Best Eurpean skyscraper

[Lausanne]

Has this poll already been done ?

[Monkey]

No, but it's pretty obvious that SwissRe would win.

[Lausanne]

I agree but it would be very interesting to know what skyscrapers would be proposed and which ones will get the second, third, fourth and fifth places.

I propose this for next poll.

[DonQui]

I don't know about SwissRe. Yes, it has a very innovative design, but the whole glass-based skyscraper concept is getting to be tiring. I am begining to like older skyscrapers more. Yes, they may not be as tall, but they have a classic look that the modern ones just do not.

[TallBox]

1. Swiss Re
2. Messeturm
3. everything else

[DiggerD21]

1. Swiss Re (London)
http://archrecord.construction.com/projects/portfolio/archives/images/0406swissRe.jpg

2. Messeturm (Frankfurt)
http://www.snp-ing.de/messeturm-2.jpg

3. Deutsche Bank Twin Towers (Frankfurt)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/f/f5/225px-Deutsche-Bank-Frankfurt-am-Main.jpg

or Commerzbank Tower (Frankfurt)
http://www.hohpe.com/Gregor/Travel/2000/Frankfurt/Downtown/Commerzbank.jpg

4. La Grande Arche (Paris - La Défense)
http://www.rockwool.com/graphics/RW-SK/2003/tlacove_spravy/La-Grande-Arche.jpg

[Monkey]

1. SwissRe (London)
2. Tower 42 (London)
3. Commerzbank (Frankfurt)

[Medo]

1. Swiss Re
2. HSBC Tower (CW,London)
3. Messeturm
4. One Canada Square.
5. Commerzbank
.
.
.
.
100. Torre Agbar (Barcelona)

[Þróndeimr]

1) Torre Agbar, Barcelona
2) Swiss RE, London
3) Hansabanka Central Office, Riga

[Joshapd]

Swiss RE is ugly IMO
1. Messeturm!

[Jakob]

1. No. 1 West India Quay, London UK

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/622/9wiq.jpg

2. Warsaw Trade Tower, Warsaw Poland

http://www.bsh.pl/pages/photos/WARSAW%20TRADE%20TOWER.jpg

3. Is Bank Tower, Istanbul Turkey

http://dunyaturk.com/tr34/jedi_birol_iskulesi1.jpg

4. DZ-Bank, Frankfurt Germany

http://www.kpf.com/images/Projects/dg_bank/579_5005az.jpg

5. Main Tower, Frankfurt Germany

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/627/1856310801_155350_m_02_mai.jpg

[Desven]

Messeturm is definitaly the best!
1.Messeturm,Frankfurt
http://www.lexikon-definition.de/images/de/5/53/Messeturm_gross.jpg
2.Commerzbank,Frankfurt
http://www.rubinetteriestella.it/foto/Foster/Commerzbank.jpg
3.Westend 1(DZ-Bank),Frankfurt
http://www.globalgeografia.com/album/germania/frankfurt5.jpg

[Lausanne]

Could you post the pictures of your nominates for the final poll please

[B@dGuYoM]

In no order
Swiss RE : London
HSBC : London
Tour EDF : La défense
Tour TOTAL/ELF : La défense
Tour Montparnasse : Paris

[blue_warsaw]

for me

Commerzbank Tower (Frankfurt)

[Koniaczeq]

In the future Rondo 1 Warsaw

[The Mad Hatter!!]

