S&B stuff that moves on rails

[Oberleutnant]

So, if you have info and pictures about the trains and metros (not trams this time) used by your country, put them here, but be sensible with the number of pics you're going to use.

[Estboy]

everything here (http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/estonia.html)

[jimm]

Estboy gave a good link.

[Oberleutnant]

Thx, for the link.



Trains used by VR, the state-owned Finnish railway company


Italian-made S220 "Pendolino" tilting trains, which serve the largest cities. They've had some realiability problems with them ever since they were taken to service in mid 1990s, and it was at one point considered to purchase Swedish X2000. It was, however, argued that X2000 uses older technology. Nowadays Pendolinos should be slightly more reliable than when they first appeared on railway tracks here.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fi/electric/emu/Sm3-S220/VR_S220_pendolino_Helsinki.jpg








The most numerous locomotive nowadays, used with Intercity trains and some cargo trains

http://vaunut.1g.fi/org/11492.jpg


With double decker Intercity coaches in the tow

http://vaunut.1g.fi/org/11158.jpg











The old diesel locomotive and regional coaches, primarily used on tracks in remote parts of the country which are not electrified.

http://vaunut.1g.fi/org/11449.jpg



>> and their replacement, Czech-made DM12 that is entering service at the moment

http://jpl.yi.org/dm12/dm12_a.jpg







SM4 commuter train

http://jno.1g.fi/Image82.jpg




And their older cousin

http://vaunut.1g.fi/org/11562.jpg

[NorthStar77]

Great idea for a thread Ober! :)

For a huge gallery of trains, both new and historical, from Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Greece, click here(text in norwegian): http://www.jernbane.net/galleri.asp

Metro trains in Oslo

T1-T4 ("East-stock"):
Type Year of delivery
T1 1966
T2 1970
T3 1972
T4 1976/1978

Length : 17,00 metres
Width : 3,20 metres
Height : 3,65 metres
Weight : 29,74 metric tons
Maximum speed : 70 km/h
Seats : 63
Maximum no. of standing passengers : 117
http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2019.jpg


T5-T8 (class 1300):

Type Year of delivery
T5 1978
T6 1980-81
T7 1986-87
T8 1989

Length : 17,00 meter
Width : 3,20 metres
Height : 3,65 metres
Weight : 29,74 metric tons
Maximum speed : 70 km/h
Seats : 60-70
Maximum no. of standing passengers : 110-125

http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2059.jpg


T2000:
They came in the 90'ies, but was a failure, now they only serve line 1, wich is a lightrail-line, sorta.
Length : 18,00 + 18,00 metres
Width : 3,30 metres
Height : 3,65 metres
Weight : 31 + 31 metric tons
Maximum speed : 70 km/t
Seats : 60
Maximum no. of standing passengers : 125

http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2103.jpg

Some historic ones:
http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2250.jpg

http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2251.jpg

http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2253.jpg

Source: http://trikkogbane.info/cgi-bin/side.pl?id=200&lang=2

We will get new cars in 1 1/2 years though, same as the ones used on the metro in Vienna:)

[jimm]

It would be great to see freight trains, locomotives. Maybe i'll post later.

[Oberleutnant]

The authors of that site have weird concept about the word "new"


from http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/estonia/estonia_edlr.html

"Rather new (?!) class of Russian DMUs, acquired second-hand"
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ee/diesel/dmu/DR1Aa.jpg



"New diesel railbus(ses) built in Riga(Latvia)"
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/dmu/AR2/TRANS13.jpg



from http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/latvia/latvia_ldz.html

"Modern freight locomotives, nrs. L.0312 and L.5225"
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lv/steam/l_0278.jpg


:sly: :happy:

[ch1le]

the "new" ones you posted, well not new, once like 4 months ago i was in the Railay station (in tallinn) and a jaw dropper(by Baltic standards) locomotive came in, it looked rather new, im trying to find pics as we speak

[ch1le]

anyhow Estonia also has American built freight locomotives http://bensonrailphotos.com.seanic11.net/evr1530.jpg

[Ringil]

http://trikkogbane.info/bilder/2251.jpg
LOL SAS:D nice one ;)

http://www.srjmf.se/albums/album11/thm008_P9050200.jpg
Lennakatten, takes the city folks out from the city in the summer.It takes you out to diffirent lakes.

[Laurijs]

In Latvia...

Passenger/Freight locomotive
Most popular

Freight locomotive 2M62U
Speed 100km/h
Weight 2x126 t
Power 2x1270 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/2m62ul.jpg

Freight locomotive 2M62
Speed 100km/h
Weight 2x120 t
Power 2x1270 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/2m62l.jpg

Passenger/Freight locomotive M62
Speed 100km/h
Weight 119 t
Power 1270 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/m62l.jpg

Freight locomotive 2TE10M
Speed 100km/h
Weight 2x138 t
Power 2x2200 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/2te10ml.jpg

Passenger locomotive TEP70
Speed 160km/h
Weight 129 t
Power 2900 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/tep70l.jpg




Diesel-Engine Trains

Passenger Diesel-Engine Train DR1P
Speed 120km/h
Weight 60/38 t
Power 735 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/dr1p-401-5l.jpg

Passenger Diesel-Engine Train DR1A
Speed 120km/h
Weight 60/38 t
Power 735 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/dr1a_1l.jpg

http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/dr1a_2l.jpg

Passenger Diesel-Engine Train DR1AM
Speed 120km/h
Weight 59/36 t
Power 745 kW
motor wagon
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/dr1am_1l.jpg
control wagon
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/dr1am-267al.jpg




Passenger Electric Train
3 kV D.C.

Passenger Electric Train ER2
Speed 130km/h
Weight 41/55 t
Power 800 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/er2_1l.jpg

http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/er2_3l.jpg

http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/er2_4l.jpg

Passenger Electric Train ER2T
Speed 130km/h
Weight 42/57 t
Power 940 kW
http://www.ldz.lv/bildes/er2tl.jpg


more in english...
http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/latvia/latvia_ldz.html

[mlm]

We have 2 large passenger train operators in Denmark, the huge old one DSB, and Arriva. There's also a number of smaller railtracks with locally owned trains, but I wont show any of them now.

Lets start with Arriva.

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/arriva.gif

They operate on a number of the tracks in Jutland. They used to use some old trains of DSB, but they got new ones recently.

Class: CORADIA LINT 41
Number of sets: 29
Year in service: 2004
Max speed: 120 km/h
Power: 630 [kW]
Producer: ALSTOM, Salzgitter, Germany

(from www.arriva.dk)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/arriva1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/arriva2.jpg


Class: MR (old ones hired from DSB)
Number of sets: 15
Year in service: 1978
Max speed: 140 km/h
Power: 478 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/private/Arriva/AD_MR4099_Thisted2.jpg



And now DSB

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/dsb.gif

DSB still operates most of the Danish railnetwork, and they have tons of different trains. I'll just show you some of them.

