got around to scan a architecure book from 1990. It has some great 80's never built skyscrapers.some of you might know them, or not.

Lambton Quays,Wellington
In 1990 this would of been NZ tallest skyscraper at 31st /137m (spire) It also had a roof top observation at 120m.not sure ever become of the project?
(ive just added it to ss.com)

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/9607/lambtonquay1ie.jpg

SYDNEY

Skytower-102storeys/421m Donald Crone architects
man this one would of been amazing!!! checkout how small it makes Hilton look. It was 381m to roof. i remember it being same height as ESB.

http://img236.exs.cx/img236/4074/skytower2ez.jpg

190 Harrington st,23storey/90m office
this one was approved and never executed. A recent DA calls for a 40storey resi tower to start this year.

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/6669/190harringtonst1yo.jpg

Angel Place Tower-60storeys/244m. office
This tower designed by Dino Burratini ,was the tallest bldg ever approved in Sydney.Excavations commenced in 1990 and then the wall st crash happened and that was over. devlopers ran scared.2 years later the DA lapsed and then new heights came in at 235m height limit, but also Martin place had shadow guidlines and limited tower to 150m. damn!!

george st elevation
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/3954/angelplace8kc.jpg

Governor phillip tower place getters 3rd-

checkout this one> a 200m tower with restored CAGA house.

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/60/gpt3rdprop4qe.jpg

runner up to current design
200m looks a bit like RCA in NYC

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/7135/gptproposal8ap.jpg


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Brisbane Tower
500m- never built. you can see AMP in background, not sure of location?does anyone have anymore info on this one?

http://img218.exs.cx/img218/1329/brisbanetower4ef.jpg

melbourne

Casseldon Place (with spire) ,yes this did get built but not with 40m spire. It would of taken eight to 208m.looks ok.
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/9034/casseldonspire4cy.jpg

PERTH
222m/52st office tower for site of Westralia Square behind Perth tech college, facing Mounts Bay Road..
architects-Hassell group

http://img236.exs.cx/img236/8471/perthtecproposal3qu.jpg

Very nice! Pity about Skytower, that was a stunner. 190 Harrington st looks really classy too, another pity.

Stu

how sexy is the perth tower!

Of course..........It's from Perth!!!

stop joking around wezza, it is sexy how sexy! almost as sexy as me lol :rofl:

so of those sydney ones wow

the brisbane one is fugly.

crying shame about the sydney ones.

Sydney's skytower would have been nice, Westralia Sq too.

^nah its NOT Westralia Square. It was after the 3 tower scheme.
heres the big fella! 287m to spire!!!

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/3655/westraliasq3aa.jpg

*cries*

Why do you always bring back the pain of Angel Place Cul?!?! :D And that Skytower would have been crazy... just amazing. I think those days are forever gone from Sydney, the days when there was a real pioneering spirit about tall buildings. Now the nimby-ists and the much maligned height restrictions rule the CBD.

Wait, I want to MARRY that skytower proposal. Someone tell me that it's legal.

Brisbane Tower could have been interesting if Brisbane Central was also built. Oh yes!

Wait, I want to MARRY that skytower proposal. Someone tell me that it's legal.
Dunno if it's legal. Kind of a kinky fetish maybe ;)

Yes, and Sydney got Citigroup instead of Skytower. All 102-levels of that glass and bracing, just gone...:no:

They're would of been excellent scrapers in the cities they were planned for even if they were a bit over the top. Knowing that most these were never built or had their designs altered, It makes me cry. :cry:

Skytower would have to rate as the best proposal for the Park Plaza site. The black glass and external bracing makes it look stunning. They should of kept this as the heights of the tower were scaled down. Was this one of Bond Corp's proposals for their Sydney HQ?

& Angel Place, another sad sight. I wonder why they didn't stick it out, even if it mean't postponing it for a few years to let the market settle down. There were even disputes over what was allowed as part of the development. I read last year that AMP had problems with the council over the number of parking spots permitted as part of the D/A. They wanted more but the council said NO.


Wait, I want to MARRY that skytower proposal. Someone tell me that it's legal.

I think the Land & Environment Court will give the nod. :)

:speech: never know we will get so big one day they will have to build bigger then sydney tower .....THEY WILL HAVE TO :poke:

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/3655/westraliasq3aa.jpg

SEXIEST TOWER EVER!

