Danish Infrastructure - Everything here

[mlm]

Inspired by the thread about Croatian Infrastructure (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=178591) I though I would start one similar for Denmark.

This is for all things like:

Motorways and other roads
Railways
Airports
Bridges and Tunnels
Shipping, Ferries and Sea Ports
Energy

I'll start by reposting some posts from various infrastructure related threads to get it started.

[mlm]

Edited

[mlm]

Passenger Rail


We have 2 large passenger train operators in Denmark, the huge old one DSB, and Arriva. There's also a number of smaller railtracks with locally owned trains, but I wont show any of them now.

Lets start with Arriva.

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/arriva.gif

They operate on a number of the tracks in Jutland. They used to use some old trains of DSB, but they got new ones recently.

Class: CORADIA LINT 41
Number of sets: 29
Year in service: 2004
Max speed: 120 km/h
Power: 630 [kW]
Producer: ALSTOM, Salzgitter, Germany

(from www.arriva.dk)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/arriva1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/arriva2.jpg


Class: MR (old ones hired from DSB)
Number of sets: 15
Year in service: 1978
Max speed: 140 km/h
Power: 478 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/private/Arriva/AD_MR4099_Thisted2.jpg



And now DSB

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/dsb.gif

DSB still operates most of the Danish railnetwork, and they have tons of different trains. I'll just show you some of them.

DSB electric trainsets:

Class: ER
Number of sets: 17
Year in service: 1994
Max speed: 180 km/h

(all images are from www.railfaneurope.net if nothing else is written)
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/ER-IR4/er2002.jpg


Class: ER
Number of sets: 27
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/er.jpg


Class: ET
Number of sets: 24
Year in service: 2000
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/ET/20031006_033_et4318_dsb_r1058_malmoe.jpg


Class: MU/MM - 2nd generation (used on the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system)
Number of sets: 65
Year in service: 1975
Max speed: 100 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/stog2gen.jpg


Class: MC - 3rd generation (used on the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system)
Number of sets: 8
Year in service: 1986
Max speed: 120 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/dsb_mcfc.jpg


Class: SA - 4th generation (used on the Copenhagen "S-Tog" system)
Number of sets: 105
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 120 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/DSB122002.jpg


DSB diesel trainsets:

Class: MF
Number of sets: 92
Year in service: 1989
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MF-IC3/5001-5059/mf5235.jpg


Class: MQ
Number of sets: 12
Year in service: 2001
Max speed: 100 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MQ/dsb4953-1.jpg


Class: MR
Number of sets: 98
Year in service: 1978
Max speed: 140 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/dmu/MR/DSB_MR4069_Struer.jpg


DSB ordered trainsets:

Here we have the new IC4 trains which aren't operating yet, they are delayed. These new trains are developed by Italian Ansaldobreda and DSB.

Class: MR
Number of sets: 83
Year in service: 2005/2006
Max speed: 200 km/h
Price for each set: About 8 mil €

Some images of the first ones, currently being tested:

(© unknown)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic44.jpg

(from www.gregand.dk)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic41.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic42.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/ic43.jpg


Also comming are these smaller sets:

Class: MP
Number of sets: 23
Year in service: 2005/2006
Max speed: 180 km/h

http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=AndreBilleder&blobcol=urlandrebilleder&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1102662397255&ssbinary=true


And these, also part of the Cpenhagen "S-Tog" system:

Class: Se
Number of sets: 31
Year in service: 2004
Max speed: 120 km/h

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/emu/S-tog/DSB122002.jpg


They also have double deckers:

Litra ABs
Carts: 14

Litra B
Carts: 39

Litra Bk
Carts: 14

http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=AndreBilleder&blobcol=urlandrebilleder&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1100848905601&ssbinary=true

http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=AndreBilleder&blobcol=urlandrebilleder&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1101722882545&ssbinary=true


Finally we have Copenhagens new Metro "trains", these are operated by "Ørestadsselskabet":

(© Henrik Fredskild)
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/orestad2.jpg

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/m-train1.jpg

These trains has no driver:
http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/kob/islands-brygge-ramp1.JPG


Facts about Danish rail from www.bane.dk (Banestyrrelsen, who controls the Danish rail network):

2.323 km rail tracks
2700 Trains on the Danish tracks every day (= about 1 million each year)
38.000 departures and arrivals on the stations each day.

Passengers in 2003:

S-Tog: 88,3 million
Metro: 20,3 million (2004 it was 34 million passengers)
"Normal" trains: 77,1 million

In all on the Danish railnetwork in 2003: 185.859.000 passengers

[mlm]

Freight Rail


Here are some freight trains/locomotives from Denmark. All info and pics from that www.railfaneurope.net .

