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Skaros
February 5th, 2005, 12:58 AM
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Methoni, one of the most historical places in the Peloponnese, with a cultural life that is centuries old

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Visit www.methoni.gr for more detailed info and pics.

In the northest part of the west coast of the Peloponnese, lies the great fortress of Methoni.
In the small peninsula, that was already fortified from ancient times, there has always been a city, renown for its harbour. It has been identified to the city Pedasus that Homer mentions under the name "ampeloessa" (of vine leaves), as the last of the seven"evnaiomena ptoliethra", that Agamemnon offers Achilles in order to sumdue his rage
. Thukidides (2,25) notes that the fortificcation of the city during the Peloponnesian war (431 π.Χ.) wasn't strong. Pausanias names the city Mothoni -and Mothonians its ihgabitants- and mentions that it was named after either the daughter of Oineas or aafter the small islet -that was later fortified- the name of which was "Mothon Lithos ". The rock protected the port of Methoni and at the same time stopped the large sea turbulation. The people of Nafplion settled in Methoni after the end of the 2nd Messinian was because they were chased away by the Argeians as allies of the Lakedemonians. Even after the independence of Messinia from the Spartans (369 π.Χ.) the Naftpleians continued to live in the area because they had maintained a friendly attitude towars the Messinians who returned to their homeland. During the 4rth century B.C. Methoni was fortified with more elaborately and continued to remain autonomous to the imperial roman years, when it enjoyed the favour of some emperors. During the Byzantiine years it continued to remain a remarkable harbour and one of the most important cities of the Peloponnese, home of the bishop.

The Venetians started having their eye on the harbour of Methoni since the 12th century, since "it was in the middle of the route frome Venice to the East". Moreover, in 1125, they had lanched an attack against the pirates who used it as a shelter, because they had captured Venetian traders on their way home from the East. When the Franks had Constantinople under a siege in 1204, Geoffrey de Villehardouin strayed with his ship to Methoni on his way to Constantinople and had to spend winter in the area. He then accepted the invitation of the local lord Ioannis Kantakouzinos to help him occupy the Western Peloponnese and "success crowned the arms of this unnatural alliance". when Kantakouzinos died, his son tried to break the alliance, with no success, since Villehardouin had understood that the conquering of the Peloponnese by the Latins would be easy work.

Methoni initially, together with Koroni, were given to Geoffrey de Villehardouin. The Chronicle of Moreas mentions the reception of the Franks by the inhabitants. "They came out with the crosses, as well as with icons and came and kneeled before Kampanesis and they all sworn themselves his slaves to the death".

In Το 1206, however, the Venetians occupied the two cities and theid domination was established in the spring of 1209 with a treaty signed with Villehardouin , who made all the necessary consents that would guarantee him the help of Venice for the final subbordination of the Peloponnese. Life was organised in Methoni, as well as Koroni, according to the interests of Venice and the two cities became guardians of its interests, the "most important eyes of the State" to the trade and sea routes to and from the east. The Venetians fortified Methoni, which developed, as well as Koroni, into an important trade center with great prosperity. There are detailed descriptions in the venetian archives of the organisation and authority of the two messinian colonies of Venice as are on the image that they projected during the second half of the 14th century and mainly after the famish, when it was necesarry for them to be populated with "a new body of colonisers from the metropolis".


