms of great architecture and a few tallest this and a few tallest that doesnt mean a thing in the end. But thats just part of my opinion...


Ok I respect your opinion in this passage but I think you are misinformed about the planning. You might not see the fluidity but it is there. Visit the actual Sub-Dubai forum (there is a lot there) but you will see how carefully Dubai's entire development is being planned. So again when you make comments like you did about no fluidity, and thank god you live in a city where city officials understand etc., it is again very annoying but I can't blame you on this one because you are just ignorant since you don't know all the information about Dubai.


Btw, I admire Dubai's ambition greatly but I honestly feel that they are doing ALOT (I cant stress this enough) wrong as far as planning and architecture.

Again, i disagree but I doubt i'll change your mind. If you honestly researched Dubai you will understand why they are building so much in the first place and how it will all come together. Please do this before you continue posting about Dubai because "in my opinion" no sane person would say the things you ahve said about Dubai after truly knowing a substantial amount of knowledge regarding Dubai

Well so much for being civil. Stupid comments can only be taken for soo long.

Overdone? Everything looks fantastic if you ask me. (with the exception of a few) Buddy, yu obviously have some issue with Dubai and you are using this thread to vent out your hatred towards it. Screams for attention? Is that is why Chicago followed with the Sears Tower right after the Twin towers were built?...R u telling me they didn't want the attention of the world for having the world's tallest building back then?!?! Man, i'm sure ppl could have said Chicago was screaming for attention at the time. Even now, Chicago has gone ahead with plans to build a building much higher and flashier building than the proposed freedom tower, thus maintaining the claim of having The North American WTB title. Did i think it was screaming for attention. Well maybe not put exactly that way but what's wrong with wanting the best. You are being VERY VERY HYPOCRITICAL IF U SAY DUBAI IS SCREAMING FOR ATTENTION WHEN CHICAGO IS CLEARLY DOING THE SAME. Big 3?!?! I highly doubt that. I like the Sears Tower, but if you want my honest opinion it is not nearly as great as you make it out to be. ESB looks way better than the Sears Tower. In fact there are many buildings in the world that have a much greater sense of style than the Sears Tower. You are from Chicago, so I can understand your bias towards it, but please refrain yourself from making hypocritical comments. It is VERY VEYR ANNOYING! Oh and obviously you have your own opinion of style (obviously much different from mine but that's ok) which you are entitled to but just refrain from the hypocritical comments.

Issues? Please get over yourself!! Fortunately enough, for me, I have a life outside of the forum. I recommend the same for you and a dose of maturity. Whats with the name calling? And of course, the only reason the Sears Tower was even drawn up was to outdo the WTC. *note the sarcasm* And fine, I'll give it to you about Chicago screaming for attention at the time but it had a plan and it wasnt asking the world to look at it simply for the sake of doing so. Sure Chicago has this recent proposal but when was the last time Chicago had another serious proposal like this? Several years ago. Every other day you have some prince and greedy developer in Dubai trying to outdo one another making a mockery of themselves and the city. Nothing works together. Hell, even in the midst of city government corruption, Chicago still pulls out classier architecture and public art(parks) when its not even trying. My point is, if Dubai didnt try so fucking hard on putting itself on the map with these gaudy assed structures more people would respect it and it would reach the masses as far as having an international image. But it doesnt. Barely anyone knows anything about Dubai off of the forum, which just goes to show that when you try too hard to be seen, you're ignored. Btw, I have no issues OR hatred with Dubai personally although you'd like it if I did to make yourself feel better but I dont so I dont what to tell you.

The "Big Three" was in reference to skylines since thats what we're talking. You have a problem with that, it sounds like a personal problem to me. I also dont care about you liking ESB more. Who gives a rats ass?

And lets get one other thing straight, IM NOT FROM CHICAGO!!! Get your info straight before you start with personal attacks.


Ok I respect your opinion in this passage but I think you are misinformed about the planning. You might not see the fluidity but it is there. Visit the actual Sub-Dubai forum (there is a lot there) but you will see how carefully Dubai's entire development is being planned. So again when you make comments like you did about no fluidity, and thank god you live in a city where city officials understand etc., it is again very annoying but I can't blame you on this one because you are just ignorant since you don't know all the information about Dubai.

Once again, if the "planning" is there than they need to rethink it because it is horrible. And Im going by the countless pics posted of the city. But I guess Im just ignorant. You know us...



Again, i disagree but I doubt i'll change your mind. If you honestly researched Dubai you will understand why they are building so much in the first place and how it will all come together. Please do this before you continue posting about Dubai because "in my opinion" no sane person would say the things you ahve said about Dubai after truly knowing a substantial amount of knowledge regarding Dubai

Lots of sane people agree with me on this. And because others dont think the world of Dubai, we're crazy and ignorant? That says alot about the narrow-minded view on your end. And I recommend doing the same for Chicago. Open your eyes before you start reducing great architecture to mere boxes and bland this and bland that.

And let me state once more, I dont have a problem with Dubai. I am by NO means jealous of anything that Dubai has. I have a problem with its tacky, overdone developments. Dubai is trying to get where Chicago has already been. And no, you havent changed my mind or the misinformation about anything. You just went on a tirade whipping personal insults around. You didnt give a single reason that would change my mind.

Anyway, Im quite bored now...