We have 2 freight operators here, DSB and Railion. Let's start with Railions trains (some are on loan from DSB):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/railion.gif

Class: EA
Number: 10
Year in service: 1984
Max speed: 175 km/h
Power: 4000 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EA/jbj3007rg.jpg


Class: EG
Number: 13
Year in service: 2000
Max speed: 140 km/h
Power: 6500 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EG/EG3103.jpg

This is one strong locomotive:D
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EG/eg3105.jpg


Class: MZ
Number: 7
Year in service: 1967
Max speed: 143 km/h
Power: 2426 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MZ/red-black/1401-1426/jbj1412od.jpg


Class: MZ
Number: 13
Year in service: 1978
Max speed: 165 km/h
Power: 2867 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MZ/red-black/1447-1461/DSBMZ1456.jpg


Class: MK
Number: 21
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 60 km/h
Power: 368 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MK/RLD_MK607_Esbjerg.jpg


Class: Köf
Number: 22
Year in service: 1966
Max speed: 45 km/h
Power: 94 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/shunter/dsb_koef.gif


And here we have the DSB ones:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/trains/dsb.gif


Class: EA
Number: 12
Year in service: 1984
Max speed: 175 km/h
Power: 4000 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/electric/EA/P3010004.jpg


Class: ME
Number: 37
Year in service: 1980
Max speed: 175 km/h
Power: 2426 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/ME/1523_2.jpg


Class: MK
Number: 1
Year in service: 1996
Max speed: 60 km/h
Power: 368 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/MK/dsb_mk602.jpg


Class: Köf
Number: 10
Year in service: 1966
Max speed: 45 km/h
Power: 94 [kW]

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/dk/diesel/shunter/dsb_koef.gif

[mlm]

Bridges and Tunnels

(edited for photos)

The longest bridge first (by span):

The Great Belt Link (Storebæltsbroen) is be the biggest bridge complex in Denmark. It consists of 2 bridges and 1 tunnel, and connects funen and zealand (18 km), and it was built in 1988 - 1998.

The 3 parts are:

The West bridge: Combines road and rail, 6.611 m.
The East tunnel: Rail only, 8.024 m.
The East Bridge: Road only, 6.790 m, but with a span of 1.624 m (currently 2. longest in the world). The 2 pylons does each reach 254 m above sealevel.


Øresundsbron between Denmark and Sweden:

Total lenght is about 16 km. It consist of a tunnel and a bridge. The tunnel is 3.5 km and the bridge about 8 km. There's a small island between the bridge and the tunnel.
Built in 1995 - 2000

Farøbroerne:

Connects Sealand and Falster and consists of 2 bridges.

Lenght: 1.726 m and 1.596 m
Built: 1980 - 1985


Storstrømsbroen

Locted just east of Farøbroerne we find this one.

Lenght: 3.199 m
Built: 1933 - 1937



Sallingsundbroen

Bridge in the northern part of Jutland.

Lenght: 1,717 m
Built: 1973 - 1978


Vejlefjordbroen

Bridge crossing the Vele Fjord, just outside Vejle.

Lenght: 1.712 m
Built: 1975 - 1980


Den Nye Lillebæltsbro

Car only bridge that connects Funen and Jutland.

Lenght: 1.700 m
Built: 1965 - 1970


Svendborgsundbroen

Connects Funen and Tåsinge (small island).

Lenght: 1.216 m
Built: 1963 - 1966


Den Gamle Lillebæltsbro

Also connects Funen and Jutland, rail and car bridge.

Lenght: 1.178 m
Built: 1929 - 1935

Some extra steel from the construction was used to built a 175 meter observation tower in Odense, but it was blown up during wwII:(



Langelandsbroen

Connects Langeland with Siø.

Lenght: 774 m
Built: 1960 - 1962


Dronning Alexandrines Bro

Connects Zealand and Møn

Lenght: 746 m
Built: 1939 - 1943


And the proposed Bridge between Denmark and Germany:

Fehmern Belt Bridge

Facts:

19 KM long
It will have 2+2 highway and 2 rail tracks.
It will take about 7 years to build, 2008-2015 is what they work with right now.
The price will be some 4 billion € (but it will probably end up being more, as projects this big often are)


These are the longest bridges here, but there is a lot more smaller ones.

(also some info in the Danish Bridges (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=123873) thread:) )

[Hviid]

Great pictures and great info!! :D Thanks a lot mlm :D

i have a few pics i'd like to post too if you dont mind, i dont really know any or have any information about them so maybe you could help me out here :)
This is an air-photo of the highway by Lundtofte..
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/lundtofte.jpg

And then i have some photos of Ferry's (which you didnt post any pics of :( )

DFDS Seaways alone has like 6 or 7 different ferrys ... i only have pictures of 2 of them...

DFDS Seaways - Crown of Scandinavia
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/dfds1.jpg

DFDS Seaways - Pearl of Scandinavia
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/dfds2.jpg

And then BornholmTraffikken
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/bornholmtrafikken.jpg

[mlm]

Airports


Copenhagen Airport (http://www.cph.dk)

Information
Passengers 2004: 19.034.585 (+ 7.5 % over 2003)
Operations 2004 (start or landing): 272.518
Area: 11,8 km2
Runways: 3 ( 3600 m, 3300 m and 2800m - Capacity if 83 operations pr hour)

Routemaps for Copenhagen Airport:

Normal Europe:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/Ruteeurope.gif

Charter Europe:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/Chartereurope.gif

Normal World:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/Ruteworld.gif

Charter World:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/Charterworld.gif


And to the photos, let's start with Copenhagen. I hope others will post pics of all the Scandinavian ones of interest (also some smaller ones:) ):

(all © Copenhagen Airport)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/3.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/4.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/5.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/6.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/7.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/8.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/9.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/10.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/11.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/12.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/13.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/14.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/15.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphairport/16.jpg



Billund Airport (http://www.billund-airport.dk)

Information
Passengers 2004: 1.849.799
Operations 2004: 50.827
Runways: 1 (3100m)

Denmarks 2. largest Airport, Billund, is still very far from cph. They also had an increse in number of passengers last year though.