Medieval port of methoni

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It was only natural to attract the attentions of the Turks, who, despite the treaties with Venice, were harbouring the notion of concquering the area. Vaghiazit B', in late 1500, gathered his forces against Methoni, "Port-Side of Frank Greece, the important middle station between Venice and the Holy Lands, where every traveller stopped on their way to the East. A pilgrim who went by in 1484 admired its strong walls, the deep moats and the fortified towers" ten years later it was more fortified. Vaghazit, despite the hard siege, would not have been able to invade it if the inhabitants, thrilled by the arrival of reinforcements, hadn't deserted the walls, a fact that the yenitsars took advantage of and invaded the tower from the governor's palace. The city was given to the flames, the Catholic bishop was killed while talking to the people, the men were decapitated, the women and children were sold to slavery.On the 9th of August 1500 "Methoni fell after haveing been in the hands of the Venetians for abour three hundred years. Happy for his trophy, Vagiazit made the yenitsar who first climbed the walls a santakbei, meaning a provincial commander and on the first Friday after the invasion, when the fire went out, he went to the desecrated cathedral to offer his thanks to the god of battle, to whom, as he confessed, when he was looking into the deep moat, owed the conquering of this fortified city". The desolation was so complete that he ordered families to be sent "from every village of Morias" so that Methoni regains its population again. The walls were repaired and the period of the first turkish occupation began. In 1531 the Knights of St John landed on the port of Methoni, planning to occupy the previously Venetina colony. Initially, they managed with a conspiracy to disembark and take out the guards. But the occupation of the fortress was not completed because turkish reinforcements arrived that forced them to leave, after having ranshacked the town and arrested 1600 prisoners. In 1572 the shores of Methoni were threatened by Don Juan of Austria, who did not manage to occupy it in the end.

During the whole of the 16th and 17th century, even though the look of Methoni hasn't changed, teh decline in all sectors is obvious. In June 1686 the forces of Moroxini had Methoni under siege, which was deserted by the Turks on the 10th of July. The walls, that suffered substantial damages during the siege were repaied and new inhabitants were sent to reinforce the population of the town. However, this second period of Venetian occupation did not last for long. In 1715 the Turks launched a siege to the castle and the Venetian defenders, deserted it terrified leaving via the sea gate. During this second period of Turkish occupation the decline was complete. As is apparent from the travellers' descriptions, the population was reduced, the battlements were in bad condition and the harbour became shallow. The most important trade conducted was that of slaves! The disappoinment that the travellers of the era felt, is also obvious in F. Chateaubriand's Tour, where its story is considered "with no glory".

In 1825 Imrahem occupied Methoni and settled in the command building, over the entrance of the castle. In the same building, the French general Maison who freed the town together with others in the Peloponnese, settled in 1829.

Nowadays the walls of the fortres, even though in ruins, continue to be impressive. The castle of Methoni occupies the whole are of the cape and the southwestern coast to the small islet that has also been fortified with an octagonal tower and is protected by the sea on its three sides. It;s north part, the one that looks to land, is covered by a heavily fortified acropolis. A deep moat seperates the castle from the land and communication was achieved by a wooden bridge. The Venetians builded on the ancient battlements and added on and repaired it during both periods that they occupied the castle.

Its entrance is roughly in the middle of the north side and is accessed by a stone bridge of 14 arches, that was built over the moat by the techniciats of Expedition scientifique de Moree, that accompanied general Maison. At the same time the gate was renovated, which with its monumental form constitutes one of the most impressive features of the castle. The other is the area it occupies. The entrance gate ends in a curviform arch framed on the right and left by pilasters with corinthian capitals. It is considered to be the work of Venetians after ο 1700. On the right and left of the entrance two large battlements can be seen. On the east part is the one built by general Antonio Loredan, during the second period of Venetian occupation.

That is when the moat that surrounded the battlmenets was expanded towards teh land and work was done on the on the bank of soil, that bears a plaque with a relief of the Lion of St. Mark. On the west edge is the Bembo battlement, which was built during the 15th century, The north side of the walls had reached its final form in the beginning of the 18th century and it retains it to this day. The north part of the walls reach 11 metres in height and the two battlements communicated through a passage. The wall is fortified with square towers on the NE side and a large round one on the NW. In order to build that they used well worked stoned that were lined with mortar. In some parts they used ancient construction material, easily seen nowadays in one of the north side towers as well as on the south part of the walls.