^ that tower is actually ugly as hell lmao
The other renders make it look worse

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/566/28perth-westraliatower.jpg

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/563/28brisbane_future.jpg

yer but malt it wulda have had white concrete wulda had glass instead!

http://img237.exs.cx/img237/3160/skytower3in.jpg

where would westralia sq compare in there cull?

wow i so wish they did go ahead with westralia.. its cool not only the tall cool building but its set out, with 2 equal buildings on the sides of the major 1 ..

I never new about this, wait for it to sink in, just imagin perth with these two, my whole life ive been like we need another few tall buildings one in between BW and CP and one Over towards QV1 and it turns out there was plans. I May have to build one.
My eyes are wet.

Damn you, vacancy rates got to high.

^ that tower is actually ugly as hell lmao
The other renders make it look worse

It would have and has dated really quickly, and being so dominate would have made it even worse. It reminds me of a Goldcoast tacky resi tower for some reason :P

The planned replacement tower was alot nicer though. Shame it never happened..

have they built anything at westralia suare yet

DCM's Guvnah Phil is by far and away the best (Despite what Av may think :D)

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The 88 level Victoria Central that is now Melbourne (Melbourne Central's foundations can take Victoria Central's height!) Central. Care not for this one!

http://thehoddlegrid.net/dump/viccentralflyer1.jpg

275m Church Place on the AMP Square site, meh, would have been better on Grand Central site (other side of Bourke Street).

http://thehoddlegrid.net/dump/amp.jpg

A REALLY cool Pomo on Old ASX, was too high & overshadowed river:

http://thehoddlegrid.net/dump/oldasx1.jpg

have they built anything at westralia suare yet

i thought you live in perth lol!? .. btw no there is just a huge conrete hole in it's place ..

Hey Cul, do you have a pic of the replacement Angel Place?

I hate looking at pictures of building that don't exsist :(

http://thehoddlegrid.net/dump/amp.jpg

that tower looks awesome

Yeah, was a box, but twas a pretty box. Pity it never went ahead, but we still have plenty of room for similar proposals...

Stu

where would westralia sq compare in there cull?
HERE YOU GO.just a quick diagram. The roof of Westralia sq was 235m and base of spire was 257m. spire took it to 287m or RL299m.

http://img90.exs.cx/img90/328/skytower9kj.jpg

Brisbane Central beats them all

Apart from Grollo

Sydney;s tallest ever proposed skyscraper was the 445m CBD 1 at the rocks. that was equal in height with brisbane central.
it was 95 storeys with mainroof at 400m.

check it out>>

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/1821/cbd17yg.jpg

^But the best thing about CBD-1 was that it was a modular design and extra floors could be added to take its height to 150 storeys.

Hey Cul, do you have a pic of the replacement Angel Place?
here ya go all 151m of it. If only it was 93m taller.

http://www.leightoncontractors.com.au/images/category/Angel-Pl-finished-day-Kings.jpg

thanks for the diagram cull!

Angel is so stumpy. Stupid bastards.

angel looks really blue in that picture hey that tallest never build on ss.com in parramatta was really cool

Grand Central for Paramatta
128m (spire?)
http://img224.exs.cx/img224/882/parasmaller5gj.jpg

thanks malt i was too lazy to post it ;)

looks like chifley

crazzy.

People who build office buildings are always over optimistic

Whilst not as impressive as the ones from other cities, here are some never builts from Adelaide:

Originally proposed for the site that is now occupied by Liberty Towers in Glenelg:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/pcebaf1c1115432b48451dfabf2619ef4/fcf881a0.jpg

Urban Constructs original Liberty Towers proposal:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p0a2256e0094d2623f0e01c2f4df70a79/fcf87e71.jpg

Back in the mid 90's there was a proposal to turn the Central Market into a modern shopping mall:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/pd213e451a43bce032ae23e6aa04e4558/fcf87ae2.jpg


And the recent proposal to build Australia's thinnest skyscraper. I'm 99% sure this project has died:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pc3ab1c7612b8f66218c7ae6498b70280/fae5ff7a.jpg

^nah its NOT Westralia Square. It was after the 3 tower scheme.
heres the big fella! 287m to spire!!!

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/3655/westraliasq3aa.jpg

Perhaps this could be posted to the thread about the new proposal for the site?

Any chance of getting a scan of the entire pamphlet that was produceed about the project? It would be interesting to see how the new proposal compares - especially with regards to the shopping mall componant.