COMMERZBANK

[Basel_United]

Commerzbank

[birminghamculture]

1. Swiss RE, London

http://www.navisworks.com/images/Swiss_Re_night_visualization.png

2. Messeturm, Frankfurt

http://www.tishmanspeyer.com/about/images/MESSETURM.gif

3. Tower 42, London

http://is.freefoto.com/images_d/04/01/04_01_55_web.jpg

4. Millenium Eye, London

http://www.indulgencecharters.co.uk/images/london-eye-sunset.jpg

5. Commerzbank, Frankfurt

http://www.rubinetteriestella.it/foto/Foster/Commerzbank.jpg

[Meditt]

I don't know about SwissRe. Yes, it has a very innovative design, but the whole glass-based skyscraper concept is getting to be tiring. I am begining to like older skyscrapers more. Yes, they may not be as tall, but they have a classic look that the modern ones just do not.

if you find that the whole reflecting glass thing is getting to be tiring then it means they have already become classicks... which puts them on the same category that the old ones -which are classicks too- have acquired...
if both are already exhausted models, both should deserve the adjective "classic"...
though still there are things gettin' built around the world that deserve attention, like the Agbar, that are quite far of being a copycat of the 80's corporative, ugly and dull towers... (and where the glass is used in a different way than the typical, anonymously silent and repetitive curtain wall..)

[Imperial]

1.Commerzbank, Frankfurt
2. Swiss RE, London
3.Warsaw Trade Tower, Warsaw
4.Messeturm, Frankfurt
5.Main Tower, Frankfurt

BUT in future RONDO 1, Warsaw obviously

http://www.sky.s64.pl/home/Plany/rondo01.jpg

[Arpels]

messeturm is the best ;)

[THINKER]

3 future dancing towers in Milan:
http://tinypic.com/1orcll

[Kika]

Towers already built (the choice is quite difficult!):

Messeturm, Frankfurt
Tours Société Générale, Paris
Swiss Re Tower, London
Torre Hotel Arts, Barcelona
Torre Picasso, Madrid
Tour EDF, Paris

Towers under construction:

Torre Cristal (250 m), Madrid
Torre Espacio (223 m), Madrid
Turning Torso (190 m), Malmö
Torre Vallehermoso (215 m), Madrid
Torre Agbar (144 m), Barcelona
Torre Repsol YPF (250 m), Madrid

[Turbosnail]

Messeturm
One Canada Square
Tours Societe Generale

[DamienK]

Same as you Turbosnail, but I also like the Swiss Re and Commerzbank Tower by Foster. They have lots of natural lighting inside, are environmentally friendly and also have wacky and distinctive designs.

Those dancing twisting towers look cool! I see that the middle one needed a "spine" for the elevators/support (seen in other renderings). It kind of spoils the effect though.

[TallBox]

in the future...

1. London Bridge Tower, London
2. Minerva, London (if built :()
3. the first 'dancing' tower in the left of that pic posted, Milan
4. Swiss Re, London
5. Tower 1, Frankfurt

[Barsby]

Swiss RE is ugly IMO
1. Messeturm!

yeh swiss re doesnt do it for me either, looks like a giant tampon

[Küsel]

For me:

Swiss Re, London
Grand Arc, Paris
Messeturm, Frankfurt
Lloyds, London
http://www.origin360.com/travel/img/england/london/lloyds_of_london_building.jpg
And don't forget the soon to be finnished Turning Torso, Malmo:
http://www.astud.chalmers.se/liswan97/high_structures/bilder/malmo/turning1.gif
And STALIN'S 7 SISTERS! Two examples:
http://home.planet.nl/~slim/russia/images-moscow/img_0473.jpg
http://www.sandblast.com/sb_images/sb_moscow/moscpix/p4/DSCN0080.jpg

[werner10]

Name: Millenniumtoren
Location: Rotterdam
Fuction: Office
Height: 132.00 meter
Year: 2000
Architect: WZMH Architects & AGS Architekten & Planners

Source: Jan
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/database/buildings.01/1448.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/database/buildings/27.jpg



Also a very nice is this one:

Name: Hoftoren (Ministerie van Onderwijs, Cultuur en Wetenschappen)
Location: The Hague
Functie: Office
Heigt: 142.00 meter
Oplevering: 2003
Architect: Kohn Pedersen Fox

pic from kpf
http://www.kpf.com/images/Projects/de_hoftoren/268_5015z.jpg

pic from jan
http://207.44.228.232/images/B01/1873.jpg

[www.sercan.de]

Swiess Re
Messe

i hope in the future the Diamond of Istanbul
http://www.arkitera.com/forum/attachment.php?postid=13433

[capslock]

I'm afraid that LBT in London will blow all of these out of the water!