DSB electric trainsets:

Class: ER
Number of sets: 17
Year in service: 1994
Max speed: 180 km/h

(all images are from www.railfaneurope.net if nothing else is written)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/ER-IR4/er2002.jpg


Class: ER
Number of sets: 27
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/er.jpg


Class: ET
Number of sets: 24
Year in service: 2000
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/ET/20031006_033_et4318_dsb_r1058_malmoe.jpg


Class: MU/MM - 2nd generation (used on the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system)
Number of sets: 65
Year in service: 1975
Max speed: 100 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/stog2gen.jpg


Class: MC - 3rd generation (used on the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system)
Number of sets: 8
Year in service: 1986
Max speed: 120 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/dsb_mcfc.jpg


Class: SA - 4th generation (used on the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system)
Number of sets: 105
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 120 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/DSB122002.jpg


DSB diesel trainsets:

Class: MF
Number of sets: 92
Year in service: 1989
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MF-IC3/5001-5059/mf5235.jpg


Class: MQ
Number of sets: 12
Year in service: 2001
Max speed: 100 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MQ/dsb4953-1.jpg


Class: MR
Number of sets: 98
Year in service: 1978
Max speed: 140 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MR/DSB_MR4069_Struer.jpg


DSB ordered trainsets:

Here we have the new IC4 trains which aren't operating yet, they are delayed. These new trains are developed by Italian Ansaldobreda and DSB.

Class: MR
Number of sets: 83
Year in service: 2005/2006
Max speed: 200 km/h
Price for each set: About 8 mil €

Some images of the first ones, currently being tested:

(© unknown)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic44.jpg

(from www.gregand.dk)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic41.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic42.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic43.jpg


Also comming are these smaller sets:

Class: MP
Number of sets: 23
Year in service: 2005/2006
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=AndreBilleder&blobcol=urlandrebilleder&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1102662397255&ssbinary=true


And these, also part of the Cpenhagen "S-Tog" system:

Class: Se
Number of sets: 31
Year in service: 2004
Max speed: 120 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/DSB122002.jpg


They also have double deckers:

Litra ABs
Carts: 14

Litra B
Carts: 39

Litra Bk
Carts: 14

http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=AndreBilleder&blobcol=urlandrebilleder&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1100848905601&ssbinary=true

http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=AndreBilleder&blobcol=urlandrebilleder&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1101722882545&ssbinary=true


Finally we have Copenhagens new Metro "trains", these are operated by "Ørestadsselskabet":

(© Henrik Fredskild)
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/orestad2.jpg

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/m-train1.jpg

These trains has no driver:
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/islands-brygge-ramp1.JPG


I better stop now:)

[mlm]

It would be great to see freight trains, locomotives. Maybe i'll post later.

Here are some freight trains/locomotives from Denmark. All info and pics from that www.railfaneurope.net .

We have 2 freight operators here, DSB and Railion. Let's start with Railions trains (some are on loan from DSB):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/railion.gif

Class: EA
Number: 10
Year in service: 1984
Max speed: 175 km/h
Power: 4000 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EA/jbj3007rg.jpg


Class: EG
Number: 13
Year in service: 2000
Max speed: 140 km/h
Power: 6500 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EG/EG3103.jpg

This is one strong locomotive:D
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EG/eg3105.jpg


Class: MZ
Number: 7
Year in service: 1967
Max speed: 143 km/h
Power: 2426 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MZ/red-black/1401-1426/jbj1412od.jpg


Class: MZ
Number: 13
Year in service: 1978
Max speed: 165 km/h
Power: 2867 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MZ/red-black/1447-1461/DSBMZ1456.jpg


Class: MK
Number: 21
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 60 km/h
Power: 368 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MK/RLD_MK607_Esbjerg.jpg


Class: Köf
Number: 22
Year in service: 1966
Max speed: 45 km/h
Power: 94 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/shunter/dsb_koef.gif


And here we have the DSB ones:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/dsb.gif


Class: EA
Number: 12
Year in service: 1984
Max speed: 175 km/h
Power: 4000 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EA/P3010004.jpg


Class: ME
Number: 37
Year in service: 1980
Max speed: 175 km/h
Power: 2426 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/ME/1523_2.jpg


Class: MK
Number: 1
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 60 km/h
Power: 368 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MK/dsb_mk602.jpg


Class: Köf
Number: 10
Year in service: 1966
Max speed: 45 km/h
Power: 94 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/shunter/dsb_koef.gif

[Hviid]

really nice lists mlm! seriously! :D ... im really looking forward for the IC4 train. It looks really really awesome! Do you have any info/news on it? I read like 2 or 3 years ago that these trains were going to be on the tracks in 2004/2005 .. but now you say 2005/2006 ... Also, are the old IC3 trains still going to be on the tracks when the new IC4 come or will they be taken away? On dsb's website it says there are going to be around 96 IC4's built .. so i really dont think they'll need, or even have room, for the other 100-and-something- IC3 trains..

[mlm]

Denmark had always been a train-crazy country, let me here finally show you some special photos. Again, all from the fantastic www.railfaneurope.net

Until a few years ago we have night trains where you could sleep, but no longer:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/car/night/WLABr_KbhH95_M.jpg


The new Royal wagon, used by the royal family:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/car/royal/S1_1.jpg


The old "Lyn Tog" (speedtrain) which is no longer in service. Looks like some old nuclear driven train if you ask me:D :

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MA/dsb465.jpg


Danish steam engine exiting Copenhagen on November 9th. 2000 on it's way to Roskilde with the dead Queen Mother, to the burial and her final restingplace at Roskilde Domkirke.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/steam/steam001.jpg

[mlm]

really nice lists mlm! seriously! :D ... im really looking forward for the IC4 train. It looks really really awesome! Do you have any info/news on it? I read like 2 or 3 years ago that these trains were going to be on the tracks in 2004/2005 .. but now you say 2005/2006 ... Also, are the old IC3 trains still going to be on the tracks when the new IC4 come or will they be taken away? On dsb's website it says there are going to be around 96 IC4's built .. so i really dont think they'll need, or even have room, for the other 100-and-something- IC3 trains..


Yes I think they will be really cool too:)

DSB has a section on their site about the IC4, you can find it HERE (http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Millenium%2FPage%2FIndholdsside_med_sidemenu_og_introindhold&c=Page&cid=1087467479227)

The IC4 is supposed to replace the IC3, and then the IC3 are supposed to replace some older regional trainsets.