Every other day you have some prince and greedy developer in Dubai trying to outdo one another making a mockery of themselves and the city. Nothing works together. Hell, even in the midst of city government corruption, Chicago still pulls out classier architecture and public art(parks) when its not even trying. My point is, if Dubai didnt try so fucking hard on putting itself on the map with these gaudy assed structures more people would respect it and it would reach the masses as far as having an international image. But it doesnt. Barely anyone knows anything about Dubai off of the forum, which just goes to show that when you try too hard to be seen, you're ignored. Btw, I have no issues OR hatred with Dubai personally although you'd like it if I did to make yourself feel better but I dont so I dont what to tell you.

"Greedy developer"? What exactly are you basing this on? Or better yet do you have sources to back up these ridiculous statements? When you say "Dubai tries so fucking hard", it's obvious you have issues with Dubai. Your anger is clearly expressed in that sentence. In terms of recognition, many ppl in Europe and in Asia know much more about Dubai. In North America, Dubai is not well known yet but that will change in the upcoming years. Despite Chicago being around for decades, there are still many people outside North America that don't know too much about it besides the Sears Tower.


The "Big Three" was in reference to skylines since thats what we're talking.


If you say so, Hong Kong, New York, Shanghai all have more impressive skylines if you ask me, chicago is up there for sure though.



And lets get one other thing straight, IM NOT FROM CHICAGO!!! Get your info straight before you start with personal attacks.

Sorry, I thought u were since beside location below your avatar you have Chicago.


Once again, if the "planning" is there than they need to rethink it because it is horrible. And Im going by the countless pics posted of the city. But I guess Im just ignorant. You know us...

Us?!?!...i just said you...and yes you are ignorant.


Lots of sane people agree with me on this. And because others dont think the world of Dubai, we're crazy and ignorant? That says alot about the narrow-minded view on your end. And I recommend doing the same for Chicago. Open your eyes before you start reducing great architecture to mere boxes and bland this and bland that.

No one ever said you had to think of the world of Dubai!!! Fuck, you really like twisting my words and implying things I never said. However, when you make ignorant comments like greedy developers, lack of planning and so on, what do you expect me to call you? You know shit about dubai and yet make harsh statements towards another city and then claim that you have no issues with it. Other than just "looking at pictures" ooooh that's sooo great, why don't u actually try reading something.


And let me state once more, I dont have a problem with Dubai. I am by NO means jealous of anything that Dubai has. I have a problem with its tacky, overdone developments. Dubai is trying to get where Chicago has already been. And no, you havent changed my mind or the misinformation about anything. You just went on a tirade whipping personal insults around. You didnt give a single reason that would change my mind.

Anyway, Im quite bored now...

Don't have a problem with Dubai...u sure do buddy...here are you few links if you every want to actually take up reading about a subject rather than looking at pictures

http://www.usatoday.com/marketplace/ibi/dubai.htm

http://www.ameinfo.com/37828.html

http://www.retirementhavens.com/res...vens/dubai.html

and here's another post by a Dubai forumer which should give you a bit more insight:

My new strategy to teach people about dubai in those stupid city vs. city threads.
i will just post the following in every single one of those:



To get informed about Dubai, you should visit THIS (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=210258) Thread.

If you don't believe all the projects are under construction, have a look HERE (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=377) , where all towers, and projects are listed, usually with plenty of U/C pictures and press releases.
The link leads to the UAE forum, be sure you find the time to spend several hours there due the mass of threads.
You should also visit the Sky Majilis (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=535) , where you might find out more about what is going on in the city, which laws are made , which problems occur etc.

To get photos showing the city, and the landscape, and even the "real" dazzling city, have a look at the Photo Section (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448) .
If you think Dubai is "fake and plastic afterall" you should also visit this place HERE (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=225825)

If you have any further Questions, feel free to ask HERE (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=222598) and you will get answers.

Thanks for your interest in Dubai. Have a nice day. :cheers:

Okay let`s talk about architecture in Dubai.

How much i know about architecture:
I am not an expert but i know who Kenzo Tange and Sir Norman Foster are.
I was in Dubai, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Paris, Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka, Macao, Kyoto, Frankfurt, Nara, Kobe.
My favorite building in Shenzhen is the World Finance Centre, Tower A
You most copy the link.
[url]http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=156876

Hong Kong
One Peking Road
[url]ttp://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=100612

I like the SwissRe and the Törning Torso in Malmö,too. My favorite new skyscraper in New York is Conde Nast.

Now to Dubais architecture. I was only 3 days in this city but i saw the main construction sites.

I like Dubais architecture. The city is growing very very fast but you don`t have the feeling they didn`t care about this.
Some towers are not very nice. They are a little bit older.
http://tinypic.com/a44c2s.jpg

Now to buildings i like more. Let`s make a scale from 1 - 6. 6 is good and 1 is bad. Swiss Re or turning Torso would get a 8 but 6 is still world class.

Buildings i would rate with a 3.
http://tinypic.com/9qwiub.jpg


Buildings i would rate with 4
http://tinypic.com/9pswhh.jpg
http://tinypic.com/4j7pkp
http://tinypic.com/6h0xg7.jpg


Buildings i would rate with 5
http://tinypic.com/4j2kjm
http://tinypic.com/4j751d
http://tinypic.com/4jtef4
http://tinypic.com/4jtfde
http://tinypic.com/4kxz0g
Buildings i would rate with 6
http://tinypic.com/4jtfs1

heres a real tacky building in Dubai :D
http://tinypic.com/4j2kv6

This is the situation now. But there are many other towers u/c in Dubai that are very beautiful (i have seen many many renders).

