Breaking news: Two CRH coaches fell down the elevated bridge (D3115 Hangzhou - Fuzhou), 20:34 July 23rd

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Emergency workers and people work to help passengers from the wreckage of train after two carriages from a high-speed train derailed and fell off a bridge in Wenzhou in east China's Zhejiang province Saturday July 23, 2011. A Chinese news agency says there is no immediate word on casualties. (AP Photo)

SHANGHAI, July 23 (Reuters) - A bullet train in China’s eastern province of Zhejiang derailed late on Saturday with two carriages falling off a bridge, the official Xinhua news agency quoted local fire department sources as saying.

No details on the casualties were immediately available.

The train was travelling from the provincial capital Hangzhou to the city of Wenzhou and derailed at the section of Shuangyu Town in Wenzhou at 8:34 p.m. (1234 GMT), said fire fighters from Wenzhou.

Rescue teams were on their way to the scene, Xinhua said.

Read more: China bullet train derails in eastern province: Report (http://www.vancouversun.com/news/China+bullet+train+derails+eastern+province+Report/5149757/story.html#ixzz1SwKLnpLr)

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Emergency workers and civilians perform rescue duties from the wreckage of a train crash in Wenzhou in east China's Zhejiang province, Saturday, July 23, 2011. A Chinese bullet train lost power after being struck by lightning and was hit from behind by another train, knocking two of its carriages off a bridge, killing at least 16 people and injuring 89, state media reported. (AP Photo)

32 dead 191 injured so far. 天灾更是人祸，还恬不知耻自称比日本技术先进，建议合并铁道部，追究所有铁道部sb官员们。

愿逝者安息。

^^Well said i agree!

One thing that has always bothered me about CRH is the font they chose for the name 和諧號. The one they chose doesn't feel high-tech, in fact, it feels very... ancient.

Feels more communist than everything..

oh no, this will be a set back for high speed rail in China. I have not followed or read the whole story, what is/are the cause? Is China moving too fast and should spent more testing before putting the train to work?

急功近利办不好事情。

铁道部称雷击导致事故 (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2011-07-24/151622867842.shtml)

Its shameless! 铁道部推卸责任，太不要脸了。雷击只是导致前面列车停止，铁道部的SB们才是事故的元凶！

建议铁道部，上海铁路局的所有棺员每人抽3000CC血液支持伤员。

温州动车追尾事故路段延至25日18时通车 (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2011-07-24/211322868570.shtml)

WTF！不找出事故原因怎能通知何时通车？？？难道25日18时后这段沿线就不打雷了？强烈建议取缔MOR。

事发列车已被直接推下高架轨道。

中国高铁隐秘产业链： http://www.21cbh.com/zhuanti/2011_xuesegaotie/

信号监测系统和防灾安全系统的主承包商---辉煌科技

中小板上市公司辉煌科技（002296.SZ）系铁道部指定企业，高铁信号监测系统和防灾安全系统的主承包商，同时是国内轨道交通通信信号领域唯一一家上市公司。数据显示，辉煌科技的毛利率本来一直都在行业内领先，2006年到2010年，其综合毛利率一直处于45%以上，并且呈现逐步增长态势。其2010年的整体毛利率已经高达51%。让人觉得困惑的是，辉煌科技使用超募资金5091万元用于“铁路防灾安全监控系统”项目。计划形成每年为铁路部门开通约1000公里客运专线的防灾系统能力，形成年产值1.5亿元的生产规模，预计2011下半年竣工投产。

不知道是真是假：死亡人數超過36人市委書記級別撤職

It's really sad. I used the chinese HSR in march of this year and it was a really nice experience.

RIP to the victims.

这个记者要被开了

东方卫视今早7点10左右的新闻连线，现场记者介绍截至当时死亡人数63人，字幕显示死亡32人。到底真相是什么？
@老所：请大家注意该视频第34秒时主持人所说的。。。。 http://t.cn/alYYaB

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Passengers get their tickets refunded at the Hangzhou Railway Station in Hangzhou, capital of of east China's Zhejiang Province, July 24, 2011. More than 20 trains departing from Hangzhou have been suspended, nine other trains changed their destinations, due to the train crash on the Hangshen Railway. Some 10,000 passengers have to change their travel plan. (Xinhua/Wang Dingchang)

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People try to get information at a desk for relatives looking for victims on July 24, 2011 the day after two high-speed trains collided in the town of Shuangyu, on the outskirts of Wenzhou in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang. China has ordered an 'urgent' overhaul of rail safety, state media said on July 24, after the train crash killed 43 people and injured over 200 in the worst accident to ever hit the country's high-speed rail network.

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Crash victims rest in their beds in hospital on July 24, 2011 the day after two high-speed trains collided in the town of Shuangyu, on the outskirts of Wenzhou in the eastern Chinese province of Zhejiang

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Bystanders look on as Chinese rescuers work around the wreckage of train cars in Wenzhou in east China's Zhejiang province, Sunday, July 24, 2011. A bullet train crashed into another high-speed train, killing dozens of people and once again raising safety concerns about the country's fast-expanding rail network.

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news press: MOR apologizes to public

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That MOR press officer makes me want to punch him in the face.

Now words are that after storm damaged the signalling and system, the railway bereau decided to over-ride the ATP and operate the trains manually. Is it true? If it is it has to be one of the stupidest decisions ever made.

日本专家对于本次高铁事故的分析


来源：日本NHK华语广播

中国浙江省温州市境内发生的高速铁路列车追尾事故，迄今为止，已造成35人死亡，210人受伤。中国铁道部发言人表示，雷击导致设备发生故障。他以此暗示，防止列车相撞的自动控制系统可能没能正常启动。

在本次事故中，被撞的是CRH1型列车，该规格的列车主要是中国与加拿大的高铁列车技术为基础生产的。追尾后发生车厢从高架桥上翻落的列车是CRH2型列车，该规格的列车主要是中国与日本东北新干线Hayate系列列车的技术为基础生产的。而高铁列车的自动控制系统则是由中国自主研发的。

有关专家介绍说，在自动控制系统正常运转的情况下，如果两辆同方向行驶的列车之间的距离不到7千米，后方行驶的列车自动控制系统将会接收到相关信号，自动为列车减速，从而防止追尾事故的发生。但是在本次事故中，据追尾列车上的乘客介绍，巨大的冲撞是在一瞬间发生的，随后车厢就翻落到了高架桥下。在冲撞发生之前并没有感觉到列车在刹车减速，也没有听到刹车时发出的摩擦声，列车的速度没有发生任何变化。这从另一方面也证明了列车的自动控制系统没能正常运转。

关于中国高铁铁路列车的追尾事故，熟知中国高铁建设的日本工学院大学教授曾根悟指出，在日本，当列车上的设备出现故障或发生其它意外时，会亮起红色的信号灯，让相关线路上的列车暂停行驶。正是这种较为完善的安全措施，才确保在日本不会发生类似的列车追尾事故。

日本也时常发生列车设备因雷击出现故障的情况，而在这时，铁路上会自动亮起红色的信号灯，并使后方车辆停车，从而防止撞车事故的发生。

增根悟同时谈到了中国高铁建设中的一些问题。他说，中国的高铁建设采用了好几个国家的技术，列车规格以及控制系统不统一，同一线路上，存在几种不同的系统。为此，许多专家都对其安全性感到担忧。分别对几个国家长期积累的技术进行取长补短后，加以糅合。诚然，糅合得好的话，也许会发展顺利。但是，万一技术结合存在缺陷，就会弄巧成拙，反而会威胁运输安全。

中国有必要进一步完善安全措施，防止再次发生类似的事故。

HSR related shares tumble after the accident

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专家谈动车追尾事故:铁路自动制动系统尚未实现


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@头条新闻：【专家谈动车追尾事故:铁路自动制动系统尚未实现】东方早报报道，温州动车追尾事故发生后，公众对铁道部自主研发的动车防追尾系统——自动闭塞系统发出质疑。北京交大教授王梦恕称，目前铁路自动闭塞系统尚未达很高水平，动车紧急情况自动制动系统尚未实现，行驶主要靠人工进行。

3 days in there still isn't an official statement about the reasons behind the accident. The media have been instructed not to report the accident too much, not to investigate the causes themselves and not to do any reflections, but to strictly follow the official sources. Something very fishy is going on.

这次发生的事故，再次表现出中国人做事缺乏科学精神，漠视生命，政府表现拙劣：

- 列车驾驶员培训不过关（10天学会开350km的火车），系统验证不够完善。这个背后，是好大喜功，浮躁。这个过程中，不仅领导，下面的工程师也没有人站出来反对，站出来指出潜在的风险。中国人做事，还是缺乏严谨的科学精神，缺乏独立挑战权威的勇气。产党的长期独裁，对此贡献巨大。

- 火车出事后，铁道部居然就地掩埋列车残骸。这些都是残骸碎片，都有研究价值。居然被当着废铁埋了。这是缺乏科学精神的另一个体现。在没有搞清楚问题前，急于再次通车，这也是不负责人的表现。

- 火车救援后，没有彻底检查车内还有无幸存者，就强行拆车。其中还找到一个活着的女孩。这tmd是什么决策？人命难道就这么不值钱么？出事后，发言人竟然厚颜无耻地说：这是生命的奇迹！

- 具体死亡人数不可信。铁道部应该公开死亡名单。

- 所有牵涉到此事的负责人：控制系统设计、采购的负责人、区段调度负责人、上海铁路局负责人、列车驾驶培训负责人应该给出令人信服的解释，直接责任人应该受罚。

这次MOR做的事情很傻比，禽兽不如啊

杨先生此次事故失去四名亲人

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@新民周刊杨江：杨先生此次事故失去四名亲人：妻子，岳母，大姨子及三岁外甥女，其妻怀孕七个月，所以也可以说失去了五个亲人！他身穿孝衣邀铁道部官员一起参观他因野蛮铲车导致尸体残缺，头部不齐的亲人遗体，该官员连连后退：我给你鞠躬，对不起！
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^^ GCD哪个部门不是一样？一群SB。
他们对人民的生命漠视，人民就骂他们傻逼.
白岩松还是有良知的，好样的，正在新闻1+1中质疑MOR的发言人王勇平。

3 days in there still isn't an official statement about the reasons behind the accident. The media have been instructed not to report the accident too much, not to investigate the causes themselves and not to do any reflections, but to strictly follow the official sources. Something very fishy is going on.

agreed.these corrupted officers want to hide the truth. it's not very difficult to find the truth. i think half a day is enough.

官僚主义，形式主义如果再不遏制，基础就不稳固了。

That MOR press officer makes me want to punch him in the face.

Now words are that after storm damaged the signalling and system, the railway bereau decided to over-ride the ATP and operate the trains manually. Is it true? If it is it has to be one of the stupidest decisions ever made.

