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juiced February 5th, 2005, 03:42 PM Here are pics of the first artificial island being constructed off the Dubai coast - The Palm Jumeirah.
These pics were takin in January 2005 by a forum member (thanks Seonnecken)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/jumpalm.jpg
Another pic, and if you look closely you can identify the Dubai Marina, Jumeirah Lake Towers, and Jumeirah Beach Residence towers under construction
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/Marina5.jpg
Render of the finished Palm Jumeirah
http://www.theemiratesnetwork.com/business/property/images/palm_jumeirah.jpg
Satellite image of the Dubai coast, taken 2nd Feb 2005 (Palm Jumeirah is to the right, and Palm Jebel Ali is to the left. The latter will be ready in 2008)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/Palms-2005-02-02.jpg
Villas on some of the palm fronds
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p737b19c11c2fccbc2db69ec873b2691e/f5970882.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p9f7a090cef8608bc582f70509bd8eb14/f59707fd.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p1ab1318620137dadf94e12a01157865c/f5970801.jpg
Official website: http://www.thepalm.co.ae
The first occupants move in in 2005, with the entire project being finished in around 2007
Monkey February 5th, 2005, 03:45 PM Nice pics.
This should go in the new Construction Updates (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=537) section, currently being created by Jan. :)
juiced February 5th, 2005, 03:48 PM Could a mod move it please?
juiced February 5th, 2005, 03:49 PM Hmm weird actually, I'm not sure how I posted this in this subforum
ra7968 February 5th, 2005, 03:54 PM How does one build an island?
1) boat loads of dirt out to a point and drop it into the sea?
2) go underwater and push the dirt up?
3) might have to be rock?
just wondering...
juiced February 5th, 2005, 03:56 PM The sea is filled with sand taken from the desert by the truckloads..literally
RayJay February 5th, 2005, 08:08 PM :eek2: :eek2: Dubai is goig to rock just in a few years
HK4EVER February 6th, 2005, 12:08 AM Those homes look kinda creepy without windows in them... :cheers:
GO DUBAI!
van_gogh February 6th, 2005, 12:21 AM I doubt that the palm will be as green as the rendering due to the density of the house
Dubai-Lover February 6th, 2005, 12:52 AM I doubt that the palm will be as green as the rendering due to the density of the house
dubai is a city full of green areas
i can assure you the palms will be a little paradise once completed
and the palm jumeirah render in post#1 is very old
this is the new masterplan!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Palm_Jumeirah_Master_Plan.jpg
now that the pinnacle on the trunk seems to have been moved to the new 1-week old the mega waterfront project and renamed to al burj, we don't know what tower will be built on the trunk
someone has to check the sales center
elfreako February 6th, 2005, 07:49 AM Those homes look kinda creepy without windows in them...
LOL. Yeah, looks like the day after Armageddon or something.
tritown February 6th, 2005, 09:19 AM Speaking of the Pinnacle/Al Burj and the megaproject mentioned two posts ago, what happened to the thread about it???
Þróndeimr February 6th, 2005, 12:15 PM Incredible masterpiece...:eek:
waustralia February 6th, 2005, 12:35 PM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/Marina5.jpg
The mainland. Is there construction going on there? Where the arrow is pointing and around the waterway. I know Dubai is in the desert but that look's realy ugly, so bare.
Koi February 6th, 2005, 01:57 PM Yes, I want to see some vegetation ... the place is too bare (sands and towers). I hope they will start some planting soon.
juiced February 6th, 2005, 02:06 PM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/Marina5.jpg
The mainland. Is there construction going on there? Where the arrow is pointing and around the waterway. I know Dubai is in the desert but that look's realy ugly, so bare.
The arrow points to Jumeirah Lake Towers, a development of 78 residential/commercial towers in clusters of three that includes a supertall in the middle. Construction has already started on a few, but most should be coming up in 2006-2007.
A few examples of one of many JLT towers:
Laguna Tower (2006)
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/500/11020Laguna_Tower.jpg
The construction work around that waterway is for the Dubai Marina development, about 6 towers were finished years ago and are occupied, but most will be coming up in the 2005-7 timeframe. A lot of the main projects will be finished around Dubai within this time period.
An example of a Dubai Marina tower is the Time Place Tower, it has the world's largest and highest sundial at the very top of the building
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/photopost/data/503/11020Time_Place.jpg
Dubai-Lover February 6th, 2005, 02:24 PM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/seonnecken/Marina5.jpg
The mainland. Is there construction going on there? Where the arrow is pointing and around the waterway. I know Dubai is in the desert but that look's realy ugly, so bare.
lol
what you see is about 5 % of what will be built within this area!!!
it will become a very dense and amazing skyline of about 300 mid-rise buildings and towers, all ranging from about 40m to 350m
it looks ugly, because what you see in this photo is one construction site. but that's just a small part of the real size of the site!!
th0m February 6th, 2005, 02:49 PM I was wondering what kind of transportation is on the island (or peninsula)? I guess you can drive your car into the 'palm' section of the project, but what about the large circle around it? Are there ferries that allow you to take your car to your house or are you supposed to have your own boat and then dock in front of your house or something?
juiced February 6th, 2005, 03:01 PM I was wondering what kind of transportation is on the island (or peninsula)? I guess you can drive your car into the 'palm' section of the project, but what about the large circle around it? Are there ferries that allow you to take your car to your house or are you supposed to have your own boat and then dock in front of your house or something?
There will be a monorail for the island, and also a submarine (Yes that's right!) transportation system between different parts of the island.
The Palm monorail won't be directly connected to the monorail for Dubai city.
There will be an underwater tunnel for cars from the 'trunk' to the circular 'crescent'
th0m February 6th, 2005, 03:14 PM Wow, thats pretty impressive!
DUBAI February 6th, 2005, 04:06 PM There will be an underwater tunnel for cars from the 'trunk' to the circular 'crescent'
The damn thing is supposed to be made of glass :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:
some_stupid_nut February 6th, 2005, 05:18 PM Glass? Are they crazy? Not the whole thing right? Cause what if there is a car accident? They should just have a strip at the top of glass. Like a skylight.
dubaiflo February 6th, 2005, 06:33 PM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/Palms-2005-02-02.jpg
If you look at this picture you can see the green areas under the Marina ,
those are Jumeirah Islands/Villages,
and the whole development above, directly under the Marina and the Marina itself, will be completely landscaped when the projects are almost finished.
Not to forget that the area where the arrow is, will get a huge lake between the towers. (Jumeirah Lakes)
So it will of course not stay like that.
Btw..you will not see a lot of green anyway,as there are built so much towers, that the density will be that amazing you will not think about any grass in the area hehe!
philip February 7th, 2005, 11:20 PM http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p737b19c11c2fccbc2db69ec873b2691e/f5970882.jpg.http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid153/p9f7a090cef8608bc582f70509bd8eb14/f59707fd.jpg
The houses on the palms seem to be denser than what the rendering showed. It looks almost like an American suburb rather than upscale villas.
Well, this is the Dubai version of the American Suburb, completed with waterfronts. :) It will be very nice because the houses look very beautiful and elegant even though they are so close to each other.
And underground tunnel to link the trunk and the outter ring? Can this thing get any better!!
Bahraini Spirit February 7th, 2005, 11:26 PM nice houses with your own beach in a way, cool. This thing will look amazing when completed.
Koi February 8th, 2005, 12:16 AM Will the houses have their own boat landings...like in some parts of Florida? Probably not possible because the houses are too close to each other.
GuilhermeC February 8th, 2005, 12:43 AM The Palms will be the best place to vacation there. The rest of Dubai won't match to it! I'm just afraid of the high temperatures.
Taufiq February 8th, 2005, 01:25 AM Will the houses have their own boat landings...like in some parts of Florida? Probably not possible because the houses are too close to each other.
This one's going to have submarine transportation facilities. There will be water homes with docks on the Palm Jebel Ali.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=115858
Dubai-Lover February 8th, 2005, 01:50 AM only signature villas, the really big ones on the upper part of the fonds, will have docks for yachts i think
Vanman February 8th, 2005, 09:05 AM I still find it hard to believe that all this shit is actually being built, it seems way too crazy to be real, I will definitely have to Dubai at least once before I die
SKYMTL February 8th, 2005, 04:38 PM It does look pretty impressive but if I were paying megabucks for one of those villas there is NO WAY I'd want them built so close together. It's beginning to look like American suburbia instead of an oasis.
