The Galliyaat - Murree, Ayubia, Nathiagali, Bhurban, Patriata

[zees]

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[zees]

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[Khanabadosh]

One of the loveliest hill stations.

[swerveut]

Excellent photos! thanks!

[dost_4u]

Beautiful..........................

[pakboy]

nathia gali is awsome, just a cleaner version of murre, patrita (were there making new murree) is also nice and clean, apart from the commercial area.

[zees]

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[zees]

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[zees]

Nathia Gali, is about two hour's drive from Islamabad
It is one and half hours drive to Murree from Islamabad, 32 km away from Murree

Abbottabad is an hour's drive from Nathia Gali
Nathia Gali to Abbottabad is about 34 km dropping steeply through the beautiful valleys with few trees to the river bed.

Thandiani Thandiani is 31 km from main Abbottabad City and 25 km from Thandiani-Nathiagali crossing. The drive takes more or less 80 minutes from Abbottabad with lovely views on both sides of the road.

[swerveut]

Muree has become a shopping mall. It isnt a resort any more. And patriata is pretty much going to become a waste heap and lose its natural charm once the detestable New Murree plan is developed. The government needs to develop some conservation strategy to save our natural areas from losing their charm to unchecked commercial development. Otherwise, all the beatiful areas we have left right now, will be gone in a couple of years.
Swat's tree covered mountains have started looking very very barren already.

[heartkins]

Murree hahahahahahha
I think same for murree to its shopping mall or market area its not Hill station now
Thanks to Great Pakistani Government this is the way to protect Pakistan and Pakistani areas.Great work done by government.
My suggestion is that kill all leopards in nathia gali which government is doing now they have already kill 2 leopards in Nathia gali and caught 1 leopard.
So that trees can be easily cutted down without any fear of leopards.
Trees cutting has already started in nathia gali too they have cut many i have seen them with my eyes.only 3 or 4 mountains have thick forests there others are barren.
Again thanks to......hahaahhahah...You know better.
I am with you cut trees and build plazas on nathia gali like murree.
Bhurban hotel i hate that big hotel on mountains It ruins that green mountains and valleys.Anybody who visit bhurban know better.
i will cry dont start discussing of trees.Because after10 years there will be no tree to Cry on.

[heartkins]

BE ON POSITVE SIDE.
Our Pakistan beauty does not end with trees there are many areas in Pakistan which dont have any trees but still most beautiful.
Like HUNZA,SKARDU,GILGIT,CHITRAL,Almost all lakes of Pakistan are without trees but still beautiful with the exception of Mahodand Lake in Swat And Banjossa lake in Azad Kashmir.
It does not mean that tree cutting should be allowed
I beg to Pakistan givernment that please do something about this.

[heartkins]

Muree has become a shopping mall. It isnt a resort any more.

Murree,yes i agree but there is still an area left there which is worth seeing
yes i am talking about "Pindi Point" its beautiful just see it when you beeing to murree next.

[pakboy]

well in a hot boiling country like pakistan, murree could be good, so you can go shopping there in the cold, but it needs proper planning, cos its always packed out.

[swerveut]

Murree,yes i agree but there is still an area left there which is worth seeing
yes i am talking about "Pindi Point" its beautiful just see it when you beeing to murree next.

Jeez make up your mind already!!!

My point is that instead of conservative development which preserves the beauty and serenity of our natural areas, we develop them like termites and within a decade all the idyllic natural charm the place had earlier has disappeared!
Our forests have been cut away from most northern mountains resulting in huge landslides, muddy river waters and clogged up dams. Our hill resorts are becoming commercialized to an extent that they loose their natural beauty, and become ugly eyesores.
Wouldnt it be better if minimal development was allowed in such an area and only a few sporadic sites were developed devoted to some idyllic lodges and campsites by the streams? They would at least preserve the scenic environment and retain the charm of the land.
If you really need a shopping mall that bad, why not go to some airconditioned one in ur city instead of using the northern areas as shopping malls?

[heartkins]

Our Government will not do anything they are totally ignorant or dont know they want to be ignorant of all that.Nor government will supply gas facilities so that people will continue cutting trees for money and fuel.Nor they pupose any good plan nor they replant trees ever i think.
Pakistan natural forests are about to end...We will not abe to compare Pakistan with switzerland after few years.There was a time i remeber when Pakistan northern areas can beat any of the world country in beauty because of thick green forests now its difficult to even compare Pakistan with Switzerland.

[huit]

Great pics!! I din't even knew we had such places in Pakistan! I'm stunned!!

[pakboy]

has anyone been to Pir Sohawa, its one of the best hill stations in pak. just next to islamabad.