"Greedy developer"? What exactly are you basing this on? Or better yet do you have sources to back up these ridiculous statements? When you say "Dubai tries so fucking hard", it's obvious you have issues with Dubai. Your anger is clearly expressed in that sentence. In terms of recognition, many ppl in Europe and in Asia know much more about Dubai. In North America, Dubai is not well known yet but that will change in the upcoming years. Despite Chicago being around for decades, there are still many people outside North America that don't know too much about it besides the Sears Tower.

Why do I have to be bashing anything?? It is what it is. The anger expressed wasnt with Dubai, it was with your comments. I dont have issues with Dubai. Not its history, people or anything else personal. I have "issues", once again, with its developments and apparently YOU now.

And greedy developers was in reference due to that I havent seen many developers that arent greedy. Hell money is to be made right now with these projects in Dubai so why not jump on the opportunity. Fuck style, class and cohesion. Lets just put up tallest this and that and call it a day. I guess style is subjective in the end but I feel for those who have none. Subtly goes a loooooong way. Their developments should try it. It works wonders. Hell, give me an ounce of substance and Im pretty sure its there but in the end, if big shiny, tacky ass structures with pretty lights do it for you then, you know what, more power to you. Just dont be surprised when people look at you like youre stupid.



Us?!?!...i just said you...and yes you are ignorant.

I said "us" because Im not the only person out here in the world that shares the same the view, dumbfuck. Its funny how at the very moment someone doesnt like anything dealing with that damned city, people like yourself start with this pseudo-intelligent mindset that youre right and the rest better start thinking alike. YOU NEVER ONCE PRESENTED ANYTHING THAT WOULD CREATE A HEALTHY DEBATE!! You didnt like something I posted and jumped on it.



No one ever said you had to think of the world of Dubai!!! Fuck, you really like twisting my words and implying things I never said. However, when you make ignorant comments like greedy developers, lack of planning and so on, what do you expect me to call you? You know shit about dubai and yet make harsh statements towards another city and then claim that you have no issues with it. Other than just "looking at pictures" ooooh that's sooo great, why don't u actually try reading something.

I said looking at pictures because in the general forums, thats all you see...pictures and then comments on how the world needs to take heed. Dont ever try and begin to question my intelligence based on my simple dislike for Dubai's development. Wow! Talk about twisting things around and hypocrisy, huh?

I didnt twist anything around because I didnt state that you claimed anything that wasnt the truth by your previous posts. When you want to stop hurling insults asshole and actually discuss things seriously (if its doable), let me know because it'll be a shame if this thread is closed b/c of inane bullshit.

Oh and Shanghai?!? Im sorry but no...

Oh and by the way, dont get me wrong, Chicago has made many mistakes in the last decade with its choices of buildings but not on this massive scale. There is probably one project there in Dubai that isnt horrible. Its soaring, sleek, and is different in a good way while still maintaing a sense of what its trying to accomplish. I do not know the name though. Damn, I wish I knew the name.

Back on topic: When we say block, define the the word. Im noticing people mention entire dowtown areas but Im thinking a X by Y "block" of a downtown area. Im abit confused.

Your a very intellegent JERK chgoLvr83 and you know it ! :D

@ChgoLvr83
Why do I have to be bashing anything??

I said what are you "basing" this on, not "bashing," obviously you need help reading. Wow...i'm not even going to bother to continue talking further than beyond this post with you. I badly want to reply to all the crap you said but it will just go on forever, so i'll be the mature one and stop. You can continue to post replys to this post if it makes you feel like a bigger man. Obviously when an individual has to resort to repeated swearing to get all his points across, it only shows a lack of vocabulary and intelligence. Anyways i'll try and end this tedious argument by being civil. You have your opinion and I have mine. Have a good day.

@ChgoLvr83

Wow...i'm not even going to bother to continue talking with you. I badly want to reply but it will just go on forever, so i'll be the mature one and stop. Obviously when an individual has to resort to repeated swearing to get all his points across, it only shows a lack of voabulary and intelligence. Anyways i'll try and end this tedious argument by being civil. You have your opinion and I have mine. Have a good day.

and the canuk wins :D , seriously , i dont bother replying to these sort of people , Ubai is building non-stop and one day these sort of people will say "damn i was a complete jerk with extremly dumb ass opinions"

Wow, this got out of hand pretty quickly, so in a simple question, since my last couple haven't been answered or have been ignored, answer me this Dubai forumers, as of right now, does Dubai have one of the tallest blocks on the planet? Ones that can compete with HK, toronto, New York and Chicago?

Definitely not right now...although SZR is up there for sure right now

and the canuk wins :D , seriously , i dont bother replying to these sort of people , Ubai is building non-stop and one day these sort of people will say "damn i was a complete jerk with extremly dumb ass opinions"

*cough* cosigns *cough*

Let me know when you take your lips off of his ass. Not every one will agree on things like this. You act like the rest of the world will stop building but whatever... I simply dont like Dubai's development. The world wont end for either of us.

And Darknight, call me what you want and have a nice day.

ANd btw, a dumb ass opionion would be something like I hate black people not I hate Dubai's skyline. There's a bit of a difference, Dubai_Boy.