Got it's first tennent signed up this week (the Hotel component) so construction (or demolition works anyway) should start this year

[grenoblecity]

Tour Cbx:
http://www.kpf.com/images/Projects/CBX/n1290_2102z.jpg
Isbank
Torre agbar

[markus1234]

best in the world

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20050126/capt.sge.exj45.260105155657.photo00.photo.default-232x384.jpg

and his little brother...best in europe...

http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~mm21318/WAWdawn.jpg

[Speakerbox]

This still one of my favourites, The Hyatt Hotel in Birmingham.

http://spaceweb.oulu.fi/~petri/Hyatt.jpg

[Manuel]

3 future dancing towers in Milan:
http://tinypic.com/1orcll

Once finished, they'll be among the finest for sure !
The one on the right is just fantastic ! Lucky Milan.

[Kika]

Once finished, they'll be among the finest for sure !
The one on the right is just fantastic ! Lucky Milan.

The twisted one from the left looks even better to me! Is this project now approved? If yes, do we know when will they sart building them?

A+ Manuel

:)

[BOLSCHOI]

Guys , this is a thread about Best Eurpean skyscraper now and not in the future :D

In future moscow:
http://www.shca.com/images/content/archive/moscow-02.jpg
http://www.miraxcity.com/ru/images_temp/1/4_big.jpg?from=7211000.ru
http://www.archlab.ru/federation.jpg

[Singidunum]

are you all blind or what? :D this one is unbeatable
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/10/15/yugoslavia.nettleton/long.genex.cnn.jpg

[Finance Guy]

are you all blind or what? :D this one is unbeatable
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/10/15/yugoslavia.nettleton/long.genex.cnn.jpg

true that... the best in the world....

more seriously...
1 west india quay
DZ bank
Deutsche Bank
total/elf
canada square
tower 42 (what can i say, modernism rocks...)
and messeturm



but sorry, swiss re really looks like a massive suppository

[Kuvvaci]

All of them are beautiful

[Scraperlover]

Turning Torso, Malmö

[vytux]

are you all blind or what? :D this one is unbeatable
http://edition.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/10/15/yugoslavia.nettleton/long.genex.cnn.jpg

Best one in europe ... to demolish :D

[SoboleuS]

My favourites are:
Commerzbank
Messeturm
One Canada Square
Le Grande Arche
Moscow State University
Palace of Culture & Science
Warsaw Financial Center
Europa Tower (Vilnius)
Saules Akmens (Riga)
Turning Torso (Malmo)

[Madman]

EDF
Messeturm
Swiss Re
Lomonosov State University
Turning Torso
Palace of Culture and Science
HSBC Tower, LDN

[skythomas]

EDF
Commerzbank
Société Générale
Turnring Torso
Total
CBX
GAN Eurocourtage
Swiss Re

[Accura4Matalan]

Messeturm, Frankfurt
1 Churchill Place, London
ECB, Frankfurt
Swiss Re, London
Potdamer Platz, Berlin

In the future...
London Bridge Tower, London
Millenium Tower, Frankfurt
Quay Point, Manchester
The dancing towers in Milan
Eastgate, Manchester

[Desven]

Potdamer Platz, Berlin

that's not skyscraper,it's a place with 5 skyscrapers :)

which of them do u mean?