Westralia Square is Perth's World Square when you think of it....

here ya go all 151m of it. If only it was 93m taller.

http://www.leightoncontractors.com.au/images/category/Angel-Pl-finished-day-Kings.jpg


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Oh, the humanity!

crazzy.

People who build office buildings are always over optimistic

LOL. Australia's optimism is nothing compared to Dubai. :sleepy:

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/3655/westraliasq3aa.jpg

Not bad. Better than Perth's Central Park skyscraper anyway. That building still looks unfinished a decade after it was built.

*cries*

Why do you always bring back the pain of Angel Place Cul?!?! :D And that Skytower would have been crazy... just amazing. I think those days are forever gone from Sydney, the days when there was a real pioneering spirit about tall buildings. Now the nimby-ists and the much maligned height restrictions rule the CBD.

Wait, I want to MARRY that skytower proposal. Someone tell me that it's legal.

Too late, I am already happily married and that would be bigamy. :colgate:
I absoluted love angel pplace also reminds me of a go'auld skyscraper. The hottest thing sydney would have gotten... so many hot towers relegated to the trash can... it just aint fair.

Oh man why didn't this one go ahead - up until last week I actually worked in AMP tower - this would've been way better!
http://thehoddlegrid.net/dump/amp.jpg

^They should build it across the road @ Grand Central.

Wow, i like the look og that AMP tower!! Pity it was never built.

I must've missed this thread. Could you please reupload the pictures, Culwulla? :)

I get no pictures on the first page and some pics on other pages.

That's because this thread is over 2 years old.

if you want those pix, you start a new one and research for hours like i did. hahah
soemtimes its ok to let old threads die a slow death ....

Right-o thanks.

I have no problems with people bumping threads up as long as they are legitmate posts etc.

Also I might as well post these from the NSW forum. some old stuff by Harry Seidler

Early proposal for Australia Square from the Early 1960's

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049069-1.jpg

and accompanying article from the Daily Telegraph

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049070-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049071-1.jpg

I think this was another concept for Australia Square

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049077-1.jpg

His radical plan to redevelop Luna Park from the same period

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049074-1.jpg

And McMahons Point

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049075-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049076-1.jpg

I'm glad MLC didnt turn out this way

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049073-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v28/Fabian/Old%20Stuff/P8049072-1.jpg

Where would we be without you Fabian? :)

Grand Central for Paramatta
128m (spire?)
http://img224.exs.cx/img224/882/parasmaller5gj.jpg

i like this for some reason... tha curved roof seems odd though...

if you want those pix, you start a new one and research for hours like i did. hahah
soemtimes its ok to let old threads die a slow death ....

i was in the process of making a new thread about a week ago, just as i was finishing the last state my computer crashed. I'm contacting the ACCC about apple's TV ad's.

Melbourne's never built

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/BatesSmart150.jpg
The Bates Smart proposal for a supertall in The Docklands.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/GrolloTower1.jpg
The Harry Seidler designed Grollo Tower proposal.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/GrolloTower2.jpg
The better DCM designed Grollo Tower proposal.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/ArtsSpire1.jpg
The original Roy Grounds solid copper spire design for the Arts Centre was never built because wind tests showed that it would make a trumpeting sound inside the theatres that were to be housed within it.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/BreweryProposal1.jpg
The ARM Pacific Central International Campus Proposal, north-west corner of Victoria and Swanston Streets.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/ComoProject1.jpg
Model of the 'New South Yarra' project, later known as The 'Como Project', South Yarra.
Architects: Godfrey and Spowers.
A Mixed use development that included a canal connecting to the Yarra River. Only stage one, the southern quarter fronting Toorak Road was completed. Most of the remaining land was purchased by Mirvac and developed using a different design without the canal.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/DJacksonMuseum.jpg
The Daryl Jackson designed Melbourne Museum proposal by the Yarra.
The beginnings of this building were incorporated into The Melbourne Exhibition Centre.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/RMITproposal.jpg
The Perrott Lyon Mathieson RMIT tube proposal, that would have housed basketball courts, a gym and health centre, sports medicine clinics and cafes.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/YarrasEdgeProposal.jpg
The early Yarra’s edge concept, then known as Yarra Waters.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/RailRoofProposal.jpg
An early proposal for the Fed Square site that included demolition of Flinders Street station.

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/SouthgateProposal.jpg
The early Southgate proposal that included retaining some of the old factories.