AltinD February 8th, 2005, 04:44 PM ^ You're not paying "megabucks" for those houses.
Yamauchi February 9th, 2005, 01:23 AM How much are the houses anyway? They are too close together, but if the price is right I suppose it doesn't matter.
SUNNI February 9th, 2005, 01:29 AM this is what i wanted to see;)
stormyouss February 10th, 2005, 12:24 AM yeah that's very impressive, a masterpiece , go dubai!
DUBAI February 10th, 2005, 02:27 AM If you dont want neighbours that close, then move to ' the world'!
Cliff February 10th, 2005, 03:31 AM If you dont want neighbours that close, then move to ' the world'!
LOL, This made me realise how huge the development of Dubai is, with one terraforming megaproject next to the other.
I realy cannot believe this, what appeared to be a vison has become reality!
Taufiq February 10th, 2005, 03:50 AM LOL, This made me realise how huge the development of Dubai is, with one terraforming megaproject next to the other.
It really is mind boggling.
http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/waterfront.jpg
Yamauchi February 10th, 2005, 05:25 AM That is the first time I've seen a picture of the massive crescent project. Any idea what kind of area surface it would be (square km or square miles)?
Dubai-Lover February 10th, 2005, 08:13 AM 81m sqft
but hey we have an own thread for the waterfront
Koi February 11th, 2005, 01:37 AM Why is everything seem to build out to sea? Would it be cheaper to excavate inland to bring the sea in ??
Krazy February 11th, 2005, 02:01 AM ^ Dubai is not a huge city thats why
Dubai-Lover February 11th, 2005, 02:03 AM enough lakes and creeks extensions will be built within the city
if they would build these projects in the city there was water everywhere, i wouldn't like that
a city located at the sea, so where is the need to move these to the continent???? :dunno:
kcaggarwal March 14th, 2005, 03:06 AM Is there an executive towers being built at the Jumeriah Lakes, Dubai.
Any info on Dubai Peearl ... prices etc
KC
DUBAI March 14th, 2005, 03:25 AM pretty much everything dubai does is executive!
checkout the uae subforum, everthing a man could desire about dubai is there!
tritown March 14th, 2005, 03:25 AM ^I'd think your answer would best be found in the threads relating to your question.
Anyway, these projects are mind-boggling. After seeing the Palm Jumeirah, knowing it's the smallest, it's hard to comprehend. :drool:
Timme March 14th, 2005, 04:29 PM Why is everything build at sea and not on land?
Simple...that;s never done before, people need get up with something new and this is it. :)
Besides that, it's easier to control land in the sea instead of controlling the sea in the land. It's therefor cheaper and looks a lot better also.
Casper March 14th, 2005, 06:05 PM Why is everything build at sea and not on land?
Simple...that;s never done before, people need get up with something new and this is it. :)
Besides that, it's easier to control land in the sea instead of controlling the sea in the land. It's therefor cheaper and looks a lot better also.
:bash:
We have been doing this in the Netherlands sins the middle ages..
and we still do. Main parts of Holland are reclaimed sea.
Dubai-Lover March 14th, 2005, 07:09 PM dubai is not only the 3 palms, dubai waterfront and the world
most of the construction will be on the continent
dubai only has about 70km of seafront of which only a few kilometres are usable as a beach. with these developments we will get more than 1000km of seafront and beaches!
Timme March 15th, 2005, 04:22 PM :bash:
We have been doing this in the Netherlands sins the middle ages..
and we still do. Main parts of Holland are reclaimed sea.
Hmm...good point. Forgot about that. In that case I would not know a better explonation besides that just thought it looks good and the point that Dubai-Lover makes. :cheers:
AltinD March 15th, 2005, 04:28 PM Dutch Companies are doing the land reclaimation for the Palm and other projects. As Casper said, they have done that for centuries, so is logic that Dubai will aproach them to do the work.
kjb434 March 17th, 2005, 09:21 PM Tokyo has also had a lot of reclamation projects to expand development in the past. But the Dutch are the masters at it.
mic March 18th, 2005, 11:58 AM So where are the street side cafes and red light district, and where is the urban dense non-car oriented city, funky bars and clubs, laneways of darkstone and granite, large shaded avenues, long stretches of open nightclubs along famous avenues that pump music into the early morning hours, and the drinking on the beach in cabanas, and the hot looking chicks with designer label clothes and the guys all done up in great brands looking good as ever.......shit not anywhere to be seen here.
Timme March 18th, 2005, 12:05 PM So where are the street side cafes and red light district, and where is the urban dense non-car oriented city, funky bars and clubs, laneways of darkstone and granite, large shaded avenues, long stretches of open nightclubs along famous avenues that pump music into the early morning hours, and the drinking on the beach in cabanas, and the hot looking chicks with designer label clothes and the guys all done up in great brands looking good as ever.......shit not anywhere to be seen here.
Haha, that's a romantic view of the Netherlands. I wish that's how it is every day. At least not what I've seen yet in my country (the Netherlands).
It's true that we're laidback, but that's changing the last years.
But it's good to hear that we're the masters of a specific building technique. :cheers:
Dubai-Lover March 18th, 2005, 01:14 PM So where are the street side cafes and red light district, and where is the urban dense non-car oriented city, funky bars and clubs, laneways of darkstone and granite, large shaded avenues, long stretches of open nightclubs along famous avenues that pump music into the early morning hours, and the drinking on the beach in cabanas, and the hot looking chicks with designer label clothes and the guys all done up in great brands looking good as ever.......shit not anywhere to be seen here.
wow, what a comment
first of all it's a muslim country
if you had used one brain cell you would have realized it's under construction
nezzybaby March 18th, 2005, 02:16 PM ^dubai lover missed the point
of course its already under construction, who doubted that, who said anything in contrary????? all that was said is that it will never be like the netherlands, maybe because its a muslim country, maybe because its not supposed to have a red light district, being a luxury residential complex and all. It wont have the same architecture as the netherlands, it will have a variety of styles of architecture, this isnt a crack at dubai, its just a different kind of project to the mass land reclamation in the netherlands.
unless dubai announce amsterdam world, this is not what is under construction,
AltinD March 18th, 2005, 03:10 PM ^ And who ever compared it to Netherland????? The Neatherland was mentioned only becouse they have experience in land reclamation so they are doing the job in Dubai also.
I think there's a need for a "age-check" for some Australian forumers, so many strange & shallow coments are coming lately from them, and maybe we would know why.
AltinD March 18th, 2005, 03:16 PM Haha, that's a romantic view of the Netherlands. I wish that's how it is every day. At least not what I've seen yet in my country (the Netherlands).
It's true that we're laidback, but that's changing the last years.
But it's good to hear that we're the masters of a specific building technique. :cheers:
The company I work with, do business with Dutch Companies, and I'm in contact with them. My opinion is that you Dutch are a little laid back more then the rest of W. Europe, especially on Friday: "good luck" if there was a problem to be solve that specific day of the week.
Timme March 18th, 2005, 06:58 PM The company I work with, do business with Dutch Companies, and I'm in contact with them. My opinion is that you Dutch are a little laid back more then the rest of W. Europe, especially on Friday: "good luck" if there was a problem to be solve that specific day of the week.
That's true. Especially in the contruction sector people see friday as a weekens beginning and a lot of people work half a day on a friday. But the rest of the week we usually work hard so we can stop early on a friday. :nuts:
It's true that you can't make a city like Dubai simmelar (how do you write that?) because, for example, a red light district can never be made in a muslim country because it's not right according to the believe. Also, I wouldn't want a city in the Netherlands look like a city in a foreign country and I think that people in Dubai don't want their city to look like Amsterdam or The Hague. :)
michal1982 March 21st, 2005, 02:20 PM some pictures please
AltinD March 21st, 2005, 02:45 PM ^ Check the first page of this thread.
Xander March 21st, 2005, 07:25 PM This i such a tacky project.
Krazy March 30th, 2005, 04:28 AM Updates by Alt-Tab
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0846.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0873.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0854.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0848.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0875.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0862.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0887.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v651/AltTabDXB/100_0895.jpg
skyperu34 March 30th, 2005, 04:33 AM great updates !!!!!!