Debis Tower
http://home.t-online.de/home/wleonhard/hhkart_2/berdebis.jpg

Bahn Tower(Sony Center)
http://home.t-online.de/home/wleonhard/hhkart_2/berbahnt.jpg

Daimler-Chrysler Center
http://home.t-online.de/home/wleonhard/hhkart_2/berdaiml.jpg

the 2 towers of Beisheim-Center
http://home.t-online.de/home/wleonhard/hhkart_2/berritzc.jpg

[Turbosnail]

Guys , this is a thread about Best Eurpean skyscraper now and not in the future :D
So why go ahead and post future ones as well? :bash:

[samsonyuen]

Lloyds, London
Commerzbank, Frankfurt
Gherkin, London
Grande Arche, Paris

[ch1le]

id say Hansabank central office in Riga (Saules Akmens)

[John]

My 3 favorite

1. Swiss Re, London
2. 8 Canada Square (HSBC), London
3. Turning Torso, Malmo

[Bitxofo]

My three:

1. Torre Agbar, Barcelona.
2. La Grand Arche, Paris.
3. Turning Torso, Malmö.

David (DavoR for my friends) ;)

[DetoX]

Rondo 1 u/c (Warsaw):

http://hometown.aol.de/Morgisz/images/Rondo_01.jpg


http://hometown.aol.de/Morgisz/images/Rondo_02.jpg

[Pas]

some of my fav'

Swiss Re, London
HSBC building, London
Le Grand Arche, Paris
Main Tower, Frankfurt
Commerzbank, Frankfurt
Bahn Tower, Berlin
Post Tower, Bonn
National Netherlanden, Rotterdam
Puerta de Europa towers, Madrid
Barcelona Telecom tower
Torre Agbar, Barcelona
Hotel Arts, Barcelona
Turning Torso, Malmo

future skyscrapers
------
London Bridge Tower, London
Federation Complex, Moscow
Torre Mutua Madrileña, Madrid
Torre Espacio, Madrid

[Mekky II]

So elegant Turning Torso...

http://i2.pbase.com/u42/mistermattias/upload/39611464.Turning.jpg

[Wssps]

I don't like swiss-re at al, messe turm is nice and the commerzbank, I also like
'Gebouw Delftse Poort' , Rotterdam

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=111167

[New York Yankee]

1. WPC World Port Center Rotterdam:
http://207.44.228.232/images/B00/24.jpg
http://207.44.228.232/images/B00/220.jpg

2. Swiss-Re London:
http://www.navisworks.com/images/Swiss_Re_night_visualization.png

3. deutsch bank twins franfurt
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/thumb/f/f5/225px-Deutsche-Bank-Frankfurt-am-Main.jpg

[Sonic from Padova]

Tour Montparnasse : Paris

:puke:

this one is like the shit of my cat!! :sleepy:

[empersouf]

I don't like teh SwissRe, and I don't think it would win too.
I would say the five tallest of Frankfurt are the top 5 of Europe. But some towers in Vienna, the Turning Torso and the future Madrid supertalls would create a new list, also the 2 300+ of London.

[www.sercan.de]

Swiess Re
Messe

i hope in the future the Diamond of Istanbul
http://www.arkitera.com/forum/attachment.php?postid=13433
new maquette
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/6938/farmirrsmoku3yo.jpg

[empersouf]

^^^^
The best one till now. The first time that you can see it very good.

Are there any construction updates of it yet btw?

[Peyre]

I don't like teh SwissRe, and I don't think it would win too.
I would say the five tallest of Frankfurt are the top 5 of Europe. But some towers in Vienna, the Turning Torso and the future Madrid supertalls would create a new list, also the 2 300+ of London.

interesting that many find taller=better.

[eddyk]

Me, My fave has always been....1 Canada Square...I just love the cladding.

http://skyline.250free.com/HPIM0763.JPG
http://skyline.250free.com/HPIM1035.JPG
http://skyline.250free.com/HPIM1038.JPG
http://skyline.250free.com/HPIM0765.JPG
NightSky Took These Pics

Swiss RE, Its not to say I dont like it, Its just Ive sort of gotten sick of seeing it everywhere, Like a song you really like, you listen to it over and over again untill you cant stand it anymore and start to hate it.

[empersouf]

I made this thread with a poll too one year ago:p

[empersouf]

@Peyre the top 5 tallest are not the tallest in Europe, Like the DB Bank and Main Tower aren't the tallest of europe. But I like these towers which dominate Frankfurts skyline teh most, and I'm not german or something, I just think they are the most beautifull.