I digress...

still a stupid thread :ohno:

some people don't get it

you say dubai is an architectural failure
sure, there are some tacky ugly buildings, but not everything can be jaw-dropping

just look at the buildings in chicago, eg emporis
i'm not saying chicago is a bad city or whatever
although i've never been there i'm very sure it's an extremely interesting city and on my top 5 list i want to visit asap

anyway, checking the buildings on emporis and various other photos the buildings in particular are not the best either
or do you think this huge block called aon center is attracting or more attracting than one of the new dubai towers of this size

since when are the emirates towers or the burj al arab tacky?

what i mean is, you talk about architectural failure, but have a lot of architectural failures in your city too

dubai has a different design, it's being built in a completely different way than any other city has been built before
many towers have arabic designs in it and the only thing you do is to bash it from top to bottom, as a matter of fact you don't like it!

has anyone of us started this bashing on your city? NO!

once we start a thread about any project in our city, we immediately get to hear stupid, wrong, ignorant and biased comments
have you ever seen us attacking your city in such a bad way you do with dubai? NO!

a bit more respect to what other countries, especially newbies are building up
that's all we want

nobody asks you to love it
you can post criticism, but don't get this old, senseless "dubai sucks" or "dubai can't cope with any city" bullshit started over and over again

the vision and the unique ambition to build a whole new city at a fast pace is what makes this place interesting


when i have to read "dubai has no history" i'm about to go mad
it might be not as spectacular as other countries' history, but it's reaching far far back, believe me very far.
it doesn't give you the right to make fun of it or call it a fake city

no such thing exists! it's real, it's live, it's actually happening!!!


another thing:
comments like "skyscrapers don't make a city" are very true, but dubai doesn't only build towers for the fun of it. all the things majot cities have are in the making right now

when we talk about dubai, aways keep in mind we have to talk about the future
at this time dubai doesn't have any chance to win against cities like chicago, nyc,...
this is of course bullshit

it's all about the vision and how it's going to be
dubai is too new in any way
economics, education,... everything you can imagine


the last thing which annoys me all the time are the rough words against the desert
dubai is located at the sea and has excellent beaches and will get more when the 3 palms, the world and dubai waterfront have been completed
with these projects dubai gains 1000kms of new beach!!!!!!! 1000kms!!!!!

on the other side of the city is the desert, a fascinating place
trust me, before i went here for the first time i also thought, OMG, there's nothing but sand
HOW WRONG I WAS!!!!!

Thank god you just realize HOW WRONG YOU WERE!
First, I would say that Dubai is starting to get the attention a city deserve which mostly from its outstanding supertall projects in its questionable future. Most of them are quite modernistic and stylish in the sense that it will be done in the future,but I am starting to see that Dubai is building an empty shell. Also by bringing out this statement: "do you think this huge block called aon center is attracting or more attracting than one of the new dubai towers of this size" is just god damn shame for Dubai. What age of supertalls are we talking about? Aon center or Sears tower or Big John for that matter all built in da 70s and they are all among the world's tallest list and continue for somewhile. What was it like for Dubai in 70s, may I ask? Your lousy judgement from that statement is what makes Dubai an unattractive place not to mention around the desert! :sleepy: Other forumers said it well, dubai's city planning is gotta be one of the worst in the world as far as the top skylines go. Just look at that one huge block of Dubai marina which claim to be the world's tallest block in the future is just another way of insecurity. That block size is so huge and long which I think chicago loop's whole block size can be out done as well to make Dubai another big underdog. But chicago is all about city planning, great architecture and accessibility. Need I say more, why not make that dubai marina as long as one mile and we start compare them with many of other extreme tall skylines like Chicago, NYC, Toronto, HK and Shanghai...ect. Trust me, Dubai isn't the tallest block right now and will not be in the future. Keep on building that dream dubaiers or should I say tourists. I have nothing against its history and its modern stylish skyscrapers, they are just another great define of current architecture trend, BTW, Chicago also starting the trend as well with its couple of superstalls on the way. :)

It would be interesting to know how much ChicagoSkyline and ChgoLvr83 know about architecture and city planning.

The skyscrapers in Dubai are better for the people who walking around them. Many of them have something in the first 2 floors, like a restaurant or a Gym. So around the skyscraper is much life. There is more life than around the skyscrapers in Frankfurt.

Dubai is a very modern city. So Dubai has not some problems that other old citys have, like the railtracks to the trainstation in the city center. This seperates the people and use much space. In my country they thinking about bringing the railtracks under the ground. But this costs billions.

I don`t think any of the Dubai critics thought about this.
And there is much more. A discussion would be very nice.

I would advise anyone to visit Dubai once in their lifetime. I'm from Chicago and have visited Dubai --- it's all that it's cracked up to be .... AND MORE!

It would be interesting to know how much ChicagoSkyline and ChgoLvr83 know about architecture and city planning.

The skyscrapers in Dubai are better for the people who walking around them. Many of them have something in the first 2 floors, like a restaurant or a Gym. So around the skyscraper is much life. There is more life than around the skyscrapers in Frankfurt.

Dubai is a very modern city. So Dubai has not some problems that other old citys have, like the railtracks to the trainstation in the city center. This seperates the people and use much space. In my country they thinking about bringing the railtracks under the ground. But this costs billions.

I don`t think any of the Dubai critics thought about this.
And there is much more. A discussion would be very nice.

Why not tell us how much you know about architecture and city planning first?