I think they'll need plenty of trains, so I guess there still will be need for all the IC3's. I found some facts about Danish rail on www.bane.dk (Banestyrrelsen, who controls the Danish rail network):

2.323 km rail tracks
2700 Trains on the Danish tracks every day (= about 1 million each year)
38.000 departures and arrivals on the stations each day.
More than 160 Million passengers each year:eek:


EDIT: More statistics for the Danish rail:

Passengers in 2003:

S-Tog: 88,3 million
Metro: 20,3 million (will be a lot higher soon with new lines)
"Normal" trains: 77,1 million

In all on the Danish railnetwork in 2003: 185.859.000 passengers

[Hviid]

2700 trains??? holy crap ... http://skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/eek2.gif didnt think a little country like Denmark would need that many ... How long does it take to take a train from Copenhagen to, for example, Århus?

[mlm]

2700 trains??? holy crap ... http://skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/eek2.gif didnt think a little country like Denmark would need that many ... How long does it take to take a train from Copenhagen to, for example, Århus?

That takes about 3 hours.

I think there are more reasons why trains are that polular here, some could be:


Pretty large network, you can always get from A to B by train.
Nice and new trains
The small size of the country (mixed with the large network) which makes it fast to get where you want.

[Hviid]

That takes about 3 hours.

I think there are more reasons why trains are that polular here, some could be:


Pretty large network, you can always get from A to B by train.
Nice and new trains
The small size of the country (mixed with the large network) which makes it fast to get where you want.


wow! such service! ... where i live, we dont have many trains at all .. and the ones we do have, really really suck! They dont take you from A to B, instead they take you to a city thats half an hour away from where you want to get to. And trains dont go through country-areas, if i want to take a train, i have to drive 1 hour south to the nearest "big" city. Also, the trains here in both Canada and USA seem very ugly, old, and poor-designed. Go Europe! :)

[NorthStar77]

More than 160 Million passengers each year:eek:

That is nearly 4 times more than in Norway! As mentioned in the other thread, NSB had 46 million passengers last year. NSB is the only operator for now, but some lines are about to have a tender.

The reasons why trains are not that popular here is perhaps obvious. A small population, with big distances, and a terrain that makes rail-construction costly, and with alot of curves. But we still have night-trains though;)

I have travelled several times with DSB between Hirtsals and Aalborg. The first stretch between Hirtsals and Hjørring with some small, lightrail'ish trains, and from there with some quite fast and comfortable trains. :)

[mlm]

NSB had 46 million passengers last year.

I have travelled several times with DSB between Hirtsals and Aalborg. The first stretch between Hirtsals and Hjørring with some small, lightrail'ish trains, and from there with some quite fast and comfortable trains. :)

I wonder how many passengers the other countries have, would be interesting to see more figures:)


The small trains you been using in the northern part of Denmark would be trains from the "Nordjyske Jernbaner". It's one of the several small lines here. Their passenger metarial:


Class: Ym 5
Number of sets: 2
Year in service: 1984
Max speed: 80 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/private/NJ/NJBA_Ym5_Skagen.jpg


Class: Ym 32
Number of sets: 3
Year in service: 1968
Max speed: 80 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/private/NJ/NJBA_Ym32_Hirtshals4.jpg


Class: Ym 35
Number of sets: 1
Year in service: 1983
Max speed: 80 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/ML/ml4905.jpg


They also got some newer ones now:

Class: Dm
Number of sets: 7
Year in service: 2004
Max speed: 100 km/h

(not their actual train, but similar to this)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MQ/dsb4973-1.jpg

[NorthStar77]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/private/NJ/NJBA_Ym32_Hirtshals4.jpg

That must have been it, I think. It is some years ago now though.

I will post some norwegian trains later.

[Vertigo]

Great thread! Does anyone have updates on the new Danish IC4 trainsets? I heard there are great technical problems with it. Too bad, because they really look like kickass trainsets. The IC3 sets are nice too, very comfortable.

Does any of the Baltic members have an update on Baltic railways? It seems that times are standing still there, almost everything is the same as in Soviet times, while everything else in those countries is a lot more modern now...

[mlm]

I searched a little and the latest I could find was a short article on www.berlingske.dk (Danish newspaper) from Jan 19th 2005 which says it will take about a year before they'll be ready for normal use. The time in the article says end of 2005. In other words, another delay:( BTW, the article also says that DSB have an option to buy 67 more trainssets, but thay will probably only happen is they sort out their problems with the producer, Italian Ansaldobreda.

You can find more images of the test train on this website (http://hjem.get2net.dk/Ole.Madsen/page22.html).

[Hviid]

well, they have a whole year ... how hard could it really be to make 150 proper-working trains ;)

[mlm]

Nobody else wants to show us their trains? :)

Oh well, I'll just continue with the Danish rail info then:D

I just found 3 video tour of Danish trains on the DSB website. Your view are through the frontwindow and the boring long lines are cut out. All 3 videos are from 6 to 12 minues, and they pass a lot of different Danish trains:)


Copenhagen - The Great Belt Bridge. You are going west from Copenhagen main station, ending with a tour under the tunnel and over the bridge. Click to ride the train (http://media.webpartner.dk/dsb/video_togture/storeb_h.wmv)

Copenhagen - Malmö, Sweden. Here we cross the Øresund bridge. We don't pass as much traffic as in the first video, but it's still cool. Click to ride the train (http://media.webpartner.dk/dsb/video_togture/oresundh.wmv)

København H - Klampenborg, part of one of the lines of the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system. Here we also pass lots of other trains and see some of the stations of that line. Click to ride the train (http://media.webpartner.dk/dsb/video_togture/stogh.wmv)


Maybe you'll find them boring but I liked em:)

[Hviid]

i wish i didnt have dialup internet. Everything is so slow, im not even able to watch the videos :(

[mlm]

Well I linked to the larger versions, but they are actually also in small versions:) Maybe you'll be able to watch them (they are very small though:( )

You find their video page HERE (http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Millenium/Page/Indholdsside_uden_sidemenu&c=Page&cid=1088698179969&a=Artikel&aid=1088698180192).

