Need your input

[Ara]

One of my greatest dream is to enhance our drama talents. If you look at the movies being released in our country, many of them are crap. There are good actors and actresses out there, they just need a proper venue to showcase their talents. One of my dream is to obtain the license for the Andrew Lloyd Webber's play The Phantom of the Opera. From here, I would love to see an all Indonesian cast with the entier orchestra also made from Indonesian. Not only that, I would also love to get the stage designers (albeit, they will have to use the designs already used in other plays) also from Indonesia.

My question is, since I've been out of the country for too long, how receptive is the Jakarta crowd to musical plays? Will they actually come out and support incentives like this?

[Fir3blaze]

Hi Ara, that's nice. I'm not sure how it works out there, I thought the license for plays like The Phantom of the Opera is handed only to one particular group?

I personally think that performing arts in Indonesia is still largely under-developed. We tend to be more aware of other art forms like painting and musical works. I personally have never watch any play in Indonesia before.

As far as i know, there's quite a number of theatrical groups (i don't know what you call them :) ), but I'm not sure of how's the public response on their performances.

If you do set out to hold such performances in Indonesia, I think one good way to promote it is to schools (SMU, Universitas, etc). I believe that nurturing art appreciation should start from young.

[Ara]

Hi Ara, that's nice. I'm not sure how it works out there, I thought the license for plays like The Phantom of the Opera is handed only to one particular group?
The license is held by the publishing house. In this case, it's held by a company called Really Usefull Group. That company happen to be owned by Sir Lloyd Webber himself. In essence, you are paying for the rights to put on the performance in a particular country. The cost of the license depends on who will be putting on the play. I believe that because Indonesia has an under developed performing arts, and the publicity they can get out of this, I will be able to negotiate a cheap cost for the license. An easier way is to try to get the touring company to stop in Indonesia (incidently, there is one touring China right now. They are made up of the South African cast of the Phantom of the Opera. I saw the play in Pretoria and they were marvelous) However, that will do nothing to nurture the arts in Indonesia. This is why I would like to get an all out Indonesian cast and crew.

As for starting them young, I know that in Broadway, they always set aside seats for students. They also have programs which encouraged students to enter the arts.

[Alvin]

I support your efforts, Ara. Incidentally, I saw the production of the Phantom whilst in Shanghai last month, it was excellent!

[sanhen]

Hmmm
How much the tickets in China?
I love performing arts.
Any many other Indonesians do.
But how much the tix will be in Indonesia?
Will it be too expensive for Indonesian?

[Alvin]

of course a production like that would be targeted to the relatively well off. The tickets in China costed from RMB200-600 I think (1RMB = Rp1200)

[Ara]

It will definately be costly for your original Indonesia. The ticket prices in South Africa for Phantom depend on the days. Tuesday to Thursday, the price was at R140 to R340. Friday and Saturday, R150 to R350. Matinee shows: Saturday and sunday R100 to R300. R1 = Rp.1,600. So, if you translate it into Rupiah, the price tickets will go from Rp160,000 to Rp560,000.

[David-80]

I think the reception will be good as long its not that expensive for the locals.

Ara, have you tried contacting teater koma? they got plenty of talents there.
Anyway Jakarta now have some kind of opera house in Plaza semanggi, i cant recalled whats the name of it, graha something.

cheers

[sanhen]

I think 160,000 is ok for watching a play like phantom of the opera.
watching a movie in theathre at jakarta can cost that much. and its not a live performance :) :) :)
For me, I am willing to pay up to 250,000 for a live play.
I paid about 60 bucks to watch Mammamia back at princess theatre years ago.
so yeah.. i think this kind of show is for mid to upper class Indonesian.

[Ara]

Thanks for your contribution guys. I've map out the direction which I will need to go:

(1) Start talking to RUG about licensing POTO. Find out from the company about the overall production. How big will the cast and crew will be. Logistic in creating the sets, etc.
(2) Once we get the information, look for the venue that can accomodate the play. Looking at around 2,000 to 3,000 seaters. This way, we can try to reduce the cost while increasing the revenue. David, do you know how big Graha is?
(3) Get all the numbers together and create a business plan.
(4) Find investors
(5) Maybe it's better if I get a well known director so investors would be more comfortable when they invest in the play.
(6) Hire the necessary supervisors and manager

From here on is where the production of the play get started. Hiring out a venue for the audition and rehearsels. Acquire the necassry cast members and start creating the set. Publicity will also start as soon as the cast members have been decided.

What do you guys think?

ETA: If I can pull this off, you guys need to give me your address and I'll send you guys complimentary tickets for the launch gala and the opening night.
:cheers: :cheers:

[David-80]

Graha Balai sarbini, thats the name of it. its located in Plaza semanggi. its purely designed for opera/theatre venue, 1st in Jakarta. I think it can hold up to more than 2000.

The last events held in Balai sarbini (that i know)

1. the final of Indonesian idol
2. Miss Indonesia 2005

But if thats not enough....Bung Karno stadium or even JHCC are ready ! :D

I think thats good idea ara. I fully support it.

cheers

[Ara]

Graha Balai sarbini, thats the name of it. its located in Plaza semanggi. its purely designed for opera/theatre venue, 1st in Jakarta. I think it can hold up to more than 2000.

The last events held in Balai sarbini (that i know)

1. the final of Indonesian idol
2. Miss Indonesia 2005

But if thats not enough....Bung Karno stadium or even JHCC are ready ! :D

I think thats good idea ara. I fully support it.

cheers
Last time I went to Bung Karno was for the Mick Jagger's concert back in the 80s. :D

When I come hom sometime in april, I'll have to visit all the venues and take pictures. I've look around the web and the JCC is one option. it can accomodate 2,500 people. Also look at Gedung Kesenian Jakarta. That is a buetifull building, but I believe it'll be too small for a production this big.

Thanks for the suggestion for Graha Balai David.

If we go according to other production of plays like this, at minimum, we need the show to go for at least 1 month. Playing every day except for Monday (they need to rest and the costumes need to be dry cleaned. Possible 5 a sec promotion here :) )

[Fir3blaze]

Wow Ara, seems like you're already making your first steps! That's good to hear. Btw, the ticket prices that you quoted are the pricing in South Africa, right? If you're holding it with an all Indonesian cast, would it be possible for ticket prices to be lower?

I'm not very familiar with pricing of such performances, but personally I think Rp. 500,000 for a ticket is too expensive. My consideration is that if assuming you watch such show with your boy/girl friend, that would cost the two of you a total of Rp. 1 juta to watch!! Oh, and since you want to encourage younger audience to watch, maybe give generous discounts for students to watch on weekdays (or at odd timings).

@those who're in Jakarta, how much is a movie ticket? What about concert tickets? FYI, in surabaya one movie ticket costs around Rp. 30,000.

[sanhen]

I remember back in 1994/95 there was Vivian Chou (a big HK artist at that time) concert in HaiLai and the tix cost 500,000. Rupiah still strong. So its bloody expensive. But it was a one time show only. And still packed with people.

[Ara]

Update: I've just e-mailed RUG about licensing the play for Indonesia. I'll find out sometime next week. Wish me luck guys.

Here are some stats which will, unfortunately, will force the production house to keep the play a little expensive:

There are 130 cast, crew and orchestra members directly involved in each performance.

Each performance has 230 costumes, 14 dressers, 120 automated cues, 22 scene changes, 281 candles and uses 250 kg of dry ice and 10 fog and smoke machines.
The touring production takes 27 articulated lorries to transfer the set between theatres.

Fir3blaze, how receptive will people in Surabaya be for this kind of production? If it goes well in Jakarta, I would like to have it tour Surabaya and Denpasar.

[Fir3blaze]

I think the level of interest in Surabaya and Jakarta should be similar. The ability to pay for the ticket is surely higher in Jakarta than Surabaya. AFAIK, there is no proper theatre to showcase such performances. You may want to try the currently-under-construction Jatim Expo building :D.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=107188

Ara, regarding pricing i think it depends on how many people are you looking to attract during the entire period you'll be holding the show. I personally think that reasonable ticket price is in the Rp.100,000 (cheapest) - Rp.400,000 (most expensive), with majority of the tickets sold in the Rp.100,000 - Rp.250,000 price range.


Oh, and I think Bali is a wonderful place to hold the show. Not only that there are plenty of (Dollar paying) foreign tourists there, I also think that the Balinese appreciate art better than most Indonesians.

[Ara]

Look like POTO is on hold for now. They aren't giving the license away this year. However, there are other options which I found. Which of these shows would do well, in your opinions:

Disney's Beauty And The Beast
Annie
Les Misérables
Little Shop Of Horrors
Sound of Music

[sanhen]

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Beauty and the Beast will be a sell out in Jakarta
Sound of Music and Les Miserables sounds good also.
But definetely Beauty and The Beast first.

[Alvin]

My only concern about having it in Bali is that most tourists (both international and domestic) don't go to Bali to watch these western performances, they're interested in Balinese culture. So definitely, I think jakarta would be your first stop, and then depending on what kind of reception you get, decide whether to 'expand' to other cities.

I'd go for Sound of Music, and then Beauty and the BEast. They're the ones that are most likely to have the greatest mainstream appeal IMO. Les Miserables is probably third.

In terms of ticket price, my feeling would be between Rp150,000 and Rp 600,000 would be reasonable and affordable for Jakarta's substantial mid-upper class.

[Fir3blaze]

Hey, Sound of Music will be very interesting i think. Disney's Beauty and the Beast will win on the "brand" name. Like every kid will cry n beg their parents to watch the Beauty and the Beast, since the story is familiar to most kids nowadays. The sound of music is relatively less known, but if you manage to market it well, that should be the better show.

[Ara]

I do believe that going for the brand name will be a great way to start the company. I'll still have to talk to my partner. We'll probably be looking for a smaller theatre. I belive 600 to 1,000 seaters will be appropriate. The show days will be: Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Saturday and Sunday will have matinee show. During the matinee show, the understudies will be on stage. The tickets:
Regular show: Rp150,000 - R250,000 - Rp350,000. Matinee: Rp100,000 - Rp150,000 - Rp250,000.

How does that look?

[Ara]

Quick question, how would Evita do? Especially if we can get two top male singers and a female singer to do the lead? I'm thinking, for the the male lead, about getting the guy from Padi. I really like his voice.

For the Evita role, I'm thinking that girl that won the indonesian idol.

[Alvin]

oohhhh, that's a great idea, getting top pop singers to do the lead roles...
and Evita would do well, I think.

[Fir3blaze]

Yeah, getting the idols (or popular figures) would work i think. Simply because the fans of such idols are crazy bunch of ppl who are willing to spend their money.

About the choice of show, i think Evita is quite good...different from "kids" shows like Beauty and the Beast.

[sanhen]

Dont forget "Lion King". It was a big hit in Sydney.
Or Cirque de Soleil, currently in Melbourne.

[Ara]

Dont forget "Lion King". It was a big hit in Sydney.
Or Cirque de Soleil, currently in Melbourne.
Disney haven't released the license for the Lion King, so it's going to be harder to convince Disney to give us the rights to produce it locally. We were just talking about Beauty and the Beast and figure that we should do that one a little later on. The production cost would be expensive and its better that we build up a solid credential so when we look for money for a bigger production, we can get them. Look like Evita is going to be our first musical.

Here are some stats:
The orchestra will have 20 members

Principles: 3: 1 Female; 2 Male
Featured: 2: 1 Male; 2 Female

The ensamble is flexible. We are looking at around 10 dancers/singers

Balai sarbini is an absolutely marvelous venue, from the pictures I've saw. It can hold 1,300 people, which is perfect. I figure we should go for a week run and test the water. Get the option from the venue to rent it for a month.

Would a price range between Rp100,000 to Rp.400,000 be appropriate?

[Alvin]

yes, that price range is perfect IMO.

Btw, Ara, what is your profession exactly?

[Ara]

yes, that price range is perfect IMO.

Btw, Ara, what is your profession exactly?
Currently, I'm finishing up up thesis about conflict diamond in Africa. Also dabbling in free lancing journalism. Basically concentrating on relationship between Southern African countries and Indonesia. Working on a story about Indonesia's peacekeeping contribution to the DRC. Hopefully Jakarta Post is going to be interested. I'm comming back to Indonesia permenantly in April.

[Fir3blaze]

Cirque du soleil sounds very circus-like to me. I've never get a chance to watch it when it was playing in Singapore. :P

I think the price range is fine. While the production is smaller scale say compared to phantom of the opera, I agree with you Ara that it'll help to build credentials for bigger show. Like you said, test the water.

All the best! and let us know of updates,k? :cheers:

[sanhen]

Yes, its a circus like no other hehehe
very nice.
I saw them on TV before.

[Alvin]

Ara - interesting, u working on your PhD?

I would think that Cirque would need specifically-skilled human resources, can't just ask any famous singers to do it so I guess in that way it is different from the likes of Evita, Beauty and the Beast etc.

[sanhen]

Woops... Ara was thinking to license it.. Bringin Cirque de Soleil would need to bring the whole gang to Indonesia hehehe

[Ara]

Thanks for the support guys.

What do you guys think about this mini tour:

Jakarta for 2 weeks
Bandung for 2 weeks

Playing Tuesday to Sunday with two shows Saturday and Sunday. Matinee shows will have the understudy playing the lead roles.

Venue: Aiming for 1,000 to 1,500 seaters

Ticket price: R150,000 - R250,000 - Rp400,000
Martinee: Rp100,000 - Rp200,000 - Rp350,000

[Ara]

We've done some calculation, and here are the ticket prices that we will be charging:

Regular Show
Rp150,000
Rp300,000
Rp500,000
Rp800,000

Matinee Show
Rp100,000
Rp250,000
Rp450,000
Rp750,000

[Fir3blaze]

Sounds good, Ara. What does the rest think?

[Alvin]

Its just about right, but be prepared to supply a lot of Rp150,000 tickets, and the Rp800,000 sounds a tad pricey?? For what show is this, Ara?

[Fir3blaze]

Yeah, I agree with Alvin. The proportion for the different classes of tickets must be 'just right'. Not many people can (and will) spend 800,000 for a show.

[Ara]

Its just about right, but be prepared to supply a lot of Rp150,000 tickets, and the Rp800,000 sounds a tad pricey?? For what show is this, Ara?

It's for Evita. I've reduced the prices. What do you guys think about this:

Tuesday to Thursday
Rp450,000
Rp350,000
Rp250,000
Rp150,000

Friday to Sunday
Rp500,000
Rp400,000
Rp300,000
Rp200,000

Matinee Saturday & Sunday
Rp400,000
Rp300,000
Rp200,000
Rp100,000

[Alvin]

this one's definitely more affordable. Rp100,000-Rp 200,000 for a good-quality production is quite a bargain I think, even for Jakartans...and I'm sure there are quite a bit of those with deep pockets and a passion for the high-society lifestyle willing to go for the premium ones.

[Ara]

this one's definitely more affordable. Rp 150,000 for a good production is quite a bargain I think, even for Jakartans...

Yeah, we figure it's good that the "common" folks willl be able to watch the show. Think of it as an investment for the future.

We figured that the show will run for about 4 weeks. 24 shows for the regular show and 8 shows for the matinee show. The shows does not include the gala openining.

Rehearsal wise, we are looking at 5 weeks for the cast and 3 weeks for the orchestra. The last week of rehearsal will be conducted on stage and this will be the first time both the orchestra and the cast will rehearse together. They've called this week, hell week. Opening night will be on the saturday of the final rehearsal week. For the opening, it will be 100% invite only. This is when the cast and crew invite their families, the press gets to see it, and the VIPs will be invited, along with investors and corporate sponsors with their guests.

[tata]

Any special price for students, old peoples or groups?

[Ara]

Any special price for students, old peoples or groups?
Just groups. The matinee show is very cheap for this size production. Albeit, the main lead will be played by the understudies.

[David-80]

Wait, did you also divide the price of tickets with the seating sets?

cheers

[sanhen]

seating allocation you mean?
different building have different seating position

[Ara]

Yes, the highest and lowest price will occupy 20% respectively. The middle two will be the bulk with 30% of the seats respectively.

[Alvin]

THe SOund of Music screens in Singapore. A KOmpas article today..


"The Sound of Music" Selalu Menawan


GEMURUH tepuk tangan memenuhi Esplanade Theatre, Singapura. Tidak cukup hanya tepuk tangan, beberapa penonton berdiri sambil terus bertepuk tangan memberi salut kepada satu per satu pemain musikal The Sound of Music yang kembali muncul ke panggung saat mengakhiri pertunjukan mereka sepanjang dua jam empat puluh lima menit.

TEPUK tangan makin membahana ketika satu per satu pemeran keluarga Von Trapp, mulai dari si kecil Gretl hingga Kapten Georg von Trapp muncul.

Setelah lama menunggu, kerinduan masyarakat di Asia untuk bisa menonton musikal ini terpenuhi ketika kelompok musikal dari Broadway itu melakukan tur panjang ke benua ini sejak tahun lalu. Tepuk tangan yang lama- hampir lima menit-menandakan keingintahuan masyarakat, mulai dari anak-anak hingga orang tua, mengenai opera itu.

Maklum saja, selama ini mereka hanya bisa membaca buku yang sudah diterjemahkan ke dalam sejumlah bahasa dan paling banter menonton film The Sound of Music yang sekarang keping digitalnya mudah didapat.

Pemilihan tur panjang The Sound of Music sejak tahun lalu hingga sekarang boleh dibilang tepat waktu. Tahun ini merupakan peringatan 100 tahun Maria von Trapp. Ia lahir 25 Januari 1905 dan meninggal dunia tahun 1987.

Tahun ini juga merupakan peringatan 60 tahun berakhirnya Perang Dunia II. Awal Perang Dunia II merupakan setting kisah keluarga ini. Tahun ini juga merupakan peringatan 40 tahun pemutaran perdana film tersebut. The Sound of Music pertama kali diputar pada tahun 1965, yang dibintangi Julie Andrews sebagai Maria.

Sekadar mengenang kembali, musikal yang berdasarkan kisah nyata keluarga Von Trapp dari Salzburg, Austria, menjelang Perang Dunia II ini bermula dari calon suster bernama Maria Reiner-dalam musikal itu diperankan oleh Jennifer Semrick-yang lebih suka bermain musik di bukit hingga dia selalu telat kembali ke biara saat ibadat sore. Kelakuan calon suster yang "bengal" ini sudah pasti menjadi pembicaraan di Biara Benediktin itu.

Kepala biara kemudian memutuskan untuk mengirim Maria mengajar sementara anak-anak keluarga Kapten Georg von Trapp. Kapten Von Trapp yang merupakan pensiunan Angkatan Laut Austria ini memiliki enam anak. Sejak istrinya meninggal, Von Trapp mengelola kehidupan keluarganya laksana kehidupan di dalam sebuah kapal perang dan sudah barang tentu anak-anaknya harus menjadi prajurit yang taat gaya militer.

Kehadiran Maria mengubah semua itu. Kala Kapten tidak di rumah, Maria mengajar enam anak-anak Von Trapp bermain, menyanyi, dan menikmati hidup.

Suatu ketika Von Trapp pulang dari Vienna dan sangat marah ketika melihat anak- anaknya lebih senang bernyanyi dan menari serta tidak lagi menjalankan tradisi militer. Suara musik sudah bertahun- tahun tidak terdengar di keluarga tersebut. Akan tetapi, kejadian ini menyadarkan sang kapten, betapa penting memahami dan mencintai anak- anaknya.

Terlalu panjang bila semua kisah diceritakan di sini. Satu kejadian yang penting adalah saat Maria mengajari salah satu anak lelaki Von Trapp menari tarian rakyat Austria, tiba-tiba Von Trapp mengambil alih hingga ia menari bersama Maria. Saat itu Maria menyadari ia telah jatuh cinta kepada Von Trapp. Pertentangan batin terjadi di dalam dirinya karena ia masih berstatus calon biarawati katolik. Maria kemudian melarikan diri kembali ke biara.

"Cinta antara laki-laki dan perempuan adalah suci, dan biara bukan tempat untuk bersembunyi dari satu masalah," kata suster kepala biara menyambut kedatangan Maria di biara itu. Ia meminta agar Maria kembali ke keluarga Von Trapp. Maria kemudian kembali ke keluarga tersebut dan dia maupun von Trapp menyadari adanya perasaan cinta hingga kemudian mereka menikah.

Saat itu menjelang Perang Dunia II kekuasaan Nazi Jerman makin membayangi wilayah Austria. Von Trapp yang eks militer itu telah diminta untuk ikut kembali terjun ke militer aktif. Pada saat yang bersamaan keluarga tersebut juga akan tampil dalam sebuah festival menyanyi di Salzburg. Pejabat Nazi mengizinkan keluarga itu tampil di festival, tetapi beberapa pasukan Nazi akan mendampinginya sehingga begitu selesai Von Trapp bisa langsung dibawa ke pos militer di Bremerhaven.

Pada saat tampil dengan lagu yang terakhir di festival itu, Maria memimpin satu per satu, termasuk suaminya, keluar dari panggung dan melarikan diri ke biara sebelum pemenang festival tersebut diumumkan. Meski sempat dikejar-kejar pasukan Nazi, melalui biara ini mereka melarikan diri keluar dari Austria dengan jalan mendaki gunung di belakang biara yang merupakan tempat Maria sering "mangkir" dari biara ketika ia masih menjadi calon suster. Keluarga ini kemudian melakukan konser di Eropa dan kemudian beremigrasi ke Amerika.

Kisah sederhana keluarga Von Trapp kemudian dibukukan oleh Howard Lindsay dan Russel Crouse dengan judul The Trapp Family Singers. Pada tahun 1965 kisah ini difilmkan dengan judul The Sound of Music, diputar perdana dengan pemeran utama Julie Andrews sebagai Maria. Film ini memenangi lima kategori Academy Award, mulai dari film terbaik hingga rekaman suara terbaik pada tahun yang sama. Film ini juga memecahkan rekor sebagai film yang diputar terpanjang, hingga 300 minggu.

Adegan-adegan di dalam sebuah musikal pasti akan mudah membawa emosi penonton dibandingkan dengan membaca buku atau menonton filmnya. Hal ini jugalah yang membuat Citystate Management Group Holding Pte Ltd membawa musikal ini ke Singapura.

Direktur Pertunjukan Opera Citystate Leow Siak Fah, dalam kata pengantar pertunjukan itu, mengatakan, dirinya tertarik membawa musikal ini ketika menonton musikal The Sound of Music pertama kalinya di Shanghai, China, Juli 2004. Leow mengaku, ketika menonton dirinya tidak bersiap untuk mendapat serangan dari kekuatan musikal ini ke dalam kalbunya.

Kelompok dari Broadway ini sudah mengunjungi beberapa negara di Asia. Pada saat kita kekeringan dengan berbagai tontonan keluarga yang bisa melibatkan anak-anak, remaja, hingga orang tua, The Sound of Music tampil menawan, menyegarkan kembali perasaan kita tentang kesederhanaan cinta.

Sayang sekali keluarga di Indonesia belum bisa beramai-ramai menonton musikal ini karena belum ada kabar mereka akan tampil di Indonesia. Sekali lagi, sayang seribu sayang! (ANDREAS MARYOTO)

[Ara]

Thanks for the article. Never liked Rodgers and Hammerstein's musicals (too happy for me). I do like it that we are getting them. Just for a little update, we are talking to MTI for licensing right now. Hoping for a July opening. Venue still yet to be determined.

[Alvin]

tell me more about MTI, I have no idea about licensing performances etc. Also, is it Evita?

[Ara]

MTI stands for Music Theater International. They are a licensing company. Some authors or production company give the company the responsibility to disperse its license. Evita is handled by another called R&H Theatricals. MTI charges a rental rate to the company that is doing the show. The authors receive royalty for that particular production. General thumb of rule is the authors will receive 10% of the receipt.

It's not Evita, we're going for Beauty and the Beast. This is due to the fact that we want to have it sometime in either June or July, during schools holiday. We are thinking about having Evita done at the end of the year.

[Alvin]

Great! I'll definitely attend if I'm around in Jakarta during the show. Its a musical , right? What about the venue? Will it be performed by Indonesians?

[Ara]

Its a musical , right? What about the venue? Will it be performed by Indonesians?

It's a musical, in fact, it's still playing in Broadway. The venue is still yet determined. We are looking for a venue that could seat btw 2,250 to 2,500 people. I don't wan't to go to JCC. It will be performed by Indonesians, however, I believe we have to grab a foreign director and have an Indonesian learn the tricks.

[macgyver]

It's a musical, in fact, it's still playing in Broadway. The venue is still yet determined. We are looking for a venue that could seat btw 2,250 to 2,500 people. I don't wan't to go to JCC. It will be performed by Indonesians, however, I believe we have to grab a foreign director and have an Indonesian learn the tricks.

If it's only 2500 people ... many place lah di Jakarta