Jue March 30th, 2005, 05:48 AM The city has more cranes than buildings; isn't that spectacular? :)
Qatar4Ever March 30th, 2005, 07:12 AM this is just amazing... bravo dubai
beiklopa March 30th, 2005, 07:28 AM I LOVE IT, Ijust LOVE it
Timme March 30th, 2005, 01:57 PM Damn, Dubai is one big construction site! I know that they're building a lot but didn't think it would be this big.
Oh, nice blue sea there. :)
michal1982 March 30th, 2005, 02:00 PM wow dubai is the graetest construction city in the world
Bender March 30th, 2005, 02:02 PM Never seen such a crane forest :runaway:
Grollo March 30th, 2005, 02:39 PM Anybody still willing to say that Dubai is full of shit and none of it will ever get built? hehehehe.
Largest construction site in the history of the world!
Bahraini Spirit March 30th, 2005, 04:47 PM Skyline is comin in nicely, should be spectacular in a few months time.
Dubai-Lover March 30th, 2005, 05:07 PM there will be hundreds of cranes very soon
most of the towers still have the foundation works going on
in 1 year it will be incredible :yes:
madridskyline21 March 30th, 2005, 05:11 PM Seriously, who's playing Sim City? Dubai is even better than playing Sim City.
metallinestorm March 30th, 2005, 05:27 PM in my eye DUBAI like a great drawing not a human's city, very great.
Magi March 30th, 2005, 06:42 PM Thanx for updates, this is incredible!
SKYMTL March 30th, 2005, 08:01 PM I still say those multi-million dollar houses are way too close together.
Dennis March 30th, 2005, 08:04 PM So many cranes, amazing :eek:
onetwothree March 30th, 2005, 09:52 PM :eek2: Oh my! Look at all the cranes, it's like, there's no building without a crane !
And that Palm project is huge ... and spectacular
tritown March 30th, 2005, 11:01 PM I still say those multi-million dollar houses are way too close together.
I thought those were only about $300k-$400k
Amazing March 30th, 2005, 11:41 PM I thought those were only about $300k-$400k
Yeah "only" 300k... :runaway:
Bahraini Spirit March 30th, 2005, 11:51 PM Depends on which ones you want to buy, prices range from less than $100 K to up to over a million.
tritown March 31st, 2005, 06:32 AM Someone said multi-million dollar homes, and that's not the case. I was just pointing out that the houses that are so close to each other are well below a million. Not that 300-400k is cheap or anything. The homes that are crammed next to each other aren't the million dollar homes.
Dubai-Lover March 31st, 2005, 06:37 AM two types of villas are there
garden homes, which are too close to each other. they cost about $500k
signature villas have a price of up to $5 million
AltinD March 31st, 2005, 12:40 PM Hmmm, tiger and hummerhead sharks were sighted around the Palm. These animals were not seen around shore before. Propably the construction noice and the new marine life around the palm is attracting them.
By the other hand, the dolphins dissapeared, propably sceared away from the noice. Hopefully they'll return when the construction will be compleated and the noices will stop.
Bahraini Spirit March 31st, 2005, 02:33 PM Hehe new theory, construction noise attracts sharks, nice. So therefore, I can come to the conclusion that the coast of dubai is filled with sharks now ;) turned into aussie now.
some_stupid_nut April 1st, 2005, 01:10 AM 500k isnt that bad for a house around here. They were selling the townhouses down the street from me starting at 600k.
DUBAI April 1st, 2005, 08:49 PM i walked around the palms trunk this morning, took quite a few photos!
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3730489
dubaiflo April 1st, 2005, 10:13 PM look at them theyre awesome.
and watch the marina skyline rising in background.
thanks dubai!
another aerial:
http://www.nzcal.com/mark/23flyinghome/images/PIC_0242.jpg
DUBAI April 2nd, 2005, 02:48 PM http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050331/capt.ny19103311445.fantasy_islands_ny191.jpg
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...1/ny19103311445
A boat with the Dubai flag approaches a sample island which is one of the 300 individual islands of 'The World' project off the coast of Dubai, in this Dec. 1, 2004 file photo. The $14 billion project that is reshaping this segment of the Persian Gulf coast is the world's largest land reclamation effort and the focus of one of its most fanciful land rushes. It's also part of Dubai's ambitions to rival Singapore and Hong Kong as a business hub, and Las Vegas as a leisure capital.
che_guapo April 4th, 2005, 05:54 PM Ok my english is bad, but i have one question
Does the people living in those houses will have "property" of the water ??? For example, anyone with a boat will be able to reach those houses or visit them really close, etc. and that will be kind of anoying or insecure to the people living in the houses.
che_guapo April 4th, 2005, 05:56 PM Another thing
What kind of security will they have ?? does anyone knows ??? how will they controll the boats around it, etc
Dubai-Lover April 4th, 2005, 06:02 PM the have a massive police and security force for the whole project, power boats and stuff
but even if you have a boat you're not allowed to enter the project unless you're a registered resident, hotel guest or a residents' guest.
the private islands will not be open for the public
maybe there is some kind of a shuttle service to the wildlife refuge island, restaurant island, jungle island and castle island. these 4 islands could be open for the public
nezzybaby April 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM why is the world project posted in the palm thread.. keep it together people
Bahraini Spirit April 5th, 2005, 10:23 AM They're probably making this world a smaller place, interconnecting people hehe ;).
DUBAI April 5th, 2005, 11:28 AM why is the world project posted in the palm thread.. keep it together people
the world thread has disappeared.
nezzybaby April 5th, 2005, 01:31 PM theres still one in dubai forum, and you could always make another, there is no place for it here, i might go and post renders of freedom tower in the burj dubai thread.
AltinD April 5th, 2005, 01:43 PM theres still one in dubai forum, and you could always make another, there is no place for it here, i might go and post renders of freedom tower in the burj dubai thread.
Burj Dubai and freedom Towers are in two different cities, in two different continents, thousands of miles away and at least 14 hours long journey by direct flight.
The Palm jumeirah and The World, are both off Dubai shore, at a swimming distance away and build by the same developer.
Magi April 5th, 2005, 03:44 PM I don't mind them being together here since they are quite similar to each other and as Altind put it "a swimming distance away".
nezzybaby April 5th, 2005, 08:15 PM so change the name of the thread to dubai offshore developments, its just confusing to stick things together like this. i could understand grouping all the palms together, thats even been done on the website, but the world project is completely different.
Ok maybe not freedom tower, but how about lumping jumeirah lake towers in with here because they're both jumeirah, then burj dubai as well because they both have water and towers... you could lump everything together, but these threads get big enough as it is. besides that article was posted in the world threead in the dubai forums days ago and was seen by anyone whose interested
DUBAI April 6th, 2005, 01:37 AM well i think the offshore developments hould go in 1 thread, coul we have it renamed?
btw, jumeriah lake towers arent in jumeriah, which is 10km to the north.
scdog99 April 6th, 2005, 02:01 AM I believe that in about 50 years, half of Dubai will be deserted because there is more supply than demand. Second of all, I like it but it is almost too much at once. Doesn't that island building harm the ocean? Maybe they will erode... I like the projects but not all of them.
nezzybaby April 6th, 2005, 01:01 PM will help the ocean, they are building artificial reefs round them. was in a press release a while ago.
there is a huge interest in dubai, most of these projects sell out within a few weeks of opening registration. They wouldnt build them otherwise. Lots of investors from england and the rest of europe are interested in homes in dubai, it will one day become a very thriving city. but i guess we can only wait and see
dubaiflo April 6th, 2005, 06:38 PM I believe that in about 50 years, half of Dubai will be deserted because there is more supply than demand. Second of all, I like it but it is almost too much at once. Doesn't that island building harm the ocean? Maybe they will erode... I like the projects but not all of them.
i believe that it is wrong what you believe.
no demand? just look at the sales offices...and these aren't only investors who want to catch the train...
juiced April 7th, 2005, 01:05 PM dubaiflo, firstly the media in Dubai is basically one huge propoganda machine, not everything is as rosy as it seems.
secondly the Palm Deira is doing TERRIBLY, and I think in the 2005-7 period there is either going to be a levelling of prices or a drop in prices, right now they are a little ridiculous.
thirdly in a few years a lot of the projects are going to have terrible maintenaince problems, because there is no construction code in Dubai so what may be considered "high quality" construction here might really be like a mudhut thrown together in two minutes flat by someone from Europe/USA/etc. A good example is the "luxury villas" sitting on a hill in Jebel Ali that have subsidence and have to be demolished. Why haven't you heard about it? Because the media is told to hush it up and instead release press statements talking about 7000units being sold in 24 hours AKA Jumeirah Village
fourthly, population growth figures. they might be accurate but it does not take into account the TYPE of people that are arriving. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands and incoming expats are labourers, they will never be able to afford a house on the Palm Jumeirah or elsewhere..
nezzybaby April 7th, 2005, 01:19 PM why does everyone think $500k is expensive? that gets you a 2 room flat in london, and yes your neighbours will be very close, it will rain constantly, and you wont have your own private beach front. personally i think theyve under priced the properties on palm jumeirah and spread them out to much.