"The skyscrapers in Dubai are better for the people who walking around them. ", yea, so is chicago, nyc, hk, and tons of other cities, what is your point? You obviously never been to other great cities like chicago and nyc, both cities' skyscrapers and supertalls also have something like restaurants, shops, stores, cafes, gyms...on their lower level. Dubai isn't the one and the first to invent this accessibility. Why all of sudden use Frankfurt as your target of victim? :bash:
There is no question that Dubai is a modern city because majority of its skyscrapers all are done in recent years. Do people even notice Dubai before them being built? What is it like for Dubai in da 70s, does it even have one single skyscraper standing? Sure it doesn't have problems like other more well defined cities and history rich cities but wouldn't it eventually will have one way or another? You are just completely biased as it is and so are your vision of this desert oasis! Railroad network and transportations were some of the great technologies that define, built and nourish what are some of the great world cities today. I don't see the problems of it being transit in the city center, it helps all work forces from the near region and close to the city with less time and effort. Dubai can't use much space cause it will cost too much to transform desert into liveable place and that is why you people jealous at the cities that have what you don't have. So please, open your eyes and brains, Dubai is just a late broomer and will be a empty shell in the future. Someone claimed from da chicago suggest for the visit, only if I get da free tickets, or should I say, why not check out Las Vegas, it is much closer for me and too in da desert. :)

Why not tell us how much you know about architecture and city planning first?

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I have
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Why all of sudden use Frankfurt as your target of victim? :bash:

Because i live near this city. I don`t have problems telling other people that my city isn`t the best in the world.

Now i have to go to work, so i write only this short.
Maybe you can write something to post 325.

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I have
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Because i live near this city. I don`t have problems telling other people that my city isn`t the best in the world.

Now i have to go to work, so i write only this short.
Maybe you can write something to post 325.


LOL, just finished what you called you have done it on post 325!
You are only rating your favorite skyscrapers in Dubai, tell me that they aren't your opinion? Geez, what are they even have anything to do with the city planning? Altho, those pics of dubai skyscrapers are nice, but I still left clueless at what you know about architecture and city planning!

You obviously never been to many other world cities around the globe and you used Frankfurt which you live nearby as an example to show how special Dubai skyscrapers are. That doesn't tell much, you should get out more! :) Maybe drop your architecture and city planning course in your town and vist the true living examples like Chicago, NYC, Toronto, HK, Shanghai and many others. I strongly advice you do. :runaway:

LOL, just finished what you called you have done it on post 325!
You are only rating your favorite skyscrapers in Dubai, tell me that they aren't your opinion? Geez, what are they even have anything to do with the city planning? Altho, those pics of dubai skyscrapers are nice, but I still left clueless at what you know about architecture and city planning!

You obviously never been to many other world cities around the globe and you used Frankfurt which you live nearby as an example to show how special Dubai skyscrapers are. That doesn't tell much, you should get out more! :) Maybe drop your architecture and city planning course in your town and vist the true living examples like Chicago, NYC, Toronto, HK, Shanghai and many others. I strongly advice you do. :runaway:

I am not rating my favorite buildings of Dubai. I am rating the architecture from this skyscraper.
You love the Sears Tower, don`t you? I think you love the world trade center, too. Am i right? Because of it`s design? Yes? But you don`t love the design of this skyscraper. You love what they standing for. But if you talk about architecture you must say that this building is ugly, not very interesting. After the towers have been build the entire architecture scene ignored the skyscrapers. Okay they have been very tall, but not interesting. I agree with them.
I don`t really know how i should proove you that i can see what`s an ugly and what`s an beautiful skyscraper is.
But it would be intersting to know how you want to proove me that you have knowledge about the stuff you talking about.

Not to many ? Have you really read what i have written ?
[QUOTE=Tom_Green]
I was in Dubai, Shenzhen, Hong Kong, Paris, Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka, Macao, Kyoto, Frankfurt, Nara, Kobe.
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I don`t know how much you travel but i think this amount of cities is okay for somebody who is 22 years old.

I think that Dubai has a perfect city planning. The skyscraper are focused to special areas ( SZR, Dubai Marina, The Creek). Not like in Shanghai where they build everywhere a little bit.
If you want a Arabic feeling you can go around the gold souk. They building no skyscrapers and no large structures there.
Dubai is like Sim City. You know the mistakes of the other cities so you think about them in your planning. You can build a perfect city.

Thanks for those old city streetscapes you are to blame...now that's a much more interesting area....what it lacks in style, it more than makes up in character...not to mention good scale and streetscapes. Too bad the new stuff lacks all of those attributes.






KGB

Stop saying Dubai is perfect )Tom Green). No city is perfect. Not in any aspect.

And this must have been missed earlier.....when the Sears, Aon, etc. were built, that was the style. Sure they look outdated now, but there's still beauty in them. But the Dubai forumers are too ignorant to give them respect. In 30 years Dubai's towers will look outdated. Why? Because there will be a new style of skyscrapers. Who knows what they will look like. But then Dubai will look trapped in the past, like you claim NYC and Chicago to be. EVen NY's art-deco skyscrapers were considered futuristic at the time. Are they now? Of course not.

I like NY and Chicago better because they are very pedestrian friendly. My aunt walks to work just 3 blocks in midtown Manhattan. How convenient is that? My aunt used to take the subway from Bay Ridge to the Barclay-Vessey building in the 70s/80s. Dubai's towers may have restaurants and shops on the first 2 floors but you still have to drive to the towers. At least in NYC and Chicago you can walk or take mass transit. I once walked from the Museum of Natural History on West 72nd to East 49th, thru Central Park. What a beautiful experience. Is it possible in Dubai to do something like that?

