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LhexiMont

June 23rd, 2011, 05:59 PM

Thanks LhexiMont, maiba konti ulit palagay ko kasi feasable ang LRT from Alabang to Zapote sana may makaisip din non. Grabe kasi traffic pag dyan sa may Alabang Zapote road.
Yes , traffic is heavy especially sa Las Pinas part ( coz of the narrow road ) , sa Alabang kasi ( from Madrigal to South Station at least 6 lanes wide ) kaya di pa ganun ka -traffic at may underpass pa ito at the Northgate area. By the way , inaayos na ba talaga yung Spectrum -Midway avenue from Northgate junction to Wilcon to South Station/Entrata portion?
It would be very ideal if the LRT will be extended from Baclaran to Alabang and convert all the area of the existing South Station transport terminal and commercial complex into a modern , centralized multi-modal transport depot.

[kq90]

June 23rd, 2011, 06:31 PM

There have been construction activities in the road in front of Wilcon. I think that is what you're refering too. ;-)

LhexiMont

June 23rd, 2011, 07:17 PM

;80174696']There have been construction activities in the road in front of Wilcon. I think that is what you're refering too. ;-)

Are they constructing an island on the road , sana may spacious sidewalk on both sides din with light post and make it tree lined para okay nang maglakad from South Station complex up to the Northgate Cyberzone vicinity .

metrosuburban

June 24th, 2011, 01:41 AM

Thanks LhexiMont, maiba konti ulit palagay ko kasi feasable ang LRT from Alabang to Zapote sana may makaisip din non. Grabe kasi traffic pag dyan sa may Alabang Zapote road.

Alabang Zapote Road is worse than hell.. I bet mauuna pa makauwe ang taga Calamba kesa dun sa papauwe ng Las Pinas.. :bash:

[kq90]

June 24th, 2011, 04:49 AM

Are they constructing an island on the road , sana may spacious sidewalk on both sides din with light post and make it tree lined para okay nang maglakad from South Station complex up to the Northgate Cyberzone vicinity .

Hmmm... I'm not so sure since I don't really frequent the place.

LhexiMont

June 24th, 2011, 08:13 AM

What about the Alabang Public Market , are there any plans to modernized it ?
I read that SM has plans to convert several big public markets which they started in the public market of Dasmarinas . I am kinda hoping it is included in SM's list , or if not
at least there is a plan to rehabilitate / modernized it coz , it's congested , filthy and old ( since late 80's when it was reconstructed after it got burned ) .

shranethomas

June 24th, 2011, 01:20 PM

Masaya na ako kung magkakaroon ng maayos na waste management ang Muntinlupa. Katulad ng mga basura sa tabing riles na kailan lang na tv pa at saka umaksyon ang munisipyo. Pero siyempre may parte din tayong mga mamayan sa pag sugpo ng mga problema sa basura.

Kahit na wala pa yung mga developments na hinihintay natin sa ngayon kung maayos at malinis naman ang kapaligiran laking ginhawa na non sa mga mata.

crispypata

June 24th, 2011, 02:31 PM

I was in Cebu two weeks ago and can't help but feel that I was in Alabang while walking in their two premier business park, Cebu Business Park (Ayala Center Cebu) and AsiaTown IT Park. Grabe. Dejavu talaga of Madrigal Business Park and Filinvest today.

[kq90]

June 24th, 2011, 02:39 PM

Haha. Yep. A lot of people see Cebu's business district as a bigger Alabang.

shranethomas

June 24th, 2011, 04:41 PM

Nag work nadin ako dati dyan sa may IT park, doon naman ako sa Consolacion tumutuloy. Muka talagang Alabang yung ibang parts ng Cebu.

LhexiMont

June 25th, 2011, 06:59 AM

;80225266']Haha. Yep. A lot of people see Cebu's business district as a bigger Alabang.

Ironically , mas malaki naman ang Madrigal Business Park/ATC / Filinvest Corporate City combined sa Cebu's ( CBP / Asiatown ) business district.

Integrated business district na kasi ang FCC at MBP/ATC in Alabang because of their nearness and accessibility to each other.

[kq90]

June 25th, 2011, 08:36 AM

Ironically , mas malaki naman ang Madrigal Business Park/ATC / Filinvest Corporate City combined sa Cebu's ( CBP / Asiatown ) business district.

Integrated business district na kasi ang FCC at MBP/ATC in Alabang because of their nearness and accessibility to each other.

