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Stuttgarter89 March 1st, 2005, 07:42 PM FRANKFURT, Germany - European Central Bank HQ
As of 29 June 2011:
Height: 185m
Floors: 45
Construction status: Under construction
National thread: Frankfurt | EZB Neubau (Europäische Zentralbank) | 185m (220m mit Spitze) | In Bau (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=160990) (German thread)
Public access: No (no observation platforms or similar)
Renderings / visualizations / models:
http://i45.tinypic.com/2nk0yut.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/nznk0k.jpg
With the 1928 expressionist "Großmarkthalle" (wholesale market hall) in the Frankfurt district called "Ostend" at the river Main
http://i42.tinypic.com/w97gar.jpg
http://i41.tinypic.com/315gbuv.jpg
Inside
http://i22.tinypic.com/2psoxnc.jpg
Model presented by Coop Himmelb(l)au (the architects office)
http://i41.tinypic.com/hur7gn.jpg
Source of all images: www.ecb.int/ecb/premises/intro/html/index.en.html & www.coop-himmelblau.at
Site of the building as of August 2008:
http://i36.tinypic.com/ygd1f.jpg
Source: User Tom_Green (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=24716356#post24716356)
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Initial post of 2005:
Hey I am new here.. so my first post is about the new 186m double slab tower in a polygonal form of the European Central Bank.
Fast Facts:
Name: ECB Skytower
Owner: The European Central Bank
Coasts: Not official (newspapers say 600 mio. or 1 mrd. Euro)
Architect: Coop Himmelb(l)au
Height: 186m (about 600 feet)
Construciton start: 2006
Construciton finish: 2009 or 2010
Maybe a new Tower or office Building will be built after 2009 because the Skytower is just the first step.
Some nice Pics:
http://www.new-ecb-premises.com/photos/area-v-s-gross.jpg
The Großmarkthalle (wholesale market) finished in 1928 will be the new main entrance of the Skytower. The Gorßmarkthalle will be reconditioned.
by http://www.new-ecb-premises.com
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/1343/modellecb1301052ar.jpg
The Twin Towers, the ground scraper and the reconditioned Großmarkthalle.
http://www.coop-himmelblau.at/images/projects/ezb/ezb2.jpg
One of the Towers
by www.coop-himmelblau.at
http://www.coop-himmelblau.at/images/projects/ezb/ezb5.jpg
The atrtium with the walkways.
by www.coop-himmelblau.at
http://www.coop-himmelblau.at/images/projects/ezb/ezb7.jpg
atrium again
by www.coop-himmelblau.at
An article of the New York Times
The European Union is not a particularly sexy institution: think dull, overworked bureaucrats rather than international glamour. But the selection last week of Coop Himmelb(l)au's dynamic design for the institution's central bank in Frankfurt shows that it is finally willing to take a chance on striking architecture.
Dominated by two asymmetrical towers that frame a 600-foot-tall atrium, the design radiates magnetic energy. The taut silhouettes of its two towers, bound together by the tense embrace of steel bridges and beams, should become an instantly recognizable element of the Frankfurt skyline - and help to revitalize the city's grim eastern suburbs.
But what makes the design more than a superficial attempt to spice up the European Union's image is its subtle relationship to 20th-century architectural history. Its bold forms nod to the idealism that was once embodied in International style Modernism but also critique it, expressing a more nuanced view of Europe's role in the emerging global culture.
The site for such an experiment could not have been better. The project will rise along the Main River less than two miles east of a cluster of towers that make up Frankfurt's business district. The 30-acre site, now occupied by a cavernous 1920's-era market hall, is surrounded by a mix of low-rise industrial and residential buildings. A row of hulking 1990's apartment blocks across the river to the south are a reminder that late capitalism can produce buildings that are as mind-numbingly dull as those of postwar Communism.
The beauty of Coop Himmelb(l)au's design springs from its surprises. Seen from certain points across the river, the towering glass facade could be that of a conventional office building, the shimmering exterior twisting slightly as it rises. But as you circle the building, the forms begin to break apart to create the atrium. Coop Himmelb(l)au dubs this interstitial space "the vertical city," and it will be packed with activity: greenhouses, public lounges, meeting rooms and a restaurant and boardroom.
Coop Himmelb(l)au, based in Vienna, is not the first firm to realize that the space between two towers can be as evocative as the forms of the towers themselves. In 2002, for example, the Iraqi-born British architect Zaha Hadid proposed a set of towers whose undulating forms gently touched one another at various points, creating a series of sensuous, eye-shaped openings. Around the same time, Norman Foster of Britain took a similar approach in his rejected design in a competition to rebuild at ground zero.
Coop Himmelb(l)au's contorted glass towers are a sly play on landmark European Modernist designs like Hannes Meyer's and Le Corbusier's competition entries for a League of Nations headquarters in 1927 or those for Soviet government buildings in Moscow in the early 1930's - a period when the prophets of Modernism were groping for an international aesthetic language.
The violent torque of the bank's glass towers suggests an effort to wriggle free of such old Modernist formulas. The entire composition conveys a quirky instability, as if the old order has been set slightly off balance.
That sense - that architecture can express dynamic social forces - is echoed in the central bank's relationship to its urban surroundings. Most visitors will approach the complex from the north, across a gated plaza that resembles a suburban office park. The market hall, a landmark known as the Grossmarkthalle, will be transformed into the main public entrance lobby. The office towers will rise out of an eight-story structure that Coop Himmelb(l)au has called the "ground-scraper."
The layout vividly reflects the elaborate security precautions that have become standard in an age of global terrorism. The few spaces that will be open to the public - main lobby, press rooms, auditorium, library, security offices - will be in the former market hall. The towers are reserved for private bank offices, with the board of directors perched at the very top. As such, the entire building can be read as an elaborate screening or cloaking device - not exactly, one assumes, what the European Central Bank might be aiming for.
Yet the design is also a more subtle exploration of urban tensions. Unlike the other architectural teams, for example, Coop Himmelb(l)au sought to preserve the suburban character of the existing plaza and Grossmarkthalle. Inside the hall, the architects created a series of spiraling ramps and walkways that will connect the auditorium at one end and the library at the other - but the sense of vast space is untouched.
It is only as you exit the building and enter the tower atrium, where rows of glass-enclosed elevators shoot up to the various office floors, that a more compressed urban experience emerges. Set on either side of the atrium, the offices will have the slick look of a conventional high-tech corporate office: floor-to-ceiling windows, classical modern furniture - the kind of cool abstraction that has become shorthand for corporate power.
The atrium itself, by comparison, is packed with energy. Along one side, a series of vertical gardens seem to float in air. A chapel between the 24th and 29th floors is pierced by an elliptical stair with a vertiginous view of the ground floor below. In a dash of 1970's hotel glamour, a restaurant lounge at the top of the atrium is topped by a cantilevered helipad - an escape pod for dark-suited ministers and bank officials.
The atrium offers a striking view of the downtown skyline: in effect, the overall design becomes a precarious bridge from suburban tranquillity to urban vitality. That ability to celebrate ambiguity and tension is what promises to make this one of the most original new buildings in Europe. As the European Union seeks to shake off its bureaucratic image, Coop Himmelb(l)au has obliged with a shimmering architectural icon - the kind of building that should give the central bank a much-needed air of élan.
Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
Imperial March 1st, 2005, 08:10 PM This braided Tower look great, I see thet Frankfurt growth up
Pedrillo March 1st, 2005, 09:34 PM I dont like it very much, but doesn't look too bad.
Thunderflip March 1st, 2005, 10:10 PM And what will happen with the current ECB?