Most of the traffic are to foreign destinations, only 159.193 passenger on national routes in 2004.

Billund airport opend a new termanal in 2002, replacing the old one. Their rutenet (direct flights to the red dots):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/ruter.gif


And the photos, first 3 are from the official website (http://www.billund-airport.dk) (they're from the opening and just before, that's why it's quite empty on some of them):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/3.jpg

The rest are my own:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/n1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/n2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/n3.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/n4.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/n5.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/6.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/7.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/8.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/9.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/10.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/11.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/12.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/13.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/14.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/15.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/16.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/17.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/18.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/19.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/20.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/21.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/billund/22.jpg



Aalborg Airport (http://www.aal.dk/)

Information
Passengers 2004: 643.970
Opetations 2004: 23.147
Runways: 2 (one asphalt 2650 m and one concrete/asphalt 2650 m)

3. Largest in Denmark is Aalborg Airport (I actually though it was Århus). In 2004 it had a total of 643.970 passenger, which is a small increse from 2003. Their new terminal opened in 2001.

Their routenet is quite small, they only have:

Aalborg - Copenhagen
Aalborg - Billund
Aalborg - Oslo
Aalborg - Helsinki (via Olso)
Aalborg - Kristiansand
Aalborg - The Faroe Islands (summer route only)

Photos from official website (http://www.aal.dk/):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aalborgairport/1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aalborgairport/2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aalborgairport/3.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aalborgairport/4.jpg



Århus Airport (http://www.aar.dk/)

4. largest in Denmark is Århus Airport (http://www.aar.dk) with 524.506 passengers in 2004. That's a decrese from 2003 on -9,5%. The decrese is mainly because Ryanair closed their Århus - Stockholm route. The airport is also located pretty bad, some 40-50 KMs from Århus.

Routenet:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aarhusairport/ruter.jpg

I can't find any images from the airport, but it's pretty old anyway:dunno:


There has in the last years been a lot of discussion in Århus about building a completely new airport. The new one would be located much closer to Århus than the current one in Tirstrup. I doubt it will ever happen though. Here are a few renderings of how the people behind it imagine it:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aarhusairport/ny1.gif

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aarhusairport/ny2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aarhusairport/ny3.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/aarhusairport/ny4.jpg

[mlm]

Great pictures and great info!! :D Thanks a lot mlm :D

i have a few pics i'd like to post too if you dont mind, i dont really know any or have any information about them so maybe you could help me out here :)
This is an air-photo of the highway by Lundtofte..]

Of course I don't mind, the hole point was to make other people post things too:)

Yep this first photo is just north of Copenhagen. It's in Gentofte municipality. I've actually heard that Gentofte is building some residentials mainly for immigrants in the "triangle" between the 3 HEAVYLY used road. Now that's just evil:(


And then i have some photos of Ferry's (which you didnt post any pics of :( )


Great! I haven't found any information about our ferries yet, so it's cool you post these:) I'll try to look for more....

[Hviid]

Are there any danish Cruise ships? Or does denmark only have ferries?

[mlm]

Nope I don't know about any Cruise ships, maybe some of the Copenhageners can prove me wrong though.

I'm currently trying to get more information about Ferries here. It's kind of a jungle, since there are a lot of differnet lines. I guess that's no wonder though with 408 islands:) Anyway, it's quite hard to find something usefull...

[mlm]

Okay the ships will have to wait. Now to something else...

Oil and Gas Platforms

The Danish Energy market is also kind of a jungle, but I found some nice images of Oil and Gas platforms from the North Sea. These are all owned/operated by Mærsk Olie & Gas A/S, which is a part of the huge Mærsk Group. Mærsk was givin the right to be the only operator in the North Sea until 2040 or something like that (only the Danish part of course).

And the photos, all from Maerskoil.com (http://www.sales.maerskoil.com):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/3.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/4.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/5.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/6.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/7.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/8.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/9.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/10.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/olie/11.jpg

[Hviid]

Here's a couple of photos of Mærsk's Shipping ships ..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/maerskship1.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/maerskship2.jpg
I like this picture .. it looks like its taken somewhere by the Faroe Islands .. but im not sure

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/maerskship3.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/DLL10101/maerskship4.jpg

[mlm]

I like this picture .. it looks like its taken somewhere by the Faroe Islands .. but im not sure

I doubt that. If you look in the background you'll notice some highrise looking buildings. None of those on the Faroe Islands as far as I know;)

But nice photos yes:) I would surely like to see more of the Mærsk ships, some of them are GIGANTIC:D

[Hviid]

I doubt that. If you look in the background you'll notice some highrise looking buildings. None of those on the Faroe Islands as far as I know;)

Ya your probably right

But nice photos yes:) I would surely like to see more of the Mærsk ships, some of them are GIGANTIC:D