Karamihan kasi ng parte ng FCC di parin gamit, which is why it still seems smaller (in that there is less to see)

anak_mm

June 25th, 2011, 10:07 AM

LhexiMont

June 25th, 2011, 12:48 PM

In the panoramic photo above , para saan kaya yung mga lupang tinatambakan nung construction equipment. Is this a city government project ? ( similar to Tunasan's and Bayanan's baywalk project to serve the Sucat area ). I really hope those fish cages in the lake will be demolished all , so that the burden of the lake will be minimized .
The Presidio condominium is nice ...very close to the lake . I assumed it looks good from afar at the opposite side of the lake .
Also the iconic Shrine of Our Lady of Miraculous Medal was captured in the photo .
Maybe in a few years to come , the vicinity will be filled with buildings ( Vista LakeFront project is within ) .

Planning Democracy

June 25th, 2011, 08:54 PM

;79492424']Yes, but it was still Ayala that ended up making what the Fort is today - which is known for Serendra, High Street, and Market! Market!

As for the bid with the Alabang Stock Farm, they did indeed lose to Filinvest. The fact though is that until now, MBP and AAV development has higher land values than FCC. I am baffled why MBP has higher land values, but I am thinking this is because most people who buy commercial land in Alabang are either from AAV or Makati. Residents of AAV have a huge bias towards Ayala. Some don't even like going to Festival Mall, since they think it's much less classy than ATC.

Yes, but it was Metro Pacific who developed the land and Ayala benefited from that purchase by not spending a cent on land development.

BGC and FCC have underground electrical systems, something that you do not see in Ayala spearheaded projects (I'm not sure about Nuvali though). Higher land values do not necessarily reflect which development is better, it may be more attributed to the name of Ayala that's why the values are higher.

Well, there is a huge difference in the crowds of ATC and Festival, jolog sa Festival, but there are more stores and more choices there.

le Reine

June 25th, 2011, 09:08 PM

metrosuburban

June 25th, 2011, 09:10 PM

Yes, but it was Metro Pacific who developed the land and Ayala benefited from that purchase by not spending a cent on land development.

BGC and FCC have underground electrical systems, something that you do not see in Ayala spearheaded projects (I'm not sure about Nuvali though). Higher land values do not necessarily reflect which development is better, it may be more attributed to the name of Ayala that's why the values are higher.

Well, there is a huge difference in the crowds of ATC and Festival, jolog sa Festival, but there are more stores and more choices there.

i agree.. plus i dont find ATC "classy" either.. Wala namang classy brands present dun eh...

Planning Democracy

June 25th, 2011, 09:19 PM

;79525878']AAV was acrually first intended to only become a housing project for their employees; however, when the unintended demand came in, Ayala further developed the place. Moreover, the MBP area only started around early 1990s I think, which isn't that far ahead of FCC. AAV, on the other hand, was developed in the 1970s.

Development in Alabang has been very slow, to say the least, but this doesn't mean the location's a bad investment. A lot of big names own lots in Alabang and around Alabang - they are merely timing their developments. Today, lot prices in AAV can go up to about 40k/sqm - no investor would complain. With the developments around the area and the fierce competition between Filinvest and Ayala, we can only expect the area to become more beautiful and valuable. I know both companies will want to monetize more of their investment in the area. Both are also still finding ways to monetize the effect of Skyway on the land values in the area ;)

BTW... on other news: Muntinlupa has the best Fire Station in the metro according to the Bureau of Fire Protection. Check out the news in Google. :)

AAV is JV between Ayala Corp and the Madrigal family in 1978, it used to be the Madrigals' mango farm, in fact the St. Jerome Church used to be the chapel of the estate. The housing portion for Ayala employees is in District 2 in AAV, but not the whole village, they really intended to develop the estate and not as a mere response to an unintended demand. Development was heading south at that time and Ayala was competing with the BF Homes with their mega subdivision. Of course we all know what happened to BF Homes and the Aguirres, and Ayala went on to develop a good name with the development of AAV.

However, 40K/sqm for AAV? That seems a bit too high, possibly for MBP but not AAV, where did you get that data? I think AAV hovers at only 20K-22K.

Planning Democracy

June 25th, 2011, 09:23 PM

i agree.. plus i dont find ATC "classy" either.. Wala namang classy brands present dun eh...

I don't know what the definition of "classy" is since hindi naman ako class, pang festival lang ako. :lol:

But the expensive brands in ATC are located near Corte de las Palmas.