Stuttgarter89 March 1st, 2005, 10:40 PM As far as i know there is no central Building of the ECB in Frankfurt.. there are offices all over the town.. in the new Tower all offices will come together!
SkylineTurbo March 2nd, 2005, 12:14 PM It does not look too bad, the shape is quite nice, reminds me of a referance to the Turning Torso in Malmo.
B@dGuYoM March 2nd, 2005, 12:45 PM quite good
Speakerbox March 2nd, 2005, 12:59 PM Oh No ... that looks horrible.
Good height, but please question the design.It looks so fat and stiff
Tricky March 2nd, 2005, 02:12 PM I'm not convinced either..... for that money they could have come up with something better (e.g. sleeker and taller)...
goschio March 2nd, 2005, 02:47 PM Oh No ... that looks horrible.
Good height, but please question the design.It looks so fat and stiff
some of the pics are old and show only the 150m version.
the new 189m version:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/1343/modellecb1301052ar.jpg
Alter-Ego March 2nd, 2005, 02:49 PM very nice 8!!! :)
goschio March 2nd, 2005, 02:52 PM As far as i know there is no central Building of the ECB in Frankfurt.. there are offices all over the town.. in the new Tower all offices will come together!
oh yes there is!
http://www.busadm.mu.edu/international/Strasbourg%202003/ECB.jpg
james2390 March 5th, 2005, 08:35 PM Quite nice! I'm liking it.
Nemo01 March 5th, 2005, 09:04 PM ..and another Turning Torso... It looks good
Edmundtanso March 9th, 2005, 04:13 AM wow!
nova March 9th, 2005, 04:55 AM Quite nice.
I like the interesting design, but I think the actual thing won't look a lot like the render.
lrd1rocha March 9th, 2005, 05:47 AM Really nice!
Bahraini Spirit March 9th, 2005, 12:19 PM Looks ok, nice in the first pic.
B@dGuYoM March 9th, 2005, 01:24 PM 4/10
GNU March 9th, 2005, 03:58 PM Don't like it that much.I wonder why they have chosen this location which is quite outside of the city center.
HD March 9th, 2005, 04:30 PM First of all there is aready a thread about this project and second most of th fotos are showing the old version, which was smaller.
Here's more photos:
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/9539/ecbmodel20ln.jpg http://img132.exs.cx/img132/3435/ecbrendering74qj.jpg http://img132.exs.cx/img132/7260/ecbmodel434oi.jpg http://img132.exs.cx/img132/3415/ecbmodel414sg.jpg http://img132.exs.cx/img132/2166/ecbmodel403xl.jpghttp://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/01/17/arts/BANK2.jpg
CborG March 9th, 2005, 11:04 PM Nice design, but the tower doesn't look like 190meters tall. It's a bit chunky
HD March 10th, 2005, 11:08 AM yeah..because it is two independent towers with independent cores and elevator shafts (connected with each other by an atrium and a few skybridges)
Turbosnail March 10th, 2005, 11:14 PM Any renders of how it will look on the skyline?? Bitte.
Justme March 16th, 2005, 08:10 AM I'm more interested in what will happen to the Grossmarkthalle at the base of the building. They write it will be the main public entrance, but I wonder how much public access will be allowed as I heard that there will be a lot of security around this site.
It would be a shame to loose public access to this massive market hall, after redevelopment it would be one of the greatest internal spaces in Frankfurt, and should be opened fully to the public.
Anyone know what will be the case here?
Here are some photo's I took at the last public open day in the markethall
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21543019.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21543020.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21543021.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21545456.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21545487.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21548324.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21548326.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21548325.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/jchambers/image/21548327.jpg
BMXican August 1st, 2005, 06:37 PM only a very small part of the hall will be open to public.
newfvgffm January 9th, 2006, 02:26 AM Well, good news for Frankfurt, the so called optimisation phase is completed.
It seems the Tower has lost 2 floors, but the former helipod has been increased in height, so it should stay around 180-190m.
Here is a first render:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3133/ezbneu14sb.th.jpg (http://img229.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ezbneu14sb.jpg)
copyright Stefan Laub ( JLaublab )
Also read the following text:
Ergebnis der Optimierungsphase
Am 15. Dezember 2005 nahm der EZB-Rat das Ergebnis der Optimierungsphase des Neubau-Projekts der EZB zur Kenntnis, deren Zweck eine optimale Ressourcennutzung und Kostenminimierung war, stimmte dem entsprechend überarbeiteten Entwurf und Lastenheft zu und beschloss den Beginn der Planungsphase des Projekts.
English:
On december 15th the counsil of the ECB gave its ok on the final design of the new ECB headquarters. The Optimisation Phase lasted around one year, reducing costs and optimisation of the available resources was its purpose. Now the immediate planning phase is following.
Construction Start: 4thQuarter of 2006.
Source:
Europäische Zentralbank
Abteilung Presse und Information
Kaiserstraße 29, D-60311 Frankfurt am Main
Telefon: +49 (69) 1344 7455, Fax: +49 (69) 1344 7404
Internet: http://www.ecb.int
Nachdruck nur mit Quellenangabe gestattet.
http://www.bundesbank.de/ezb/ezb_pressenotizen.php
$prometheus$ January 9th, 2006, 02:52 AM Coop Himmelb(l)au rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love this tower
LordMarshall January 9th, 2006, 02:55 AM not a bad design, but like some people said it looks chunky.
Harkeb January 11th, 2006, 05:38 AM interesting new age design.
marcobruls January 11th, 2006, 04:14 PM http://www.bestdeal.org/Merchant2/graphics/00000010/DSCN0223.jpg
Its not only chunky its also out of place,and a damn shame bout that market place.
909 January 11th, 2006, 04:19 PM Great design. At least something unique and special, which is becoming more and more uncommon nowadays.
-Corey- January 12th, 2006, 04:53 AM very nice
Manu84 January 12th, 2006, 03:40 PM is this the definitly design???
newfvgffm January 12th, 2006, 05:39 PM Unfortunately there are some "Bad" News concerning this project.
As is wrote in #30 the Optimisation Phase is completed and here are the new facts:
Height was decreased to 177m by cutting away 2 floors. Looks really chunky now.
The so called "Groundscraper" is surprisingly cancelled. The only good News.
Instead of the Groundscraper located directly in front of the famous Grossmarkthalle on the Main-Side a new building is connecting the 2 Towers with the grossmarkthalle.
The grossmarkthalle will be used much more than previously thought.
The new building is cutting through the grossmarkthalle, like in the first design of the 1st Phase of the competition, showed below:
http://www.new-ecb-premises.com/3-photos-design_phase1/models_gross/145.jpg
But the new building is not to be as massiv as the one shown in the model of the 1st Design.
New Model is in Work as the ECB told.
Now the Detailed Planning is starting.
To our Surprise they reduced the future working Force from 2500 to 2300 in the new buildings.
They will start construction in the end of 2007. That's infact the worst part of it all. We Frankfurters thought they would start constructing for sure in 2006.
2011 the ECB Bankers will move in.
Well not so good News out of Frankfurt.
I am very dissapointed about the height change of the Towers, 186-190 m would have been perfect. At the end they build another 150 Standard Twin.
They told that there might be additional changes in the Planning Phase :(
2006 is going to be a real shitty year for Frankfurt.
Newcastle Guy January 12th, 2006, 05:49 PM wow, nice design!