[swerveut]

Our Government will not do anything they are totally ignorant or dont know they want to be ignorant of all that.Nor government will supply gas facilities so that people will continue cutting trees for money and fuel.Nor they pupose any good plan nor they replant trees ever i think.
Pakistan natural forests are about to end...We will not abe to compare Pakistan with switzerland after few years.There was a time i remeber when Pakistan northern areas can beat any of the world country in beauty because of thick green forests now its difficult to even compare Pakistan with Switzerland.

With your kind of attitude, yes we may never be able to save our green areas. That is such a negative and unproductive way to approach such a problem.
Why do I write about something that I know?
If you know something is wrong, you need to tell more people about it and raise awareness. When more people know, more people take action. And the government is just catering to some big buisness which is going to make lots of money out of it. They dont give a shit about the green areas. If somebody does give a shit about them ( dunno about u, but I do) then they need to speak up! even on however a small thing as this forum. Thats the only way to make a difference.

Somebody's famous quote goes like: "be the change you want to see in the world"

[pakboy]

well heartkins, switzerland has done the same in alot of areas, btw this is only forests and trees in punjab.

the north is still like it was before,

[swerveut]

well heartkins, switzerland has done the same in alot of areas, btw this is only forests and trees in punjab.

the north is still like it was before,


So what you are proposing is, that its okay - wait - GOOD to cut down the trees in the punjab?
PakBOY, you dont seem to realise that Murree is a - wait - WAS a tourist spot because of its natural beauty once upon a time. Then it turned ugly and the tourists were taken up by Patriata which is in the process of becoming ugly. The New Murree project is going to destroy whatever is left of any natural beauty by cutting down the trees and replanting some small alien species from somewhere else thereby completely transforming the area into a man made housing society with a couple of trees here and there.

Dude, somebody needs to take you on a camping trip out of Lahore that shows you that its not only glitzy shopping malls and big mansions that life is all about. For all I know, most of us wont even be living in those houses or whatever it is that New Murree is constructing. For us, it would be just a loss of a great outdoors area and a gain of an eyesore.

[heartkins]

New Murree is just an idea for the sake of more money initially they have purpose that
only 4 thousand trees were cutted (do 4 thousand are only).Pakboy if go to murree it become so ugly because of shopping malls and hotel there if government initially purpose a plan for this so that no malls can be built after some specific area but you go now still today construction is on the top in Murree everywhere big big plazas and shopping malls are beeing made for the sake of money (illegally).Remember they are all illegal still government do not do anything.Even in Murree they have made Bus stop,Petrol pump,And garrages .hill station is not for this purposes.and In Nathia gali i think after 10 years Nathai Gali will also the same.Because tourists are now diverting from Murree to Nathia Gali.Even i dont stay at murreee because of ugly look of that Hill Station.And In Bhurban i ask y they build such a big hotel only for income nor they think of thousand of trees which cut because of this expensive hotel.

[heartkins]

The Face of Murree Today.......
Its real picture from Murree.
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[Intoxication]

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[pakboy]

So what you are proposing is, that its okay - wait - GOOD to cut down the trees in the punjab?
PakBOY, you dont seem to realise that Murree is a - wait - WAS a tourist spot because of its natural beauty once upon a time. Then it turned ugly and the tourists were taken up by Patriata which is in the process of becoming ugly. The New Murree project is going to destroy whatever is left of any natural beauty by cutting down the trees and replanting some small alien species from somewhere else thereby completely transforming the area into a man made housing society with a couple of trees here and there.

Dude, somebody needs to take you on a camping trip out of Lahore that shows you that its not only glitzy shopping malls and big mansions that life is all about. For all I know, most of us wont even be living in those houses or whatever it is that New Murree is constructing. For us, it would be just a loss of a great outdoors area and a gain of an eyesore.

good to cut down trees? :bash: did i say that

wen an other country does that its doesnt become good, or does it.

and no murree wasnt really a tourist spot 30 years ago, there use to be a few 100 people who visited it every year, it has turned into a tourist spot just now with thousands and thousands of people visiting it.

tell me how many people go to fort monro?

and as for it being made for money, everything is made for money, especially in pakistan.

btw, if your against making hotels in murree or burban, then were are you ment to stay there.

[swerveut]

good to cut down trees? :bash: did i say that

wen an other country does that its doesnt become good, or does it.

what other country are you talking about? I am just talking about losing more of our own natural forest cover in PAKISTAN which we already have so little of.


and no murree wasnt really a tourist spot 30 years ago, there use to be a few 100 people who visited it every year, it has turned into a tourist spot just now with thousands and thousands of people visiting it.

tell me how many people go to fort monro? .

how big was the Pakistani population back then? how big was the vacationing middle class? They at least had a better quality time there however little went.
Most people probably dont even know what Fort Monroe is. We do not promote our tourist spots well. The website of PTDC has pictures of coral reefs on it instead of having some old mughal forts or the high northern mountains on it. Do we really offer that kind of tourism?

and as for it being made for money, everything is made for money, especially in pakistan. .

