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Business Times Singapore: Groundbreaking for Oakwood Premier Cozmo Jakarta, Indonesia

Property play back in Jakarta; Projects worth over US$2b set to transform the CBD

By Shoeb Kagda In Jakarta

JAKARTA'S central business district is undergoing a major transformation with more than US$2 billion worth of projects now underway.

Sensing that business sentiment is picking up strongly after more than six years of near flat economic growth, property developers are pushing hard to complete a slew of commercial, retail and upmarket apartment developments over the next two years.

Property experts told BT that apart from new developments, a number of mega projects that were mothballed during the 1998 financial crisis have found new investors and are being revived. Chief amongst them is the massive US$250 million Pacific Place development just behind the Jakarta Stock Exchange building.

Consisting of one office tower, two apartment towers, the luxurious Ritz Carlton Hotel, service apartments and possibly the largest shopping and retail centre in the city, Pacific Place will comprise more than one million square metres. In terms of distance, it will stretch more than 1.6 kilometres - the same distance from the Marriott Hotel on Singapore's Orchard Road to McDonald's House - when fully completed.

The first phase is expected to be ready in 24 months. The project will dominate the city skyline and is being dubbed Jakarta's version of Orchard Road, Singapore's famous shopping belt.

All the buildings will be linked by underground passageways for easy access and the area will be connected to the main Jalan Sudirman thoroughfare by tunnels as well as the proposed mass rapid transit system.

Its owner, Chinese business tycoon Tan Kian, has emerged as the most aggressive property player in the country and could over time rival the likes of the Ciputra Group.

Besides Pacific Place, Mr Tan Kian also owns the JW Marriott hotel in the Mega Kuningan area. He is in the process of developing the Ritz Carlton Jakarta across from the Marriott; two luxury apartment buildings; one office tower and one combined commercial and residential project.

The combined value of his property projects under construction is estimated to be more than US$1 billion.

BT understands that Mr Tan Kian made his money in the shrimp business through his family-owned Dua Mutiara Group but entered the property business in the early 1990s after developing its flagship office tower along Jalan Sudirman.

'Tan Kian is very aggressive but he is not the only player on the property scene at the moment,' said Jeffrey Hong, chief operating officer of PT Procon Indah. 'A number of mega projects are kicking off again...We are starting to receive a lot of inquiries about office space in the city. But this time, developers are taking a more sensible approach by not overextending themselves.'

Another major property player is Trihatma Kusuma Haliman, founder of the Agung Pudomoro Group. He is said to have built more than 10,000 apartment units in Jakarta over the past three years and is currently developing a number of luxury apartment complexes including the Peak and Pakubuwono.

Asia's second largest service apartment managers and developers, Singapore-based Oakwood Asia Pacific, is also bullish about the Jakarta market. The company had a groundbreaking ceremony for its 250 unit Oakwood Premier Cozmo service apartments last week. When completed in 2007, the US$50 million development will be the first five star service apartments to open in Jakarta in 13 years. The company also has plans to develop a residential apartment complex in Surabaya and a resort in Bali.

'We are very optimistic about the Jakarta market for the business traveller,' said Robert Philips, director of sales and marketing for Oakwood Asia Pacific.
Apart from service apartments and 22 owner occupied units, the development will also have 5,000 square metres of retail space.

The Mega Kuningan area is fast becoming Jakarta's version of Singapore's Suntec City as the area has high-end hotels, retail outlets and commercial developments.

The JW Marriott is just across from the Oakwood site while the Ritz Carlton Jakarta will open in May on an adjacent plot. The Ritz Carlton will comprise retail and commercial space.

'We think that the Mega Kuningan area in four years will be like Hong Kong's Pacific Place,' he said, referring to the upmarket retail complex located in the hub of the former British colony.

NOTE: I take it there there's a slight mistake in the above article... Pacific Place, I take it, refers to a development in the SCBD area , of which Ritz Carlton is NOT a part of. (RC is part of the Mega Kuningan development)

Wow! That's an awesome project. This whole 'Pacific Place' thing will stretch 1.6 km? They'll need to build a lot of shopping centers then.

Hats Off to Mr. Tan Kian........... He is also a very down to earth person - Good For Him. Good for the property business in Indonesia.....

:applause:Great news...Finally that area (SCBD) will get developed. This is where Club Store, Auto Mall and Electronic City is, right? The tunnels have been on hold for a long time, they should provide great access to the business center.

Yes , GreyX. Althoguh I believe those places you mentioned are only temporary and will be demolished and replaced by bleaming skyscrapers and shopping centers when the time comes! Particularly the AUtomall, it is the site of a 75-storey tower called the Signature Tower (my avatar) which is still on-hold till today.

Just a note, I will be posting all recently-taken photos on this forum this week, so stay tuned!!

Just a note, I will be posting all recently-taken photos on this forum this week, so stay tuned!!

I'll be waiting.....

Fantastic news, so pacific place and Mega kuningan are both owned by Tan Kian ?

cheers

Wow...then that guy must be real rich. Just curious, who's this Tan Kian guy? I dont think i've heard about him before.

Interesting...Automall looks like its pretty permanent. But i'd pick the Signiture Tower over it any day!:D

Tan Kian is the owner of both the Marriott and the Ritz-Carlton Jakarta// He does not own the land in SCBD, therefore he'll be developing the Pacific-Place project with the Artha Graha group (Tomy Winata). I browsed old posts in the Proposed thread of the Projects section...and found that someone had heard of the stalled Conrad project in SCBD being taken over by Tan Kian, which makes sense now...

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1129/ConradJakartaMixed-Use_Jkt.jpg
http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1859/ConradJakartaMixed-Use_JktSampoernaTower.jpg

The Pacific Place project may well include a resumption of Conrad or a rejuvenation of it via re-design or re-functioning.

cheers !

Alvin, you will like this article, they mentioned pacific place.

I think, the guy who sent this article is a property investor too. he seems know everything.

http://berita.kafedago.com/kirimkomentar.asp?beritaid=16890

DALAM legenda kerajaan di Jawa, Bandung Bondowoso berhasil membangun 999 candi dalam semalam. Si bangsawan yang kesengsem pada paras Ayu Roro Jonggrang itu dibantu ribuan jin. Di zaman milenium ini, Trihatma Kusuma Haliman memperlihatkan "kesaktian" serupa. Meski tak sedigdaya Bandung Bondowoso, Trihatma sanggup membangun rata-rata delapan unit apartemen per hari, tanpa bantuan jin atau dedemit. Melainkan dengan bantuan peralatan dan mesin modern.

Angka itu dihitung rata-rata dari proyek apartemen yang didirikan dalam kurun 2001 hingga 2007. Nilai fantastis itu disodorkan pengamat properti Panangian Simanungkalit. Menurut perkiraan Panangian, dalam rentang waktu 2001 hingga 2007 nanti, bakal terbangun 40.000 apartemen di seluruh Jakarta. "Separuhnya dibangun oleh Agung Podomoro Group pimpinan Trihatma," ungkap Panangian. Tidak salah jika saat ini Panangian menjuluki Trihatma sebagai raja apartemen.

Meski berkubang aset trilyunan rupiah, kantor pusat Grup Agung Podomoro tampak sederhana. Trihatma memilih sebuah rumah bercat putih dua lantai di Jalan Danau Sunter, Jakarta Utara, sebagai pusat komando bisnisnya. Lantai pertama difungsikan sebagai tempat pembayaran berbagai urusan properti. Suasananya agak ramai. Banyak orang duduk-duduk menunggu, persis seperti di loket pembayaran telepon. Lantai II untuk aktivitas manajemen. Dari bangunan itu, Trihatma mengendalikan kepak sayap bisnis propertinya yang kian moncer.