AltinD April 7th, 2005, 01:22 PM ^That is true.
But is also true that both your's (Juiced) and Dubaiflo's families have bought apartments in Dubai. Your's for renting it and he's as a holiday home.
Edit: My post is on reply to Juiced post.
dubaiflo April 9th, 2005, 09:45 PM and i suppose a lot of other familes did the same...
well juiced is right, media is propaganda mostly, but did i say anything different?
and did i see building quality is great?
and concerning the mass of labours who are coming, they don't live in tower apts or most of the other projects we are talking abt here as you said, so they have not much influence on the demand...
palm jum topic: well the prices increased about 100% on secondary market but they are in fact still very reasonable...not to forget the prestige of the project!!
we paid almost as much for our apt as we would have paid for one on Palm Jum, though ours isn't secondary.
quality/maintenance might be a problem too but you have to watch out for the developer carefully and if you do, you might not get any problems.
if you buy lowcost and crappy developer (see pacific tower) it might be different...
abrowser April 12th, 2005, 06:10 PM why does everyone think $500k is expensive? that gets you a 2 room flat in london, and yes your neighbours will be very close, it will rain constantly, and you wont have your own private beach front. personally i think theyve under priced the properties on palm jumeirah and spread them out to much.
In the San Fernando Valley $500K gets you a 3 br 2 ba single fam. residence
apx 1400 sq. ft. on a 6000 sq. ft. lot-If you can find one for sale. Housing market is kinda tight and this is in an average neighborhood not an 'upscale' neighborhood and usually there is no underground utilities. 1/2 mill for a house whew! Most nicer homes go for about 600-700k.
BTW last time I logged onto thepalm.ae the homes there were going for about the same altho much larger, waterfront but no fireplaces and no 3 car garages and a 2 car garages only (I guess there not much of anywhere to drive to in the Emirates)
AltinD April 13th, 2005, 03:48 PM BTW last time I logged onto thepalm.ae the homes there were going for about the same altho much larger, waterfront but no fireplaces and no 3 car garages and a 2 car garages only (I guess there not much of anywhere to drive to in the Emirates)
There is no need for a fireplace in here; you'll never have the oportunity to use it. As for the garagges that is the norm and better not sacrificing valuable space for something (3rd car garagge) that many will not use it, and if they'll have more then two cars, one can always be parked outside.
juiced April 14th, 2005, 03:01 PM All Arabian Ranches villas have a fireplace, God knows why
juiced April 14th, 2005, 03:04 PM In the San Fernando Valley $500K gets you a 3 br 2 ba single fam. residence
apx 1400 sq. ft. on a 6000 sq. ft. lot-If you can find one for sale. Housing market is kinda tight and this is in an average neighborhood not an 'upscale' neighborhood and usually there is no underground utilities. 1/2 mill for a house whew! Most nicer homes go for about 600-700k.
BTW last time I logged onto thepalm.ae the homes there were going for about the same altho much larger, waterfront but no fireplaces and no 3 car garages and a 2 car garages only (I guess there not much of anywhere to drive to in the Emirates)
1400sq ft? Isn't that a little squashed for a 3bd 2ba ?
dubaiflo July 31st, 2005, 12:14 AM by DUBAI
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4642/dsc013601wa.jpg
shoreline apts up to 7F tall already.
Effer July 31st, 2005, 01:38 AM Nice.
malec July 31st, 2005, 02:06 AM I wish we could get some pics of the villas and see how dense all the fronds are.
AltinD July 31st, 2005, 02:09 AM ^ We have those pictures on UAE forum, and propably even here on the earlier pages. Really dense.
malec July 31st, 2005, 02:16 AM I've seen those but wonder if they've done that on all the fronds. There haven't been pictures of the villas posted since about 3 months.
Dubai-Lover July 31st, 2005, 09:43 AM if it just was as accessible as other construction sites....
like burj dubai's for example :D
there is no chance to get on there i think unless you have bought property
goschio July 31st, 2005, 11:27 AM why does everyone think $500k is expensive? that gets you a 2 room flat in london, and yes your neighbours will be very close, it will rain constantly, and you wont have your own private beach front. personally i think theyve under priced the properties on palm jumeirah and spread them out to much.
Dubai is pretty cheap if you compare it with other places around the world. But thats one the the big advantages of Dubai. You get luxury for little money.
dubaiflo August 21st, 2005, 12:03 AM updates by alt tab,
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http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6456/dscf03847ez.jpg
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5571/dscf03888ux.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9705/dscf04788tu.jpg
http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3811/dscf05247zc.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/5347/palmjune20057cr.jpg
Saltec
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http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2122/new14460xg.jpg
Taufiq August 21st, 2005, 12:18 AM ^ wow really nice, thanks for the update. I wonder how many cranes there are on the entire island... hmm.
baqthier August 21st, 2005, 12:21 AM wow!
Sonic from Padova August 21st, 2005, 11:19 PM WOW!
vertigosufferer August 22nd, 2005, 12:15 AM Amazing!! - Where are they getting the money from, to tranform the landscape like this??
dubaiflo August 22nd, 2005, 12:33 AM landscape is not transformed, these islands are man made with rocks and sand using ships and trucks.
money? like every company, investors , and selling the villas/ apts/ plots on the project.
Taxidermista August 22nd, 2005, 01:46 AM OMG. I guess Dubai coast is not in a tsunami risk zone, isn't it?
malec August 22nd, 2005, 01:55 AM No because the persian gulf is an enclosed area, like the mediteranian so no major tsunami disaster would occur.
Anyways the outer edge of the crescent has protection against large waves. Not against 20m ones but still good enough for 6 or 7m ones I think.
Aswell, people shouldn't stop building near the sea because of a tsunami disaster same way as people shouldn't stop building supertall skyscrapers because of 9/11
gucci_london August 22nd, 2005, 02:02 AM AMAZING
gucci_london August 22nd, 2005, 02:09 AM http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5268/39us.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
dubaiflo August 22nd, 2005, 02:05 PM old on, look at the nakheel palm sign on the left.
but thanks anyway.
New York Yankee August 22nd, 2005, 06:47 PM it's nice to see how much cranes there standing. btw, do you know how much 1 large crane cost? so, do you know how much it cost to build such a project with such a large scale!
dubaiflo August 22nd, 2005, 06:55 PM like cranes? visit dubai.....
Faz90 August 25th, 2005, 03:02 AM I am worried about rising sea levels.
dubaiflo August 25th, 2005, 08:01 PM it is not like the houses are half a metre above sealevel...
and btw rising sea level would not only cause problems to the palm so...
crazyevildude August 25th, 2005, 09:58 PM Rising sea levels would be a problem for most of the heavily populated areas of the UAE. It'll be one of the countries in most trouble. But I think they will find a way to deal with it, just as most other wealthy countries will (Holland being the best example). I'm more concerned about developing countries who cannot pay for elaborate and expensive flood defenses. Bangladesh springs to mind.
dubaiflo August 25th, 2005, 10:03 PM exactly. from what i know this would as well be a problem for northern germany, hamburg etc.
nothing special abt the palms there.
malec August 25th, 2005, 10:42 PM Rising sea levels would be a problem everywhere in the world.
crazyevildude August 25th, 2005, 11:20 PM I doubt there'll be a problem in Nepal ;). But you are right, it'll be a problem for alot of places. Dubai will be nothing special really.