Thats a very cheap and unlearned justification. You are saying that Pakistanis are just a bunch of greedy bi+ches.

btw, if your against making hotels in murree or burban, then were are you ment to stay there.

is this a hotel? this is a whole freaking housing project which is going to cut down acres and acres of natural forest land!

[swerveut]

The Face of Murree Today.......
Its real picture from Murree.
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A very very sad picture indeed.
Now Patriata is going to meet the same fate thanks to the greedy Punjab government.

[pakboy]

pakistans population was big enought back then.
and people might not know about fort monoro, but they do know about swat, quetta, burban. parita, nathia gali etc, so why do they choose to go to murree.

Thats a very cheap and unlearned justification. You are saying that Pakistanis are just a bunch of greedy bi+ches.



yes the goverment is, would you think they would make new murree if it had no profits for them?

[zees]

Please dont ruin this thread
if u want to discuss about New Murree project, discuss in New Murree project thread

[heartkins]

yeah i have also noticed this
ok next time i will try to upload pictures on my own server.
Thanx for telling me

[heartkins]

Yeah please dont fight with each other
all we doing are just for sake of Pakistan.
and Pakboy to answer your question Murree was not a tourist spot only because Islamabad was not there.Islamabad made and then murree become tourist spot because of easy accessibility.
Swat is more beautiful than Murree but accessibilty is difficult there
Swat has more shopping centres and bazars as compared to Murree.Swat has more good hotels than murree.but people little go to Swat because it is not accessible easily.
Main thing is Accessibility not hotels.
Y People go to switzerland because of accessibility to natural environment.

Pakistan has provide now accessibily by the cost of Natural forests in Murree.
its very bad indeed that for money cut your forests.
It can be compare to that for money sell your child(who will do this?)

Every thing needs proper planning and implementation and this what lacks in Murree.

if government made before a proper planning for Murree like Gwadar & Islamabad Murree will not become dirty.
If Same thing happens in Nathia gali it will ruined too proper planning isd needed
And Please please please i beg to government please provide gas facilities to people in Nathia gali we dont want one more Murree.

[Intoxication]

ur welcome :)

[oogabooga]

Yeah please dont fight with each other
all we doing are just for sake of Pakistan.
and Pakboy to answer your question Murree was not a tourist spot only because Islamabad was not there.Islamabad made and then murree become tourist spot because of easy accessibility.
Swat is more beautiful than Murree but accessibilty is difficult there
Swat has more shopping centres and bazars as compared to Murree.Swat has more good hotels than murree.but people little go to Swat because it is not accessible easily.
Main thing is Accessibility not hotels.
Y People go to switzerland because of accessibility to natural environment.

Pakistan has provide now accessibily by the cost of Natural forests in Murree.
its very bad indeed that for money cut your forests.
It can be compare to that for money sell your child(who will do this?)

Every thing needs proper planning and implementation and this what lacks in Murree.

if government made before a proper planning for Murree like Gwadar & Islamabad Murree will not become dirty.
If Same thing happens in Nathia gali it will ruined too proper planning isd needed
And Please please please i beg to government please provide gas facilities to people in Nathia gali we dont want one more Murree.

Well if accessability is the problem then I would be in favour of demolishing all roads leading to Swat and other "unexploited" northern areas of Pakistan in order to keep the greedy Choudhari's of Punjab away from it.

As far Pakboy's baseless and abolutely void of logic support for the New Murree project is concerned, I will quote a couple of words from Cowasjee's latest column.....

But all is not lost. For almost 60 years I have been a reader of Dawn and without fail read the third editorial first. On September 15, the subject of the third editorial was the ‘Mounting backlog of cases’ in the Supreme Court. The Chief Justice of Pakistan, Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, is starting off this new judicial year with a backlog of over 30,000 cases. Whew! This is enormous and must be addressed somehow or the other.

Yet, with all this at his back, Chief Justice Chaudhry, prompted by a column printed in Dawn on September 8 (the latest of one of the many columns written on the subject), has taken suo moto notice of the environmentally disastrous ‘New Murree’ scheme (or scam) which, if it happens, will cause the murder of hundreds of thousands of coniferous trees, thus causing soil erosion, with consequential landslides, and affecting the annual rainfall and thus the storage of the Rawal dams.

Our rulers and their politicians, together with their ‘developer’ sidekicks, will stop at nothing to assuage their greed — they blatantly and shamelessly air their contempt for their country and its people.