Nama Trihatma meroket di dunia properti berkat gebrakannya mengurung Jakarta dengan "hutan beton" pasca-krisis moneter. Hebatnya, hanya dalam rentang waktu dua tahun antara 2002 dan 2003, ia berhasil membangun delapan proyek apartemen pencakar langit secara serentak. Mulai Gading Mediterania Residence di Kelapa Gading, Mediterania Garden Residence di Tanjung Duren, Mediterania Gajah Mada, Mediterania Palace Residence di Kemayoran, Gading Resort Residence di Kelapa Gading, Pakubuwono Residence di Kebayoran Baru, The Peak di Jalan Sudirman, dan Mediterania Lagoon Residence di Kemayoran.

The Peak yang menjulang megah di kawasan Sudirman, menurut Trihatma, termasuk 50 apartemen terbaik di dunia. Bangunan mewah 55 lantai itu menawarkan 400 unit apartemen, yang per unitnya dibanderol minimal Rp 1 milyar. "Tingkat huniannya sudah mencapai 65%," ungkapnya. Sedangkan Pakubuwono Residence, yang terdiri dari 600 unit apartemen, tiga perempatnya sudah ludes terjual.

Pengusaha umur 52 tahun itu juga mengucurkan duit untuk pembangunan Plaza Semanggi, yang dibuka pertengahan tahun lalu. Pendek kata, apa pun bangunan yang didirikan Trihatma, selalu laris. Panangian memperkirakan, total investasi Trihatma di sektor properti, secara akumulatif, mencapai Rp 15 trilyun. Urutan kedua dipegang pemain lama, Ciputra, dengan total investasi Rp 10 trilyun. Disusul Grup Lippo, dan Grup Duta Pertiwi dengan investasi Rp 8 trilyun, serta Tan Kian yang mengucurkan dana Rp 7 trilyun.

Dibandingkan dengan para pesaingnya, Panangian mengibaratkan Trihatma sebagai burung yang rajin bangun pagi atawa "the early bird". "Burung yang bangun pagi akan mendapat cacing lebih banyak," kata Panangian. Begitu pula Trihatma. Waktu pengusaha lain masih asyik tidur, ia sudah beranjak dari ranjang. Menurut Panangian, Trihatma termasuk salah satu pengusaha properti yang sangat cepat mengambil momentum, sehingga bisa bangkit lebih dulu ketimbang pengusaha properti lainnya.

Kini Trihatma mengendalikan 31 proyek properti berskala besar di Jakarta dan sekitarnya, termasuk pusat-pusat perbelanjaan. Ia baru saja menuntaskan proyek di Mangga Dua Square dan Plaza Semanggi. Sebuah pusat perniagaan bertajuk Forum sedang digarapnya di seberang Plaza Senayan. Forum mengemban ambisi menjadi salah satu ikon baru pusat perbelanjaan Indonesia.

Untuk mengomando proyek-proyek tersebut, setiap pekan Trihatma mengunjungi satu per satu proyeknya dan mengarahkan bawahannya. Ia pun selalu menyempatkan memimpin rapat antar-direktur hingga manajer. Teknis dan detail setiap proyek tak pernah lepas dari pengawasannya. Maklum, ia sempat menyenyam pendidikan teknik sipil di Kaiserslautern, Jerman. Kuliahnya tak sempat dituntaskan, lantaran ia harus menggantikan mendiang ayahnya melanjutkan bisnis Agung Podomoro.

Di samping itu, Trihatma juga dikenal sebagai pengusaha yang pintar berdiplomasi dan santun dalam bertutur kata. Menurut bawahannya, Trihatma tak pernah berperilaku layaknya bos besar. Ia pun lebih suka mengenakan batik ketika bekerja. "Untuk mempermudah kalau ada kondangan," kata seorang staf Trihatma yang enggan diungkap jati dirinya. Banyak mitra kerja yang memuji sikap Trihatma yang selalu menangani berbagai persoalan secara dingin.

Sikap Trihatma bertolak belakang dengan karakter Tan Kian. Naga properti urutan enam itu, menurut mitra kerjanya, cenderung meluap ketika sedang emosional. "Tak segan-segan kuli bangunan pun jadi sasaran umpatan," ungkap mitra yang yang tak mau disebut namanya itu. Namun diakuinya, pemilik JW Marriott itu bukan tipe pendendam.

Menurut si mitra, dalam mengembangkan bisnisnya, Tan Kian sangat percaya pada feng shui. Misalnya, ia percaya angka 21 sebagai angka hoki. "Semua rumah dan mobilnya bernomor 21," katanya. Atas hitungan feng shui pula, penggemar BMW dan Ferrari itu selalu menata ruang kerjanya menghadap ke timur.

Nama Tan Kian terkatrol berkat kemasyhuran Hotel JW Marriott. Sebelumnya, hotel itu masih satu kompleks dengan Apartemen Syailendra dan Plaza Mutiara. Namun hotel berlantai 33 dengan jumlah kamar 330 itu tak berkembang pesat. Padahal, di samping hotel ini sedikitnya ada lima kedutaan besar asing, yakni dari negara-negara Skandinavia seperti Denmark, Irlandia, Swedia, dan Norwegia.

Tan Kian menerima uluran tangan John Willard Marriott Junior --atau Bill Marriott Junior-- untuk mengelola hotel tersebut. Operator hotel terkemuka di Amerika Serikat yang dikabarkan memiliki 2.000 jaringan hotel berlabel "JW Marriott" di seluruh dunia itu langsung menggenjot manajemen. JW Marriott pun menjadi hotel bintang lima paling bergengsi di kawasan Jakarta Selatan. Khususnya bagi warga asing dan para pejabat tinggi asing yang singgah di Indonesia. Meski sempat rontok diterjang bom pada 2004, JW Marriott bisa dibangun kembali oleh Tan Kian dan Bill Junior.

Berikutnya, Tan Kian mendirikan bangunan kembar pencakar langit 46 tingkat yang berjuluk Ritz Carlton. Letaknya persis di seberang JW Marriott. Kompleks hotel yang dipadu dengan pusat perniagaan dan apartemen di kawasan Mega Kuningan itu bakal dibuka dalam waktu dekat. Bangunan anyar yang dibuat mirip menara kembar World Trade Center ini direncanakan menjadi bangunan tertinggi di Indonesia setara Petronas di Malaysia.

Ritz Carlton bakal berdampingan dengan Rumah Sakit Merial Medica International, Menara Orienta, Apartemen Bellagio, Apartemen Airlangga, dan sekitar 52 kavling perumahan elite yang sedang dibangun di kawasan Mega Kuningan. Di areal elite yang dibangun kroni Cendana pada 1990 itu, lahan dijual seharga US$ 2.500 atau sekitar Rp 20 juta per meter persegi.

Tak mau ketinggalan langkah, sebelum Ritz Carlton kelar, Tan Kian sudah merencanakan bangunan baru bernama Pacific Palace di kawasan SCBD, Jakarta Selatan. Proyek bergengsi itu dikerjakan bersama Grup Artha Graha, dengan menggandeng kontraktor asal Jepang. Rencananya, kompleks apartemen mewah, hotel, dan kawasan perniagaan itu dibangun hingga 36 tingkat. Pacific Palace diproyesikan menjadi apartemen termegah di Jakarta.

Selain kedua pengusaha itu, pemain yang kini disebut-sebut sebagai naga baru di bidang properti adalah Soetjipto Nagaria. Dengan kendaraan PT Summarecon Agung, Nagaria terus meraung di kawasan Kelapa Gading, Jakarta Utara. Kiprah Nagaria di lawasan "mulut naga" ini sebenarnya sudah sejak 27 tahun lalu. Ia masuk ke Kelapa Gading pada 1976, ketika kawasan itu masih didominasi rawa dan lumpur. Pria bersio naga ini kemudian membebaskan lahan hingga 500 hektare.