[Hviid]

thanks :) it helped a bit .... for some reason im not able to save any of the videos ... if i could atleast save them, i would be able to watch them without problems .. but i cant :(

[jimm]

Lithuanian Railways http://www.litrail.lt

Locomotives
http://www.litrail.lt/www.nsf/0/6fa3a9e507e2e450c1256c410025d885/i_text/5.3B1E?OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif

Class: TEP 60
Year in service: Since 1960
Max speed: 160km/h
Amount: 11
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/TEP60/TEP60_0927_11_1999_In.jpg
Class: TEP 70
Year in service: Since 1987
Max speed: 160km/h
Amount: 4
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/TEP70/TEP70-0332_Vilnius_Lithuania_08_1998-1.jpg
Class: M 62
Year in service: Since 1970
Max speed: 100km/h
Amount: 42
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/M62/green/misc/M62-1041_20040427.jpg
Class: 2M 62
Year in service: Since 1976
Max speed: 100km/h
Amount: 97
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/2M62/green/0500-1199/2M62-0600_20040528.jpg
Class: ChME3
Year in service: Since 1964
Max speed: 95km/h
Amount: 41
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/ChME3/ChME3T-7185_20040528.jpg
Class: TEM2/2A
Year in service: Since 1960
Max speed: 100km/h
Amount: 48
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/TEM2/TEM2-2973+1032a_20040504.jpg
Class: TGK2
Year in service: Since 1958
Max speed: 30 - 60km/h
Amount: 2
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ru/diesel/TGK2/TGK2-1-8990_20040630_1.jpg
Class: ER9M
Year in service: Since 1976
Max speed: 130km/h
Amount: 16
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/electric/ER9M-390_20040402.jpg
Class: D1
Year in service: Since 1963
Max speed: 120km/h
Amount: 30
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/dmu/D1/red-blue-white/D1_313_1997_04_In.jpg
Class: DR1A
Year in service: Since 1973
Max speed: 120km/h
Amount: 14
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/dmu/DR1A/DR1A-328-1_20040402.jpg
Class: AR2
Year in service: Since 1997
Max speed: 120km/h
Amount: 1
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/diesel/dmu/AR2/TRANS13.jpg

[Vertigo]

@mlm: thanks for the info. I hope AnsaldoBreda gets the problems sorted out. The Dutch railways ordered AnsaldoBreda trainsets for our domestic high speed services... I sure hope we don't get the same kind of problems.

@jimm: nice overview of Lithuanian trains. And thanks for stealing ehhh.... using a pic I made (last one). ;) Any news on Lithuanian railways?

[mlm]

You're welcome. I actually don't understand why DSB choose AnsaldoBreda. They also made the new Metro trains for Copenhagen, and there was also a lot of problems with those. I guess they just had the better bid though. The totol order of the 83 new trainsets are worth 5 billion D.Kr (about 672 million €). But the IC4 is both longer and lower than our other trains, so they also have to adjust some of the stations, which of course will mean more money.

What kind of trains did the Dutch railway order? I travelled on their double deckers last summer, those yellow/blue ones.

And thanx to jimm for keeping this thread alive:)

[jimm]

@jimm: nice overview of Lithuanian trains. And thanks for stealing ehhh.... using a pic I made (last one). ;) Any news on Lithuanian railways?

Hey, Vertigo and his photos are everywhere in the world :)
The maiun news source is here http://www.litrail.lt/wwwEN.nsf

And thanx to jimm for keeping this thread alive
No problem mlm :)

[mlm]

Are there any plans for new trains in any of the Baltic countries? You're developing very fast on so many other areas but, and I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this, most of the trains seems very old. I know it takes massive investments to renew something like this, but are there any actual plans? And does the stations and the rail network itself also need huge investments to be up-to-date and "user friendly".

[jimm]

Are there any plans for new trains in any of the Baltic countries? You're developing very fast on so many other areas but, and I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this, most of the trains seems very old. I know it takes massive investments to renew something like this, but are there any actual plans? And does the stations and the rail network itself also need huge investments to be up-to-date and "user friendly".

Yes, trains are quite old and aesthetical design of some of them are not as nice as should be however there are some plans to purchase new locomotives. Some time ago our national railway company announced a competition to purchase new locomotives however recently it has been halted due to complaint of Ferench (???) company that according to it the whole competition was unfair.

Moreover, it is a plan to blaze the European gauge railroad connecting Kaunas and Poland (Warsaw (???)) and to launch a train to Poland and probably germany. I'm sure that this work is going to be made but currently it's just on plan. What is more, i think i'm not talking a nonsense but there is also a plan to lay European gauge rails from Tallinn to Poland via Riga nad Kaunas but i'm not guaranteed whether i'm telling the truth.

I do not know how about in other countries but in Lithuania the main source of profit is transit from Russia and former Soviet countries that is why the modernization is going not so easily as we would like to see. The number of passengers is low that is why some routes were closed despithe this mean of transportation is the cheapest one in Lithuania.

[mlm]

Thanx a lot for the info jimm:) I guess it's always a big problem when you need to make something this big work well. Maybe the companies and state aren't that intesested in making these huge investments before they see some results, and the results aren't comming before the investments are made:tongue3:

So if you want to go by train to, for example Berlin, right now, it is very complicated?

Maybe a completely new line (high speed maybe?) from Tallinn to Berlin or something would be the answer, but of course that would also be very expensive.

[jimm]

http://www.rvr.lv/
^^^
A link of Latvia's Train company located in Riga.

[jimm]

Thanx a lot for the info jimm:) I guess it's always a big problem when you need to make something this big work well. Maybe the companies and state aren't that intesested in making these huge investments before they see some results, and the results aren't comming before the investments are made:tongue3:

So if you want to go by train to, for example Berlin, right now, it is very complicated?

Maybe a completely new line (high speed maybe?) from Tallinn to Berlin or something would be the answer, but of course that would also be very expensive.

If you travel by train from Tallinn to Poland or just from a Baltic country to Poland and beyond the train has to replace it's wheels to mach European standart gauge ant the whole process take some time that is why it's not convienent to take a train. They plan to lay new track not replacing the old one.

I've just remembered, in the future it is also planned to modernize a railroad connecting Vilnius and Kaunas. It is suggested to introduce hig speed train (160km/h ???) between those cities as a part of Dipolis project.

Some experts doubt whether it it will be profitable to lay new rails because vehicles are replacing (especially lorries) trains.

[Gatis]

Main problem for passenger train here:
If people have to pay some 10 EUR to go 200 km from Riga to Liepaja... they just laugh, and take car instead.
Due to the lack of passengers most of the lines have been closed here. OK, if you ask only 0,5 EUR for drive Riga-Jurmala, you can get some people inside the train.

The railway tracks in Latvia had expensive improvements over the last years and now the most expensive EU supported projects are starting to come to improve Latvian railways.

Our passenger train company currently is making investments to extend the lifetime of existing running stock. Some time ago they spoke about purchase of new, modern trains in three years time... who knows. I do not believe that this would be cost efficient investment.

Riga City General plan envisages use of low-floor passenger train to service the area inside Riga and near it - additionally to street tram. This might be something viable.

[John]

It's sad to admit but the situation with railway transportation in Lithuania is pretty sad. There's even no direct train from Vilnius to Riga and people generally are not tended to use trains for some reason (even if there are big discounts on various occasions and most train cars are restored and comfortable). That might be the mentality of people of just poorly developed inrastructure, lack of promotion... or maybe everything at once. Anyway I like trains and I'm gonna use trains by any chance I get. Too bad the development of Rail Baltica is gonna take so long (AFAIK, Kaunas, Riga and Tallinn will be connected by Rail Baltica only by 2016).