Right after the central gate, a domed road opens up that leads through a second gate and then a third in the interior of the castle, where the habitable part was and which was seperated from the north part with a vertical low wall (approximately 6 meters), fortified with five towers (four square and one octagonal) is dated to the period after 1500, when the Turks tried to reinforce the population and the fortification of the caste. In the interior there are ruins of the houses where the venetian lords lived during the period of rise, the paved street that led to the sea gate, the ruins of a turkish bath , the Byzantine church of St. Sophia, close to which a slate with latin lettering was found (dating back to 1714), parts of doric pillars, a monolithic granite pillar (1493/4), unlined, with a capital on the top of byzantyne style, which is supposed to have supported either the winged liion of Venice or the bust of Morozini. That is why it is called "Morozini's stele ". There was an inscription on the capital that has not survived to this day. On the left of the entrance are the ruins of the building which originally Imbrahem used as a residence in 1826 and later general Maison. The French of the liberating corps remained in the area till 1833 and the construction of the church of Santa Sotira, which is still in the castle is attributed to them. In the interior of the castle there are also a few cisterns and the remains of the brithsh prisoner's cemetary during the 2nd World War.

On the south part of the walls rises the spectacular sea gate which has recently been restored. It is comprised of two tall square towers (16 meters) that are linked with a platform (about 18 meters long and 6 wide) that is crowned with bastions. The gate opens in the center, and it ends uo in an arch on the top. The towers are build with large poros stones and had rooms in their interior. A stone-paved stretch leads over a small bridge to the small fortified islet of Bourtzi. This is the place where many soldiers and inhabitants of Methoni were slaughtered, when the Turks occupied the fort in 1500.
Bourtzi is dated back to the period after 1500 and has been used in various instances as a prison. It has a two-floor octagonal tower. On each floor there is a parapet with bastions. The tower finishes in a round dome. On the lower floor there was a cistern and the whole works, with small defensive value, is dated during the first period that the Turks occupied the fortress.

The west part of the walls is not as well costructed as the others. The wall was fortified with 5 square towers and chonologically it dates to the first period, when the Venetians occupied the fortress. This part with the rocks and the rough sea makes it hard to attack the castle and this is probably why there was not much attention paied to its construction. Moreover, this part of the castle seems to have suffered less damages as well as less repairs. It was here that during the 2nd World War, after an exlposion, parts of well constructed stones from the ancient walls of Methoni were found. Ancient construcning material has also been used in the foundations of one of the square towes. In the interior of the walls, ruins of turkish military establishments are preserved.

The east side of the walls also reached initially to the sea. Nowadays, a long strand of beach lies in front of a large part of it. Parallel to the east wall, up to the Bourtzi, there was a pier and this is where the small fortified harbour was formed (mandrachio), while the big one was to the northeast where ships could be pulled. The wall was fortified with towers on this side as well. The long east side has suffered many repairs, performed on the initial venetian battlements of the 13th cenury, mainly during the second venetian occupation and the turkish occupation. In one of the towers parts of the byzantine fortification are preserved. On the east side there was a small gate protected by a tower. On the southeastern part the ruins of a turkish tower are preserved.

On various parts of the fortification there are venetian emblems with the winged lion of St. Mark and inscriptions. This is the case on the north part of the Loredan battlement, where there is an inscribed plaque from the time when general Loredan was in command in the Peloponnese. On the north wall, on the right of the main entrance, there is also a plaque with the coat of arms of the families of the Foscarini, Foscolo and Bembo, to which the inscription denotes the construction of the Bembo battlement, just before 1500.

The castle of Methoni rises deserted and isolated today. When the winter winds hit its walls the locals say that you can hear the screams of the prisoners and the unjustly killed in the Bourtzi.

The best time to enjoy Methoni is the late afternoon, from the hill opposite. Then the light of the sun that is ready to sink on the side of the Ionian, glides over the large walls crowning them with dull tones. A sweet tranquility dominates everything.

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Moroni's Column in the fortress at Methoni is a mystery but there is an identical one in Venice in the Piazza San Marco
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Raleigh-NC
February 7th, 2005, 04:22 PM
Many thanks for putting together such a wonderful thread for Methoni. That town is truly a nice place, and along with Koroni and Pylos (Navarino) they make a visit to Messinia a worth your while trip. Being from Kalamata, I have great appreciation for that place and I am looking forward to seeing more of Messinia. I would have loved to see some photos from Kalamata and Messini, as well.