Di atas lahan itulah kini berderet bangunan komersial seluas 20 hektare. Mulai pusat perbelanjaan modern Kelapa Gading Mall 1, 2, dan 3, Gading Food City, bursa mobil, hingga bangunan baru La Piazza. Di sisi kiri dan kanan jalan Bulevard Raya, bercokol ruko sepanjang 4 kilometer. Boleh jadi, inilah kawasan ruko terpanjang di Indonesia.

Di kawasan itu pula, Nagaria berniat mengembangkan proyek apartemen dan hotel. Kawasan Kelapa Gading yang masih tersisa bakal disulap menjadi Sentra Summarecon, sebuah kawasan bisnis paling luas di Indonesia yang dipadu dengan apartemen. Nagaria juga sedang mengembangkan kota bisnis Gading Serpong. Meski saat ini banyak pesaingnya yang ingin mereguk manisnya bisnis di Kelapa Gading, toh Nagaria masih layak disebut sebagai raja di kawasan elite itu.

Kiprah naga-naga properti, terutama di perumahan dan apartemen mewah, menurut Panangian, lantaran mereka jeli menangkap peluang pasca-krisis moneter. "Ada segelintir kelompok yang tidak terpengaruh oleh krisis karena menyimpan uang di luar negeri," katanya. Krisis yang membuat sektor perbankan ambruk mengurangi kepercayaan mereka terhadap perbankan. Duit nasabah kelas kakap itu pun melayang-layang mencari lahan untuk hinggap. Momentum inilah yang dimanfaatkan para pengusaha properti.

Kebetulan, keuntungan di sektor properti masih cukup menggiurkan. Itulah sebabnya, sewaktu terjadi booming properti pada 2002 dan 2003, para pembeli apartemen bukan pemakai langsung. Mereka adalah investor, yang membeli untuk dijual lagi. "Inilah yang tidak disadari oleh pemain lama di bidang properti," ujar Panangian.

Kondisi itu, menurut pengamat hukum properti Erwin Kallo, melahirkan fenomena baru: broker atau fund manager apartemen. Sekelompok orang patungan membeli apartemen, lalu menyewakannya hingga empat tahun, kemudian dijual. "Sudah kayak arisan," kata Erwin. Bahkan apartemen yang belum jadi diserbu peminat.

Erwin menilai hukum ekonomi yang berlaku di sektor properti agak unik. "Apartemen yang belum jadi biasanya lebih mudah dijual. Sebab, kalau sudah jadi tapi belum ada yang beli, citranya malah anjlok," tutur Erwin, yang juga aktif di Asosiasi Real Estate Broker Indonesia.

Tengok saja Daksa Residence, apartemen baru di wilayah Kebayoran, Jakarta Selatan. "Semua unit telah terisi," ujar Adrian Priohutomo, Portfolio Manager PT Koll Ipac, perusahaan manajemen apartemen asal Amerika yang mengelola Daksa Residence. Di sini, hanya ada 29 unit apartemen dengan harga Rp 2 milyar sampai Rp 3,5 milyar per unit. Ketika serah terima kunci dari PT Laksana Cahaya Anugrah selaku pengembang, semua unit apartemen sudah terisi.

Tingginya tingkat hunian apartemen bukan saja terjadi di Daksa. "Hampir sebagian besar apartemen di Jakarta laku keras," ujar Adrian, yang juga dosen di Pusat Studi Properti Indonesia milik Panangian. Tak terkecuali di Apartemen Simpruk Terrace yang dibangun PT Amanda Graha Sentosa sejak 1997. Dengan jumlah unit mencapai 129, apartemen setinggi 21 lantai ini ludes terjual. Apartemen yang terletak di wilayah Simpruk itu dihuni oleh ekspatriat (umumnya warga negara Jepang), bos perusahaan multinasional, pengusaha, hingga artis.

Beberapa pemilik, menurut Adrian, menjadikan apartemennya sebagai lahan investasi. Maklum, pola senya-menyewa apartemen sedang ngetren saat ini. Sebuah apartemen tipe tiga kamar ukuran 150-170 meter persegi, misalnya, disewakan US$ 2.500-US$ 3.000, atau Rp 23 juta hingga Rp 27 juta, sebulan. "Padahal, modalnya sekitar Rp 2,5 milyar," ujarnya. Berarti satu tahun sudah balik modal.

Handoko Wignjowarga, periset dan pemilik konsultan properti bernama Maestro, melihat fenomena pemasaran di bidang properti seringkali tidak sehat. Terbukti, meningkatkan harga sebuah produk dalam tempo cepat, misalnya tak lebih dari enam bulan, tidak diimbangi keuntungan bagi pemakai langsung. "Ada pihak yang membuat seakan-akan produk properti itu diminati orang, sehingga masyarakat berbondong-bondong membeli produk itu," kata mantan Direktur Century 21 itu.

Padahal, daya tarik tersebut hanya akal-akalan para broker. Masyarakat ingin mendapat keuntungan menggiurkan dalam jangka waktu sesaat. "Faktanya, hal itu tidak semudah membalikkan telapak tangan," ungkap lulusan planologi Institut Teknologi Bandung, angkatan 1982, itu.

Erwin Kallo curiga, sektor properti menjadi ajang pencucian uang, mengingat pesatnya penyerapan dana di bisnis ini. Tapi, menurut dia, hal itu sulit dibuktikan. "Sebab kita tidak menganut sistem pembuktian terbalik," ujarnya. Ia bahkan mengimbau, daripada capek membuktikan adanya praktek cuci uang, lebih baik memikirkan perlindungan buat konsumen yang masih terabaikan.

Apalagi pertumbuhan sektor properti makin dasyat belakangan ini. Kapitalisasi pembangunan 25.000 unit apartemen dalam lima tahun terakhir mencapai Rp 25 trilyun. Padahal, sebelum krisis ekonomi, nilai pembangunan apartemen selama lima tahun hanya Rp 15 trilyun.

Riset terakhir Procon menyebutkan, pada kuartal terakhir 2004, transaksi di pasar properti justru didominasi apartemen kelas menengah ke bawah. "Peningkatan pembangunan apartemen, karena permintaannya membludak," ungkap Manager Marketing dan Komunikasi PT Procon Indah, Gita Maharani Koroh. Di antaranya adalah Graha Cempaka Mas, Kondominium Rajawali, Apartemen Laguna, dan Apartemen Riverside.

Para naga properti pun sudah mengincar ceruk pasar yang kian terkuak itu.

No wonder the Artha Graha building is in SCBD:D

The renderings you posted above are :eek:

David, nice article man... really enjoyable. you should consider translate it into English...;)


(out of topic: you settle down in JKT now Dave?)

Thanks for the article Dave, it basically tells everyone what's currently going on in Jakarta.

@Alvin, in one of your Pacific Place rendering post, the building carries the Sampoerna logo. Are those supposed to belong to Sampoerna?

Hi David,

I wish the article could be translated in english , it must be a nice article ,it s a pity it s only in Indonesian , I only read and understand a few lines .

ditto

Thanks for the article Dave, it basically tells everyone what's currently going on in Jakarta.

@Alvin, in one of your Pacific Place rendering post, the building carries the Sampoerna logo. Are those supposed to belong to Sampoerna?
hey, those renderings aren't Pacific Place, they're the Conrad mixed-use complex which remains on-hold till now...but I suspect the PP will be built on the Conrad site if not a resumption of Conrad. Before the crisis, that building belonged to Sampoerna...but I don't know about now.