都什么年代了，难道ZF还想像以前一样愚弄民众？！:bash:

这是一个奇迹

李承鹏 http://blog.sina.com.cn/lichengpeng 2011-07-25 18:17:45

大约十几天前，就是京沪高铁特别喜欢跟雷公玩偏瘫的时候，我看过一个冷静的技术帖：

这绝不是一般的雷击。一般雷击会造成瞬时短路，过几秒钟即恢复，而此次导致接触网长时间断电，很可能是遭遇恶意软件入侵。这种蠕虫病毒与去年11月份侵入伊朗离心机操控系统相类似。这其实是一次机密行动，由美国和日本联手发起。两国计算机专家制造出这种病毒后，今年1月17日曾在日本新干线电网控制系统做过模拟测试，那次测试造成日本新干线多列停驶，影响八万多人出行，最长延时达2小时。报称，英国和德国在知情或不知情的情况下为制造此种病毒提供了帮助（见链接）……

我承认，这是一个奇迹。

我还认为这个帖是所有帖的总帖，所有的事故原因因之都迎刃而解。所以当另一个奇迹也就是甬温线的前车却追了后车的尾时，我并不关心停电与制动，无线通讯第二套备用，闭塞式区间管理失灵，安全锤砸不烂车窗……这些技术问题永无答案。CIA、特高课、占士邦和蠕虫都不远万里赶来时，技术问题是最狗屁的问题。为了说明这个，我还可以举例子，前段时间日本高管说中国人剽窃各国技术，讨论是否要以安全为代价提速，铁道部顾问、院士王梦恕并不屑跟他们探讨技术问题，而像外交部发言人一样开朗地笑笑：他们吃醋了。

这是一个奇迹……有醋以来。中国的铁路，从一百年辛亥的那一根，到成昆线到动车直到京沪高铁，从来就不是技术问题，而是政治问题，只是以前事关龙体，现在事关国体。如果你能在这个高度看问题，就很好理解雷公雷母总成为被告，铁道部永不公布遇难者名单，匆忙宣布无生命迹象开始掩埋车体时，一个三岁女孩忽然很不懂事地冒出来，逼使王勇平发了生平最火的一句“这是一个奇迹”……这些奇迹了。可不要以为只有铁道部是奇迹，也不要以为现在才忽然奇迹。一个迅雷不及掩耳之势发展的国家，各行各业都需要奇迹证明盗铃的合法性。

大跃进那会儿，为超英赶美，全国都在大炼钢铁，把自家锅碗瓢盆都送到乡里自建的高炉里熔炼，不一会儿就钢产量万吨了。那些庄稼汉兴奋地扑上去对钢砣砣又亲又啃的，发现不对，因为力气大一些的，手一使劲，钢砣砣就是一个坑。这是世界钢铁史和神龙教的奇迹。

我上大学那会儿，整个学校才四千多人，去年回去一看已芸芸八万学子，校长俨然已是董事长兼CEO。我头回坐飞机时全国客机也就三四百架且绝少晚点，要是晚点，空姐比我姐还关切地端茶送水还送小飞机模型，现在全国客机几千架机场建得跟鸡场一样多，碰巧哪天正点起飞一定会惊着你。还有收费站比日本鬼子炮楼还多的高速路，永远扩张永远亏损的中石油中石化……剩下的例子你们自己举。反正一切都在变，除了奇迹。

这列火车已不是火车，它是一个国家的图腾，这个国家本身就是个奇迹。这个国家需要不断的奇迹来证明优越性。因为它明白，在一个很少有人见过选票，常显示“你所搜索的网页不存在”，大部份农民说不清法院和检察院的区别，看了建党伟业却不敢向先烈们学习建党……的国家，只有不断创造GDP奇迹才可证明优越性。可创造奇迹，又得依赖一个庞大官僚机构以及支付巨额的花石纲，所以就得亲，落后性，亲，不合理性，亲，劣根性。

这样，动车的追尾，不是技术上的前车追了后车的尾，是落后性追了先进性的尾，当然你也可理解为这其实是情深意切交了尾。这个奇迹层面上，我们的合订本是不可以看的，过去的电视节目也不可看，昨天温故一个铁道部工程师骄傲的爱国宣言：中国列车的安全是有保证的，我们安全试验距离已绕地球一圈了。后来人们发现，该名工程师境外有28亿美元存款，如换成100元面值的人民币，连起来，确实可绕地球一圈还要多，由于绕过了，追了尾，才暴露。我们知道，他叫张曙光。

剩下还有很多奇迹，比如：

一、第一时间，群众们就去献血了。共和国盲肠成为脊梁，这是一个奇迹。
二、可每逢重大灾难，国家的血库就会缺血，群众就会献血。一个连血都没有的国家却要求人民有血性，这是另一个奇迹。
三、中国司机十天学会德国司机三个月的驾驶本领，学高铁比学开车快，这是驾驶课的奇迹。
四、生命探测仪没探测出生命，这是我国自主研发产品的再一个识别奇迹，据了解，每回新产品试验时都拿铁道部官员试测。这是奇迹。
五、活着买不起房，死了买不起墓，可坐趟动车就把你埋了，这是中国模式买一送一的奇迹。
六、《环球时报》社论：《高铁是中国人必须经历的自我折磨》。在神州舔菊史，这也是个奇迹。
七、奇迹不停步。刚刚有个人事调动，当年经历胶济铁路事故造成72人死亡，时任铁道部总调度长安路生被免职，这次又重回上海局当局长。所以当《安路生重回上海当局长》的标题出现，我一度看成是《安徒生重回上海当局长》。第七大奇迹，是最浪漫奇迹。
八、补@闾丘露薇据香港电台消息：日本副外相伴野丰批评中国政府急于恢复通车，要求中方查明确实起因，努力防止严重事故再发生，为国际社会带来贡献。他说，若中方提出要求，日方可以提供技术及人才，协助调查事故——日本人真阴险，表面协助调查事故，实际收买人心及反贪局的干活，中国政府要是答应，才是本年度最大一个奇迹。

这篇要是不被和谐，是我附送的一个奇迹。

以前是我就压制，我就封锁，你怎么着。现在多媒体发达了，封锁不了，压制不了，变成我就无耻，你怎么着。

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不解释

来个轻松的

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Are you guys jumping to conclusions a bit early ????

FYI
Wenzhou citizen mourn 7.23 victims

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来个轻松的

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :lol:

改革开放都那么多年了，怎么还那么官僚,那么假大空.经济上去了，政治上可以说反而退步了。

作为一个科技人，我以前就对中国的高铁有点成绩就沾沾自喜，大话不断觉得不对劲。日本新干线50年没出过事。德国的高铁在1998 也出过事，死亡人数超过100人。 我两次与日本人共过事，觉得日本人做事一丝不苟，踏踏实实的精神值得中国人学习。中国人必须要把“马马虎虎”这个成语从词典中删除掉才有希望。

此次事故时列车的速度还不算高，否则死亡人数会更多。京沪线若出事，经济损失将会巨大。但愿不会再出事。

貌似有些温州的图片被删除了？！

D3115、D301次动车温州追尾特别重大事故的简要分析, 引自凤凰网

http://news.ifeng.com/photo/wenzhoudongchezhuiwei/detail_2011_07/26/7944457_0.shtml

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Do you think the public's confidence in high speed rail will still be restored after this accident?

Do you think the public's confidence in high speed rail will still be restored after this accident?

If the MOR doesnt reflect on the accident and fix the problems, but instead shamelessly deliver the sheer CCP political propoganda as posted below, the publics confidence will be definitely shattered.

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I don't think so. This is no doubt a terrible and very serious accident, nonetheless it is still an accident.

We do not yet know the root cause for this accident, and it might involve both human and system failures in the final analysis. However, any so called conclusions at this point are simply conjecture. Let's keep a cool head and not swing like a yo-yo from one end of the extreme (everything is perfect and we are the best) to the other end (CRH is a piece of crap and everyone is corrupted) as nothing can be gained from that.

I, for one will continue to ride on the CRH and high speed railway is the future for both China and the world - although it will certainly take sometime to evolve into that stage.

For people who think there are some kind of media censorship or bias, I personally do not sense that. There are all kinds of coverage and angles on this accident if you care to look. Comparing to all the things happening in China every day, this is still an isolated accident. It is getting a lot of media attention because it involves the CRH which is currently the pride of the nation for better or for worse.

I do agree that "中国人必须要把“马马虎虎”这个成语从词典中删除掉" but this is a larger cultural issue and will take some time for the society to evolve. However, “马马虎虎” is not a chinese specific issue as there are “马马虎虎” everywhere.

May all of the victims rest in peace, and best wishes to all survivors.

日本新干线50年没出过事。德国的高铁在1998 也出过事，死亡人数超过100人。 我两次与日本人共过事，觉得日本人做事一丝不苟，踏踏实实的精神值得中国人学习。中国人必须要把“马马虎虎”这个成语从词典中删除掉才有希望。

不是说中国是很好 可是日本也有出过事
比如:

March 8, 2000 – Naka-Meguro train disaster, Japan: A Tokyo Subway train derails and is hit by another train on the next track; Five people die and 63 are injured.

October 23, 2004 – Nagaoka, Niigata: During the Chūetsu Earthquake eight of ten cars of the Toki No. 325 train on the Jōetsu Shinkansen derail. None of the 154 passengers are killed or injured.

April 25, 2005 – Amagasaki rail crash, Amagasaki, Hyogo, Japan: A train derails on sharp curve and smashes into an apartment building. 107 people die, 549 are injured. Investigation shows the driver was speeding because of a slight delay.

December 25, 2005 – Shonai, Yamagata, Japan: According to Japanese Railroad official and NTV report, all 6 cars of Akita–Niigata Inaho express train derail and three passenger cars are crushed, 5 people die and 32 are injured. Strong winter winds are thought to be the cause.

I don't think so. This is no doubt a terrible and very serious accident, nonetheless it is still an accident.

We do not yet know the root cause for this accident, and it might involve both human and system failures in the final analysis. However, any so called conclusions at this point are simply conjecture. Let's keep a cool head and not swing like a yo-yo from one end of the extreme (everything is perfect and we are the best) to the other end (CRH is a piece of crap and everyone is corrupted) as nothing can be gained from that.

I, for one will continue to ride on the CRH and high speed railway is the future for both China and the world - although it will certainly take sometime to evolve into that stage.

For people who think there are some kind of media censorship or bias, I personally do not sense that. There are all kinds of coverage and angles on this accident if you care to look. Comparing to all the things happening in China every day, this is still an isolated accident. It is getting a lot of media attention because it involves the CRH which is currently the pride of the nation for better or for worse.

I do agree that "中国人必须要把“马马虎虎”这个成语从词典中删除掉" but this is a larger cultural issue and will take some time for the society to evolve. However, “马马虎虎” is not a chinese specific issue as there are “马马虎虎” everywhere.

May all of the victims rest in peace, and best wishes to all survivors.

The accident is a testimony to the “硬着头皮干” attitude which is ingrained in the Chinese political culture. The signalling system, one of the only core components that are Chinese-developed was hastily put into use; when it failed on the 23rd of this month on the Ningbo - Wenzhou line the authority 硬着头皮 pushed for manual operation; even after the accident happened they still 硬着头皮 resumed operation after the most botched-up job you can call a rescue operation, well before the cause was identified and publicised. I'm afraid the public has every right to be very scetical about whether lessons have been learnt.

Whether or not they succeeded in any cover-up or media censorship, they certainly, certainly tried. Even when it was clear they'd never win against the alternative media the MOR was still spouting disgusting nonsense about dismantling the accident scene, and some papers published extremely nauseating stories about how the accident reflected the superiority of the Chinese political system. Credit to some of the local media which ignored the orders from the propaganda bereau and really questioned some aspects of the rescue operation.

地铁族转贴，看上去是比较可信的（来自 http://www.ditiezu.com/thread-176243-1-1.html ）

【转】刚刚开完会回来，给你们通俗的说下撞车事故原因

首先，是雷击造成CTC系统（中央交通调度系统）大面积红光带。
意思就是，指挥中心的计算机表示：我现在病了，不能管车了，为了安全我只能把信号全变成红灯，你们动车就暂时先别开了。

这下可坏了，前一阵子的京沪高铁雷击停运晚点给相关部门造成了很大压力。于是他们商议后表示，这坑爹啊，再搞个全线停车媒体不骂翻天吗？（CTCS-2跟以往的闭塞方法不同，不仅仅依靠轨道信号，还需要车载的应答系统等无线信号，遭到雷击破坏的可能性较高）。这车必须开，转入非常规站控引导列车进站。

而原本，那两辆车停在永嘉躲雷。

7月23日晚8点14分，我们的温州南站发令了：D3115永嘉发车，沿途遇到红灯不停，目视20KM/h，限速行驶。也就是司机同志，上级现在告诉你，遇到红灯只管往前开，注意点就行！同时，为了让列车在红灯亮起的情况下开车不被计算机阻挠，D3115的ATP（列车超速防护系统）被部分关闭，应答机停止工作。通俗地讲，这时D3115次列车开隐身了！它不再向其它列车报告自己的方位。

8点24分 D301也出来了……不过因为CTC系统已经损坏，所以D301上面一路白灯无码。请示上面，站上表示没问题，咱继续开！换句话说，相当于司机汇报：我眼睛出问题了，看不到前车啊！上面说：没事，我帮你盯着！

此时两车相对车距10分钟。但是由于前车速度很慢， 所以实际间距小于10分钟。

8点27分 D3115准备过桥（出事的高架桥），同时有乘客拉下了紧急制动（暂时不知为什么）。 这时车距7分钟

8点31分 D3115次司机汇报：车厢内旅客按紧急制动停车，接触弓收起。这时相对车距3分钟。

8点37分 调度布置温州南站联系D301次司机降弓。 这时候已经撞了3分钟了

而3分钟之前，也就是8点34分的事情，大家都知道了。

注：
什么是白灯无码？
即机车信号出现月白灯光，并发出白灯无码的语音提示，这是表示机车信号接收装置无法正常接收钢轨内的轨道电流，也就是地面信号，行话说的也就是无法解码。这种情况一般发生于半自动闭塞区段，电务信号弱电流位置。如果无法解码，则需要乘务员加强前方瞭望，确保运行安全。

附：
调度作业流程

　　2011年7月23日19:34分，温州南反映D3212次4道开车时跳出站信号，调度询问司机有没有动车，在确定司机没有动车后取消进路重新开放信号。
　　19:36分，因温州南站4道出站信号无法开放，调度布置温州南站转为非常站控。
　　19:44分，调度接温州南站报告：车站联锁显示下行三接近红光带，车站CTC界面无显示。D3212次4道开车后，调度布置车站转回分散自律。
　　19:45分，温州南站报告与永嘉、瓯海站接近、离去区段显示红光带。
　　19:53分，调度布置温州南站转入非常站控，19:55分布置瓯海转入非常站控。
　　20:01分，20:07分调度联系温州南站工务到位没有，车站汇报未到位。
　　20:14分，调度布置D3115次永嘉站开车，通知司机区间遇红灯后转目视模式20km/h运行。
　　20:20分，温州南站反映下行四接近红光带闪烁，与瓯海区间无红光带。
　　20:24分，D301次永嘉站开车。
　　20:26分，调度联系温州南站，车站反映D3115次已三接近，CTC系统区间红光带已消失。
　　20:31分，D3115次司机反映：车厢内旅客按紧急制动停车，接触网停电。
　　20:37分，调度布置温州南站联系D301次司机降弓。
　　20:39分，调度接温州南站报告：D3115次司机反映尾部车辆脱轨，有半截车厢吊在桥上。

转自：http://m.hoopchina.com/bbs/2519416.html
本文为转载，仅略作解释性添加，真实性请诸位自行定夺

不是说中国是很好 可是日本也有出过事
比如:

March 8, 2000 – Naka-Meguro train disaster, Japan: A Tokyo Subway train derails and is hit by another train on the next track; Five people die and 63 are injured.