Dubai-Lover August 26th, 2005, 03:11 PM yesterday i've seen a very interestin docu made by bbc
there are 2 factors which have a major effect on the climate
the first one is of course the greenhouse effect, but in the nights of sep 11 to 13 2001 something really threatening has been discovered
within these 3 days no aircrafts were allowed to fly in the whole usa
now it comes, the air pollution has incredibly sunk and with it the darkening of earth
the result was, due to less air pollution (which obviously was good) and less darkening of earth (which also should be good) the complete opposite happened.
the nights were cooler and the days were hotter. to be exact, a difference to 1C compared to the day before sep 11 and sep 14. within 3 days the temperature has risen 1C!!!!
these are two powers are effective in opposite directions
scientists have claculated that until 2100 the temp could rise about 10C more than today's average
this means every ice in the world will melt, flood catastrophes everywhere, sea level will rise 9m, which means more than 1bn people's living space is affected
but there is even something extremely more dangerous and worse
the frozen methan on the ground of the sea, which are 10000bn tonnes, yes ten thousand billion tons! these would rise from the ground opf the sea into the air, making the whole world a hot desert
methan is dozens of times more dangerous than CO2!!!
New York Yankee August 26th, 2005, 03:24 PM ...sea level will rise 9m...
holy f*ck, this is the end of the Country of the Netherlands, the end of the tourism in dubai, the end of the palm islands, you know......
dubaiflo August 26th, 2005, 03:30 PM we know why its happening, though nothing changes...
not to forget that it is the USA who cause the most air pollution...
crazyevildude August 26th, 2005, 04:02 PM yesterday i've seen a very interestin docu made by bbc
there are 2 factors which have a major effect on the climate
the first one is of course the greenhouse effect, but in the nights of sep 11 to 13 2001 something really threatening has been discovered
within these 3 days no aircrafts were allowed to fly in the whole usa
now it comes, the air pollution has incredibly sunk and with it the darkening of earth
the result was, due to less air pollution (which obviously was good) and less darkening of earth (which also should be good) the complete opposite happened.
the nights were cooler and the days were hotter. to be exact, a difference to 1C compared to the day before sep 11 and sep 14. within 3 days the temperature has risen 1C!!!!
these are two powers are effective in opposite directions
scientists have claculated that until 2100 the temp could rise about 10C more than today's average
this means every ice in the world will melt, flood catastrophes everywhere, sea level will rise 9m, which means more than 1bn people's living space is affected
but there is even something extremely more dangerous and worse
the frozen methan on the ground of the sea, which are 10000bn tonnes, yes ten thousand billion tons! these would rise from the ground opf the sea into the air, making the whole world a hot desert
methan is dozens of times more dangerous than CO2!!!
The release of that methan is thought to be one of the major contributing factor to the Permian extiction about 250 million years ago. This was the worst extinction ever known, killing around 95% of all life on earth.
Fortunatly we are nowhere near the kind of temperatures to cause that to happen again....Infact we're actually still in a bit of an ice age. The earth is still alot cooler than it was prior to the time of the dinasours. Temperatures dropped after that sending us into the current ice age which is kind of fluxuating in the it's severity(sp?). We happen to be going through a natural rise in temperature at the moment. We are not actually causeing this, it would be happening anyway. We are merely accelerating it. The only danger will be that we cause the mechnasism (namly the pushing of ocean currents to different positions by rising sea levels) to not do it's normal job in bring temperatures back down. Hence and end to the fluxuations and a rise back top temperatures not seen for millions of years. Geologically speaking the planet is in a vary stable condition and has been for several million years - it is that stabilty that has allowed to evolve, now we are in danger of destroying that stability. Whether we'll be ready to deal with the consequences is anyones guess.
juiced August 26th, 2005, 05:19 PM yesterday i've seen a very interestin docu made by bbc
there are 2 factors which have a major effect on the climate
the first one is of course the greenhouse effect, but in the nights of sep 11 to 13 2001 something really threatening has been discovered
within these 3 days no aircrafts were allowed to fly in the whole usa
now it comes, the air pollution has incredibly sunk and with it the darkening of earth
the result was, due to less air pollution (which obviously was good) and less darkening of earth (which also should be good) the complete opposite happened.
the nights were cooler and the days were hotter. to be exact, a difference to 1C compared to the day before sep 11 and sep 14. within 3 days the temperature has risen 1C!!!!
these are two powers are effective in opposite directions
scientists have claculated that until 2100 the temp could rise about 10C more than today's average
this means every ice in the world will melt, flood catastrophes everywhere, sea level will rise 9m, which means more than 1bn people's living space is affected
but there is even something extremely more dangerous and worse
the frozen methan on the ground of the sea, which are 10000bn tonnes, yes ten thousand billion tons! these would rise from the ground opf the sea into the air, making the whole world a hot desert
methan is dozens of times more dangerous than CO2!!!
what was the name of the documentary?
punjabi_dubai_lover August 30th, 2005, 10:34 PM global warming, earthquakes, disasters ......................has everyone being started worrying about the future?
dubaiflo August 31st, 2005, 01:29 AM me. but well i cannot do anything so i don't care.
minime August 31st, 2005, 01:00 PM me. but well i cannot do anything so i don't care.
I do not care either... This is all sooo off topic, it hurts! :jk:
Please, construction pics, keep them coming!
scorpion August 31st, 2005, 08:44 PM continuing the off-topic theme: seems EVERYONE in the world feels not to care anymore, too helpless...
i think people used to really care and feel empowered somehow, but now...
Dubai-Lover August 31st, 2005, 11:34 PM well, when i look at how dramatic the situation in the usa is, any probable effects caused by dubai's projects seem to be not worth to mention
i'm talking about the oil ports at the gulf of mexico. hurricanes are about to increase in power and even come close to this area
when a hurricane reaches the oil port areas, the gulf of mexico would be dead for dozens of years, so don't tell us anything
FM 2258 September 3rd, 2005, 09:38 AM global warming, earthquakes, disasters ......................has everyone being started worrying about the future?
Yes. Just keep building skyscrapers and use technology to fight nature. Nature is not nice to humans.
That's why we build skyscrapers and other infrastructure to keep us alive and living comfortably.
scorpion September 3rd, 2005, 11:55 AM Dubai-L: i agree with you, i'm also adding its clearly a global problem of global proportions
every region in the world is beginning to suffer the costs of such rampant enviro-raping
SA BOY September 3rd, 2005, 12:26 PM dont fuck with mother nature cos she is getting pissed off at the moment
dubaiflo September 3rd, 2005, 03:53 PM which ends the discussion there. right.
now back to PJ!
New York Yankee September 3rd, 2005, 03:57 PM has anyone construction updates???
pali September 3rd, 2005, 11:49 PM Wow, thats really impressive!
Go Dubai
adidas September 3rd, 2005, 11:51 PM YET ANOTHER GREAT PROJECT FOR DUBAI. GO DUBAI.
dubaiflo September 4th, 2005, 02:08 AM has anyone construction updates???
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4469/shorelineapts21aug0516hy.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9705/dscf04788tu.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4791/new14453xp.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2122/new14460xg.jpg
thats the most recent stuff. by dubai forumers!
Jose Luis September 4th, 2005, 02:49 AM Thats so cool!! thanks dubaiflo. Awesome view
New York Yankee September 4th, 2005, 12:26 PM thanks Flo!
but what is this, on the top of the tree?
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2122/new14460xg.jpg
why they make some land on there?
dubaiflo September 4th, 2005, 04:20 PM A tunnel is also being dug to link the palm fronds to the crescent by using coffer dams.
This means two walls are built in the sea, the water is drained away, and the tunnel is built under the surface of the seabed. The seabed is then restored and covered with rocks, the water is pumped back in and the walls removed.
that's what they are doing there.