Skaros
February 27th, 2005, 04:43 PM
Another view of the castle

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Skaros
March 3rd, 2005, 01:52 PM
http://www.salzburg-online.at/irmstef/bilder/G-Methoni/g08Burg%20Methoni.JPG

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Early Christian Cemetary of Saint Onoufrios
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Byzantine temple of St. Basilius ( 11th century A.D )
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Ammos beach in the untouched island of Sapientza exactly oposite of Methoni
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Sapientza

An island south of Methoni with a natural environment that captivates the visitor starting by rocky areas and ending in forests and ravines rich in strawberry trees (Arbutus Unedo). History and legend touch the imagination of the visitor challenging him to look for the lost monastery or remember hearsay looking for Manetta's cave. The mystery of the island becomes stronger because its real historical development is virtually unknown so each visitor can be a potential explorer.

FLORA AND FAUNA OF THE ISLAND: There is rich Mediterranean growth in Sapientza, of Pistacia lentiscus, Quercus coccifera, strawberry trees, Olea europaea sylvestris, Myrtus communis, Kalycotomus sp., thyme, poaceae, gramenae, Papilionaceae.We also see tall olive trees that reach 10 meters in height. An area covering 240 acres has been announced "Natural Preserve Monument" by the state.

Concerning game, in 1982, 1100 pheasants where released, while until 1986, twenty wild goats (kri-kri) and 26 sheep. Nowadays, the populations is estimated to be about 700 animals, (400 sheep and 300 chamoes).

Each year, a decree of the General Secretary of the Perfecture of Peloponnese states the time and the particular days that hunters from all over the country can visit the istland to hunt wildsheep, wild goats, pheasants, growse, Scolopax rusticola, Coturnix coturnix, Turdus philomelos. Since the area is controlled by the Forestry of Kalamata, each hunter has to contact the Forestry in order to get the required permission. The prices and the particular number of each species of game are stated by the forestry. The hunters can leave for the island from the port of Methoni at 8.30 in the morning and return at 2.00 in the afternoon.

The most important and beautiful island in the Oinoussai complex is Sapientza. It has been the favourite docking place for every fleet that had business with the cities of Methoni and Koroni, these important cities of the Mediterranean during the whole span of the middle ages.

With the Sapientza Treaty in 1209 it passed in the hands of the Venetians. It has been used as adocking area for the Turks and the Venetians during the third Venetian-Turkish war, and as a base of operations for the Greek fleet in 1825.

The ships that usually sailed near the coast of the island frequently crashed on its rocky coast resulting in the discovery of many important shiprwrecks from all the historical periods. One of these sank at the north part of Sapientza with its stolen cargo which was the pillars from the Grand Peristyle built by Herod in Caissareia, Palestine, in the 1st century A.D.

Another great shipwreck located in the northwest of the island, is the Sarchophagi shipwreck as it is called (Roman sarchophagi by sculpted titanian stone). The shipwrecks around Sapientza are so numerous and important that there is a thought for the creation of an underwater archaeological park.

Sapientza is a low island with an area of 9 square kilometres, its highest peak being on its north part, Foveri, at a height of 219 m. The slopes of the island climb up in lush greenery, and the crlystal clear waters of the sea, have a unique exotic colour.


Important sites:

The coastline of the island is rocky steep in some parts, while gentle in others. There is only one sandy beach on the island but is a real gem. This beach is located on the north part of the island, facing Methoni and is called Ammos. It is protected by the northwestern winds and has a basic docking area and a wooden gazeebo where one can rest.

On the northern hills of the island is a location called "Fragkokklisia". This may be the place where the Benedictine monastery (or St. John's of Jerusalem order) was located, where the treaty of Sapientza was signed, in 1209.

On the east side of the island, a rocky bay is located, called Maghazakia, where a good dock is. This is where the path that leads to the heart of the island, starts. There, the mountains form a natural fort around the protected valley, where a miracle of nature is preserved intact, the only Mediterranean Strawberry Tree Forest. It is comprised of trees, not bushes, with a height that is well over 10–12 m., which develop so much due to its isolation as well as the climatological conditions in the past 10.000 years. The forest and surrounding area of 24 hectars has been declared a natural preserve monument since 1986. Before this forest, an unusual sight is revealed: in the deep of the lushious green valley, in the center of the island, instead of vegitation, there is an orange-green plateau. This is a strange stone that was created by huge volumes of pollen that were concentrated there. This particular valley is named Spartolakka nad is the best source of information on the island for the scientists, concerning the dating of the forest.