I added 2 extra pictures ... i think you'll like the last one :) its HUGE! :D

[mlm]

Oh yeah, it sure looks huge:D

I also manaed to dig up a few, again from the mærsk website:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/2.jpg

This one is rather new, Cornelius Maersk. I think it's one of the worlds largest container ships (edited: whoops, I see it's just a larger version of the one you postet):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/3.jpg

[Hviid]

/\ yep :) ... I have to shrink most of the pictures i upload or else it takes up too much of my webspace .. Anyways .. Great pictures :D

I cant wait til you get more info/pics of the ferries! For some reason i love ships

[LoveCPH]

Der ER færger i Danamrk, det ved alle da

[John]

So many cool things in one thread, well done, Mik :okay:
Perhaps it would be not a bad idea to create similar threads about each country, this is really interesting.

[mlm]

Ferries


http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/molslogo.gif

Just a bit of information about this company, Mols Linien. They have 3 rutes, all from Jutland to Zealand. Here's the line map:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/molsrute.jpg


They have 6 ferries in all, 2 of each. Not the biggest ones, but they're quite fast (4 of them atleast):

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/mols1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/mols2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ships/mols3.jpg

[_alonso_]

perfect pics! :bow:

airport of København is so gorgeous! I have to use it every time, when i travel around, but i never ger bored of it :drunk:

[cphdude]

Der ER færger i Danamrk, det ved alle da

Nu var det ikke lige det der blev spurgt om....

Anyways, another great thread mlm...Just one small correction, the number of passengers have increased on the metro. The 2004 numbers says 34 million passengers...

[mlm]

Oh thanx cphdude, I didn't see these new numbers. I added it:)

I'll try to find more on the metro later, maps, info, pix and such (feel free to beat me to it if anyone wants;) )

[cphdude]

Oh thanx cphdude, I didn't see these new numbers. I added it:)

I'll try to find more on the metro later, maps, info, pix and such (feel free to beat me to it if anyone wants;) )

A bit of news from today on more metro -

03.03.2005

City Council politicians plan to use the proceeds from the sale of local power company Copenhagen Energy on more Metro and less debt

Copenhagen will get more Metro and better maintenance on public buildings once Copenhagen Energy (KE) is sold.

Even if the City Council still has not officially approved the sale of the local energy company to state-owned utility DONG, a council majority has already closed a deal on how to use the pre-tax profit of DKK 10.5 billion, daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten reported on Thursday.

The Social Democrats, the Centre Democrats, the Radical Liberal Party, and the Conservative Party are said to have agreed to use most of the proceeds on the planned Metro Cityring, an underground railway circle connecting most of the city's central train stations and neighbourhoods.

The Liberal Party was expected to agree to the proposal.

The city is to share a DKK 4-billion portion of the Metro bill with neighbour city Frederiksberg, leaving the government with a DKK 9.5 billion bill.

Apart from the Metro, the utility sale will be used to pay down the city's debt and fund maintenance on city buildings.

[Q-TIP]

Cute Country Denmark!

[Q-TIP]

From the motorway (speed limit) map, what is the driving times (in minutes):

From:
Copenhagen to Rodbyhavn :
Copenhagen to Odense :
Odense to Esbjerg :
Aalborg to Froslev :
Hirtshals to Aalborg :
Frederikshavn to Aalborg :
Aalborg to Arhus :

Or even a website (in english) showing driving distances in Denmark... :)

[Ringil]

go denmark! :)

[DenverDane]

From the motorway (speed limit) map, what is the driving times (in minutes):

From:
Copenhagen to Rodbyhavn :
Copenhagen to Odense :
Odense to Esbjerg :
Aalborg to Froslev :
Hirtshals to Aalborg :
Frederikshavn to Aalborg :
Aalborg to Arhus :

Or even a website (in english) showing driving distances in Denmark... :)

You can, for instance, use MapQuest for that - http://www.mapquest.com/directions/europe.adp

Just out of curiosity, may I ask you why someone from Sydney is interested in the Scandinavian/Baltic countries? ;)

@Ringil: 666 posts! :runaway:

[Ringil]

not anymore :D

[Hviid]

From the motorway (speed limit) map, what is the driving times (in minutes):

From:
Copenhagen to Rodbyhavn :
Copenhagen to Odense :
Odense to Esbjerg :
Aalborg to Froslev :
Hirtshals to Aalborg :
Frederikshavn to Aalborg :
Aalborg to Arhus :

Or even a website (in english) showing driving distances in Denmark... :)

Here you go :)

Copenhagen to Rodbyhavn : Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 38 minutes Total Est. Distance: 99.87 miles
Copenhagen to Odense : Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 46 minutes Total Est. Distance: 102.19 miles
Odense to Esbjerg : Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 25 minutes Total Est. Distance: 86.46 miles
Aalborg to Froslev : There are actually 3 cities in Denmark called Froslev, so i just chose the one in Sønderjyllands amt (which was the first option).. Im not sure if it was that one you were looking for... Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 40 minutes Total Est. Distance: 177.88 miles
Hirtshals to Aalborg : Total Est. Time: 42 minutes Total Est. Distance: 41.56 miles
Frederikshavn to Aalborg : Total Est. Time: 39 minutes Total Est. Distance: 38.89 miles
Aalborg to Arhus : Total Est. Time: 1 hour, 15 minutes Total Est. Distance: 74.46 miles