:drool::drool::drool::drool:

^^That Southgate proposal is really good. I wish they had have built that instead.

That top proposal is bloody awful. Junkyard wars anyone?

My sarcasm dectector is off the charts!

The top one looks like the sexual fantasy of Qantas743. It's so aspirational. It's a Melbourne where Tullamarine is a Dubai Airport, Avalon is O'Hare and Moorabbin is all London Airports rolled into one. :| what joy it would bring him....

The 'New South Yarra' concept is typical of Meriton projects in Sydney. Cheap $2 trash :(

http://www.thecollectormm.com/private/ComoProject1.jpg

I liked the early proposal for the Melbourne Museum. Ultra modern for its time.

Also the early proposal for Southgate gets praise. The existing complex is fairly much that of your typical shopping centre, and opens up to the Yarra.

Also the early proposal for Southgate gets praise. The existing complex is fairly much that of your typical shopping centre, and opens up to the Yarra.

Southgate is of a far higher standard to whats at Docklands, it fits in far better. I disagree that it is shopping centre-esque. I would argue its one of our nations most successful waterfront transformations.

Auckland

http://www.britomart.co.nz/images/history3_clip_image004.jpg :nuts:

Auckland

http://www.britomart.co.nz/images/history3_clip_image004.jpg :nuts:

Is that where Vero/Sun Alliance Plaza and that cool apartment building is?

Auckland

http://www.britomart.co.nz/images/history3_clip_image004.jpg :nuts:

Oh my God that is hot! That glass would have suited the Auckland skyline very well.

Guess you can add this.

500m Vision for Balfours Site (Adelaide)
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/images/100storey/render_north_01_350.jpg
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/images/100storey/render_west_01_350.jpg

200m Capital City (Adelaide) - approved 1999 but never built due to asian financial crisis
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/images/capcity/model.jpg

call me crazy, but i think that 500m vision would look awesome in Adelaide, and no-where else!
One huge stick in the air would make the city instantly recognizable and just wow the pants off everyone else...

12 million pounds to build 58 levels in the 60s..... woha.

Is that where Vero/Sun Alliance Plaza and that cool apartment building is?

Yea...they were the initial plans for the Britomart Heritage area...
But the design got cancelled because it didnt really restore the Heritage value of the area...and yea you are right-that is where the Vero Tower, and the Metropolis Apartments are (around Shortland and Customs Streets)...

And this was the design in the 80's!!
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q243/benneg/Auckland001.jpg

Oh wow, that building on the right is hot! I want it in Sydney!

... and the 80s was so hot for design.

When DCM's first Grollo Tower was announced it was to soar 680m.....I hope some day this plan is revived.....I may have mentioned this once ..or twice before? http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4295/grollotowerza2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you look at the Rialto near the base of the Grollo Tower in this pic you can see this is one super skyscraper...! Yet looking at the lowrise southbank opposite, imagine Eureka, Freshwater Place etc there....I know Grollo Towers scale was seen as excessive for Melbourne yet it was approved but was abandoned after argument with Authorities concerning who would pay for infrastructure..Collins St.extension etc into the Docklands...Later versions reduced the height to 540m...and included lowrise buildings around it's base...but I believe the first concept of it being more monumental.....a huge obolisk on the Collins St. axis would have made it a landmark known worldwide. Maybe Telstra could cut costs by just using these plans for its new project. http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3815/grollotower001mediuman3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

Hahaha... calling Sol Trujillo now...
I've never seen that first grollo tower pic before!

Guess you can add this.

500m Vision for Balfours Site (Adelaide)
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/images/100storey/render_north_01_350.jpg
http://www.sensational-adelaide.com/images/100storey/render_west_01_350.jpg
Looks sexy :banana:

Nice it was, but it just never had the chance of being approved.

The city council opened their development plan up for non-complying developments (e.g. those which exceeded the height limits in the cbd) based on merits. If there was a serious backer for a similar project, a proposal like this would have to go through a serious public consultation and could have a chance of being approved. Probably not a high chance, given our high nimby population but the winds of change is upon us in the old city of Adelaide.

But, if the state government really wanted to they could grant it Major Project status and sideline all critics, which they have done previously with Le Cornu's site and Conservatory on Hindmarsh. But we'll never know with the 500m vision as it was never presented to council.

It has a better chance in Adelaide that Sydney!

Grollo tower was stunning. Far to big though.