[[Kees]]

Westend Straße for me! :cheers:

http://www.globalgeografia.com/album/germania/frankfurt5.jpg

[I-275westcoastfl]

1.Warsaw Trade Tower, Warsaw
2.Cultural Palace, Warsaw :cheers1:
3.Rondo 1, Warsaw
4.Comerzbank, Frankfurt
5.Swiss Re, London
That la defense is ugly :puke:

[Jakob]

1. No. 1 West India Quay, London UK

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/622/9wiq.jpg

2. Warsaw Trade Tower, Warsaw Poland

http://www.bsh.pl/pages/photos/WARSAW%20TRADE%20TOWER.jpg

3. Is Bank Tower, Istanbul Turkey

http://dunyaturk.com/tr34/jedi_birol_iskulesi1.jpg

4. DZ-Bank, Frankfurt Germany

http://www.kpf.com/images/Projects/dg_bank/579_5005az.jpg

5. Main Tower, Frankfurt Germany

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/627/1856310801_155350_m_02_mai.jpg


Anyone agrees? =)

[staff]

Turning Torso, Malmö and SwissRe, London. There is atually no competition.

[empersouf]

SwissRe sucks imho.

[marka971]

What about this one? The Turning Torso in Malmö, Sweden
http://img210.echo.cx/img210/3208/dsc007336wd.jpg

[marka971]

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/5828/dsc007348ck.jpg
http://81.216.194.14/markus/Turning%20Torso/images/dsc00738.jpg

[Monkey]

^ The design is highly original and creative, but it seems a bit "thin" - looks like it might topple over. Also, I think it would look better as part of a cluster.

[eddyk]

Yeah in the last pic it does look like its falling over.

And it does look stupid on its own....any tall buildings planned for the area around it.

[Jerv]

1. Commerzbank
2. HSBC
3. Pirelli, Milan/ Alpha, Birmingham
4. Turning Torso
5. Millenium Tower, Vienna

Generally, European Skyscrapers have miles to go to better NA and Asian Skyscrapers.

[empersouf]

@ eddyk: no

Jerv, why do you think that? Because Asian and NA are higher? Or something else?

[eievar]

1 - Commerzbank - Frankfurt
2 - Messeturm - Frankfurt
3 - Swiss RE - London

[Jerv]

@ eddyk: no

Jerv, why do you think that? Because Asian and NA are higher? Or something else?

Not because of height. I think asian skyscrapers have more daring designs. Europeans are more reserved in terms of architecture. American ones (especially Chicago and NY) are just classy. Way ahead of europe chronologically speaking, in the 60's, 70's and 80's (look at John Hancock centre, Trans America pyramid etc). Granted, I'm not so fond of the newer NA skyscrapers.

[ManchesterISwonderful]

What about this one? The Turning Torso in Malmö, Sweden
http://img210.echo.cx/img210/3208/dsc007336wd.jpg


Just decided. . . that is my fav.

[Arpels]

1. Swiss Re - London
2. Mass Turm -Frankfurt
3. DZ Bank - Frankfurt
4. 1 Canada Square - London
5. Turnig torso - Malmo

[Don Pacho]

I go for the Turning Torso as well

some amazing building...

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/5828/dsc007348ck.jpg

:)

[Jakob]

I go for the Turning Torso as well

some amazing building...

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/5828/dsc007348ck.jpg

:)

Those bars in front of the windows are awful! =(

[staff]

Nothing about America is classy. There are cool scrapers though.

[New York Yankee]

Has this poll already been done ?

where is the poll? this is only a question.

[New York Yankee]

1. World port Center, Rotterdam
2. swiss-re, London
3. turning torso, malmo

[Effer]

Swiss-Re

[cello1974]

Messeturm in Frankfurt and Swiss Re in London! Turning Torso is great also!!!