And i also tried to see how long it would take to go from the most northern part of Denmark (Skagen) to the most southern part (Sydfalster) and i got the following results:
Total Est. Time: 5 hours, 52 minutes Total Est. Distance: 332.34 miles

And then i tried it from Skagen to Dueodde (Bornholm) and got these results:
Total Est. Time: 9 hours, 46 minutes Total Est. Distance: 436.34 miles

Pretty interesting :)

[Q-TIP]

^Thanks. :)

Remember 1 mile= 1.609344 kilometres

[Swede]

^^Not even 6 hours from the north end of th ecountry to the south ? That's pretty smal ;);)
(Karesuando->Ystad Total Est. Time: 22 hours, 1 minute Total Est. Distance: 1205.02 miles)

[Hviid]

/\ well according to the map Denmark isnt quite as big as Sweden ;)

[_tictac_]

Small but dense ;)

[mlm]

Just found a few images of the Great Belt Bridge that I haven't seen before:

(© www.sundogbaelt.dk (http://www.sundogbaelt.dk/))
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/store1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/store2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/store3.jpg


And 2 from Ørestaden, close to Øresundsbroen, same ©:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ore1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/ore2.jpg

[Swede]

^I've used that station! I got of the metro and on to the Öresund train heading for Malmö. Didn't pay for that trip :)
There's only one thing to look at while waiting - Ferring :D Even those who aren't into skyscrapers study it (same thing happens in Kista).

[AtlanticaC5]

Those are some cool pix! Is the island at Great Belt Bridge natural or was it made for the bridge? (It looks like a bit of it is natural with that little house, wonder who lives there :))

[Hviid]

Those are some cool pix! Is the island at Great Belt Bridge natural or was it made for the bridge? (It looks like a bit of it is natural with that little house, wonder who lives there :))

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/store2.jpg

You mean this one?

I dont think its natural ... the shape and the curves look too "smooth" and too unrealistic .. i could be wrong .. but i think it looks very artificial :)

[Swede]

iirc most of it is artificial, but that hilly part with the houses and lighthouse is natural

[mlm]

The island is called "Sprogø" and it is natural. Though as Swede writes, it was changed a lot to "fit" the bridge and tunnel.

There's a nice old lighthouse on it. :)

[mlm]

I just found some photos of Sprogø during the construction of the bridge. It looks smaller than I though it was:

(Again © www.sundogbaelt.dk)

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/sprogo.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/sprogo1.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/sprogo2.jpg

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/bro/sprogo3.jpg

[Hviid]

thats awesome! so only like 10% of the entire island is natural

They should do that to the rest of Denmark, just so we dont have to be so small ;)

[cphdude]

thats awesome! so only like 10% of the entire island is natural

They should do that to the rest of Denmark, just so we dont have to be so small ;)
I seam to remember watching a tv program about a dane who lived out there part time, with som animals...Like a part time farmer/estate keaper...I think it was out there, but im not sure...

[tournesol]

wow, sure did put a lot of work into this thread mlm. Great job :okay:
I'm particulary fond of those aerials of the motorway at Ørestad City and the Ferring building. They're great!

[mlm]

Just an small update on the highway construction in Herning (or around actually). Here's the new intersection:

I think this photo is rather new, it's supposed to open in 2006:

(© Herning Kommune)
http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/kryds.jpg

[LoveCPH]

ER det motorvejen, der ikke er bygget på billedeT?

[mlm]

/\ The photo is real if that's what you're asking.

The finished motorway you see (the vertical one on the photo) is the Herning - Århus motorway, it opened in 2003.

The horizontal one, on the photo again, (Herning- Vejle) is currently under construction and this part will open next year.

Here's a map of the new roads. I've made a blue arrow in the same direction as the photo:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/herningkort.jpg

[tournesol]

Except that you've mixed up vertical and horizontal ;)

[mlm]

/\ I was talking about the vertical and horizontal ones ON THE PHOTO so I didn't mix anything up;)

But it could of course be misunderstood, so let me add a small note:)

[tournesol]

Oops, I guess I got that wrong :D

[mlm]

/\ np;)

Vejdirektoratet has made a Video about the construction of the Herning Motorway if anyone should be interested. It can be found HERE (http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/dokumentniveau.asp?page=document&objno=79797). It's the first in a series they want to make, to keep people udated with their large projects. I hope we'll see one for the new Svendborg- Odense motorway soon, that's also a pretty large project.