Mosaic January 13th, 2006, 07:16 AM nice design.
newfvgffm January 18th, 2006, 09:48 PM New Model Pictures of the current design after the Optimisation Phase:
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5373/17qf1.jpg
http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4113/25zl.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1008/39vo.jpg
http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2015/44up.jpg
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/3913/56ww.jpg
Photographer: Robert Metsch
ECB Press Release, 18.1.2006 http://www.ecb.int/ecb/premises/html/index.en.html
Eric Offereins January 19th, 2006, 10:25 PM That ain't bad, but it looks smaller than 186 meter.
godblessbotox January 19th, 2006, 11:20 PM good design, reminds me of robocop for some strange reason, but like i said i like it!
newfvgffm January 19th, 2006, 11:34 PM @Eric Offereins
If u would read #30 and #38 in this thread on page 2 U would know everything about the height changes...
HD June 8th, 2006, 01:14 PM new pictures of the project were released, including this spectacular view of the atrium located between the two towers ...
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3581/ecb12mz.jpg
Iron June 8th, 2006, 02:11 PM Good loking tower. It's to bad it won't be built in Frankfurt downtown.
Erebus555 June 8th, 2006, 02:49 PM Frankfurt hasnt seen the development most other cities have been through. It is great to see then that numerous tall building projects are appearing. This really is a good time for Frankfurt, lets just hope the keep it up!
Justme June 8th, 2006, 10:20 PM To be honest, I'm more interested to see what they will make of the grand space of the old Market Hall. This is a huge hall but ugly as hell now. If they pull off a good redevelopment of it - and, most of all, open that part to the public, it could be a landmark building.
Anyone have pictures of the market hall after redevelopment?
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hella good June 10th, 2006, 06:46 PM wow! very nice!! love it
HD June 11th, 2006, 03:33 PM To be honest, I'm more interested to see what they will make of the grand space of the old Market Hall. This is a huge hall but ugly as hell now. If they pull off a good redevelopment of it - and, most of all, open that part to the public, it could be a landmark building.
Anyone have pictures of the market hall after redevelopment?
significant changes to the design of the market hall were made: the old groundscraper next to the hall was scrapped. instead there is a narrow glas cube piercing through the market hall forming the formal entrance. the hall will get a new roof and a new facade. only the frame will remain, as it is now.
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2017/robertmetsch6pj.jpg
Mosaic June 12th, 2006, 09:06 PM nice design, this is good for Frankfurt.
Erebus555 June 12th, 2006, 09:51 PM I'm not sure about that passageway cutting through the original hall. Maybe it will work by creating a contrast between new and old architecture. I think as much as the original architecture should be kept though.
MPrulez June 13th, 2006, 07:26 PM it looks "fat":)
ZZ-II June 15th, 2006, 09:13 PM I hope we'll wait not the next 10 Years for Construction Start :D
newfvgffm November 8th, 2006, 11:58 AM News:
Construction is due to start end 2007/beginning 2008
Height again increased from 177m to 185m.
No Helipad anymore, new Diagrams, an a new model of the latest design:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3083/ezbneuem4.jpg
ECB press Realease, http://www.ecb.int/ecb/premises/html/index.en.html
Reminds me now of an Libeskind design, hopefully they change it again a little bit. Towers should be slimmer and higher and monolithic like in this latest design.
ZZ-II November 8th, 2006, 12:20 PM Thank you.
Dyn.tek November 8th, 2006, 02:14 PM it looks better now.thanks god,no helipad!
AJW November 8th, 2006, 02:28 PM Cool building! A worthy addition to one of the most impressive European skylines.
Surumi November 8th, 2006, 02:45 PM The sidewalls of the tower are too massiv and too blank.
ZZ-II November 8th, 2006, 05:49 PM wait until it's finished, i'm sure it'll look much better then.
Erebus555 November 8th, 2006, 06:36 PM The site is cleared and ready for construction. Whats holding them back?
BMXican November 8th, 2006, 08:13 PM the architects are still working on the design, the final design will be presented mid 2007. that's why construction can't start yet. we will see preparation works soon though. and parts of the market hall on the site will have to be demolished first.
Erebus555 November 8th, 2006, 09:43 PM ^^Thanks. What is being done to the rest of the site because the tower does not take up all of the space and there is alot of room from what I saw from the top of Maintower.
LuckyLuke November 8th, 2006, 10:20 PM ^^ As far as I know the ECB wants to safe some space for a future development.
The silver facade looks indeed very much like a Libeskind building. Almost like a part of the jewish museum. The ECB will be Germany's first deconstructive tower, won't it?
BMXican November 9th, 2006, 11:26 PM exactly. the remaining free space will be a landscaped park area (most of it not public though). only the area next to the river will be open to public.
delahaye November 11th, 2006, 04:27 PM is the 185m figure the final one or will it be taller?
RKS November 12th, 2006, 12:31 AM i don't think so
Bender November 12th, 2006, 10:00 AM the architects are still working on the design, the final design will be presented mid 2007. that's why construction can't start yet. we will see preparation works soon though. and parts of the market hall on the site will have to be demolished first.
I don't see what needs to be demolished. Bring the excavators!!
carst0rnHH May 18th, 2007, 10:26 AM hello ;)
any new infos about the tower? is it approved? construction start in...?
ZZ-II May 18th, 2007, 10:47 AM construction start is probably end of 2007, and it will be finished in 2011 or so
HD May 18th, 2007, 11:02 AM preparation works is starting soon :)
HD May 18th, 2007, 11:22 AM I wonder why these new pics haven't been posted yet ...
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9378/stefanlaub2lc1.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4286/stefanlaubrj6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6721/coophimmelblauzf3.jpg
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1710/markuspillhofercr6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2779/markuspillhofer2hg9.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/747/markuspillhofer3ov4.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5818/markuspillhofer4bw6.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7639/coophimmelblau2bf1.jpg
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5073/ecbvb6.jpg
CYstillFI May 18th, 2007, 11:55 AM So I wasn't the only one wondering...
And here is the ECB press release (http://www.ecb.int/press/pr/date/2007/html/pr070220.en.html) from 20th of February this year, which was published after the decision for the final go ahead. Following is mentioned:
"...The ECB will continue to cooperate with the city and state authorities regarding the ongoing process of submitting a request for the necessary building permits, which is expected to be finalised as scheduled by the end of October 2007. Construction is envisaged to start in early 2008, with finalisation foreseen by the end of 2011...."
I really like the design, it just could have been a bit taller. Especially the view from north appears too massive. They should have taken the full 200 Meter which had been given by the city as a height limit at this place.
Prestonian May 18th, 2007, 12:23 PM Looks like some really good architecture there which is great to see. It also looks very expensive and complicated so lets hope that there are few delays and that interest rates don't have to rise to pay for it ;).
Its interesting that the general process of monetary policy making today is supposed to be one of absolute transparency so infaltion expectations can be made with certainty, helping investment, growth and future inflation. Addmitedly the ECB doesn't really follow this model very well... but I'd have expected the design of the building to have gone to extreme lengths to suggest transparency even if it doesn't quite exist in reality. I'm not sure if the fortress elements overrule the transparent atrium bit...
BMXican May 18th, 2007, 12:34 PM fortress elements? do you mean that huge hall ?
I agree with those who say it looks fat and massive - they should have gone with the maximum height allowed there (though I doubt 15 more metres would make a difference), as CYstillFI said. I sincerely hope they still increase the height till october - wouldn't be the first time in the history of the project.
imo they should have dropped that admittingly exciting atrium bit and gone for two separate slim towers, instead of one fat tower.
and I wish they'd published some good renderings of the project instead of neutral models.
but enough of complaining ... I'm sure it's going to become a new symbol of the city and a pretty famous building in the world, once finished.