The surrounding slopes are coverd in thick Pistacia lentiscus, Quercus coccifera, Olea europaea sylvestris, Calycotome villosa, Querqus ilex, and wild flowers. The vegitation is wild and thick. It is the habitat for herds of wild animals and birds. Here we meet herds of wild cretan wild goats (known as krikri) as well as wild sheep (mouflon). Through the vegitation, pheasants, growse, Columba livia, Scolopax rusticola, Turdus philomelos, spring up in the air.

It is usual for the visitor to come upon the previously mentioned inhabitants of the island. the area is controlled by the forestry dividion and hunting is allowed in it for a few months only, and for a particular number of game, under the supervision of a chaperon. In this way, the populations on the island are preserved.

To the south, we come accross a large closed bay, Porto Logo the safe harbour of the sailors and the fleets. coming into the bay, we pass by the islet of Bomba, where according to legend the Apostle Paul landed when his ship sailed into a storm on its way to Rome. The bottom of the bay is strewn with shipwrecks.

On the south part of the Porto Loggo bay, a path starts, via which the visitor can visit the south part of the island where the lighthouse of Sapientza is located. It is an impressive octagonal stone building of 18 metres in height built by the English circa 1890. At its base there are rooms for the lighthouse personnel. By climbing the 75 stone steps we reach the top of the lighthouse. The view is spectacular. The distance covered byt the lighthouse beam duriing the first years of its operation was 40 miles, while today, this distance has been reduced to 27 miles.

At the southest part of the island there are two islets, called Dyo Adelfia. To their southeast, the Oinnousai Pit is located, an underwater abyss that reaches to the deapest part of the Mediterranean, at 5.121 m., where reasearch for the "NESTOR" experiment is cunducted and has to to with neutrinos and the past of the universe. Many greek and international institutions contribute to this effort.

The west coasts of Sapientza are steep and wild, almost always stormy. In this part the protected small bay of Maneta is located. Legends tell us that the renown pirate Manetas used the cave that was here as his hideout, and launched all attacks to passing ships from here. Nowadays, the cave does not exist.

The island of Sapientza as seen form Methoni
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Winter in Methoni
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Raleigh-NC
March 4th, 2005, 04:05 PM
I loved the extra photos. Thanks for posting them here :okay:

Skaros
August 13th, 2005, 12:16 AM
Χρήστο αν μπορείς βάλε σε παρακαλώ και τη Μεθώνη στη λίστα που έχεις φτιάξει με τα threads για τις ελληνικές περιοχές/πόλεις. ( Στην κατηγορία Πελοπόννησος )
Ευχαριστώ.

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LEAFS FANATIC
October 12th, 2005, 10:34 PM
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Skaros
December 5th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Some pics of the beautiful beaches of Methoni and the region arround it :


Finikounda, a picturesque fishing village and one of the biggest tourist resort of the Peloponnese, built next to the sea, practicalle at the break of the waves, in the heart of a bay, just 12 km from Methoni. It is the "Finikous limin" (harbour of Finikounda) that Pausanias mentions. At the area of Analipsis and at the location called Anemomylos, there are signs of an ancient settlement. Sandy beaches, beautiful bays and the coastline compose an enchanting landscape.

http://www.methoni.gr/album/f10.jpg

Mavrovouni beach (On the route from Methoni to Koroni and just before Finikounda)

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On the route from Methoni to Koroni and just before we reach Finikounda

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Lampes beach (between Methoni and Foinikounta)

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eating by the sea and in front of the castle...

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the road from methoni to finikounta

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anemomylos beach

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Raleigh-NC
December 5th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Nothing like enjoying a nice meal, right at the beach, feeling the breeze on a warm day :okay: Simple and joyful, at the same time!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/lgrits/olympia/DSCN4150.jpg

Skaros
December 10th, 2005, 10:49 PM
Γεια σου ρε Raleigh-NC! :)

http://www.candideopreis.nl/images/baaimethoni27072001.jpg

Raleigh-NC
December 12th, 2005, 03:46 PM
^^ :lol:

Now, if we can get some nice, nude beaches, with some hot chicks lying under the sun, the natural beauty of the area will be supplemented very well ;) Anyway, next time I am in Greece I will have to take a little trip to Methoni, Koroni and Pylos, this time with my wife.