[Morten M]

@mlm
You have forgotten one train type in your list. The train that drives to the nearest station to where I live. The only lightrail train in Denmark:

Nærumbanens Regio Sprinter:
It drives from Jægersborg to Nærum along a creek called "Mølleåen"
http://www.info-sollerod.dk/Images/Naerum/NaerumBanen.jpg

http://www.ravnsbak.dk/Railway/denmark/narumbanen/photos/20041108%2033%20Jagersborg%20Narumbanen%20Railway%20Suburban%20Lightrail.JPG

http://www.ravnsbak.dk/Railway/denmark/narumbanen/photos/20041108%2032%20Jagersborg%20Narumbanen%20Railway%20Suburban%20Lightrail.JPG

http://www.ravnsbak.dk/Railway/denmark/narumbanen/photos/20041108%2031%20Jagersborg%20Narumbanen%20Railway%20Suburban%20Lightrail.JPG

http://www.ravnsbak.dk/Railway/denmark/narumbanen/photos/20041108%2028%20Orholm%20Narumbanen%20Railway%20Suburban%20Lightrail.JPG

http://www.ravnsbak.dk/Railway/denmark/narumbanen/photos/20041108%2025%20Jagersborg%20Narumbanen%20Railway%20Suburban%20Lightrail.JPG




Levering:

Antal togsæt:
Toglængde:
Max. toglængde:
Antal siddepladser:

Motoreffekt:
Max. hastighed:
Max. på Lokalbanen:


1999

4
24.8 m
2 sæt
67

2 x 228 kW
120 km/t
75 km/t


http://www.lokalbanen.dk/images/uploaded/diverse/nrm_takst.gif

[NorthStar77]

That is nice! How long is the track?

Btw. haven't had a chance to say this before, but this is a fine thread!:okay:

[mlm]

@mlm
You have forgotten one train type in your list. The train that drives to the nearest station to where I live. The only lightrail train in Denmark:


Oh yes, Thanx for showing it Morten:okay:

I found a photo of it for the big Rail thread, but I never managed to get all the Danish "Privaterails" shown here. This is by far the nicest of them though. :)

@ Northstar77: It's 7,8 km as far as I can see.

[Hviid]

hmm .. I know it wasnt in this thread, but there was a thread somewhere around here which was about DSB going international .. getting services up in Norway and Britian and such ... well i just found this article from denmark.dk , and it looks like bad news for DSB :(

Tuesday 03.22
DSB loses UK deal

The Danish state railway fails to win a contract to run trains in Great Britain

Danish state railway, DSB failed to win a contract to operate rail service on a lucrative route between London and Scotland. British rail company Great North Eastern Railway (GNER) won the contract, announced Britain’s Strategic Railway Authority (SRA) on Tuesday.

As expected, GNER, which currently operates trains on the line, won the contract to run InterCity trains along the British east coast between London and Scotland. According to SRA’s announcement, GNER will pay GBP 1.3bn (EUR 1.87bn) to operate the service.

DSB had hoped to add British train service to its growing list of international railway operations, which include a joint-Swedish rail line between Copenhagen and Malmöand train service in northeastern Stockholm. The railway has also bid on the operation of train service in the Oslo area and is interested in operating in Germany.

[mlm]

I'm pretty sure that was in the S&B stuff that moves on rails (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=179031) thread.

I saw a similar article yesterday, not the best news for DSB. I think they're also pretty soon deciding if they'll get that norwegian line.

[kjetilab]

It's the Gjøvikbanen between Oslo and Gjøvik the have made a bid for. The norwegian department of transportation will anounce the winner this summer....

[sander]

Quite an awesome rail network for so small country by area. Bridges are awesome too- very massive and impressive structures.

[LoveCPH]

Isn't it a kind of ringway ?

[mlm]

While looking for maps for the public transport thread, I found this rendering on the HUR website:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/cphtransport/hurtog.jpg

Does anyone know if these trains are in use now or just some future plans? I've never seen a train in these colors before.

[mlm]

Ah Doh, found the answer myself. HUR, which operates the 6 "local lines" on Northern Zealand ordered 27 or these new trains on January 28th, 2005. They look pretty much like the new Arriva trains we have here in Jutland.

[Hviid]

/\ pretty cool ... Do you know if theres anything new with the IC4 trains?? I tried looking at their website (www.dsb.dk/IC4) but i cant really find any info about when they'll be on the tracks or anything like that .. http://www.dsb.dk/servlet/BlobServer?blobtable=Billede&blobcol=urlbillede&blobheader=image/jpeg&blobkey=id&blobwhere=1109050414783&ssbinary=true

[_tictac_]

I believe the first ones will be in service in late 2005 / early 2006 (Aalborg - Aarhus - Odense - Copenhagen).
Don't hold me up on it though. ;)

[Hviid]

I believe the first ones will be in service in late 2005 / early 2006 (Aalborg - Aarhus - Odense - Copenhagen).
Don't hold me up on it though. ;)
That late?? damn ... i was hoping they would have been in service before summer 2005 .. :(

[mlm]

Yes Tictac, that's also the latest I've heard. Wouldn't be surprised if we'll have to wait even longer though.

[mlm]

North of Århus they have recently started to build a new motorway section. It is build by the county (normally the state build the motorways here) and it will be some 14 km:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/maps/motorvejaarhus.jpg

[zippo21]

man this is unbelievable...I'm affraid of hights so couldn't do similar work at all :)
http://img136.echo.cx/img136/6282/greatbelt66wo.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[cphdude]

Hey mlm, do you know when copenhagen is expected to decide on the metro city ring?

[mlm]

Nope haven't heard anything. But no matter what they decide it will take a loonooog time before it's constructed.