SkyLerm May 18th, 2007, 12:34 PM Cool design :cool:
KoolKeatz May 18th, 2007, 02:46 PM It looks really fat and massive. I dont like it. I like slim towers. :ohno:
carst0rnHH May 25th, 2007, 05:14 PM the first pic in #73 is very cool. i think the tower is a great addition to the skyline
weird May 25th, 2007, 08:32 PM Yes, if you look it from some angles it seems so fat.. Not my kind of tower..
Racingfreak May 25th, 2007, 08:39 PM I like the design
HD June 9th, 2007, 06:30 PM I've seen some people walking around the old market hall, measuring something. looks like the two lowrise wings are going to be demolished soon.
Ramses June 9th, 2007, 07:32 PM Nice design, wrong location. It should be inside the current highrise district, not on the other side of the historical city center.
ZZ-II June 9th, 2007, 08:02 PM agree Ramses, the location of the tower is not the best.....but still better as no tower :)
CYstillFI June 9th, 2007, 08:26 PM That's good news, thanks. The destruction of the low rise wings was already approved. But there are still some legal issues regarding the section of the hall for the new entrance. I would really appreciate seeing them clarified, and finally this project being approved, though I have no doubt it will be.
Regarding the location of the tower, it is probably the best place for such a "solitaire" building. Currently the existing highrise areas have quite some projects ongoing, so there the density will rise significant even without that project.
cSc June 18th, 2007, 03:59 PM In a local news paper it was mentioned end of last week that the trial regarding the cut through the old wholesale market hall is taking place in August. Let us keep fingers crossed as if the former archtitects successors get right for their claims on the copyright the whole project still can fail. The ECB could then withdraw from the contract with the city under such circumstances. :(
Racingfreak June 18th, 2007, 04:48 PM From the front-side is it nice, but from the side looks the design ugly.
CYstillFI June 19th, 2007, 07:37 AM Racingfreak, which side do you mean exactly (in its position to the old wholesale market hall) with the front side? This tower is so different it its views and somehow offers to almost everybody a nice and also an ugly view. Amazing. I prefer the slim views from east and west alongside with the old hall and the river.
Racingfreak June 19th, 2007, 03:32 PM On the Impressin on the first page can you See the the tower from the side.
And that's look likes a big ugly 'wall'
CYstillFI June 20th, 2007, 07:23 AM Assuming that you mean this
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5818/markuspillhofer4bw6.jpg
side, I totally agree with you. It's really looking like a wall and let's say, not really nice. Instead of making it so wide they should have gone for the full height limit which would have been 200 m for the highest office floor, so something between 210 and 220 m in total. Hope they increase the height in the final design. It was already pushed up from 177 over 182 to 185 Meters while the optimization phase.
And those two views are my favorites. They are really looking awesome and with increased height it would even be perfect.
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1710/markuspillhofercr6.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2779/markuspillhofer2hg9.jpg
ZZ-II June 20th, 2007, 07:23 PM i think it'll look much better in reality
goschio June 20th, 2007, 09:39 PM i think it'll look much better in reality
Agree, because the sides will be made of glass and not metal like in the models.
Eric Offereins June 20th, 2007, 11:30 PM ^^ That is much better indeed. Hopefully we will get some renders with the glass.
ZZ-II June 20th, 2007, 11:38 PM i found this one in the german section:
http://www.coop-himmelblau.at/images/projects/ezb/800x600/ezb8.jpg?
CYstillFI June 21st, 2007, 12:52 AM With some luck you also could have found it on the page before in this thread. :D
But you are right, with glas it will be looking different and probably better. Anyway, we will have to wait for the final version, hopefully with some real good renders, and last not least, that the trial works out fine for this project. :)
Sentient Seas June 21st, 2007, 11:32 PM A good and unique design... this is a keeper.
Herr Lind June 22nd, 2007, 03:02 AM Omfg...
HD July 11th, 2007, 05:53 PM construction starts in spring 2008 - according to the fnp newspaper. we can actually change the title from pro to app ...
ZZ-II July 11th, 2007, 07:16 PM less than a year to wait, great!! :)
CYstillFI July 11th, 2007, 09:29 PM They are looking for a main contracter now, sounds really good. Either they are very confident to win the trial or, even better, they will build it anyway. Let's put it to approved. :cheers:
Jim856796 August 4th, 2007, 06:43 PM If the European Central Bank is moving its headquarters from the Eurotower to the Grossmarkthalle site, won't this leave the Eurotower vacant? If so, what will the Eurotower be converted into?
goschio August 5th, 2007, 12:09 PM ^
The Eurotower will be renovated with new facade as far as I know. The tower is a bit dated now.
cSc August 6th, 2007, 08:56 AM ECB is also occupying a large space in the old Commerzbank tower just over the street. This is for sure another candidate for renovation or even reconstruction. I can remember that were already plans for renovation in the past, but then the ECB went in for the time being.
HD September 4th, 2007, 11:02 AM looks like preparation works has started. there is activity on the site, some sort of cranes are being assembled.
CYstillFI September 4th, 2007, 06:02 PM That's true. About two weeks ago I had a conversation with someone working onsite and he mentioned that the drillings for the foundation soil analysis of the future tower area have been completed so far. Also, in the meanwhile, there has been built a massive, concrete founded steel structure which will probably carry soon the construction site sign and maybe facade samples or so. Here some pictures from Friday 08/24 and the one before...
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3365383939653965.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3739393762343536.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3934623734666332.jpg
pics: cystillfi
Until last weeks Friday nothing special changed since then, but I try to give this place another visit before leaving end of this week for vacation. Although they will submit the tower's building permission not before October I guess there must already be something in the pipeline for the excavation pit and the demolition of the so called "annex" buildings.
BMXican September 5th, 2007, 10:12 AM it's about time something's happening there. I wonder what they're doing there.
Daewon September 5th, 2007, 10:55 AM Sky Tower in - Wroclaw Poland 258m !!! Start 2007-2010 Finish http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/1822/skytowerqr6.jpgm :cheers:
newfvgffm September 5th, 2007, 11:09 AM ja nice, but what has it do with this thread?
Daewon September 5th, 2007, 01:04 PM That something like Sky Tower should come to Sky ! not just 'stick out from ground '' :lol: 185 - 258 m;)http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6181/skztowertt1.jpg
LuckyLuke September 5th, 2007, 01:29 PM OK the name is debatable but so it the name of the tower in Wroclaw (Which is is a nice project btw). 258m isn't that high compared to the big skyscrapers all around the world.
Please, just stop spamming this thread with pictures that don't have anything to do with the Skytower in Frankfurt.
cSc September 5th, 2007, 02:09 PM ^^ nice tower, but, to be honest, who cares? :nuts:
Back to the Skytower in Frankfurt. The good news is that the trial won't stop the project in general. They will start with the tower as planned. Can't wait to see the excavators rollin'...
JoPaM September 5th, 2007, 03:16 PM 5/10
Frankfurter_Bockwurst September 5th, 2007, 03:49 PM looks a bit fat..and a way too distanced to the rest...8/10
amd jp feira please dont spam like this... or give a reason
Dyn.tek September 5th, 2007, 03:50 PM there is another "sky tower" in auckland with a height of 328m which is even some 70m taller than yours in wroclaw .
but as csc already said..who cares??
the tower will be great, thats all we need to know! :)
BMXican September 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM skytower isn't even the official name - it's just a working title. officially it will be the european central bank headquarters ...
and according to the ecb it's two separate towers connected with eachother by an atrium ... 2 x 185 = 370m :lol: ;)
erbse September 5th, 2007, 04:43 PM 5/10
Does this thread look like "Rate our Talls" to u? :sly:
Btw: This tower is goin to be awesome - In facts I'm often against towers that are way off the cluster, but in this case it makes just a good matchin impression to me, because it creates kinda "city entry" (maybe together with the Main Plaza on the other side of the Main-Bach :)) for the East of Frankfurt. And it has a lot more of a lighthouse-effect as it would stand in the middle of the city-crowd. Will be nice. At least, I hope so.