Well done, our new Chief Justice, who obviously loves and knows the value of trees and forests and can feel for the environment. We must just hope that this case does not get lost amidst the 30,000.

[pakboy]

Yeah please dont fight with each other
all we doing are just for sake of Pakistan.
and Pakboy to answer your question Murree was not a tourist spot only because Islamabad was not there.Islamabad made and then murree become tourist spot because of easy accessibility.
Swat is more beautiful than Murree but accessibilty is difficult there
Swat has more shopping centres and bazars as compared to Murree.Swat has more good hotels than murree.but people little go to Swat because it is not accessible easily.
Main thing is Accessibility not hotels.
Y People go to switzerland because of accessibility to natural environment.

Pakistan has provide now accessibily by the cost of Natural forests in Murree.
its very bad indeed that for money cut your forests.
It can be compare to that for money sell your child(who will do this?)

Every thing needs proper planning and implementation and this what lacks in Murree.

if government made before a proper planning for Murree like Gwadar & Islamabad Murree will not become dirty.
If Same thing happens in Nathia gali it will ruined too proper planning isd needed
And Please please please i beg to government please provide gas facilities to people in Nathia gali we dont want one more Murree.


ok there might not be good accessibilty to swat or nothern areas, but what about natia gali, patriata, abotabad, queta,

why do tourists choose to go to murree, instead of them?

[pakboy]

As far Pakboy's baseless and abolutely void of logic support for the New Murree project is concerned, I will quote a couple of words from Cowasjee's latest column.....

you think i give a cr@p about that old man, that idiot is even against high risers in karachi. :bash: :bash:

[heartkins]

Oh Nathia Gali is not easy accessible than murree dont you know the road become narrow and steepy on going to Nathia gali.
Murree is just 45 minutes from capital and nathia gali almost take 2:30 hours.Which is eays accessible.
I agree with oooga Booga
Dont you know about National Parks in Pakistan (a protected area)
You know the only province of Pakistan which has no national Park is Punjab.
And Now Azad Kashmir government also realize the importance of Environment,ent after Nwfp.They have recently build Machiara National Park in Muzaffarabad inspite of wishes of Local People who wants to cut rain forests.
Punjab government think like america no Environment only ecenomy and Money.
They have first destroyed Murree,Then Bhurban and now Patriata
And Now i am hearing almost every week a Housing project in Murree or bhurban.
What is this?
I wonder which things would be left for Punjab after Patriata to Destroy.
but people do dont Care about the beauty of These areas like in Swat Local peoples are involved in cutting trees in Kalam.

[pakboy]

dnt give me that rubbish, murree, natia gali and patriata all have the same accessiblity. the roads are narrow and steepy on the way to all of them, and there are 2 national parks (maybe more) in punjab.

[swerveut]

Actually, punjab govt thinks worse than America, here we have lots of protected areas even within cities.

What is currently happening here is the thoughtless and greedy commercialization of our beautiful spots and natural places. Once they are gone, then will people like Pakboy realize what they have lost. Seems like these people are coming out of a village or something that every building everywhere, no matter how trashy a development, seems like a sign of modernity. After those buildings are built and the place is completely destroyed will be when they realize the price of their shallow minded modernity.

[pakboy]

there is no point in having those spots when no one wants to visit them, people in pak crave to go to murree, yet places like nathia gali, fort munro, patriata are forgotton places.

[heartkins]

there is no point in having those spots when no one wants to visit them, people in pak crave to go to murree, yet places like nathia gali, fort munro, patriata are forgotton places.

People go to shopping in Murree.Look at Lahore people are crazy to go to the newest and biggest shopping mall .In murree they do shopping in cold climate thats the biggest reason and dont forget easy accessibility .I think Pakboy you have never visited Murree and punjab mountains thats y you dont know how commercialized and bad they have become and
You perhaps dont know the way to Patriata and Bhurban is far more difficult and sloopy than Murree.Patriata can only be approached by chair lifts.
Just think if Swat were Near to karachi it will have more tourists than Murree.

Ok Name the national parks of Punjab >Margalla hills national park is a thanks to capital Islamabad government which is not punjab.
Nwfp is already running ayubia just see the park and wildlife there you will be amazed to see thousands of protected trees.
Not like murree hundred of buildings.

Nwfp has declared Two new lakes to protect and inlcude in National park which are Lulusar and Saif ul Malook.
May be after few years Nwfp declared ushu valley as national park too.
Nwfp is doing atleast some work to conserve beauty.
And punjab is building flats and buildings in Murree
Budil a new city in murree Than 10 lacs tourists will be there every day
Punjab government should be shamed just destroying environment .