Here's the map with the 2 possible routes:

http://www.mikaellykmadsen.dk/skyscrapercity/maps/cityring.jpg

[cphdude]

I know the construction is expected to take 10 years...Which mean its more likely 13-15 years. But they had an article in berlingske about the traficsituation in copenhagen in 2015, and they talked abot maybe being ready by then...In other words a dicision date should happen soon, and i was just wondering when they had publicly said when they would decide...

[onetwothree]

I am soooo hoping they're gonna build it *Crosses fingers*

[cphdude]

I am soooo hoping they're gonna build it *Crosses fingers*
From what i could find out, people from copenhagen are talking to the people from Frederiksberg, to find out exactly what route to chose...When they have agreed on that, and a report is expected in the spring, they will start negotiation with the government, hopefully over the summer. The city hopes the government will alow the city to not pay taxes on the sale of Copenhagen Engergy, that the city sold recently, at a price of 10.5 billion. The city wants the money to be used for more metro, a tunnel under the harbour, and a renovation of the schools. If not, the city is only left with about 6 billion. Still, the city is only expected to pay about 4 billion kr. , together with Frederiksberg, so the money should not be a problem. So we just have to wait i guess. Spring is almost over, and i hope the report will come soon...

[onetwothree]

Over the summer? That sounds good enough for me, I just hope they'll decide the right thing. Hopefully, construction could start right away *dreams on*

So, Copenhageners, which route would you prefer? I tend to like the west bound better (over Frederiksberg)

[cphdude]

Over the summer? That sounds good enough for me, I just hope they'll decide the right thing. Hopefully, construction could start right away *dreams on*

So, Copenhageners, which route would you prefer? I tend to like the west bound better (over Frederiksberg)
I think that the one they are going with too. Eventhough the other one might bring more passengers. It need to service more of Frederiksberg, otherwise they wont pay their part of the bill. Anyways, they are still talking, but everything i have seen and read, says that a selution on the rute and the stations should be ready in the spring of 2005...And thats almost over. Could be that they are still talking, because they also need to agree on the financing...Anyway, when they do that, they need to design all the stations completely, alot of that is already done, and in tearms of the government, they have already okayed most of the plans, and agreed to hand over the ownership of Copenhagen Harbour, as their contribution to the financing. The harbour is expected to be worth 3 billion kroner. So i guess if they really hall ass, they could starte late 2005 or early 2006, since this time a lot of the process seams to have been planed in advance...But we might be to optimistic, i dont know...There is more on the city website, including some drawings of the new stations... There was also a new sugustions for the harbour tunnel yesterday, does enybody know more about that??

http://www.kbhbase.kk.dk/kbhbase/pegasus.nsf/url/metroring

[mlm]

Nice drawings. :)

I really think the metroring will be a HUGE improvement for the Copenhagen tranport system. An easy way to get around in the city itself will spare me many hours of walking, which I usually do when visiting Copenhagen. :D

Would sure like to know more about that new harbour tunnel too, haven't heard anything.

[cphdude]

Nice drawings. :)

I really think the metroring will be a HUGE improvement for the Copenhagen tranport system. An easy way to get around in the city itself will spare me many hours of walking, which I usually do when visiting Copenhagen. :D

Would sure like to know more about that new harbour tunnel too, haven't heard anything.
Actually this time i can give you a clip, since this was on DR, and they have to release it on the internet, It was on yesterdays Deadline 17.00, so if you go to this site http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/tv/1700/ and press MAN for monday, it will open. The story starts at about 15.55 minutes...They show some grapich too, and it all soundt good. Plus both venstre and the socialdemocrats are for the idea...

[mlm]

Wow, what a fantastic project. Thanx a lot for the link.

12 Billion dkr sounds like a lot, but it probably ain't that bad considdering what you would get out of it. The big underground parking lot/bus terminal also looks very interesting. Maybe they should make a stop on the new metro cityring there. :)

[cphdude]

Wow, what a fantastic project. Thanx a lot for the link.

12 Billion dkr sounds like a lot, but it probably ain't that bad considdering what you would get out of it. The big underground parking lot/bus terminal also looks very interesting. Maybe they should make a stop on the new metro cityring there. :)
One of the planed metrostops are suposed to be at amalienborg. That will be pretty close to the bust and parking terminal. But i guess they could move it closer to the habourfront... The project sounds great, and could also work great with the other project they are talking about with a tunnel on outer Østerbro...They could connect those too, and make most of the city free of cars...What also makes this project great, is that it is comprised by private citycins living in copenhagen, and not a buch of landowners from Nordsjælland, who owned all the land that was to be bought by the city...This makes a lot more sence...

[onetwothree]

I'm really excited about all the things happening in Copenhagen right now, the metroring, the harbour tunnel. I really hope they're gonna build them.

The harbour-tunnel especially would be very useful for me. Considering the building time (lets say 5 years + ), I would be around 20 by the time it's finished, maybe own a car and maybe still living in Avedøre (as I do now). Since the tunnel will start down here, commuting time to Indre City would be cut down by a lot

[cphdude]

I'm really excited about all the things happening in Copenhagen right now, the metroring, the harbour tunnel. I really hope they're gonna build them.

theres a pice in berlingske today, saying that they expect the final report on the route to released in 4 weeks time...And also that the metro price wil be up to 3 billion kroner higher...

