Time to take a look at Croatian Airports:

Split Airport

http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_1.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_5.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_3.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_2.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_4.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_6.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_7.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_8.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_9.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_10.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_2.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_3.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_4.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_7.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_8.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_9.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_10.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_12.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_in/Velike/sl_16.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Vatrogasci/Velike/sl_1.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Vatrogasci/Velike/sl_8.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Vatrogasci/Velike/sl_9.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_1.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_2.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_3.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_4.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_6.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_7.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_10.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_11.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_13.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_14.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_15.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Stajanka/Velike/sl_16.jpg
http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Ostalo/Velike/sl_1.jpg

Growing Passenger numbers:
http://www.split-airport.hr/Slike/Split_gif/graph_pas_0_4.jpg

Zadar Airport

Zadar airport after years occupation and heavy war damage by Serbian forces was reconstructed and reopened for air traffic a few years ago.

http://www.zadar-airport.hr/img/5b.jpg
http://www.zadar-airport.hr/img/1b.jpg
http://www.zadar-airport.hr/img/2b.jpg
http://www.zadar-airport.hr/img/3b.jpg
http://www.zadar-airport.hr/img/3b.jpg

Dubrovnik Airport

Before the war that brought Yugoslavia to its end, Dubrovnik airport in Croatia was Yugoslavia's second busiest airport. The war saw Serbian forces completely devastate Dubrovnik Airport in its entirety. The good news is that the airport is now fully operational with passenger levels increasing dramatically each year. Dubrovnik airport is close to eclipsing passenger levels to that of Zagreb airport in the nations capital. :)

http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada19_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgradaugradnji_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada1b_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada7_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/izvanazgrada_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada1a_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada29_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada9_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada15_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/prtljaga12_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/zgrada13_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/kafic1_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/duty1_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/duty12_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/duty7_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/duty13_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/oprema14_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/oprema1_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/oprema8_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/avion26_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/pista6_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/avioncina_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/avion23_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/repovi-aviona_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/avion25_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/parking-aviona2_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/parking-aviona_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/crveni-avion_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/kineski-avion2_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/sultan_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/CSA_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/platforma_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/pista9_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/platforma4_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/pista10_jpg.jpg

War Damage Photos
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/ratok3_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat7_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/ratok2_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat9_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat10_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat11_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat6_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat5_jpg.jpg
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/rat8_jpg.jpg

Statistics
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/index_gl_eng.htm

Website
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr

Great pics..
Split looks fantastic... And although it's crowded, it's good to see so many people..

And where are the Pleso pics? And which other cities have apts? Osijek has one right? And Rijeka?

Rijeka airport is located on the island of Krk, 25 km from the city.

http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/DSCI0062.JPG
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0150.jpg
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/DSC2432.JPG
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0161.jpg
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0572.jpg
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0572.jpg
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/DSC02073.JPG
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/DSC02064.JPG
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0568.jpg
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0144.jpg
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/IMG_0147.jpg

Osijek aiport
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/air1.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/air2.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/air3.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/air4.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/air5.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/plane1.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/plane2.jpg
http://www.osijek-airport.hr/images/foto/big/planes1.jpg

Shame that only Zagreb aiport doesn't have photo gallery.

quite nice airpots, I really like Split one, but it looks crowd and small for its traffic, does it have plans of expantion?

http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/slike/images/oprema14_jpg.jpg


This is awesome! :okay: Looks like it could fly like the rest of the planes! :D

Wooow, airport in Split looks amazing, didnt have a clue it was designed like that, btw awesome pics, Astroboy :) I am gonna try to find some photos of Zagreb's airport, no worries :)

Pula Airport

Pula Airport is situated at the southest end of the Istrian peninsula. The airport building of Pula Airport became operational during 1989. The building covers an area of 12.000 m2 and its annual passenger capacity amounts to 1.000.000.

Some photos of the airport :

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/8947/pulaair580qc.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/3500/pulaair37pb.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/6673/pulaair15qw.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/6643/pulaair51wx.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/1678/pulaair74ic.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/2336/pulaair156ud.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/6786/pulaair120gf.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/3015/pulaair138ht.jpg

http://img107.exs.cx/img107/862/pulaair161yc.jpg
:)

Brac Airport

This is our smallest airport, located on island Brac :)
Every year about 35000 passengers with the landing of 750 aircrafts pass through the airport which is a remarkable number considering the fact that it works only over the summer season.

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/5131/bracairport8zo.jpg

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/968/bracair28bv.jpg

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/7630/bracair35ho.jpg

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/9476/bracairport40ma.jpg

Construction of new aiport facilities and buildings :

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/6163/bracairport54fb.jpg

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/5517/bracairport65hx.jpg

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/7599/bracairport454cd.jpg

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/1272/bracairprt63ds.jpg

Pretty cool stuff. I have used both Zagreb and Split airports and I must say I found Split's airport the best one in Croatia. It was nice looking and I agree it was busy and crowded when I used it. However, everything went smootly and we were on the plane and taking off in no time. Their service was great and professional.

Someone find pics on Zagreb. I'll try but it is difficult. Zagreb's Pleso Airport is getting extended and therfore the current airport isnt exactly the best. Its OK, but will be better once its finally enlarged.

let me update this a bit,

Zagreb was always 2nd or larggest airport in former Yugoslavia.

It is largest airport in Croatia, let me give you links for all croatia airports...

http://www.zagreb-airport.hr/
http://www.split-airport.hr/index.htm
http://www.airport-pula.com/en/home/
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/
www.osijek-airport.hr/english.php
www.airport-brac.hr
www.zadar-airport.hr

www.lju-airport.si

few statistics:-) Passanger figures in 000...


1990

Zagreb Airport - 1912
Split Airport - 1152
Dubrovnik Airport - 1268
Pula Airport - 672
Zadar Airport - 364
Rijeka Airport - 52
Osijek Airport - 32
Brac Airport - 30
Losinj Airport - 25
total 5507

Ljubljana - 840

2004

Zagreb 1412
Split 788
Dubrovnik 880
Pula 156
Zadar 72
Rijeka 52
Osijek 32
Brac 30
Losinj 25

Ljubljana - 1048


Zagreb Airport is getting new 150 millionUS$ terminal and second runway in second pahse, as well as new equipmnet and support facilitities - works set to start in early 2006

Dubrovnik, Split and Pula are set to be moderninse and expanded due to limited space and groving capacities at the airports.

:) :cheers: :cheers: :righton: :wave: :runaway:

These are picture of current Zagreb Airport which is being replaced by a completely new terminal that will cater for up to 10 Million passengers annually :) ....

http://slovenia.avsim.net/fotke/ZAGREB/FULLSIZE/20031025-03.JPG

http://slovenia.avsim.net/fotke/ZAGREB/FULLSIZE/20031025-01.JPG

http://slovenia.avsim.net/fotke/ZAGREB/FULLSIZE/20031025-02.JPG

http://slovenia.avsim.net/fotke/ZAGREB/FULLSIZE/20031025-06.JPG

http://img42.exs.cx/img42/6595/zagrebairport16xz.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/8585/zagrebairport49zw.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/8611/zagrebairport333ak.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/5400/zagrebairport219ie.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/1517/zagrebairport55zi.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/4467/zagrebairport349ni.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/2245/zagrebairport547in.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/9080/zagrebariport458tm.jpg

http://img160.exs.cx/img160/7955/zagrebairport559sl.jpg

nice pics sincity, thanx for getting them

Does Pleso, Zagreb's airport have airbridges or do passengers have to board aircraft from the tarmac?

Does Pleso, Zagreb's airport have airbridges or do passengers have to board aircraft from the tarmac?

Each time I had to enter the terminal via tarmac (bus). :D

I cant remember them having airbridges but each time I came off my Croatia Airlines flight I boarded a bus which drove us a distance of 100m to the terminal LOL :D I think this is the process for all flights.

^ :lol: In Belgrade, there are airbridges, but I always have to use the bus, what's the point of airbridges there then? :D

^^^ Never used a bus @ Bgd. apt.


And I don't remember for zagreb.

Zagreb Airport does not have air bridges, it is old style airport, Belgrade and Sarajevo where only airport's in former Yugoslavia with air-bridges.

Belgrade has 11 (14) Air bridges and is able to handle 6-9 million passengers, where’s Sarajevo has 5 Air bridges (half of Sarajevo terminal is under re-pairs when money approved as a result 3 air bridges are out of commission)


Ljubljana and Dubrovnik should get air bridges with in next 3-5 years (Dubrovnik 8 and Ljubljana 7-8 air bridges), not sure what they going to do with Split airport, terminal is far to small to cope with larger traffic, Split could be stretched to handle 1.2 million, future of the airport is at stakes...

Zagreb is getting new Terminal, current terminal's capacity is maximum 2 million, new terminal should be completed by mid 2008 as capacity of current terminal will no longer be able to cope with passenger numbers.

New Zagreb Airport Terminal at first will have only 12-15 air bridges and be able to handle 1200 passengers per hour at peek time, but this might increase to 1500 and daily traffic of 20 000 passengers a day, giving terminal capacity of 7.2 million per year.

Zagreb Airport is expected to handle 3.2 million passengers by 2010.

Ljubljana's plan call for expanding current terminal and construction of 6-7 air bridges giving Ljubljana an annual capacity of 3 million passengers.


Predicted capacities of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Zagreb – 7.2 million
Belgrade – 6 million
Dubrovnik – 4million
Ljubljana – 3.5 million
Split – 2.5 Million
Sarajevo – 2.5 million
Skopje – 2 million
Pula – 1.2 million
Zadar – 1 million
Podgorica – 650 000
Tivat – 650 000
Rijeka – 520 000
Maribor – 500 000
N. Sad – 400 000
Mostar 300 000
Ohrid – 300 000
Nis – 250 000
Osijek – 250 000
Brac – 120 000
Portroz 120 000

Predicted traffic of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Belgrade – 3.5 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 1.8 million
Ljubljana – 1.5 million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Split – 1.25 Million
Sarajevo – 800 000
Pula – 520 000
Zadar – 320 000
Podgorica – 270 000
Tivat – 260 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
N. Sad – 160 000
Mostar 150 000
Osijek – 145 000
Ohrid – 125 000
Banja Luka - 115 000
Nis – 90 000
Brac – 85 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000

Note!. Brac, Losinj and Portoroz are only open during summer months and are not full time airports.

Wasn't Croatia in a big time war just a little while ago? By years I mean? It looks like those countries are cleaning up somehow.

Wasn't Croatia in a big time war just a little while ago? By years I mean? It looks like those countries are cleaning up somehow.

yeah 10 years ago Croatia was at war, but country is at peace now and it is building up - it is popular tourist destination and last year it atracted 10 million tourist to its shores.

It is quite nice place to go for holiday...

Predicted traffic of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Belgrade – 3.5 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 1.8 million
Ljubljana – 1.5 million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Split – 1.25 Million
Sarajevo – 800 000
Pula – 520 000
Zadar – 320 000
Podgorica – 270 000
Tivat – 260 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
N. Sad – 160 000
Mostar 150 000
Osijek – 145 000
Ohrid – 125 000
Banja Luka - 115 000
Nis – 90 000
Brac – 85 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000

Note!. Brac, Losinj and Portoroz are only open during summer months and are not full time airports.

Really impressive figures Mick. Looks like Croatian airports will top the charts in this region. That will mean so many planes in the sky above Croatia. Just hope none fall down.

Predicted capacities of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Zagreb – 7.2 million
Belgrade – 6 million
Dubrovnik – 4million
Ljubljana – 3 million
Split – 2.5 Million
Sarajevo – 2.5 million
Skopje – 2 million
Pula – 1.2 million
Zadar – 1 million
Podgorica – 650 000
Tivat – 650 000
Rijeka – 520 000
Maribor – 500 000
N. Sad – 400 000
Mostar 300 000
Ohrid – 300 000
Nis – 250 000
Osijek – 250 000
Brac – 120 000
Portroz 120 000


Predicted traffic of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Belgrade – 3.5 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 1.8 million
Ljubljana – 1.5 million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Split – 1.25 Million
Sarajevo – 800 000
Pula – 520 000
Zadar – 320 000
Podgorica – 270 000
Tivat – 260 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
N. Sad – 160 000
Mostar 150 000
Osijek – 145 000
Ohrid – 125 000
Banja Luka - 115 000
Nis – 90 000
Brac – 85 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000

Note!. Brac, Losinj and Portoroz are only open during summer months and are not full time airports.


quite nice numbers, it's good to see that the airports will operate with space to grow.


:okay:

Predicted traffic of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Belgrade – 3.5 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 1.8 million
Ljubljana – 1.5 million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Split – 1.25 Million
Sarajevo – 800 000
Pula – 520 000
Zadar – 320 000
Podgorica – 270 000
Tivat – 260 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
N. Sad – 160 000
Mostar 150 000
Osijek – 145 000
Ohrid – 125 000
Banja Luka - 115 000
Nis – 90 000
Brac – 85 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000

Note!. Brac, Losinj and Portoroz are only open during summer months and are not full time airports.
Novi Sad only has a small aerodrome, how could they handle more passengers than places like Mostar, Banja Luka or Nis?

Really impressive figures Mick. Looks like Croatian airports will top the charts in this region. That will mean so many planes in the sky above Croatia. Just hope none fall down.

lol, lets hope none falls

Novi Sad only has a small aerodrome, how could they handle more passengers than places like Mostar, Banja Luka or Nis?

actually all mentioned airports are quite small, and Novi Sad already handles more passengers than Banja Luka and Mostar.

edit : you are riight Novi sad is small very small airport, handled less than 10 000 pasangers last year....

Mostar currently only handles 60 000 passengers a year.
Brac which had no terminal to speak of until this year had 32 000 passengers.

I know it looks absurd and I might be wrong about those smaller airports as they are very unpredictable, it is only my best guess, for larger airports is easier to predict and guess as they have there information published and verified.

With Croatian entry in to EU in 2007/8 the numbers will only raise dramatically, look at places like Portugal, Greece and Spain who all benefited in air traffic after entry in to EU.
:)

Ok, just a minor correction to your data...:)

Podgorica has just kicked off the construction of a new terminal building(10-20 million euro project), it will be built by a Cyprus company, finnished within a year(lets make it two...its the Balkans after all) and be able to handle one million passengers:yes:

Something similar will soon happen in Tivat & Nis.

Ok, just a minor correction to your data...:)

Podgorica has just kicked off the construction of a new terminal building(10-20 million euro project), it will be built by a Cyprus company, finnished within a year(lets make it two...its the Balkans after all) and be able to handle one million passengers:yes:

Something similar will soon happen in Tivat & Nis.

U got any pics? design sketches, I know Podgorica handled just under 300 000 passengers last year and is excepted to go over 300 000 this year but no pics of Podgorica airport.

Some Revisions are needed and to make it fair I researched some more data on Podgorica and Tivat airport and therefore I will adjust predictions for those 2 airports as well as Pula airport.

Predicted traffic of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Belgrade – 3.8 million
Zagreb – 3.25 million
Dubrovnik – 2.1 million
Ljubljana – 1.65 million
Split – 1.55 Million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Sarajevo – 1 000 000
Pula – 720 000
Tivat – 680 000
Zadar – 520 000
Podgorica – 490 000
Rijeka – 320 000
Ohrid – 180 000
Osijek – 125 000
Mostar 120 000
Banja Luka - 110 000
Nis – 95 000
Brac – 85 000
Maribor – 52 000
Portroz 32 000
N. Sad – 30 000
Losinj - 25 000

Note!. Brac, Losinj and Portoroz are only open during summer months and are not full time airports.

Predicted capacities of airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010.

Zagreb – 8.2 million
Belgrade – 6.5 million
Dubrovnik – 4million
Ljubljana – 3.2 million
Split – 2.5 Million
Sarajevo – 2.5 million
Skopje – 2 million
Pula – 1.5 million
Zadar – 1 million
Podgorica – 1 million
Tivat – 1 million
Rijeka – 520 000
Mostar 300 000
Ohrid – 300 000
Nis – 250 000
Osijek – 250 000
Maribor – 250 000
Brac – 120 000
Portroz 120 000
N. Sad – 120 000

Current traffic at airports listed (data for 2004)...

Zagreb 1 408 000
Dubrovnik 880 000
Split 788 000
Pula 156 000
Zadar 72 000
Rijeka 52 000
Brac 35 000
Osijek 32 000
Losinj 15 000

Ljubljana - 1 048 000
Portorose - 12 000
Maribor 5800

Belgrade - 2 013 000
Tivat - 366 000
Podgorica - 292 000
Pristina - 134 000
Nis - 64 000
N. Sad - 14 000

Sarajevo - 445 000
Mostar 52 000
B. Luka - 45 000

Skopje - 908 000
Ohrid - 92 000

the data for smaller airports is very hard to get by, but if you think I am wrong is some respect plz post your opinion and I will try to research bit better
:cheers:

any news on Croatian airports?

Zagreb Airport new Air-Traffic control, - construction started in 2003 and completion date is May 2005.

http://www.topicglazure.hr/images/dsc00497.jpg
http://www.topicglazure.hr/images/dsc00503.jpg

Croatian Airline is to receive 2 new A320-200 this year one is to join fleet in March and one in May.

Deliveries of 3 more A319 is expected in 2006, bringing total to 15 Aircrafts for CA.

CA is excepted to transport 1.72 million passengers in 2005.

Mike, where did you find these informations? I didn't know that.

Mike, where did you find these informations? I didn't know that.

Croatian Airlines, - go to there website and look for press release or new aircrafts.

Original plan way back in 1998 when Croatia signed deal with Airbus was for 12 Airbus aircrafts, - but Croatia at the time only got 7, and left option opened for rest to be received after 2005.

On Croatian Airlines site they already stated they got new Aircraft joining the fleet, one in March and one presumably in May or early June.

I thought they might have said something on Croatian TV?

I assume they going to get - 3 A319 in 2006 or latest 2007,.
CA has originally planed to have 5A320 200 and 7 A319 100.
They also plan to get 5 new regional jets and sell of there ATR - 42.
CA plans to do this before the end of this decade, (ATR 42 are now 12 years old).
:) :cheers:

Well done Mick. :)

You are a wealth of aviation information.

What does currently CA have?

hi ya ppl, just few news,

Croatian Airlines to lease one more Aircraft totalling fleet of 12 Aircraft by May 1st.
Fleet should look like this by May 1st.
5A319 -150
4 A320 -200
3 ATR 42-500

more info on this follow the link (sorry in Croatian)

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroo...248519/index.do

CA is excepted to carry 1.7 million passengers this year, it already carried over 320 000 Passengers in first 3 moths of this year.

CA is hoping to improve on last record year when it carried 1.56 million passengers and made over 320 million US$. CA is confident in its optimistic figures to have 1.26 million passengers between - April and October...

CA revenue are excepted to reach 2BnHRK or 356 millUS$ in 2005, Profits for the Airline are excepted to be slightly better than last year. 2005 will be 6th consecutive year for CA to finished with profits.

What does currently CA have?

took me while to find this thread:-(

10 Aircraft before march, 11 aircrafts now and 12th will be joining soon on may 1st, read my article and vjesnik to... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Great news Mick. Do you think there will be anymore additions to their fleet before the end of 2005?

How many more planes will they add in perhaps 2006?

Great news Mick. Do you think there will be anymore additions to their fleet before the end of 2005?

How many more planes will they add in perhaps 2006?


Croatian Airlines just got bigger by 2 planes, A319 100 and 1 A320 200, there are are plans to get 3 more aircrafts by 2008 bringing CA to size of 15 Aircrafts,

Current CA Fleet:
4 A320 200
5A319 100
3 ATR42 -300

Passenger figures are also set to hit 1.7 million in 2005 and Annual turnover over 300millSU$.
CA profits last year where 7mill$ net and CA is one of few airlines from Central and Eastern Europe which are making profits. Other is Adria Airways and Czech Air is also hoping to join this exclusive club.

CA long terms plans are to have fleet of 20-25 aircrafts and primarily concentrate on short to medium hull flights,
Fleet in 2010/12 might look something like this:

7 A320 - 200 (capacity 150 to 164 passengers)
8 A 319 - 100 (capacity 124 to 144 passengers)
5 CRJ 700 (capacity 54 to 72 passengers)

http://photos.airliners.net/middle/9/3/6/806639.jpg

note German flag on the Aircraft, this A319 100 is being lased from Lufthansa, CA's strategic partner and member of airline alliance.

Some photos of Zagreb Pleso Airport

Approach...
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/8455/zagrebairportapproch9kr.jpg
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/4983/plesozagrebfromtheair5ag.jpg
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/5324/plesolineupca9qy.jpg
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/7294/plesofromafar0ua.jpg
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/5603/lineupmorningshoot1er.jpg


Split Airport
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/6233/splitairportapprochfromsea4py.jpg
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/3858/splitairport8aj.jpg

Split Airport new passenger terminal (planded 2012) - sorry for my Picasso, lol :)
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8479/splitairortexpansionplans0zp.jpg

green - New Apron
Blue New Terminal and taxiway


Zadar Airport
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/4623/zadarairport5bz.jpg
note the line up of CL415 fire bombers on right across the road where military side of the airport is located.

Ljubljana Airport - just to show where new terminal will be constructed...
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/5471/brnikairportljubljanasketch4gg.jpg

Immages provided by http://www.airliners.net

Dubrovnik Airline (Dubrovnik) has officially been launched today by Croatian shipping company Atlantska Plovidba. It will start operations in spring using two ex-Alitalia (AZ/Rome Fiumicino) MD-82s.
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/5646/dubrovnikair8fk.jpg

http://www.dnevnik.com.hr/index.php?article=6042

Air Adratic is based in Rijeka and Pula
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/1816/adriaticair3xw.jpg

Adriatic Air has also taken delivery of its 6th Aircraft totalling fleet of 6 MD82 aircrafts all from All Italia.

North Adria Aviation
http://photos.airliners.net/middle/9/1/0/748019.jpg

Croatian Civil Airliners as it stands

Croatian Airlines
4 A320 200
5A319 100
3 ATR 42 300

Air Adriatic
6 MD 82

Trade Air (Osijek)
3 Let 410

Dubrovnik Airlines
2 MD 82

North Adria Airways
2 Let 410

none related, I had a visitor this summer before I went to States on holiday, it was of course mr. Squirrel
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/6702/squirrel223cn.jpg
http://img207.exs.cx/img207/4103/squirrel1222on.jpg

I was redecorating my flat (apartment) and installed new kitchen, new bathroom, skylights and all new in bedrooms and dining and living room, central and under floor heating - works lasted all summer (started in August and finished in mid October) and almost every day I had this little Squirrel coming to my window and one day I decided to take a pic of it... :)

The pics havent come thru. Pity, wanted to see the planes of Dubrovnik Airlines and Adriatic Air.

Much better. :)

Cute squirrel Mick! LOL :)

Well, I didn'd know we have 5 airliners! Great!

Nice pics of squirrel, Mic! I only have cockroachs in my apartment :D

Nice pics of squirrel, Mic! I only have cockroachs in my apartment :D

lol, lmao,

I almost asked you take pics - :lol: :hilarious

Nice pics of squirrel, Mic! I only have cockroachs in my apartment :D

I have them and also spiders everywhere. I could spend the whole year killing them and still get nowhere. :D I really hate the spiders that are almost as big as your hand. They always come in after it rains :ohno:

Mick, dont forget the Croatian Infrastructure thread in Euroscrapers. Thats one place to update things as well. :)

I have them and also spiders everywhere. I could spend the whole year killing them and still get nowhere. :D I really hate the spiders that are almost as big as your hand. They always come in after it rains :ohno:

yack, I hate spiders, as a kid I would catch them and take there legs or put 2 spiders on same web and let them fight it off (very poisonous ones large with yellow back and white and black stripes and ones with cross), or absolute laugh I would put them in nest of yellow ants,... lol

My neighbour is way scared of spiders, I mean she would come knocking at 12 (late at night) if she seen even smallest of the small spiders in her flat, I often have to move about 2thirds of her flat to find the culprit, lol...

And than she won't sleep in her flat and sleeps in my second guest bedroom, lol, ridicules to the point I asked her to take hypnosis.

I know you have like red backs and funnel web spiders which are very poisonous, could kill, and other are really big ones hand sized but are not so dangerous, more like what we call here house spiders which hunt mites and small insects.


Sorry to change the subject any news on Croatian airports front, there was an article recently about Dubrovnik Airport getting expanded and getting sky bridges, anyone knows about this story, anyone from Dubrovnik here ?

yack, I hate spiders, as a kid I would catch them and take there legs or put 2 spiders on same net and let them fight it off (very poisonous ones large with yellow back and white and black stripes and ones with cross), or absolute laugh I would put them in nest of yellow ants,... lol

My neighbour is way scared of spiders, I mean she would come knocking at 12 (late at night) if she seen even smallest of the small spiders in her flat, I often have to move about 2thirds of her flat to find the culprit, lol...

And than she want sleep in her flat and sleeps in my second guest bedroom, lol, ridicules the point I asked her to take hypnosis.

I know you have like red backs and funnel web spiders which are very poisonous could kill, and other are really big ones hand sized but are not so dangerous, more like what we call here house spiders which hunt mites and small insects.


Sorry to change the subject any news on Croatian airports front, there was an article recently about Dubrovnik Airport getting expanded and getting sky bridges, anyone knows about this story, anyone from Dubrovnik here ?

The Huntsman is the large harmless spider but its size scares the shit out of most people. I have a bad habit of leaving my car parked outside with the windows open to which I got the nastiest surprise in my life one morning.

Racing to work one morning I noticed a Huntsman spider from the corner of my eye running across the car dashboard. My jaw dropped and I begged for it to not jump onto the sterring column and it did ..... down onto my leg.

I slammed on the brakes and went to a screeching stop and jumped out screaming like a lunatic. Lucky no cars were driving behind me :D I spent ages trying to coax it out of the car which was sitting in the middle of the street. LMAO :D

Anyway ...... I havent heard anything further on any airports being upgraded.

There was an article in Vecernji List about the planned 2nd runway for Zagreb airport. It was just a study about the possibility and it mentioned that a lot of housing in a nearby suburb would have to get knocked down as it would be too close to the runway. Here is the link, let me know if you need anything clarified :) .......

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/263631/index.do

The Huntsman is the large harmless spider but its size scares the shit out of most people. I have a bad habit of leaving my car parked outside with the windows open to which I got the nastiest surprise in my life one morning.

Racing to work one morning I noticed a Huntsman spider from the corner of my eye running across the car dashboard. My jaw dropped and I begged for it to not jump onto the sterring column and it did ..... down onto my leg.

I slammed on the brakes and went to a screeching stop and jumped out screaming like a lunatic. Lucky no cars were driving behind me :D I spent ages trying to coax it out of the car which was sitting in the middle of the street. LMAO :D

Anyway ...... I havent heard anything further on any airports being upgraded.

There was an article in Vecernji List about the planned 2nd runway for Zagreb airport. It was just a study about the possibility and it mentioned that a lot of housing in a nearby suburb would have to get knocked down as it would be too close to the runway. Here is the link, let me know if you need anything clarified :) .......

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/263631/index.do



lol, yhea that's one, seen it when I was in ozz, my m8 took it and handled it, put as a joke on one of our friends, he killed it immediately, throw it on a ground and poor think died, well to make sure he jumped on it like 50 times on it, lol, other m8' was saying it is harmless and friend replied if I do your girlfriend in a shower it would be harmless, lol :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious


Anyways about second runway let me read first , and yes from pics you can ce let me show it to you, ...

http://img207.exs.cx/img207/3357/plesozagrebfromtheaircolor4fq.jpg

http://img207.exs.cx/img207/8242/zagrebairportapprochcolor4ez.jpg

would need to be knocked down, and all cleared for support structures, it should have never been allowed for the houses to be built so close to the airport in first place...

anyways it is probably best option to knock down all this places, and in return house them somewhere more appropriate.

Project such as this would be costly about 15 million SU$ for a runway and about another 15 million for apron and taxiway. But As Croatian Government has 500 million Euros left for all Airports in Croatia (only 25million so far spent of original 525 million) I think it is feasible for the project to be finished by 2009/10.

New terminal should be also complete by May 2008 and it will be 200 million$ project not 125 million as first thought out in 2001.

Primarily cose Zagreb 2nd terminal will have capacity of 8-10 million passengers and current terminal has max capacity of 2 million and this s stretching it by extreme, you can ce how small the terminal is...

Ok guys, air update, it looks like Airlines in Croatia sprung out like mushrooms after the rain, new airline has just been lunched, it is called Sun Adria and atm it has only one aircraft Fokker 100.

Sun Adria is based in Zagreb, and operate primarily Air Charter services during summer months and scheduled flights during winter. Sun Adria is part of Trade Air, which is also based in Zagreb.

Croatia Airlines has now 3 other domestic airlines in competition, at least for charter services,.

Sun Adria - Based in Zagreb - (1Fokker 100 - 108 passengers, 3 Let 410 - 19 passengers)
Dubrovnik Airlines - Based in Dubrovnik - (2MD82 - 166 passengers)
Air Adriatic - Based in Pula - (2 MD81, 4MD82 - 166 Passengers)

North Adria Airways - based in Rijeka, (2 Lets 410 - 24 passengers)
Sun Adria - Based in Zagreb - (1Fokker 100 - 108 passengers)
Dubrovnik Airlines - Based in Dubrovnik - (2MD82 - 166 passengers)
Adriatic Air - Based in Pula - (6MD82 - 166 Passengers)

http://ww2.planepictures.net/32/23/1113153075.jpg
http://ww2.planepictures.net/6/33/1034952394.jpg
http://members.lycos.nl/uitwijkers/liveries/n491gx.jpg
http://members.lycos.nl/uitwijkers/liveries/9abte.jpg

Those houses in the vicinity of the proposed second runway were illegally built so they cannot argue if the bulldozers come. As you may be aware the Croatian government has taken a hard handed approach to anything illegally built without local council approval. If they are infringing on the proposed second runway then they will simply be knocked down.

I would love it if we could somehow get more info on the new Zagreb Airport. Its of those elusive projects almost impossible to dig up some info. :(

Those houses in the vicinity of the proposed second runway were illegally built so they cannot argue if the bulldozers come. As you may be aware the Croatian government has taken a hard handed approach to anything illegally built without local council approval. If they are infringing on the proposed second runway then they will simply be knocked down.

I would love it if we could somehow get more info on the new Zagreb Airport. Its of those elusive projects almost impossible to dig up some info. :(



hope LF has some time and takes pics one of these days...

In regards to illegal housing, I agree but ppl must go somewhere I think 700-800 families will need some alternate accommodation, say large new-built housing few kilometres away in V Gorica or Busin. Cost of this relocation could be in excess of 40million Euros - someone must pay for this I guess, it would partly be paid by ppl who are being evicted...

:)

New Airport Terminal to be built in Zagreb.
Zagreb Airport is to receive new terminal capacity up to10 million passengers.
New terminal to be built on present land occupied by Air Force Base, international tenders for new terminal will be invited for the design of new terminal with specification for minimum of 12-15 Air bridges (gates) and minimum capacity of terminal in excess of 8 million passengers.


Zagreb Airport currently handles an traffic of 1.5 million passengers in its small and unsophisticated terminal which currently can't handle more passenger numbers, in 1990 terminal handled maximum capacity of 2 million passengers and it was evident way than new terminal was required. War halted any future plans of expansion.

http://img207.exs.cx/img207/8455/zagrebairportapproch9kr.jpg

In 1997 Zagreb Airport got green light from Croatian Government to make study for new airport terminal in vicinity of present terminal and Dutch firm NACO - http://www.naco.nl/ which specialises with airport infrastructure has completed an study in 1997 which called for smaller terminal of 4.5 million passengers with 11 Air bridges.

This plans have now been revised and a terminal of 8 million passenger capacity is required, terminal with 15/16 air bridges and at least 40 check in desks will be a minimum requirement.


Croatian Airlines new Hanger Facilities, and NACO planed New airport terminal - now obsolete.
http://www.naco.nl/photo/zagreb_1.jpg
http://195.29.226.238/uploads/imgs/200312/20031202122352plan.jpg

New Airport Terminal is excepted to cost 1Bn HRK (178.5 million US$) and construction is expected to start in early March/April 2006. It is excepted the terminal will have areas for only EU passengers and all other passengers will use separate check in system, primarily to comply with EU Maastricht and Schengen Agreements as to speed up passenger processing and increase security at the airport. Croatia is excepted to join EU in 2008 or January 1st. 2009 at the latest.

2nd Airport runway is also planed and construction of 3.5km x55m runway is excepted to start sometimes in 2007 and to be complete in 2009. New Cargo terminal 12 000 square meters is also planed and construction if this facilities is excepted to start sometimes in 2008.

Croatian Airlines facilities at the Airport will also expand and new Hanger 124x84m is planed and is construction is excepted to start in 2008 along with cargo terminal.

Zagreb Airport already got brand new Air Traffic control. In all investment at new Airport at Zagreb will cost no less than 2Bn. HRK or 357million US$ when completed.

Croatian Government is paying for 55% of all cost and Zagreb Airport will required to raise rest of the funds with international or domestic lenders.



New Air traffic Control at Zagreb Airport.
http://www.topicglazure.hr/images/dsc00497.jpg
http://www.topicglazure.hr/images/dsc00503.jpg

Cool bananas Mick! :banana:

Cool bananas Mick! :banana:

lol, thanx you are welcomed, glad to be of assistance... :cheers:

Just to update about Zagreb Airport, this is first time I had a good Ariel view of the Airport part and as a result could do some drawings of future terminal its location and 2nd runway.

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/7079/zagrebwithairportinclearview4c.jpg

as result of 2nd runway much of the present infrastructure will be demolished and roads will move some 500m away from present runway.

In all project for second runway will cost no less than 25 million Euros, and this dose not include demolishing all settlements and roads illegally built on airport land.

New airport Terminal will have 57 000sqm about 4 times the size of present terminal and will have 11-15 gates with passenger terminal capacity in region of 8 million passengers.

Bump.

Rekordan broj, čak 17.000 putnika u samo jednom danu, potvrdio je ove sezone, više nego ikada do sada, potrebu Zračne luke Split za što hitnijim proširenjem stajanke, koja je napravljena još 1966. godine, a prije 12 godina neznatno proširena. Tada su u Resnik slijetali zrakoplovi sa svega 50-ak putnika, a danas su sve češći s više od 300 putnika.

- Najprometnije su subote pa je tako u pet subota ostvaren promet kao i u svih 25 dana u srpnju. Da bismo uspjeli otpremiti toliki broj putnika i prihvatiti velike zrakoplove, morali smo uložiti znatno više napora u organizaciju rada. Uz 380 stalnih zaposlili smo i 50-ak sezonaca. No, posebno je došao do izražaja ograničen kapacitet stajanke - rekao je dr. Slavko Roguljić, voditelj prometno-tehničkog sektora Zračne luke Split, i dodao kako im je to sada prioritet.

Počeli su izradu idejnog projekta, a o početku radova i visini ulaganja još je rano govoriti. S obzirom na stroge međunarodne propise, koji traže gotovo vodoravnu površinu i nagib tla u Resniku, ulaganje će zasigurno biti pozamašno. Za sada je sigurno jedino da bi radovi trebali završiti 2008. godine. Inače, u posljednje dvije godine u proširenje i rekonstrukciju putničkog terminala uloženo je 50 milijuna kuna.

U prvih sedam mjeseci ove godine 551.000 putnika prošla je kroza zračnu luku u Resniku, a ostvareno je povećanje od gotovo 18 posto u usporedbi s istim razdobljem prošle godine.
- Do kraja godine očekujemo oko 900.000 putnika, čime ćemo dosegnuti predratnu 1989. godinu. Očekivali smo porast, ali ne toliki, i sigurno je da smo više nego zadovoljni ovogodišnjim prometom - rekao je dr. Roguljić.

Rekordna 1987. godina, kada je zabilježeno 1,125.000 putnika, više nije tako nedostižna. Razlika je u omjeru međunarodnog i domaćeg prometa, što je i razumljivo s obzirom na broj putnika iz bivše države. Prije rata međunarodni putnici činili su svega pet posto više prometa nego domaći, a sada je udio stranaca 80 posto. Posljednje dvije godine osobito je porastao broj putnika iz skandinavskih zemalja, odakle subotom doleti i do 16 zrakoplova.

Slijede ih Britanci i Nijemci. Putnike dočekuje dobro održavan zeleni okoliš, s ukrasnim stablima i travom, a najviše pozornosti privlači maslinik s oko 600 stabala. U Resniku su prije 14 godina počeli saditi masline i tada su bili prvi među našim zračnim lukama.

Prošle su godine imali 390 litara ekstra djevičanskog ulja koje posebno flaširaju i daruju poslovnim partnerima. Dva su puta čak dobili nagrade za kvalitetu. Preko piste u Resniku u prvih je sedam mjeseci ove godine prošlo 4857 zrakoplova, što je 13 posto više nego u istom razdoblju prošle godine, dok se broj putnika povećao čak 18 posto.

Splitski je aerodrom prvi u Hrvatskoj nedavno omogućio putnicima da se samostalno registriraju za let i time djelomično rasteretio šaltere, a otvorena su i dva nova međunarodna izlaska pa ih je sada ukupno šest.

http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050816/pos-resnik-txt.jpg

News about Split Airport, my Croatian is not as good so my translation won't be so accurate, but it says that Split Airport had 18% more passengers in first 6 months and that it is excepted about 900 000 passengers to use Split Airport. An investment in to enlarging apron (stajanka ?) and Terminal building to cope with more traffic and passengers...

Next year it is expected Split Airport to achieve its pre-war figures and attract over 1.1 million passengers thought its gates...
To achieve this and expand the terminal - an investment of 50 million Euros has been secured and it is planed airport will be expanded to meet next challenges it faces...

Airport is 3rd largest in Croatia and during summer months it does most of its business, whilst during winter months traffic thought the airport rarely goes over 30%...

http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_1.jpg

Split Airport currently has capacity of only 1 million passengers...

http://www.split-airport.hr/album/Putnicka_out/Velike/sl_10.jpg

interesting... :)

Shalom

']interesting... :)

Shalom

תודה, תקוה שאתה מבקר אותנו בקרוב

shalom

Dubrovnik Airport handled million passengers in first 9 moths of 2005, this is an increase of nearly 25% on last year, airport is excepted to handle 1.2 million this year and 2 million passengers by the end of 2008..

To achieve envisaged plans Dubrovnik Airport plans to invest in expansion of passenger terminal, construction of 4* or 5* hotel and economic zone adjacent to the airport which will/could increase airport's other actives, cargo transport... Investment planed is in excess of 50€ million, 500 new jobs would also be created directly at the airport and another 1000 in services...
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Hello

Here is my vision of Pleso development.

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5224/ldza7lm.jpg

In RTL news a few month ago they had a report about Pleso and some guy showed master plan on camera. It was only for a few seconds,but enough for me to see the location of the runway and terminal. I don t remember the locations of the taxiways,but they will most likely look like this. CTN hangar will also most likely be across the way of the existing one. ATC and the administration is just my imagination,but they could easely be placed there.

Tel me what you think.


P.S.
Project such as this would be costly about 15 million SU$ for a runway and about another 15 million for apron and taxiway. But As Croatian Government has 500 million Euros left for all Airports in Croatia (only 25million so far spent of original 525 million) I think it is feasible for the project to be finished by 2009/10.

What are you thalking about? What 525mil?

P.P.S.
2nd Airport runway is also planed and construction of 3.5km x55m runway is excepted to start sometimes in 2007 and to be complete in 2009. New Cargo terminal 12 000 square meters is also planed and construction if this facilities is excepted to start sometimes in 2008

Where did you hear that the constuctions on the new runway will start in 2007.?

Helo

Here is my vision of Pleso development.

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5224/ldza7lm.jpg

In RTL news a few month ago they had a report about Pleso and some guy showed master plan on camera. It was only for a few seconds,but enough for me to see the location of the runway and terminal. I don t remember the locations of the taxiways,but they will most likely look like this. CTN hangar will also most likely be across the way of the existing one. ATC and the administration is just my imagination,but they could easely be placed there.

Tel me what you think.


P.S.


What are you thalking about? What 525mil?


P.P.S.


Where did you hear that the constuctions on the new runway will start in 2007.?

1st.http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inimr-ri.nsf/en/gr111440e.html

2nd. Vecerni List, If I remember well and Iskon.hr

Helo

Here is my vision of Pleso development.

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5224/ldza7lm.jpg

In RTL news a few month ago they had a report about Pleso and some guy showed master plan on camera. It was only for a few seconds,but enough for me to see the location of the runway and terminal. I don t remember the locations of the taxiways,but they will most likely look like this. CTN hangar will also most likely be across the way of the existing one. ATC and the administration is just my imagination,but they could easely be placed there.

Tel me what you think.



great plan, looks much better than my original design (ok it was a guess, lol)

I tought there was some fond with 525mil. But this money is coming from the budget. Only the spending is limited to 525mil. Correct me if I m wrong.

As for the new runway,Vecernji,Vijesnik,Iskon,Index........they all tend to write stuf without thinking. At the time they allso wrote thet Zg will have a new teminal by 2003. and runway by 2005.! Tell me when did you read this? If it s not that long ago,there may even be some truth behind these claims.
Don t get me wrong. If somebody would ask me,I would build it tomorow! But you know our goverments policy:"The longer you wait for something,the sweeter it is when you finaly get it" :wallbash:

I tought there was some fond with 525mil. But this money is coming from the budget. Only the spending is limited to 525mil. Correct me if I m wrong.

As for the new runway,Vecernji,Vijesnik,Iskon,Index........they all tend to write stuf without thinking. At the time they allso wrote thet Zg will have a new teminal by 2003. and runway by 2005.! Tell me when did you read this? If it s not that long ago,there may even be some truth behind these claims.
Don t get me wrong. If somebody would ask me,I would build it tomorow! But you know our goverments policy:"The longer you wait for something,the sweeter it is when you finaly get it" :wallbash:


lol, I agree, it was quite recent, I guess this post was posted sometimes in April, I know lol, well it was this year..

As to 525 million, well I assume it is part of Croatian budget which going to be spent over 10 years for all of Croatian Airport, you have to understand this money is most likely dispersed among 7-8 Airports in Croatia and allocated as projects demand, I assume over next 10 years, well 8 years now... New Air Traffic Control in Zagreb coasted about 50million, than some work done on Zagreb airport was in region of 5 million, Pula and Zadar new airport terminals must have been in region of 20 mill each, new Brac Airport terminal about 10 mill, now works are going on Dubrovnik and Split airports this is set to cost in region of 80 million for both airports, than refurbishments for all airports and new navigational equipment must have coasted another 100 million, what's left - O yes Zagreb Airport runway was upgraded to Cat 3 I think, and that must have been very costly - say about another 5million, and if we add all this, about 290€ million, what's left - about 235€ million, about 200€ million being spent at Zagreb Airport, and leftover over in rest of the country... But this is over next 8 years..

Don't forget, Croatian government announced plans to build several small airports and heliports on Hvar, Krk, Pag, Korcula and Vis...
All this is part of this original plan from 2002...

as to Vecernji list I couldn't agree more... they are bunch of twats, they make up stories to print more newspapers... Lately I like to confirm stuff through direct contact with ppl in charge... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Thanx for the info.

The goverment said that they will finance 55% of the new terminal,so that is about 60mil,and then there is the new runway. 15mil for construction and another 40mil for relocation of those idiots in ilegal houses. Am I right?
How much will the new cargo terminal cost?

Thanx for the info.

The goverment said that they will finance 55% of the new terminal,so that is about 60mil,and then there is the new runway. 15mil for construction and another 40mil for relocation of those idiots in ilegal houses. Am I right?
How much will the new cargo terminal cost?


Don't know, but Belgrade one coasted about 60 million, I'd expect anything below 30 million would be absurd, you'd get only shack for a less.. lol
I don't know, I know new terminal should cost in region of 125€ million, but everything else is who knows, to give you some guide price, new Warsaw Passenger Terminal now being built (21 gates - sky bridges) was 600 million Zloty, or about 160€ million, from what I understand (some one told me on this forum) massive apron (about 550x55m) was also included in the price, which is amazing...

I think If Zagreb Airport at least looks at Warsaw Airport plans and costs, they might re-evaluate exactly how to go about new terminal and include all benefits Poles can teach them, I am sure new terminal in Zagreb which suppse be about 12-16 Sky Bridges should not need to cost more than 100€ million unless they got bigger terminal say 70-80 000sqm, in which case they could put up to 20 sky bridges and not need to worry for next 20 years about building extension to new terminal.. With EU membership and low cost airlines, tourism and so on, are all factors which would play major role in Zagreb Airports future, just look at Budapest, Warsaw..

Warsaw constructed new passenger terminal in 1995 with 3.5 million capacity, only 7 years later they need to knock this terminal down to build new terminal for 12 million passengers, lol, right now Warsaw is handling 8.5 million passengers, and this is all due to the Lot, and low cost airlines which land at Warsaw, in less than decade Warsaw Airport has tripled its traffic figures, sorry quadrupled from 2.25 million in 1996 to 9.2 million in 2005 (planed)...

I think Okice (Frederick Chopin Airport) will reach its maximum capacity with in next 7-8 years new airport for Warsaw would be a must...



40mil for relocation of those idiots in ilegal houses.


Don't know how many ppl there are, but 700 houses need to be knocked down, how they going to sort this out, I am lost, can they just show up with bulldozers and knock down ppl houses, do they give them say 6 months notice, how does this thing work?

I know they need to build 2nd runway and they need to do it quite fast, before Croatia joins EU, Airport must decided on 2nd runway and construction should start otherwise Zagreb Airport might be classified as unsafe by EU, main national airports must have 2 runways as a matter of safety reasons...

Than what is going to happen with Air force base, lol,

Are they moving it to Lucko?

Perhaps they going to move down to Zadar, I think Zadar has what 2-3 runways and massive military base there, should be fine...

Zadar has 2 runways. As for relocating the airforce there,I don t think so,beacuse Zadar is wery far away. MiG-s don t have the range to cover the whole of Croatia from there. Maybe they could do what I did in my drawing-relocate those small aprons for MiG-s to the west. The only other loss would be one of the bunkers on the north.

I know they need to build 2nd runway and they need to do it quite fast, before Croatia joins EU, Airport must decided on 2nd runway and construction should start otherwise Zagreb Airport might be classified as unsafe by EU, main national airports must have 2 runways as a matter of safety reasons...

What about Luxemburg? Where does it say that all capitals have to have 2 runways.

^there isn't a rule as such, but EU recommends need for 2 runways primarily due to the safety concerns, btw Luxemburg is close to 3-4 major airports (less than 100 miles away)...

Evo jedna poslastica (clipper-croatian aviation forum):

http://img447.imageshack.us/img447/2849/plesomasterplan0zn.jpg

ovo je sken iz Nacionala od 18.05.2004. uz tekst povodom dogovora nase vrhuske o ustupanju vojnog zemljista za izgradnju novog terminala. evo najzanimljivijih dijelova clanka:

"Dogovoreno je da se novi putnicki terminal gradi na dosadasnjem drzavnom zemljistu koje su koristili pripadnici HRZ-a, posade MiG-ova i helikoptera MI-8 i MI-24. S obzirom na skori ulazak Hrvatske u NATO, veliku redukciju u ratnom zrakoplovstvu i sadasnje stanje u kojem gotovo ni jedan zrakoplov ne leti niti je u operativnoj funkciji na Plesu, lokacija za novu zgradu zracne luke posve je opravdana. To vise sto se ne otkupljuje privatno zemljiste koje bi poskupjelo izgradnju za 40 milijuna eura...

Nacional doznaje da ce novi putnicki terminal biti na 47.000 cetvornih metara i u prvoj fazi do 2010. predvidja se promet 3 milijuna putnika godisnje, za razliku od sadasnjih 1,3 milijuna, ukupno 41.000 slijetanja i polijetanja, sto je 30 posto vise nego danas, a robni promet iznosit ce 26.000 tona, triput vise nego ove godine...

"U prvoj fazi izgradila bi se dvoetazna zgrada s 11 aviomostova, a stajanka bi mogla prihvatiti 21 zrakoplov uz postojanje brojnih staza za voznju... Postojeca lokacija ima niz nedostataka: nedovoljna sirina prostora, neodgovarajuci sigurnosni razmaci i probijanje zastitnih povrsina, jednoetazna centralizirana tehnoloska koncepcija putnicke zgrade i nemogucnost izgradnje potrebnih sadrzaja", istaknuo je direktor Matkovic.

Ako se novi putnicki terminal pocne graditi krajem godine, nova bi zracna luka mogla biti gotova do pocetka 2008..."


btw, autocesta bi trebala ici uz prugu kroz veliku mlaku, a cvor ce se raditi kod micevca

Here is another Google earth adon, and this time is the real master plan!

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Cat/0/Number/172734/an/0/page/0/gonew/1#UNREAD

^ great work Mate, I think new terminal will/should resemble Munich Airport, although this terminal is not bad it takes to much space and dose not allow for future expansion...

Unless old (present) terminal gets knocked down and on that land they build 2nd massive terminal, 1.5 km long with about 30-32 sky bridges way in the future...

PS, I think this was original NACO master plan from 1998 - it was abandoned and new master plan is in workings, I'll try to dig something out when more info is available...

Šta god gradili bit će bolje od ovog užasa sada!

Dakle,pričekajmo kojih pola godine i uvjerimo se u to sami,heh.

:eat: :eat: :eat:

Here are some videos taken i Croatia:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/search_videos.php?country=Croatia

great vids Mate...

Don't know, but Belgrade one coasted about 60 million

It's quite cheap considering it will employ an estimated 20,000-30,000 people. The Serbian Capital Investment ministry said (god help us) that Belgrade will focus to become a prime cargo hub of South-Eastern Europe.

It's quite cheap considering it will employ an estimated 20,000-30,000 people. The Serbian Capital Investment ministry said (god help us) that Belgrade will focus to become a prime cargo hub of South-Eastern Europe.


what is the size of this cargo terminal?

You mean 30 000 in all could benefit from new cargo terminal (creating secondary jobs in support and servicing the terminal) I strongly doubt 30 000 would actually work at the terminal, even Amsterdam Airport has less than 10 000 staff and this is largest cargo terminal in Europe...

In any case it is great news for Belgrade as it needs something to pump the economy...


I doubt Zagreb will go with new Cargo terminal asp... although medium sized facility is in works (about 12 000sqm capacity about 50 000 metric tones) and this smaller cargo terminal could cost as much as 30€ million...

New passenger terminal is a priority and completion should be announced any time soon for architectural design for the airport, construction of new terminal should start April 2006 with completion dates sometimes in first half of 2008..

Airport Authorities are looking at 12-15 sky bridges and about 50-58000sqm passenger terminal all in price tag of 125€ million, another 45€ million going to be spent on new cargo terminal and 2nd runway...

another 45€ million going to be spent on new cargo terminal and 2nd runway...

I don t think the runway will be that cheap. We allready discussed this.
About 20€ million will be the runway alone,but the ground with all of those 700 ilegal houses will be between 35€ mil and 70€mil (700 x 50 000€ = 35 000 000€,700 x 100 000€ = 70 000 000€). New homes need to be built for those idiots!

I don t think the runway will be that cheap. We allready discussed this.
About 20€ million will be the runway alone,but the ground with all of those 700 ilegal houses will be between 35€ mil and 70€mil (700 x 50 000€ = 35 000 000€,700 x 100 000€ = 70 000 000€). New homes need to be built for those idiots!


I agree, bill will be picked up by the state or City of Zagreb directly, it has nothing to do with the airport,

I think bill should not exceed, 40€ million, government actually might build substitute homes and house for ppl before they start knocking down houses illegally built on Airport land...

it is only about 600 homes at most, and few barns and stuff... :runaway:

PS, I estimate for clearing illegal houses and bulldozing would take at least 6 months, could be year, than clearing and levelling land - 3-4 months, laying electric and signalling cables, water and drainage system, would take another month or two, when done with all of this construction of runway could start, it might take about 8-14 months depending on Croatian contractors to complete construction of the runway and another 2-3 months for signalisation and stuff...

Price, you are right, should not exceed 20€ million or 24 million US$ for 4km runway...

They plan to build new 32 000sqm passenger terminal with 7 sky-bridges (is it avio-mostovi), thus increasing the capacity of the airport to 5 million... Works should start in 2006, I'll do update on Ljubljana Airport soon...


ATM, best airport what was former Yugoslavia is Split I think, Sarajevo and Dubrovnik are fighting for 2nd and 3rd position, Sarajevo Airport has great interior...

Worst Airport in what was Yugoslavia, I think Pula and Zagreb are fighting for last place, lol... Hopefully not for long... :) :) :)

Did you also know Zagreb is only Airport in the what was former Yugoslavia to have CAT IIIB category for its runway... I think Ljubljana will get it soon as well, when they build new terminal, Actually I'll update about Ljubljana new terminal here as they don't have there own thread...

Yes,they got it in 2004. That was the only major upgrade for the airport from 1976. when they extended the runway! Sad isn t it? :bash:

As for the runway I just hope they start all this in about 3-4 years,beacuse if they don t they will be in deep s*it! When the EU inspectors are done with them there won t be an airport to fly to! :bash:

I just hope I m wrong!

:) :)

:runaway:

^lol, I don't think EU will shut the airport down, they'll recommend for 2nd runway asp,. as the nearest major airport in region is about 340km away, it is very important for all major airports to have 2 runways primarily bc of emergencies, 1 runway can easily handle current traffic and even way in the future, as long the runway is extended to say 4km, single runway can handle about 20 landings and 20 take offs, this is per hour, or about 300 take offs and same number of landings per 15 hour day (2 shifts)...

But having 2 runways can deal with any eventualities and one runway can exclusively be used for landings and one for taker offs...
with 2 runways you can land 70 Aircrafts per hour or about 1000 landings and takes offs per day, increasing capacity of the airport to 364 000 landings and 364 000 take offs per year... Mate you are from Split what is in Divulje is there another Airport with runway, I know there are some sort of underground shelters for fighters, I've seen Mig21's being moved inside the mountain...

Is there 2nd runway there? got any ideas?

Ljubljana Airport, Slovenia,
10 000sqm Terminal,
3400x45m Runway
Passengers: 1.22 million (2005)

A short video of future developments at the Ljubljana Airport...
http://www.lju-airport.si/eng/ASPDatoteka.asp?ID=159


Planning project

The expansion of the airport is planned on both the north and south sides, and the north side has precedence for expansion. The expansion of the airport on the north side encompasses:
1. Newly planned and expanded passenger terminal facilities, which will include the following features:
- A business centre;
- Facilities for business administration programmes with car parks;
- A hotel complex;
- Recreational and sports facilities;
- Areas and facilities for freight warehousing;
- Production and business facilities;
- Facilities for aircraft and airport maintenance activity; and
- Facilities for special purposes.
2. Rerouting of the KranjMengeš main road on the section adjacent to the airport further to the north, ensuring the necessary space for the development of airport activities and related commercial activities as well as improving access to the airport;
3. Arrangement of a new road system and car parks in the airport area;
4. Construction of power and municipal infrastructure in line with development needs.
On the south side of the airport there is room for:
1. An additional runway (if necessary), new taxiways and landing platforms in the future.
2. Facilities for freight warehousing, production and business facilities, aircraft maintenance facilities, facilities for business administration programmes with car parks, facilities for special purposes and arrangement of the road system.


New passenger terminal


One result of growing air traffic at Ljubljana Airport and Slovenia's entry into the European Union, which requires the separation of traffic into Schengen and non-Schengen (domestic and foreign), is the planned construction of a new airport terminal.

The current terminal will be renovated and linked to the new terminal by a connecting walkway that will include seven boarding bridges. The capacity of the new terminal will be 850 departing passengers per hour and 850 arriving passengers per hour. An IATA level C standard of services is envisaged to ensure the necessary quality for passenger arrivals and departures. The planning took into account both international and domestic regulations and standards for such facilities and equipment.

The new terminal will be expanded to 32,000 square meters, where 40 check-in counters will be set up, including some automatic ones. The complete separation of Schengen and non-Schengen traffic will be ensured, as well as the separation of arriving and departing passengers. Luggage will be thoroughly inspected and the installation of three luggage carousels is planned for luggage pick-up. There will be room in the terminal for airlines, travel agencies, restaurants and shops, and there are also plans for business lounges and additional services for passengers.


Future terminal
http://www.lju-airport.si/images/clanki/img895.JPG

Current terminal
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/130/brnikairportljubljana1iw.jpg

http://www.lju-airport.si/images/clanki/img265.jpg

http://www.lju-airport.si/images/clanki/img256.jpg

New hangar
http://www.lju-airport.si/images/clanki/img301.jpg

Here are some Pleso pics:

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/913/1090781053aerodromplesobistrov.jpg

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/908/1102450818aerodromb8fx.jpg

Aeral view:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3214/11173899555iv.jpg

ILS maintinence house and a croatian coat of arms made out of flowers in front of the RWY 05 (fopefully RWY 05L soon :) ):
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2112/myaviationnetphotoid001601479f.jpg

On T/O from RWY 05:
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8276/myaviationnetphotoid001933770l.jpg

You just opend such a subject that will take hours to "present". :)

OK,let s start!


1. Divulje

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3451/divulj196mv.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8374/ldsp4ag.jpg


http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9826/mig21bscroatiadivulje0ov.jpg

Divulje is just a helicopter airbase. But across the way (to the north) is a secret underground base which houses MiG-s! There are some people who have seen MiG-s beeing towed across the road and through a crash gate to RWY 05! This is a fact!

2. Kozjak

In Kozjak mountin is allso an underground airbase. During the war (mentaly OK :) ) people used to see MiG-s just flying into the mountin. They expected to hear an explosion,but there was just silence! This underground runway is probobly conected to the base described earlier.

3. Mosor

Some people saw helicopters just landing into the mountin. Like Kozjak only verticaly. So this is a heliport.

4. Lika

There are numerous acounts of people seeing aircraft flying into the mountins (Velebit,Dinara...) like in the Kozjak case.

5. Željava

Podzemni svijet Početak izgradnje Aerodroma Željava vezan je za daleku 1948. godinu, kada se počelo sa izborom i iznalaženjem mikrolokacija za pozicioniranje ovog velikog aerodromskog kompleksa. Izgradnja je, zajedno sa projektovanjem, trajala sve do 1968. i ta se godina ujedno smatra i godinom izgradnje: tada je sa Aerodroma Pleso u Zagrebu preletio čitav 117. lovački avijacijski puk (LAP) u Bihać!?

Infrastrukturu ovog aerodroma čini podzemni kompleks tunela i galerija ukupne dužine 2,7 kilometara, projektovan i dimenzioniran tako da može, na čuvanje od raketnog i atomskog udara, primiti između 60 i 80 supersoničnih aviona MIG-21. Istovremeno, taj je podzemni svijet pružao sve mogućnosti preživljavanja: imao je sopstvenu radionicu za opravku aviona, magacin za smještaj rezervnih dijelova aviona i opreme, kao i za smještaj i sigurno čuvanje i tehničko održavanje bitnih zaliha, tada izuzetno bogate palete oružja koje je avion MIG-21 nosio.

Aerodrom je raspolagao i velikom energanom za napajanje električnom energijom, te savremeni centar veze sa komandnim mjestom zrakoplovnog korpusa. Na ovom operatorskom centru su se objedinjavali svi podaci o stanju u vazdušnom prostoru bivše Jugoslavije, što je bilo omogućeno mrežom radara koji su bili postavljeni na Plješevici, u Zadru, na Kozari, Biokovu, u Puli, zatim na Vrhonici, u Sisku, Bjelovaru itd. Unutar aerodroma bile su i učionice i radni prostor za cijeli avijacijski bataljon: 110 pilota i ostalih tehničara, oficira, podoficira - ukupno oko 900 ljudi. Svi podzemni prostori za njih su bili osvijetljeni i klimatizirani sa mogućnošću konstantnog održavanja podnošljive temperature i vlage zraka.

Posebna pažnja vodila se o sustavu protupožarne zaštite: pored straže, aerodrom se čuvao i elektronskim kamerama na pet pista, od kojih su dvije bile poletno-sletne, sa dimenzijama za slijetanje i najvećih transportnih aviona. Tu se nalazilo i pet stajanki za avione na otvorenom kao i prateće staze za vožnje, koje su povezivale ove piste.

Sve je ovo pratio i kompletan sastav za navigaciju, a sve je zauzimalo prostor devet puta četiri kilometra, od čega je pola "parcele" na teritoriji Bosne i Hercegovine, a pola na teritoriji Hrvatske. Cijena gradnje aerodroma bila je između tri i četiri milijarde dolara! Što je ravno ulaganju u Bosnu i Hercegovinu od Daytona naovamo.

Nikad više vojni aerodrom Početkom 1992, tadašnja Jugoslovenska narodna armija je opremu i avione prebacila u Srbiju, a svi objekti su potpuno razoreni. Pričinjena šteta je fantastično velika, a posljednji udar je izveden u prvim satima 18. maja 1992, kada su od eksplozija Bihać i okolina podrhtavali.

Stručnjaci za zrakoplovstvo danas tvrde: Željava nikada više neće biti vojni aerodrom. Ipak, mogućnost obnove postoji, posebno nadzemnog dijela i ostale vanjske infrastrukture.

Što se tiče podzemnog dijela, projekat bi bio previše skup i nepotreban, s obzirom na lokaciju. Vanjska obnova bi, međutim, mogla značiti nešto privredama BiH i Hrvatske, posebno komercijalnim letovima domaćih kompanija i razvoju putničkog i teretnog saobraćaja, te čarter--letova. Ovo bi opet doprinijelo razvoju i afirmaciji turizma, jer u neposrednoj blizini su Nacionalni park Plitvice i sliv rijeke Une. Osim ako NATO ne procijeni drugačije

http://www.bhdani.com/arhiva/265/t26508.shtml
http://www.studentnet.hr/mjesta/show/284/
http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/164/p15a/t02p15a.htm
http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/NOVE-SLIKE2.html
http://www.mycity.co.yu/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=141464&highlight=&sid=e6382b19d3a21aa9a683520a39fda40d#141464

I allso have some videos. If you are interested give me your mail and I ll send them to you.

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3269/2705b02151c3cp.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/613/2705tunel31fd.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6234/2705z17ca.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6472/2705z21gs.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7010/2705z50sq.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/8674/2705z149im.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/581/2705z464un.jpg


6.Yugoslavija

There are numerous underground bases constucted during Tito time! I think it goes like this:

Slovenia 1x
Croatia 4x
Bosnia 4x
Serbia 5x
Macedonia 2x

These facileties were so sofisticated that you could run the whole country from there for months out of time!

7. YU supersonic

There were allso plans to make a supersonic jet fighter like Gripen in colaboration with the Romania!

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4545/yusupersonik16ey.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/3557/yusupersonikprerez0xv.jpg

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7898/yusupersonikshema5us.jpg

http://models.lemut.net/YU-Supersonic/

This is most of my knowlage. If you find obout something more let me know.

:runaway:

great find Mate, wow, I am chuffed, great stuff...

BTW you know Croatia is looking to get new Combat Aircraft, 24 of them, 12+12 (2010-15) most likely contenders are F16E/F Block 60 and JAS 39 Gripen A/B hopefully

As much as we want it to be Gripens they will probobly be F-16s.

The govermant needs to such up to the Yankees,especilay after not sining the act of "non-delivery" of their soldiers to Hague.

Yuck!

:bash: :bash: :bash:

I am afraid of this to, government might reconcile and get stupid F16's, If Racan was PM, he would get Gripens, he is not to particular of Americans, he is lefty and he sees America as to domineering, with Sanader, nobody knows, he is afraid ratifying immunity for American Solders, as this would split the parliament downright the middle and could end up with new elections, but he is pro-Bush and would like to do something good to improve rather strenuous relations with US.

When Clinton was in White House Croatia had excellent relationship with US, with Bush in charge, situation is quite the opposite...
I think I'm afraid F16's might be what Croatia ends up with, I am just of the opinion Gripens are better, they have many new inovations which F16's (block 52 and 60) lack, also Gripens look less intimidating...

Hopefully money will play major issue and Gripens might squeeze in the end, I know budget atm is quite small only 1.7% of GDP which way bellow NATO requirements (2.1% minimum requirement for NATO members)..

Defence budget for 2005 was only 587 million U$...
For 2008 should be 1 billion U$ if Croatia is to join NATO... New Aircrafts would cost about 700 million US$ for 24 New Gripens and 950 million for 24 F16E/F block 60 aircraft...

* Croatia plans at first to acquire 12 new combat aircraft by the end of decade and than 12 more in fist half of next decade when 12 Mig 21's face retireing...

6 two-setter might be acquired in 2014/15 to help with training of new pilots... Bringing total to 30 Gripens and price tag of about 1.2 billion U$ for 30 Aircraft over 5 years...

Another major headache will most likely be new Helicopters, 30 are required, Most probably NH90 from Eurocopter (about 500€ million deal) and 6-12 Naval Helicopters probably Eurocopter or French Panther might fill this role a contract valued at 200€ million...

Any other major expenditures, perhaps purchase of 10-12 more Bell 206 JET Rangers for training and utility needs, replacements for 6 Bell 212 is also needed quite soon, replacement for 6 Mill 24 Hinds, perhaps AH64 D longbow or Tiger are best candidates (contract valued at 200 million U$)...

Perhaps 8-10 CH53G might be donated by Germany for heavy lift capability, note, this is only perhaps... Germans want to get rid of about 30-40 CH53G's as they are reducing Air force size...

Croatia might get 6-8 more PC -9 or PC21 Turboprop Trainers primarily to replace ones no longer serviceable (Croatia got 6 second hand PC-9 and 14 New PC9's)...


http://www.zap16.com/images/lb03-grippen-taxiing.jpg

BTW Gripen was built on original Viggen JAS37, which is also quite cool aircraft, although Gripen takes many new innovative and aerodynamic innovations such and canards and digital interlink between fighters and other army units, i.e. artillery battery or air defence missile battery... Quite innovative so much so Americans have borrowed some the Swedish ideas for there JSF and F22 programs, they call it digital battlefield...

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/images/gripen2.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jas6.jpg

Sweden - 164 Aicrafts
South Africa Ordered 36 Gripen JAS39
Austria Still thinks ordering about 24-36 Aircraft (they might get Eurofighter Taifun)
Hungary just got 14 with 22+12 Option remains
same for Czech republic, and future potential clients for Gripen are Slovenia 12 fighters and Croatia hopefully 24+6...


http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/jas5.jpg
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/gripen/images/gripen8.jpg[/QUOTE]

and F16 CD Block 52


F16 Block C/D 52 (cost about 25 million U$)
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/8615/aaasized2ge.md.jpg
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/9128/cockpitf16cdef6qw.md.jpg
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/7091/greekblock527jn.md.jpg

Did you also know Zagreb is only Airport in the what was former Yugoslavia to have CAT IIIB category for its runway... I think Ljubljana will get it soon as well, when they build new terminal.

Actually, Ljubljana got CAT IIIB in 1999, and was then one of only around 100 airports in the world to have it.

In other news, 956,115 passengers were served by Ljubljana Airport in the first 9 months of 2005, which is a 17.9% increase in passengers over the same period last year. By now (November 3rd), the airport has already surpassed its previous year's 1,024,000 passengers.

Considering that the airport's strategy is to have 1,600,000 passengers by 2010, I think they might get that two years earlier..

Also, I had no idea there's a secret underground base in Slovenia, probably in some secret place like Kočevska Reka (a secretly closed military area until 1991)..

Actually, Ljubljana got CAT IIIB in 1999, and was then one of only around 100 airports in the world to have it.

In other news, 956,115 passengers were served by Ljubljana Airport in the first 9 months of 2005, which is a 17.9% increase in passengers over the same period last year. By now (November 3rd), the airport has already surpassed its previous year's 1,024,000 passengers.

Considering that the airport's strategy is to have 1,600,000 passengers by 2010, I think they might get that two years earlier..

Also, I had no idea there's a secret underground base in Slovenia, probably in some secret place like Kočevska Reka (a secretly closed military area until 1991)..

cool, on both as to 1.6 million I already predicted Ljubljana will do about 1.8-2 million way back but some of Slovene Forumers said I am dreaming, lol...

I predict 1.225 million passengers this year, and 1.4 million next,...

Also, I had no idea there's a secret underground base in Slovenia, probably in some secret place like Kočevska Reka (a secretly closed military area until 1991)..

Yes, It's true... :)

U got any photos of it ? ^

U got any photos of it ? ^
Well, it's nothing special, basically just forest and a town here and there.. There are some warehouses where info on all UDBA members was stored and other secret stuff as well..

Here's a pic of the area. More than 95% of it is forest..
http://www.sneznik.si/images/naslovna.jpg

There might be some secret underground stuff noone knows about though.. Those forests are one of the least known parts of Slovenia..

Here's a site about the area: http://www.kocevje.si/zaprto.htm

thanx edolen1, you got any info on other Slovene Airports? can you post them here...

Great updates guys! :okay:

Here is some information regarding Split Airports growth potential. The 3rd busiest international airport in Croatia with passenger numbers fast approaching 1 million per annum, Split Airport is set to expand further .....

Split Airport terminal was expanded to 12500sqm, from 9000 sqm in 2002 to 12500 in 2005 with works now grinding to an end. Fresh works on new apron have just started - the apron is being extended to allow double parking access from current single parking access for aircrafts, apron is also being extended to the west and north west allowing more aircrafts to to be parked from current 10 to max of 20...

New extended Apron should be finished by 2008 tourist season (or few weeks before May).

There are a number of concerns from management of Split Airport. The primary concern are the nearby settlements which limit potential growth for Split Airport and any future expansion of the airport as envisaged in master plan. For example flights issues and issues of land and aprons which need to be built west of the present terminal, the apron we are talking is about 250mx320m and would allow for up to 20 medium aircraft to park, another 80m of apron will be used for 7-8 sky bridges which Split Airport plans to introduce sometimes next decade..

Second issue of concern is capacity and airlines which land at Split Airport.
Split Airport has rather erratic use of capacities, in winter times airport is barley used and on weekends (in summer months) airport does more business than in entire winter month or even summer weeks (excluding Friday, Saturday -busiest days and Sunday)...

To eradicate this problem airport plans to postpone construction of taxiway until some sort of equilibrium is set and that airlines land at Split airport throughout out the week and throughout out the year..

So in summary ....

2005
Airport terminal expanded to 12,500sqm, (new 3500sqm of terminal added)

2006
Construction of northwest apron - about 325x72m - increase capacity from 10 to 20 aircrafts being parked at Split airport..

2008
Final works finished on north west apron. Construction of western section of new L shaped Terminal, about 20,000sqm terminal will have 7-8 sky bridges and is expected completion by the end of 2011.
There is also the construction of new 320x250m west apron along the new 20,000sqm terminal.

2010
Construction of 2500m taxiway along the current 3000m runway (as a result northern apron will despair and will be incorporated in to new taxiway).

2012
Airport Split has final look, L shaped terminal all works on new taxiway are complete and airports capacity increased to 5 million passengers annually. Airport plans to build most of this with its own money.

Timeframe may be extended if issues of properties which infringe on airport land - section of L shaped terminal will go south towards the sea, and many properties will need to be demolished as a result of this. The same goes for the massive apron as result many buildings will need to be demolished to make free for new terminal.

Some idea on the scope of the work .....

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/4262/splitairportmaster9tq.md.jpg

Here are some more pics of the current Split Airport terminal :) .....

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5249/splitairport72va.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8775/splitairport46im.jpg

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/646/splitairport12vd.jpg

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/2553/splitairport52er.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4058/splitairport31at.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7931/slpitairport25vs.jpg

Super!

Ako zbilja budu išli po tom planu bit će odlično!

Slike su ludilo! Ovo je definitivno najlipši aerodrom u HR!

Nice pics !

Super!

Ako zbilja budu išli po tom planu bit će odlično!

Slike su ludilo! Ovo je definitivno najlipši aerodrom u HR!

Yep. I think so too. I suspected the canopy was light up at night, but I had no idea it looked that colourful. I think its the niciest looking airport in Croatia. It will look heaps cool when it gets enlarged. :)

Finally, after much waiting, the Croatian minister responsible for airports and the like has confirmed that pretty much all planning and financing regarding the new Zagreb Airport terminal is complete. The master plan has been ready for ages. Property issues are virtually completed and they are set to commence construction in 2006.

Hopefully we'll have construction pics as this beauty evolves. :)

OK, just talked to Hrvoje Defar, he is one of the Directors at Zagreb airport, he was quite informative and gave me loads of clues as to what is going on...

First of all, Airport hasn't got new master plan as of yet, the new terminal is in workings BUT nothing is final yet, Feasibility study has just been completed by Manchester based ASM Associates who specialise in traffic and transport studies, first study was made by Rolland Berger (German Consultants) way back in 2003, but this study needed bit of updating, ASM did final feasibility study and Specialist Architects who specialize in Airport Terminals where invited to do architectural Designs, Architects Scott Associates from Toronto Canada, have just finished there designs and currently discussion are taking place about implementation of the design and feasibility study based on new designs... http://www.saai.ca/airframe.htm - they are updating there site...

Consultations should end with in next few weeks, Final works on designs should be complete by the end of this year, (December 15th) and construction should start on new terminal sometimes early in 2006, April being most likely date as start of construction works... New Terminal is slightly larger than NACO proposed Design with 12-15 sky bridges, 58000sqm terminal and ample amount for expansion...

2nd Runway should run semi parallel with current runway some 2.5km away, giving ample amount of land for new terminal and expansion...
New Airport terminal is set to cost about 150€ million but it is going to be a lot larger and have greater capacity than NACO original plans envisaged...

all for now... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I want to know how do you exactly calculate the terminal capacity?

The number of jetways,check-in desks,area.......

Is there some forula maybe?

I want to know how do you exactly calculate the terminal capacity?

The number of jetways,check-in desks,area.......

Is there some forula maybe?

it is very simple, sky bridges x 15 hours x 364 days and you should get capacity of the terminal...

Example new terminal in Zagreb (new master plan calls for 15 sky bridges)

Capacity of the terminal should look something like this:

15 Sky Bridges (jetways) 15 hours x364 days x 100 passengers = 8.200 000, absolute maxim capacity should be around 10 million passengers...

A some knowledge of Airport operations and turnaround for each aircraft also helps, example single jetway in 15 hour shift can service 18 aircraft, this is a average... Minimum landing distance between aircrafts is 50 sec (meaning distance between aircrafts when landing can not be lower than 10km)... An passenger aircraft flies about 250m/sec...

An Runway like at Zagreb Airport can land maximum 22 Aircrafts per hour, with same number of take offs, giving it max capacity of 45 aircrafts per hour...

You multiply this with hours airport is open for traffic, you get maximum capacity in terms of airport operations (take offs and landings)...

Example Heathrow Airport in London has only 2 runways, one for take offs and one for landings, Heathrow airport capacity per 15hour day is about 1080 Landings and Take offs, or about 400 000 landings a year... I think Max capacity of Heathrow over 18 hour shift, is about 1300 Landings or about 480 000 Landings per year...

Heathrow desperately needs third runway...

I wish Pleso, Zracna Luka Zagreb gets the new terminal soon. Whats the time frame? Any word on the time frame? last time I lived in Zagreb there was talk but that was years ago and since then, no expansion. Is the expansion right now justfied, is there enough traffic?

IMO Zagreb Airport has a huge potential amongst all the other former yugoslav airports. I think there's a greater amount of Croatians living overseas than there are any other former yugoslav nationalities, the numbers are there to be tapped.

Trying to get a flight from Australia, we usually have to transit in Vienna, Istanbul, Frankfurt. If just only there were direct flights, it won't turn out to be 43 hour journey with all these transits, based on my last experience its such a waste of time.

I think Skyservice did a Toronto-Zagreb route this summer, Malaysia Airlines did a Kuala Lumpur-Vienna-Zagreb route some years ago, connecting to flights accross Australia from KL. Both airlines trying to caputure the overseas Croatian market. The market is there, accross the America's and Australia.

I definately think Zagreb Airport has the potential of being a hub to other former Yugoslav destinations.

I wish Pleso, Zracna Luka Zagreb gets the new terminal soon. Whats the time frame? Any word on the time frame? last time I lived in Zagreb there was talk but that was years ago and since then, no expansion. Is the expansion right now justfied, is there enough traffic?

IMO Zagreb Airport has a huge potential amongst all the other former yugoslav airports. I think there's a greater amount of Croatians living overseas than there are any other former yugoslav nationalities, the numbers are there to be tapped.

Trying to get a flight from Australia, we usually have to transit in Vienna, Istanbul, Frankfurt. If just only there were direct flights, it won't turn out to be 43 hour journey with all these transits, based on my last experience its such a waste of time.

I think Skyservice did a Toronto-Zagreb route this summer, Malaysia Airlines did a Kuala Lumpur-Vienna-Zagreb route some years ago, connecting to flights accross Australia from KL. Both airlines trying to caputure the overseas Croatian market. The market is there, accross the America's and Australia.

I definately think Zagreb Airport has the potential of being a hub to other former Yugoslav destinations.


Good questions and we have been talking about new terminal here a bit, Zagreb is getting new passenger terminal, works start April 2006 and terminal should be open for business sometimes in mid 2008.

NACO a Dutch consultancy made sort of a master plan for Zagreb Airport way back in 1997, and according these plans Zagreb should have had new passenger terminal already... Nothing happened of it, HDZ who where in charge of city council in late 90's where to corrupt, egotistical to make any headways... New plans for Zagreb airport where made again in 2003 and Airforce gave land at Pleso airport for new terminal in 2004...

Only recently did new master plan got made, but was subsequently rejected in favour of new (still in works) master plan and feasibility study... I know only few things, that the terminal will be slightly larger than NACO design about 58 000sqm, and have 15 instead of 11 sky bridges (jetways). Simple design plan is preferred, passenger terminal like in Munich has been discussed and it is most preferred option, but as Canadians are designing the new terminal we can only guess what they going to come with... I'd like to think something spectacular, lol...

Budget of 150€ million has been agreed on for new passenger terminal, if you look at Warsaw new Airport you'd see what you can get for 150€ million... If they got 180€ million and all is spent on terminal than you can build relatively large terminal, say 70-80 000sqm with 20 sky bridges (jetways)....

Would new passenger terminal justify the investment you ask? I hope it does, in 1980 Zagreb had 1.9 million passengers, Vienna had 5 million and Belgrade about 2.3 million... If way back than new terminal was built Airport would hade grew to at least 5 million by 1990 and 7.5-8 million by 2005 (this includes war period)...


Delta, Air Canada at one point planed to restart there Zagreb routes but due to the oil price and other issues they never did..
Many airline today fly to Zagreb but most are only on semi schedule...

Currently Airlines which fly to Zagreb:

Aeroflot x 4 flights per week
Air France x 8 flights per week
Alitalia x 15 flights per week
Austrian Air x 28 times a week
BNS (Brussels based) x 3 flights per week just started last month
CSA x 8 flights per week
German Wings x 24 flights per week
LOT x 7 flights per week
Lufthansa x 32 flights per week
Malev x 8 flights per week
Turkish Air x 6 flights per week...
Tyrol Air x 3 flights per week
Croatian Airlines x 320 flights per week
Sun Adria x 25 flights per week (charter Based at Zagreb Pleso)

irregular service:

British Air (BA) x 1 flights per week, (plans to fly scheduled service quite soon)
KLM x 1 flights per week (plans to fly scheduled service quite soon)
SAS x 3 flights per week (plans to fly scheduled service quite soon)
Adriatic Air x 5 flights per week,
Dubrovnik Airlines x 3 flights per week
Iberia x 2 flights per month (considering full scheduled service)
Air Bosna x 2 flights per week (plans to fly scheduled service quite soon)
Macedonian Air x 1 flights per week (plans to fly scheduled service quite soon)
Adria Airways x 3 flights per week (primarily s a second hub)
El Al x 2 flights per month
all others x 20 flights per week...
freight flights x 20 flights per week...

Ryan Air, Easy Jet, Sky Europe and few other low cost airlines hope to start flights to Zagreb in 2006...

I predict 2006 will bring nearly 1.75 million passengers and 21 000 landings at Zagreb Airport...

Current passenger terminal has maximum capacity of 2 million passengers a year...

I wish Pleso, Zracna Luka Zagreb gets the new terminal soon. Whats the time frame? Any word on the time frame? last time I lived in Zagreb there was talk but that was years ago and since then, no expansion. Is the expansion right now justfied, is there enough traffic?

IMO Zagreb Airport has a huge potential amongst all the other former yugoslav airports. I think there's a greater amount of Croatians living overseas than there are any other former yugoslav nationalities, the numbers are there to be tapped.

Trying to get a flight from Australia, we usually have to transit in Vienna, Istanbul, Frankfurt. If just only there were direct flights, it won't turn out to be 43 hour journey with all these transits, based on my last experience its such a waste of time.

I think Skyservice did a Toronto-Zagreb route this summer, Malaysia Airlines did a Kuala Lumpur-Vienna-Zagreb route some years ago, connecting to flights accross Australia from KL. Both airlines trying to caputure the overseas Croatian market. The market is there, accross the America's and Australia.

I definately think Zagreb Airport has the potential of being a hub to other former Yugoslav destinations.

Does anybody know the number of passengers that are transfering Zagreb-Frankfurt-xxxxxx

I realy think it would be profitable for Croatia Airlines to buy say 2x A330-200s or 2x A350-800s!

They can use them on Zg-NY,Zg-Toronto,Zg-Sidney.......

Are there ANY plans of such actions?

P.S. Are ther plans for a new control tower at Pleso? The old one doesn t have the visibility of the whole area,especialy when they build a new runway!

Does anybody know the number of passengers that are transfering Zagreb-Frankfurt-xxxxxx

I realy think it would be profitable for Croatia Airlines to buy say 2x A330-200s or 2x A350-800s!

They can use them on Zg-NY,Zg-Toronto,Zg-Sidney.......

Are there ANY plans of such actions?

P.S. Are ther plans for a new control tower at Pleso? The old one doesn t have the visibility of the whole area,especialy when they build a new runway!

I asked one of the Croatian Airlines directors when he was at World Travel Market about plans for long hull aircrafts, he said they have no plans for such aircrafts in short to medium term... :bash: :bash:

for other questions, sorry I don't know...

Good information Mike :okay: :cheers1:

Some of the Serbs have been saying Belgrade might be the new ex. Yugoslav hub, but I have a high hope that Zagreb will fulfil that position. :okay:

Zagreb and Belgrade airports are both different for a number of reasons.

Zagreb competes against other international airports in Croatia such as Split, Dubrovnik, etc. Both of which have 1 million passengers each year. Belgrade is Serbia's only significant international airport. There are small airports in Montenegro but they are no where near as busy to similar ones in Croatia.

Therefore if Zagreb was Croatia's sole international airport as to what Belgrade is in Serbia, then passenger numbers would be much more massive than currently in Belgrade.

Secondly, Croatia is a major tourism mecca. Serbia isn't a tourism destination. Therefore Zagreb and all other Croatian airports will continue to grow and grow in the decades ahead. Belgrade's airport will reach a maximum soon and will never likely see any significant expansion in the decades ahead apart from some minor renovations here and there.

Thirdly, both countries have large emigrant communities, Croatia more so than Serbia which of course will help sustain passenger levels equally for both countries.

Lastly, Serbia is planning to turn Belgrade airport into an air transport hub. I'm not sure how this will go as I am unfamiliar with their plans and also what other competion exists in our neighbourhood.

Croatia doesn't have to focus on air transportation as much because the Croatian coast has many large shipping ports. For example the Port of Rijeka which will become the new Rotterdam of the south handling freight to and from Asia and the Middle East. Rijeka and Rotterdam are the top two most deepest ports in Europe which can handle the biggest of the biggest, of all ships.

I think in summary Belgrade airport will continue to be Serbia's sole major international airport with moderate passenger growth in the years ahead before it tops out. Belgrade will most likely develop into a successful air freight airport.

Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Rijeka and Pula airports will continue to grow significantly in the decades ahead to which there will be many airport expansions.

Cheers :)

Well said mic of Orion and SinCity. Its been informative.

I guess Croatia Airlines flying long haul is a tad far fetched, since now that Croatia Airlines is an regional airline member of Star Alliance, they'll feed from and to long haul flights out of big Star Alliance hubs such as Frankfurt, Munich, Vienna, Copenhagen.

Perhaps there is no need for a Zagreb long haul hub. Just wishful thinking on my part.

Silly me. I forgot to mention that as quality of life improves in this region then no doubt many of the citizens will be able to afford more and more travel abroad especially to more distant and exotic locations.

So therefore it is fair to say that Belgrade, Zagreb and other airports in this region will continue to see some good growth in the years ahead. :)

On the issue of hubs ... I doubt any of these airports will become a regional hub. Other airports have beaten us to this a long time ago.

Whatever happened to JAT? I remember flying JAT as a child when I was in Croatia on holidays, and afterwards thought it must have stood for 'Jugoslavian Air Turbulence'. :)

Whatever happened to JAT? I remember flying JAT as a child when I was in Croatia on holidays, and afterwards thought it must have stood for 'Jugoslavian Air Turbulence'. :)

lol, they are now Serbian based Airline they no longer fly to Zagreb or Croatia, they just bought 6 new Airbus A319 and 2 are on option... They had few problems recently like Mechanic Strike and one of the B737 almost crashing in Tel Aviv, but otherwise they are still flying...

Croatia has its own Airline you guessed, Croatian Airlines, lol and there are new start ups, 4 of them Air Adriatic, Sun Adria, Dubrovnik Airlines and one other, forgot the name...

Croatian Airlines is most successful of all former Yugoslav airlines, with 1.75 million passengers and revenue over 300 million U$, Adria Airways (Slovenia) is also very successful with nearly million passengers a year (2004)...

I think in summary Belgrade airport will continue to be Serbia's sole major international airport with moderate passenger growth in the years ahead before it tops out. Belgrade will most likely develop into a successful air freight airport.

Yeh, I agree with you on this, because of that new cargo centre which will be constructed at Belgrade Airport.

I'm not sure either how Belgrade will become a major air traffic hub, but it won't happen anytime soon that's for sure. Budapest, Warsaw, Prague would be way ahead of Belgrade. Also, I'd say Zagreb would be ahead of Belgrade in terms of being a new hub, Croatia's investment ministry is much more flexible than Serbia's, meaning more airlines would prefer to go to Zagreb. I remember, when Ryan Air wanted to come to Serbia, their dickhead of an investment minister said absolutely no low-cost carriers would be allowed to fly to Serbia, because it would stand as large competition against Jat Airways(which is certainly not a value for quality airline). Serbia is concentrating on Jat becoming a bigger airline when they haven't got the proper management team.

All I can say - Keep up the good work Zagreb :okay:

P.S. Are ther plans for a new control tower at Pleso? The old one doesn t have the visibility of the whole area,especialy when they build a new runway!

O yes a new 55m Control tower is planed with new terminal, going to be sort of centrepiece (quoting one of my sources)

Letovi iz Beograda za Kanadu i Ameriku pocinju sledece godine...dakle, sva poredjenja sa selom zvanom Zagreb padaju u vodu:lol:

Intervju sa direktorom JAT-a:

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Intervju: Nebojša Starčević, generalni direktor „Jata“
Privatizacija nije neophodna
Generalni direktor „Jat ervejza“ Nebojša Starčević ostaje pri stavu da privatizacija nacionalne kompanije znači privatizaciju tržišta i pita se zašto bi baš Srbija privatizovala svoju avio-kompaniju kad većina zemalja u okruženju to nije učinila. On ovo mišljenje detaljnije obrazlaže za „Blic“.

- Treba imati u vidu da između država postoje bilateralni sporazumi na osnovu kojih se leti. Tako je predviđeno ko i koliko leti. Da bi Direktorat civilnog vazduhoplovstva odobrio nekoj kompaniji da leti u Srbiji, mora da dobije saglasnost i Ministarstva za kapitalne investicije i „Jat ervejza“. Kad bi neko kupio „Jat“, odmah bi dobio i udeo u odlučivanju. Takođe, privatni prevoznici mogu da izaberu linije na kojima će prevoziti putnike, ali uvek ima onih letova koji su neprofitabilni i koje mora pokriti nacionalni prevoznik. „Jat“ ima oko osam do deset profitabilnih linija na kojima zarađuje novac, a sve ostale su ili na nuli ili neprofitabilne, ali mi moramo da funkcionišemo jer smo javni saobraćaj. Zato možemo da razmišljamo o privatizaciji, ali ne i da idemo glavom kroz zid.

Pregovori o ulasku Srbije pod „slobodno nebo“ nad Evropom su već u toku. Tako će sve kompanije imati slobodan pristup na bilo kom tržištu. Koliko je „Jat ervejz“ spreman da se bori sa konkurencijom?
- Očekujemo da će tzv. horizontalni sporazum biti parafiran sredinom 2006. godine, nakon čega sledi period implementacije od godinu do dve. Dakle, imamo vremena da se prilagodimo evropskim standardima do 2007. godine.

Postoji li mogućnost da „Jat“ tada nastupi na nekom stranom tržištu, kao što strane kompanije mogu nastupiti u Srbiji?
- Bićemo spremni da prihvatimo svu svetsku konkurenciju ukoliko budemo ravnopravni na tržištu. Posle potpisivanja ovog sporazuma i „Jat“ će teoretski moći da leti na liniji, recimo, Pariz-Frankfurt. Međutim, „Jatov“ pilot pre toga mora da dobije šengensku vizu da bi tamo otišao, mora da dobije radnu dozvolu da bi stanova i radio u nekom evropskom gradu. Dakle, u startu nismo izjednačeni sa drugim državama i njhovim avio-kompanijama.

Kakvim će tokom ići nabavka novih aviona za „Jat ervejz“?
- Najveći problem naše flote je smanjena ekonomičnost, jer moramo mnogo više da ulažemo u održavanje, zbog čega imamo i manju zaradu. Takođe, naša flota je relativno neadekvatna našim potrebama, jer je formirana u periodu velike Jugoslavije, kada smo imali veliko tržište. Sada nam takva flota ne treba. Potrebni su nam mali avioni, od 50ado 70 sedišta, koji će da obavljaju regionalni saobraćaj. Planiramo da u naredna dva-tri meseca iznajmimo dva mala aviona, da bismo podmlađujući flotu i koristeći manje avione postali konkurentniji na tržištu.

Da li će to biti avioni „Erbasa“, s obzirom na to da treba obnoviti stari ugovor sa njima?
- Po tom ugovoru imamo obavezu da kupimo avione, a sada govorimo o iznajmljivanju. Pregovori su u toku, tako da ne mogu sada otkrivati detalje. „Erbas“ i nema male avione. Sada razmatramo nekoliko mogućnosti iznajmljivanja malih aviona, a u februaru, martu sledeće godine planiramo da iznajmimo i jedan veliki avion za linije do Amerike i Kanade.

Koliko je uopšte za „Jat“ isplativa linija ka Americi i Kanadi?
- To treba posmatrati dvojako. Ukoliko posmatramo samu liniju, ona će biti čak i blago negativna. Ali ako posmatramo globalno, preko Beograda će tada leteti putnici iz drugih zemalja ka Americi i Kanadi i na tim kartama ćemo zarađivati. Neke naše analize su pokazale da će to biti profitabilno.

Milica Jeveričić

^KM, this is international section of the forum, plz use only English, translate your article and if it has anything to do with Croatian Airports plz re-post it, thanx....

I think it's about Jat wanting to fly to Canada and the US (which they have proposed for 10 years and haven't progressed anywhere). And something about water and Zagreb.

Summary - ??!?!?!?!?!?!?

^KM, this is international section of the forum, plz use only English, translate your article and if it has anything to do with Croatian Airports plz re-post it, thanx....

Well said.

Croatia Airlines, in my opinion, can become a very successful airline. They are already a Star Alliance Member (I know it's only regional, but that's still good). Croatia Airlines also sets themselves quite realistic and achievable targets with their avaliable capital and resources (unlike Jat who suddlenly announces US flights and don't commence till a millenia afterwards). It's also good to see that Croatia Airlines is also receiving substantial passenger growth, though it is smaller than some of the major Eastern Euro carriers, it is increasing significantly, Croatia's booming tourism industry will also help with the increasing passenger numbers.

Within a few more years, people will really begin to notice how it is doing well. :okay:

They also cover quite a large route network

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/4729/croatiaairlines6fh.jpg

KM is a jackass.

O yes a new 55m Control tower is planed with new terminal, going to be sort of centrepiece (quoting one of my sources)

NO SH**T!!!

OH YEAH!!!

NOW WE`RE TALKING!!!

:righton: :righton: :righton:

P.S. What does the word "centerpiece" mean?

KM is a jackass.

:D

Let JAT bark,as long as they don t bite! :)

No worries for CA as long as JATs pilots keep landing on highways!

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=288292

:hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

NO SH**T!!!

OH YEAH!!!

NOW WE`RE TALKING!!!

:righton: :righton: :righton:

P.S. What does the word "centerpiece" mean?

sort of visual and distinctive feature like a landmark (not a landmark but similar, centrepiece is not geographically confined term) sort of main feature... Example, an art exhibition wheare centrepiece of exhibition is Donatello's or Rodin's sculptural masterpiece...

great stuff CJ, I never knew CA flies to so many places, nice to know...

sort of visual and distinctive feature like a landmark (not a landmark but similar, centrepiece is not geographically confined term) sort of main feature... Example, an art exhibition wheare centrepiece of exhibition is Donatello's or Rodin's sculptural masterpiece...

Thanks

If you can,try to get some renderings of the terminal and the tower (when they are finished,of course).

Thanks

If you can,try to get some renderings of the terminal and the tower (when they are finished,of course).

I'l try my best... :okay: :okay: :)

I would kill to get a render of Zagrebs new airport. :D The suspense is killing me ......

:D

Let JAT bark,as long as they don t bite! :)

No worries for CA as long as JATs pilots keep landing on highways!

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=288292

:hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:cheers:

Rijeka International Airport Cargo Centre

Investment possibilities include investing into Rijeka International Airport situated in Omisalj at the nearby island of Krk. Since the airport is located away from populated areas and tourist locations, its advantages include no airspace flow restrictions and operating hours restrictions and possibilities for forwarding of cargo and training of pilots.

There has been no significant investment in Rijeka Airport since it was built, except for the Air Traffic Services facilities and equipment. As the airport was primarily built to serve the tourist market of the region, it has never been facilitated as a combined passenger and cargo airport.

The project Rijeka International Airport - Airport Land Side (Handling of Cargo) Facilitation and Runway Extension has been launched as the first attempt of promoting Rijeka International Airports a possible Cargo Hub to and from Central Europe. The aim of the project is to attract investments in order to make airport operations, both passenger and cargo traffic, more profitable.

The City of Rijeka has established "Rijeka promet" Ltd, a company responsible for managing overall traffic development in the interest of the city. Air traffic is one of the city´s most emphasized interests. "Rijeka promet" Ltd offers potential investors consulting services for investing into Rijeka International Airport project.

For further information contact:

City of Rijeka
Department for urbanism and ecology
Phone +385 51 209 443
E-mail urban-eko@grad-rijeka.htnet.hr
srdan.skunca@grad-rijeka.htnet.hr

Rijeka promet Ltd
Fiumara 13, Rijeka
Phone +385 51 352 555
Fax +385 51 352 550
E-mail rijeka-promet@ri.htnet.hr

^wow, great news SC, nice work... does Rijeka have any plans in building new cargo terminal? Are they looking for join venture? I know Port of Rijeka has grown rapidly over past few years, in 2005 it had 45% growth in cargo, and in 2006 Port is hoping to handle over 20 million tones of cargo...

Airport with large cargo terminal would be a logical conclusion, well Amsterdam, Antwerp, Rotterdam, Hamburg and Singapore have all massive cargo terminals, I think Amsterdam's is largest in the world with 1.25 million tones of cargo in 2000...


Mate how is your scheduling anyways, what do you plan for this weekend? if you got time, can you pop up to the Zagreb airport and take few photos, only if you have time... New ATC for example...

Anyways have few questions about Zagreb Airport ?
http://img281.imageshack.us/img281/4273/pleso5ru.jpg

On this picture I found new structure what is it?
Is it new cargo terminal ? looks quite large 184m52m, only thing I could come uo with is Croatian Airlines technical hanger or cargo terminal? Can you find out for me, thanx a lot..

New ATC is 170m to the right of passenger terminal just above the parking area looks big to, 25x100m , impressive...

:D

Let JAT bark,as long as they don t bite! :)

No worries for CA as long as JATs pilots keep landing on highways!

http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=288292

:hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious
:rofl: :rofl: :cheers1: Verrrrrrry good post mate. :okay:


@ SinCity - Good article mate :okay:

@ KM - The day Jat will fly to the US and Canada will be when Papua New Guinea Air Transport will order it's 500th A380.

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/9207/pleso5ru9sx.jpg

1. This is the airforce hangar. Look on the east side and you will see three Canadairs! Cargo terminal is somewhere on the east side of the current terminal.

2. The white one is the CA hangar,and the blue one is the Croatian goverment hangar. They have one Canadair CL600 Challenger.

P.S. I m in Split now and having scool,so I can hardly come and take pitcures. Ask LF or Endimion17.

Upsss, sorry, I thought you where in Zagreb, sorry...

thanx for rest...

Few photos from the Web, Zagreb Pleso Airport...

http://site.voila.fr/duhan/airports/126_2695_IMG.JPG
http://site.voila.fr/duhan/airports/127_2710_IMG.JPG
http://site.voila.fr/duhan/airports/127_2711_IMG.JPG
http://site.voila.fr/duhan/airports/127_2712_IMG.JPG
http://site.voila.fr/duhan/airports/127_2713_IMG.JPG

GOD DAMN!!! :D

Where did you find these?

This is SO cool!

:)

http://www.kogra.hr/Skica.jpg

Here is your cargo terminal.

;)

Taxiway Foxtrot:
http://www.novophalt.com/images/photos/Airport_Zagreb.jpg

GOD DAMN!!! :D

Where did you find these?

This is SO cool!

:)


http://www.forum.croplus.net, lol :)

But I am looking for better - termnal and new ATC,...


ref: cargo terminal , :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

lol, it is pathetic, lol, tiny itsy bitsy lol....

I'll see if I can dig up more info on the planned Rijeka Air Cargo centre. It makes sense because of the airport location away from the city.

Zagreb and Belgrade airports are both different for a number of reasons.

Zagreb competes against other international airports in Croatia such as Split, Dubrovnik, etc. Both of which have 1 million passengers each year. Belgrade is Serbia's only significant international airport. There are small airports in Montenegro but they are no where near as busy to similar ones in Croatia.

Therefore if Zagreb was Croatia's sole international airport as to what Belgrade is in Serbia, then passenger numbers would be much more massive than currently in Belgrade.

Secondly, Croatia is a major tourism mecca. Serbia isn't a tourism destination. Therefore Zagreb and all other Croatian airports will continue to grow and grow in the decades ahead. Belgrade's airport will reach a maximum soon and will never likely see any significant expansion in the decades ahead apart from some minor renovations here and there.

Thirdly, both countries have large emigrant communities, Croatia more so than Serbia which of course will help sustain passenger levels equally for both countries.

Lastly, Serbia is planning to turn Belgrade airport into an air transport hub. I'm not sure how this will go as I am unfamiliar with their plans and also what other competion exists in our neighbourhood.

Croatia doesn't have to focus on air transportation as much because the Croatian coast has many large shipping ports. For example the Port of Rijeka which will become the new Rotterdam of the south handling freight to and from Asia and the Middle East. Rijeka and Rotterdam are the top two most deepest ports in Europe which can handle the biggest of the biggest, of all ships.

I think in summary Belgrade airport will continue to be Serbia's sole major international airport with moderate passenger growth in the years ahead before it tops out. Belgrade will most likely develop into a successful air freight airport.

Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Rijeka and Pula airports will continue to grow significantly in the decades ahead to which there will be many airport expansions.

Cheers :)

exactly my point. Croatia had 10 million tourists this year and that number will grow and grow, so all Croatian airports have huge potential, zagreb especialy, where number of passangers grows 10% every year. last year it had 1,4 milions, in 2010 that number will probably be 2 millions etc. On the other hand serbian airport will reach top very soon and then number of pasangers won't grow significantly. Also, Serbia has only one important airport, while Croatia has Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik which all have at least one million pasangers per year + other airports like Rijeka, Zadar, Brač, Osijek etc. So it would be interesting to compare number of passangers in Serbia and Croatia in general. I am sure they are much behind us.

exactly my point. Croatia had 10 million tourists this year and that number will grow and grow, so all Croatian airports have huge potential, zagreb especialy, where number of passangers grows 10% every year. last year it had 1,4 milions, in 2010 that number will probably be 2 millions etc. On the other hand serbian airport will reach top very soon and then number of pasangers won't grow significantly. Also, Serbia has only one important airport, while Croatia has Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik which all have at least one million pasangers per year + other airports like Rijeka, Zadar, Brač, Osijek etc. So it would be interesting to compare number of passangers in Serbia and Croatia in general. I am sure they are much behind us.

For sure, they're behind. I think a lot more airlines fly to Croatia and this is not just to Zagreb Airport.

Predicted traffic for airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010. - again, lol...

Belgrade – 4.0 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 2.1 million
Ljubljana – 1.85 million
Split – 1.55 Million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Sarajevo – 1000 000
Pula – 850 000
Podgorica – 650 000
Tivat – 600 000
Zadar – 320 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
Mostar 160 000
Ohrid – 140 000
Banja Luka - 130 000
Brac – 125 000
Osijek – 120 000
Nis – 110 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000
N. Sad – 20 000

and Actual for 2005 - predicted on trends thus far... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Belgrade – 2.35 million
Zagreb – 1.55 million
Ljubljana – 1.25 million
Dubrovnik – 1.15 million
Split – 950 000
Skopje – 865 000
Sarajevo – 520 000
Podgorica – 410 000
Tivat – 360 000
Pula – 275 000
Zadar – 150 000
Rijeka – 125 000
Banja Luka - 95 000
Mostar 80 000
Ohrid – 60 000
Nis – 65 000
Brac – 45 000
Portroz 25 000
Osijek – 30 000
Losinj - 25 000
Maribor – 20 000
N. Sad – 6 000

Here are some pics I made on 3th august 2005. Flight OU656 Zagreb-Split. Sorry for the quality,they re taken with the mobile phone!

Enjoy! :)

Nice rainy day and a DHC-8 landing on RWY05. Note the CATIIIb approach lights and the Croatian coat of arms made out of flowers:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9436/5272kx.jpg

Old ATC tower:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3038/5281ch.jpg

Croatia Airlines A319-112 (9A-CTL):
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/4869/628sd.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6099/635pr.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6449/645is.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9779/677qm.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1763/6102ja.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5313/6177lx.jpg

It s getting dark:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/74/6241me.jpg

Finaly we re moving! We spent 45min waiting for the Split intl. to open beacuse of the raging storm over there:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9817/6310kx.jpg

Cleared for take-off,runway 05. Croatia 656,Split departure approved!
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3342/6428rk.jpg

At Split intl.
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1673/6543em.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9252/6555mg.jpg

Nice upgraded terminal at Split:
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5507/6607re.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9245/6678as.jpg


That s all folks! :)

:runaway:

^ Good pictures :).

I never knew Croatia Airlines had TV's in their planes. First for the Balkans I guess. :okay:

Predicted traffic for airports in former Yugoslavia by 2010. - again, lol...

Belgrade – 4.0 million
Zagreb – 3.2 million
Dubrovnik – 2.1 million
Ljubljana – 1.85 million
Split – 1.55 Million
Skopje – 1.35 million
Sarajevo – 1000 000
Pula – 850 000
Podgorica – 650 000
Tivat – 600 000
Zadar – 320 000
Rijeka – 240 000
Maribor – 180 000
Mostar 160 000
Osijek – 150 000
Ohrid – 140 000
Banja Luka - 130 000
Nis – 110 000
Brac – 105 000
Portroz 52 000
Losinj - 32 000
N. Sad – 20 000

and Actual for 2005 - predicted on trends thus far... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Belgrade – 2.35 million
Zagreb – 1.55 million
Ljubljana – 1.25 million
Dubrovnik – 1.15 million
Split – 950 000
Skopje – 865 000
Sarajevo – 520 000
Podgorica – 410 000
Tivat – 360 000
Pula – 275 000
Zadar – 150 000
Rijeka – 125 000
Banja Luka - 95 000
Mostar 80 000
Ohrid – 60 000
Nis – 65 000
Brac – 45 000
Portroz 25 000
Osijek – 35 000
Losinj - 25 000
Maribor – 20 000
N. Sad – 6 000


I'll save these...for comparison in five years time:)
GOod work, by the way:okay:

@ Mike, do you have any prediction list for airport capacities in 2010?

^ I did only for Croatian Airports and Ljubljana Airport. Once I called Belgrade Airport way back in March and asked them to give me data for Belgrade, traffic figures, they did, but only just...


For Croatian Airport I can send you data in Excel format, but you need to pm with you e-mail...

Predictions goes all the way to 2015...

Dubrovnik Airport out of 65 European airports was voted by British Airways to be its most successful partner in the past 18 months. :)

VRIJEDNO PRIZNANJE ZRAČNOJ LUCI »DUBROVNIK«
Najbolji partner »British Airwaysa«

http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/11/167942.jpg

DUBROVNIK – Između 65 zračnih luka u Europi u koje redovno slijeću zrakoplovi »British Airwaysa«, za najuspješnijeg partnera najveće britanske aviokompanije na kratkim letovima tijekom proteklih 18 mjeseci proglašena je zračna luka »Dubrovnik«. To vrijedno priznanje je odano u londonskom sjedištu »British Airwaysa« prilikom sastanka čelnika te zrakoplovne tvrtke i više od 150 predstavnika europskih zračnih luka u kojima se obavlja prihvat i otprema zrakoplova i putnika britanskog avioprijevoznika. Na sastanku održanom pod geslom »Kako graditi našu budućnost zajedno« raspravljano je o budućim planovima »British Airwaysa« i o svim partnerima kompanije koji joj pružaju usluge u zračnim lukama izvan Velike Britanije.
S. A.

:cheers:

No comment needed,ha,ha! :)

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3472/00000216a3303009zo.jpg

^is this a photo-shopped, wow, nice work, I can't believe it is real, I know CA doesn't own A330's.. :)

BTW A330's are crap, they are way to expensive (to run) and cost a lot I think new A330 is about 110€ million where as new B787 is about 85€ million, if CA where to get new Wide body aircrafts it wouldn't be A330's or A340's trust me... Even A350 is far to big, B787 would be cheapest and best option as it has capacity for 250-300 passengers (all economy or 210 in 3 class configuration) with range of about 10 000NM... :) :)

i like the split airport

^is this a photo-shopped, wow, nice work, I can't believe it is real, I know CA doesn't own A330's.. :)

BTW A330's are crap, they are way to expensive (to run) and cost a lot I think new A330 is about 110€ million where as new B787 is about 85€ million, if CA where to get new Wide body aircrafts it wouldn't be A330's or A340's trust me... Even A350 is far to big, B787 would be cheapest and best option as it has capacity for 250-300 passengers (all economy or 210 in 3 class configuration) with range of about 10 000NM... :) :)

If that was photo-chopped then its pretty cool work. So CAs biggest jet is the A320 ????

Yeah, SC, A320 is biggest aircraft with in Croatian, although there are plans for long hull but this are very long term plans, say 10-15 years in future.. I think B787 would be best option for CA, although CA perhaps prefers to keep only to 2 types of aircraft with in fleet, B787 would be best option if going for Long Hull aircraft way in future.

A350 is about 20% larger thus more expensive aircraft, B330 is about 35% larger than B787 and B767 are to old... Best option to be frank would be A310 but this are very old aircraft now, it is not only size of the aircraft, but fuel consumption, load factor and demand for intercontinental flights... Unless Croatia gets more than 300 000 US tourist each year you can forget Long Hull flights...

Calculate (basics of aircraft operations) A330 takes about 300 passengers, each paying say 500 U$, say it flies to New York and Chicago 2-wice a week...

320x4x2x52x500 = 66.5 million U$ per Aircraft = 100% Load factor or full revenue...
Expenses, each time it lands it faces a charge (landing fee) of about 5000U$, For Over-flights rights and use of airspace it needs to pay about 500 U$ per country flies over, say this is another 5000U$. (2080 000x2)

Crew will cost about Captain 120 000U$, Co-Pilot - 100 000U$, 8 members of crew about 160 000U$ PA... Insurance for Aircraft and Crew is about 5% of the value of the Aircraft about 6 million U$. Fuel will cost about 500U$ per tone or about 6.24 million U$ per year...

OK lets add all this,
Landing Charges : 2 080 000
Over-flights : 2 080 000
Crew: 380 000 + Upkeep
Insurance - 6 250 000
Fuel Costs: 6 240 000
Annual Refit: 5 000 000
Engines: 24 000 000
Body Paint and Testing of Fuselage: 3 200 000
Electronic Bay support and testing: 2 500 000
Avionics Check Up: 1 500 000
Cleaning: 3 600 000
total: 56 830 000...

For A330 to make profit it'll need to make 57 million U$, or 85% or better load factor with 320 passengers pax... Now you see why Long Hull aircrafts are so expensive...



I hope I made a point, lol, sorry to be so blunt and harsh but you need to understand economics of Airline business...

OK, most A330 do fly 10 times a week and I calculated for only 8, with 10 flights A330 should make 84 million with 100% load factor and expenses would be in region of 64 million U$ giving it 20 million U$ profit, but if load factor goes below 70% Aircraft is no longer making money....

Yeah, SC, A320 is biggest aircraft with in Croatian, although there are plans for long hull but this are very long term plans, say 10-15 years in future.. I think B787 would be best option for CA, although CA perhaps prefers to keep only to 2 types of aircraft with in fleet, B787 would be best option if going for Long Hull aircraft way in future.

A350 is about 20% larger thus more expensive aircraft, B330 is about 35% larger than B787 and B767 are to old... Best option to be frank would be A310 but this are very old aircraft now, it is not only size of the aircraft, but fuel consumption, load factor and demand for intercontinental flights... Unless Croatia gets more than 300 000 US tourist each year you can forget Long Hull flights...

Calculate (basics of aircraft operations) A330 takes about 300 passengers, each paying say 500 U$, say it flies to New York and Chicago 2-wice a week...

320x4x2x52x500 = 66.5 million U$ per Aircraft = 100% Load factor or full revenue...
Expenses, each time it lands it faces a charge (landing fee) of about 5000U$, For Over-flights rights and use of airspace it needs to pay about 500 U$ per country flies over, say this is another 5000U$. (2080 000x2)

Crew will cost about Captain 120 000U$, Co-Pilot - 100 000U$, 8 members of crew about 160 000U$ PA... Insurance for Aircraft and Crew is about 5% of the value of the Aircraft about 6 million U$. Fuel will cost about 500U$ per tone or about 6.24 million U$ per year...

OK lets add all this,
Landing Charges : 2 080 000
Over-flights : 2 080 000
Crew: 380 000 + Upkeep
Insurance - 6 250 000
Fuel Costs: 6 240 000
Annual Refit: 5 000 000
Engines: 24 000 000
Body Paint and Testing of Fuselage: 3 200 000
Electronic Bay support and testing: 2 500 000
Avionics Check Up: 1 500 000
Cleaning: 3 600 000
total: 56 830 000...

For A330 to make profit it'll need to make 57 million U$, or 85% or better load factor with 320 passengers pax... Now you see why Long Hull aircrafts are so expensive...



I hope I made a point, lol, sorry to be so blunt and harsh but you need to understand economics of Airline business...



Why is everyone so focused on tourism? You seem to forget about Zagreb as a possible transfer hub. So why shouldn't people from Athens, Bukarest, Sofia, Belgrade, Skopie and even Budapest use Zagreb as a stopover to oversees. As far as I think this is the way to make money! This is not a new idea. All these Croatian d**ba***s have to do is copy e.g. from Czech Airlines...however even for this they seem to be incapable...Fortunately they are not alone in the region.

Here are some of my Flight simulator 2004. adventures! CA A320-214 around LDZA Zagreb,Pleso. Hope you enjoy these pics! :)

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8476/tztztzu0nt.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/35/kiuoiuioi3ap.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2376/ztjutzuitzui1jt.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1392/ukiuo8o2yy.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1052/hjitgzi3rd.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2156/hjghiuhk5tl.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1236/jkhoio9qy.jpg

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9162/gfjfjzfg0pd.jpg

great stuff MB, great stuff. :okay: :okay: :okay:

Why is everyone so focused on tourism? You seem to forget about Zagreb as a possible transfer hub. So why shouldn't people from Athens, Bukarest, Sofia, Belgrade, Skopie and even Budapest use Zagreb as a stopover to oversees. As far as I think this is the way to make money! This is not a new idea. All these Croatian d**ba***s have to do is copy e.g. from Czech Airlines...however even for this they seem to be incapable...Fortunately they are not alone in the region.

I'm not focused on tourism, I already pointed this out, most of the traffic on most major international airports is not tourist but business related activity such as business travellers and transfers...

For Airline to make money they need tourist, this is completely different matter, most airlines do ok as they are, but considering how badly CA was thought out and how poorly they utilise there aircraft and fleet it is perhaps no wonder they prefer to use tourism as vehicle of there own progress or stability (staying afloat)... Who ever runs CA has poor knowledge of managements and airline business, for example If I where to run CA I would have fleet of 30-32 Aircrafts, 10A320, 15A319, 5ATR72 and on order 2B787 100.

During summer I would put all A320's on charter service to bring as many tourist, whilst A319 would continue there scheduled traffic, CA would fly to about 50-55 Destinations in Europe and near East, Dubai, Cairo, Tel Aviv, Casablanca and almost every major EU city, in Russia I would fly to Skt. Petersburg and allow Aeroflot to cover Zagreb-Moscow route. All of ATR-72 would exclusively cover domestic traffic and regional Airports, Innsbruck, Graz, Venice, Bologna, Florence, Sarajevo, Skopje and Mostar. B787 100, when they enter service sometimes in 2010, I would use them to cover cities of New York, Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Los Angeles and Toronto in NA and Buenos Aires in South America.. All this cities have more than 250 000 Croats in first, second or 3rd generation, untapped market awaiting to be utilised... Tokyo, Singapore, Sydney, Melbourne, Auckland and Perth in Oceania and Asia would be destination I would cover with these 2 aircraft.

AS strategic objective I would start up travel agencies which would be tightly connected with main CA operations, PR and advertising campaign would primarily be directed at targeting long hull destinations with support from HTZ in funds and technical and administrative support. Say in New York area I would advertise in New York Post, NewsDay and NY Times, make some sort of funny gimmicks connected with main cultural events I New York Area and invite local tourist organisations and business ppl working in travel industry to an annual event held with in confined of Croatian cultural centre in New York. I would also organise charity and sponsorship events, allow some of the underprivileged American students to study at Zagreb University or American University in Zagreb. Get TV and Radio Interviews, organise events which would educate Americans sorry New Yorkers about Croatia and so on, list goes on...

This is just example of many ideas I would implement and make sure they work in long term for airline...

What CA is doing lol, I better not bother saying, they are only on 12 Aircrafts of which one is leased from Lufthansa, arrrgh, what's the use...

Pleso Airport, can never play major role in transit market, it is to small and to insignificant to make this market work, anyways I can go much more deeper but ask me some other time when I feel like talking, right now gtg..
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

You´ve said it all,man! :)

Here is one interesting link. A bit outdated,but good anyway.

http://www.azworldairports.com/cfm/frame.cfm?src=http://azworldairports.com/airports/

:runaway:

I'm really surprised at how CA have limited their markets and capabilities.

There are almost no flights to Asia, US, etc.

For example there are no flights to Israel and yet Croatia is the second biggest tourism destination for Israelis. Second only to Turkey and this number is fast rising.

This year Croatia had 200,000 visitors from Israel. All of which pretty much arrived via air. There needs to be a flight to a major hub in Asia so that at least Croats and others from Australia can get connecting flights ....

They had flights to Tel Aviv! I don t know what happend with that!

Check out the new site!

http://www.croatiaairlines.hr/Default.aspx?tabid=295

some great ideas by mic, it would be very interesting if you could post again with more depth. CA has so far finished almost every year with profits, and shows potential, but potential is not enough, much larger investment in greater long-haul,promotion,business travel etc is needed. i am posting some of my own CA future posibilities.....

1.Large Investment in size and modernisation of fleet.
-Replacing aging ATR planes with newer modern Regional Jets, for example the Bombardier CRJ.
-Adding at least 10-15 more each Airbus A319 and Airbus A320
-For long haul, B787 probably is the best option,however the 777-200LR and 747-8(advanced) should not be overlooked, especialy for possible east asian market.the other very strong market option is the north/south america routes, which have many 1-3rd generation croats who want an alternative to that dam frankfurt/munich(nothing against the germans :) )-zagreb switch over. ie (over 100,000 croats in toronto, being one, and knowing many, a zagreb-toronto route would never be empty, especialy in summer, where we have to book many months in advance to get a ticket)...this brings me to the next point.

2.A large increase in Destinations and Promotion
So far CA has 20-30 destinations(i mite be wrong), many more need to be added, croatian potential in luring not only more tourists, but many more business/investments thru air travel is huge. (nothing but big increase in foreign investments and new tourists this year).here is a rough list of destinations i would have for CA...
DOMESTIC
Zagreb,Split,Dubrovnik,Rijeka,Osijek,Zadar,Pula,Brac

EUROPE
AUSTRIA: Graz,Vienna,Innsbruck
BELARUS: Minsk
BELGIUM: Brussels
BOSNIA HERZEGOVINA: Sarajevo,Mostar,Tuzla
BULGARIA: Sofia
CZECH REPUBLIC: Prague
DENMARK: Copenhagen
ESTONIA: Tallinn
FINDLAND: Helsinki
FRANCE: Paris(Orleans/Charles de Gaulle),Lyon,Bordeaux,Strasbourg,Toulouse,Marseille
GERMANY: Frankfurt,Munich,Berlin,Dusseldorf,Hamburg,Dortmund,Cologne/Bonn,Hanover
GREECE: Athens,Thessaloniki
HUNGARY: Budapest
IRELAND: Dublin,Cork
ITALY: Roma,Milan,Venice
LATVIA: Riga
LITHUANIA: Vilinus
MACEDONIA: Skopje,Ohrid
MALTA: Malta
NETHERLANDS: Amsterdam
NORWAY: Oslo
POLAND: Katowice,Krakow,Warsaw
PORTUGAL: Lisbon,Porto
ROMANIA: Bucharest
RUSSIA: St.Petersburg,Moscow
SCOTLAND: Edinburgh
SERBIA: Belgrade,Nis
SLOVAKIA: Bratislava
SPAIN: Barcelona,Madrid
SWEDEN: Gothenburg,Stokholm
SWITZERLAND: Basel,Zurich,Geneva
UKRAINE: Kyiv,Dnipropetrovsk
ENGLAND: London(Heathrow/Gatwick),Manchester,Midland,Birmingham,Newcastle

NORTH AMERICA (many croatian descendants/immigrants in N.A and S.A)
CANADA: Toronto,Montreal
AMERICA: New York,Chicago,Cleveland,Pittsburgh,Seattle,Los Angeles

SOUTH AMERICA
ARGENTINA: Buenos Aires
CHILE: Santiago

AFRICA

EGYPT: Cairo
LIBYA: Tripoli
TUNISIA: Tunis
SOUTH AFRICA: Johanesburg,Cape Town (around 100.000+ croats in south africa)

ASIA (Big business/investment possibilities, oh and tourism, lots of potential tourism here as well)
CHINA: Beijing, Hong Kong,possibly Shanghai
JAPAN: Tokyo,Osaka
INDIA: Delhi
SINGAPORE: Singapore
MALAYSIA: Kuala Lumpur
INDONESIA: Jakarta
THAILAND: Bangkok
TURKEY: Istanbul
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: Dubai, Abu Dhabi
SAUDI ARABIA: Riyadh
QATAR: Doha
LEBANON: Beirut
SYRIA: Damascus
KUWAIT: Kuwait
ISREAL: Tel Aviv (200,000 visitors from isreal this year!!)

OCEANIA
AUSTRALIA: Sydney,Melbourne (Many croats live in australia as well)

3.Upgrading CA to at least a 4 Star Airline, an elite airline in the world does much better than a medium size 3 star airline.

4.Do not rule out a possible CA Shipping division, shipping is another strong possibility for croatian Investmens, especialy with many new infastructure projects(Rijeka Port,Zagreb Airport,New Highways etc) look at Atlasnka Plovidba..successfull croatian shipping company.....

possibilities for CA to become a world wide competitive leader in civil aviation and possibly cargo are realistic and achievable

^^ LOL at the Frankfurt switch over. :D

I know what you mean. I have to fly direct from Sydney to Frankfurt for my connecting flight to Zagreb. How much better if they did a direct Sydney - Zagreb flight.

It would pay off as we too in Australia have to book months in advance for flights to Croatia during summer.

BTW I sent you a message. :)

Cheers :cheers:

some great ideas by mic, it would be very interesting if you could post again with more depth.
I'll try my best,

First of all I would reorganise CA network, I would keep turboprops as they are more efficient and new ATR72 500 are quite fast and reliable, make sure they only fly up to ranges of 500-550km at most or about hour of flight. 5ATR72 would fly to all regional destinations freeing A320's and 319's for other routes. I would try to improve connection between some Croatian Cities, Example Osijek - Dubrovnik, Osijek -Zadar, Split and so on would be well connected by at lest 2 flights per day, made sure all aircrafts are fully utilised this means 5 takes offs and 5 landings each day 364 days a year... Service intervals would be done so at no point I loose half of the fleet to service checks as this the case now with CA, all Aircraft would be assigned specific route and countries, I would increase flights to some of the most demanding routes and offer discount rates to passengers if they fly more than 3 times a month...

Marketing campaigned which would emphasise speed and connivance of air travel in Croatia, ppl still use buses to go places like Split or Osijek, yuck, being transported like cattle, I would reduce passenger tickets on all domestic routes so they are only 10-15% above train/bus ticket price but speed and convenience is what counts...

These are destinations I would fly worldwide, all other destinations wouldn't be feasible, due to the size of Croatian market and competition for destinations among major European Airlines, Financially wouldn't be prudent to fly example to India if there are no interest for this destination, let Air India fly to us, or Latvia, or any other destination...

For Sofia, Bucharest, Riga, I would invite there national airlines to cover this routes in exchange for 20-25% seats on there planes for CA... let them spend fuel and if it is profitable in longer term, yeah why not...

AUSTRIA: Vienna (Graz, Innsbruck - Regional Service)
BELGIUM: Brussels
BOSNIA HERZEGOVINA: Sarajevo, (Mostar regional Service)
CZECH REPUBLIC: Prague
DENMARK: Copenhagen
FINLAND: Helsinki
FRANCE: Paris (Charles de Gaulle), Lyon, Nice
GERMANY: Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin, (charter - Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Stuttgart)
GREECE: Athens,
HUNGARY: Budapest
IRELAND: Dublin,
ITALY: Roma, Milan (Venice, Bologna, Florence, Trieste - regional Service)
MACEDONIA: Skopje, (regional service only - transfer in Zagreb for Europe and Intercn.)
NETHERLANDS: Amsterdam
NORWAY: Oslo
POLAND: ,Krakow, Warsaw
PORTUGAL: Lisbon
RUSSIA: St. Petersburg, Moscow (only with Aeroflot)
SERBIA: let JAT cover this route, but only after 2009...
SLOVAKIA: Bratislava
SPAIN: Barcelona, Madrid
SWEDEN: Gothenburg, Stockholm
SWITZERLAND: Zurich
UK: London (Heathrow/Gatwick), Manchester, (charter: Birmingham, Leeds, Glasgow)
CANADA: Toronto,
USA: New York, Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Seattle, Los Angeles
ARGENTINA: Buenos Aires
CHILE: Santiago
SOUTH AFRICA: Cape Town (around 100.000+ Croats in South Africa)
CHINA: Shanghai
JAPAN: Tokyo, Osaka
SINGAPORE: Singapore (for Australian and far east flgihts -stop off)
TURKEY: Istanbul
UNITED ARAB EMIRATES: Dubai
ISRAEL: Tel Aviv (charter only if security situation improves) Invite El AL to Zagreb instead
AUSTRALIA & NZ: Sydney, Melbourne, Perth. Auckland

Domestic: Osijek, Zagreb, Pula, Rijeka, Zadar, Split, Dubrovnik, (in season: Brac, Losinj,)

total: 58 destinations, Charter: 7, Co-Op: 3. Domestic: 9

Fleet:
10 A320 230
15 A319 100
5 ATR72 500
2 B787 100
total: 32

total 3250 staff...

Defenitley very well organised plan here, you have included a lot more aviation economics, which i have to brush up on a little :) ,my ideas were more rough, altho there are a few points that i have thought about... i have read about this in other forums and on other news...about cro aviation in general

1.What about completing a modernisation of pleso, but keeping it a more local/regional airport, and investing in a brand new much larger Zagreb Airport in a new location(this would help with the situation of the 600+ houses that need to be relocated) (i kind of based this idea from your idea of building a new stadium for Dinamo Zagreb in the Zagreb forums) i kno this would cost a lot of money, but with enough investments and promotion it could be a possibility.

2.Do you have any information about plans for other airline cariers such as qantas/air canada/any american airline that might have plans in the near future to do direct zagreb flights, i kno this has been mentioned recently.(i have tried to check air canada the most, as i live there, but i think they have had their own troubles recently, and have not recieved much of a reply/info from them to date)

3.as for airport modernisation, is there any concrete information on dubrovnik airport's plans to increase Cilipi, as this year so far has been very successful, even having British Airlines name that airport as one of its best partners.

ATR72-500 is too small for domestic rutes (at least Zagreb,Split and Dubrovik). It holds only 70 passengers.
A319 holds about 140 passengers and if some 70% of it s filled,it s at least 100 people!

But everything else is great! I like the B787!

I just don t understand why this is not at least in their mid-term plans?

Are they all really stupid or we overlooked something?

:bash:

Defenitley very well organised plan here, you have included a lot more aviation economics, which i have to brush up on a little :) ,my ideas were more rough, altho there are a few points that i have thought about... i have read about this in other forums and on other news...about cro aviation in general.

Cool, what other forums? Nice to know there're more forums where Croatian Airports are discussed, lol...



1.What about completing a modernisation of pleso, but keeping it a more local/regional airport, and investing in a brand new much larger Zagreb Airport in a new location (this would help with the situation of the 600+ houses that need to be relocated) (i kind of based this idea from your idea of building a new stadium for Dinamo Zagreb in the Zagreb forums) I know this would cost a lot of money, but with enough investments and promotion it could be a possibility..

Well, building new stadium on new location is not as difficult as moving/building entire airport to new location, 600 houses built on airport land where illegally built, they all knew this is airport land when they moved on it, imagine this happening in Toronto (say Pearson International Airport) I'm, sure Canadian authorities would act swiftly if someone build a house on airport land. 600 Homes build there will need to be knocked anyway, this land belongs to Airport, there are no options, most ppl know they going to be evicted, I am sorry for all who going to loose there livelihoods, hope is State will provide them with alternative accommodation, why state you might ask, bc land belongs to state and not the city...

Building new airport in vicinity of Zagreb on new location is impossible, there simply is no way to build an airport on new location with in 25km of city centre, anywhere you look, (use Google earth) land is already heavily used, to the west is loads of small villages and to the east very hilly area which again is full of houses, to the south there are more villages, nowhere else to go.. Use economic sense, to knock down 600 houses you only need t pay for demolishing and clearance (not even that if you use ingenuity). Option can be given to all ppl who lived there to knock (and clear the land) there own houses in return state and city authorities will buy out construction material, (bricks and stuff) and secure planed and landscaped plot of about 600-1000 hectares about 4km away from the airport, state will build little village for all 600 families (ok this is just an idea) and everyone is happy..

Building all together new Airport can cost about 1.2-1.5 billion U$ (a minimum), something State or City can't afford, not at this moment...

2.Do you have any information about plans for other airline carriers such as Qantas/Air Canada/any American Airline that might have plans in the near future to do direct Zagreb flights, I know this has been mentioned recently. I have tried to check Air Canada the most, as I live there, but I think they have had their own troubles recently, and have not received much of a reply/info from them to date).

Sorry, nothing, I never bothered to check this up, I know Qantas has very few flights to Europe, London, Rome, Paris and Amsterdam are only destinations they fly to. Air Canada might re-start there Zagreb Route but I'm not cretin of this would be cool if you check this out, call them and bug them until they get back to you, and if you are not happy, come to me and I'll try my Mr, James Bond, lol...

3.as for airport modernisation, is there any concrete information on Dubrovnik airport's plans to increase Cilipi, as this year so far has been very successful, even having British Airlines name that airport as one of its best partners.

Yes, I'll need to follow up a bit, I was to bussy, there are many plans and Mate Balota will be one who is going to post all the info on Dubrovnik Airport... Give me few days for that, and Mate...

ATR72-500 is too small for domestic rutes (at least Zagreb,Split and Dubrovik). It holds only 70 passengers.
A319 holds about 140 passengers and if some 70% of it s filled,it s at least 100 people!

But everything else is great! I like the B787!

I just don t understand why this is not at least in their mid-term plans?

Are they all really stupid or we overlooked something?

:bash:

trust me one ATR72 500 twice a day to Dubrovnik or Split from any other Croatian city would more than suffice, and ATR72 500 uses about 25-30% of A319 fuel consumption..

for other, lol, not my fight, lol :)

trust me one ATR72 500 twice a day to Dubrovnik or Split from any other Croatian city would more than suffice, and ATR72 500 uses about 25-30% of A319 fuel consumption..

for other, lol, not my fight, lol :)

They keep on saying that they are Star Alliance member now and that all of the long-haul flights will be done by Lufthansa! It s compitely stupid to say something like this! Who wants to fly Zg-Fra-NY when he can do Zg-NY?!?

.....ah.......Croatians....... :bash: ........ :bash: .......... :bash: ........


P.S. You really scared me with that BANNANED comment! For a second I tought you wore banned from the forum beacuse of that sebian mess!

:runaway:

^^ I agree with you. I think it’s not the best move. Becoming a regional star alliance member means becoming a puppet to Lufthansa, Austrian or Swiss.

P.S. You really scared me with that BANNANED comment! For a second I tought you wore banned from the forum beacuse of that sebian mess!

:runaway:

lol, don't worry, u always can keep in touch with me by e-mail, lol..

They keep on saying that they are Star Alliance member now and that all of the long-haul flights will be done by Lufthansa! It s compitely stupid to say something like this! Who wants to fly Zg-Fra-NY when he can do Zg-NY?!?

cost's...


Calculate (basics of aircraft operations) A330 takes about 300 passengers, each paying say 500 U$, say it flies to New York and Chicago 2-wice a week...

320x4x2x52x500 = 66.5 million U$ per Aircraft = 100% Load factor or full revenue...
Expenses, each time it lands it faces a charge (landing fee) of about 5000U$, For Over-flights rights and use of airspace it needs to pay about 500 U$ per country flies over, say this is another 5000U$. (2080 000x2)

Crew will cost about Captain 120 000U$, Co-Pilot - 100 000U$, 8 members of crew about 160 000U$ PA... Insurance for Aircraft and Crew is about 5% of the value of the Aircraft about 6 million U$. Fuel will cost about 500U$ per tone or about 6.24 million U$ per year...

OK lets add all this,
Landing Charges : 2 080 000
Over-flights : 2 080 000
Crew: 380 000 + Upkeep
Insurance - 6 250 000
Fuel Costs: 6 240 000
Annual Refit: 5 000 000
Engines: 24 000 000
Body Paint and Testing of Fuselage: 3 200 000
Electronic Bay support and testing: 2 500 000
Avionics Check Up: 1 500 000
Cleaning: 3 600 000
total: 56 830 000...

For A330 to make profit it'll need to make 57 million U$, or 85% or better load factor with 320 passengers pax... Now you see why Long Hull aircrafts are so expensive...



I hope I made a point, lol, sorry to be so blunt and harsh but you need to understand economics of Airline business...

Let me elaborate a bit, CA when formed way back in 1989 (1991) was conceived with good reasons but poor planning. Man' who where in charge of CA at very begging started airline as a defiant move towards Belgrade authorities and had no idea how to run an airline. Example Airline at first only flew to minor airports in Germany and Switzerland, with little planning and even less business acumen.

Anyway these very same man remained with in CA all they way up to1999, they influenced CA's development and growth, none of the them have serious knowledge of Airline business, many are involved in tourism (running hotels, restaurants) and therefore have little knowledge how to run or manage an airline.

In 1994 CA got 5 B737 200A from Lufthansa at incredible price of 35 million U$, which was a rip off price they where worth at most 15 million U$ and even than networks was always temporary, it had no permanence, time scheduling or destinations CA flew to, example in Autumn scheduling airline would fly to Gothenburg, but in Winter they would switch to Copenhagen or Stockholm, it was a real mess as passengers who where interested to fly with CA had to switch constantly or fly with alternative Airlines like SAS, Lufthansa, or BA...

To make things worse, CA lost customer base which would have grew and grew if they kept flying to these destination. Anyways loses in 90's where such bc of poor management airline at one point had to sack its MD for incompetence, anyway government did sack the MD (retired - political spin) of CA in 1998, and new man took over, but he continued along the business polices of of his predecessor and CA was continually loosing money although less than before, in 1998 airline had about 6 million U$ of losses and this was considered a good result, anyway CA became profitable only in 2000, with introduction of A319'sa and A320 in to the fleet... All of the B737's where retired same year but poor management never completed purchase of 7A319 and 5A320's as originally planed but got stuck on 3 A320- and 4 A319, what, now almost 3 years, with constantly leasing 2-3 aircraft each tourist season due to lack of capacities...

If they stuck to original plan they'd have no need to lease aircrafts on short term contracts which are very expensive... CA if it had purchased original 12 A320/319 by 2004, would now have more or less very profitable airline with ideas of Intercontinental flights say NA or Australia towards the end of this decade... Still they would need to wait for B787 , they are really cheapest and most economical option...

1.What about completing a modernisation of pleso, but keeping it a more local/regional airport, and investing in a brand new much larger Zagreb Airport in a new location (this would help with the situation of the 600+ houses that need to be relocated) (i kind of based this idea from your idea of building a new stadium for Dinamo Zagreb in the Zagreb forums) I know this would cost a lot of money, but with enough investments and promotion it could be a possibility.

PS, I forgot to say Pleso as we discussed here a lot about this particular airport, will remain main international airport in Croatia and Zagreb, construction of new terminal should start next year April most likely, possibly late March (depends on whether conditions), new terminal should be about 57-72000sqm about 4 times the size of present one, and have at least 15 passenger boarding bridges, this would enable the airport to handle about 8-10 million passengers annually, with plenty of space for expansion and 2nd runway..

Investment of about 150€ million in to new terminal is planed and 3 firms are as we speak working on the designs for the new airport...
Another 30€ million might be spent on 2nd runway... :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Something like this:
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Ignore the second terminal. It s just my imagination! ;)

B747-8!

http://747.newairplane.com/
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051114h.html

Komentari?

Mene su se najviše dojmila krila,heh! ;)

Ostatak je tipično filozofiranje za mazanje naivnih očiju. :D

Dejavu na reklame za A380.

Vreme će pokazati koji je najbolji,a u međuvremenu će A380 i dalje biti najveći,ha,ha. :D

Hey,guys,how do you like the idea of the airforace base being moved to ZTZ (Zrakoplovno Tehnički Zavod)? Johnny Cotex from the CroatianAviation forum gave me this idea! It seems to be quite good! Just a runway extention and the building of the necesery infrastructure is needed. The great thing about ZTZ is that it s allready conected to all those bunkers and baracs at Pleso!

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The day we see this is the day when we can peacefuly die! :D
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I apologize if I m boring,but I think that this is worth to be seen from more then one angel!
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Živila budućnost!

^Nice stuff Mate, few things though, 3rd runway can not be so close to the city of Velika Gorica, if there is going to be third runway it would be parallel to the 2nd runway, again 1.5km away mirroring 2nd runway (it all has to do air safety regulations), also if HRZ stays at Pleso, I strongly doubt this, Lucko would probably be best option, they'll need to compromise on space they are given and future eviction when Airport is expanded again...

You seem to forget one thing Mate, runway consist of Approach and descending lights and take off lights as well as landing strip, example Zagreb current Runway is about 5km long, only 3.25 km is landing strip...

But nice renderings never the less.

Approach lights would be only on the north! South would only have a green threshold lights! This is fearlly common at manny runways! Anyway,at Hong-Kong they had approach lights on rooftops!

I realise the rwy is too close to the houses,but this is it s current location. I only extended it to 2.500m!
The thing is that the south treshold is displaced about 300m,so it doesn t enterfeare with the houses.
The runway itselfe is connected to the V. Gorica road! Now it s been used for street racing turnaments (402 street race)!

So,you say Lucko is the best option,ha?
Can a sport airport and a AFB coexist,or the sport airfeald needs to be moved to another location?
If so,the most possible location is Zapresic.
There is a sports airport in planing allready!

Here:
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What do you think?

^nice work, is that Lucko?

Lucko was always meant to be Air force Base way back in 1989, but due to you know what it never happend. Lucko would have been than best option and it is very likely they going to move it there one day, other options are to the east I think east of Sesvete, but the land need to be re-appropriated and whole shebang, but this is to much hustle I think they going to go with Lucko... Best option, if you ask me I'd do that, move it to Lucko.. They can stay at Pleso as well, but move it slightly further south from present location (some 2-3 km) this would seem to best option if money is in short supply..

Croatia needs to have one AF in its capitol city question is where, and how..

They can stay at Pleso as well, but move it slightly further south from present location (some 2-3 km) this would seem to best option if money is in short supply..

What do you mean by this? 2-3km south is V. Gorica!

P.S. Check this out!

http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61127/croatia.htm

94th Air Brigade is allready at Lucko. There is "28 Transportna Helikopterska Eskadrila" using 7 Mi-8s

OK, this is my attempt at rendering, lol, you get the idea where is everything...

Main runway will be extended to 4200m , and new runway will be 3500x55m, Air force gets there new location and plenty of space.

Location (most likely) of new terminal...

Blue line defines the Airport Land (owned by the State) and this is land open to city of Zagreb for needs of re-development any house inside these lines are for demolishing...

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BTW, this is what I think might happened, but we won't know until new Master plan is available for us to see,

I think that the terminal will have to be on the north side of the apron beacuse of the Domovinski most!
There will be a totaly new connection to the airport beacuse the existing one is too slow!

Anyway,the third runway is interesting!

I guess we ll have to wait and see where will the AFB be!

Let s open a thread:ZTZ vs. Lucko :D

Does anybody know about medium to long term plans for the new Dubrovnik Airline? I know they have recently recieved their 3rd MD-80 plane. So far i have not found any website or anything really on the new company....

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Defenitley very well organised plan here, you have included a lot more aviation economics, which i have to brush up on a little ,my ideas were more rough, altho there are a few points that i have thought about... i have read about this in other forums and on other news...about cro aviation in general.


mic of Orion:
Cool, what other forums? Nice to know there're more forums where Croatian Airports are discussed, lol...

..ah wat i meant was i have read the whole cro airport forum so far, and other general aviation forums, along with any new aviation news i find, now i wont just be always asking questions :)

mic of Orion
Sorry, nothing, I never bothered to check this up, I know Qantas has very few flights to Europe, London, Rome, Paris and Amsterdam are only destinations they fly to. Air Canada might re-start there Zagreb Route but I'm not cretin of this would be cool if you check this out, call them and bug them until they get back to you, and if you are not happy, come to me and I'll try my Mr, James Bond, lol...

...as for the air canada question, i have sent them an email asking about the posibility of re-starting the zagreb route, if i do not get an answer in the next few days i will call them...and i will post back with their reply...

Here are some of my Flight simulator 2004. adventures! CA A320-214 around LDZA Zagreb,Pleso. Hope you enjoy these pics! :)

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hey hey hey i have flight sim 2004 century edition, how come I dont have any Airbuses or any cool plane livery? just boeings and stupid made up livery. TELL ME HOW!!! I LOVE FLIGHT SIM 04!!!!!!!!

If you love it so much than you know that there is a thing called Internet!

www.avsim.com

If you have any problems PM me.

;)

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Originally Posted by Coffee Stain
Defenitley very well organised plan here, you have included a lot more aviation economics, which i have to brush up on a little ,my ideas were more rough, altho there are a few points that i have thought about... i have read about this in other forums and on other news...about cro aviation in general.


mic of Orion:
Cool, what other forums? Nice to know there're more forums where Croatian Airports are discussed, lol...

..ah wat i meant was i have read the whole cro airport forum so far, and other general aviation forums, along with any new aviation news i find, now i wont just be always asking questions :)

mic of Orion
Sorry, nothing, I never bothered to check this up, I know Qantas has very few flights to Europe, London, Rome, Paris and Amsterdam are only destinations they fly to. Air Canada might re-start there Zagreb Route but I'm not cretin of this would be cool if you check this out, call them and bug them until they get back to you, and if you are not happy, come to me and I'll try my Mr, James Bond, lol...

...as for the air canada question, i have sent them an email asking about the posibility of re-starting the zagreb route, if i do not get an answer in the next few days i will call them...and i will post back with their reply...


cool, nice one, if you need help in approaching AC management and proposing Zagreb Flights, preparing a study and economic feasibility of the route come to me I'll help you, btw I don't know what is your background (work, professional), pm if privacy reasons..

BTW nice going...

hey hey hey i have flight sim 2004 century edition, how come I dont have any Airbuses or any cool plane livery? just boeings and stupid made up livery. TELL ME HOW!!! I LOVE FLIGHT SIM 04!!!!!!!!

lol, easy answer OC, it is US company (Microsoft) and it is in there interest to promote there products (Boeing Aircrafts) talking of product placement, he, :D

BTW Airbus aircraft are far superior to Being Aircrafts and this has nothi8ng to do with EU versus US, it is simple fact... lol...
No Wonder Airbus controls 53% of large passenger aircraft market...

Anyways read Flight International for best Aircraft stories, you should be able to get in anywhere in the World as it is international publication with one of the best reputations in Aircraft Industry...

Wellcome to LDSP Split intl.

Enjoy! ;)

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HRZ MiG-21 bis at LDPL,Pula AFB:
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An-225 & Buran at LDZA,Zagreb intl.
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:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

:runaway:

im likin the pics wit tha An-225 & Buran at pleso! Are these all patches for microsoft FS 2004? seems as tho croatians have a patch for almost every game...latest fifa games series has the whole Prva Ozujsko Liga(with an option to have Druga and Treca Liga as well, even bosnian/serbian leagues)....would you have a link for where i could get the patches for flight simulator?

Top renders Mate. :okay:

Thanks! I l post some more later!

www.avsim.com is the best one! Registration is free!

You allso have:

www.fsplanet.com

www.flightsim.com

If you can t find what you re searching here,just use Google. Write FS-2004+download+what you need (ex. Cratia A320)

Here is the future look of Split intl.
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2456/copy3ofghjtzikuzuio5ah.jpg

great stuff mate :okay: :)

Pleso four seasons:
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http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6391/copyofcopyofpleso7zj.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6435/copyofpleso6so.jpg

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3258/copy2ofpleso0ch.jpg

;)

^^interesting stuff with the 4 different satellite images

^^interesting stuff with the 4 different satellite images

Silly,silly man! :D

I just painted the original (fall) in Photoshop! ;)

Beginning in May next year, Zagreb will have direct flights to and from New Yorks' JFK Airport. This will be a permanent twice weekly service offered by North American Airlines. There are plans to also establish direct flights between Dubrovnik and New York, but for now it will be direct to Zagreb. :)

Krajem svibnja prvi let New York - Zagreb (http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/12/13/Clanak.asp?r=tem&c=1)

good stuff, were seeing some better direct flights....ive tried contacting Air Canada about a possible Toronto-Zagreb flights.....no REAL answer here, figures :) wat more can ya expect.....il try again sometime in the future...

Coffee Stain, this might be more of interest regarding the above :) ....

I heard a big rumour .......

Talk has it that there is another new airlines being started up in Croatia which plans to compete against Croatia Airlines. The biggest part of the rumour is that it will do long haul flights direct to the USA/Canada, Australia, etc. Also it will do European flights. The Australian leg will have a stop over in Singapore.

Now my source is from an well know aviation website to which I extracted the below. Does anyone know anything? (finger pointed at Mic LOL :D) ....

Dalmatian Holidays is looking for a Director of Flight Operations & Safety for a new airline project in Croatia. The position involves preparing and implementing flight operations manuals, procedures, and being responsible for Safety and the entire flight operations department within the airline.
JAA ATPL (unfrozen), minimum of 5000 hrs in Command of A320 and/or B737 and/or B767 and/or A330/A340 aircraft types, experience in developing flight operations manuals and procedures through to implementation according to aircraft manufacturer and JAA-OPS procedures and regulations.

Candidates must have extensive experience and JAA approvals on A320 and/or B737/767 aircraft. Similar experience with wide body aircraft would be advantagous but not required. The position would suit candidates looking to further their careers within a management role in an airline. Initially the position will be based in Zagreb although the HQ will eventually be based in Šibenik.

www.dalmatianholidays.com

Here is the link from Luchtzak Aviation (http://www.luchtzak.be/postt14447.html )

Talk also has it that the short haul flights (Europe) will commence next year and that this new airlines in now close to finalising the financial aspects of the project. :)

Any further info would be great :yes:

zagreb airport seems to be going realy nice. if there's going to be direct fights to croatia i would stop there as i go to albanian but sadly there's no flights from croatia to albania i think.

@mate_balota, i've been wondering how do you make or get all the scenery for fs2004. like how do you make terminals and runways and buildings.

zagreb airport seems to be going realy nice. if there's going to be direct fights to croatia i would stop there as i go to albanian but sadly there's no flights from croatia to albania i think.

@mate_balota, i've been wondering how do you make or get all the scenery for fs2004. like how do you make terminals and runways and buildings.

I downloaded most of it in www.avsim.com ;)

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LDDU,Dubrovnik Intl. news:

Part of the old terminal will be knocked down,and the extension will be built! Terminal will have 20.000sqm,and a capacity of 3 mil. passengers. Furder expansion will commence in 2012.

A new 4* hotel is also planed near the terminal. It will have about 150 rooms. A new Commercial Zone is planed. It will have 50-55.000sqm and will employ 1500 people!

A new 10.000sqm cargo terminal is allso planed,as well as the apron expantion,ading space for 10 more medium size airliners! All of this in 2009.

Also there will be a new multi story car park for 1500-2500 cars!

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5830/dubrovnikairport10ne.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9701/dubrovnikairport2ms.jpg

lakerdar123 CA flies directly to Tirana during winter schedule, I think during spring or summer this is not the case..

Some great expansion news for Cillipi Dubrovnik, but are there any plans to add skybridges?? ive read that they intend to have at least 5-6 in Cro Economics forum..http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=243933&page=5&pp=20....or would skybridges even be worth the investment into the airport?? For example, Geneva airport doesnt have airbridges and has 8 mil passengers a year....I am of the same opinion just yesterday France stalled Macedonian EU candidacy status, it is unlikely Macedonia is going to get status before March 2006. I think they are not considering membership or even start of membership talks with any of the ex-Yu countries atm other than Croatia which is progressing very rapidly, 2 chapters have already been completed, which is incredibly fast I might add, Agriculture and Science and Technology..



SC, none of the airports in Croatia use Sky bridges atm, Zagreb is to get 15-16 of them but this is in few years time, as to Dubrovnik Airport, I don't know about Sky Bridges I just spoke to one of the Dubrovnik Airport Directors and put him this exact question he said perhaps in future after 2009... I'll not say to much on Dubrovnik Airport as mate going to do updates on Dubrovnik Airport in Croatian Airports Section, Zagreb Airports I'll have news hopefully by the end of this week with some drawings (unless I am told not to by my contacts)...

PS, what I really hate, in Croatia they take long, very long time to make decision on something which could only benefit there country, example Zagreb and Dubrovnik Master Plans, booth Airports are revising wait a moment, .................................. 5th Master Plan for there respective Airports.. lol, :)


Other then Zurich Airport in Switzerland no other airport uses Sky Bridges, just to tell you Geneva Airport had about 8 million passengers last year..

Coffee Stain, this might be more of interest regarding the above :) ....

I heard a big rumour .......

Talk has it that there is another new airlines being started up in Croatia which plans to compete against Croatia Airlines. The biggest part of the rumour is that it will do long haul flights direct to the USA/Canada, Australia, etc. Also it will do European flights. The Australian leg will have a stop over in Singapore.

Now my source is from an well know aviation website to which I extracted the below. Does anyone know anything? (finger pointed at Mic LOL :D) ....



Here is the link from Luchtzak Aviation (http://www.luchtzak.be/postt14447.html )

Talk also has it that the short haul flights (Europe) will commence next year and that this new airlines in now close to finalising the financial aspects of the project. :)

Any further info would be great :yes:


hmmm, looks great, we seem to be getting a new airline every year :), some extra competition for Croatia Airlines wouldnt hurt either, 2 strong competing airlines will only force each other to keep service good, and prices lower....and i have stated before just how much profit can be made on introducing a direct Zagreb-Torono/New York/Sydney route...would you guys have any idea wat this new airline might be called??

hmmm, looks great, we seem to be getting a new airline every year :), some extra competition for Croatia Airlines wouldnt hurt either, 2 strong competing airlines will only force each other to keep service good, and prices lower....and i have stated before just how much profit can be made on introducing a direct Zagreb-Torono/New York/Sydney route...would you guys have any idea wat this new airline might be called??

I am strongly doubtful of this, there are so many so called start-ups and all start with impressive plans, flights to NA, Australia and all over...
Croatia currently has 4 airlines,

CA with 12 Aircrafts
Air Adriatic with 6 Aircrafts
Sun Adria with 5 Aircrafts
Dubrovnik Airlines with 3 Aircrafts...

OK, most are primarily charter operators as they can't afford scheduled service (quality and standards of aircrafts in Scheduled traffic must be kept at highest standard, this also includes noise pollution and Age of aircrafts),,, I am afraid new start-up would need at least 20-30 million U$... U if you know anyone in Croatia with that much cash , what's the use...


Suffice to say most such businesses are con-artist incorporated... (BTW I didn't mean Mel Gibson's Film Production company the Con Artists Co)...

Beginning in May next year, Zagreb will have direct flights to and from New Yorks' JFK Airport. This will be a permanent twice weekly service offered by North American Airlines. There are plans to also establish direct flights between Dubrovnik and New York, but for now it will be direct to Zagreb. :)

Krajem svibnja prvi let New York - Zagreb (http://www.vjesnik.hr/html/2005/12/13/Clanak.asp?r=tem&c=1)

Just had a look at this airline, lol :hilarious: it is tiny, they fly only to 2 destinations from JFK, Zagreb might be 3rd destination in the fleet, lmao :rofl: sorry it is ridicules, but hey it is a start, lol...

http://www.northamericanair.com/aboutUs.asp?section=6&sub=1

I downloaded most of it in www.avsim.com ;)

i tried that but do you know a program which will allow me to make the stuff and where to get this program.

Just had a look at this airline, lol :hilarious: it is tiny, they fly only to 2 destinations from JFK, Zagreb might be 3rd destination in the fleet, lmao :rofl: sorry it is ridicules, but hey it is a start, lol...

http://www.northamericanair.com/aboutUs.asp?section=6&sub=1

Actually they are little larger then that because they are a part of World Air which specializes in charter service (especially troop transport :) ) But they are not new to the area because they had a charter flight this summer to Mostar with Medugorije worshipers from the US. Let’s hope for the best.

By the way they are certifed to conduct International scheduled flights :dunno: .

http://www.worldair.com/news/20050427.html

i tried that but do you know a program which will allow me to make the stuff and where to get this program.

I dont know that.

Ask these people,they know all about this! ;)

http://forum.croplus.net/index.php

http://www.studiocirillo.com/426/web/426.htm

The plan of the new air terminal of Dubrovnik is born from a travel in Croatia in the winter of 1993, as a result of a inspection on behalf of the Fagri SpA (Bariums), than from years it operates in the field of the works in aluminum and steel in Croatia. It was necessary to estimate the possibilitr to propose a restructure of the air terminal of Dubrovnik, devasta you from the military services Serb-Montenegrins. The elaborated Plan however very goes beyond one simple restructure: new structure above that one existing previews in fact the construction of one, adding a plan to those existing, to come true itself in modules, function of the possible financings and the requirements of traffic. Possible E' in fact that this airport, equipped of a track between piu long of the South Europe (the 5000 m.), and placed in a strategic zone for the tourist flows and trades them of the next years, it can still become piu important of how much has been until 1991 (1,500,000 persone/anno), and constitute a fulcrum of exchange and transit (HUB) for all Mediterranean orients them

http://www.studiocirillo.com/426/web/426_05.jpg

http://www.studiocirillo.com/426/web/426_01.jpg

http://www.studiocirillo.com/426/web/426_04.jpg

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http://www.studiocirillo.com/426/web/426_11.jpg

These are most probably old plans,but something like this will be done by 2009.,only biger and with jetways!


Current status:
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GREAT news for Split intl.!

They pedicted 850.000 passengers this year,and this number was broken allready in October! They will hit 950.000 for sure,maybe even 980.000!

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/Mate_Balota/untitled.jpg

^^wow awesome stuff regarding Dubrovnik Airport. i fly into/out of there at least twice a year, very good airport even right now ;)

and was it mike that said only Zurich uses Sky Bridges? wtf?!?!? :lol: Charles de Gaulle uses them, SFO, London Gatwick/Heathrow, Oakland International, LA Bob Hope, O'Hare, JFK, Vancouver, Seattle, and these are just the ones Ive been to in the past 3 years!

Zagreb stats:
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d8/Mate_Balota/zjgz.jpg

Now they are at 1.450.000.

Most likely to be 1.550.000-1.600.000 at the end of the year!

great stuff Mate... :okay:

interesting

Happy New Year everyone...

When the Dubrovnik airport will be done it will have a 5 million passenger terminal with 36.000sqm of space!

From 1998. to 2005. the airport received next upgrades:
--reconstruction of international terminal building
--reconstruction of runway pavement
--reconstruction of concrete slabs at apron and taxiways
--bus parking with 33 bus stands, and additional 150 car parking
stands

From 2005. to 2007. there are plans for this:
--new terminal,7 gates + 4 passenger bridges
--new apron organization and extension to the east
--new fuel service
--covering of bus parking
--new building of the airport police

Dubrovnik had a 150% increase in traffic from 400.000 in 2000. to 1.080.000 in 2005.!
Further increase will be about 10-15%

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Split airport had 930.000 passengers in 2005.

In 2004. that figure was 790.000,and in 2006. we expect 1.070.000 passengers!

http://www.split-airport.hr/statistike_hr.htm

:cheers:

my estimate for traffic growth at major Croatian Airports..

Airport movements 2005 - Actual
airports jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec total

Zagreb 93.027 90.425 112.435 118.467 140.234 155.444 167.918 163.504 154.037 142.125 109.225 100.245 1547.086
Dubrovnik 15.275 13.245 28.875 67.835 133.345 148.761 182.621 174.102 165.075 110.664 25.077 18.771 1083.646
Split 22.564 21.874 30.245 46.446 97.244 128.94 164.821 159.21 138.422 79.681 22.577 23.245 935.269
Pula 3.245 3.284 5.567 24.564 32.567 42.435 52.424 50.434 32.874 24.563 3.185 5.245 280.387
Zadar 1.564 1.824 3.245 5.564 12.456 25.345 32.453 30.458 25.567 10.425 1.856 1.564 152.321
Rijeka 1.872 1.742 3.245 5.647 15.624 20.845 25.543 30.423 10.565 5.456 3.024 2.545 126.531
Osijek N/A


Estimates for 2006...

Airport movements 2006
airports jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec total

Zagreb 100.524 100.424 125.324 128.435 156.324 172.385 184.243 180.546 172.563 160.435 120.564 110.546 1712.313
Dubrovnik 17.275 18.245 32.875 85.454 158.455 175.455 202.724 197.424 185.324 128.524 25.324 24.245 1251.324
Split 30.564 32.874 50.245 58.345 110.445 142.234 182.564 172.324 152.324 88.425 30.567 25.245 1076.156
Pula 3.245 3.284 5.567 25.564 52.567 72.435 82.424 100.434 52.874 44.563 5.185 8.245 456.387
Zadar 1.867 2.824 3.245 5.564 18.456 30.345 50.453 79.457 45.567 15.425 1.856 1.564 256.623
Rijeka 1.842 1.742 3.245 5.847 25.624 30.845 32.543 32.423 15.565 7.456 5.524 3.245 165.901
Osijek N/A

Estimates for 2007 & 2008...

Airport movements 2007


airports jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec total

Zagreb 110.432 115.456 150.435 172.345 175.567 200.435 205.456 200.564 185.435 180.734 136.456 128.324 1961.639
Dubrovnik 24.432 25.342 50.875 105.454 182.455 200.455 225.453 220.342 205.324 152.524 32.324 30.245 1455.225
Split 30.564 32.874 58.245 87.345 128.445 175.234 205.564 199.324 177.543 105.324 32.453 30.432 1263.347
Pula 3.245 5.284 8.567 32.564 72.567 87.435 100.424 100.434 72.874 54.563 8.185 7.245 553.387
Zadar 2.564 2.824 3.245 5.564 15.456 50.345 102.453 100.457 25.558 10.425 1.856 1.564 322.311
Rijeka 1.842 1.742 3.245 7.847 25.624 30.845 32.543 50.423 25.565 8.456 3.024 2.545 193.701
Osijek N/A

Airport movements 2008

airports jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep oct nov dec total

Zagreb 125.456 130.653 175.453 200.424 207.456 225.724 256.672 228.456 205.423 200.423 150.424 140.424 2246.988
Dubrovnik 32.432 35.342 72.875 128.454 205.455 227.455 254.453 244.342 224.324 175.524 35.324 32.245 1668.225
Split 32.564 36.874 58.245 107.345 152.445 194.234 225.564 220.334 192.562 127.324 57.453 32.432 1437.376
Pula 3.245 7.284 12.567 38.564 100.567 105.435 127.424 118.434 87.874 58.563 10.243 8.245 678.445
Zadar 3.184 3.287 5.243 5.642 20.453 58.564 120.342 110.457 32.567 12.425 3.182 3.231 378.577
Rijeka 2.43 2.543 3.245 8.847 30.624 32.845 50.543 58.423 25.565 24.456 5.024 3.245 247.790
Osijek N/A

* when doing this assessments (way back in 2004) I was bit to pessimistic in my figures for Zadar, Pula and Rijeka Airports I do admit this, and therefore this figures might undermine real numbers and growth of especially Rijeka Airport which is bingeing to attract major low-cost carriers, Easy Jet and Ryan Air are likely operators to land at this airport in near future..

PPS, I have no figures for Osijek Airport,

CC: Croatian Forumer Suck of Spuds...
Wizz Air enters Zagreb in Croatia
Published:2006. 01. 10.


Wizz Air, the largest low fare - low cost airline in Central and Eastern Europe, announced at a press conference in Zagreb today that it would start flights from Zagreb to London on 27 March 2006. The airline becomes the first low fare airline to fly between the UK and Croatia.

The launch in Croatia comes after Wizz Air announced its passenger numbers for 2005. The airline carried close to 1.9 million passengers last year, which represents a 233% growth and makes Wizz Air the largest low fare - low cost airline in CEE.

Zagreb-London flights will commence on 27 March 2006, 4 times a week initially. Tickets for the flights are already on sale on the airline's website, wizzair.com. or by calling the Wizz Air call centre on +48 22 351 94 99. Regular one way fares start from as low as EUR 42.99 / GBP 32.46 including taxes and charges. As an introductory offer a limited number of seats are available at a promotional fare of EUR 32.99 / GBP 26.46 (including taxes and charges) till 31 January 2006.

József Váradi, Chief Executive Officer of Wizz Air said:
"Entering the Croatian market is a strategic step for us on our way of expanding in Central and Eastern Europe. We will be the first low fare airline to offer continuously low prices to travellers between the UK and Croatia. We are determined to further expand and develop our Croatian network for the benefit of more Croatian people and those who wish to visit this beautiful country. We plan to carry well over 100,000 passengers from and to Croatia in 2006."

2.2 mil in 2008. for Zagreb,ha?

I realy hope they finish the new terminal by then!

Are there any news on that. Thay sould start building in April,right?

:cheers:

Sometimes in April or May land clearing starts, Air force needs to hand over the land, I think they did, terminal construction should start either in late May or early July depending how fast the land clearance is done...

Traffic figures comparison 2004/2005 for top 3 airports.

Zagreb (first 11 months)
2004. 1 312 217
2005. 1 447 387

+135 170 (+10.30%)

Dubrovnik
2004. 880 967
2005. 1 083 240

+202 273 (+22.96%)

Split
2004. 788 771
2005. 934 049

+145 278 (+18.41%)

Sometimes in April or May land clearing starts, Air force needs to hand over the land, I think they did, terminal construction should start either in late May or early July depending how fast the land clearance is done...

I wish I could know what are the Air Forces plans as of now.

Where are all those MiG-s and Mi-24-s going? Zadar? Pula?

I wish I could know what are the Air Forces plans as of now.

Where are all those MiG-s and Mi-24-s going? Zadar? Pula?

helicopters are going to Lucko, Mill 24 as well, most Mil 8 and Mil 24 going to be scraped and stored, all of them, 10 Mill 8 going to continue to serve on for few more years when MOD decide on replacements. Most likely according to Flight International Insiders Croatia is going to opt for 20-30 NH90 helicopters, at 15€ million apiece they aren't cheep but are modern, much better fuel consumption and better support, NH90 have also greater range, carries same number of troops as Mil 8 but has state of the art cockpit (can fly at night to).

Mil 24 hind won't get replaced, Croatia might get 6-8 Tigers or AH64D sometimes in next decade but as it is now, Mil 24 face cutbacks and retirement. As for Mig 21, all 12 are being moved to Zadar, until the arrival of 12-24 modern fighters with longer range they are what's left of Croatian Air Arm... New aircraft won't be procured before 2010 anyway, 12 JAS39Gripen are most likely choice, cost of 12 Aircraft should not be over 500 million U$ including spares and weapons... Gripen has a range of 1200km without fuel tanks and 1800km with extra fuel tank, most likely Bosnia is going to sign treaty with Croatian on Croatian Air Cover over Bosnia, once Gripens arrive, which should help with the cost of Gripen fleet.

New helicopter purchase might be tied with Slovenian helicopter purchase as well... :) :cheers:

helicopters are going to Lucko, Mill 24 as well, most Mil 8 and Mil 24 going to be scraped and stored, all of them, 10 Mill 8 going to continue to serve on for few more years when MOD decide on replacements. Most likely according to Flight International Insiders Croatia is going to opt for 20-30 NH90 helicopters, at 15€ million apiece they aren't cheep but are modern, much better fuel consumption and better support, NH90 have also greater range, carries same number of troops as Mil 8 but has state of the art cockpit (can fly at night to).


No!

They will buy 20 Mi-17-s!

Some Russian dept return agreement.

This dept was supposed to be settled with Be-200 fire-planes but they changed it to Mi-17,a succesor of the Mi-8.

:bash:

Some incredible videos on Pilatus PC-9 over Zadar!

http://forum.croplus.net/viewtopic.php?t=800

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

No!

They will buy 20 Mi-17-s!

Some Russian dept return agreement.

This dept was supposed to be settled with Be-200 fire-planes but they changed it to Mi-17,a succesor of the Mi-8.

:bash:

Mill 17 where a possibility, but nobody knows what is going to happened with this deal, NH90 in any case are part of modernisation plan and if Croatia does get Mil17 they'll just be filling holes, Croatia needs about 30-32 Medium sized transport helicopters, 8 ASW helicopters and 4-6 SAR helicopters..

12 Bell 206 are only used in Training role, in utility role there are none, and 4MD500 are used for recognisance and need to be upgraded and updated, 6 Bell 212 are now used in SAR and Police role they also need replacement quite soon as well...

Medical Evac needs at least 3-4 helicopters as well...

In all Croatia needs about 50-56 new helicopters over next 10 years... Croatia will retire all but 4 MD500 and 10Bell 206 helicopters currently in service, Bell206 already have been transferred to Police...

to recap:

8ASW Helicopters (probably AS 535 Panthers -cheapest option)
6SAR helicopters (NH90 or AS 532 Cougar)
30-32 Transport and Utility Helicopters (Mix NH90 and Mil8/17)
8-12 Training helicopters (Bell 206)
6-8 Ops Helicopters (NH90 or similar)
4-6 Recon Helicopters (MD500)
6-8 Attack Helicopters (AH64 or Tigers)

total: 88 Helicopters at most...

OK! ;)

P.S. Did you download that HRZ video! It s breathtaking! :cheers:

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Today I bought Lider magazine:
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Sorry for the quality! It s night over here.

^nice one,


for video, not yet I'll do it later I was dl'g somethign and my bandwith was low...

I'll do it now, :okay:

How can there be Russian debt repayment when it has not yet been decided which of the ex-yu countries get what percentage of Russian debt?

Final air traffic figures at Croatian Airports realised...

In 2005 most Croatian airport grew at unprecedented rate, Split - 22%, Dubrovnik - 23%, Pula - 35% and Zagreb 10%.


Zagreb : 1 551 000
Dubrovnik - 1 083 000
Split - 937 000
Pula - 208 000
Rijeka - 105 000 - estimate,
Zadar - 100 000 - estimate
Brac - 32 000 - estimate

http://www.airport-brac.hr/ - Brac Airport
http://www.airport-dubrovnik.hr/m/index.php - Dubrovnik Airport
http://www.airport-pula.hr/en/about...port/statistic/ - Pula Airport
http://www.rijeka-airport.hr/ - Rijeka Airport
http://www.split-airport.hr/index.htm - Split Airport
http://www.zadar-airport.hr/ - Zadar Airport
http://www.zagreb-airport.hr/ - Zagreb Airport
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Air Adriatic in deep trouble,

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/01/25/adriaticv.jpg

Since the start of Air Operations Air Adriatic has proved to be quite unconventional in its approach to Air Travel and Air Safety.

From occasional fights between Pilots and mechanical and support staff, or drunken pilots and flight attendants with poor hygiene Air Adriatic has seen it all and more.

Air Adriatic started flight operations in 2004 with 2 ex All Italia MD82's, soon 4 more MD82's joined. Airline at first was quite successful at attracting highly lucrative charter operations between Pula, Rijeka and EU. Air Adriatic during summer could fill all its flights with no seats to spare, passengers where happy and staff, :hm: well they promised things would get better once the airline is set and organised, after all new start-ups have difficulties at the start. So would you think, after 3 years of operations Airline is doing better than ever, everyone is happy, pilots are paid there dues, mechanics are doing brilliant job at keeping aircrafts in the air, all bills are paid, passengers are coming in there drowse and all bill are being paid on time....

Not exactly, :hm: well, where do we start :hm: OK, lets start with most important ppl in the Airline, Pilots (OK, they think they are :D) you'd think Airline which is based and flies from Croatian Airports would employ Croatian pilots, at least majority of pilots, you'd be completely wrong, out of 40 or so pilots that work at Air Adriatic only 4-5 are Croatian.

OK, there might have been few exemptions, perhaps there aren't enough pilots who are accustomed to fly MD82 so naturally Air Adriatic would look somewhere else to fill the holes, :hm: ok suppose this was a hypothetical, I'd tell you this, you are completely wrong Mr Cubric, and you can always train pilots by giving those that have some experience flying MD82 position of a co-pilot for few years when he/she are ready to take over as a captain.

This is too complicated even for Air Adriatic, they came with one better. Lets pay dirt cheep everyone who works for us, or how about not paying them at all, yeah I'll do that, how about we don't pay anyone, well we can't do that, can we? This is exactly what Deja Cubric did to almost every Croatian Pilot and Croatian staff at the Air Adriatic, he felt they would be happy to work for peanuts or free lunch, perhaps few Kuna after all, they are there to exploit Mr. Cubric's good will and his willingness to grace us with his talents...

OK, ok, I know this is kind of one sided argument, perhaps there are real reasons why he hasn't paid his Croatian staff, one we don't know, well we might not get it out of Mr. Cubric's mouths as he has just bought him self a new Ferrari, he is long gone and his secretary can't speak on his behest, it would be pointless as she wasn't paid either :D.

So what is going on, Adriatic Air hasn't paid its Croatian staff for months, there must be some good reason, I wouldn't work for peanuts, I'm not elephant, are you, Mr Cubric, you, yes you Mr Cubric, are you an elephant?

So what's the hold up, ok, never mind, I'm sure you'll come with some plausible answer in :hm: 54-60 years, anyways' I assume all airlines have issues, your airline perhaps is victim of poor communication (on your part Mr. Cubric) or bad economic and political soundings, Croatian Tourism has never been better, you bribed HDZ government to give you flight licence and you have most of the CAA in your pocket, oh about surroundings it was a metaphor, don't take it seriously silly man... :D

Ok, so much criticism I'm sure you have some better things to do, but before you go Mr. Cubric, would you gives us few fine examples of Air Adriatic success?

OK, let me help you, you are not paying your staff and pilots, which means you got enough money to pay for landing, over-flights, fuel and mechanical support?

What, what do you mean you don't bother with this kind anomalous issues, how do you keep your aircraft in the air Mr. Cubric?
OK, so you owe money to every single airport in Croatia, you are not welcomed in Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik and in Rijeka you are persona none grate, oh 2 of your aircrafts are stuck on Dubrovnik Airport until you pay 2.4 million Kuna you owe to the Airport, and one more is stuck in Dubai you say, for same reasons, wow...

But you do keep your aircraft in top-notch shape and condition after all this are old aircraft need to be kept in excellent condition, after all air safety is one of the most important aspects of Airline Business, what, what did you say, Mr Cubric, you haven't paid you mechanics as well, your aircraft have very basic check up from time to time, and often you have technical difficulties with your aircraft, so much so Italian and French FAA have forbid you to fly in to there air-space.

I get by, I employ cheapest possible staff from 3rd world who barely speak any English, and have basic qualifications, for rest I'll do as best I can...

With all this mess how you are allowed/able to fly is beyond me?
My dear friend, who needs to fly when you drive a Ferrari :D



Mr, Cubric is Owner of Adriatic Air, and major Arsehole in this part of universe, I'll stop here, I'm sure you can come with your own profanities about Mr. Cubric but in case you need help call Air Adriatic and ask them what they think of there boss :D


Sorry had no time to finish this article in proper and dignified manner, anyone willing to give help plz do not hesitate to write anything you feel I missed in my article, thanx... :)

lol....no wonder half of the company split to form Dubrovnik airline.....how the hell is this idiot still in the air????

First Croatian Low Cost Air operator announced to start operation...

http://www.iskon.hr/2006/01/10/0382007.17.jpg

www.Dalmatian.hr first Croatian low cost Airline is set to start operations during spring, Airline will be based in Sibenink and its hub will be based at Zagreb Pleso Airport...

Airline is promising up to 40% cheaper air fares on domestic and international flights and even flights to New York for only 300€...
Airline founder and owner Zeljko Romic hopes to raise 20€ million necessary for the start of the airline and has ths far secured backing from international investment funds and wealthy individuals from US and Canada. He is hoping at first to lease Airbus Aircrafts, but eventually he hopes to buy own aircraft, his plans are to own and operate 10 aircraft by the end of 1st year and perhaps 20 by the end third year...
He also promises to employ 250 staff with this number rising to 650 by the end of year 3... Mr Zwljko Romic is hoping to become competitor to Croatian Airlines a state run Airline.

http://www.iskon.hr/vijesti/page/2006/01/27/0023006.html

Thank you Mic!

I hope Cabric reads this!

:okay:

^thanx Mate :)


Avioprijevoznik Dubrovnik Airline povećao flotu s tri na pet aviona

Lani osnovani dubrovački avioprijevoznik Dubrovnik Airline, koji je u većinskom vlasništvu Atlantske plovidbe, povećao je svoju flotu s tri na pet aviona. Dva nova zrakoplova trebala bi na dubrovačku pistu sletjeti sredinom veljače, odnosno ožujka, a od Uskrsa u toj kompaniji očekuju početak iznimno naporne sezone.

- Od Uskrsa za nas počinje sezona u punom jeku, a letjet ćemo iz Dubrovnika, Splita, Rijeke i Pule. Glavno tržište za nas će u idućem razdoblju biti Francuska, gdje je dogovoreno oko 60 posto naših letova, a uskoro očekujemo i potpisivanje ugovora s turoperatorima iz Engleske, Španjolske, Švicarske i Švedske - rekao nam je Zeno Singer, direktor Dubrovnik Airlinea.


Credit for Article goes to bambam, :okay:

Dubrovnik Airlines increased its fleet to 5 Aircraft..

Dubrovnik Airlines increased its airline fleet to 5 (yet unspecified) aircraft. 2 new aircraft are set to join the fleet in February and March respectively. Airline expects extremely bussy tourist season starting with Easter Holidays. Airline is set to fly from Pula, Split, Dubrovnik and Rijeka primarily to France where 60% of all flights have been contracted to, soon though, Airline is set to agree with tour operators from UK, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland on flights to these countries...


http://www.jutarnji.hr/dogadjaji_dana/clanak/art-2006,1,29,avio_dubrovnik,8445.jl

http://www.jutarnji.hr/clanak/art-2006,1,13,air_adriatic,5064.jl

Passenger figures for Croatian Airports,


This where my original estimates for 2006,

Zagreb, - 1.712 million passengers
Dubrovnik - 1.251 million passengers
Split, - 1.076 million passengers
Pula - 456 000 passengers (had no data to go on so I used my own estimate)
Rijeka - 165 000 passengers (had no data to go on so I used my own estimate)
Zadar, - 256 000 passengers (had no data to go on so I used my own estimate)

Actual data for Air Traffic at Croatian Airports in 2005 looked like this,

Zagreb, - 1.551 million passengers
Dubrovnik - 1.083 million passengers
Split, - 937 000 passengers
Pula - 208 000 passengers
Rijeka - 125 000 passengers ( estimate)
Zadar - 100 000 passengers ( estimate)


My New estimate based on preliminary trend for 2006:

Zagreb, - 1.82 million passengers
Dubrovnik - 1.287 million passengers
Split, - 1.15 million passengers
Pula - 327 000 passengers
Rijeka - 200 000 passengers
Zadar, - 156 000 passengers


Although Dubrovnik, Split and Zagreb might do much better,

Best possible passenger numbers for Croatian Airports in 2006 could look something like this...

Zagreb - 1.92 million passengers
Dubrovnik - 1.42 million passengers
Split - 1.25 million passengers
Pula - 357 000 passengers
Rijeka - 250 000 passengers
Zadar - 186 000 passengers


Any comments on my assessments..

O low-cost kompanijama:
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Are there any indications of Pleso s second runway to be 60m (200ft) wide?

I think this should be an option, beacuse of the widebody jets that will start to fly to Zagreb more and more often, as years go by!

:runaway:

^Don't know mate, all new runways are 55m wide it is sort of international standard for airports, in 70's standard was 45m and in 50's only 30m...

A 55m wide runway is more than adequate for even largest jumbo jets, 45m would do fine as well, but 55m can accommodate even A380's... Don't forget on monthly basis An-124 freighter lands at Zagreb Airport, this are huge aircraft, larger than B747 400's...

if current 45m runways is good for them than it is good for most other aircrafts, 4000x55m will most likely be next runway at Zagreb Airport, it would allow for A380 landing, but I strongly doubt Zagreb will witness A380 any time soon, few cities in the World, will; London, Paris, Frankfurt, Rome, Amsterdam, New York, Los Angeles, Singapore, Sydney, Toronto, Tokyo, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Dubai, Chicago and Osaka are only cities that might see A380 aircraft before the end of this decade...


2nd Runway for Zagreb is not imperative and immediate need, but after 2008, this will change, 2nd runway might get built sometimes in 2012, not before, despite what I said or some other source...

55x4000m runway costs un region of 30 million U$, something to think over, another 12 million U$ should be set a side for 20x4000m taxiway... So costs involved are high, Croatian MOD might actually be one who might finance second runways if they stay at Pleso as suspected, in this case runway might get built much sooner, perhaps even this decade...

Ryan Air plans to start flights to Croatia,

http://www.jutarnji.hr/ephresources/images/2006/02/15/ryanair,v.jpg

Bernard Berger a director of routes at Ryan Air has confirmed he is talking to Croatian CAA and various airports in hope to start flights to Croatia this August or September.

Ryan Air is set to start flights to Pula, Split, Dubrovnik and eventually to Zagreb if agreement can be reached, frequency of flights to Croatia hasn't been discussed as this plans are right now in planning stages...


As of December 31.st 2005 number of low cost operators fly to Croatia; German Wings, Sky Europe, Wizz Air, Central Wings and announcement by Ryan Air start of flights to Croatia would only increase already tough competition over Croatian skies...

Reason for somewhat late arrival to Croatian Air Market, Mr.Bergar says, it is due to low number of passengers who fly to Croatia, in 2005 only 4 million passengers went thought Croatian Airports whilst in equally sized Ireland this figure was 25 million passengers.

He believes Ryan Air can double the number of passengers arriving to Croatia,

Number of passengers at Croatian Airports is expected to hit 5.2 million mark in 2006

http://www.jutarnji.hr/novac/clanak/art-2006,2,15,ryanair_dolazak,11913.jl

This is werry nice! :okay:

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What s up with EasyJet?

They fly to Slovenia!

Are there any plans for them entering the Croatian market?

:? :? :? :? :?

they are talking mate, I don't know, lately they are not doing so good, I mean they where good once Stelios was in charge very dynamic airline, now, don't know, it is not doing so great, at one point they where considering stopping there flights to Ljubljana, it is weird, why haven't they started to fly to Zagreb or Dubrovnik is anyone guess..

Actually, they're cancelling the Ljubljana - Berlin route due to low passenger numbers coming from Berlin (surprisingly more Slovenians were going there than Germans coming). The Ljubljana - London line is within expectations and performing very well indeed. Wizz Air is starting the same route in May and will be the third airline to serve on that route (although each of them serve their own airport, Easyjet serves Stansted, Adria Gatwick and Wizzair Luton).

The director of Aerodrom Ljubljana also said that the cancelling of the Berlin - Ljubljana line means that the airport can start negotiating with Easyjet for another line, possibly to Scandinavia, Italy or Spain, markets still not served from Ljubljana.

Also, Aerodrom Maribor is negotiating with Ryanair for a route to London, however the deal will not be signed until the airport signs a new contract with the government about the usage of the facilities at the airport, which are owned by the state (old news, but the Minister of Transport said that one of the primary goals of the Ministry in 2006 is to get into good terms with Luka Koper and the three international airports).

thanx edolen, I knew easy jet had some issues with Ljubljana