Although I hope the situation will change, the Lithuanian Railway company is investing hundreds of millions Euros into infrastructure and a 100mio Eur deal of new locomotives should continue soon (it was halted recently because of French Alstom's complaint).

[designwise]

Helsinki trams. There have been electric trams in Helsinki for 105 years.

http://koti.nettilinja.fi/~ahellman/ratikat/kuvitus/hro36i.jpg

1890's

http://www.nettilinja.fi/~ahellman/ratikat/kansikuv/hkl224ar.jpg

Today

[Ringil]

DW, have you read what the thread is about ;)

[ch1le]

It's sad to admit but the situation with railway transportation in Lithuania is pretty sad. There's even no direct train from Vilnius to Riga and people generally are not tended to use trains for some reason (even if there are big discounts on various occasions and most train cars are restored and comfortable). That might be the mentality of people of just poorly developed inrastructure, lack of promotion... or maybe everything at once. Anyway I like trains and I'm gonna use trains by any chance I get. Too bad the development of Rail Baltica is gonna take so long (AFAIK, Kaunas, Riga and Tallinn will be connected by Rail Baltica only by 2016).

Although I hope the situation will change, the Lithuanian Railway company is investing hundreds of millions Euros into infrastructure and a 100mio Eur deal of new locomotives should continue soon (it was halted recently because of French Alstom's complaint).

very true, we just had a article in estonian press about rail Baltica, stages are already set, the thing should be up and running (at some 200+km/h) by 2016. I also love trains, and i use them when i get the chance, train ticket from Tallinn to Tartu costs 4-5€ - nothing.

[Vertigo]

Although I hope the situation will change, the Lithuanian Railway company is investing hundreds of millions Euros into infrastructure and a 100mio Eur deal of new locomotives should continue soon (it was halted recently because of French Alstom's complaint).

Thanks for that information, John. Good to hear things are actually happening there. I rarely read news about the Baltic railways, though I tend to keep up with international railway news.

Do you happen to know from what manufacturer they wanted to buy locos? And why Alstom complained about it? Didn't it comply to EUropean tendering regulations?

[Geex]

Thanks for that information, John. Good to hear things are actually happening there. I rarely read news about the Baltic railways, though I tend to keep up with international railway news.

Do you happen to know from what manufacturer they wanted to buy locos? And why Alstom complained about it? Didn't it comply to EUropean tendering regulations?

I don't really know, but from what i heard ?Siemens? won competition :)

I was right!

Alstom files complaint against Lithuanian train contract award to Siemens

AFX News Limited

VILNIUS (AFX) - Alstom SA said it has filed a complaint in a Lithuanian court objecting to the award of a 100 mln eur locomotives contract by the country's railway operator, Lietuvos Gelezinkeliai, to Siemens AG.

"We want the results to be reviewed as we think that not all our proposals were taken into account," Viktoras Karaliunas, head of Alstom's subsidiary in Lithuania, told Agence France Presse.

Bombardier of Canada was also bidding for the contract to supply 34 locomotives, part of a major modernisation project by Lietuvos Gelezinkeliai that includes plans to invest about 130 million eur this year.

"We think that our price was lower than proposed by other participants in the tender, and we had no possibility to know what were the other arguments," Karaliunas added.

The court temporarily suspended the tender offer, but did not set a date to hear Alstom's objection.

[John]

A few pictures from my personal collection

Renovated ER9M electric train in Kaunas railway station (operating on route Vilnius-Kaunas)
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6852/img62088ci.jpg


same ER9M
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/1576/img62152bj.jpg

interior
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/5338/img62174pl.jpg

http://img58.exs.cx/img58/9995/img62187pl.jpg


old diesel train in Kaunas station
http://img58.exs.cx/img58/6510/img62125pk.jpg

[designwise]

DW, have you read what the thread is about ;)

as the title says "stuff that moves on rails." Last time I checked trams moved on rails.

[Vertigo]

@Geex: thanks a lot for this information. Do you (or anyone else) have more information about the order? For example, what kind of locomotives (diesel/electric), the purpose (freight/passenger/mixed), speed, etc.

If they are intended for passenger services, I am rather surprised. Most train operators nowadays buy Multiple Units instead of locomotives for passenger services.

[mlm]

@ Designwise: Look at the very first post in the thread:

So, if you have info and pictures about the trains and metros (not trams this time) used by your country, put them here, but be sensible with the number of pics you're going to use.

@ Everyone else: Thanx for the info. Anything more about that Rail Baltica?

[John]

@Vertigo

That's what I was also wondering about. It was nowhere said whether the locomotives will be used for passenger or freight trains (or both?). All what articles talk about is that Lithuanian railway company was going to purchase 34 new locomotives for about 100 mio Eur. There were 3 competitors - Siemens, Alstom and Bombardier (also some Russian company which didn't fit the requirements and was no invited to negotiate). All 34 locomotives have to be supplied in 36 months after signing the contract. Although the deal was stopped by the court after Alstom's complaint and it might take up to 2 years for the deal to continue.

Edit: that's what I found - announcement about the competition http://www.litrail.lt/wwwEN.nsf/0/CD1B078A592CD49DC2256F2D001D4D5F

it seems they're going to purchase locomotives for both freight and passenger trains.

[Geex]

@Geex: thanks a lot for this information. Do you (or anyone else) have more information about the order? For example, what kind of locomotives (diesel/electric), the purpose (freight/passenger/mixed), speed, etc.

If they are intended for passenger services, I am rather surprised. Most train operators nowadays buy Multiple Units instead of locomotives for passenger services.

They don't say anything about locomotives (kind of locomotives/purpose) :(

And this is quite interesting:

LG also has begun the preparation of other new projects valued at 1.2 billion litas, including a high-speed train and hopes for one billion litas in assistance from European Union funds.

http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040930134636.sow5s1se

[Vertigo]

@John&Geex: thanks for the info. I hope LG and other Baltic railways companies will develop quickly. I suppose with the current state that the railways are in, they are losing passengers quickly to car and bus.

[Oberleutnant]

@ John

Thanks for the interior pictures. Those trains may not look much from outside, but from inside they're obviously just like new, thanks to renovation. Good, well maintained equipment and reasonable prices are the only way to attract people use more trains.

[John]

@OL

Indeed, regarding prices, a ticket from Vilnius to Kaunas (that's a 100km distance) for students cost about 1,5 Eur (for others 3 Eur). But still railway transportation is not popular among people. I just hope this will change...

[Bond James Bond]

OK, now what is this? Is this God's own personal train? :?