New York Yankee September 4th, 2005, 04:23 PM ow, that's why.
malec September 4th, 2005, 04:34 PM That process sounds really expensive
Manu84 September 4th, 2005, 04:46 PM http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4469/shorelineapts21aug0516hy.jpg
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/9705/dscf04788tu.jpg
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/4791/new14453xp.jpg
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/2122/new14460xg.jpg
thats the most recent stuff. by dubai forumers!
thanks for the pictures
dubaiflo September 5th, 2005, 01:36 PM That process sounds really expensive
they used it because it's way cheaper than the usual process ( just digging underground) used for channel tunnel for example!
crazyevildude September 5th, 2005, 05:01 PM It way cheaper if it's in relatively shallow water over fairly short distances.
Imagine trying to empty out a section of the english channel when building the channel tunnel :o.
How far out from the mainland is the furthest point of the palm?
malec September 5th, 2005, 05:06 PM That's right, I didn't think of that. The water is very shallow where the palm is built, only about 10m I think.
dubaiflo September 5th, 2005, 05:59 PM or even less.
AltinD September 5th, 2005, 06:00 PM How far out from the mainland is the furthest point of the palm?
3 - 3.5 km
dubaiflo September 6th, 2005, 03:52 PM palm deira is 15km? too lazy to have a look sorry...
malec September 7th, 2005, 01:12 AM palm deira is 15km? too lazy to have a look sorry...
I think it's 13*8km, or maybe 13*6. Can't remember exactly.
dubaiflo October 2nd, 2005, 12:37 AM http://www.stratus2.net/Image(048).jpg
by al million.
taken from 40th floor of marina heights tower (UC/ 207m)
adidas October 2nd, 2005, 12:49 AM Amazing
Chad October 2nd, 2005, 02:40 AM Incredible!!!
juiced October 2nd, 2005, 03:15 PM not impressed
Skoulikimou October 2nd, 2005, 03:33 PM splendid
michal1982 October 3rd, 2005, 01:17 AM woow nice!!
adidas October 3rd, 2005, 01:24 AM They are polluting the sea in a way.
Open Road October 3rd, 2005, 01:37 AM Once the palm is complete, and the marina is complete, and it's all landscaped... wow. Paradise.
FM 2258 October 3rd, 2005, 01:39 AM This stuff looks very cool.
I'm starting to think that Dubai is like an oversized Las Vegas rather than a city with a business and industrial base. I don't see any large ships or ports when I see pictures of Dubai. I can't wait to visit this place. They're doing great things there.
malec October 3rd, 2005, 01:53 AM I don't see any large ships or ports when I see pictures of Dubai.
:hahaha::hahaha:
You should see its 2 MASSIVE ports. That's one of the reasons why it's been so successful in the last 20 years.
smussuw October 3rd, 2005, 02:09 AM ^ The biggest man made port in the world
http://www.dpa.ae/
Locke October 3rd, 2005, 03:01 AM Very impressive! That's what I call thinking Big!
CrazyCanuck October 3rd, 2005, 03:04 AM What is the cost exactly of living ON a palm tree?
FM 2258 October 3rd, 2005, 11:42 AM :hahaha::hahaha:
You should see its 2 MASSIVE ports. That's one of the reasons why it's been so successful in the last 20 years.
Yeah, I have alot to learn about Dubai. :)
^ The biggest man made port in the world
http://www.dpa.ae/
Really? That's interesting.
AltinD October 3rd, 2005, 12:34 PM What is the cost exactly of living ON a palm tree?
Not much different from the cost of living ON a maple tree ... :lol:
malec October 3rd, 2005, 01:01 PM Not much different from the cost of living ON a maple tree ... :lol:
What a crappy joke :D :jk:
I think you can buy a garden home for around $700,000. They come in a few different types. Of course bigger houses are more expensive. Signature villas cost over $1 million.
HT October 3rd, 2005, 01:40 PM There are also 6-Person Appartmeants for 360.000 € !!
So even for Mid-Class People there is something to find on the Palm .
malec October 3rd, 2005, 01:58 PM I doubt that.
I know that when they released these originally they we very cheap. The garden home I think, cost a bit more than $300,000 I think so what you're refering to is probably the original price. They've gone up a hell of a lot since then
Dubai-Lover October 3rd, 2005, 03:05 PM http://www.stratus2.net/Image(048).jpg
by al million.
taken from 40th floor of marina heights tower (UC/ 207m)
in 2 years there is no more palm view from this tower
between the two under c on the left and right, 2 more towers will be built. one of them is the world's tallest residential tower with more than 400m (VIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEW! :eek: ), the other one a 220m tower, maybe more, not sure. and between the front row and this tower here another 345m high-tech tower will be built, called the torch
this cluster will rock big time, unfortunately not all will have unblocked sea and palm jumeirah views
malec October 3rd, 2005, 03:36 PM Vive le tallest block ;)
The good thing is that the towers which don't have sea views will have good marina views which is probably better.
Aboveday October 3rd, 2005, 05:20 PM I want to see this project in google earth...
malec October 3rd, 2005, 05:25 PM Google earth's images are about 5 years out of date for this city ;)
AltinD October 5th, 2005, 04:44 PM The Donald is comming: :runaway:
http://www.ameinfo.com/69405.html
Full Article version:
Donald Trump and Nakheel join forces
Nakheel, the UAE's premier property developer, and The Trump Organization have entered into an exclusive joint venture to develop extensive real estate offerings throughout the Middle East.
http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/4/18354-trump.jpg
Mr. Sultan together with Donald Trump.
The largest privately held company in New York, the Trump Organization is one of the world's leading real estate developers, with an estimated revenue of US $10.4 billion in 2004, and 22,000 employees. The Trump Organization has an extensive portfolio of properties including the renowned Fifth Avenue skyscraper, Trump Tower, luxury residential buildings Trump Palace - the tallest building on Manhattan's East Side - and The Trump International Hotel and Tower in New York, which is one of only three hotels in the USA to have received a double Mobil Five-Star rating for both the hotel and its restaurant Jean-Georges. Donald Trump, the company's Chairman and President, is recognised as one of the world's most successful businessmen and real estate developers, as well as developing and starring in the number 1 hit TV show The Apprentice.
Working in partnership with Nakheel, The Trump Organization's first developments will take place on Nakheel's signature development The Palm, Jumeirah. Following on from the successes of New York's The Trump International Hotel and Tower, the Condé Naste Traveller "Hotel of the Year 2004", the first project to be developed will be The Palm Trump International Hotel and Tower. It will provide a spectacular luxury centerpiece hotel on The Golden Mile - the exclusive residential and retail boulevard on the trunk of The Palm, Jumeirah. In addition to The Palm, The Trump Organisation will also be launching a development on Nakheel's other signature development, The World.
In total 17 names and brands have been secured, including The Trump Plaza and Marina Residences, Residences at Trump Tower and Trump World Tower. The Trump Organisation, as well as investing in the projects, will co-ordinate all sales, operate the hotels and manage each real estate development, as well as offering their unique concierge service Trump Touch.
Donald Trump said, 'We anticipate a long-term relationship between The Trump Organization and Nakheel that will involve direct investment, sales and marketing, and management.'
Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem, Executive Chairman, Nakheel, commented, 'The Trump signature brand is synonymous with the most prestigious properties in the world, and we embrace his interest in working together. This is the first time that The Trump Organization has invested in real estate development in the Middle East. This illustrates the present level of confidence in both Dubai and Nakheel's developments. We look forward to working with The Trump Organization - a world class operation who shares our commitment to excellence."
Donald Trump commented, 'The partnership with Nakheel represents an unprecedented mega-opportunity for us with the increasing popularity of the Trump brand on a global basis. Dubai has proven to be an economic anchor, an engine for growth and tourism in the Middle East. We have found a partner in Nakheel that shares with us the importance of vision and providing the highest quality in every undertaking.'
Sultan Ahmed Bin Sulayem added, "The Palm, Jumeirah has been an international success with buyers from more than 70 countries and extensive global coverage. The existing residential components on The Palm, Jumeirah, including hotels, condominiums, villas and townhouses, have already sold out. The Trump properties and others will offer additional opportunities for investment in the region's fastest growing tourist destination."
Mr. Trump negotiated the transaction with Mr. Bin Sulayem, assisted by Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump.