[pakboy]

there is jallo national park and changa manga in lahore.

[pakboy]

People go to shopping in Murree.Look at Lahore people are crazy to go to the newest and biggest shopping mall .In murree they do shopping in cold climate thats the biggest reason and dont forget easy accessibility .I think Pakboy you have never visited Murree and punjab mountains thats y you dont know how commercialized and bad they have become and
You perhaps dont know the way to Patriata and Bhurban is far more difficult and sloopy than Murree.Patriata can only be approached by chair lifts.
Just think if Swat were Near to karachi it will have more tourists than Murree.



mate i have been to all three, murree, patriata and burban and the travel to all three is the same no different, you are just making excusses now, that fact is murree is a tourist hub not because its accessable but because of the commercialization, while patriata with beuatiful gardens and the second biggest chairlift in the world goes empty all the time.

there is no point in blaming th goverment they are just doing what the people want, due to the high demand of murree, these buildings and resorts must be made to accomidate the tourists.

[heartkins]

Then ok DO commercialization i think you are some business man type of Person .Go to Switzerland no such ugly commercialization still best tourist country.
Ok atleast people dont want to include murree in Forums.Thats why they choose Nathia gali.
Build Hotels on K2 too so people go to k2 too.
And Ask from anyone People dont like murree.
And please ask from any people except you about the acessibility of Patriata, and bhurban and murree.
First a place become acessible then people came and then commercialization statrs.
And Busness man want to full their pockets their.
ok one nice suggestion for you
You should also try to make hotels and flats in Murree so that you become rich.

[pakboy]

i am no business man, i am just talking about what the people in pakistan want.

and instead of talking out your back you should go and take a trip to switzerland yourself and see the commercialization there.

and yes no one likes murree its soo hated thats why its always full of tourists.

[Sultan]

That picture up there is a very very sad picture.. Murree is being destroyed thanks to Punjab Haqumat! Once its all gone, then people would realise what they have lost.

Can something be done about this ? Awareness should be created. Write to Imran Khan, he'll protest..

[heartkins]

That picture up there is a very very sad picture.. Murree is being destroyed thanks to Punjab Haqumat! Once its all gone, then people would realise what they have lost.

Can something be done about this ? Awareness should be created. Write to Imran Khan, he'll protest..

And the sad thing is that construction is still on top in Murree.I have recently visited murree and there 4 or 5 new plazas and hotels under construction.

[Zoltrix]

Beautiful............

[UnitedPakistan]

Muree has become a shopping mall. It isnt a resort any more. And patriata is pretty much going to become a waste heap and lose its natural charm once the detestable New Murree plan is developed. The government needs to develop some conservation strategy to save our natural areas from losing their charm to unchecked commercial development. Otherwise, all the beatiful areas we have left right now, will be gone in a couple of years.
Swat's tree covered mountains have started looking very very barren already.
I might be a bit late answering to your comments but i must refute the fact that the tree's in Swat are being cut down at a huge rate. I have traveled a lot in this year in 2004 and 2005 and i have gone quite deep into the area. I did not see any destruction of trees but i did see some modernization. One thing that bugged me was the fact that the inhabitants were using the river that rages through swat as a toilet. In Kalam i saw that they were building hotels in the middle of the raging river! Its quite amazing how much modernization has occured.

[JADI]

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Motel in Nathiagali

[zees]

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[UnitedPakistan]

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[UnitedPakistan]

The entire area is overpopulated by these harami bandars! You guys would have had no pictures if one of them was able to snatch my Camera! HARAMIS!!!!!!

[UnitedPakistan]

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[Intoxication]

The entire area is overpopulated by these harami bandars! You guys would have had no pictures if one of them was able to snatch my Camera! HARAMIS!!!!!!

Looks like there are more banders than people in Murree

[UnitedPakistan]

We should seriously release their natural predator so they wont be so many damn bandars! At the Ayubia PTDC they were jumping on the roof all night until I told the guard if he wont shoot the goddamn monkey off the roof I would. And shoot he did!