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EG/EG3103.jpg

:D

[NorthStar77]

Me, at Gods Expedition in Hell:D(1 1/2 years ago)
http://www.pbase.com/northstar77/image/25494314/large.jpg

We have also had alot of problems with the new local-trains from AnsaldoBreda. The delivery was delayed many times because of technical problems with the trains. One of the problems was that the trains became too heavy, when loaded with passengers...seems to be working well now though.

Here are some of the most common trains for passengers. Source jernbane.net

Type 72 by AnsaldoBreda - new local-trains
Number: 36
Max speed: 160 km/h
Built: 2000-2002

http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm72/lokkis.jpg

Type 69 by Strømmen - Old local-trains, still in operation
Number: Many
Built: '70-'71 '74-'75 '75-'77 '83/'94
Max speed: 130 km/h
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm69/69-048_01.jpg

http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm69/bm69078.jpg

Type 70 by ADtranz, Duewag, Vst. Sundland - Intercity trains
Number: 16
Built: 1990-1996
Max speed: 160 km/h
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm70/7011.jpg

Type 71 by ADtranz Strømmen - Airport express train
Number: 16
Built: 1997-1998
Max speed: 210 km/h
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm71/8.jpg

Type 73/Signatur by ADtranz Strømmen - long distance trains
Number: 16
Built: 1997-98
Max speed 210 km/h(rarely reaches that speed though)
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm73/23.jpg

Type 92 by Duewag - also long distance
Number: 15
Built: 1984-85
Max speed: 140 km/h
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm92/92-14_01.jpg


Type 93 by Bombardier
no more info, but these are used on less trafficated tracks. They run on diesel.
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm93/9355b.jpg

Locomotive El 18 by Adtranz - also long-distance, mostly
Number: 22
Built:1996-1997
Max speed: 200 km/h
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/el/el18/T208_4.jpg

I'm not really sure what locomotives are used on goods, but I'm sure you can find them here (http://www.jernbane.net/norge)

[mlm]

OK, now what is this? Is this God's own personal train? :?

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EG/EG3103.jpg

:D

LOL, didn't see that one:D

Gods = "Freight" in Danish (and Norwegian) ;)

[Carletto]

I've been to the Baltic Republics last summer, and I arrived there by train! :)

I took the overnight train from Warszawa (via Suwałki) to Vilnius, and I was sleeping when they "changed the wheels" for the different gauge in LT. But when I woke up I noticed there were mayor works along the track and they were installing brand new tracks, while putting away old ones. Are they already with EU gauge, or is it just a renovation of the "soviet-style" gauge?

While in LT I didn't take other trains, every time I asked for a train connection people always told me to take the bus, which are often faster and more frequent. I saw few trains around in Kaunas and Klaipeda, while in Vilnius it seemed there were only connections with Russia and Belarus, plus the train to Warsaw I came with. Really few connections for a capital city.

It was aslso impossible to go to Latvia with train from Klaipeda, so I had to take 2 buses, first to Palanga, than to Liepaja. There in Liepaja there was a nice train station, just renovated (only outside), but there were just few trains to Riga, nothing else, no connection with the nearby Ventspils along the coast, nor with other smaller towns inland. So I took a bus again to Kuldiga, and from there to Riga.

Riga station is very modern, but it's more a shopping centre than a station, at the information centre there was just 1 woman who didn't speak English... I succeeded in taking a train to Sigulda, and it was the slowest I've ever taken, and the largest too! ;-) Anyway it was comfortable.

From Sigulda I wanted to go to Estonia, but there is not direct train connection again, even if there are the rail lines, and that's quite a mistery why the train (2 or 3 per day) stop in Lugaži, which is 1 stop before the border town of Valka/Valga, and comes back. Fortunately in Lugaži there was an old Mercedes bus (with all the writings in German, quite weird!) which took me to Valka, then I had to cross the border on foot and walk 2/3Kms to arrive at Valga train station, where there were NO trains to Tartu, even if there is, again, the railway line... Luckily I found a Russian/German family which hitch-hicked me and my friend to Tartu.

In Tartu I could take the train to Tallinn, but again my Estonian friends suggested to take the bus, even if there is no motorway, but it seems to be faster and easier to take (I even don't know where the train station was in Tartu, while the bus station was in the centre).

It really seems that in the Baltic trains are very seldom used by people, and are often old and not frequent. I really hope they will improve much in the next years, I think trains are much better than buses, and even more better than lorries for freight carriage. Here in Italy we have terrible railways (but much better than Baltic ones) and we are overcrowded by lorries, with many motorway accidents caused by them and a lot of pollution. Go with trains, electric of course, they are far better! :D

[mlm]

2 of the newest Danish S-Tog wont be drivin in a long time, since they crashed this morning in a Copenhagen suburb. 10 wounded, 2 serious, but the good news is that there's no dead. A few photos:

http://images.bm4.metropol.dk/163/163584/163584_normal.jpg

http://images.bm4.metropol.dk/163/163600/163600_normal.jpg

:(

[grendy]

Damn :/.. Seems they collided on the same rail going to opposite directions or what happened to be more specific??

[Swede]

LOL, didn't see that one:D
Gods = "Freight" in Danish (and Norwegian) ;)
And Swedish :)

btw - that traincrash doesn't look all that bad (as traincrashes go). Only the very ends of the cars are damaged.
Love those newest S-tog, used 'em a few times when I was there in '01. Hopefully the new S-tog (Pendeltåg) Stockholm is getting starting this summer are going to be pretty nice too.
/can't find other than small pics of 'em online.

[mlm]

It wasn't that bad, 47 was wounded but only one or two serious (latest numbers). One of the trains was not driving, and the other one crashed into it.

How about showing the Swedish train fleet Swede, I know there's some pretty interesting high speed trains:) I could of course just go HERE (http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/sweden.html) and look but it would be nice to have them here in this thread:poke: :D

[Jacek]

If you travel by train from Tallinn to Poland or just from a Baltic country to Poland and beyond the train has to replace it's wheels to mach European standart gauge ant the whole process take some time that is why it's not convienent to take a train. They plan to lay new track not replacing the old one.


That's no longer the case. There is a Polish system SUW2000 in operation on Polish-Lithuanian border. It basically adjust wheels on trains, so instead of lifting trains and exchanging wheels for several hours, train can stay on a track and only its wheel axles are adjusted. The same system is also in operation on the Polish-Ukrainian border.

Here is an example on a PKP wagon.

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/foto/040927/130.jpg

[NorthStar77]

More Swedish trains here (http://www.jernbane.net/sverige/aapning_sverige.htm).

As mentioned in another thread, the trains between Oslo and Stockholm is now only running in the weekends and at summer. NSB and SJ do not want to operate here in the weekdays. Yet, they don't want any other operator to do so eighter. Ofotbanen AS want to run there, but are not allowed to, as NSB and SJ has monopoly on those tracks.