Skaros
June 1st, 2006, 01:15 AM
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Skaros
June 6th, 2006, 12:04 PM
Καλοκαιράκι στην όμορφη Μεθώνη... μπανάκι στα πεντακάθαρα νερά με θέα το μεσαιωνικό κάστρο...

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Raleigh-NC
June 6th, 2006, 02:31 PM
More lovely photos!!! Thanks for sharing them with us. I may be silent, but I do visit this thread.

Skaros
June 6th, 2006, 03:05 PM
Thank you Raleigh! να σαι καλά ! :)

You are the only visitor to this thread dear friend , even if it exists for more than 1 year in the hellenic agora.It is strange and sad for me because i see other forumers commenting everyday to threads that dont have even one photo or to threads that have the same and the same again places.
I guess three things happen :
1) most people prefer to see the same concrete-mass buildings of Athens (or the same worthy buildings from 100 different angles , times of the day , times of the year etc.) .
2) no one likes this place
3) it is not santorini or rodos so not catchy
Anyway i dont want to be negative , i know that at least some of you are interested in some eye-breathing OUT of our capital...

PS: It is another story for another thread but unfortunatelly Greece has one of the most unequal regional developement in whole EU .
The region of Peloponnese and western Greece are forgotten the last 30 years.
I hope that this will change (hoping is always the best way to live in a town or city out of Athens in Greece).

Giorgio
June 7th, 2006, 08:24 AM
I didnt see this thread.
Very Nice indeed.
Reminds me of scotland.

Raleigh-NC
June 7th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Skaros, I am sure others see the thread. Unfortunately, there isn't much one can say about the beauty of Methoni strictly by looking at the photos. I am lucky enough to have visited and I know how great that place is, but others may not have :( Like you said, it is not Rodos, Corfu, Santorini, etc. It is a great town that waits to be discovered by the masses, although there is a lot of tourism to make this place a favorite among many areas in Messinia.

As for the entire region's status, don't even get me started :no: Most of Peloponnese is almost forgotten. Some nice things here and there, but other than that nothing major. On the other hand, it is up to the locals to provide the environment for more investments and therefore prosperity. Tourism is one way of attracting funds and wealth. Kalamata, for example, has not taken advantage of its huge waterfront. Instead of homogeneous (re)development of its coastal front, the city wastes resources and energy on debating over petty things. Once the local officials demonstrate unity among themselves and create a bond with other cities and towns in the region, rest assured things will change. Until then, the potential will remain unrealized.

LEAFS FANATIC
June 7th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Thank you Raleigh! να σαι καλά ! :)

You are the only visitor to this thread dear friend , even if it exists for more than 1 year in the hellenic agora.It is strange and sad for me because i see other forumers commenting everyday to threads that dont have even one photo or to threads that have the same and the same again places.
I guess three things happen :
1) most people prefer to see the same concrete-mass buildings of Athens (or the same worthy buildings from 100 different angles , times of the day , times of the year etc.) .
2) no one likes this place
3) it is not santorini or rodos so not catchy
Anyway i dont want to be negative , i know that at least some of you are interested in some eye-breathing OUT of our capital...

PS: It is another story for another thread but unfortunatelly Greece has one of the most unequal regional developement in whole EU .
The region of Peloponnese and western Greece are forgotten the last 30 years.
I hope that this will change (hoping is always the best way to live in a town or city out of Athens in Greece).



Skaros, I am sure that, although people may not be responding, they greatly appreciate the valuable contributions you make to the Hellenic Agora and other SSC threads. I know I do.

I have never been to the Methoni castle but your pics have made me want to go there when I have a chance. So, as you can see, you have influenced me to go see a part (and history) of Greece I had never seen before.