With 14 major developments in its portfolio, Nakheel, the Middle East's premier property developer, is a key player in building H.H. Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum's vision of Dubai: creating a world class destination for business and tourism.
dubaiflo October 5th, 2005, 05:39 PM this should be the new centrepiece of the palm jum which can be seen here:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4974/palmjumeirah0va.jpg
AltinD October 5th, 2005, 06:46 PM A better render of The Palm Trump International Hotel And Towers:
http://www.tradearabia.com/source/2005-10/05/trump.jpg
From what we have heard, it would be a 80F 350 - 360 m tall.
Dubai-Lover October 5th, 2005, 06:47 PM ok, breaking news from tonight
it definitely is a trump tower, this one replaces the old cancelled 750m the pinnacle on the trunk of palm jumeirah
the tower will be called THE PALM TRUMP INTERNATIONAL HOTEL & TOWER
we have the info it'll be 80 storeys, but in the renders and models it looks like a 30 storey tower
we have to wait for that
ch1le October 5th, 2005, 07:56 PM thats quite a building, but TOO FAT!
malec October 5th, 2005, 07:57 PM Look like the Trump cancer's spreading ;)
BTW I think it'll be a lot thinner in real life
smussuw October 5th, 2005, 08:29 PM How much did they pay him to build the tower in the palm ? :lol:
ch1le October 5th, 2005, 10:13 PM yeah on that render, if its 300m plus it is just mega wide.. and who would like to have a hotel room with no windows!
dubaiflo October 5th, 2005, 10:38 PM maybe the leaves will be glass!
AltinD October 6th, 2005, 10:48 AM Of course it will made of glass, what do you think it will be: metal wall?
Imperfect Ending October 6th, 2005, 11:59 AM ^^
Thats possible
dubaiflo October 6th, 2005, 02:05 PM altin don't be so rude you got me wrong.
what i mean is that the outer part/the leaves will not be connected to the actual building and just a glass structure, similar to the proposed dubai pearl designs if you remember.
i thought ch1le meant there will be a lot of room with no windows
because the outer part (the leaves) but he was actually talking about
how wide the building is and that's why there won't be much space for windows in small hotel rooms for example.
Manu84 October 6th, 2005, 07:50 PM A better render of The Palm Trump International Hotel And Towers:
http://www.tradearabia.com/source/2005-10/05/trump.jpg
From what we have heard, it would be a 80F 350 - 360 m tall.
one dream tower more :)
TallBox October 6th, 2005, 08:20 PM at 360m tall, it's too fat
luv2bebrown October 6th, 2005, 08:28 PM i dont like this tower. it looks like it belongs in safa or mushrif park
909 October 6th, 2005, 08:41 PM Sorry, but that is the most ugly tower i've seen.
FM 2258 October 6th, 2005, 08:58 PM ok, breaking news from tonight
it definitely is a trump tower, this one replaces the old cancelled 750m the pinnacle on the trunk of palm jumeirah
the tower will be called THE PALM TRUMP INTERNATIONAL HOTEL & TOWER
we have the info it'll be 80 storeys, but in the renders and models it looks like a 30 storey tower
we have to wait for that
So this trump thing is going to replace this? :
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid130/p88c24373566bf925f170308886430ebe/f7b9de1f.jpg
http://www.dubaiwaterfront.ae/gfx/al_burj.jpg
http://img204.echo.cx/img204/6735/alburjatnight32mu.jpg
If so, I'm very very sad. :(
TallBox October 6th, 2005, 09:03 PM Wow.... I didn't like the Palm Jumeirah (old design) before... having seen the pics in the post above, I'm somewhat disappointed that it's not going to be built.
malec October 6th, 2005, 09:12 PM So this trump thing is going to replace this? :
:(
Nope ;)
That was the pinnacle which was renamed al-burj and moved to the waterfront and to be honest, palm jumeirah would have looked like it was "stabbed" if it was built there (can't remember who said that :)).
Aswell, the render of the flower tower can't be right. If it's 360m it'll be way thinner and if it does end up like in the render it'll be only 150m or so.
FM 2258 October 6th, 2005, 09:30 PM Nope ;)
That was the pinnacle which was renamed al-burj and moved to the waterfront and to be honest, palm jumeirah would have looked like it was "stabbed" if it was built there (can't remember who said that :)).
Aswell, the render of the flower tower can't be right. If it's 360m it'll be way thinner and if it does end up like in the render it'll be only 150m or so.
good, I'm so very glad since al-burj is one of my all time favorite buildings. :)
This Trump tower doesn't look so bad as a concept but it needs more work.
Dubai-Lover October 6th, 2005, 09:35 PM i think all of us agree, the palm jumeirah is the only place - except any other of the 5 huge island projects - the tower fits in well
such a tower in downtown or in a cbd? no, thanks
render doesn't show too much details
shouldn't take long till the tower will be launched, probably before end of the year
design might change
malec October 7th, 2005, 03:50 AM Nakheel have been changing their minds all the time about this plot so a redesign is definitely likely, although the current design is fine. Just a little tweaking would be nice.
spicytimothy October 7th, 2005, 05:37 AM I think it's unique in a good way... Just don't like Trump (but still LOOVE his show)... I'm just glad he hasn't reached into Hong Kong yet :-D
crazyevildude October 7th, 2005, 03:42 PM i think all of us agree, the palm jumeirah is the only place - except any other of the 5 huge island projects - the tower fits in well
such a tower in downtown or in a cbd? no, thanks
render doesn't show too much details
shouldn't take long till the tower will be launched, probably before end of the year
design might change
5? 3 palms, the world and....? Excuse my ignorance here.
AltinD October 7th, 2005, 05:06 PM ^ The Dubai Waterfront (around Palm Jebel Ali).
dubaiflo October 7th, 2005, 05:46 PM http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/9387/masterplan5pz.jpg
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4876/dubaiwaterfront2tp.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4306/waterfrontcloseup8eu.jpg
dubai waterfront included al burj tower.
firulais2005 October 7th, 2005, 06:11 PM Are They Going to build all those man made islands?????????
FM 2258 October 7th, 2005, 06:27 PM ^^
That's alot of man-made islands. By the way, with all that desert and salt water around, where do they get their drinking water from? Excuse my ignorance but I didn't really know that the Arabian penninsula had big rivers flowing through it.
Skoulikimou October 7th, 2005, 07:46 PM ^^
That's alot of man-made islands. By the way, with all that desert and salt water around, where do they get their drinking water from? Excuse my ignorance but I didn't really know that the Arabian penninsula had big rivers flowing through it.
this is man made river
smussuw October 7th, 2005, 08:01 PM ^^
That's alot of man-made islands. By the way, with all that desert and salt water around, where do they get their drinking water from? Excuse my ignorance but I didn't really know that the Arabian penninsula had big rivers flowing through it.
The sea is the solution ;)
There is something called distillation
smussuw October 7th, 2005, 08:02 PM Are They Going to build all those man made islands?????????
yes
firulais2005 October 7th, 2005, 08:22 PM how long is it going to take?
Dubai-Lover October 7th, 2005, 08:37 PM palm jumeirah - 2007 (reclamation completed / construction started)
palm jebel ali - 2009 (reclamation about 70%)
palm deira - 2011 (reclamation started, about 5%)
the world - 2009 (reclamation about 80%)
dubai waterfront - 2012 (not yet started)
firulais2005 October 7th, 2005, 08:40 PM WOW HEcka Kool islands I wish I could Travel there when they are done!!!!!!!!
Dubai-Lover October 7th, 2005, 08:46 PM but that's not all!
the whole coast from the northern emirates like ras al khaimah, umm al quwain and sharjah and of course dubai, abu dhabi and on to bahrain & qatar have such projects
all the uae and bahrain & qatar will get tons of them
so far the gulf has some 20 gigantic reclamation projects under development
firulais2005 October 7th, 2005, 09:13 PM COOL MAN!
crazyevildude October 7th, 2005, 09:50 PM but that's not all!
the whole coast from the northern emirates like ras al khaimah, umm al quwain and sharjah and of course dubai, abu dhabi and on to bahrain & qatar have such projects
all the uae and bahrain & qatar will get tons of them
so far the gulf has some 20 gigantic reclamation projects under development
20?! :eek2:. I wonder if any other regions will start going for this. Obviously it'll have to be somewhere with sheltered waters that are not effected too much by the tide - No chance around the UK. But perhaps in the Med off spain and Italy or North Africa.