If you look at the Rialto near the base of the Grollo Tower in this pic you can see this is one super skyscraper...! Yet looking at the lowrise southbank opposite, imagine Eureka, Freshwater Place etc there....I know Grollo Towers scale was seen as excessive for Melbourne yet it was approved but was abandoned after argument with Authorities concerning who would pay for infrastructure..Collins St.extension etc into the Docklands...Later versions reduced the height to 540m...and included lowrise buildings around it's base...but I believe the first concept of it being more monumental.....a huge obolisk on the Collins St. axis would have made it a landmark known worldwide. Maybe Telstra could cut costs by just using these plans for its new project. http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3815/grollotower001mediuman3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

This one is just horribly out of scale. Given its Docklands location, it's further away from the Rialto so it'd be pushing 1km height in that picture.

Why aren't people crying over the Burj Dubai being too high and out of scale. It is way taller than anything around it.......? The buildings standing right now in lower Manhattan are around the height of the Rialto...eg. Chase Manhattan Bank....many more lower. The WTC was way higher....offset to the bulk of skyscapers yet became part of the skyline.New York just doesnt look right without them now?..so after a very tall tower is built it just becomes part of the skyline..even it is twice as high....as I mentioned in my post the pic shows the 680m version of Grollo Tower before the Eureka and other southbank projects were built.....I know this tower can't be built in this location but there must be somewhere it could go....CUB site would be fantastic...imagine looking up St. Kilda rd. from the shrine....wow!

When DCM's first Grollo Tower was announced it was to soar 680m.....I hope some day this plan is revived.....I may have mentioned this once ..or twice before? http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4295/grollotowerza2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

kool when was that proposed?

Back in the late 90's. I remember seeing renders on TV and even people placing deposits for apartments.

Was to be WTB...

Why aren't people crying over the Burj Dubai being too high and out of scale. It is way taller than anything around it.......? The buildings standing right now in lower Manhattan are around the height of the Rialto...eg. Chase Manhattan Bank....many more lower. The WTC was way higher....offset to the bulk of skyscapers yet became part of the skyline.New York just doesnt look right without them now?..so after a very tall tower is built it just becomes part of the skyline..even it is twice as high....as I mentioned in my post the pic shows the 680m version of Grollo Tower before the Eureka and other southbank projects were built.....I know this tower can't be built in this location but there must be somewhere it could go....CUB site would be fantastic...imagine looking up St. Kilda rd. from the shrine....wow!

Burj Dubai is too large for its surroundings, we all know it's essentially being built to boost the egos of a few billionaires. Dubai as a whole is probably an example of what not to do when it comes to urban planning.

The WTC worked because Manhattan is huge and there is still plenty of skyline around it - you could fit the CBD of every Australian city into Manhattan and still have heaps of space left. The Grollo Tower would have just stood at the edge of the skyline making the rest of it look small, remember it's some 150m taller than the WTC.

Not to mention it doesn't address the street very well, if at all, and has no podium or active frontages.

All the reasons you say this tower doesnt fit are the reasons it would be a landmark..its not just another office building....it was first designed to be a free standing monument at 680m ( remember this was still in the 1990's) type structure with open space around its base.....even the ground floor was only occupied by its corner columns and two lift shafts...the gap between was see through...no glazing for at least 12 stories from memory....The Office and Hotel lobbies were below ground level....Glass elevators were to climb the corners of the building to a multi level observation deck and restaurants below the glazed crown....a further open deck was to cap off the building. It was never meant to sit in a streetscape with a Starbucks or 7-11 facing the street....I realize it would dominate Melbourne and think if later height of just over 500m. would be OK.....even if it ended up between 400 - and 500 would be OK......I went to the launch of the project at Docklands and Bruno Grollo even said then it would not remain the worlds tallest building forever but for a moment in time shows how dynamic we can be! It was an awesome day...media etc.....dont expect such a day ever again..concidering whats happening in the Middle east and China....!

Well it was part of a fad of the late 1980s to late 1990's super-tall proposals that fell through world wide ..

Miglin-Beitler Tower, Chicago 1988 - 610m
Millennium Tower, Toyko 1988 - 840m
Tour Sans Fin, Paris 1989 - 420m
Green Bird, London 1996 - 442m
Bionic Tower, Shanghai 1996 - 1,228m
SOM 7 South Deardorn, Chicago 1998 - 610m

@redbaron: Having a massive skyscraper sitting alone in a pretty plaza is just a massive waste. It's great for people who live out in the sticks who might come out a few times a year to admire it, but it's just horrible for the people who live and work in and around the building. And that's what everything should be designed for - the users, not observers. I don't want a monument for the sake of being one, it has to serve some other useful purpose as well.