CYstillFI September 5th, 2007, 05:22 PM 2 x 185 = 370m :lol: :okay:
Sounds like one of this ridiculous "Who has the longer one" comparisons, but in this case, I have to admit, it makes sense...
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3335393663666338.jpg
Sorry, but I really couldn't resist... :D
FFM2007 September 5th, 2007, 05:45 PM ^^ :rofl:
but we should get back to topic now :lol:
Daewon September 5th, 2007, 05:52 PM CYstillFI now we can say that we know what a building or thing you dream about :lol: but to not be too sarcastic Frankfurt tower is quite nice , keep going mates maybe next time be better ;)
MPOWER September 5th, 2007, 05:55 PM Looks like my Joystick :banana: :lol:
The tower looks good (ECB)!
goschio September 6th, 2007, 03:53 AM Cant wait for the construction. I think it will look much better than on the rendering because of the glass facade and the awesome atrium between the two towers. Should look great especially at night.
ZZ-II September 6th, 2007, 08:30 PM with a good light-system absolutely
MasonicStage™ September 6th, 2007, 08:44 PM :lol: :okay:
Sounds like one of this ridiculous "Who has the longer one" comparisons, but in this case, I have to admit, it makes sense...
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3335393663666338.jpg
Sorry, but I really couldn't resist... :D
lol :lol:
anywayz...it's a really nice tower! :okay:
henner September 7th, 2007, 08:51 AM :lol: :okay:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3335393663666338.jpg
Uhhh! somebody in warsaw has something to compensate uhh? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :nuts: :lol: :) :banana: :nuts: :nuts:
BMXican September 7th, 2007, 09:24 AM it's the 222m skytower in wroclaw, and I think it's enough of jokes about it ;)
Daewon September 7th, 2007, 10:31 AM If you will look on last site of Sky Tower theard in Wroclaw you will see that project and tall has change :cheers:
By the way size of your tower must be alike with German aspiration and ''Something else '' :banana: :lol:
http://e.pardon.pl/pa979/0e3e21070004482846e10e38:lol:
goschio September 7th, 2007, 10:48 AM ^
Stop trolling the thread with your nonsense.
Daewon September 7th, 2007, 11:04 AM Me wat henner is doing ? :lol: :poke:
newfvgffm September 7th, 2007, 11:37 AM i prefer thick than thin.
Now its really enough of spamming our Frankfurt Skytower Thread.
Please continue somewhere else, thankyou!
CYstillFI September 7th, 2007, 11:41 AM Hey guys, everybody should know when a good joke has its end. The last two mentioned posts in both threads are far behind that point.
And, Daewon, don't forget who initially started trolling. I think we can leave that part with you.
But now back to the real topic of this thread.
Edit: ^^ Thanks, newfvgffm.
i_am_hydrogen September 7th, 2007, 07:33 PM Let's get back on topic, please.
CYstillFI September 9th, 2007, 08:53 PM So, the mentioned structure is obviously foreseen for facade samples. Here some pictures from Friday.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3439633065636431.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3836653062386636.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/6361336666666331.jpg
pics: cystillfi
HD September 9th, 2007, 09:13 PM omg :eek: I can not believe it but it begins!
OMH September 10th, 2007, 02:51 AM So, the mentioned structure is obviously foreseen for facade samples. Here some pictures from Friday.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3439633065636431.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3836653062386636.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/6361336666666331.jpg
pics: cystillfi
this building is in frankfurt?
HD September 10th, 2007, 10:31 AM ^^ this entire thread is about a building in frankfurt ...
goschio September 10th, 2007, 11:11 AM Great to see a facade sample. Looks very transparent. But I dont really like this milky grey look. However, might looks different in full sunlight.
Dyn.tek September 10th, 2007, 11:15 AM what exactly is this structure used for?
goschio September 10th, 2007, 11:19 AM what exactly is this structure used for?
To display facade samples and renderings? Isn't that obvious?
Dyn.tek September 10th, 2007, 11:41 AM yes it is. but i was hoping for some showroom or something similar.
ZZ-II September 10th, 2007, 09:50 PM the facade looks good so far :)
CYstillFI September 12th, 2007, 04:30 PM dyn.tek,
give it some time, a showroom will follow. :)
Dyn.tek September 25th, 2007, 02:38 AM great news, thx CYstillFI !
i will be in frankfurt for a few days in the middle of october. i hope they are fast. :cheers:
R@ptor September 25th, 2007, 07:58 PM But I dont really like this milky grey look.
Me as well. I would prefer a more silver looking facade.
CYstillFI September 26th, 2007, 07:09 PM Well, this is a first sample and for sure not the last one. Currently additional frames are being installed. Let's wait for the results.
Dyn.tek, I wouldn't expect too much for the middle of October, even if the building application should have been submitted at that time.
CYstillFI October 4th, 2007, 01:13 PM Since an ECB communication (http://www.ecb.int/ecb/premises/pdf/NEP_mock-up_building_071001_EN.pdf) from last Monday (thanks to newfvgffm for finding this) we finally know what this structure is intended to be good for.
It should represent a two-storey 1:1 scaled mock-up of a middle section of the south tower and the adjacent atrium, showing samples of internal finishes as well as of the facade. It will be used for verifaction of technical, functional and architectural details of the facade and the internal design. The facade at least should be finished mid of October.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3432393236366230.jpg
Source: ECB
Normally not worth to post it, but in relation to above, here last Saturday's status.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3135303435326161.jpg
pic: cystillfi
King-Krunch October 4th, 2007, 05:52 PM Thanks for that info :)
I had guessed it would be used for a facade mockup.
Asterix October 4th, 2007, 06:40 PM A very beautiful design. :okay:
I took this photo from the present head office of the ECB.
My question is the following one: will move that symbol of the Euro to the new headquarters or will remain in that place?
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5337/cimg0908fk6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
newfvgffm October 8th, 2007, 01:54 PM Time over for those terrible blue renderings, final design, new renderings, i like it....
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1231382_ezb1.jpg
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1231389_ezb2.jpg
http://www.imagehosting.com/out.php/i1231395_ezb3.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2048/ezb4cs5.jpg
Source: ECB, Pictures by: ISOCHROM.com, Markus Pillhofer, RTT, ESKQ
Skyline.Fan October 8th, 2007, 01:57 PM ehmmmm wooooooow :cheers:
HD October 8th, 2007, 02:15 PM wow, massive!
since when does it have a spire? this will bring it easily over 200m. the towers itself look taller than 185m ... has there been another height increase?
Frankfurter_Bockwurst October 8th, 2007, 02:43 PM woho nice new renders
CYstillFI October 8th, 2007, 03:17 PM The spire is new! I guess it will count in terms of structural height. It seems to be something between 30 and 40 meters which would push this buildings official height to something between 215 and 225 Meters and the ECB would become the third tallest scyscraper in Frankfurt! Even if this would be a classic
:tiasd:
...who cares! :D
goschio October 8th, 2007, 03:33 PM Looks much better than on the first renderings.