So, to add to your thread, I have included some photos below. I hope you like them:

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/6708/117486567dcd4c2abeab6wh.jpg

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/1305/1174865663883aa2519b5jd.jpg

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8441/344666548d9f6a0ca8b9ii.jpg

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/2970/31673881d40d73ac12b5sw.jpg

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/6355/26029045fc5ae49ebbb0xk.jpg


And lastly, a bonus picture of the magnificent Rio Antirion bridge which you have provided us witrh so many amazing pictures of:

http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/3305/1191937649cabeb147co4nn.jpg

Skaros
June 7th, 2006, 11:42 PM
Να σαι καλά Leafs παλιόφιλε , σε ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια !! Με το καλό να έρθεις προς τα μέρη μας στην πελοπόννησο και να τα πούμε και από κοντά να πάμε για ένα περίπατο στη γέφυρα! :cheers:

Raleigh-NC
June 8th, 2006, 03:30 PM
Great pics, Leafs :okay: Nice contribution to this thread. Hopefully I will be able to visit Methoni during my next trip to Greece, whenever that will be. Off topic question: how do you guys up in Canada view the Canes? We finally have a chance in getting the Stanley Cup, and I know we must have surprised many people, although we had a good season. Raleigh is living and breathing for this event these days :)

LEAFS FANATIC
June 8th, 2006, 04:59 PM
Great pics, Leafs :okay: Nice contribution to this thread. Hopefully I will be able to visit Methoni during my next trip to Greece, whenever that will be. Off topic question: how do you guys up in Canada view the Canes? We finally have a chance in getting the Stanley Cup, and I know we must have surprised many people, although we had a good season. Raleigh is living and breathing for this event these days :)


Geia sou Raleigh!

To be honest with you, hockey became dead for me as soon as the Toronto Maple Leafs were mathematically out of the playoffs. I simply cannot cheer for another team. That would be like a die-hard Olympiakos fan cheering for AEK or Panathinaikos. It doesn't happen, right?

However, that being said, I am glad to see hockey being the big news in Raleigh which, traditionally, is not a hockey-market. I think most Canadians want to see the game grow and for that to happen it will have to continue growing in some of America's non-traditional hockey markets.

Carolina was a strong team all year round and with the goaltending they are getting from Ward, it looks like they will win it this year. From what I have seeh on tv, the party on the streets will be wild if they do!

Raleigh-NC
June 8th, 2006, 10:21 PM
Thanks Leafs. best of luck to your team next year... Sorry for distracting from the topic :(

LEAFS FANATIC
June 9th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Να σαι καλά Leafs παλιόφιλε , σε ευχαριστώ για τα καλά σου λόγια !! Με το καλό να έρθεις προς τα μέρη μας στην πελοπόννησο και να τα πούμε και από κοντά να πάμε για ένα περίπατο στη γέφυρα! :cheers:

:okay:

Skaros
August 6th, 2006, 09:20 PM
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3827/1275/1600/DSCN1774.jpg

Aurora De La Manana
September 6th, 2006, 03:02 PM
I am Very thankful that Skaros has put such great information and pictures up of an area less known. Yes, the popular islands and tourist places do have an importance for what they offer, BUT I for one am seeking places less traveled. Both my Uncle and I are traveling to Greece and after i show him some of the tourist spots - we are driving out to Kalamata to visit where our grandmother was born. I am Fascinated by the whole region but with only 3 days to meander around, i will have to come back again. Are you sure you really want the whole Peloponnesos region to be touristy? i love seeing the pictures with no crowds and people - giving the 'feel' of having the place all to yourself. Wow! and i can only imagine what the rest of the surrounding area must be like so rich in history. I am glad to have found out such great information regarding history and location. There are those of us looking for less traveled paths of today - and what you have shown me gives me a taste of what is out there - THANKYOU! and if anyone has any other special places of Peloponnese to share - PLEASE post - i leave in one month - of course i will always go back - it is going to take the rest of my life to see all that Hellas has to offer!!! :runaway:

tonijh
August 6th, 2007, 10:54 PM
Can I add a few comments. I have been visiting Methoni for the past 4 years and I fell in love with it from day one. It has one of the most distinct characters of any Greek area I have visited. Whilst still being very 'Greek', it seems to retain a distinct diversity of population. During my stays I have met French, Swiss, Italian, German, Dutch, Irish, Welsh, Australian, Canadian, and American people, who either visit regularly or live in the area. I for one love the fact that it isn't too touristy. I hate beaches covered with umbrellas and deck chairs, with booming music from bars, motor boats and pedalos. This is Greece for people who love Greece. Please, please if anyone on this forum lives there, don't let it be spoilt.