What do tourists even do in Dubai? Go to the beach? Go to a silly waterpark next to Burj al Arab? You can do those things anywhere. I can't speak for Chicago but i can name at least 100 unique attractions in NYC that no other city can claim.

I'll say this again too.....Barely anyone has ever heard of Dubai. Paris? London? Chicago? Moscow? Hong Kong? Oh sure, they are famous. But not Dubai. I think every single person in the world has, at 1 point, heard of NY.

Stop saying Dubai is perfect )Tom Green). No city is perfect. Not in any aspect.

And this must have been missed earlier.....when the Sears, Aon, etc. were built, that was the style. Sure they look outdated now, but there's still beauty in them. But the Dubai forumers are too ignorant to give them respect. In 30 years Dubai's towers will look outdated. Why? Because there will be a new style of skyscrapers. Who knows what they will look like. But then Dubai will look trapped in the past, like you claim NYC and Chicago to be. EVen NY's art-deco skyscrapers were considered futuristic at the time. Are they now? Of course not.

I like NY and Chicago better because they are very pedestrian friendly. My aunt walks to work just 3 blocks in midtown Manhattan. How convenient is that? My aunt used to take the subway from Bay Ridge to the Barclay-Vessey building in the 70s/80s. Dubai's towers may have restaurants and shops on the first 2 floors but you still have to drive to the towers. At least in NYC and Chicago you can walk or take mass transit. I once walked from the Museum of Natural History on West 72nd to East 49th, thru Central Park. What a beautiful experience. Is it possible in Dubai to do something like that?

What do tourists even do in Dubai? Go to the beach? Go to a silly waterpark next to Burj al Arab? You can do those things anywhere. I can't speak for Chicago but i can name at least 100 unique attractions in NYC that no other city can claim.

I'll say this again too.....Barely anyone has ever heard of Dubai. Paris? London? Chicago? Moscow? Hong Kong? Oh sure, they are famous. But not Dubai. I think every single person in the world has, at 1 point, heard of NY.

^^^^^^
Thank you, sfenn1117! :)
You said it at best, no city is perfect, not in any aspect!
Even if a city is considering perfect, will it be in next few years or decades? I am not sure what Tom Green's sim city metaphorical thinking is,but he obviously never been to the cities where the architecture and city planning were born and cherish by almost every famous architects in the world, which both of them happen to be in North America! So stop playing too much video games and really get out more! Chicago and NYC are both cities that has elevated architecture/skyscraper styles and heights from every decades since the early 20s. Back then, skyscrapers were considered more of capacity and usefulness rather then stylish and ambition. These two cities will never be feeling tired when visitors looking at its architectures, skyscrapers, supertalls and WTBs. Since they offer more then ONE style of architecture trend and they design their city so that people in the city can move more freely and efficient in terms of their transportation and city planning. Also remember that these two cities built skyscrapers according to the demands and supports, so during the 70s, the boxy and bulky style of architecture trends were the most demanding and efficient approach in the world.

Hey Tom Green, can you obviously tell me that tons of ambition Dubai's future projects like that tallest block wanna be dubai marina is pushing by the great demand or it is just another showplace to attract attention out of its master plan. From what I am seeing right now, Dubai is just another desert city with potential no more and no less that has many visions and dream, but if it doesn't manage accordingly, we will see a definite empty shell out of all these fuss. Trust me, Chicago skyline and NYC skyline weren't build yesterday, they have been study, envy, and model for decades by many cities around the world. If I were consider some of the perfect city in respect to the architecture, skyscrapers and city planning, these two cities are as close to it as you can get out of the world!
So I encourage you to travel abroad to see da great North American cities like Chicago, NYC and Toronto.

BTW, if you want to know what some of 1996 chicagoland looked like from its arieal, I suggest that you click on my first signature link below and you will see that chicago is more then a skyscraper city!
Image one day, chicago metro, chicagoland, suburbs populations decide to move back into the city again due to some major demand and advantage, what kind of tallest block will it has, just some thought, at least I am seeing this trend starting again after the year 2k with tons of supertalls and high rise buildings in the chicago loop and metro!:runaway:

people do not get it at all once again.
go to DUBAI Q&A , and to the Dubai Information thread, spend a few hours in UAE section and then come back.
it is just a stupid thread in the moment...

" when visitors looking at its architectures, skyscrapers, supertalls and WTBs"

hahaha , WTBs :D keep on dreaming dude.

" when visitors looking at its architectures, skyscrapers, supertalls and WTBs"

hahaha , WTBs :D keep on dreaming dude.

^^^^
World's 10 tallest buildings (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1241105)

diagram of skyscrapers which have been the tallest, since 1890 (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?2337084)

^^^^^
Again, don't avoid the issue, here are links again for da facts! :)

For some one who uses "thus far" should know its "Does dubai have" and not has :D

and yes it does , the burj Dubai for one.

Dummy

Stop saying Dubai is perfect )Tom Green). No city is perfect. Not in any aspect.

And this must have been missed earlier.....when the Sears, Aon, etc. were built, that was the style. Sure they look outdated now, but there's still beauty in them. But the Dubai forumers are too ignorant to give them respect. In 30 years Dubai's towers will look outdated. Why? Because there will be a new style of skyscrapers. Who knows what they will look like. But then Dubai will look trapped in the past, like you claim NYC and Chicago to be. EVen NY's art-deco skyscrapers were considered futuristic at the time. Are they now? Of course not.