Thanks for the article , Dave, I read it in Gatra last week. :)

hey, those renderings aren't Pacific Place, they're the Conrad mixed-use complex which remains on-hold till now...but I suspect the PP will be built on the Conrad site if not a resumption of Conrad. Before the crisis, that building belonged to Sampoerna...but I don't know about now.

Ohh...thanks for the clarification Alvin. I quite liked the design. Hope it gets built.

LOL, yes tata, but far far away...banten province to be exact.

I will find the english version for you guys, i think gatra has it.

cheers

CONFIRMED: Pacific Place = Conrad

The resulting property is called tentatively the "Ritz Carlton-Pacific Place Apartment Residences".

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1129/ConradJakartaMixed-Use_Jkt.jpg

Check out Collier's latest report here: www.colliers.com/Content/Repositories/ Base/Markets/Indonesia/English/Market_Report/PDFs/4q2004.pdf for an update of upcoming projects in jakarta...you'll be amazed by how many there are! In summary between 2005-2007 there will be at least 12 office developments, 54 strata-title apartments, 10 leased/service apartments, and 12 retail projects.

Woowwwwww
So cool
I wish I have some disposable income to buy some of those apartments =D

www.pacificplacejakarta.com


The information and data from this thread are not officially correct, bentuk.com has been emailing skyscrapercity to explain everything. Thus the title of the thread has been renamed.

Thank you

David N aka David-80

Chief Indonesian moderator.

Thank you for sharing, Pretty impressive and welcome to ssc! :)

Just wondering, what the name of the taller building on the pacific place website?

cheers

OMG, beautiful!! :eek2:

let me post it here so everyone can see
http://www.pacificplacejakarta.com/front-b.jpg


thankyou and welcome to the forum! Bentuk is lucky huh?? Hope to hear more updates from you. :D

oh, I might as well ask you while I'm at it: how many storeys and how tall are these towers??? (in meters)

wowie...looks greatt

but they dont look tall tho..the tallest might rise above 200 M..

but man oh man...jkt is coming ladies n gents!!

my feeling is that that tallest building in the illustration is not part of the Pacific Place - you can see that its still very 'rough' and its design subejct to change. I believe that it is actually a rough illustration of the 75-storey Signature Tower.

See here
http://www.scbd.com/images/vision.jpg

that's the old plan of SCBD. You see the Conrad (the three towers) - where the new Pacific Place will stand - and right behind it is that super tall Signature Tower..
haha hopefully the Signature Towre will get re-designed to look better!

comparison of old and new plan, also helps you understand what I'm talking about:

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1129/ConradJakartaMixed-Use_Jkt.jpghttp://www.pacificplacejakarta.com/front-b.jpg

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maybe ur friend knows more bout all the upcoming mega projects in jkt...yeah sure invite him herre...

the tall building is yet to be named and to be confirmed. clearly signature tower looks better and taller than the new/proposed building. i think it should be 60-65 storeys. The completion date of Pacific Place phase one would be Nov. 2006 and the 2nd phase starts end of 2006 and will be completed end of 2009.

wopde, welcome to the forum!
BTW, ask your friend if he wants us to suggest him a name for the building. I'm sure a lot of skyscraper freaks here would volunteer ;)

Oh yes, please invite your friend to this forum, we'd love to hear from the designer himself!

By the way, when you say Phase 2, do you refer to the tall building? (And phase 1 refers to the 3 shorter towers?)

Your friend is indeed very lucky. He gets to work on all Tan Kian projects - Pacific Place, Ritz Carlton, Sudirman Plaza/Mayflower.

Wopde, make sure you post any new pictures about these 3 projects here first! ;) :naughty:

Another project that's still shrouded in mystery is the Grand Indonesia re-development project. Wopde, you got any info on that?

wopde, another thing I don't understand:

"Consisting of one office tower, two apartment towers, the luxurious Ritz Carlton Hotel, service apartments and possibly the largest shopping and retail centre in the city, Pacific Place will comprise more than one million square metres. In terms of distance, it will stretch more than 1.6 kilometres - the same distance from the Marriott Hotel on Singapore's Orchard Road to McDonald's House - when fully completed.

The first phase is expected to be ready in 24 months. The project will dominate the city skyline and is being dubbed Jakarta's version of Orchard Road, Singapore's famous shopping belt.

All the buildings will be linked by underground passageways for easy access and the area will be connected to the main Jalan Sudirman thoroughfare by tunnels as well as the proposed mass rapid transit system. "

I don't think the Pacific Place we're talking about here is THAT big ..i.e. 1.6 km?? do you know what this article is talking about?

Hum...
If you look closely to the render and the illustration
We can see very small cars there... so..
Assuming the cars in the pics is 1 mm long and say actual car is 3 meters long
And by ruler I can see the length of the buildings is 110 mm
So the length of the building is 110 x 3 = 330 meters in length
Its way short than 1,6 Km (1600 Meters) :D

Maybe 1.6km is when all the shopping floors put next to each other..
1600 Meters / 330 meters = ~5 floors of shopping levels?
Does my calculation make sense?
hehehehehehhehehehehe
:D :D :D :D :D

haha I don't think so, it seems to imply a looong strip of shopping center..
one hint is that the article mentions the Ritz Carlton hotel + apartments as part of the Pacific Place project...could it be that Tan Kian intends on connecting (through a pedestrian underpass or otherwise) Pacific Place to the Ritz Carlton shopping complex in Mega Kuningan??! :wink2: only then would it possibly stretch 1.6 km....

Yeah,
I think that what they means by 1.6 Km :)
Pretty long

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yesh it does a lil bit, only the one standing in HK is a liiiiiitle bit taller...

wopde, thanks for your response. Here it is:
http://www.scbd.com/images/map.jpg

Btw - it is very simple to post pics on this forum. when you find an image you wanna post, right click it, properties, then copy the URL. and then on your message thread, click on the "insert image" icon (yellow button with 2 mountains and a sun) and paste the URL in.
the final form should be URL

and yes, I agree it looks like the IFC, just uglier :tongue3:
Hopefully that's not the final design :D

hey hey hey!!! JUST RIGHT AFTER I posted that last message , the web-masters removed the third tower from the image!!!! which confirms my hypothesis - the design isn't final.

LOL, maybe hes thinking to design the new one or gets the signature tower back on track. I hope for the latter one!

cheers

:eek: Sweet! I like the two side towers of the old design better than the ones in the new design though. The center tower in the new design has improved.

the new design follows a trend of the increasing use of minimalism and glassy facade for Jakarta's upcoming skysrapers...note the two towers' resemblance with the Ritz.

David, you might wanna move this thread to the Projects section :D

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wahh, thanks for the news, wopde. By the way, do you, by any chance, have any news on whether the infamous Sentra BDNI project postponed since 1998 would be resumed anytime soon? with all the property boom I see in the city, seems as if its only a matter of time before a developer picks it up and resumes its construction, at least that's what we all hope :D

some pics:

http://www.lera.com/pimg/bdni/7156161_large.jpg
http://www.lera.com/pimg/bdni/3091254_large.jpg
http://www.lera.com/pimg/bdni/3391173_large.jpghttp://www.lera.com/pimg/bdni/7278149_large.jpg

latest news: the missing tower is currently being redesigned, it should be taller and looks better. The tower on lot 6 will be 70+ storeys and might just be sub 400 m in height. my wild guess that it will be probably 375 m at the most, considering it doesnt have any spires or antenna on top of it. Meanwhile the tower at lot 8 will be 40 storeys.

Wow, thats so cool....I hope it goes up to 400m! thanks for the update.

cheers

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haha, they want to create a comparable place to HK's Pacific Place in Jakarta, I guess.
Its surprising that Jakarta still has no 'Times Square' - I've been to HK's, Shanghai's, Beijing's and KL's!

you mentioned lots 3,6,8. Does that mean that Lot 7 will be a shopping center complex?