ellis896
August 7th, 2007, 03:46 AM
I only knew Methoni as a name and nothing else.Really nice place it is as i see!The only places that i know kinda well are Korinthos and Gytheio 'cause i 've been sent there to serve Mama Patrida! :D
Anyway back to Methoni.You said Sapientza is a small island there...what about Sxiza?Any pictures from that island?Sorry but if you already posted pictures from Sxiza i didn't see 'cause i didn't really red the comments...i like to see pictures rather reading comments :crazy:
I travel with them when i see them and i am really thankfull for the pictures that you people are providing to us! :) :banana:

Skaros
May 20th, 2008, 12:53 AM
Long time to see activity in this thread so here i post two recent pics from the historical town methoni and the beautiful region of southwest peloponnese:

The modern village of Methoni
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/4862/methonimay20081gk0.jpg

The largest medieval castle in Greece and one of the largest in mediterranean sea
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/48/methonimay20082oq4.jpg

I only knew Methoni as a name and nothing else.Really nice place it is as i see!The only places that i know kinda well are Korinthos and Gytheio 'cause i 've been sent there to serve Mama Patrida! :D
Anyway back to Methoni.You said Sapientza is a small island there...what about Sxiza?Any pictures from that island?Sorry but if you already posted pictures from Sxiza i didn't see 'cause i didn't really red the comments...i like to see pictures rather reading comments :crazy:
I travel with them when i see them and i am really thankfull for the pictures that you people are providing to us! :) :banana:

Thanks for your comments Ellis. Schiza (Σχίζα) is the second island of the "Oinouses complex" also an island close to Sapientza , its hard to find pics from this island since its not so visited like the island of sapientza. Also till recently Schiza was used from Hellenic Airforce as an exercise field.
Anyway if i find any pics i will post them here :)

Schiza
from www.methoni.gr

West of cape Akritas, lies the biggest island of the Oinoussai, Schiza, called Cabrera of Carbera in the past. Schiza is an island with an irregular shape, covers and area of 12 square kilometers, and its tallest peak is Vigla at a height of 201 metres on the north part of the island. Its shoreline is rocky with deep waters and there is only a closed calm bay on its south side. Schiza is covered by bushes and herds of goats graze on its soil. Access to the island is forbidden because it is used as a military exercise firing field by the Air Force.(not anymore)

Interesting sites: On the northeastern slopes of Vigla and at a distance of 350 m from the sea, there is a remarkable unexplored cave known as "Mavri Trypa" (the Black Hole). The cave lies in Eocene and Palaeocene limestone. Passing through the cave is extremely difficult. The place that the bold explorer can reach is the gallery which is split into smaller chambers. The sight of stalactites and stalagmites is spectacular. Coarse unpainted pottery dating to pre-historic times have been discoverd. The cave is of Archaeological, Geological and Touristic interest.

ellis896
May 20th, 2008, 01:41 AM
egine Skaros,s'efxaristw ek twn proterwn!
na ipothesw oti den katoikeitai kan i Sxiza.
oso gia tin eikona afti....karallei!!!maresoun poli ta palia teixi sta limania diaforwn merwn px,tis rodou,twn xaniwn kai twra kai tis methonis!! :D

Skaros
May 20th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Να σαι καλά Ellis! :)
Σωστά υπέθεσες το νησάκι δεν κατοικείται. Όταν λειτουργούσε ως πεδίο βολής έμεναν κάποιοι φαντάροι/μόνιμοι της αεροπορίας (το πολύ 6-7 άτομα). Τους ανεφοδίαζε ελικόπτερο από την καλαμάτα.
Δεν ξέρω αν μένει κανένας φύλακας τώρα.


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