Quick question at the end of the Dubai waterfront, the thing that makes up the star. Is that the underwater hotel I've heard about, or something else?
Timme October 7th, 2005, 10:12 PM but that's not all!
the whole coast from the northern emirates like ras al khaimah, umm al quwain and sharjah and of course dubai, abu dhabi and on to bahrain & qatar have such projects
all the uae and bahrain & qatar will get tons of them
so far the gulf has some 20 gigantic reclamation projects under development
Really? I didn't know that untill now. I thought that teh relcemation projects around Dubai were a one of a kind project.
Do you have any information or renderings etc... of these projects because I'm getting curious.
@CrazyDevilDude:
Isn't that underwater hotel going the be a part of the Dubai Waterfront?
crazyevildude October 7th, 2005, 10:18 PM Well yeah. that star would be part of the dubai waterfront development. So I think it might well be it. If it is, it's going to be way cooler than I thought.
Aaron King October 7th, 2005, 10:34 PM I would like to visit Dubai sometime in the future, I'm Canadian, and I understand the area is friendly to westerners, but I still worry, especially because I have visited Israel and have an Israeli stamp on my passport? Anyone from Dubai have any info to sway me either way? It's a legitimate worry.
dubaiflo October 7th, 2005, 11:07 PM Really? I didn't know that untill now. I thought that teh relcemation projects around Dubai were a one of a kind project.
Do you have any information or renderings etc... of these projects because I'm getting curious.
just have a look here http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=487
well the dubai ones are most famous, as parts are already completed, and they are more iconic than the otherss (palm shape etc) and they have been the first of its kind. that's why.
but there are some really huge projects like bahrain financial harbour, reem island or stars island in the other emirates too.
Open Road October 8th, 2005, 01:35 AM I would just like to chime in and say that I have never seen a Trump tower that did not fit in with the rest of the area. Look at the variety of buildings he has constructed in new york. They vary based on neighborhood and blend in well with their surroundings while also letting everyone know that the elite of the elite are inside. I have no doubt that this building will be the same. The renders always suck, especially when they are produced before the real form of the building is known. They probably just dropped off the idea on an intern design student and said, "hey, design some sort of leaf looking thing with a bunch of glass that looks like it would be built by Trump". Of course, that pathetic intern had no idea who trump was, except that he was rich, so he made it too gold and fat. Anywho... just thought I'd chime in. BTW. Thank f*cking GOD it's Friday.
Koi October 8th, 2005, 02:03 AM These islands are amazing, but I wonder if all this would affect the natural tidal flows of the sea - thus causing damage to the marine environment.
malec October 8th, 2005, 02:20 AM These islands are amazing, but I wonder if all this would affect the natural tidal flows of the sea - thus causing damage to the marine environment.
probably
Koi October 8th, 2005, 02:43 AM I can see silt build up and pollution problems in those narrow channels...
crazyevildude October 8th, 2005, 02:44 AM ^ I don't think that area is tidal. It's like the mediterrainian, no tides. Don't know what kind of currents they have. I'm sure it'll all settle down soon enough though
malec October 8th, 2005, 02:47 AM ^^^ Exactly, it's in a closed sea, which eliminates the possibility of a huge tsunami aswell. These palms are having effects on nearby beaches though. Ask any Dubai forumer
malec October 8th, 2005, 03:04 PM Pics taken by Emir of Ketir
Hey guys, these pics were taken from the tower adjacent to American University.
http://tinypic.com/ebe7w9.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ebe81k.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ebe842.jpg
http://tinypic.com/ebe8gm.jpg
dubaiflo October 8th, 2005, 04:22 PM more NASA updates, found by ALT-TAB!
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1988/xesclargeiss010iss010e222733gd.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7096/xesclargeiss011iss011e103196po.jpg
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images/ESC/small/ISS010/ISS010-E-22273.JPG
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/images/ESC/small/ISS011/ISS011-E-10319.JPG
notice the world on the left.looks weird.
also notice dubai marina!
Aaron King October 8th, 2005, 06:42 PM does anyone find these palms a little creepy? like they look more like something else other than palms? all i see is The Predator lol, anyone? anyone? oh yeah and is the burj dubai site visible in any of the Nasa photos?
The Mad Hatter!! October 8th, 2005, 06:48 PM why is the world taking so long?
crazyevildude October 8th, 2005, 06:55 PM ^ At a guess, deeper water as it's further out and the islands all being seperate rather than connected are making it a more complicated reclaimation proccess.
Dubai-Lover October 8th, 2005, 07:04 PM it is a fact that these satellite images are from the stoneage
you need a monthly update for dubai
the world is almost completely reclaimed
again the overview
palm jumeirah - 2007 (reclamation completed / construction started)
palm jebel ali - 2009 (reclamation about 70%)
palm deira - 2011 (reclamation started, about 5%)
the world - 2009 (reclamation about 80%)
dubai waterfront - 2012 (not yet started)
crazyevildude October 8th, 2005, 07:08 PM Cool - cheers D-L.
Just to ask again, is the star off the end of Dubai Waterfront, is that the underwater hotel that's been proposed or something else?
dubaiflo October 8th, 2005, 09:00 PM we don't know exactly. latest information says it is still of the dubai marina coast.
http://tinypic.com/efgy88.jpg
another stunning panorama
Aaron King October 8th, 2005, 10:49 PM no one thinks they look creepy?
firulais2005 October 8th, 2005, 11:13 PM Not Really, They are cool
dubaiflo October 9th, 2005, 02:04 AM ok sorry this is sooo off topic but it shows all the people out there that Dubai does NOT depend on oil!! and i am sooo glad smussuw found this that i wanted to show it everywhere :D
http://tinypic.com/dqro9k.jpg
i hope this all satisfies the people who say.. uh if the oil runs out... :lol:
Dubai-Lover October 18th, 2005, 02:12 PM BIGGEST NEWS OF THE YEAR!!!!
finally we have a first list of confirmed hotels
Premier international hotel brands to locate on The Palm, Jumeirah
Nakheel, Dubai's premier property developer, today released details regarding hotel developments on its signature development, The Palm, Jumeirah.
http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/0/18650-palm.jpg
The Palm, Jumeirah.
Following the announcement earlier this week of plans for The Palm Trump International Hotel and Tower - the first joint investment project between Nakheel and The Trump Organisation and a landmark building at the centre of the trunk of The Palm, Jumeirah - Nakheel today announced that more than 25 of the top international hotel brands will be located on the development, providing a wide variety of beachfront resorts and greatly enhancing Dubai's tourism offer.
Confirmed hotels include world-famous brands, Movenpick, Anantara, Fairmont, Radisson SAS, Hilton, Metropolitan, Shangri La, One and Only, and Atlantis, who will be creating a water-theme park hotel resort at the centre of the Crescent. Other key brands currently in serious discussions with Nakheel to locate on the development include Starwood, Marriott, Oberoi, Chedi, Taj, and Dusit.
James Wilson, Chief Executive Officer, Nakheel, said: 'We have attracted many of the most respected hotel brands in the world, ensuring that The Palm, Jumeirah will be one of the world's finest tourism destinations, a mega-resort and landmark attraction. These hotels will attract hundreds of thousands of visitors a year, playing a key role in Dubai's tourism offer'
Dubai is one of the fastest growing tourism destinations in the world, with visitor numbers almost doubling in the last five years. In 2004 its hotel industry played host to a record 5.42 million guests in 371 hotels. The impressive year on year growth is the result of the Government's proactive policy of cooperation and support to the private sector, the implementation of a well envisioned strategy, an impressive and varied tourism offer, and key infrastructure developments.
'One of Dubai's key attractions is its natural assets of year-round sun and beautiful beaches' James Wilson continues. 'However, due to our small amount of natural beachfront, there are currently only approximately 20 hotels with beach access. The Palm, Jumeirah will add approximately 30 such hotels. There will be over 12,000 hotel rooms and 2,500 serviced apartments situated on the island in a wide range of hospitality types from elite luxury resorts to family resorts and health and spa resorts.'
Construction will commence on all hotels shortly, James Wilson confirmed: 'We are implementing strict development timetables and will be ensuring all hotel developers on The Palm, Jumeirah commence construction within six months to ensure that all construction works are minimised on the island when residents move into their villas and apartments at the end of 2006.'
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