October 23, 2004 – Nagaoka, Niigata: During the Chūetsu Earthquake eight of ten cars of the Toki No. 325 train on the Jōetsu Shinkansen derail. None of the 154 passengers are killed or injured.

April 25, 2005 – Amagasaki rail crash, Amagasaki, Hyogo, Japan: A train derails on sharp curve and smashes into an apartment building. 107 people die, 549 are injured. Investigation shows the driver was speeding because of a slight delay.

December 25, 2005 – Shonai, Yamagata, Japan: According to Japanese Railroad official and NTV report, all 6 cars of Akita–Niigata Inaho express train derail and three passenger cars are crushed, 5 people die and 32 are injured. Strong winter winds are thought to be the cause.

我说日本的新干线没出过事，没说日本的火车没出过事。

The accident is a testimony to the “硬着头皮干” attitude which is ingrained in the Chinese political culture. The signalling system, one of the only core components that are Chinese-developed was hastily put into use; when it failed on the 23rd of this month on the Ningbo - Wenzhou line the authority 硬着头皮 pushed for manual operation; even after the accident happened they still 硬着头皮 resumed operation after the most botched-up job you can call a rescue operation, well before the cause was identified and publicised. I'm afraid the public has every right to be very scetical about whether lessons have been learnt.

Whether or not they succeeded in any cover-up or media censorship, they certainly, certainly tried. Even when it was clear they'd never win against the alternative media the MOR was still spouting disgusting nonsense about dismantling the accident scene, and some papers published extremely nauseating stories about how the accident reflected the superiority of the Chinese political system. Credit to some of the local media which ignored the orders from the propaganda bereau and really questioned some aspects of the rescue operation.

Really, and you know all this because of ????? :ohno:

Really, and you know all this because of ????? :ohno:

Has the rescue operation not been hasty and botched?

Has the accident scene not been destroyed to 'ease rescue' or 'resume operation'?

Have you not seen the front pages of the likes of People's Daily?

It doesn't take a genius to work out.

Has the rescue operation not been hasty and botched? - whose judgement is that? yours![/I]
Has the accident scene not been destroyed to 'ease rescue' or 'resume operation'? - [I]Really again, what authority or factual information do you have to make this judgement?Have you not seen the front pages of the likes of People's Daily? - So the People's daily did not put it on the front page, and that implies censorhip and cover-up. What about all the TV stations and other newspapers that did so??It doesn't take a genius to work out. - I admit I am no genius but I learnt long time ago not to jump to any conclusion so quickly.



My point exactly - Really ??

Oh, so it's in my imagination that operation resumed under 24 hours after the MAJOR accident, and that a 4-year-old girl was found alive after rescue was officially announced finished? It must also be my imagination that the accident scene was not preserved until the causes were concretely established! It must also be normal that the most centrally commanded papers had front pages full of 'praise the party' stories, and I must be such a cynic to think that surely more attention needs to be directed at investigative reporting and asking questions of why the rescue was as botched as it was!

Forgot to say, videos and pictures have been mysteriously harmonised on sites like sina, and sohou.

Found this again

http://attach.51.ca/b/month_1107/1107261332bd24e7349f4201d2.jpg.thumb.jpg

Somebody please tell me this is not normal.

D3115次列车司机(前车)可以百分之百地说有重大责任，调度也难逃其责.

Oh, so it's in my imagination that operation resumed under 24 hours after the MAJOR accident, and that a 4-year-old girl was found alive after rescue was officially announced finished? It must also be my imagination that the accident scene was not preserved until the causes were concretely established! It must also be normal that the most centrally commanded papers had front pages full of 'praise the party' stories, and I must be such a cynic to think that surely more attention needs to be directed at investigative reporting and asking questions of why the rescue was as botched as it was!

No, not your imagination, just your preconceived notion and attitude !

Anyway the High Speed rail in China is a good thing.
The Modernization of China shouldn't stop.
Disasters happens all over the world.

The High Speed should improve its services, of course, because it's just the beginning of a process of modernization.

你一直问，他们何以如此的丧心病狂，他们却觉得自己已经非常的克制忍让。

展的代价。迅速处理尸体是我们的惯例，早签字多发奖金，晚签字少拿赔偿，这是我们的兄弟部门在强拆工作中被证明了行之有效的手段。掩埋车厢的确是当时一个糊涂做出的一个决定，况且是上头叫我们这么做的。因为上头觉得任何可能引发的麻烦都是可以就地掩埋的。错就错在大白天就开始施工，洞挖太大，而且没有和宣传部门沟通好，现场的摄影记者也没有全控制住，准备工作比较仓促。这次事故最大的教训就是以后在就地掩埋某些事物的时候还是要考虑到物体的体积和工作的保密。低估了。 他们认为，总体来说，这次的救援是成功的，及时的。调度合理，统筹规范，善后满意。唯一的遗憾是在舆论上有点失控，他们觉得这就不是我们的责任了，舆论不归我们管。 他们认为，从大的来说，我们举办了奥运会，我们取消了农业税，这些你们不赞美，老是抓住一些细枝末节的东西，这是什么居心。我们本可以在政治上比朝鲜更紧，在经济上比苏丹更穷，在治国上比红色高棉更狠，因为我们拥有比他们更多的军队，但是我们没有那么做，你们不感恩，却要我们谢罪，我们觉得很委屈。这个社会里，有产者，无产者，有权者，无权者，每个人都觉得自己很委屈。一个所有人都觉得委屈的国家，各个阶层都已经互相脱节了，这个庞大的国家各种组成的部分依靠惯性各顾
你一直问，他们何以如此的颠倒黑白，他们却觉得自己已经非常的公正坦率。

你一直问，他们何以如此的包庇凶手，他们却觉得自己已经非常的愧对炮友。

你一直问，他们何以如此的掩盖真相，他们却觉得自己已经非常的透明开放。

你一直问，他们何以如此的生活腐化，他们却觉得自己已经非常的艰苦朴素。

你一直问，他们何以如此的骄横傲慢，他们却觉得自己已经非常的姿态低下。



你觉得自己很委屈，他们也觉得自己很委屈，他们认为，在清政府的统治下，老百姓连电视机都看不上，现在电视机已经走进了千家万户，这是多大的进步。



他们觉得，我们建了这个，我们建了那个，你别管过程中发生了什么，也别管这是给谁献礼，至少你用到了吧。你以前从上海到北京火车要一天一夜，现在只要不被雷劈，五个小时就到了，你为何不感激，为何充满了质疑？



偶然发生一个安全事故，中央最高领导都已经表示了关心，我们还派人来回答你们记者的问题，原来赔17万，现在赔50万，甚至撤职了一个兄弟，事情都做到这份上了，你们为什么还抓着一些细节不放呢，你们的思想怎么反而就这样不开放呢？你们的大局观都去哪里了呢？为什么要我们谢罪呢，我们又没犯罪，这是发展的代价。迅速处理尸体是我们的惯例，早签字多发奖金，晚签字少拿赔偿，这是我们的兄弟部门在强拆工作中被证明了行之有效的手段。掩埋车厢的确是当时一个糊涂做出的一个决定，况且是上头叫我们这么做的。因为上头觉得任何可能引发的麻烦都是可以就地掩埋的。错就错在大白天就开始施工，洞挖太大，而且没有和宣传部门沟通好，现场的摄影记者也没有全控制住，准备工作比较仓促。这次事故最大的教训就是以后在就地掩埋某些事物的时候还是要考虑到物体的体积和工作的保密。低估了。



你一直问，他们何以如此的丧心病狂，他们却觉得自己已经非常的克制忍让。你一直问，他们何以如此的颠倒黑白，他们却觉得自己已经非常的公正坦率。你一直问，他们何以如此的包庇凶手，他们却觉得自己已经非常的愧对炮友。你一直问，他们何以如此的掩盖真相，他们却觉得自己已经非常的透明开放。你一直问，他们何以如此的生活腐化，他们却觉得自己已经非常的艰苦朴素。你一直问，他们何以如此的骄横傲慢，他们却觉得自己已经非常的姿态低下。 你觉得自己很委屈，他们也觉得自己很委屈，他们认为，在清政府的统治下，老百姓连电视机都看不上，现在电视机已经走进了千家万户，这是多大的进步。 他们觉得，我们建了这个，我们建了那个，你别管过程中发生了什么，也别管这是给谁献礼，至少你用到了吧。你以前从上海到北京火车要一天一夜，现在只要不被雷劈，五个小时就到了，你为何不感激，为何充满了质疑？ 偶然发生一个安全事故，中央最高领导都已经表示了关心，我们还派人来回答你们记者的问题，原来赔17万，现在赔50万，甚至撤职了一个兄弟，事情都做到这份上了，你们为什么还抓着一些细节不放呢，你们的思想怎么反而就这样不开放呢？你们的大局观都去哪里了呢？为什么要我们谢罪呢，我们又没犯罪，这是发
他们认为，总体来说，这次的救援是成功的，及时的。调度合理，统筹规范，善后满意。唯一的遗憾是在舆论上有点失控，他们觉得这就不是我们的责任了，舆论不归我们管。



他们认为，从大的来说，我们举办了奥运会，我们取消了农业税，这些你们不赞美，老是抓住一些细枝末节的东西，这是什么居心。我们本可以在政治上比朝鲜更紧，在经济上比苏丹更穷，在治国上比红色高棉更狠，因为我们拥有比他们更多的军队，但是我们没有那么做，你们不感恩，却要我们谢罪，我们觉得很委屈。这个社会里，有产者，无产者，有权者，无权者，每个人都觉得自己很委屈。一个所有人都觉得委屈的国家，各个阶层都已经互相脱节了，这个庞大的国家各种组成的部分依靠惯性各顾各的滑行着，如果再无改革，脱节事小，脱轨难救。



国家为什么不进步，是因为他们中的很多人一直在用毛泽东斯大林时代的他们来衡量自己，所以他们永远觉得自己太委屈了，太开明了，太公正了，太仁慈了，太低姿态了，太不容易了。他们将科技裹着时代向前走的步伐当成了自己主动开放的幻象，于是你越批评他，他越渴望极权，你越搞毛他，他越怀念毛。



各的滑行着，如果再无改革，脱节事小，脱轨难救。 国家为什么不进步，是因为他们中的很多人一直在用毛泽东斯大林时代的他们来衡量自己，所以他们永远觉得自己太委屈了，太开明了，太公正了，太仁慈了，太低姿态了，太不容易了。他们将科技裹着时代向前走的步伐当成了自己主动开放的幻象，于是你越批评他，他越渴望极权，你越搞毛他，他越怀念毛。 有一个国家机器朋友对我说，你们就是不知足，你这样的文人，要是搁在四十年前，你就被枪毙了，你说这个时代，是进步了还是退步了。 我说，你们就是不知足，你这样的观点，要是搁在九十年前，早就被人笑死了，你说这个时代，他到底是进步了还是。
有一个国家机器朋友对我说，你们就是不知足，你这样的文人，要是搁在四十年前，你就被枪毙了，你说这个时代，是进步了还是退步了。

我说，你们就是不知足，你这样的观点，要是搁在九十年前，早就被人笑死了，你说这个时代，他到底是进步了还是。

The reparation for the railway and the trains will once again boost our glorious GDP, hoooray!



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Forgot to say, videos and pictures have been mysteriously harmonised on sites like sina, and sohou.

Found this again

http://attach.51.ca/b/month_1107/1107261332bd24e7349f4201d2.jpg.thumb.jpg

Somebody please tell me this is not normal.

Cant see your image you should reup it to a western site like tinypic or imageshack.

过去了那么多天,仅明确了调查的重点，一是防雷设施，二才是信息系统.而且目前调查没有一点头绪。

No, not your imagination, just your preconceived notion and attitude !

How can I preconceive something that's already happened?

Cant see your image you should reup it to a western site like tinypic or imageshack.

Right-click, copy the address from the properties and paste it in the address bar. :)

新浪视频，被采访的是失去5个亲人的杨先生

http://you.video.sina.com.cn/api/sinawebApi/outplayrefer.php/vid=57356342_1789668687_a0i9GyM9DzOP+Eh0HTWxve0D+/cXuvDojG23vlSnIQxPE1XaapmeYdgB4y3UFqwbrz0xHcZkeP8wkkR5Zatf1josbwEVilM/s.swf

（下文是一位在日本的中国留学生对本次脱轨事故的一些思考。转载得到作者同意。）

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从高铁事故看“中国特色”发展模式的陷阱

作者：有明
发表时间：2011-07-24 18:05

首先让我们为这次事故中的牺牲者默哀！

作为一个业余铁路爱好者，一个曾经一度梦想成为一名铁路工程师、把新干线修到祖国大地上的留学生，看到报导中的惨烈场景不禁感到悲伤和痛心。

其实中国引进德日技术修建高铁，在短短几年内实现由绿皮车到高速动车组的“跨越式”发展，整个过程我都一直在高度关注。虽然身在异国他乡，但儿时的梦想却一直影响着我的求学道路，甚至今后的人生目标。2006年，我进入东京大学理科一类，这个科类的大部分学生2年后会进入工科院系。那个时候的我正踌躇满志地准备开始向铁路工程师这个目标迈进。而在此时，候京沪高铁计划已基本敲定，同时在我的家乡天津和北京之间，中国第一条投入运营的城际高速铁路已经开工了。从技术角度来讲，京津高铁项目有着比较试验的性质，具体讲就是比较德国的ICE和日本的东北新干线2套技术。在此前的谈判中吗，这两家已经通过大幅度的让步，挤掉了不肯转让核心技术的其他对手，最后他们都同意中方自行生产车辆和大部分配套设备。这个事件让我大为吃惊，也彻底改变了我个人的学习方向和就业取向。（关于我自己的故事，后面再找机会继续）

但凡了解日本产业界的人都知道，日本人在防止技术泄露这方面是特别谨慎的，尤其是对中国更是一直保持着高度警惕--从玩具、家电到摩托车、机动车，日本的高科技产品被我们“山寨”的历史已经很悠久了。那么这次日方为什么会做出如此大的让步，不惜血本也要转让这些核心技术呢？这里面有众所周知的原因，比如中国的高铁市场潜在商机巨大，如果在一开始就被淘汰的话这个机会损失他们是在无法承担；另一方面，也不能不“归功”于中国人民的“聪明才智”和5000年来造化得炉火纯青的政治手腕。中方利用德、日的竞争关系让他们自相威胁，从而不得不在水面下的一系列交涉中屡屡让步。中国人自认为做的很聪明，把谈判对手们都耍了一把，而实际上正式这种做法决定了中国高铁日后必定存在安全隐患！

为什么能这么肯定呢？主要理由有2点。第一，德日的技术都是在固有环境下通过独自的技术研发、长期的实践摸索、以及在不同条件和要求下的实际运营中积累起来得；两者虽然都是当今世界上最稳定最可靠的高铁系统，但许多核心技术都是基于完全不同的原理，有着本质上的不可兼容性。我们现在硬要“择其善者而从之”，这对高铁这种大规模系统工程而言本身就是一中最大的安全隐患。

第二，既然德日双方都不得不转让大部分技术，而且还要和对方的陌生技术拼凑到一起，他们当然无法也不需要在安全方面承担任何责任。事实上，后来中国对外宣传高铁技术是“自主知识产权”，甚至企图将廉价版化的技术向第三过输出，这些做法严格地说都是有侵权之嫌疑的。而德日对此都睁一只眼闭一只眼，其实不是他们不想主张自己的权利，而是“实在不敢掺和”。你想一想，本来是自己生的孩子，现在被聪明的中国人和另一个陌生人的孩子整成了“连体婴儿”，而且还要把它卖到第三个人家去。。你还敢对这个怪胎负任何责任吗，你甚至根本都不敢承认它有你一半血统！也就是说中国高铁这个怪胎，从呱呱落地的那一天起就患有先天疾病，而最了解它的亲生爹娘却永远不再会为它负责。

其实这里面的道理很简单，一个学生拜师学艺，本来应该抱着谦虚严谨的态度，特别是要尊重老师听老师的话。而我们却找来n个老师，让他们为了抢学费进行恶性竞争，再用政治手腕倒牵着老师的鼻子走。在这样一种不健康的师徒关系中，教学效果就可想而知了。结果是，我们把从2位老师那里敲诈来的技术拼凑一通，并且再一次发挥中国人民的“聪明才智”，竟然攒出了跑得比老师都快的“2不像”，这就是后来我们看到的CRH380。这种巧取豪夺、投机取巧、耍小聪明、好大喜功、自以为是的态度，正式我们整天引以为豪的“中国特色”的真谛。

从开发经济学的角度讲，后进国通过借鉴先进国家的经验，以更快的速度实现发展是合理的，也是一个客观规律。然而这是在合理的范围内，在保障了安全性和公平性的前提下。我们中国传统文化中，有一个核心价值观叫做“中庸”，在评价“中国特色”的发展模式时它其实是一个很重要的判断标准。今天的中国在经历了外敌入侵，殖民统治，文革，改革开放带来的急速的“现代化”之后，早已把传统文化连精髓带糟粕全都丢弃了，这是日本版改革开放=明治维新和我们的“中国特色”的本质区别之一。日本后来之所以能够成为亚洲唯一一个免于西方列强入侵，反而走向独立自主发展道路的国家，起根本原因之一就是他们在吸收先进技术和制度的同时一刻也没有忘记自己的文化传统与核心价值观。

回到高铁的话题之前，先继续一下我自己的故事。就在大2下学期分配专业的时候，我做出了求学道路上的一个最重大的决定：弃理从文。当时我的想法是很明确的，既然实现我多年梦想的关键不是技术本身，而是密室里的政治谈判，那么再学技术就没有意义了。于是我告别了至今还灰常热爱的自然科学，“穿越”到了叫做国际关系论的陌生学科。后来的事实证明我当时是在是太天真了，国际关系论跟高铁技术的输出不能说完全按没关系，但基本上对实现我的梦想没有任何直接帮助。虽然如此，我对中国高铁建设的关心依然如故，同时也通过日本这边的信息了解到不少关于中日之间技术转让的内幕。最重要的发现是，原来日本铁路技术的海外输出，主要是通过“综合商社”来推动的。

这里插播一下什么叫综合商社：它是日本独特的一种业态，比较贴切的中文翻译可以是“巨型综合贸易公司”；他们的主要业务是把海外的资源“运进来”，把日本的工业产品等“卖出去”，从而实现对从上流到下流的整个商路的掌控。国际上名声显赫的大商社有三菱商事、三井物产等5家，其中伊藤忠商事是战后最早和中国开展大规模贸易的日本公司。之所以冠以“综合”2字，是因为他们的触手几乎伸向所有商品，小到食品、日用品，大到飞机、石油开发，不管在世界哪个角落只要有“商机”的地方就能看到5大商社的影子。

那么商社和中国的高铁又有什么不为人知的关系呢？刚才提到的和中国关系密切的伊藤忠商事，其实就是日本高铁技术输出中国的“媒人”。日本的原国有铁路早在1988年就被分割成6个旅客铁路公司和1个覆盖全国的货运铁路公司，分别作为民营企业经营。而铁路车辆和相关产品、技术的供应商，绝大部分也都是独立的民营企业，各项核心技术都分散在这些大大小小的估分公司手里。也就是说，想把新干线技术作为一个完整的系统卖到海外，必须先有人出来坐庄，把零散的技术采购过来组成一个完整的package，再作为窗口将其卖给远在海外的客户。

具体到中国高铁引进的日本技术，这个“媒人”、“庄家”便是伊藤忠商事。不少朋友可能都知道国内高铁车辆的一大生产基地就是南车集团的青岛四方机车厂，它和庞巴迪以及川崎重工都有技术合作关系。最早的60列CRH2A型（也就是日本版车辆），是川崎重工和青岛四方共同接单生产的，而合资成立的“青岛四方川崎车辆技术有限公司”部分股份就是由伊藤忠商事出资。

了解了这些信息以后，我将商社这个以前从未考虑过的行业列入了求职list（在这之前，理科出身的我对商业丝毫不感兴趣，认为他们创造的价值远不如制造业）。2010年秋天，我有幸访问了伊藤忠与青岛四方项目的负责人本町社员，从他嘴里我第一次听到当事者讲述的高铁技术转让背后的故事。其中最触目惊心的细节是，中方技术人员对安全问题的“不屑一顾”，对此日方表示“难以置信”、“不禁替中国高铁的安全感到担忧”。本町说他代表伊藤忠，也就是间接代表整个日方阵营和中方“领导”谈判时，能感受到他们的好大喜功和对安全隐患这种消极因素“避而远之”的态度。前几天我再次享了有关中国高铁可能引发大范围地质灾害的文章，现在通过当事人的叙述我们发现不要说这种长期性的间接风险，就连直接关乎列车安全运行的非常具体的安全隐患，都被我们从一开始就忽视了！临别前本町告诉我他的目标是，在帮助中国人引进高铁技术的同时，更要让他们的安全意识也提升到日本技术人员的高度。只有这样，才能将日本的技术优势和中国的成本优势结合起来，将来向世界市场进军、让更多发展中国家享受到高速铁路带来的便利。只可惜这次的死亡事故，恐怕让他的这个梦想在有生之年都无法实现了。

其实作为一个业余铁路爱好者，我早就对中国引进高铁技术的方式感到疑问和担忧。前面我们提到过，中方是通过政治手腕“逼”德日就范，统一转让部分核心技术的。不管是日版车还是德国版，除了最初的几十列是合资生产以外，之后的列车基本上都转入由中国当地的厂商自行生产。这也是我们一直对外生称“自主知识产权”的主要根据。然而正如我反复强调的，高铁项目是大规模系统工程，高铁技术也绝不仅限于车辆、线路、信号等硬件设备，更包括了如何进行日常维护、发生以外时的如何应对、如何发现重大事的征兆故等常年积累起来的经验和教训。这些经验教训有些是有形的，有些则在每一名资深工作人员心中；有些是在长期不断的技术革新中总结出来的，而有些则是用鲜血和生命换来的。前者我们理论上能够学到却不屑去学，而后者我们根本不可能按照“中国特色”的指导细想那样“拿来”。

我对铁路的兴趣是小时候看绿皮车萌发起来的，而真正作为爱好去研究是来日本以后的事。因此我对国内铁路的了解可以说很有限，但是对包括新干线在内的日本铁路（包括它的技术、特色、发展史）还算得上略知一二。作为业余铁路爱好者，我不想对具体的技术问题多做评论，但我敢断定的是没有一个中方人员真正知道，日本新干线技术的安全性和可靠性是付出了多么巨大的代价才实现的。他们天真地以为在一夜之间，通过一些“伟大领袖”教给我们的整人、玩儿人地伎俩，就可以把这些宝贵的经验统统“拿来”，实现“跨越式发展”。懂日语的朋友可以在日文版的维基百科搜索“鉄道事故”，你会发现一个长长的明治时代以来的各种大小事故的完整记录，其中大多数重大事故不仅记载了事故的概况、死伤人数，还注明此次事故对安全措施产生了那些影响，促成了那些安全技术的开发和应用等等。新干线是世界上第一个成功投入运营的高速铁路系统，1960年代最先开通的东海岛新干线到今天为止没有发生过一起导致车内乘客死亡的重大事故。然而又有多少人知道，新干线的许多核心技术都是早在战前就开始着手研究的？又有多少人知道，很多安全技术都是吸取了之前发生在常规铁路上的无数悲惨事故的教训？

我曾经参观过几家日本铁路公司的检修工厂，也就是保障日常运行安全的核心部门。不管是资金力量雄厚的大公司，还是远郊地区的地方路线，这个部门里都一定有从小在这里工作的老师傅。他们对自己负责的路线，车辆的每一个细节都了如指掌，就如同养育了多年的孩子一样。听他们讲述工作经历，几乎每一个人都能给你讲出一个刻骨铭心的incident：当年如何预防了一场重大事故，差一点就会出现多么严重的后果。。我想说的是，这些轻易“拿”不走的东西，才是缔造新干线、ICE这些丰功伟业的坚实地基。我们那些好大喜功的领导们，在自作聪明地实践着“中国特色”的“跨越式发展”的时候，殊不知已经将无数中国人民送上了开往死亡的单程列车。

刚才说了由于本人才疏学浅，本文原则上不深入技术层面。但是在这里，为了未来中国高铁的安全，为了保护人民的生命财产安全，我谨以一名业余铁路爱好者的身份阐述一下观点：

1.这次发生的是同一方向上的列车追尾事故，问题出在列车运行保安的最基本环节。预防此类事故的技术和措施，早在铁路诞生初期就出现了。一直到今天，不管是高速铁路还是城市轨道交通，防止同一条线路上列车相撞都是信号、保安系统的最基本功能，也是任何一条铁路都必须通过 多重安全技术和措施给予保障的。

正因为如此，此次事故中保安系统的失灵很可能是由于多套技术多个系统时间的协调问题引起。这也是本文强调的安全隐患之2大根本原因之一。

2.造成中国高铁安全隐患的 另一个根本原因，是“人”的意识中对安全的轻视。这也是本文要揭露的，中国目前最严重的问题。对安全的轻视，对人命的不当回事儿，这绝不仅仅是高铁的问题，而是值得我们整个社会去反思的道德问题。这背后隐藏的是我们整个社会中充斥着的极端功利主义与极端投机主义，关于这个问题之后再予以总结。

在这里作为技术问题需要提出的是，高速铁路是大众交通工具，是关乎今后几十年甚至上百年的大工程。我从很早就担心中国高铁出现重大事故，但却没有预料到它发生得这么快。我最最担心的是，我们吸收了车辆以及线路的初期建设技术，却没有学会中长期的维护和安全保障。日本的新干线每隔数年1次全面检查，每隔10多年1次分解检修，这方面的技术和经验我们有吗？更重要的是，在比日本大得多的运输压力面前，我们的铁路工作者从意识上能严格遵守这些安全规定吗？？





有关技术方面的讨论到此为止，最后让我们再来总结一下高铁事故中暴露出的中国社会的本质问题。这个问题概括起来就是我从开头一直使用的比喻，带引号的“中国特色”。具体来说，就是上面讲的笼罩当今中国社会的全民性的“端功利主义”与“极端投机主义”。或者讲得再直白一些，就是今天的大多数中国人

太贪

太没耐心

太爱耍小聪明

高铁其实是一个很典型的例子，把这三点都反映得淋漓尽致：看人家有我们也想要=贪，然后又不想象人家那样一步一步地建设=没耐心，所以决定从人家那里“拿来”又总想占别人便宜=耍小聪明。结果如何，我们都已经目睹了。

不要以为就是一个小小的 高铁事故，跟你我毫无关系。它暴露出的问题其实是我们社会的通病，而病原体就是组成这个社会的每一个成员。“极端功利主义”和“极端投机主义”，反映在每一个“典型”的21世纪中国人身上。且不说别人，看看我们80后这个群体吧。多少男生一点努力都没付出就做梦一夜暴富，多少女生整天想着怎么嫁给houses & cars。为了达到目的，有爹妈能靠的就仗着权势胡作非为，有身体的便寡廉鲜耻地去出卖自己。最可恶的是还有一些人把出国当做实现他们功利目的的捷径，以至于把种种恶习带到国外来给中国人丢脸。。他们不知道这样的态度到了国外只会遭到最严重的鄙视！

中国人聪明，这是全世界公认的事实。而智慧如果没有正确的价值观和道德体系去引导，往往会比无知更可怕更有害。以前我们物质上贫穷，总觉得人家都因为这个看不起我们。现在一部分中国人有钱了，一出国就杀到各种家电量贩店啊，名牌专卖店啊把高价商品席卷一空，我们甚至连高铁都买得起了。可是怎么样呢，世界因为你更有钱就更尊重你了么?! 事实是我们在整天掉在钱眼儿里的同时，丧失了传统文化、道德规范、人文修养这些最能赢得别人尊重的东西。这叫什么呢，其实这叫本质上的平穷，穷到拥有不起这些人类社会公认的最有价值的财富。

所以中国人要想真正的富有起来，就必须先跳出“端功利主义”和“极端投机主义”这个“中国特色”的怪圈，走上精神文明与物质文明相辅相成、互相促进的发展道路。如果再继续朝错误的方向前进下去，整个社会在不久的将来必将面临一场经济、文化、道德的全面颠覆。 而这个时代的扳道工，就是我们80后这一代人。但愿我们每一个人都能拿出勇气和责任感，挡住即将出轨的车轮！

政府在事故后的做法比事故本身更可恨1000倍

来源：广州日报

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请原谅我无能为力

天上不是5位而是40位看着我，但是我真的无能为力了，请原谅我，如果我再坚持，我将失去我最后的第六个亲人。对不起大家，我自私了，我必须要为我死去的老婆做这件事情，因为上帝留了他，就是在给我机会去照顾他，我一定要做到，再次表示对你们的歉意。

　　——绍兴人杨峰在事故中失去了4位亲人——怀孕7个月的妻子、岳母、妻姐和外甥女，他的岳父也在事故中受伤正在治疗。昨晚，他发表微博回应社会关注，称“换了一种处理事情的方式，不会放弃真相。”



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　　今天上午9点，温州宣传部以书面文件的形式予以确认，新闻发言人表示，网上早签约有4到5万元奖励的说法是谣传。

据新华社公布的事故赔偿标准，每位遇难者家属获得的赔偿数额，依据国务院《铁路交通事故应急救援和调查处理条例》和《铁路旅客意外伤害强制保险条例》的规定，由事故赔偿金、一次性专项帮扶款以及爱心捐助款三部分构成，总计人民币50万元。

　　而此前盛传的赔偿标准是以17.2万元为基数再加上20万元保险理赔总共37.2万元，这个基数是固定不变的；另外还加上遇难者家属交通费、埋葬费、家属赡养费等共计不超过45万元；事发后，在短时间接受谈判并签协议的，可酌情予以数万元奖励。

　　根据温州当地媒体的报道，遇难者的赔偿谈判，由各个谈判工作组与每名遇难者家属一对一进行，按照“5+1”构成，“5”指的是5名地方[有关部门]工作人员，“1”是一名铁路部门的工作人员。实际上，“5”在整个过程中，主要作用是居中协调。

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高铁和事故(2011-07-27 00:50:29) 标签： 杂谈

最近因为温州出了一桩大事故，有幸看到了广东电视台的报道和新闻评论。
这个事故发生的时间，也有另一件大事情发生，就是挪威发生了枪击和爆炸案，震动了整个欧洲。而美国正好就是白宫和国会，关于国债封顶的斗争，到了拼刺刀的白热化阶段。

所以中国动车事故，没有成为热炒的头条。大概只有日本的新闻女主播高兴得捂着嘴巴笑，整个日本国民心态幸灾乐祸。咱们当然不能跟这样的人一般见识，只不过小心核辐射，不要乱买日本货就行了。

广东电视台的新闻评论，说是铁路事故，是体制问题，是政企不分问题，就差没有说，是私有化程度不高问题了。

铁路本身当然是有问题的。就算是没有这次的事故，大家已经对各类动车组过了保修期，而铁路自身的技术维修能力可不可顶上大梁，有保留意见。因此整个体系稍微慢下来一点，好好整顿一下，把各类隐患排除一下，是比较明智的选择。

当然刚刚铁道部高层换将，在整顿过程中，如果不是以技术和管理作为切入点，而变成各派人事斗争，站位选边，内斗加剧而导致军心涣散，引发小事故层出不穷，那么就走歪了路了。

铁路出车祸，不止一次了。生命的丧失固然可悲，但是要是以人血馒头为武器，把一个新生事物和新技术给彻底消灭，就是要大家防止出现的趋势。以高铁的竞争对手航空业为例，就是现在咱们还是时不时看到飞机跌下来，造成几百条生命的丧失，但是这个没有制止大家继续坐飞机。

对铁路也是一样，好好把事故原因查清楚，不要满足于处罚了什么人，而是要把程序、制度和运作提高上去，把技术安全摆到首位。这样才是真正的事故处理的路子。

因为我们也不是技术内行，所以不能像媒体的记者一样，自己出版技术分析报告。等一等专家的调查意见出来，在作定论。

至于铁道部本身，早就是大家看准的一个靶子。从铁路运营方面来看，因为新线路的建立，旧有的客运线路，里面的商机无穷，自然就会成为各派利益集团眼红的目标。可以预见，关于铁路部门如何糟糕的舆论会越演越热闹，要求瓜分掉铁道部的各条运行线路，尤其是利润丰厚的客运线路的经营权的呼声，会比较高涨。

政府在事故后的做法比事故本身更可恨1000倍

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The backup power system on the trains need to be improved.

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标签： 杂谈
现在网上有传言，说是日本或者美国的计算机病毒，侵袭了中国的高铁系统。大家听了笑一笑就行了。
想起以前看个一本书，叫做《动物农场》，说的是动物们反抗人类的压迫，自己组织了自己的动物农庄。大家为了让生活过的更好，就去建设磨坊。结果因为质量有问题，就在大风雨中倒塌了。于是领导说，这个是阶级敌人破坏。
这样的想法和说法，中国以前的历史里，也是常常有的。
但是不信这个传言，并不等于不应该提高警惕。正如美国曾经发生过一次电力系统的大停电事故，算是半个国家都受到了影响。这个事故是设备问题，但是立即引起了人们的关注：如果敌人要来搞破坏，这个岂不是软肋之一？
中国人也应该有这种居安思危的想法。害人之心不可有，防人之心不可为啊。
那么现在一些国家，比如说日本，在中国高铁安全上大做文章，也很正常。只有参照美国为了救亡三大汽车公司，从而使劲抽丰田的故事就行了。当时丰田出了一个故障，造成了几人死亡，于是美国大规模进行炒作，终于把三大汽车公司救出了火海。
至于会不会对中国高铁的出口造成影响，大家也不用担忧。自己把自己内部的事情做好，把自己的安全可靠性做到家，你当全世界人是瞎子啊？
这个世界有冥冥的上天。德国人就比较克制，没有乱讲话。毕竟德国自己的高铁也出过重大事故，还死了100多号人呢。日本人上次看到云南地震，还惋惜地说，咋不在北京上海发生大地震呢？话音未落，自己家里就来个地震、海啸，加核辐射了。做人还是要厚道点。
但是对铁道部那帮丫，就不能厚道。看着那个什么发言人出来讲话，那副嘴脸，不用听到胡说什么，就想一巴掌扇过去。
铁道部是应该好好整顿一下，好好反省一下，人命大于天。那怕是不幸遇难的受害者已经仙去，他们的遗体和遗物，都有最大限度的受到尊重。你出事的这条线路，又不是京广线，你晚两天恢复通车，多搜寻两天，会死啊？
该装孙子的时候，还学人打官腔，被愤怒的人们涂抹淹死你，活该。
有人问，为啥高铁和动车跑了几年，一直没有出事，而现在却是事故频频？
很简单，铁道部的这一套运行体制，有不合理的地方。以前刘跨越在的时候，这家伙是一个疯子，每次试车的时候，自己都要占车头，还要拉着手下的一帮高官，以身作则，都站在那里。如果一出事，大家就是一锅端。
于是这些手下人，就比较卖力，怎么也要保证自己的小命安全吧？而且还是老实验超高速，就是说你跑它个400，也可以顶得住，那么跑300，就要放心多了。
一种说法是，老刘给干下来之前，京沪线的枣庄到蚌埠是他亲自折腾的，所以现在京沪出毛病的地方，都是这个区域之外。
现在的铁道部是新官上任，老刘那套拼命三郎的法子是不搞了，可是其他的法子似乎还没有出来。所以铁路的问题，似乎有点总爆发的味道。正好也给私有化们，航空业们，波音公司们，振奋一下士气。
本来出点故障是小事，铁路晚点一下，也不是什么大事。大家谁都经过飞机和汽车晚点的。可是晚点的车，居然撞到了另一个晚点的车，还死了人，那就是大事了。
天大地大，不如人命最大。如果不记住这句话，那么你铁道部就没有一天好日子过

各大门户网站有关动车事故的一条也没有了，想来是媒体被彻底封口了

各大门户网站有关动车事故的一条也没有了，想来是媒体被彻底封口了

中国的媒体是自由的，公正的。至于你信不信，我反正信了。

大多数的媒体见到一点点所谓事实就胡乱猜测，还没有开始调查就拼命作出不实的报道误导群众！

这些媒体不看也吧，需要清醒的是群众。

转发围脖 ahaha

http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/6927e7a5tw1djl7l9sl2gj.jpg

:lol::lol::lol:

I just wanna tell you something.
I see that many western media, as usual, are trying to use this event against the Chinese Development.
The responsible should be punished of course.
Anyway i wonder why these media don't think about many these facts.


JAPANESE MEDIA (western allies): censorship of the Japanese Government and TEPCO.
Ban on news about the FUKUSHIMA nuclear disaster.
RADIATION and over 20.000 people dead.
People of Fukushima think they are neglected by the government, with no compensation at all.
No excuses for the victims.


US MEDIA: censorship and ban on the news about the hundred thousands of civilians KILLED and Iraq and Afghanistan just for OIL. Using White phosphorus.
Where are the Weapons of Mass Destructions of Saddam? (LIES)


No excuses for the victims.



At Least 9 Dead After D.C. Metro Trains Crash

June 22: District of Columbia Fire and Emergency workers at the site of a rush-hour collision between two Metro transit trains in Washington, D.C.
June 22: District of Columbia Fire and Emergency workers at the site of a rush-hour collision between two Metro transit trains in Washington, D.C.

WASHINGTON — One Metro transit train smashed into the rear of another at the height of the capital city's Monday evening rush hour, killing at least nine people and injuring scores of others as the front end of the trailing train jackknifed violently into the air and fell atop the first.


No excuses of the victims.

中国的媒体是自由的，公正的。至于你信不信，我反正信了。

中国几千年来一直太讲究面子，不愿说事实。众所周知谁相信go-vern-ment谁就是s13。我们不改变这个习惯我们发展不了的。

中国几千年来一直太讲究面子，不愿说事实。
。

中国文化的一个大问题就是把追求和气的价值摆在追求真实的价值之上。求和重于求真。孔夫子说，和为贵。 没听他说过，真为贵。当真相大白时，有时反而和不了。

I just wanna tell you something.
I see that many western media, as usual, are trying to use this event against the Chinese Development.
The responsible should be punished of course.
Anyway i wonder why these media don't think about many these facts.
That's because media by default is biased because it's run by people with agendas.

中国文化的一个大问题就是把追求真实的价值摆在追求和气的价值之上。求和重于求真。孔夫子说，和为贵。 没听他说过，真为贵。当真相大白时，有时反而和不了。

+1

I just wanna tell you something.
I see that many western media, as usual, are trying to use this event against the Chinese Development.
The responsible should be punished of course.
Anyway i wonder why these media don't think about many these facts.


JAPANESE MEDIA (western allies): censorship of the Japanese Government and TEPCO.
Ban on news about the FUKUSHIMA nuclear disaster.
RADIATION and over 20.000 people dead.
People of Fukushima think they are neglected by the government, with no compensation at all.
No excuses for the victims.


US MEDIA: censorship and ban on the news about the hundred thousands of civilians KILLED and Iraq and Afghanistan just for OIL. Using White phosphorus.
Where are the Weapons of Mass Destructions of Saddam? (LIES)


No excuses for the victims.



At Least 9 Dead After D.C. Metro Trains Crash

June 22: District of Columbia Fire and Emergency workers at the site of a rush-hour collision between two Metro transit trains in Washington, D.C.
June 22: District of Columbia Fire and Emergency workers at the site of a rush-hour collision between two Metro transit trains in Washington, D.C.

WASHINGTON — One Metro transit train smashed into the rear of another at the height of the capital city's Monday evening rush hour, killing at least nine people and injuring scores of others as the front end of the trailing train jackknifed violently into the air and fell atop the first.


No excuses of the victims.

I am chinese and I think this is bullshit. Please don't blame the others to make fun of you when you don't respect yourself. If the MoR did really care about people's life, if they showed some respect to the dead, if they did not try to ban the news on almost all the portal websites and news papers since 29th, July, then we will not be so angry. We understand that bad things can happen (like in India and Germany), but it is truely the way they government deals with it hurts people. They take the public as idiots.

Sure after this accident China will have big difficulty to export CRH to other countries, and Japan/Germany will get more chance. But this has nothing to do with the complain of the chinese people. In fact, trying to cover this thing on media will only make CRH more suspicious.

Finally, we never say the Americans or the Japanese media is perfect. No, they are not. But that is NOT the reason to ask us to stop bashing the chinese media. You admitted it or not, we in china have the strongest censorship in the world. Please don't compare to North Korea.....it's a shame

中国文化的一个大问题就是把追求真实的价值摆在追求和气的价值之上。求和重于求真。孔夫子说，和为贵。 没听他说过，真为贵。当真相大白时，有时反而和不了。

其实文化没有问题，台湾、香港、甚至韩国、新加坡也深受儒家影响，同样追求和气一团。

真正有问题，是这个制度。独裁政府都好大喜功、都喜欢掩盖事情的真相。苏联、纳粹德国，都是这样。

"We understand that bad things can happen (like in India and Germany), but it is truely the way they government deals with it hurts people. They take the public as idiots"

This is BULLSHIT.

1) In JAPAN about 20.000 PEOPLE died, and many, many other will die by cancer for years to come with the Fukushima region full of RADIACTIVITY.
LIES of the Japanese government and TEPCO.
And the Japanese people neglected by the Governemnt.



2) The US default, the destruction of the world economy with Toxic Assets and the Millions of people killed in Iraq and Afghanistan just for OIL, using WHITE PHOSPHORUS on Civilians ("Worse than Hiroshima and Nagasaki").

No excuses. No compensation. Just Lies.
These are the biggest WORLD SHAME.



China, India, brazil should improve, of course.
But true crimes are another thing.

Now the Japanese government has moved to crack down on independent reportage and criticism of the government's policies in the wake of the disaster by deciding what citizens may or may not talk about in public. A new project team has been created by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communication, the National Police Agency, and METI to combat "rumors" deemed harmful to Japanese security in the wake of the Fukushima disaster.

The government charges that the damage caused by earthquakes and by the nuclear accident are being magnified by irresponsible rumors, and the government must take action for the sake of the public good. The project team has begun to send "letters of request" to such organizations as telephone companies, internet providers, cable television stations, and others, demanding that they "take adequate measures based on the guidelines in response to illegal information. "The measures include erasing any information from internet sites that the authorities deem harmful to public order and morality.

Japan Officially Orders Censorship of Truth About Fukushima Nuclear Radiation Disaster

By Alexander Higgins

The government of Japan has issued an official order to telecommunications companies and web masters to censor reports which contradict the state media reports that the Fukushima nuclear radiation disaster is over.

The supposedly free democratic nation of Japan, which supposedly values and promotes freedom of speech, has officially issued orders to telecommunication companies and webmasters to remove content from websites that counter the official government position that the disaster is over and there is no more threat from the radiation.

Note: I saw the executive order issued by Japan a week or two ago but could not find it in an English version anywhere but didn’t report on it because the Japanese to English translated versions of the order did not provide clear enough meaning. What I gathered from the order was that Japan ordered telecommunication companies to provide notices to websites and webmasters to remove messages from internet bulletin boards and websites that conflicted with the Government reported version of events. If the websites and webmasters did not comply the telecommunication companies are to shut down offending websites as this is considered a national security issue which is affecting public safety and contributing to public unrest. It was also ordered that email communications be monitored to prevent the spread of false rumors.

As previously reported GMAIL reported that their email system has in fact been affected by government sponsored hacking. As far as the so-called rumors that the censorship intends to suppress many of the rumors simply are not rumors but the truth. For example, Japan says it is trying to suppress rumors of radioactive cars while countries are in fact reporting receiving radioactive cars imported from Japan. Japan is trying to suppress false rumors of radioactive fish but in fact radioactive fish are being caught and Japan and the US are saying the fish are safe to eat while being 2400% above Federal radiation limits for food. The list goes on and on.

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/japan-officially-orders-censorship-of-truth-about-fukushima-nuclear-radiation-disaster/

Not saying there's no evidence of what you've posted, but surely such actions do not justify the way the HSR accident was dealt with?

Not saying there's no evidence of what you've posted, but surely such actions do not justify the way the HSR accident was dealt with?


No evidence?
Are you kidding man?
Everybody knows it.
Especially western Journalist that work in Japan.

The worst thing is the denial of any compensation to the victims of the radiation.

Fukushima parents dish the dirt in protest over radiation levels
Furious Fukushima parents dump school playground earth that may have radiation levels well above the old safety level


and more:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/parents-revolt-radiation-levels


Dear NCT, where are the Weapons of Mass destruction of Saddam (the evidence)???

No evidence?
Are you kidding man?
Everybody knows it.
Especially western Journalist that work in Japan.

The worst thing is the denial of any compensation to the victims of the radiation.

Not saying there is no evidence... :|

Not saying there is no evidence... :|


Sorry, i didn't realize..

Anyway Chinese People are nice. Great civilization.



I support EUROPE, but also the BRIC countries.

I don't understand the logic here:

Japanese government is bad, and U.S. government is also bad, so we should not complain if the chinese government is bad?

oh, I have already written this down in my previous post :
"Finally, we never say the Americans or the Japanese media is perfect. No, they are not. But that is NOT the reason to ask us to stop bashing the chinese media."

When we talk about China affairs, some people will always find a worst case on this planet to justify the dirty facts inside the Chinese government. Please also look at the good examples, and try to be open to it. Otherwise, you always find bad things acceptable and nothing gets improved.

I don't understand the logic here:

Japanese government is bad, and U.S. government is also bad, so we should not complain if the chinese government is bad?

oh, I have already written this down in my previous post :
"Finally, we never say the Americans or the Japanese media is perfect. No, they are not. But that is NOT the reason to ask us to stop bashing the chinese media."

When we talk about China affairs, some people will always find a worst case on this planet to justify the dirty facts inside the Chinese government. Please also look at the good examples, and try to be open to it. Otherwise, you always find bad things acceptable and nothing gets improved.

You lost me. What are you trying to say here ????

ZT

动车追尾，香港揭露的真相，大家速度看了，保证不出1日就被和谐了！！

http://you.video.sina.com.cn/api/sinawebApi/outplayrefer.php/vid=57722882_1781231515_OhmyRiE/DGeP+Eh0HTWxve0D+/cXuvDojG2zuVCsLQxPE1XaapmeZd8F6CHUFqwbrz0xHcZkeP8wkkR5Zatf1jIoaggWg1E/s.swf

I don't understand the logic here:

Japanese government is bad, and U.S. government is also bad, so we should not complain if the chinese government is bad?

oh, I have already written this down in my previous post :
"Finally, we never say the Americans or the Japanese media is perfect. No, they are not. But that is NOT the reason to ask us to stop bashing the chinese media."

When we talk about China affairs, some people will always find a worst case on this planet to justify the dirty facts inside the Chinese government. Please also look at the good examples, and try to be open to it. Otherwise, you always find bad things acceptable and nothing gets improved.

I don't know, but this is the logic what I understand:

Japan government is the good guy, US government is the good guy. And China always as the bad guy.

China fisherman ship enter other country territory means China is the EVIL. Foreign fisherman ship enter China territory means China is the EVIL again.

And many other examples.

ZT

动车追尾，香港揭露的真相，大家速度看了，保证不出1日就被和谐了！！

http://you.video.sina.com.cn/api/sinawebApi/outplayrefer.php/vid=57722882_1781231515_OhmyRiE/DGeP+Eh0HTWxve0D+/cXuvDojG2zuVCsLQxPE1XaapmeZd8F6CHUFqwbrz0xHcZkeP8wkkR5Zatf1jIoaggWg1E/s.swf
very detailed. the train animation and explanations are good.

Thanks for sharing.

I don't know, but this is the logic what I understand:

Japan government is the good guy, US government is the good guy. And China always as the bad guy.

China fisherman ship enter other country territory means China is the EVIL. Foreign fisherman ship enter China territory means China is the EVIL again.

And many other examples.

There is nothing to do with the other governments. It's our own problem in China. Yes, India also has corruption, but it does not justify the corruption in China.

What I hate the most is how "中宣部" tries to turn such a devastating tragedy into another "大爱赞歌"。It forces dozens of newspapers to remove the related reports, and it censors all the websites.

Once again, I support high speed train and I know that the other countries are not perfect. Once again, this does NOT justify the ugly reaction of the government after this accident.

^^ +1.

very detailed. the train animation and explanations are good.

Thanks for sharing.

It's been harmonized, kudos to the GFW :lol:

Google [HDzone]新闻透视-出轨-2011-7-30.rmvb.torrent then return with the same news report anyway.

中国几千年来一直太讲究面子，不愿说事实。众所周知谁相信go-vern-ment谁就是s13。我们不改变这个习惯我们发展不了的。


有些人是真SB，有些人是装SB，不全是SB，反正看起来都很SB

It's been harmonized, kudos to the GFW :lol:

Google [HDzone]新闻透视-出轨-2011-7-30.rmvb.torrent then return with the same news report anyway.

WTF :bash:

高铁刚开通我就去赶了一趟热闹,坐了一趟从青岛到北京的高铁,结果在沧州站停了三十分钟,这么差的质量和赶进度搞献礼工程有关.还有在青岛跨海大桥即将开通的前天晚上,我刚好从大桥边经过,发现大桥有一处栏杆还未装好,心里就想未修好的桥怎可以行开通典礼呢?结果电视台的记者也发现了,做了现场报道,献礼成了献丑了.

^^ 关键是上层吃这一套。这种只讲和气、不讲科学的态度真是社会甚至文化的悲哀。

象青岛胶州湾桥这样大的工程也没有严格的验收程序，只凭领导的政治意图在没有完工的情况下就举行隆重的开通典礼，为的是搞七一献礼这在西方国家是无法想象的，但在中国却是司空见惯了。真是贝具。

The map of the chinese high speed railway on Wikipedia should be revised, with a red line, indicating the high speed rail, between Beijing and Shanghai:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:China_Railway_High-Speed_.png

Is there someone that can update it?

Thanks

There is nothing to do with the other governments. It's our own problem in China. Yes, India also has corruption, but it does not justify the corruption in China.

What I hate the most is how "中宣部" tries to turn such a devastating tragedy into another "大爱赞歌"。It forces dozens of newspapers to remove the related reports, and it censors all the websites.

Once again, I support high speed train and I know that the other countries are not perfect. Once again, this does NOT justify the ugly reaction of the government after this accident.

You have the point. I'm angered too with this incident. How can China get this incident while other countries didn't?

I heard Chinese government planning to halt the construction of high speed railway, and reduce the speed. Like 250 kmph to 200 kmph. So, does it mean there will be no 350 kmph trains anymore in China? Is this will last forever? How long?

This is very very sad news, I do want to see 450 kmph of train like Shanghai Maglev.

I think it's a good thing, anyway.

The project of high speed rail in China have to go on, of course.
Beacause it's important for the development of the country.
But slowing the opening of the new high speed rail lines will allow more checks (safety) and, at the same time, avoid the risk of overheating of the economy.

300 km/h is the same velocity of our high speed rail here in Europe.
So i don't think it's bad.
And this will also allow more people to use the HSR,
reducing the price of tickets.

You have the point. I'm angered too with this incident. How can China get this incident while other countries didn't?

I heard Chinese government planning to halt the construction of high speed railway, and reduce the speed. Like 250 kmph to 200 kmph. So, does it mean there will be no 350 kmph trains anymore in China? Is this will last forever? How long?

This is very very sad news, I do want to see 450 kmph of train like Shanghai Maglev.

I am expecting to see 350km/h again in 2 years.

I dont think they will not build 350km/h again, they will build them but will run them at 300 speed. Similar to Foxmudler, I think they will raise it again to 350 in few years.

Bullet services to 'stay slow' during checks
Updated: 2011-09-21 07:04
By Wei Tian (China Daily)

BEIJING - China's bullet trains will continue to go at reduced speeds for some time to allow for further technical inspections, one of the experts investigating the cause of the deadly Wenzhou crash said on Tuesday.

China put a go-slow order on high-speed rail services and called for thorough checks on all lines on Aug 16, a move made in response to the fatal accident that claimed 40 lives on July 23.

Although the rate of incidents has fallen sharply since then, Tang Tao, a professor of automation at Beijing Jiaotong University and a member of the crash probe panel, said it is still too early to consider increasing the speed.

"Safety is related to speed, though it's not totally determined by it," he said during a forum in Beijing. "Any technical examination requires an observation period, thus we should let the system cool down before taking further action."

Tang refused to give any details about the investigation report, which was expected in mid-September. However, he said that a lot of accidents in China can come down to "unreasonable project schedules" and could be avoided if more time was allowed for testing.

"I've also learned from the investigation of the (Wenzhou) accident that many workers were actually working 24-7 (to meet deadlines), and multitasking can cause a series of problems," he said.

"We should focus more on the quality of the project, not the launch date," he said, before calling for authorities to re-evaluate the schedules of many projects.

Tang explained that the talent shortage is another challenge constraining the development of bullet trains.

"The average age of technicians on high-speed rail projects is under 40," he said. "They are not given enough time to grow before being assigned major tasks."

Although the professor insisted that railway signal technology in China is world class, he admitted it will still take time for it to be accepted by overseas customers, possibly even longer now because of the Wenzhou tragedy. A failure in signal equipment was one of the suggested causes of the crash after early investigations.

China Daily
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-09/21/content_13744977.htm

Yes!

The slow down will not last forever.

Sorry, i didn't realize..

Anyway Chinese People are nice. Great civilization.



I support EUROPE, but also the BRIC countries.

Nahh, even BRIC are of different levels...

China and India, for example, are technological advanced while Brazil is still commodity exporting country...

Hi all,

I will go to Shanghai on next week

I want to know,

Hangzhou Station to Shanghai high speed railway station fare 156 yuan for the first-class seat, second seat 98 yuan, the fastest took 70 minutes.
(Train number timetable) = D or G ??


Hangzhou high-speed rail fare for a first-class seat 131 yuan, 82 yuan fare second-class seat, took the fastest 45 minutes, the slowest 61 minutes.
(Train number timetable) = D or G ??

Thanks

China's high-speed rail to surpass 10,000 km

Updated: 2012-02-16 10:59

(chinadaily.com.cn)

China will construct 6,366 kilometers of new railways in 2012, including 3,500 kilometers of high-speed lines, People's Daily reported on Thursday.

The year 2012 will be a historic year in China's railway history with the highest number of new lines scheduled to be constructed. Meanwhile, high-speed railway lines will surpass 10,000 kilometers.

Once the new high-speed line is put into service, the travel time from Beijing to Shenzhen in South China's Guandong province will be reduced to eight hours from the current fastest time of 23 hours.

Confronted with such a massive construction project, the railway ministry expressed its determination to guarantee the construction quality, saying they will solve any hidden quality issues before operation.

The railway ministry has also launched an overhaul over all projects under construction started since 2003.

source (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-02/16/content_14623251.htm)

Guy's got a question regarding purchase of train tickets...Can I purchase Shanghai to Xiamen (D train) and Xiamen to Guangzhou (K train) tickets at Guanghzhou station.

What are the plans for integrating the Beijing CRH stations? The Tianjin and Shanghai lines have a terminus at Beijing South. But according to Wikipedia the Shijiazhuang-Guangdong line will end in Beijing West, and the Shenyang-Harbin/Dalian in Beijing East. About the time the Shijiazhuang line is done it would be possible to connect Beijing West and Beijing South by transfer to the 9 and then 4 metro line, or in the future the slightly less insane 7 and 4 lines (or the traveler could brave the Beijing surface traffic waiting for a bus or taxi).

If Beijing East really is going to be the terminus for Shenyang, I hope it wouldn't be the current Beijing East. That station isn't connected to the metro grid at all, and is not going to be (it is south of line 1/Batong, north of line 7, and west of line 14).

Unless there is a missing piece somewhere (or shock! horror! Wikipedia is wrong), a Shijiazhuang-Shenyang traveler would spend most of his travel time trying to get from one Beijing station to another. Anyone will fill me in?

^^ as far as I know, Beijing East is a very small staton which is not accomodating any major HSRs and has been forgotten by most people.

Shijiazhuang-Beijing stops at Beijing West. Shenyang-Beijing HSR (indluding the U/C 350km/h direct link) stops at Beijing Station. An underground link are being constructed to connect Beijing West and Beijing station.

Wikipedia must be mistaken Beijing Station with Beijing East.

Hangzhou-Ningbo HSR to test run in August and open by the end of the year

http://www.xsnet.cn/images/news/hz/2012/2/21/D4924DD942C14E74AB280453DFF7A2C3.jpg

The track laying has been completed on Ningbo side. Test run is scheduled in August.

Length: 149.8km
Speed: 350km/h
Travel time: half hour
7 stations

source (http://www.xsnet.cn/news/hz/2012_2/1507153.shtml)

Suzhou HSR new city project

Commencement: Jan 11 2012, to build a new city around the new high-speed railway station
Location: around new Suzhou North Railway Station (on Beijing-Shanghai HSR)
Long term planning area: 28.52 square kms
Start-up area: 4.7 square kms

Currently U/C project:

Long distance bus station (finished)
Subway Line 2 terminus
Bus/taxi parking, station front plaza/greenery
7 new roads (6.8km, 70% completed)
A 5-star hotel south of rail station (T/O)
Office buildings: Taikai, Gaorong, Jiangnan (below pics)

Taikai Building
http://pic.house365.com/newcms/2012/02/21/13297839174f42e46dc3be4.jpg

Gaorong Building
http://pic.house365.com/newcms/2012/02/21/13297839184f42e46e15daf.jpg

Jiangnan Building
http://pic.house365.com/newcms/2012/02/21/13297839184f42e46e56996.jpg

source (http://news.house365.com/gbk/szestate/system/2012/02/21/020312354.html)

^^ as far as I know, Beijing East is a very small staton which is not accomodating any major HSRs and has been forgotten by most people.

Shijiazhuang-Beijing stops at Beijing West. Shenyang-Beijing HSR (indluding the U/C 350km/h direct link) stops at Beijing Station. An underground link are being constructed to connect Beijing West and Beijing station.

Wikipedia must be mistaken Beijing Station with Beijing East.That makes sense (the Beijing East line sits on a lot of valuable real estate btw, right next to the CBD and underused, and separating the CBD from the southern neighbourhoods). I guess the tunnel is what they are digging at Chongwenmen at the moment, but I have seen no viaduct for HSR going north-east from Beijing station yet. The only municipal transport from Beijing Station are some buses and already-full metro line 2, with no new metro lines planned. That could become an issue if traffic will increase.

So Beijing West and Shijiazhuang will be connected with Beijing Station and Shenyang through a tunnel. Will either one connect to Beijing South? Getting to Beijing South from Beijing Station is somewhat more convenient than from Beijing West, but not by a lot.

China ups bullet train brake test record

Updated: 2012-03-11 19:43

(Xinhua)

BEIJING - China has completed the construction of a powerful test bench for a train braking system, setting a world record by allowing a maximum test speed of up to 530 kilometers per hour, a railway researcher said Sunday.

Li Heping, a political adviser and researcher with the China Academy of Railway Sciences (CARS), said that as a key technology for high-speed trains, the test bench has been put into operation at a state key laboratory for the high-speed railway system at CARS.

The test bench can simulate the high-speed train braking process in different conditions like dry or humid environments, as well as airstream, low temperature and snowfall, Li told Xinhua on the sidelines of China's annual legislative session.

The CARS-developed high-speed train brake disc and brake lining have both passed tests at the new bench under maximum-speed conditions, said Li.

source (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-03/11/content_14808399.htm)

Audit shows fraud on high-speed rail project

Updated: 2012-03-20 10:05

By Xin Dingding (China Daily)



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A bullet train snakes its way along the Beijing-Shanghai High-Speed Railway. [Photo / Xinhua]


A report released by the National Audit Office on Monday showed more evidence of fraud, waste, mismanagement and irregular procurement totaling billions of yuan connected to the Beijing-Shanghai High-Speed Railway.

The report marked the end of a three-year audit aiming to regulate the major railway project's management and use of funds.

Most of the problems pinpointed have been corrected, said a senior audit official, adding that the railway sector will remain its focus in the future.

The third audit report into the rail link that opened in June last year found that irregularities started from the bidding process on the project as early as December 2007, five months before construction began.

Auditors found the Ministry of Railways shortened the period for bidders to get preliminary review application documents to 13 hours from the standard five days, and cut the period for bidders to submit applications to less than 24 hours from the standard seven days.

Purchases that were not made through standard bidding involved 849 million yuan ($134 million). In one case, the project's chief constructor, Beijing-Shanghai High-Speed Railway Co, was found to have bought at least 77.86 million yuan worth of materials from non-bidding suppliers since October 2009, part of which were bought at higher prices than those quoted by winning bidders.

The company also purchased 698 million yuan worth of materials in August 2009 from as many as 10 bidding suppliers, instead of following bidding principles to find the most economic combination of suppliers.

"The Ministry of Railways noted that it will strictly follow rules in future bidding for construction and material purchase, and it has issued two regulations to perfect its bidding system," the audit report said.

By the end of June, at least 196.3 billion yuan - compared with an estimated budget of 163.8 billion yuan - has been spent on land expropriation and construction for the mammoth 1,318-km rail project, the report said.

The total investment for the railway was earlier estimated at 217.6 billion yuan, which also included an estimated 53.8 billion yuan for the purchase of trains and loan interest during construction.

The auditors found that 413 million yuan spent on train windshields was wasted after the line's operation speed was lowered and design specifications were changed, the report said.

The ministry has responded to the auditors by saying that the windshields would be used in other railway projects.

The auditors had also found evidence of wrongdoing by local governments.

Jiangning Economic Development Zone in Nanjing was found to have applied for land compensation worth 140 million yuan from the railway using false documents, receiving 40 million yuan in payments by the end of June.

Beichen district government in Tianjin had 340 million yuan in its own accounts instead of using it to promptly pay compensation for land expropriated for the railway.

The report said local governments are investigating the cases.

The Beijing-Shanghai High-Speed Railway has also struggled to pay suppliers and contractors. By the end of May, the railway had 8.25 billion yuan in debts owed to 656 suppliers and 1,471 contractors.

Previous reports were published in 2010 and 2011 by the top auditor.

Xu Aisheng, chief of the fixed assets investment audit department at the National Audit Office, said that all three auditing reports have found problems including mismanagement, fraud and irregular procurement.

"Thanks to effective measures taken by the Ministry of Railways and local governments, the problems found in the past three years have mostly been settled," he said.

"As railway projects involve huge amounts of investment, the National Audit Office will continue its focus on the railway sector," he said.

The report has again raised concerns in cyberspace, as netizens urged punishment for those found responsible.

"It's no use to just point out the problems," said a netizen named "Qian'anshi" on a micro blog.

Li Chengyan, a professor in the School of Government at Peking University, said that auditing is the first step for anti-corruption moves.

"When problems in cash flow or management are uncovered, discipline departments will step in to conduct further investigations," he said.

With the rollout of the country's high-speed rail network, the crackdown on corruption in the sector led to investigations of more than 10 railway officials last year.

The list includes Liu Zhijun, former railway minister, who was removed from his post in early 2011 for "serious disciplinary violations".

xindingding@chinadaily.com.cn

High-speed trains set the pace on simulator

Updated: 2012-03-27 07:13

By Xin Dingding (China Daily)

Procedure to test brake system leads global rivals, experts say

High-speed trains may be running slower on the tracks, but the fast pace of research and development in China's laboratories has continued unabated.

The latest advancement, experts say, is a simulation facility that can test the durability of a brake system on a train traveling 530 kilometers an hour.

"The speed is the fastest in the world, higher than a similar test procedure in Germany that allowed a maximum speed of around 400 km an hour," Li Heping, a researcher with the China Academy of Railway Sciences, said.

Though the top bracket of China's high-speed trains was lowered for safety concerns to 300 kph, research focusing on increasing speed continues in order to gain a technological advance, researchers said.

Li expects that a domestic procedure to test braking systems at high speed could help Chinese and foreign manufacturers with production.

The procedure, or test bench that provides a simulated experience, was put into operation last month. It set a world record by allowing a maximum test speed of up to 530 kph.

Braking is obviously a key technology for high-speed trains. The test bench up to now for a braking system in China could only simulate conditions of 300 kph.

Domestic train manufacturers had to travel to other countries to test braking on their 380-kph trains, he said.

Officials from the International Union of Railways (UIC), an organization that promotes rail travel and looks at the challenges facing it, are expected to see the facility in May, Li said.

"If our test bench gets authentication from the UIC, manufacturers can use it for experiments and the results will be recognized worldwide," he said.

Located at an academy laboratory, the test bench can simulate various conditions, from extremely dry to raging storms.

China's largest train maker, CSR Corp Ltd, was reported in December to have launched a test train that can reach speeds of up to 500 km an hour.

However, Huang Qiang, academy chief researcher, said that this does not imply that China will develop faster models than the current 380 kph trains now.

"A number of factors determine train speed but research can continue so that we are prepared should the need arise," he said.

Though there's no immediate demand for faster trains, engineers are working on new high-speed models, including one that can withstand temperatures of -40 C which is expected to be put into service this year.

The Harbin-Dalian high-speed railway, which links three provinces in Northeast China, will travel in temperatures below -25 C.

Temperatures below this mark can play havoc with train transport.

For the new model, special steel must be used to prevent cracks, doors must be redesigned to avoid being frozen and stuck, and the train's ventilation and air-conditioning system will have to function without draining power.

Researchers are also looking at how to utilize high-speed trains for cargo as they will be able to transport perishable items just as planes do, he said.

China's high-speed railway network is expected to pass 10,000 km by the end of this year, the Ministry of Railways said in February.

source (http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-03/27/content_14918093.htm)

Shenzhen-Guangzhou and Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR connected.

Shenzhen-Wuhan service starts today

First Changsha-Shenzhen train
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Changsha South railway station
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Guangzhou South
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Shenzhen North
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Changsha South
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Boarding the G1012 from Shenzhen North to Wuhan
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Onboard the G1012
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Xi'an-Beijing and Xi'an-Hankou HSR opened today

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Xi'an-Beijing West: D132, travel time: 8 hrs 47 mins, Fare: 493 Yuan (class I), Yuan 357 (class II)

Xi'an-Hankou: D140, travel time: 7 hrs 50 mins, Fare: 432 Yuan (class I), Yuan 307 (class II)

Source (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2012-04-01/162124211825.shtml)

^^ as far as I know, Beijing East is a very small staton which is not accomodating any major HSRs and has been forgotten by most people.

Shijiazhuang-Beijing stops at Beijing West. Shenyang-Beijing HSR (indluding the U/C 350km/h direct link) stops at Beijing Station. An underground link are being constructed to connect Beijing West and Beijing station.

Wikipedia must be mistaken Beijing Station with Beijing East.There may indeed be a new high-speed station, in Tongzhou, if this article (http://www.ebeijing.gov.cn/BeijingInformation/BeijingNewsUpdate/t1096888.htm) is to be believed.

Source with the Beijing Municipal Committee of Urban Planning's Tongzhou branch revealed that the New Beijing East Railway Station will be located in the northeast of Guoyuan Roundabout in Tongzhou District. Covering an area of about 42 hectares, the railway station will extend south to Yunhe West Street, north to Beijing-Qinhuangdao railway, west to Xinhua South Road, and east to Yuqiao West Road. The initial design plan for the railway station has been completed.

Beijing-Tangshan and Beijing-Shenyang passenger-dedicated lines will depart from the new east railway station

The New Beijing East Railway Station is one of four major and two branch railways in Beijing serving as the departure station of the Beijing-Tangshan intercity railway. The intercity railway, also an important part of the Beijing-Qinhuangdao intercity railway, has a planned average speed of 350km/h.

In addition, the Beijing-Shenyang passenger-dedicated line, which has been approved by the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), will also depart from the new east railway station. With a full length of 684.3 kilometers, the passenger-dedicated line will start from Beijing in the south and end in Shenyang in the north, passing through Chengde, Chaoyang, and Fuxin.The high-speed tunnel just got longer...

There may indeed be a new high-speed station, in Tongzhou, if this article (http://www.ebeijing.gov.cn/BeijingInformation/BeijingNewsUpdate/t1096888.htm) is to be believed.

The high-speed tunnel just got longer...A little follow-up. This old article from CCTV (http://www.cctv.com/english/special/news/20100416/103280.shtml) claims there will be a light rail connecting Beijing East/Tongzhou with Beijing Railway StationA light rail line will be built between Beijing Railway Station and Beijing East Railway Station 　

Yue said that the Beijing East Railway Station will be built at the current Tongzhou railway station, but its location is subject to detailed plan. Construction is expected to start in the latter half of 2010 or in the first half of 2011. In the future, trains from Beijing to Northeast China, Tangshan in Hebei Province and other places, will depart from the Beijing East Railway Station. Currently, plan for the eastern railway station has been almost finished, and the implementation will be accelerated after the plan is perfected. With the establishment of Beijing East Railway Station, a light rail line connecting Tongzhou and Beijing Railway Station will be erected. Related departments are still discussing whether or not there will be additional stations between the two larger railway stations. I think travellers from Shenyang would be somewhat disappointed after zooming into Beijing East at 350 km/h to switch to a tram ambling to Beijing Railway Station, and then maybe continue in a tunnel with unknown means of transport to Beijing West. Still, a direct tram would be better than multiple changes of metro.

This government release (http://www.ebeijing.gov.cn/BeijingInformation/BeijingNewsUpdate/t1102929.htm) claim a connection of 350 km/h from Beijing East, but presumably away from Beijing, not into/through Beijing. A high-speed through line from the east of Beijing to the west of Beijing, or south to north, would be great.

The mentioned R1 hasn't mentioned speed, I hope it will be higher than the 60 km/h of the metro, but supposedly Tongzhou-Tiananmen will be two stops (Guomao/Beijing CBD presumably the intermediate stop). If the third stop was Beijing West that would make sense (Harbin-Beijing East-Beijing CBD-Beijing Centre-Beijing West-Hong Kong), but later maps I have seen have placed the Tongzhou stop north of metro line 6, at the island next to Tongzhou "New City" CBD, thus unconnected to the CRH network.

China, Thailand to work closer on high-speed rail

Updated: 2012-04-19

(Xinhua)

BEIJING - China and Thailand have agreed to beef up cooperation in the land and water transportation sectors, according to a joint statement issued by the two governments on Thursday following Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's first official China visit.

The two countries also signed an agreement on facilitating railway cooperation during her visit, particularly in the area of high-speed rail construction.

According to the joint statement, the two countries agreed to boost cooperation in multiple areas in order to further their bilateral partnership.

They vowed to promote greater cooperation in traditional and non-traditional security sectors and jointly address terrorism, trafficking and illegal migration.

They will facilitate two-way investment and continue to promote the use of local currencies in bilateral trade and investment in order to lower the impact of exchange rate risks, the statement says.

The two countries are also committed to strengthening cooperation in the areas of agriculture, science and technology, ocean and environmental protection, it says.

Both sides plan to set up a joint laboratory for climate and marine ecosystem research and seek closer cooperation in the clean energy sector, according to the statement.

To step up cultural exchanges, the two countries agreed to promote the establishment of Chinese and Thai language and culture centers and encourage more students to study abroad, the statement says.

They also pledged to enhance cooperation in tourism, public health, water resource management, flood and disaster prevention and post-disaster reconstruction, according to the statement.

The statement was issued at the end of Yingluck's visit, which lasted from April 17 to 19.

HSR picture

Beijing-Shanghai HSR

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Wuhan-shanghai

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Hainan

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Hainan

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When did the CRH service to Hainan province started? :)

^^ on Oct 14 2010, a CRH-2 started running on Hainan East Ring Rail.

CRH photography

Beijing-Shanghai HSR

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When did the CRH service to Hainan province started? :)

Not yet. There still is no CRH service to or from Hainan province, only in.

Are there any plans for Guangzhou-Zhanjiang-Leizhou-Haian high speed railway?

What are the plans for a tunnel or a bridge across Qiongzhou Strait?

Beijing-Shijiazhuang HSR (281km) to start 4-month trial run by the end of July

source (http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2012-05-22/044024454810.shtml)