[mlm]

As mentioned in another thread, the trains between Oslo and Stockholm is now only running in the weekends and at summer. NSB and SJ do not want to operate here in the weekdays. Yet, they don't want any other operator to do so eighter. Ofotbanen AS want to run there, but are not allowed to, as NSB and SJ has monopoly on those tracks.

There seems to be a lot of problems with all these monopolies, fighting between the different companies and so on. :ohno:

The Øresund trains seems to be working well though, except from some delays. :)

BTW, I see that DSB wants to get in on the Norwegian market. Here's an article I found (from Aug 3rd, 2004):

-------------

DSB er blevet prækvalificeret i Norge

Den norske udbudsmyndighed Samferdselsdepartementet har i dag meddelt, at DSB har prækvalificeret sig til udbudsrunden om Gjøvikbanen i Oslo-området. En gennemarbejdet ansøgning blev indgivet d. 2. august.

De øvrige prækvalificerede operatører:
· Arriva Tog Norge AS
· Connex Tog AS
· Keolis Gjøviksbanen AS
· Ofotbanen AS
· NSB AS
· NSB Anbud AS

Selve banen er en pendlerbane (Gjøvik-Oslo-Skøyen) på ca. 1,4 mio. togkm. Der er en banelængde på 124 km, hvor strækningen går fra Oslo nordpå til Gjøvik.

I en kommentar til prækvalifikationen siger koncerndirektør Søren Eriksen:

”Vi er glade for, at DSB er blevet prækvalificeret til Gjøvikbanen i Norge, som er et af virksomhedens fokusområder. Prækvalifikationen er endnu en international anerkendelse af DSB’s arbejde og bekræfter, at DSB er med fremme i forreste række i de udbud, vi deltager i,” siger koncerndirektør Søren Eriksen.

-------------

Any news on this?

[NorthStar77]

/\ yeah, that is exiting!:) I use Gjøvikbanen many times, since my girlfriend is from near Gjøvik, I use it every time we are visiting "mother in law". This is a line that has been on the verge of beeing shut down many times. It is not among the most trafficated lines, and NSB has been struggling to make it profitable(even with the subisdies they get). This is why they have chosen this line to be the first to be on a tender.

I'm mostly satisfied with how NSB handle the route, exept that they put in really crappy old local train sometimes, when they lack something better, because this route is not what they have set highest priorities for. It really sucks to sit in those crappy seats for nearly 2 hours.
http://www.jernbane.net/norge/bm/bm69/bs69a606%20int.jpg

Let's hope another company will handle the route better:) I'll see if I can find some updated news on this.

[NorthStar77]

Didn't take me long:D

Oppland Arbeiderblad, 5 feb.
http://www.oa.no/lokale_nyheter/article1446331.ece
Tre anbud på Gjøvikbanen?

I følge Norsk Jernbaneforbunds magasin Aktuell, er det trolig bare tre selskap som vil kjøre Gjøvikbanen.

Fristen for å legge inn anbud på Gjøvikbanen går ut 7. februar klokka 12.00. 16 selskaper møtte i april i fjor opp til departementets møte om anbudskonkurransen. Aktuell erfarer imidlertid at det bare er tre driverselskap som er aktuelle. Dette er Connex, DSB og NSB. Det som har virket begrensende, er å ha ansvar for inntjening og økonomi på strekningen over en periode på ti år. I tillegg har Samferdselsdepartementet opsjon på å forlenge avtalen med to år.

Kontrakten skal, i følge Aktuell, underskrives i løpet av våren, og vinneren skal overta sommeren 2006.


Oppland Arbeiderblad, 9 feb.
http://www.oa.no/meninger/article1451663.ece

Ny operatør på Gjøvikbanen?

Så er det klart at det til slutt bare ble tre togselskaper som valgte å legge inn anbud på transport av passasjerer på Gjøvikbanen. Selv om Samferdselsdepartementets folk hevder at de er svært fornøyd med antallet, vil vi vel likevel tro at de kunne ha tenkt seg noen flere interessenter å velge mellom. Men, som underdirektør Fredrik Birkheim Arnesen gir uttrykk for: Nå blir det et enklere valg.

Da detaljene i anbudsprosessen skulle gjøres kjent, deltok 15-16 selskaper. De fleste falt fort av lasset, og bare seks valgte å bruke tid og penger på å prekvalifisere seg. Nå er antallet halvert, og dette kan skyldes at Gjøvikbanen gir litt for store utfordringer for en togoperatør. Infrastrukturen er dårlig, og det er lett å tenke seg at noen av selskapene nøler med å binde seg opp til for eksempel krav om punktlighet. I tillegg gir nok heller ikke banestrekningen særlig prestisje å kjøre, investeringsmessig glemt som den er av myndighetene.

På den andre siden er dette den første strekningen som skal ut på anbud, og den vil gi gode erfaringer for togselskaper som er sugne på jernbanemessige indrefileter som Sørlandsbanen og Bergensbanen. Disse skal jo ut på anbud når myndighetene har lært nok av konkurranseutsettingen av Gjøvikbanen.

De tre togselskapene som nå er kommet til anbudsfinalen – norske NSB, danske DSB og det multinasjonale Connex – er alle solide selskaper med godt rykte. Det lover godt for brukerne av Gjøvikbanen. Vi håper også at det er godt nytt for de mange ansatte som blir berørt av konkurranseutsettingen.

Så spørs det hvilket selskap som får lov til å skrive kontrakt med Samferdselsdepartementet. Vi har tillit til at begge parter viser stor vilje til å gi brukerne langs banen et så godt transporttilbud som overhodet mulig. For det må være det viktigste poenget med anbudsprinsippet.


Btw, the train-sets that usually operate the line is these intercity-trains that I showed before. Their interior is much better than what I showed in my previous post;)
http://www.oa.no/multimedia/archive/00543/3266765336_543769g.jpg

[mlm]

Thanx for the info Northstar:) I guess we'll soon know what the result will be. If DSB wins, it will be their first contract (or whatever it's called) outside Denmark. They're also trying to get in on the English market right now, with a line between England and Scotland. As shown on the first page we now have Arriva too here in Denmark. They were awarded some lines in Jutland some 2-3 years ago, as the first other than DSB to operate in Denmark. These are also some of the "smaller" lines, I guess that's the same we now see in Norway. They probably want to make sure it works on the small ones first. Arriva had a lot of problems in the beginning, mostly because they didn't have enough drivers for the trains. Now it's a lot better, and they have fewer delays than DSB.

Of course I have no idea what kind of trains DSB would use in Norway if they win, but my guess would be some of their IC3 trains, which they might can spare here if the IC4 will start working soon. Of course there's also the possibility they'll rent some trains, or even buy new ones.