And I like how the tower directly emerges from that park. Not the usual in Frankfurt.
erbse October 8th, 2007, 10:22 PM If I may add two cozy renders of the buildings' heart ;)
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9140/chbl071005picatriumisocdz1.jpg
© ESKQ
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/4504/chbl071005picfoyerconfemh2.jpg
© ISOCHROM.com
I really appreciate that building. It's going to create a magnificent entrance to the city from the east and it'll really stick out at this location :cheers2:
HD October 9th, 2007, 05:36 PM finally some world class architecture again in frankfurt
ZZ-II October 9th, 2007, 07:07 PM but unfortunately a bit far away from the main cluster
HT October 10th, 2007, 01:13 AM I just hope this will stay the only skyscraper in that area.
ZZ-II October 10th, 2007, 08:00 PM yes, agree totally. with other towers in the area the cluster would be stretched, and that would ruin the density in my opinion
Frankfurter_Bockwurst October 13th, 2007, 09:58 PM im loving the last render..the water looks somewhat fast XD
velut arbor aevo October 14th, 2007, 06:10 PM WOWWWW, REALLY NICE DESIGN
SuburbanWalker October 14th, 2007, 06:27 PM What's the reason they chose that particular location? Was it just a good opportunity to redevelop the site?
Frankfurter_Bockwurst October 14th, 2007, 06:47 PM i dont know why they took that site but it was a hard way to start Construction....because the red old building is the großmarkthalle and some people didnt(stil dont want i think) do get a little part of it demolished...
HT October 15th, 2007, 04:48 PM They took this place because it is the European Central Bank. They need really big security standarts for there Skyscraper, so this open and free Space is perfect for the need of Security they have.
cSc October 19th, 2007, 08:30 AM I still don't like the view from north, it looks too fat, but let's wait for how it appears once in reality and seen from the street. All the others views are really awesome. And I am really curious about how the spire will effect the structural height, and if so, what the buildings height is including the spire.
@Asterix: As far as I know the Euro symbol will not move to the new location. But I can't remember if it stays at all. I hope so.
Btw, it's mid of October, any news from the mock-up building?
ZZ-II October 19th, 2007, 08:50 PM yes it looks fat but i love fat and massive towers :)
erbse October 21st, 2007, 10:40 PM Thus, where are the diggers? I wanna see some movin' sand :colgate:
erbse December 19th, 2007, 06:32 PM Some nice aerial pics, which show the corky measures of the project:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/444p-i.jpg
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/big/444p-j.jpg
Seen at the DAF (http://www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de/forum/showthread.php?p=159979#post159979), posted by Münster
BMXican December 20th, 2007, 03:10 PM nice
has anyone seen this yet?
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7601/ecb33vg8.jpg
I wonder how tall this is going to be including the spire ... clearly way over 200m
makrolone December 20th, 2007, 03:11 PM great
CYstillFI December 20th, 2007, 04:28 PM ^^ Nice Pic! Haven't seen that one yet, but noticed the spire already on the last renders. It seems to be at least of the same height like the old hall at its ends. So it must be 40+ meters. And with its position upon the roof which seems to maybe 5 meters less than the highest point, let's say 185 + 40 - 5 = 220 (obviously structural) meters. Sounds like music to me... :D
And finally some pics of the almost completed mock-up building, at least all facade samples have been installed in the meanwhile - thought I already had them posted...
Just hope they go for the non-green version, not just because of colour, also in terms of reflection.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3865313238393866.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/6539373636613835.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3834376361353139.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/6662353233383935.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3661633731633733.jpg
pics: cystillfi
BMXican December 20th, 2007, 04:44 PM interesting. I'd take the blue facade in the center. having said that it appears to me that there is a facade sample with a brownish touch - is that just a reflection of the market hall, or is there really a brown facade sample?
I think it would be very interesting to see it in brown ...
CYstillFI December 20th, 2007, 05:10 PM It appears brownish as a result of reflection and the red light of sunset, in reality it turns out silver-white. But agree with you, it would be really interesting to see it like this.
Bitxofo December 20th, 2007, 06:28 PM Nice tower.
:okay:
Jim856796 December 23rd, 2007, 07:37 AM So the development consists of the main Skytower (185 metres), the EZB Erweiterungsbau (47 metres), and the Groundscraper. Besides being the entrance to the new headquaqrters, what will the old Grossmarkthalle building be used for? The development should have more office space thean the ECB'S old headquarters, the Eurotower.
CYstillFI December 23rd, 2007, 04:13 PM Not exactly, the extension (Erweiterungsbau) is optional and will not yet be built, the groundscraper was cancelled already in the revision phase. The old wholesale market hall will be used as entrance, for conference rooms, cantine and restaurant. And of course it will have more space than the old premises, this was one of the main reasons to build this. :)
CYstillFI February 20th, 2008, 10:14 PM The building permission has been given by official side (8th of Feb.). This includes the pit and other preps in detail and whole project in general. Construction start for the pit and the demolition of annex buildings is set for beginning of April. In the moment a tender has been sent out to the companies which applied for construction of the tower - 400 folders of specs. End for the bid will be August.
LeMoN-SK February 21st, 2008, 02:10 AM Very interesting combination of twists and edges, will look good I think...
HD February 21st, 2008, 07:17 PM The building permission has been given by official side (8th of Feb.). This includes the pit and other preps in detail and whole project in general. Construction start for the pit and the demolition of annex buildings is set for beginning of April. In the moment a tender has been sent out to the companies which applied for construction of the tower - 400 folders of specs. End for the bid will be August.
finally. initally the project was supposed to be finished in 2008 ...
1.5 more months and this is u/c
ZZ-II February 21st, 2008, 07:53 PM can't wait to see the first construction pics :)
Densetsu February 21st, 2008, 08:16 PM :eek: this building is very cool :okay: i would like to see it finished
derUlukai February 21st, 2008, 08:21 PM maybe stuttgarter could edit some of the newer renderings to the first post...
pescarush February 21st, 2008, 08:53 PM i love that glass facade detail! the tower has a unique shape. beautifull!
also the renders are great!
newfvgffm February 21st, 2008, 11:07 PM Does someone know if they made a decision yet about the glass color?
Please! not any green anymore...
ZZ-II February 21st, 2008, 11:10 PM can't imagine they'll use green glas for this tower
newfvgffm February 21st, 2008, 11:16 PM ^
why can't u imagine, they have tested it and! it's cheap...
CYstillFI March 20th, 2008, 01:09 PM Let's hope not.
At least, the preps have come to a new level. They are setting new fences and are preparing additional space for the logistics. A contractor has been named for the first part of the construction meaning the pit, other ground works around this huge place and the destruction of the low side wings of the old wholesale market hall. This will start in about two weeks.
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3362363966313834.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3435653365313833.jpg
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/64/136464/3866643364363539.jpg
pics: cystillfi
ZZ-II March 20th, 2008, 02:36 PM finally some visible progress :cheers:
HD March 31st, 2008, 10:22 PM construction officially started :)
http://www.ecb.int/ecb/premises/pdf/ECB_NEP_NL_08038_de.pdf
Skyline.Fan April 1st, 2008, 02:30 AM i hate this tower, it looks so fat.
goschio April 1st, 2008, 03:30 AM can't imagine they'll use green glas for this tower
Me neither. Green is the color of the Dollar and Islam. I think it will be blue, the color of Europe.
ZZ-II April 1st, 2008, 06:42 PM construction officially started :)
http://www.ecb.int/ecb/premises/pdf/ECB_NEP_NL_08038_de.pdf
cool :cheers:
Patrick April 1st, 2008, 07:05 PM i hate this tower, it looks so fat.
you're never satisfied, are you?