[paguma larvata]

We should seriously release their natural predator so they wont be so many damn bandars! At the Ayubia PTDC they were jumping on the roof all night until I told the guard if he wont shoot the goddamn monkey off the roof I would. And shoot he did!

what you asked him to shoot the damn bandars :ohno: :ohno: Zain yaar tu bara zalim insaan nikla. hehehe:lol: :lol:

Oyee yaar, don't blame these poor monkeys. Blame our jahil public. These Rhesus Macaques are very intelligent. They used to live in the surrounding forests. When people started feeding them all kind of desi stuff, they came out of their forest hiding and now you see them hanging around motels and roads, looking for easy pickings. Now when these monkey left the forests, soon followed the leopards. And now we constantly hear of leopards attacking people and their livestock as they have nothing to hunt in the forest. The best way to tackle this problem is not to start shooting them, but to educate our public (particularly tourists) not to feed them. When they won't find food, they will move back to the forests and the natural ecological balance will be restored. And yes, this monkey business is very common everywhere, from Kenya to our neighborhood in the east:)

Also, i am posting a link to an article that i wrote and was published by the IUCN Cat's Specialist Group. Its about the Man-Leopard conflicts in Galliat area. One of the reasons, i have mentioned in it is the shifting of these monkey population from the forests into the nearby towns.

http://www.wildlifeofpakistan.com/ResearchPapers/Growinghumanpopulationandmanleopardconflict.pdf

[UnitedPakistan]

No, but literally they are more goddamn monkeys than humans in the area now.

[paguma larvata]

No, but literally they are more goddamn monkeys than humans in the area now.

Bhai mian, these monkey were always there. Its just that now, they are more humans living in places where these monkeys were. So infact we have enchroached on their habitat. It's not the otherway around. And to tell you the truth the population of Rhesus Macaques has infact decreased over the last couple of decades due to increased human settlement, pet trade and deforestation in Galliat, Swat and Indus Kohistan. Healthy populations are only found in Galliat, elsewhere the are becoming increasingly uncommon. :ohno: :ohno:

You know what, The Common Hanuman Langur was a pretty common sight in Galiat just 40 years back, just like these Rhesus Macaques. Now there are only 200 of them left in Pakistan. All are extinct from Gallliat, only a small population now survives in Shogran. I am sure you would not like that to happen to these bandars as well.

[UnitedPakistan]

Bhai mian, these monkey were always there. Its just that now, they are more humans living in places where these monkeys were. So infact we have enchroached on their habitat. It's not the otherway around. And to tell you the truth the population of Rhesus Macaques has infact decreased over the last couple of decades due to increased human settlement, pet trade and deforestation in Galliat, Swat and Indus Kohistan. Healthy populations are only found in Galliat, elsewhere the are becoming increasingly uncommon. :ohno: :ohno:
Intresting, but these monkeys really really seem to be everywhere in the valley. We were in Ayubia national park where a few of them actually made us run away!:lol:

[paguma larvata]

Intresting, but these monkeys really really seem to be everywhere in the valley. We were in Ayubia national park where a few of them actually made us run away!:lol:


lo ker lu gul! Yaar you were in a National Park, so what else were expecting besides wildlife. Hot chics in string bikinis:lol: :lol:

Ever been to a National Park in North America? They are full of wildlife. You might even get mugged by a Black Bear around your camp:nuts: :nuts:

[UnitedPakistan]

lo ker lu gul! Yaar you were in a National Park, so what else were expecting besides wildlife. Hot chics in string bikinis:lol: :lol:

Ever been to a National Park in North America? They are full of wildlife. You might even get mugged by a Black Bear around your camp:nuts: :nuts:
I took those pics outside of the national park since I decided against taking my camera. I wanted to enjoy things through first hand experience. Those haramis chased us for quite sometime and hitched a ride in our flatbed truck upto Muzafarabad.:nuts: The locals got all pissed since they got into monkey business almost immediatly!:lol:

[UnitedPakistan]

what you asked him to shoot the damn bandars :ohno: :ohno: Zain yaar tu bara zalim insaan nikla. hehehe:lol: :lol:

He shot one bandar but I am not sure if he actually killed it. I couldnt find the laash of the bandar!:nuts:

But seriously, if you drove all the way from Naran to Ayubia while stopping in Abbottabad for food you would be goddamn pissed man as well. I got there at 1 AM and then couldnt sleep all night because those haramzadday's decided to jump on the tin roof.:bash: So I went outside at 4 AM and I instructed the man to snipe one of those bastards.:lol: And yes I am zalim but I am not a insaan.:) And yes, I was expecting hot chicks with no bikini's on! In fact NOTHING ON!:lol:

[paguma larvata]

He shot one bandar but I am not sure if he actually killed it. I couldnt find the laash of the bandar!:nuts:

But seriously, if you drove all the way from Naran to Ayubia while stopping in Abbottabad for food you would be goddamn pissed man as well. I got there at 1 AM and then couldnt sleep all night because those haramzadday's decided to jump on the tin roof.:bash: So I went outside at 4 AM and I instructed the man to snipe one of those bastards.:lol: And yes I am zalim but I am not a insaan.:) And yes, I was expecting hot chicks with no bikini's on! In fact NOTHING ON!:lol:

muahahahah! your story reminds me of my trip to Kenya. I visited this National Park (Amboseli) and was staying in a campsite. Around 2 a.m, i heard some growling noises coming from behind my tent. Guess what! I lifted the door and found a full grown bloody leopard standing in front of the camp. The next thing i remember was that i felt my pants getting wet. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[UnitedPakistan]

muahahahah! your story reminds me of my trip to Kenya. I visited this National Park (Amboseli) and was staying in a campsite. Around 2 a.m, i heard some growling noises coming from behind my tent. Guess what! I lifted the door and found a full grown bloody leopard standing in front of the camp. The next thing i remember was that i felt my pants getting wet. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
We were trying to get a nightshot of Murree from a isolated part of the forest about a 10 minute walk from the road and vehicle. While I was setting up my equipment my driver was looking behind me looking out for cheetahs. He was soooo scared! He is jaldi jaldi! I am like Baloch sahib I need a bit time. He got so scared at one point he made a run for it after some noises in the forest. I ran with the tripod and the camera still attached as well. Never did get that night pic though!:ohno: When we got to the car we figured out it was those goddamn bandar haramzadday again.:ohno:

[cntower]

Those monkeys were sent down by the devil himself...I also had trouble with them when I was visiting...

[PakFan]

Interesting analysis paguma larvata.

The same problem also affects our neighbour although perhaps in a more real way.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1555106,00.html

[moved_on]

Last time I xchecked Ayubia and Nathiagali were part of Galyat subdivison in NWFP.

Nice pics, cool.

[UnitedPakistan]

Last time I xchecked Ayubia and Nathiagali were part of Galyat subdivison in NWFP.

Nice pics, cool.
If you have not noticed we are not arranging the images like that because it is way too vague.

[chickencurry]

We should seriously release their natural predator so they wont be so many damn bandars! At the Ayubia PTDC they were jumping on the roof all night until I told the guard if he wont shoot the goddamn monkey off the roof I would. And shoot he did!


I cannot believe you shot one of these beautiful creatures just because he was on your (or his?) roof and you could not sleep! :ohno:

[UnitedPakistan]

I cannot believe you shot one of these beautiful creatures just because he was on your (or his?) roof and you could not sleep! :ohno:
Technically, the other guy shot him who was supposed to doing his job of keeping them off the damn roof so people can sleep. You wont understand until you see one of these monkey bastards!:lol:

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[Zoltrix]

Beyond layers of hills, robed with dense forests of oak and pine trees, Bhurban is the most famous hill station of Pakistan.Located at approximately 13 km from Murree Hills and two hours’ drive from Islamabad, it offers its visitors scenic splendor and adventure sports. With billiard rooms, children’s activity centre and options like hiking, trekking or a perfect sun walk down the lane of lush green forests, Bhurban has few peers as a year-round holiday destination. It is also known for a 9-hole golf course, which is a golfer’s delight during the summer season. In winter, the snowflakes sweep down making the town look like a fantastic fairyland of white beauty.

Entry

Air:
Bhurban is two hours’ drive from Islamabad’s international airport, which has all the leading airlines flying in and out of the city. Frequent flights are available for travel, within the country, connecting all the major cities.

Train:
The nearest railway station in Rawalpindi has all the major trains connecting to other cities, like Karachi, Lahore, Multan, Peshawar and Quetta.

Road:
Bhurbun is reachable by a well-conditioned main road in a scenic journey of about two hours through densely wooded hills. Best deals and best buses can be found in Rawalpindi. Long distance buses leave from and arrive at the Pir Wadhai and Daewoo Bus station. Cars too can be rented with a nominal deposit.

Places of Tourist Interest :
Bhurban offers a variety of breath-taking locations - lush green slopes, ridges, moors, streams, brooks and waterfalls. Just a short drive away, you find:
• Murree and its shopping mall.
• Patriata, at 9,000 feet with its chairlifts and cable cars.
• Ayubia - the tallest summit with lift chairs.
• Nathiagali - at 9,500 feet with its natural splendor.
• Tattapani with hot sulphur springs.
• Kohala bridge.
• Muzaffarabad - A gateway to Kashmir

Weather :
Most of the people come to Bhurbun to escape the scorching heat in summers (May – September) while other visit in the winters to enjoy a rare spectacle of snow (November – February) which is a treat to the people living on the plain. Dazzling twilight and cloud effects are daily features during the July and August rains. It is advisable to check current weather before making any arrangements which are dependant on weather conditions.

http://www.southtravels.com/asia/pakistan/pearlcontinentalmurree/index.html

[Zoltrix]

The Concierge helps arranging a wide range of activities from Golf to hiking, as well as indoor and outdoor games, guaranteeing a relaxing and hassle free stay. Spacious landscaped gardens surroundings the hotel on an altitude of 6,200 ft. invite to relax and indulge nature. Northern part of Pakistan, overlooking the panoramic expanse of Kashmir valley built at an altitude of 6200 feet above sea-level. One Hours drive from capital city Islamabad. The whole area is surrounded with beautiful peaks, lush green slopes, pine trees and breathtaking sceneries.