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don't you guys think there will be a retail crash ??? so many space & developments ... but the brands and retailers are still the same ... same old players, same old brands ...

Yea you right, I hope they will come up with something new, what do you think the anchor for lot 8 which is a shopping complex?

cheers

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one large potential anchor that hasn't reached indonesia would be Daimaru. Or even Takashimaya... Isetan, anyone? haha I don't know, i'm just throwing in names here.

or what about neiman marcus, saksfifth, or barneys?

one large potential anchor that hasn't reached indonesia would be Daimaru. Or even Takashimaya... Isetan, anyone? haha I don't know, i'm just throwing in names here.

Different markets just behave differently i guess. For example, Sogo and Daimaru didn't do well in Singapore, tho Sogo is doing pretty well in Indonesia. Isetan would be a good addition to Jakarta's anchor tenants tho. :D

or what about neiman marcus, saksfifth, or barneys?


Absolutely ,those names you mentioned should enter the jakarta stage and also just like Alvin mentioned Takasimaya

Absolutely ,those names you mentioned should enter the jakarta stage and also just like Alvin mentioned Takasimaya


Also Lane Crawford, Harold's, Seibu (to come back in again)......

I guess Isetan would do very well in Indonesia judging from the popularity of the ghost movies and reality shows on TV.

Harrods must be a good choice as anchor tenant at Pacific Place since I heard Takashimaya will occupy International Plaza (Mega Kuningan).

wow.. ive never heard of most of these department stores... are they comparable to robisons may, macys, sears etc.. in terms of what they sell, or do they resemble more higher-end department stores like bloomingdales or nordstroms... or even higher higher end department stores like neimanmarcus, saksfifth n barneys?

627, those are Asian (mostly Japanese) brands. As for those you mentioned, they are American, and I've only came across them by name only. Harrods would be a good tenant, but I'm unsure if they can be an anchor tenant.

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far out, the pacificplacejakarta.com website have been delayed again to 28 March....:(
wopde, got any news mate?

i find it ridiculous how they can't even live up to their set deadlines... especially when they failed to do so twice already. :bash:

i find it ridiculous how they can't even live up to their set deadlines... especially when they failed to do so twice already. :bash:
hehehe typical Indonesians ...very flexible with time :D

That tower on the left is very similar shape to PwC building under construction in Melbourne now...

gday mate, the design of this project has been changed. CHeck out the projects section, or visit www.pacificplacejakarta.com
cheers :)

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the website is up, guys! no new information or pictures, unfortunately..

haha yeah... well i sort of already expected it to be vague, just as woopee had warned us. but what bugs me is that the website has a TON of grammatical errors, which defintiely does not suit the "exlusive stature" of this project... BIG pet peeve :bash: :bash:

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what's the difference between the marketing and the actual number of floors? and why would they eliminate floors that consist of the number four? i dont get it... haha

Four = "si" = death - in Chinese. Superstition.... :)

the website is clearly aimed for marketing & selling purpose. not for us ... hehehe.

My friend told me One pacific place will be 43 storeys but i'm not sure if its marketing or actual levels. there's this new trends to exclude level 14, 24, and 34 and anything that relates to the number 4. it used to be only 4 and 13 ... I wonder what will they put after level 39 ??? Straight to 50 ???

Two pacific place is currently on the drawing board, rumours has it that it will be 75+ storeys and it will look somehow like crossbreed between Union Square (HK) & IFC (HK) ... let your imagination runs wild and try to picture it in your brain.

I think Union Square & IFC has pretty much the same basic design & concept, but the details on the facade that will make a big difference.

well, assuming they exclude all 4s, then 43 storeys can't be marketing...because simply by definition, the top floor cannot contain a '4' in it. :D

Any word on the height (in meters) of all the buildings ??

I just realised...
this new 60-storey proposed tower on Jl. Gatot Subroto looks a lot like Union Square Phase 7 - something your friend might want to consider...you wouldn't want to have two very similar buildings in the city :D

http://www.bciasia.com/images/news/Prod/006/n_327006/sekdesinc.jpghttp://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/569/4023hkunions.jpg

well... both buildings are very beautiful..
is the 60-storey building in jakarta approved yet?

well... both buildings are very beautiful..
is the 60-storey building in jakarta approved yet?
I'm not sure what the status of that building is, but I suspect so.

In Jakarta, real estate gets a new lease of life

Donald Greenlees International Herald Tribune
Monday, April 4, 2005

JAKARTA Lately the Indonesian property magnate Tan Kian has been selling, on average, almost one apartment a day. That is good business, considering that each of his luxury apartments in central Jakarta sells for $1 million to $2 million. ‘‘We have no ads,’’ Tan said of the 80 units in his Pacific Place development, due to open in 2006. ‘‘We are selling by invitation only. In the past two months, I think we have sold about 58 percent.’’ The rapid sales and high prices of Tan’s apartments in a string of developments altering the Jakarta skyline are evidence of a new business confidence after years of economic stagnation and political uncertainty.

In the midst of an economic upswing, developers are rushing to complete shopping malls, hotels, office towers and apartment buildings. In Jakarta alone, 72 apartment buildings are due to be completed by the end of 2007, according to Colliers International, a property analyst. Developers are also currently planning or building 19 major retail centers. The cranes dotting the city feed the ebullient mood in business, in contrast to the deserted construction sites that were the most visible signs of economic wreckage after the 1997 financial crisis. More than $2 billion is estimated to have been invested in construction projects in central Jakarta. The scale of construction investment is reminiscent of the pre-crisis days of former President Suharto, as are the projected economic growth rates. In this year’s budget, the Indonesian government forecast growth of 5.5 percent, while the International Monetary Fund says that with continued economic changes, ‘‘over the medium term, Indonesia’s economy could grow in the 6 percent to 7 percent range.’’ The growth is coming mainly from consumer demand and some increase in private investment.

The banks appear to share the enthusiasm for the construction sector. From the start of 2004, lending for construction has risen 60 percent, to 19.6 trillion rupiah, or $2.1 billion, according to figures from Bank Indonesia, the central bank. Still, there are a few voices of caution, including Bank Indonesia, which has warned against excessive growth in real estate lending. Michael Broomell, managing director of Colliers International Indonesia, says that some property developers overstate the extent and speed of sales. With the apartment supply expected to double over the next three years, he said, the risk of an oversupply is great. ‘‘How is it going to get absorbed?’’ Broomell asked. ‘‘Even if the developers can sell it, who is going to live in it?’’ As for the rapid growth of retail space, he adds: ‘‘I wonder whether there will be lights on.’’ Still, developers say that buyers are plentiful. Large numbers of people purchase apartments even before they are built in anticipation of a quick capital gain. Developers say some projects are sold out by the time of completion, including those with million-dollar price tags.

Tan’s 60-unit luxury Airlangga Apartment, attached to a Ritz Carlton Hotel that he is also building, is sold out ahead of its planned opening on May 1. Tan says his privately held Dua Mutiara Group will own 21 completed buildings by the end of 2006. He has $1 billion in projects under construction. Tan, who inherited from his father a company with interests in chemical dyes and seafood supply, said he survived the economic crisis by being cautious. ‘‘We kept our debt very low,’’ he said. ‘‘We are a conservative family; we grow our business conservatively.’’