Skyline.Fan April 1st, 2008, 07:20 PM you're never satisfied, are you?
i'm glad you got it. actually the opernturm is ok, but for me highrises begin at 200+ meters. i want breathtaking projects (Millennium Tower, a nice T185, Max, Marieninsel) and not these kindergarten projects.
the new ecb will look like a fat woman standing in the nowhere. no beauty, no connection to the skyline. and you talk about being satisfied? and even munich has become a pussy headquarter in the moment when they denied the transrapid, i would have built it even for 4 billion €'s, such a great invention with such a promising future. we need a new better government + more economy supporters in each state.
aaron_S April 1st, 2008, 11:03 PM construction started? That's great news!! :banana::banana::cheers::)
HD April 1st, 2008, 11:06 PM i'm glad you got it. actually the opernturm is ok, but for me highrises begin at 200+ meters. i want breathtaking projects (Millennium Tower, a nice T185, Max, Marieninsel) and not these kindergarten projects.
the new ecb will look like a fat woman standing in the nowhere. no beauty, no connection to the skyline. and you talk about being satisfied? and even munich has become a pussy headquarter in the moment when they denied the transrapid, i would have built it even for 4 billion €'s, such a great invention with such a promising future. we need a new better government + more economy supporters in each state.
actually this tower will be taller than 200m if you include the spire ;)
Marco Polo April 2nd, 2008, 06:40 AM Is no nice building. :(
goschio April 17th, 2008, 05:25 PM Construction has now started. Lots of machines and workers have arrived. Perhaps someone can post some pictures.
Justme April 17th, 2008, 05:29 PM Construction has now started. Lots of machines and workers have arrived. Perhaps someone can post some pictures.
It's amazing what you can see from Townsville ;O)
HD April 19th, 2008, 09:41 PM Construction has now started. Lots of machines and workers have arrived. Perhaps someone can post some pictures.
more and more activity at the site now :) it's going to be a HUGE construction site
Skyline.Fan April 19th, 2008, 11:17 PM Is no nice building. :(
it's even worse :toilet:
ZZ-II April 20th, 2008, 01:09 AM i like the massive design, it's only a pity it is so far away from the main cluster
goschio April 21st, 2008, 06:24 AM Here for everybody to remember:
http://img133.exs.cx/img133/1343/modellecb1301052ar.jpg
Tom_Green April 21st, 2008, 11:08 AM Pics from yesterday
http://i29.tinypic.com/2eczt40.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/2ih49om.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/14b6k2h.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/33afn2x.jpg
http://i25.tinypic.com/nq8sav.jpg
Hyper April 21st, 2008, 03:56 PM it's even worse :toilet:
Hehe I don't agree... It is not so bad :)
HD April 23rd, 2008, 12:45 PM Skyline.Fan make up your mind! in post #146 you like it, now you hate it ...
anyway...looks like they are starting to drill
Skyline.Fan April 23rd, 2008, 11:00 PM Skyline.Fan make up your mind! in post #146 you like it, now you hate it ...
yup it sux
ZZ-II April 23rd, 2008, 11:10 PM you're difficult to understand ^^:D
FFM2007 April 23rd, 2008, 11:41 PM Ha Ha just wait until it's done and you may think different
For sure it seems a bit to fat on the renders and i was not happy about the design by now but even the best rendering can't show the reality after completition. So i'm quite optimistic now that this new tower will fit good to the skyline of Frankfurt. :cheers:
Skyline.Fan April 24th, 2008, 03:48 PM Ha Ha just wait until it's done and you may think different
For sure it seems a bit to fat on the renders and i was not happy about the design by now but even the best rendering can't show the reality after completition. So i'm quite optimistic now that this new tower will fit good to the skyline of Frankfurt. :cheers:
that's the little bit of hope which seems to crush under the huge burden of this architectural monster. i share your opinion by the way. ^^
goschio April 25th, 2008, 09:06 AM I quite like the latest renders, (early versions were horrible indeed). Its not too fat IMO.
And thanks for the updates. Keep up the good work.
Fab 5 April 25th, 2008, 11:56 AM Interesting to see the security fencing around the building site itself. Quite extraordinary given it's early days for this project. They are not taking any chances.
HD April 25th, 2008, 12:25 PM what's even more interesting is that when the project will be finished there won't be any visible fences around it.
goschio: what new renders?
derUlukai May 6th, 2008, 05:36 PM fresh new renders :banana:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/421/ezbrendertd9.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7375/ezbrender1iq6.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/9634/ezbrender2ri9.jpg
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9432/ezbrender3ju7.jpg
goschio May 6th, 2008, 05:49 PM Very nice. I like the entrance allot. And I don't think we have to worry about the color anymore. It will be Euro-blue.
Hope they will plant some interesting trees in the park. Perhaps some palms or redwoods.
Skyline.Fan May 6th, 2008, 05:51 PM i dont find words for this "thing" ...
cello1974 May 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM It is a very nice design. Somewhat blocky and simple, but very nice! :applause:
ovem May 6th, 2008, 06:09 PM hm... not sure if i like it
xlchris May 6th, 2008, 06:38 PM ^I don't ! So bad for Frankfurt. Please make another design!
EszettRocks May 6th, 2008, 06:44 PM Looks great. It really suits the location perfectly. A nice lonely landmark.. I hope it doesn't get company in the future; that would ruin the skyline.
ZZ-II May 6th, 2008, 07:19 PM I love it :okay:
Habanero May 6th, 2008, 09:03 PM I agree that from far away it looks quite fat, but i've seen renders and some huge models of it and the interior (the multi-storey atrium) looks absolutely STUNNING! :yes:
The only thing I don't like at all is its location. Personally I think that towers should be located near centers to form a cluster or at least add to the skyline.
ZZ-II May 6th, 2008, 09:06 PM yes, that's the only negative point at this project...but better than no tower :)
Eric Offereins May 7th, 2008, 12:26 PM I agre, I would prefer a location between the other towers.
cello1974 May 7th, 2008, 12:36 PM There should be more between the others. But this one is too massive for all the slender downtown buildings.
ovem May 7th, 2008, 02:31 PM finally i dont like it at all... frankfurt deserve more
HD May 7th, 2008, 04:54 PM great renderings derUlukai
the atrium between the two towers is going to be awesome
Tom_Green June 7th, 2008, 07:56 PM Pics from today.
http://i25.tinypic.com/xkqf03.jpg
http://i32.tinypic.com/21l51kh.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/iclrx5.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/317fhfl.jpg
The area seen from the Main Tower.
http://i28.tinypic.com/21kgnco.jpg
ZZ-II June 7th, 2008, 08:11 PM wow, good progress. thx Tom :okay:
Tom_Green August 8th, 2008, 07:56 PM Pics from yesterday
http://i37.tinypic.com/30jsmrk.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/rkszdc.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/20stwep.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/9rn87t.jpg
Aecio August 9th, 2008, 01:33 AM The design its fine but to be the European Bank should mean more height.
Still cool for Frankfurt. =)
goschio August 9th, 2008, 02:42 AM Too bad we might see a construction stop once the foundation is finished. The current design turned out to be too expensive (1.5 billion EUR) and a complete redesign might be necessary. The result could be a simpler less attractive tower.
Tom_Green August 31st, 2008, 12:23 PM Too bad we might see a construction stop once the foundation is finished. The current design turned out to be too expensive (1.5 billion EUR) and a complete redesign might be necessary. The result could be a simpler less attractive tower.
They have stopped :ohno:
Someone should change the thread titel to on hold
http://i36.tinypic.com/ygd1f.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2nkos7.jpg
Brightonboi August 31st, 2008, 02:51 PM lol.
goschio September 2nd, 2008, 03:11 AM They have stopped :ohno:
They might get rid of the controversial ground scraper. Heard it will be one of the most expensive elements of the whole project. I can live with that.