Amenities
Swimming Pool (indoor & outdoor), Fitness Center, Spa/Massage, Fireplace, Hot Tub, Horseback Riding, Jogging Track, Health club, Game room, Wheel chair access, Tennis court, Business center

US$116

[Pakia]

Very well-maintained surprisingly, considering they don't have much competition in the area. Wondering if anyone stayed there and what their experience was?

[transistorized]

Can anybody share the history of this place? Who built this hotel at this scenic spot and when?

[Pakia]

Finally I did manage to find some reviews on the Bhurban Hotel, as it doesn't have a website (wonder why?).

Relieved to see a dozen or so excellent reviews except one gentleman from Peshawar who broke his hand and couldn't get a helicopter :ohno:

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-reviews-382056-action-read-from-1-prod-hotel-ratings_and_reviews-i;_ylt=AhdjGxj119eUaP4W2UZyrusV9boF

[zees]

Finally I did manage to find some reviews on the Bhurban Hotel, as it doesn't have a website (wonder why?).

www.pchotels.com

[Pakia]

Thank you zees . Its a great PC hotel resource website but why should it be so hard to find a website link to these hotels. Not everyone would know its an affiliation of Pearl Continental esp. non-Pakistanis.

Besides they don't show room/suites availability, rates or do online booking.
Its really needed these days to improve bookings for guests who are not members but just occassional tourists and visitors to the town.

[Zoltrix]

Thank you zees . Its a great PC hotel resource website but why should it be so hard to find a website link to these hotels. Not everyone would know its an affiliation of Pearl Continental esp. non-Pakistanis.

Besides they don't show room/suites availability, rates or do online booking.
Its really needed these days to improve bookings for guests who are not members but just occassional tourists and visitors to the town.

I had mentioned this website on my previous post
For rates & online booking
http://www.southtravels.com/asia/pakistan/pearlcontinentalmurree/index.html

[thePakMan]

Wow man nice pictures. A great place to visit. On top of that dual cornage road being built between Islamabad and Murre would give a great boost to tourism industry.

[Edwardes]

I've been to PC Bhurban once only the views are breathtaking! You can stand at your window for hours at a time just looking and never get tired!

[Intoxication]

PC Bhurban is sure worth a visit! :okay:

[zees]

Can anybody share the history of this place? Who built this hotel at this scenic spot and when?

PC is owned by Hashoo group

[spyk]

^^ absolutely breathtaking

you know. we could build a big tourism industry and attract dozens of foreigners if the govt. tries

[zees]

Wow man nice pictures. A great place to visit. On top of that dual cornage road being built between Islamabad and Murre would give a great boost to tourism industry.

Please provide me more info about this road

[doenumberpakistani]

^^

he meant dual carriage way..if there is one being built

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[Abid Siddiqui]

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[Intoxication]

Is this the same Kalabagh where the kalabagh dam was supposed to be built?

[Abid Siddiqui]

Map of Nathiagali

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[KB]

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[brightside.]

Swimming pool at PC Bhurban

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[brightside.]

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[honey4???]

heaven on earth

[KB]

Nice Camera , beautiful shots :okay:

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The trek from Ayubia to Nathiagali (pic by Donga Gali - "The Lovers Street" from flickr)

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[Intoxication]

^^ Wow! Nice pics! Are they yours????

[d@isy47]

Yup I didn’t take these photographs but I want there last year …..
I’ll post some pics of GreenSpot-Nathiagali as well (It’s now closed for visitors)

[d@isy47]

A walk towards greenspot... :cheers:

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[brightside.]

Been there so many times. Love the pics Daisy.

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"A view of Galiyat and Murree Hills from Changla Gali. the interesting thing about the photo is that on the back side of the point where I stood to take this photo, it was raining heavily, while the in front side - as u can see - there are hardly any clouds there."

by NotMicroButSoft

[brightside.]

Bhurban in winter

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[d@isy47]

wowwwwwwww lovely!

[KB]

snow looks beautiful :happy:

[Red aRRow]

Awesome pics!!!!

[charles31]

Unbelievable, I cannot imagine that Pakistan is so beautiful. I think now I must visit Pakistan.

Charles

[Aadil.Aijaz]

^^
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[abidi2009]

^^
:cheers:

Gay??:lol:

[Aadil.Aijaz]

Gay??:lol:

:weirdo: