TAS/ Hobart - #U/C: 1 Market Place - 12st/37m/hotel

[Chuq]

From the Mercury - http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,12273822%255E3462,00.html

Hotel height slammed
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
17feb05

A FIVE-STAR, 13-floor hotel approved for Hobart this week is twice the height recommended under a city plan, says a Sullivans Cove group.

Sullivans Cove Citizens Association vice-president Dick Friend said the 40m height of the Number One Market Street building would be twice the height Hobart City Council's Central Area Strategy Plan recommended.

Mr Friend said his 70-member association had no general opposition to tall buildings but this building's height was inappropriate for its site on the corner of Market Place and Collins St.

There was no way the developer would have been able to seek approval for a building of the scale proposed if it had been wholly in one planning scheme area. Part of the development is in the Sullivans Cove planning scheme area and the remainder is covered by the City of Hobart Planning Scheme.

The new development would compromise the Hobart central landscape which provided a gentle stepping-up of buildings on the skyline progressing from low-lying areas of Sullivans Cove to the Macquarie St ridge and tall buildings of the CBD.

"We support the need to have more tourism beds in Hobart but let's make sure it's tourism beds which echo the appeal of Sullivans Cove and don't destroy the golden egg which brings tourists here," Mr Friend said.

He said the total lack of objections to the development highlighted a need for a new way to publicise development applications.

The existing system whereby the council advertised them in newspaper public notices was appropriate for 100 years ago but not now with a proliferation of media, bigger newspapers and "a lot more happening".

The association advocated an automated email notification system. Under this procedure, people could register on a website their interest in being notified about applications in a specific area, for instance a suburb or the whole city.

When applications came in, the notifications of proposed developments could be put out immediately.

It would be an easy, quick and cost-effective system and Mr Friend recommended council websites be enhanced so people could follow the process through from the time a development application was lodged.

Its a shame that development needs to be stifled all the time in Tassie...

[CULWULLA]

far out! 40m and they think its too tall. what old farts.
Its not 1905 its 2005!!
so does this mean it is going ahead or not?
either way ill add to ss.com
cheers

[Chuq]

The story said it was approved, so I believe it is going ahead - just with some whingers. Another story I found from a few days earlier:

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,12194374%255E3462,00.html

$15m hotel's height trim
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
09feb05

THE developer of the proposed $15 million Market Place hotel is working to reduce its height.

Ascoli Properties Pty Ltd CEO David Gurvich said work had started to reduce the maximum height of No. 1 Market Street to what was recommended in a Hobart City Council report.

The report, which was considered by the council's development services committee this week, recommended the height be cut from 47.5m to 40m.

He said the company was committed to working with Hobart City Council and its development and environmental services committee, where this week the major concern of committee members was the building's height.

Mr Gurvich said the proposed hotel, which would be managed and operated by an internationally recognised chain operator, and would be Tasmania's first truly five-star luxury hotel, had been carefully designed to complete the existing line of Collins St buildings and complement the low development profile of Market Place.

"The hotel will breathe new life into this sector of town, just on the edge of the central business district, adding a new dimension to the range of accommodation, convention and restaurant services in the area," he said.

The development would occupy two sites -- 52 and 54 Collins Sts -- which were covered by two planning schemes, Hobart's main planning scheme and the Sullivans Cove scheme, and the development met all the requirements of both schemes.

Mr Gurvich said the site was one of Hobart's most important historic areas.

The company was committed to ensuring the high quality development recognised and highlighted this until now largely neglected heritage.

The corner was believed to be the site of the beach where Hobart's first settlers landed and set up camp.

Archeologists would investigate the site and Ascoli planned to establish a permanent display to recognise the site's heritage significance and display any artefacts if found.

As well, a local artist would design a mural for one of the walls on the corner depicting the history at the time of the landing, and a permanent display would be in the planned street level exhibition area.

Number One Market Street's lower three levels would provide conference, restaurant and bar facilities, and exhibition space and administration offices.

[Wezza]

^ Because that extra 7.5m makes ALL the difference.........:weird:

[tayser]

Chuq get out there and start banging some heads around ;)

[Will]

From the Mercury - http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,12273822%255E3462,00.html


Mr Friend said his 70-member association had no general opposition to tall buildings but this building's height was inappropriate for its site on the corner of Market Place and Collins St.

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WHATEVER....

[CULWULLA]

Hotel height critic gets Freeman serve
By CHARLES WATERHOUSE
21feb05
A SULLIVANS Cove group leader who criticised the height of a recently approved 13-floor hotel has been accused of ignorance.

Hobart City Council alderman John Freeman said comments by Sullivans Cove Citizens Association vice-president Dick Friend revealed a total ignorance of the City of Hobart Planning Scheme.

"The permitted height for the area in question, which is part of the CBD, is 42 metres and the new building will be 40 metres," Ald Freeman said.

(The new hotel is planned by developer Ali Sultan to be 41m, while the Hobart Corporate Centre in Macquarie St, the MBF building and the Hobart Private Hospital are 37m.)

"So the building's height is similar to the surrounding buildings and furthermore it conforms with the planning scheme," Ald Freeman said.









Mr Friend said the building was twice the height recommended by Hobart council's Central Area Strategy Plan.

Ald Freeman said the strategy plan was the work of a group he chaired as deputy lord mayor in 1990-91, which had a brief to examine planning, economic health and the physical appearance of the city.

He said the report had not been adopted by the council, particularly because of its recommendations on building heights.

Some parts had been adopted, including use of setbacks for tall buildings and a recommendation for revitalisation of the CBD.

Ald Freeman said the strategy plan had no status as a planning document and to suggest it did was totally wrong.

"The [new] building conforms with the planning scheme and with the height of its neighbours and to cite a document which has no status in the planning scheme is frankly misleading," he said.

[CULWULLA]

the article says MBF is 37m. cool another scraper to ad to emporis. heres its location on Argyle sthttp://www.crsrehab.gov.au/images/Hobart.gif
so where is new hotel going? behind it?

heres a pic of city
http://www.view.com.au/discover/aacas.jpg

[zulu69]

Wow Hobart is so beautiful esp in the second (^) pic. Great news for this building to go ahead.

[Dilaz89]

cull or someone is the building where the proposed penthouses will be built shown in that pic?

thanks!

[CULWULLA]

nah, the 88 collins st project is just right of that pic.

[Chuq]

Use this map as a guide...

http://chuq.net/ss/HobartFeb2005.jpg

The photo was taken from the left (maybe closer to lower left) of that map, facing towards the centre..

http://chuq.net/ss/aacas-numbers.jpg

The red frame is where the hotel will be (approx). The numbers match up to the map, the 7 refers to the building "behind" the red frame. Height of red frame approx, but not to scale!

[CULWULLA]

thanks chuq! brilliant

[CULWULLA]

hey chuq, couple of questions.
1. is CML now known as ANZ?
2. Is that Reserve bank left of CML? (when do you think Reserve bank was completed?)
3. is that Trafalgar Bldg right behind CML? (when do you think Trafalgar bldg was completed?
http://www.deh.gov.au/cgi-tmp/rt54523-27107.jpg
skyscrapepage has Trafalgar bldg as 55,/15st? thats got to be incorrect?
isnt it more like 45m/12st?

any help is appreciated.
cheers

[Chuq]

hey chuq, couple of questions.
1. is CML now known as ANZ?
2. Is that Reserve bank left of CML? (when do you think Reserve bank was completed?)
Regarding name, not as far as I know - I thought the CML is the next intersection north-east of ANZ building (the same corner of that intersection) - I could have got my map wrong though. That building to the left of CML certainly looks like the RBB, I'll double check. No idea on date!

3. is that Trafalgar Bldg right behind CML? (when do you think Trafalgar bldg was completed?
skyscrapepage has Trafalgar bldg as 55,/15st? thats got to be incorrect?
isnt it more like 45m/12st?

I'm sure of this one - the pic, definitely not, Trafalgar is a very distinctive shape. It is 2 levels of shops/offices, then about 10 levels of car park, then 3 levels of corporate offices. See building 3 in my pic above, the blue bit is the office floors on top. I'm guessing car park floors are a smaller height-per-floor than office building floors, which is why it is 15st yet shorter than many others.
Again on date - I have no idea! I didn't think it was that new, but then I've only been living in Hobart for 3 years, and only a regular visitor for 7 years.
For more relative location pics, see http://chuq.net/ss/ - some are from the RBB, some from Trafalgar level 12.

[CULWULLA]

10 levels of carpark? fark. sounds strange. that will indicate why its 15 storys but only as high as a 10storey.
thanks chuq!

[Chuq]

10 levels of carpark? fark. sounds strange. that will indicate why its 15 storys but only as high as a 10storey.
thanks chuq!

Yeah, it is a bit odd, it has the most no. of storeys of any Hobart CBD building but not the tallest :)


http://chuq.net/ss/rbb-roof6.jpg

See behind the guy on the left (thats not me btw!) the office bit on his left (blue) and the carpark on the right of him.

[Adam BK]

far out! 40m and they think its too tall. what old farts.
Its not 1905 its 2005!!
so does this mean it is going ahead or not?
either way ill add to ss.com
cheers

Heh we have to put up the same crap here to....Im sure the current young population wouldnt even give a damn of how tall a building would be.

[OptomistOne]

Demo work and propping of the heritage listed facade has begun in ernest on site.

From what I can find out it will be tip up pre formed concrete panels up to first floor level and then normal construction after that. 3 Builders sheds/containers have been delivered and a suitable internal void site is being chosen for the tower crane. A lot of internal concrete has to be removed and that will take a few weeks before serious structural work starts. The building will be 12 stories overall when completed.

Another 'major (at least for Hobart) project' has actually got underway. A render of sorts can be found on Sultan Holdings website but not sure if this is the final version as the Hobart City Council won't allow access to plans once the advertising period for objections has passed :nocrook:

[ROVER]

I wonder what the hotel will be called. Sultan Holdings are being very quiet on this one. It was supposed to be a Quest property originally but we'll just have to wait and see...

[Burden]

Now if iam correct this is the tower proposal (Bottom Render) Link (http://sultanholdings.com.au/index.php/profile) This is the statement regarding the tower from there website, So I would assume more info is coming soon or its still in the very early Pre Lim stages.....

Info
Sultan Website
Projects in Planning
80 Room Hotel, Hobart
Sultan Holdings expects to make an announcment shortly about this new hotel development commencing shortly.


Render
http://i36.tinypic.com/2pphseq.jpg

SEanll

[LanceDriver]

wow, 3.5 years from approval to kick-off.

[OptomistOne]

I agree that Sultan has not be saying much about the final operator. Also I heard that the principle reason the project has taken so long to get started is because of the difficulty Sultan's have had in getting an operator given the relatively small scale of the Hobart tourism market. Still it must be must be resolved now which is very good thing for the CBD.

[Ordex]

definitely positive to see something happening on this site after so long!

[OptomistOne]

Great news.

Work is still proceeding with this 12 storey development.

For those Hobart members who might be around on Saturday (8/11) morning, wander down to the site as the contractors will be craning up over the retained facade and into position the 35 tonne hydraulic excavator based piling rig. Piling works will take around 6 weeks as 40 steel piles will be driven approx 10 metres down into the Hobart clay.

The tower crane will be installed either just before or just after Christmas.

The final design is a 3 storey podium with a 9 storey tower. The tower component has been best described as an "almond" shape - which is then set centrally but at a 45 degree angle relative to the roughly square sided podium. The cladding will be concrete panels but with one half rendered black and the other half white! It is going to be an interesting final design - probably quite striking for Hobart.

Unfortunately no renders availaible so will have to wait until early next year to see what it is going to look like.

The tower and podium will be finished by August 2009 with fit out of the hotel to take another 4 months.

:banana:

[Ordex]

good to get a building of at least semi-decent height happening.
where do you get your inside information from optomistone???

[ROVER]

Yes I want to know the same Ordex! But a handy update....

Unfortunately I'll be moving house on sat morning -can someone grab some pics for us to look at?

[OptomistOne]

The piling rig was succesfully lifted into place on site Saturday morning.

Piling work starts this week. As it is an impact piler prepare for complaints about the noise!

[Ordex]

is anyone able to get down there and take some pics pls?

[CP Doom]

OMG its too high, lets have a f**king whinge!

[Ordex]

managed to get down there yesterday and snap a photo from the market place car park into the construction site

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7503/p1020359bh7.jpg

[OptomistOne]

Great photo Ordex!!

On the top left corner of the photo, in the concreted area, I can see a box outline shape made up of the tops of 4 steel piles.

A possible base for the tower crane?

A few more weeks and we should start seeing it start to rise from the ground.

:)

[Ordex]

no basement in this building then?

[OptomistOne]

no basement in this building then?

Apparently not. There will be provision for service vehicles to enter at Ground Level delivery bays but all guest parking, which would normally be in basement levels, will be provided next door in the Market Place car park.

That way whichever hotel company ends up operating the property will also have to pay Ali for their car parking.....:lol: He is a clever boy!

[Ordex]

ahhh ali knows how to make a dime.
I wonder if he changes the people with apartments in macquarie street for parking in market place as well...

[Ordex]

managed to get down there again and check out the building site again. crane tower is beginning to go up and I notice another hole has been dug towards the bottom right of the below photo. any ideas what that might be for?

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3151/p1020362up3.jpg

[OptomistOne]

That is another great photo Ordex - keep them coming!

No idea what the second hole is for. Bottom of a lift shaft maybe?

Hopefully work will start soon too on the Hadely's Hotel extension. There are a couple of good spots for photos as well - there is a small laneway off Victoria Street which leads right to the site.

Great wok Ordex.

[OptomistOne]

Cul or one of the other moderators

- can this thread be changed now as the building is actually under construction?

I think the name could simply be 1 Market Place?

We are also getting some great photos now thanks to Ordex.

[OptomistOne]

A lovely green Terex Tower Crane is now up on site.

Expect to see the footings and some of the podium level pre-fabricated concrete panels in place by Christmas.

I really need to learn how to load some photos on this website....:ohno::ohno:

[Burden]

So much for that title change, Anyway it sounds like a Comedil CTT of some sort, if its a Terex. Bellow are some instructions on posting photos. Upload it to Imageshack then copy and paste the text in the 'hotlink for forums' box; the [url] [img] stuff gets converted to the actual image by the forum software.

[OptomistOne]

So much for that title change, Anyway it sounds like a Comedil CTT of some sort, if its a Terex. Bellow are some instructions on posting photos. Upload it to Imageshack then copy and paste the text in the 'hotlink for forums' box; the [url] [img] stuff gets converted to the actual image by the forum software.

Thanks Burden - you are a star!:banana:

And come to think of it I am pretty sure the words Comedil did appear in the banner attached to the crane - so you are spot on there too.

[Ordex]

More pics!

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3446/p1020411eq2.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9001/p1020413ar6.jpg

[Burden]

Yeah, she's a Comedil, The boom on them are huge, love the green colour. Oa and no worries for the help, cheers for the photos.

[ROVER]

This construction site is sensational - we can look straight into it! Same goes for the Wellington Centre when that gets underway.

Nice photos Ordex. I was presently surprised on the way to work this morning. I like the way you captured the city's other crane in the background in pic 2:okay:

[Ordex]

Nice photos Ordex. I was presently surprised on the way to work this morning. I like the way you captured the city's other crane in the background in pic 2:okay:

cheers, I'll keep them coming as much as I can!:)

[CULWULLA]

great. ill update emporis.
when was last highrise crane in CBD?

so still 37m tall?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3078381911_aa0ed6fbbd_o.jpg

[OptomistOne]

^^in Hobart? probably around 1900.......

Seriously, it was I think Ali Sultans extension to his Market Street carpark (which actually fronted Macquarie Street) but which also included some flats. Sometime in late 2006??? Not sure as I was in London at the time. Ordex or Rover will probably know for sure.

[Ordex]

the crane that was used in the 188 collins st (gov office block) redevelopment project would surely have been higher? or was that something different?

[ROVER]

great. ill update emporis.
when was last highrise crane in CBD?

so still 37m tall?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3078381911_aa0ed6fbbd_o.jpg

Should be 40m high I believe.

Yeah I think the last and biggest crane would have been 188 Collins st. But others have included Bridges Bros in Elizabeth St (05) and Royal Hobart Hospital 06/07...

[Ordex]

one last piccy before I head off on holiday for a month. can't wait to see how this building is going by the time I get back
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9965/dsc00533vp2.jpg

[Chuq]

A very unique angle Ordex! Great work!

[Tassieboy]

Great Photos. When is the building expected be completed?

[Indictable]

37m! tiny! Rocky can do better! haha, but its a nice one, facade wise

[OptomistOne]

Great Photos. When is the building expected be completed?

The last time I spoke to one of the contractors which was in late December he said the building is expected to be topped out in August. Total height will be around 41 meters. Fit out will take a bit longer but the hotel is expected to be open at Christmas time to cater for the extra tourists which arrive for the Hobart waterfront stuff.