Keep that sort of crap planning in Dubai.

I imagined the whole lobby, shopping and service working areas just one level below the plaza...yes it would appear like a building standing in an open space but really a huge area speading out in all directions beneath links it to surrounding projects. I would hate all of Melbourne to use this principle....you need street life at ground level...but in this one case it would show diversity...I hate blanket regulations,Although I like some of the Batman Hill projects Melbournes western edge would have gained more open green to balance parklands to the east and south. Anyway I dont propose this for this site anymore....so if it was built on the Powerstation site eg....the ground level would be completely different. http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/112/chad006ry9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012)

where do you get all these GT pics?????
can u please send them to me?

Ezza....I have so much stuff..pics, cuttings, brochures, books, magazines of projects....collected since the 1960's.....some in bulging suitcases..bookcases...I just hope my family doesn't burn it all when I'm gone?..hope thats a way off yet???hee! .....I know we all pass comments on computer..SSC..thats what its all about..and you guys get together sometimes..like last friday night....As a Personal Trainer often those hours are when I have to work!!!! damn....but if a 'club' existed it would be easier to show all this type of stuff?...I don't know how I could possibly scan all my stuff on here!

Finally, I have found the original proposal for the UTS Towers. Imagine putting up with not just one tower, but three of them!!!!

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/gpo2/45/d2_45555.jpg

gorgeous ;-)

They look like Darleks...

Given that they were obviously going the cheapo route (no fancy architecture there!) and that those building were so close together - why not join them and maximise your floor space? It almost seems counter-productive to have separate buildings. Sure it would be ugly as hell, but aesthetics obviously didn't feature in their considerations.

Maybe they wouldn't get enough light into the building if it were just one big monstrosity.

It would've made more sense to join them all up too, as people might be going from one lecture to another surely...?

You assume aesthetics didn't come into concideration when they planned these buildings?...In fact, at the time the architects thought they were 'avant garde'....modern architecture....I remember many buildings from those days liked to use a heavy looking top or cornice....even modern small scale domestic dwellings went for a flat roof with a very deep hidden gutters as a feature. It was just the style at the time....

Aethetics were a big part of brutalism, using the concete as a feature with texture, tone and form to create a language of style. There are examples of brutalism everywhere and many large scale public buildings in Australia show it off quite well. UTS might be a heavy brutalist monster but back then, as stated it was considered 'avant garde' and fashionable at the time. I still think brutalism and modernism in residential design is amazing and so much better than some of what we are doing today.

I love this thread. Ahh all the woulda, shoulda couldas! It's driving me nuts.

Okay.. It's not a Skyscraper.. Proposed.. Melbourne Olympic Stadium!
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/duongLe_/melbourneolympic2.jpg
And..
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/duongLe_/melbourneolympic1.jpg
:lol:

Was this for the 1956 Olympics or as part of the bid for the 1996 games?

I think it was 1956 ;)

Okay.. It's not a Skyscraper.. Proposed.. Melbourne Olympic Stadium!
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/duongLe_/melbourneolympic2.jpg
And..
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/duongLe_/melbourneolympic1.jpg
:lol:

Looks more like a Colosseum than anything else. Good thing that they didn't build it.

Haven't read the whole thread, but here's a list of unbuilts that we had on our books:

- Central Place (350m, 85 stories, Brisbane).

- Central Place sII (450m, 107 stories, Brisbane).

- McArthur Centre (285m, 67 Stories, Brisbane) <- small thing built instead.

- World Square QANTAS Tower (179m, 42 Stories, Sydney)

- Bond Building (381m, 88 Stories, Sydney - Construction terminated)

The list is old, so I have no idea the real outcome of some of these.

Okay.. It's not a Skyscraper.. Proposed.. Melbourne Olympic Stadium!
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/duongLe_/melbourneolympic2.jpg
And..
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/duongLe_/melbourneolympic1.jpg
:lol:

Reminds me of the Berlin Olympic Stadium.

Would have looked quiet cool by the Yarra. I doubt you could ever increase capacity though.

NICE!
Soooo European!
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probably my favorite melbourne never built was the plan to cover the platforms over FSS. This one was from the 80s by Darryl Jackson i think...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4878/flindersfesmarketom7.jpg

A never built rare find I wish could go on this list ...but can't is the over use of ...usually...white painted tubular space frame....I really got sick of it during the ????? 80's maybe??? It's efficient and strong but to me looks the cheap way of holding something up.....The bracing above Telstra Dome or Rod Laver Arena...Collins Place Great Space....and what inspired me to write this post in the first place....That plan for covering Flinders St Station looks OK....keeping a link to original station architecture yet looking through those vaults those bloody white truss space frames!!!!!!....Maybe it's just me?

I think Perth Central is good example why you DON'T want to mix 1980's structuralist architecture with heritage facades as shown in that Flinder's render.

NICE!
Soooo European!
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probably my favorite melbourne never built was the plan to cover the platforms over FSS. This one was from the 80s by Darryl Jackson i think...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4878/flindersfesmarketom7.jpg

I like it, and I don't know why they didnt go ahead with it. Fits in with the existing buildings. It would of opened up that stretch of the Yarra to the public even more.

There's probably a good reason why it was never built. I'm glad it wasn't, as I think it would have detracted from the original station's design. If they ever do propose an extension again I hope it is a design which is a contrasting structure to the station not some 80's po-mo hybrid.

And this is what they were planning to do with The Rocks nearly half a century ago

A couple of proposals from 1962 which were displayed to the public at the Commonwealth Bank Building in Martin Place.

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12693.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12695.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12701.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12694.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12702.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12254.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12252.jpg

http://image.sl.nsw.gov.au/apa/12/d7_12699.jpg

Thank GOD that never happened. You know it would have looked like a mirror of Milson's Point or Seidler would have got his grubby mits on it.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3815/grollotower001mediuman3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Surly DCM are going to sue the daylight out of Murphy Jahn Design for copying this tower.

Shit! They are identical!

DCM were going to build it in Dubai, but that got cancelled too.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1198MurphyJahnDesign570mTallTower_pic1.jpg

As Edward said Burj Dubai concidered using DCM's Grollo Towers plans.This last pic says Qatari?....maybe they sold on the plans? I think Bruno Grollo sold the plans to them but when then they decided to go even taller...remember the first DCM set of Grollo Tower plans were for a 680 metres tower......as in that pic. Hmmm if it had gone ahead it would be there by now..and probably just part of Melbournes skyline....SSC guys would have visited the ob decks ..taken pics from the top and the glass corner lifts....every day there would have been more posts..more pics.....I probably have never mentioned it ??? but I liked that building....I think I am going to cry.....

An instantly recognizable city, bigger exposure for docklands, no need for the wheel (= paramount studios), WTB... lets just hope Zaha Hadid has something good up her sleeve!
I think we need some doughnuts and a big tub of ice-cream.

And while we're having a cry-fest...

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8079/picture8hy3.png

.. wow o.o

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8079/picture8hy3.png[/QUOTE]

this looks like leftovers from world expo 88

LOL!
I like what we got, but i like that one better

More:
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2783/picture18us2.png

I think Federation Square is successful but here are a few pics of other contenders. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6081/fedsq003it7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
By redbaron_012 (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/redbaron_012) http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3470/fedsqgq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Thanks RB! Who are the first two by?

The Crystal design was from Chris Elliott Architects, and the second was Jenny Lowe & Associates......I have a book called ' Transition' a quarterly publication by RMIT. It has all the diagrams and renders of each bid. Sorry I repeated one pic but it's often on slow dial up that I make a post before all previous pics are showing. I'm not a real fan of the DCM last version with leaning tower.

I like Federation Square as it is now. Its as good as it gets.

The rollercoaster thing and green bubbles is just disgraceful, it wouldn't have been a very nice place to visit methinks.

This was a proposal for Moscow, during the days of the Soviet empire. I quite like it, it would have been massive and imposing. I wouldn't mind constructing this in Perth, but remove the statue of Lenin and replace it with either Allanah Mctiernan (our transport and infrastructure minister) or Lisa Scaffidi (our awesome lord mayor, who is a member of SSC)

:eek2:
http://muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/01.jpg
http://muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/03.jpg
http://muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/09.jpg
http://muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/11.jpg
http://muar.ru/press_dossier/2006/visotki/16.jpg

I can imagine that in central melbourne with john so on top!
The mayor is a member of SSC? WOAH! no wonder you guys get such awesome buildings!