The negotiation about financing between the city and the government is also expected to start very soon...

[staff]

Can someone please tell me about the harbour tunnel? Haven't heard about this project at all.

[cphdude]

Can someone please tell me about the harbour tunnel? Haven't heard about this project at all.
The harbour tunnel is an old sugestion, primarely designed to rid the inner city of cars. The problem today is, that the very bussy highway, RING 2, goes right through much of copenhagen city, including Konges Nytorv. That means more then 40.000 cars every day, most of whom dint really need to go that way. Its just the fastest. So the solution came to build a tunnel, going right dwn the middle of copenhagen and christianshavn, from the northharbour to the southharbour. About 6 kilimeters.

The current selution is longer, a bit more advanced, and seams to be a compromise of all other previus sugustions. The proposel is a tunnel, from Avedøre in south, to the Lyngbumotervej in north, with a giant hub in the middle. used for a 5000 car parking garage, and a bus terminal, mostly for longhall busses. This solves several problems, in adition to getting the trafic away from the city, most notably the need for more parkingspace, and the need for an alternative, short and easy acces to the new oprahhouse from the city,since the hub would be placed right there. The tunnel would be 10 kilimeters, with several accespoints along the way, in order to leave or get on the tunnel, like little stops along the way. By making the tunnel go all the way to the Lyngbymoterway, they will also rid the need for another tunnel on outer Østerbro, as some have been talking about, and still make Østerbro a lot more quiet and free of cars. And by making it go all the way to Advedøre, a lot more people in the subs can use it...

Some rendering of the previus project, also by the same group
http://images.bm4.metropol.dk/162/162430/162430_normal.jpg
I hope this explains it a little. THe confusion right now is big, and nobody seams to know what project is the best...I dont know how you danish skills are, but you might wanna check out the link i posten in an answer a few day ago from DR televesion. They are the only once who has been mentioning the new version of the project, and they explain it pretty well...If you undersand danish, that is...

[staff]

Danish isn't the easiest of languages, but I'll try. Looks like a cool project whatsoever. A lot is happening i byen...

[onetwothree]

cphdude, thanks for all the info on this!

Does anyone know where and how many on/off-ramps there will be? (if it gets buildt, that is) Or maybe that's not decided yet?

[cphdude]

Depending on the actual length of the tunnel, i would say 5 or 6, both against the city, and against amager. One in each end, Avedøre and Lyngbymotervejen, one in the south harbour and one in the north harbour, plus one 1-3 in the city area, mening the oprahhouse/nyhavn, and just north and south of that...That would be my guess, based on what the have talked about so far. Mind you, this is still very far of. We will probebly see a metro cityring before a harbour tunnel. The city are duing some study at the moment, but thay have also alrady decided to build a seperate parking garage for 800 cars at nyhavn, and a mini tunnel from nyhavn to the opera...Both would potentialy conflict tunnel...with the proposed tunnel....Maybe they will come to their sences and build the hole thing at once, but as long as they dont use it to avoid building the tunnel, im okay with it...

[cphdude]

from copcap

Metro line to Copenhagen Airport
23-06-2005

Location and infrastructure:
After nearly two years of construction work, a new metro section from Copenhagen city to the airport has reached a point where a topping-out ceremony is to be held.

The section, which covers a distance of 4.5 km from the existing metro Lergravsparken in the western part of the city to Kastrup Airport will be completed in the year 2007.

In that way the new metro route will connect Copenhagen airport directly with the centre of the city. According to the plan the metro will transport more than 25,000 passengers to and from the city every day.

There will be five stations on the route, which according to the timetable will be a ride of only ten minutes.

[Swede]

I'm guessing this new metro station will be connected to the existing trainstation (last station before the bridge)?

[mlm]

/\ Talking about the station at the airport, right?

If so, yes kind of. The train station is underground, while the metro station will be above ground. But yes, pretty much connected.

[Swede]

Yes, that's the one :)
So they'll at least be close to eachother, even if not integrated into a single transit-node, yes?
Sounds good.

[staff]

The new airport-metro station passes over the motorway, it looks really cool.

[mlm]

The station itself is actually also partly over the motorway. You can find a bit more HERE (http://www.m.dk/2007). :)

[Swede]

So staning on the platform waiting for the metro you'll actually be looking straight out along the motorway? way cool! :D
/whishes we'd build more subways too ;)

[staff]

Swede,

Hey, Stockholm has one of the best subway-systems I've ever had the chance to ride in. You should be proud. :)

[Swede]

Oh, I am. It's just that in the part of my life I can remember, there's only been one new station opened. And that one was at the other end of the system. :( ;)

[cphdude]

No news on the metro just yet, but the copenhagen group, the one working for a harbour tunnel, said that they have contacted the current mayor, to get a station at the harbour, (where the new royal theater and a underground parking facility in a future harbour tunnel would be), in sted of the planed location at Frederikskirken (marmor kirken). So far the city is saying no, and says that it will be a lot more expensive this way, and that not enough people will be using a station at the harbour. The copenhagen group however says that, the studdy does not take into a count the future tunnel. A tunnel would mean more passengers then at the planede location...The group says they plan to fight the dicision over the summer, to try and influence the plans...