Justme September 2nd, 2008, 12:22 PM ^ Wasn't the "groundscraper" the part that used the original market hall? If so, I would have considered that to be the most important part. Afterall, that would have been the only part of the building open to the public (though probably in a limited way). Still, they ruined the design by splitting the original grand hall in two, breaking the impressive size of it.
goschio September 2nd, 2008, 12:34 PM ^ Wasn't the "groundscraper" the part that used the original market hall? If so, I would have considered that to be the most important part. Afterall, that would have been the only part of the building open to the public (though probably in a limited way). Still, they ruined the design by splitting the original grand hall in two, breaking the impressive size of it.
No, I was talking about that glass/concetre cube penetrating the hall.
http://diepresse.com/images/uploads/3/5/2/381778/coop20080506125513.jpg
p5archit September 3rd, 2008, 12:12 AM WOW! That was sudden. I worked on this project a number of years ago and I remember how expensive it was going to be- somehow, even then I was skeptical of how it things might turn out for the end product. Obviously the downturn in the economy is forcing them to reconsider big, bold expenditures- especially when shareholders might be a little wary to spend EUR 1.5 billion.
Anyways, I guess it will be a waiting game now.
p5
C-Beam September 13th, 2008, 05:51 PM Obviously the downturn in the economy is forcing them to reconsider big, bold expenditures
Actually it seems to be the opposite, it has more to do with the recent boom in worldwide economic activity than the downturn. The ECB was obviously looking for a single contractor who would have to commit to a fixed price. The financial risk would therefore have lied completely with the contractor. But due to a sharp increase in commodity prices in the first half of 2008 they only got one offer which was about twice the price they had hoped for since the contractor was calculating with high risk margins for further commodity price increases. If the world economy should go into a prolonged downturn though and commodity prices would stabilize at a lower level without much risk for another spike to the upside, the ECB will probably be able to get much better deals in the next months.
erbse September 13th, 2008, 06:02 PM I just hope they're going to proceed soon. It could end up pretty ridiculous otherwise...
Eric Offereins September 13th, 2008, 09:30 PM Too bad we might see a construction stop once the foundation is finished. The current design turned out to be too expensive (1.5 billion EUR) and a complete redesign might be necessary. The result could be a simpler less attractive tower.
Good time to find out. :bash:
ZZ-II September 14th, 2008, 01:07 PM can a mod please change the title to On Hold?
cSc September 14th, 2008, 04:47 PM I think it is not yet the time to put it on hold. There was just the press release (http://www.ecb.int/press/pr/date/2008/html/pr080625.en.html) saying that "the ECB formally closes the public tender for a general contractor to build the new ECB premises". It also says that "Over the coming weeks, the ECB will carry out an in-depth analysis of the various options for the next steps in the New ECB Premises project. The outcome of this assessment will be communicated in due course".
To be honest, this is nothing putting on hold. Following the estimations of insiders they will build it, as there are no real options, too much money has already been invested and the loss of image is too high.
Let's wait for the outcome of above analysis... :)
Jim856796 March 12th, 2009, 10:50 AM The only thing I don't like about the new headquarters is that diagonal structure that will be placed partially inside and partially outside the existing Grossmarkthalle. The European Central Bank was going to let the building's new function spread beyond its confines. I think that "structure" changes the Great Market Hall's external appearance and there is an agreement that the hall's external appearance may not be changed according to moral rights. And one more thing: I hope that the Grossmarkthalle should be cleaned up externally and internally for its future use.
schum-ho July 26th, 2009, 12:05 PM Seems like it's not looking that bad for the EZB / ECB. This is what someone wrote in the DAF forum:
Gute Nachrichten!
In der FNP-Online ist in einem Artikel über den geplanten EZB-Neubau folgendes zu lesen:
- Nach den Ergebnissen der Ausschreibung ist man zuversichtlich, den Kostenrahmen in Höhe von EUR 500 Mio einhalten zu können. Es wurden noch keine Preisangebote verlangt; die Interessenten mußten Referenzen und Nachweise bez. ihrer Möglichkeiten für ein solches Projekt erbringen.
- Pro Teilausschreibung haben sich 5-8 Unternehmen beworben.
- Innerhalb der nächsten 3 Monate müssen die interessierten Unternehmen Preisangebote abgeben.
- Falls das Budget eingehalten werden kann ist mit einem Baubeginn Anfang 2010 zu rechnen.
- Bisher sind bereits EUR 160 Mio in vorbereitende Arbeiten investiert worden.
So basically, an article of the FNP online says:
- they're most probably able to comply the budget of around 500 million €
- there are 5-8 contenders for any bidding part
- withing the next 3 months the interested companies have to offer their bid
- if they can comply their budget they could start the construction of the ECB Tower in the beginning of 2010
- they already invested 160 million € for preparations of the site
So, no reason to be that pessimistic don' you think :)
erbse July 27th, 2009, 04:18 PM I'd prefer if they wouldn't build the ECB at this place.
HD July 27th, 2009, 06:29 PM prep works start this autumn, actual construction starts in january. we can`t avoid this anymore.
SanMiguel September 28th, 2009, 09:09 AM When i was at Maintower in end of Aug'09 i think i saw the cranes were moving.
But i cannot swear it...
found following render on another forum.
Man, i wish they had choosen that version, i like it a lot more:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c94/gm2263/Other%20Cities%20and%20Regions/Frankfurt-EuropeanCentralBankRender.jpg
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Buyckske Ruben September 30th, 2009, 04:26 PM ^^^^
Wow very futuristic building i really love it !!!
goschio October 1st, 2009, 05:51 AM Yes, this would have been some crazy architecture. But it would be too expensive. They are already struggling to keep the cost under control with the current design.
derUlukai December 17th, 2009, 12:57 PM the tower got green light from the ecb. construction will restart in spring2010, planned completion in 2014. :banana:
virtual trip on the future ecb headqarter, dunno if already posted.. http://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/premises/intro/tour/html/index.en.html
Germanicus December 17th, 2009, 03:37 PM Pity! Firstly I don't think the Ostend is the right location for skycrapers and secondly I don't like the architecture of the Skytower, especially because it will not look even close to the rendering when its finished. Unfortunatelly those glassy towers never look that transparent and airy in reality. I would have prefered a new construction somewhere in the existing Bankenviertel. But anyhow, good to have a new construction side in Frankfurt soon.
goschio December 18th, 2009, 01:02 AM Fantastic news for Frankfurt. Can't wait to see it rising. :cheers:
And IMO, the Ostend is a great location. It used to be one of the worst quarters in Frankfurt and now its the shining star with lots of development.
current situation:
http://www.faz.net/m/%7B67A53E62-4542-49CE-A696-6130868B40BF%7DPicture.jpg
some renderings:
http://www.faz.net/m/%7BC41A36EA-91A1-4EB1-B221-5DA376CBA73A%7DPicture.jpg
http://www.faz.net/m/%7B9C5F8517-41E7-43A0-8ED6-1BB806089339%7DPicture.jpg
source: FAZ
kang rey December 18th, 2009, 10:20 AM Fantastic news for Frankfurt. Can't wait to see it rising. :cheers:
And IMO, the Ostend is a great location. It used to be one of the worst quarters in Frankfurt and now its the shining star with lots of development.
some renderings:
http://www.faz.net/m/%7BC41A36EA-91A1-4EB1-B221-5DA376CBA73A%7DPicture.jpg
http://www.faz.net/m/%7B9C5F8517-41E7-43A0-8ED6-1BB806089339%7DPicture.jpg
source: FAZ
nice rendering, hope it same with the real project
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