I like NY and Chicago better because they are very pedestrian friendly. My aunt walks to work just 3 blocks in midtown Manhattan. How convenient is that? My aunt used to take the subway from Bay Ridge to the Barclay-Vessey building in the 70s/80s. Dubai's towers may have restaurants and shops on the first 2 floors but you still have to drive to the towers. At least in NYC and Chicago you can walk or take mass transit. I once walked from the Museum of Natural History on West 72nd to East 49th, thru Central Park. What a beautiful experience. Is it possible in Dubai to do something like that?

What do tourists even do in Dubai? Go to the beach? Go to a silly waterpark next to Burj al Arab? You can do those things anywhere. I can't speak for Chicago but i can name at least 100 unique attractions in NYC that no other city can claim.

I'll say this again too.....Barely anyone has ever heard of Dubai. Paris? London? Chicago? Moscow? Hong Kong? Oh sure, they are famous. But not Dubai. I think every single person in the world has, at 1 point, heard of NY.

The city planning is perfect. Not the city itself.

Look at Business Bay:
http://www.ayuplanet.com/smussuw/Image(101).jpg
Right now there is nothing, nothing that stands in the way of the planners. So they build it like they want. And from this pic i can`t see anything wrong. It`s perfect. If you say that it is not perfect than tell what you don`t like in the render.

Ohh please. ESB is over 60 years old and it is not outdated. New York build one very nice skyscraper in the 70`s. It`s the Citigroup Center. It`s a very beautiful skyscraper from 1977. The WTC and the Sears Tower are really ugly compared to this building. You care more about the height than about the design.

NY and Chicago can really be more pedestrian friendly, because the traffic is really really bad in Dubai. I had a mp3 player with me but i never used it because it would be life dangerous crossing a street without the sounds of the cars. But Dubai changing very fast.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=240328
But in one way Dubai is more pedestrian friendly. You can walk in Dubai whereever and whenever you want. Dubai is such a safe city. I could spent my night in a park without any fear to be robbed.

This thread explain everything you want to know as a tourist in Dubai.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=210258&page=1

I was only for 3 days in Dubai, later i visited the 15mio people city Osaka and the culture center of Japan (Nara and Kyoto). But my family and all of my friends asked about Dubai. Have you visited Burj al Arab, how is the city, are they really so rich, ...... .No one really cared about the other cities, i have seen.

Here are 2 new, very beautiful skyscraper. I can imagine this two towers in every big city in the world.

Pic by Dubai Lover
http://tinypic.com/adyxko.jpg

^^^^
World's 10 tallest buildings (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1241105)

diagram of skyscrapers which have been the tallest, since 1890 (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?2337084)

LOL, who is the real dreamer! Does Dubai has any WTB at all thus far? Man, you dubai people are pretty unrealistic and still in your state of fantasy. Time to stick your head out of that pathetic desert shell! :)

This thread is about the future, not about what's there now. Nobody's saying Dubai had a world's tallest but now Burj Dubai's being built. It's not built yet but it will be in the FUTURE. About the architecture, everyone has their own preferences. Calling Burj Dubai a tacky piece of shit is similar to calling the old WTC two ugly gigantic boxes. I personally love the Sears tower and many other American buildings but also love lots of the buildings in Dubai too.

Aswell you can't say nobody's heard of Dubai. It might be the case in the US but it's not like that everywhere. Here in Ireland most people I mentioned Dubai to knew about the place and had maybe heard of the Burj al Arab or the Palm Island.

For some one who uses "thus far" should know its "Does
:weirdo: dubai have" and not has :D

and yes it does , the burj Dubai for one.

Dummy

Sorry for some spelling errors, I obviously didn't mean to do so! By the way burj dubai will be very nice! :) Lets all looking forward for dubai and chicago in da near future as both cities starting to reveal their huge projects! :cheers:

^^^^
World's 10 tallest buildings (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1241105)

diagram of skyscrapers which have been the tallest, since 1890 (http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?2337084)


Be honest, Do you see dubai up there at all now or since 1920s? Just wondering! :)

The city planning is perfect. Not the city itself.

Look at Business Bay:
http://www.ayuplanet.com/smussuw/Image(101).jpg
Right now there is nothing, nothing that stands in the way of the planners. So they build it like they want. And from this pic i can`t see anything wrong. It`s perfect. If you say that it is not perfect than tell what you don`t like in the render.

Ohh please. ESB is over 60 years old and it is not outdated. New York build one very nice skyscraper in the 70`s. It`s the Citigroup Center. It`s a very beautiful skyscraper from 1977. The WTC and the Sears Tower are really ugly compared to this building. You care more about the height than about the design.

NY and Chicago can really be more pedestrian friendly, because the traffic is really really bad in Dubai. I had a mp3 player with me but i never used it because it would be life dangerous crossing a street without the sounds of the cars. But Dubai changing very fast.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=240328
But in one way Dubai is more pedestrian friendly. You can walk in Dubai whereever and whenever you want. Dubai is such a safe city. I could spent my night in a park without any fear to be robbed.

This thread explain everything you want to know as a tourist in Dubai.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=210258&page=1

I was only for 3 days in Dubai, later i visited the 15mio people city Osaka and the culture center of Japan (Nara and Kyoto). But my family and all of my friends asked about Dubai. Have you visited Burj al Arab, how is the city, are they really so rich, ...... .No one really cared about the other cities, i have seen.
:eek2:
Nice render for dubai! :) Lets all wait and see what would chicago bring out in next few years... :) Can't wait!