Funding for his projects, including the sprawling Pacific Plaza with its 1.6-kilometer, or one-mile, pedestrian walk, retail arcade, hotel and apartments, comes ‘‘mostly from advance sales of the apartments and current income,’’ he says. But Tan is familiar with both business and political risks in Indonesia. His JW Marriott Hotel was the target of a terrorist bomb in 2003 that killed 12 people, closed the hotel for several weeks and cost $8 million in repairs and lost sales. The Marriott, directly opposite Tan’s Airlangga Apartment and Ritz Carlton, is now heavily fortified. Even so, another bombing outside the Australian Embassy last year cut hotel occupancy rates in half, although they recovered to almost 70 percent in March. The dangers posed by the security situation are underscored by the origins of the money feeding the property boom. Analysts and business people say that Indonesians, particularly those of Chinese origin, who deposited money in offshore safe havens during the economic crisis and political instability after 1997 are bringing it back. ‘‘If you talk to business people they say that the money that has come into Indonesia is mostly money that was parked by Indonesians in Singapore and Hong Kong,’’ says Muhammad Chatib Basrie, research director of the Institute of Economic and Social Research at the University of Indonesia. He says that this capital inflow, which rose strongly in the final months of 2004, has fueled the growth in property prices and the stock market. Investors have been looking for, and getting, quick returns. The Jakarta Stock Exchange composite index was up 45 percent last year and is up 7 percent so far this year. Tan says apartments that sold off-the-plan for $1.6 million last year fetched $2 million by the time construction was finished. But he knows the good times can go as quickly as they come. ‘‘You have to show it is safe to invest,’’ he says. International Herald Tribune

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Latest info : The monorail will pass through SCBD and will be stationed at Two Pacific Place ... which is great. We'll ride the monorail to Pacific Place next time ...
great! can't wait till the monorail is ready

Can you guys spare me $2 million.

lol would be nice to have one of those units.
Anyway, I wonder how long this boom will last. I think its definitely slowing down, we'll see less new projects introduced this year than last year..

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OK tell you honestly
the owner of the JW MARRIOTT HOTEL ,THE RITZ-CARLTON , LIPPO CENTRE (where the Dragon City restaurant located (hope u know)) THE PACIFIC PLACE , THE PLAZA ASIA/ABDA ,AND THE APARTMENT JUST BESIDE THE PLAZA ABDA/ASIA (i think SUDIRMAN MANSION) is actually my grandfather best friend he owned the property called " DUA MUTIARA " last weekends i asked my grandfather is it possibly to meet him on june holidays and he SAID ; YESSSSSSSS
LUCKYYYY!! :)
AFTER I MET HIM I WILL UPDATE U GUYS ABOUT HIS PROJECT :runaway:

KEEP WATCHING!!! :sleepy:

looking forward to the inside scoop from you :)

looking forward to the inside scoop from you :)
ok thanks of course i will update

so whats the latest news??

Quote from my posted awhile ago :

Conrad, SCBD (hold-on), October 2004 :

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/6934/14-Oct-2004-2.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=14-Oct-2004-2.jpg

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/5306/14-Oct-2004-4.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img20&image=14-Oct-2004-4.jpg

... meaning that they haven't started constructing, or in this case, dismantling the previous structure?

... meaning that they haven't started constructing, or in this case, dismantling the previous structure?
They probably started already...Joko's pic was taken a while go..

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OMG..I love it :runaway: :runaway:

THANKYOU!!

But it sure looks like the Union Square Phase 7 :D

How tall is it, wopde?? :cheers:

Btw, I would sortof prefer if the base wasn't connected to the buildings :) But I guess for practical purposes, you would want that sortof structure.

cheers

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:eek: WOW...thats impressive!

wooohaaaa its about time....finally great news! thnx wopde!!

how tall will they b in meters wopde? especially d tallest 1 :D thats d 1 we all want 2 no..

Wow!!!
So nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where's the monorail station btw?

me a bit late...should have waited bit longer....but wow 340 at least thats tall...:D

Let me rephrase what i said, it looks more like the 1 and 2 IFCs...:D But damn right describing them like a hybrid of IFC and USP7.

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hehehe...we posted within seconds of each other:D

When is the completion year for this project? It is pretty grand:okay: And the monorail station is an excellent idea

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well i guess the next step would be...exceeding the 400 meters boundary:D:D:D
well who will that be guys?? care for a lil guessing game:D:D

anways man oh man im still in shock :P

hehehe...we posted within seconds of each other:D

When is the completion year for this project? It is pretty grand:okay: And the monorail station is an excellent idea
Phase 1 - the 3 towers at the front will be completed by end 2006. Phase 2, the two taller towers, will start at the completion of Phase 1 and will finish by end of 2009.
Correct me if I'm wrong, wopde.

can't believe we are all constantly refreshing our screens to see who's replied! hahah

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fun isnt it alvin??

anyway im out for now....g2g2 college...tty'allL

:cheers: :cheers:

the monorail station is in between the 2 tall towers. see the 1st picture ... there's an open space with glass roof, and you can actually see the 'rail' of the monorail coming in and out from the complex.

Whoa!!!
The monorail will actually goes INSIDE the building!!!
Thats been my dream man!

On a second note...

You WILL create another shocking post when you actually post the colored image
Hehehehe

On a second note...

You WILL create another shocking post when you actually post the colored image
Hehehehe
hehe I love this forum :cheers:

Wopde, would you have good renderings of Sudirman Plaza/Mayflower apartments?

Thats......crazy!!

wopde, i saw ads on newspaper that debenhams will have an anchor in senayan city or something. Maybe they will have an anchor too in pacific plaza?


cheers

Thats......crazy!!

wopde, i saw ads on newspaper that debenhams will have an anchor in senayan city or something. Maybe they will have an anchor too in pacific plaza?


cheers
Debenhams already have a store in Plaza Indonesia too, I doubt they would want to have 3 shops?

lol would be nice to have one of those units.
Anyway, I wonder how long this boom will last. I think its definitely slowing down, we'll see less new projects introduced this year than last year..

agree! i think last year has the most

fantastic! but the design rather boring i think

dhieeem the boom slowing down already??? thats not goood....u guys expecting the second wave of construction booming in the near future?

probably.. after all the transportation projects are done.. we might see more projects.. hehehe big ones

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great, i look forward to it.

yo, wopde. Got the Sudirman Plaza renderings yet? :D

here's KL's version of a UP7/IFC look alike:
http://www.veritas.com.my/port_varc_office/comm_lotC1big.gif

Your friend is an Australian? or studied in Australia?
How come the design is so Australian.

hi everyone, excuse me for not introducing myself.
to make it short, i'm a self confessed architecture fanatic ... :)

first of all, this project was already brewing way back in sept/oct '04. my friend (the designer) was very busy up and down jakarta, singapore and hong kong doing some case studies.

at the beginning he was very reluctant to release details, but in '05, as Pacific Place leaks on several newspaper, it's imminent that the project will soon break cover.

the tall building is yet to be named and to be confirmed. clearly signature tower looks better and taller than the new/proposed building. i think it should be 60-65 storeys. The completion date of Pacific Place phase one would be Nov. 2006 and the 2nd phase starts end of 2006 and will be completed end of 2009.

my friend was indeed a lucky bastard, he gets to work on those yummy projects ... in fact, i might invite him to this forum. anyone wants his email ??? hehehehe ...

sorry this is a bit late, but..
i would bet and am sure to win that the ownerS really like the number "21"
they have used the number "21" as long way back to the 60s. The ownerS are "old money" and very rich even since the 60s.

apparently it's due to the owner's superstition. 28th march is lucky day, 21 is not. they calculate everything down to timings ... eg. ground breaking, topping off ...

don't expect too much from the website since it will be very very general. they don't want to expose too much since this is very exclusive project, especially the apartments.

my friend told me the website was finished way back in oct 2004 !!! he just have to punch a button to launch it.

sorry this is a bit late, but..
i would bet and am sure to win that the ownerS really like the number "21"
they have used the number "21" as long way back to the 60s. The ownerS are "old money" and very rich even since the 60s.