[christophe]

1- Agbar, Barca
2- Torso, Malmo
3- lloyds, London

Somewhere someone was amused at the fact people tend to go for the highest when asked the about the best. That's intriging to me as well.

The gerkhin is interesting but decided upon after Agbar. It lacks the originality of the cladding that Agbar brings to architecture. Frankfurt is .... well no comment. Paris has some intersting ideas, but they never express them fully. Look at EDF, the height-width ratio is intersting but could have been pushed further. Same goes with la grande arche, too boxy in perspective. Warsaw could figure in my prefered ones as well with the culture palace which is a monument to soviet era architecture, hopefully no-one will make the foly of bringing it down.

[[Kees]]

Westend Straße, Frankfurt.

[schreiwalker]

I'd say...

1. turning torso (amazing)
2. hansabank in riga
3. deutsche bank in frankfurt

I can't make up my mind about swiss re. seems like they kind of stole the idea from agbar. Though I'll admit that it looks better than agbar

[Hviid]

I defidentally say the Turning Torso! The love the picture staff took of it! :D
http://web.telia.com/~u40113619/tt-malmo/DSCN0674.jpg

[elliot]

Forgive the tangent but I'd like to cast a vote for best European (and top ten internationally) skyscraper built between 2005 aND 2010:

London Bridge Tower.

[wjfox]

^ Yes, and also 122 Leadenhall:



http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/122leadenhall/1.jpg




... and the Bishopsgate Tower:

(the white model)


http://www.willfox.com/images/skyscrapers/bishopsgatetower/3.jpg

[staff]

Europe has great scrapers. The best one is actually one of the most spectacular in the world and it is the twisting vista of Turning Torso, Malmö.
http://web.telia.com/~u40113619/tt-malmo/DSCN0706.jpg

[MoreOrLess]

What is considered the minium height for a skyscaper here? If there within the definition then most of the best skyscapers in europe would be from the 19th or early 20th century for me, the old Midland Grand hotel in London being my favourite.

[Messe Turm]

Messe Turm, I love it!
And I also think that top 5 (well, maybe top 3) are in Frankfurt.

[Eric Offereins]

^^ With your name that is no surprise ;)
I really love Turning Torso and Swiss Re. Third comes Hoftoren in the Hague. :)

[Zargyle]

Kronen Hochhaus- Frankfurt, Germany

http://ling.uta.edu/~laurel/skyscraper.jpg

MesseTurm- Frankfurt, Germany

http://mk29.image.pbase.com/u33/skipy2001/large/21486938.messeturm2.jpg

Warsaw Trade Tower- Warsaw, Poland
http://www.muratorplus.pl/images/38_1xx.jpg

ARAG Tower- Dusseldorf, Germany

http://www.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/upload/powerhouse_typepicture/519/picturehigh/project553_high.jpg

Bahn Tower, Debis Tower, and Potsdamer Platz 1- Berlin, Germany

http://www.markovic.org/image/homeless/PotsdamerPlatz.jpg

1 Canada Square- London, United Kingdom

http://www.lmc.ep.usp.br/People/Valdir/imagens/onecanada01.jpg

25 Canada Square- London, United Kingdom

http://www.mpga.co.uk/images/citigroup2-01.jpg

No. 1 West India Quay- London, United Kingdom

http://doska.co.uk/uploads/post-2316-1108569074.jpg

[kids]

1 - 1 canada square, london
2 - Turnig torso, malmo
3 - cis, manchester
4 -hsbc, london
5 - world port Center, rotterdam

FUTURE!!

beetham, manchester
minerva, london
1 hardman square, manchester

[flatiron94]

What about this one? The Turning Torso in Malmö, Sweden
http://img210.echo.cx/img210/3208/dsc007336wd.jpg
Now thats awesome. I like how it makes you think its falling over.

[SGoico]

1) Turning Torso
2) Torre Agbar
3) La Grande Arche

[tootshibbard]

Nothing about America is classy. There are cool scrapers though.



Ah, more chauvinistic ignorance on display. Your only displaying your own insecurities and prejudices friend.