Be honest, Do you see dubai up there at all now or since 1920s? Just wondering! :)

I honestly dont care how long its taken some cities to make something out of themselves ... be recognised around the world and such

Dubai is doing all that in a shorter period of time , a MUCH shorter period of time and time will tell how this city will suprass chicago easily by shear quantity and quality too :D you just wait and see

Well i'm glad Chicago Skyline edited his comments from being negative to positive/civil. It shows a lot of maturity especially into what has turned into somewhat of a city vrs city debate. Dubai_Boy, that sure is a bold statement. If that was ever to happen it would take many many years. Chicago is an incredible city. Not knocking Dubai but it's still a baby/toddler, where as Chicago is in it's prime. In regards to this thread. It depends on the dimensions of the block. A number of cities could claim to have the world's tallest block now or in the future. Unless specific dimensions are given, this thread will continue to be very vague.

Between Chicago and HK, Dubai may join in the ranks of tallest block on the planet. Not to forget, shanghai could be outdone all the three cities in the future too.

Thought we should update this :naughty:


Number one dubai marina 54F 210m U/C

http://www.gulfconstructionworldwide.com/source/XXV/07/images/A-AL-ROSTA.jpg

Ocean Heights 82F 310m U/C

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Ocean_Heights.jpg

Marina Crown 52F 207m U/C

http://www.simplydubaiproperty.com/images/marina_crown/marinacrown.jpg

Najd Tower 75F 300m+

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Najad_Tower.jpg

Le Reve 45F 200m U/C

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid119/p989da4c17101946ccd856e2cf1f0a52f/f86f1bb2.jpg

Princess Tower 107F 400m+ U/C

http://www.dubai-city.de/immobilien_realestate/princess_tower.jpg

Emirates crown 60F 220m U/C

http://www.unityestates.com/Propertyimages/Dubai/EmiratesCrown/front.jpg

Al Marsa Tower 59F 254m U/C

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/503/11020Al_Marsa_Tower.jpg

Marina Heights 53F 208m U/C

http://www.marinaheightstower.com/images/2_354x500.jpg

Marina Pinnacle 66F 260m U/C
http://ayuplanet.com/trances/Dubai%20Marina%20Area/Area%20392,%20DUBAI%20MARINA/206%20392%20Unknown/Poster.jpg

Mag 218 66F 275m U/C

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/1/12861-mag-tower.jpg

Al Seef tower 44F 215m Completed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/Picture042.jpg

The Torch 84F 345m U/C

http://www.stottgroup.co.uk/media/images/torch.jpg

Infinity Tower 80F 330m U/C

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v705/altind/P1000774.jpg

Unnamed DAMAC TOWER (TBA) 85F 400m+

http://i1.tinypic.com/ojdt1k.jpg

23Marina 90F 395m U/C

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/8743/23marina5qm.jpg



http://i2.tinypic.com/r1fxg6.jpg


A1 - Al Marsa Tower
A2 - Emirates Crown
A3 - Princess Tower
A4 - Le Reve
A5 - Al Najd Tower
A6 - The Marina Crown Tower
A7 - Ocean Heights Tower
A8 - No. 1 Dubai Marina
A9 - Infinity Tower
A10-Damac Tower
B1 - The Torch
B2 - Marina Pinacle
B3 - ???
B4 - ???
B5 - ???
B6 - Al Seef Tower
C1 - Marina Heights Tower
C2 - Mag 218 Tower
C3 - ???
C4 - ???
C5 - 23 Marina Tower

mhm in fact we could now split it into two tallest blocks, or maybe also a tallest row.. ;)


on the right

http://www1.file-upload.net/02.03.06/dwz1cv.jpg



How it is going to look like:

http://i2.tinypic.com/orpchy.jpg


Recent shot:

http://i2.tinypic.com/r1gztc.jpg

The city planning is perfect. Not the city itself.

Look at Business Bay:
http://www.ayuplanet.com/smussuw/Image(101).jpg
Right now there is nothing, nothing that stands in the way of the planners. So they build it like they want. And from this pic i can`t see anything wrong. It`s perfect. If you say that it is not perfect than tell what you don`t like in the render.

Well, I haven't read the whole thread, but it seems to be all about Dubai.

I don't think that I have any credentials as a Dubai-basher and I have defended this city from nasty accusations (sometimes deriving out of jealousy) in the past, particularly in the old vs. threads. However, I have to disagree with you on the planning comment.

Dubai deserves respect for its growth, its dynamism, its beautiful coast, its vibrant old town, and I actually like many of the skyscrapers being built there. Having said that, it does not give me the impression of being a well planned city.

What you refer to as city planning in the pic of the model above, is actually the master-plan of a project: a big project, for sure, but still a project and not a city !

One sees the real city planning by looking at how the different masterplans integrate with each other. In that respect Dubai gives me the impression of being a collection of masterplans (an amazing collection too !!) with wide roads/boulevards/or highways between them rather than a fully integrated city. I get the feeling that people will just drive to one of the projects, get out of the car and walk around, and then get in the car and go home or go to another project. I don't imagine many people walking between two masterplanned projects, maybe taking mass-transit at best.

I would love to go to Dubai, especially after many of the projects u/c and planned are finished and see it for myself. Therefore, I base my opinon only on the many maps, renderings, and photos I have seen of the city. In that respect, my opinion is really more of an impression than a fully developed judgement.

Wow dubai is getting quite a nice skyline i like how there arent many commie block type buildings i still dont get how such big towers are gonna be filled but still a nice city.