I might just add the number "21" was taken from
a Mandarin Chinese saying "Pu Kuan San Chi Al Se Ie" literal translation
is "Don't Care 3x7 = 21." It means "to go ahead no matter what will happen"

28 May 2005 :

http://img98.echo.cx/img98/3172/28505pp18oa.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img98.echo.cx/img98/3172/28505pp18oa.jpg

27 May 2005 :

http://img98.echo.cx/img98/9976/27505pp17lj.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img98.echo.cx/img98/9976/27505pp17lj.jpg

http://img98.echo.cx/img98/6780/27505pp26hk.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img98.echo.cx/img98/6780/27505pp26hk.jpg

http://img98.echo.cx/img98/9303/27505pp38nw.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img98.echo.cx/img98/9303/27505pp38nw.jpg

29 May 2005 :
http://img279.echo.cx/img279/8412/29505pp16zh.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img279.echo.cx/img279/8412/29505pp16zh.jpg

great to see it rising..extrodinary building, indeed

yoo i'm back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

this time i take the pics is not so good due to the pollution and weather and also the speed of the car !

this one taken 06 july 2005:

i think it is stop u/c as u see there is no cranes at all!

http://img295.echo.cx/img295/8268/dsc011378gw.jpg

I work in BEJ, rite in front of Pacific Place.. the moment i found this forums, i'm super excited... grab my mini O2, find a spot to take pacific place image.. buttt... *sigh* it's dark already!!! tomorrow morning, i'll give u the pics.

I work in BEJ, rite in front of Pacific Place.. the moment i found this forums, i'm super excited... grab my mini O2, find a spot to take pacific place image.. buttt... *sigh* it's dark already!!! tomorrow morning, i'll give u the pics.
Welcome to the forum!! Yeahhh, another Jakarta correspondent ...located in SCBD too :okay:
keep us up to date with this one + capital residence pls . cheers :D

woohoo.. welcome hadiwinata
cool.. we're gonna get so many pics and updates..

Hi Guys . I m confused , are they going to built Pacific Place or not cause Encon just told us that he saw no cranes when he was there ???? And if they do did they start constructing it ??

aw where are the pictureS? :runaway:

aw where are the pictureS? :runaway:

here you go buddy.... :)

http://img219.echo.cx/img219/1686/picture0011ku.th.jpg (http://img219.echo.cx/my.php?image=picture0011ku.jpg)


http://img115.echo.cx/img115/8553/picture0023wg.th.jpg (http://img115.echo.cx/my.php?image=picture0023wg.jpg)


http://img9.echo.cx/img9/4413/picture0032ni.th.jpg (http://img9.echo.cx/my.php?image=picture0032ni.jpg)

http://img88.echo.cx/img88/3514/picture0040jq.th.jpg (http://img88.echo.cx/my.php?image=picture0040jq.jpg)

http://img88.echo.cx/img88/5033/picture0058gp.th.jpg (http://img88.echo.cx/my.php?image=picture0058gp.jpg)

:eek2:

Hi Guys . I m confused , are they going to built Pacific Place or not cause Encon just told us that he saw no cranes when he was there ???? And if they do did they start constructing it ??

From what i see, i would answer Yes and yes for your question... :cheers:

Very good pictures man.

Very good pictures man.

Sony Cybershot will do.... hehe.. Thanks :cheers:

nice pics man!

awesome! thanks man! :) :)

but i stil cant tell whehter theyre going up or down.. are they stll demolishing the previous structure, or are they erecting the new one? anoyne care to fill me in here? :)

awesome! thanks man! :) :)

but i stil cant tell whehter theyre going up or down.. are they stll demolishing the previous structure, or are they erecting the new one? anoyne care to fill me in here? :)
yeah, that's a mystery for me too. anyone know??

i think its both because u can see that theyre erecting some pillars in the middle, but theyre stll curshing that tall block. but iiii dont know hehe

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5568/picture0167cd.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0167cd.jpg)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7307/picture0171hl.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0171hl.jpg)

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/5568/picture0167cd.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0167cd.jpg)

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7307/picture0171hl.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0171hl.jpg)

thanks for the updates

finally they resuming i thought it was going to be cancelled !

wow.. massive...

NICE!!...i wonder how jakarta will look like in the next 3-4 years..

is this a hotel or a mall...

Its got the RItz Carlton suites (VERY exclusive hotel), high-end apartments and an upmarket mall...this is one of the most exciting developments in the city!

Its got the RItz Carlton suites (VERY exclusive hotel), high-end apartments and an upmarket mall...this is one of the most exciting developments in the city!


you mean u this one not ordinary Ritz???

more exclusive??

great

you mean u this one not ordinary Ritz???

more exclusive??

great

Yes, I think it will only have 60 rooms or soemthing, it'll be the most exclusive hotel in Jakarta CBD..

60 rooms?

The name will be "the Grand Ritz Carlton"

semoga indonesia maju....:D:D:D:P

8 July 2005 :

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3092/8705pp15fn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3092/8705pp15fn.jpg

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/646/8705pp23wv.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/646/8705pp23wv.jpg

From the outside: 4 July 2005

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/7638/pacificplace3oh.jpg

the website's updated with a new picture!

dang...!! massive..i wanna live there~

Thanks! I would have preferred if they kept the middle bit an open square with greenery & plaza and outdoor shopping - that was the original plan (with the Conrad), with 3 storey level underground retail space..
anyway here's the pic:
OLD:
http://img47.exs.cx/img47/1129/ConradJakartaMixed-Use_Jkt.jpg

NEW:
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/7182/pacificplace9ld.png

wow.. massive.. so ritz carlton not only have 2 towers.. but another one here in pacific place... crazzyyy

nice...!!!

25 July 2005 :

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8977/25705pp13gp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8977/25705pp13gp.jpg

http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/595/25705pp25ql.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/595/25705pp25ql.jpg

looks big :)

I hope they fix the pavement when this thing opens...

I hope they fix the pavement when this thing opens...

MAKE IT MORE BIG LIKE ORCHARDS !

19 August 2005 :
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9022/19505sp18fl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9022/19505sp18fl.jpg

why I dont see progress compared to picture in July?

thanks for the update

this one's a realllll slow one

Lets see if they can really stick to the Nov 2006 deadline

,,

www.bentuk.com is up!

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/3623/onepp8hr.png
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2331/onepp25ry.png

glassy...
i like..
but cant hardly wait for the tall ones being built

look simple yet grand :D

the interior of the Shopping center:
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3952/ppbig8ko.jpg

may i knoe how many phase of PP going to be built or is it this one only and there is no more phase of PP

cos look at this:
Consisting of one office tower, two apartment towers, the luxurious Ritz Carlton Hotel, service apartments and possibly the largest shopping and retail centre in the city, Pacific Place will comprise more than one million square metres. In terms of distance, it will stretch more than 1.6 kilometres - the same distance from the Marriott Hotel on Singapore's Orchard Road to McDonald's House - when fully completed.

from Marriott Singapore to Mc Donald's House it is quite far u know.....

if PP only this projects i don't think it is that far

so i guess still got other PP phase right??

Wait, they're building another Ritz Carlton hotel in Jakarta? I'm confused...

Anyway, from the rendering doesnt look like it's going to be 1.6 km long.

Yes. Pacific Place will have with it Jakarta's 2nd ritz carlton hotel (the first one being in mega kuningan).

and the project that's shown up there is only the first phase of the entire pacific place project. tehre's more to come, and when they are all put together, itll be 1.6 miles long

i cant find the rendering of the full thing that wodpe posted last time.. i think he took it off but doesa ny one have it saved on their hardrive?