Here's the IC3 train, which they also have in an electrical version:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MF-IC3/5001-5059/mf5235.jpg

All their IC3 trains will be renovated during the next 2 years, though they seem to be on good condition already.

[NorthStar77]

Here is a picture of one of the X2 trains that Linx(owned by SJ and NSB) used to operate between Oslo-Stockholm and Copenhagen-Gothenburg-Oslo. Here standing at the station in Gothenburg.
http://www.jarnvag.net/bild/linxsista.jpg

[Swede]

How about showing the Swedish train fleet Swede, I know there's some pretty interesting high speed trains:) I could of course just go HERE (http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/sweden.html) and look but it would be nice to have them here in this thread:poke: :D
Can't upset a high-up at Emporis, can I ;):D

The almost-HSR known as X2000:
http://www.geocities.com/transit383/njt5162x2000.JPG
http://www.railwaysofchina.com/images/x2000.jpg
And, finally one of the trains in Sweden :D
http://www.funet.fi/index/railways/Sweden/X2000/x2_upplv.jpg

The "normal" train in Sweden, dunno its name
http://www.rolandrail.net/norge/6457-Kong-tekst.jpg

The "Regina", newish reginol train used by county tranist agencies in much of Sweden (tho this one belongs to SJ, the national company).
http://www.jarnvag.net/bild/vagnguide/extX52-3_3280.jpg

On the left the current type of commuter train in Stockholm, on the right the Arlanda Express (non-stop Airport<->City)
http://www.jarnvag.net/Bild/Banguide/030419-X1X3Karlberg.jpg

New commuter-train for Stockholm starting this summer :D Two of these forms a full-length train (at 214m iirc).
http://www.jarnvag.net/bild/vagnguide/extX606001SL.jpg

[Oberleutnant]

I do like those new commuter trains very much!


Silly me forgot to include this VERY common train from Finnish railroads, aka "Siberian Wolf". These formed the backbone of VR's operations till late 1990s, and as a kid I was truly in love with them. :)


http://www.miiro.com/atrain/veturit/jun_VrSr13095.png

As you can probably tell from the nickname, they're of Soviet origin, although all electrics work and other parts were made in Finnish. Known as their official name by Sr1, they were first electrified Finnish locomotives.







Helsinki metro


Older M100 series model

http://www.seisake.net/img/m100_2.jpg



Newer M200 series model

http://www.seisake.net/img/m200_1.jpg

[Swede]

Are those metro trains one integrated car, or are they several shorter ones coupled together? 'cuz the M100 looks like it's got 5 segments and at least in Sthlm the old cars are hooked up in pairs (thus 4, 6,8 & 10 car trains have been used).

[Oberleutnant]

Yeah, its several cars coupled together. Different configurations are used depending on the time of the day.


One of the cockpit display screens of M200

http://www.seisake.net/img/m200_ohj_naytto_2.jpg


Looking at all these pics had made me want to take pics of trains, trams and metros :)

[mlm]

Thanx Swede:)

Both "The Regina" and the new Stockholm commuter-train looks really nice. Actually the body itself of the Regina looks very much like the Øresund trains:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/ET/20031006_033_et4318_dsb_r1058_malmoe.jpg

[Swede]

Wouldn't surprise me if they were based on the same "platform". That's how it's usually done these days.
Tho I never understood the point of the extremely un-aerodynamic ends of the Danish/Öresund trains.

[ch1le]

mlm the oresund train looks llike its front is made (the skirt around window) out of some fluffy and soft material, are my assumptions correct?

[mlm]

Yes the front of the Danish trains (most of them) are quite weird. I'm not sure it's exactly soft, but yes, it's like some hard rubber or something. And they sure look very "un-aerodynamic", again not sure why this is. One answer could be that they very often use many trainsets together, and it is easier to connect the sets with this kind of front:? I really don't know, but weird it is.

I'm glad the new IC4 trains will have the more "normal" aerodynamic high speed'ish front:)

[Vertigo]

Yes the front of the Danish trains (most of them) are quite weird. I'm not sure it's exactly soft, but yes, it's like some hard rubber or something. And they sure look very "un-aerodynamic", again not sure why this is. One answer could be that they very often use many trainsets together, and it is easier to connect the sets with this kind of front

Yes, the reason is for couple. The front is flat so that the control cab can be folded away when coupled to another trainset, to allow passengers to walk in between trainsets.

The "rubber nose" around the control cab was is to allow the trainset to couple while moving(!). AFAIK that's never used in operation.

[mlm]

Yes, the reason is for couple. The front is flat so that the control cab can be folded away when coupled to another trainset, to allow passengers to walk in between trainsets.

The "rubber nose" around the control cab was is to allow the trainset to couple while moving(!). AFAIK that's never used in operation.

WOW, dumb me:hammer: Of course this is the answer, thanx for clearing that up Vertigo. Sounds a bit crazy with the moving part though.

I've walked walked between trainsets tons of times, so I guess I was not really thinking straight.

[Vertigo]

The IC/3 train has been very succesful, BTW, and various other trains were based on its design. The Oresundtrains have already been mentioned, but there are other trains of this kind running around the world.

Spain:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/diesel/dmu/594/TRDdepot.jpg

New Spanish version, without the rubber nose:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/diesel/dmu/598/RENFE_598_Granada_1.jpg

Israel:
http://www.railnewsil.com/rolling/IC3-18.jpg

The Belgian railways have trainsets with a similar kind of rubber front. But besides that, it's a totally different kind of train.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/be/electric/emu/AM96/Ottignies/ottignies2001_2.jpg

[jimm]

A very small update:
A special maintainance crane EDK-13639
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/Crane_200403.jpg
Railway excavator and platform wagons
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/Excavator_20040504.jpg
Maintenance railcar
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/LG2003_02_15_08.jpg
Special diesel locomotive with mobile crane
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/LG2003_02_15_41.jpg
Special railcar MPT6
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/MPT6_200401.jpg
A special maintainance railcar
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/Railcar_20040528.jpg
The old pilot-engine SM2B
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/lt/work/SM2B_200401.jpg

[Ringil]

http://www.press.sj.se/images/file1/0,5411,46,00.jpg
http://www.tellerup.se/jarnvag/bild/A069.jpg
http://www.press.sj.se/images/file1/0,5411,67,00.jpg
the new dubbeldecker trains
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/38/06/14/dubbla463.jpg
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/38/06/14/dubbl463.jpg
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/28/34/65/tag2463.jpg
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/28/34/65/tag4463.jpg

[sander]

Cool trains. Estonian trains are slow and seats are uncomfortable.

[Vertigo]

Wow, the new SJ double deck trains look great and comfortable. On what kind of services are they used (urban / regional / long distance / etc)?