Yes. Pacific Place will have with it Jakarta's 2nd ritz carlton hotel (the first one being in mega kuningan).

and the project that's shown up there is only the first phase of the entire pacific place project. tehre's more to come, and when they are all put together, itll be 1.6 miles long

i cant find the rendering of the full thing that wodpe posted last time.. i think he took it off but doesa ny one have it saved on their hardrive?

Yes, you are right, this is only the first phase. The second phase will apparently commence in late 2006 to complete by late 2009. It will consist of more retail space, an 80 storey office and a 50 storey office tower. There's a valid reason why the full rendering wopde posted last time was taken off, and so I will not post it here..

:) do u think u can send it privately please?

:) and any updates?? :)

:) and any updates?? :)

yes, Hadiwinata or anyone! please take pics of the site!!

26 September 2005 ;
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6286/1pas17xt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/6286/1pas17xt.jpg

Thanks joko. Seems like it is taking forever! But at least it is progressing...

wha Joko also in BOOM time so much Pics :D

JOKO ada Forum Senayan sama Grand Indonesia gak :D??

Thanks joko. Seems like it is taking forever! But at least it is progressing...

I share your opinion Alvin. Is there any forumer works in SCBD especially in JSX building? Would love to hear if the progess is significant or too slow.

I share your opinion Alvin. Is there any forumer works in SCBD especially in JSX building? Would love to hear if the progess is significant or too slow.
hadiwinata works in JSX building..

It's not slow, they working on the fondation/basements first, we cannot see the progress. When they finished fondation, it will raise fast....

It's not slow, they working on the fondation/basements first, we cannot see the progress. When they finished fondation, it will raise fast....


i agree they doing slow cos of the foundation once finish it will rise :D


rise :D and RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE :D

Info:

it will not open next year but 2007

also it will include Jakarta's first 8 screens state-of-the-art, IMAX style cinema provide

It's not slow, they working on the fondation/basements first, we cannot see the progress. When they finished fondation, it will raise fast....

I see.... I was thinking that the basement was there so I thought they can just continue constructing the floors above... aparently not that easy :(

Info:

it will not open next year but 2007


How'd you get this info?

How'd you get this info?


i know the owner :D :jk:

from their official website :D

thanks JOKO

ur my HERO :cheers: :)

I see.... I was thinking that the basement was there so I thought they can just continue constructing the floors above... aparently not that easy :(

Cos they change the design, so they have a complicated work to modified the fondation and basement, it takes time..no worries mate!
Compare to Shangri La Residence, they don't change the design.. and you can see now it has a crane and soon be rise up !!

Cos they change the design, so they have a complicated work to modified the fondation and basement, it takes time..no worries mate!
Compare to Shangri La Residence, they don't change the design.. and you can see now it has a crane and soon be rise up !!


mind to take us a pictures?? :D

mind to take us a pictures?? :D
what do u mean? he already posted recent shangrila pictures..

ini mall kalo dah jadi keren kali yah..cant wait jek..
pa lg menara 80 lantai kalo jadi nanti, ada monorel segala...kereeen jeeek..

11 October 2005 :

http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/144/1asia13ex.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/144/1asia13ex.jpg

http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/7248/1asia27bl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/7248/1asia27bl.jpg

any progress here jok?

dunno what happen to this projects today I saw it (at night) so no pics :D

there's is no crane at all !! But i see some cars with some cement inside

BTW here some renderings how it will look like :D

the walkway:

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/215/dsc036801lu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7111/dsc036793qp.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

does this mean another project , an important one , that won t be finalised??

aww man...I hope not..it's one of my fav... noooo

which magazine did u get those impressions from, encon?

Discover Jakarta Mag Alvin

hard to get must be at cafes and hotels

Discover Jakarta Mag Alvin

hard to get must be at cafes and hotels

^^ ic ..
what does the article say ??

will be finishing early 2007 and Jakarta Orchard Rd ??


I will post some details tommorow ;)

so this is still U/C right?

so this is still U/C right?


Hi I just received an email frm their marketing co. and according to the mail it s u/c.

thanks !!!

Is there any relation between Pacific Place Jakarta and Pacific Place Hong Kong?

no ^^

Thanks Encon

Dec 14

http://img476.imageshack.us/img476/2830/dsc04180s3dk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

good reason why they are slow PP Aparment (maybe busy making the apartment show unit??)

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/1050/dsc04186s5xb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

yg ini harus cepet di bangun meeeen.....cant wait for the second phase to start its constructions..

don't worry about this one, it's still on track for early 2007 completion as far as I know ..no delays no nothing ;)

the 1st phase still on track...
what bout the second phase? you know the big fella...that one i reaaaaally wanna see get built..
u no more bout that alvin?

the 1st phase still on track...
what bout the second phase? you know the big fella...that one i reaaaaally wanna see get built..
u no more bout that alvin?

too far down the track ;)

the construction is so slow..
i don't see any progress..
i don't think they will be able to finished by 2007.

the construction is so slow..
i don't see any progress..
i don't think they will be able to finished by 2007.

once they finish foundation work, the building should shoot up real fast, like Grand Indonesia. Since it's a huge complex with (i think) 3 levels of basements, it's gonna take a while. It WILL be finished by early or mid 2007 imo.

Can't wait to see jakarta in 2-5 years, but I know that it's going to take a while for the skyline to be dense, we have to be patient

not only dense but more worst Traffic Jam :D ^^

Gosh I hope they would fix that problem faster...!!
the government really need to get serious!

can we get an update please? :)

Hi all! I'm Ferdi and this will be my first message here. I just want to update you on Pacific Place Phase I. There are two tower cranes rising up now on the site, when I passed it for lunch at Electronic City SCBD. Two blue-white cranes. :)

welcome ferdi and thanks for your update. any chance to take picture? (lol standard question)

Will do since I work in Plaza Bapindo Sudirman.

Welcome Ferdi. That is a perfect location and I bet your office also have a view to the North where you can just snap a few photos from your office window.

haha I thought I'd be the one to break the news on those lovely cranes!! You beat me to it, Ferdi - Welcome to the forum! ;)

20 January 2006:

http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/4218/pp17dr.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9681/pp22ug.jpg

Yumm hopes it reaches the sky fast...

BTW look closely at the dust drawings on the render... Org Ind. Suka usil n Kurang Kerjaan
http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/4218/pp17dr.jpg

More pics....

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/8809/pp38he.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/6190/pp23ar.jpg
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5350/pp42ix.jpg

wow thanks 4 the pics '

here are some pics that i found http://www.maharaniproperty.com/featured_pacificplace.php

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4120/paper7fc.jpg

^^ I can't See :( what Letter is it?

any updates please? :)

Any news about this project?

29 March 2006 :

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5830/00039nz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5830/00039nz.jpg

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1738/00046dd.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1738/00046dd.jpg

^^ nice. But at this rate, can they open it by March 2007? I somehow doubt it.

^^ agree

they still need to make the 5m wide pedestrian

Any Updates?

7 May 2006 :

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7927/12sf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7927/12sf1.jpg

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/23it.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2834/23it.jpg

Thanks Joko your D'Bes

:hug: :hug:

this one is a bit slow isnt it?

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/4486/pcpj1fr.jpg


is that pacific place???
source:google earth

correct, on the area shaped like a boat, the north part is pacific place construction. But i believe that this picture was taken few years back as we cannot see the construction of capital residences.

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6491/pcpj1fr5vp.jpg

how do you know Alvin? So there's no Signature Tower :( ?

BTW does anyone know what the empty Land in Front of Pacific Place and Beside Polda Headquarters Gonna be?

how do you know Alvin? So there's no Signature Tower :( ?

BTW does anyone know what the empty Land in Front of Pacific Place and Beside Polda Headquarters Gonna be?

Signature Tower will be part of Pacific Place phase 2, if it does get built. But personally I don't think they will build it - most likely the developers will change the design.