LhexiMont

June 26th, 2011, 05:53 AM

I don't know what the definition of "classy" is since hindi naman ako class, pang festival lang ako. :lol:

But the expensive brands in ATC are located near Corte de las Palmas.

Maybe we can expect some high-end stores in the upcoming mall of Entrata since the complex will have hotel and office towers atop the mall.

Once the expansion or renovation of Festival Supermall , maybe it should re-brand itself as a mid-end mall and transfer the so called jologs stores in their under utilized South Station complex.
I think , a 24-hour supermart as its anchor will be ideal in the South Station complex too since it has an organized transpot terminal , are there any new stores there aside from Deeco and tiangge type stalls? Maybe , once the mall of Entrata operates , South Station complex will benefit from it since it's just across the road , so it needs to beef up its number of stores.

LhexiMont

June 26th, 2011, 06:10 AM

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Sucat, Muntinlupa City, Philippines (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ipesalazar/5863607798/) by Felipe Salazar III (http://www.flickr.com/people/ipesalazar/), on Flickr

The defunct NAPOCOR -Sucat power plant is also seen on the panoramic photo. With the numerous developments in Sucat area that are expected to rise in a few years , what if this defunct power plant will be converted into a similar development like Rockwell . The power plant's area is huge including its maintenance and oil depot compound when combined.
The catch is, that it's backdrop is the Laguna Lake and the mountains and not just a river .
Just put up a well conceptualized and efficient waste management system in the plan , at least it is a lesser contributor of pollutants(?) to the lake. Anyhow, the compound can be readily connected to South SuperHighway / Skyway via the Sucat Road extension and its also near the PNR station in Sucat . Also, one of my wishful thinking is to see a beautiful bridge crossing over Laguna lake to Talim Island and onto the the other shore of the lake in Rizal or Laguna province . That is what lacking in Metro Manila a bridge.

[kq90]

June 26th, 2011, 07:54 AM

AAV is JV between Ayala Corp and the Madrigal family in 1978, it used to be the Madrigals' mango farm, in fact the St. Jerome Church used to be the chapel of the estate. The housing portion for Ayala employees is in District 2 in AAV, but not the whole village, they really intended to develop the estate and not as a mere response to an unintended demand. Development was heading south at that time and Ayala was competing with the BF Homes with their mega subdivision. Of course we all know what happened to BF Homes and the Aguirres, and Ayala went on to develop a good name with the development of AAV.

However, 40K/sqm for AAV? That seems a bit too high, possibly for MBP but not AAV, where did you get that data? I think AAV hovers at only 20K-22K.

20k was before Skyway. Neighboring villages like Hillsborough, in fact, are higher than 20k now. Southvale is also around the 20k price (last time I saw the price on paper was 18k/sqm). I know the prices because I live in the area, and am related to people who build in the area. Before Skyway, prices hovered lower than 20k. As hard as it is to believe, prices doubled after Skyway's completion (I know a lot of people who didn't expect it to go up that much). Lastly, I can also tell you that I'm sure Madrigal Business Park is much higher than 40k. Even before Skyway, lots in MBP have already been higher than that since they're commercial lots (although Ayala has pushed for making residential developments possible within the area just last year... which is why we now have Avida Alabang).

As for the intended purpose of AAV's development, I'm not really sure whether it really was meant to be developed as what it is today from the start of its conception, but I would think you probably know better than me in that aspect (since I see from your posts that you seem to know more about Ayala's developments).

[kq90]

June 26th, 2011, 07:57 AM

i agree.. plus i dont find ATC "classy" either.. Wala namang classy brands present dun eh...

Try visiting the parts of ATC fronting AAV. There's a Salvatore Ferragamo there, for one. All retail shops in ATC near AAV, if you haven't noticed, are SSI shops. You won't see the real high-end luxury brands that you see in Makati (except for a few), but they're much more expensive than the average shops in the Metro (including Festival Mall). You can go to both malls to see for yourself why people here see one as "classier" than the other (in the sense that the merchandise are more exclusive). I do agree, however, that ATC isn't "classy" if you compare it to the likes of Greenbelt.

[kq90]

June 26th, 2011, 07:14 PM

Maybe we can expect some high-end stores in the upcoming mall of Entrata since the complex will have hotel and office towers atop the mall.

Once the expansion or renovation of Festival Supermall , maybe it should re-brand itself as a mid-end mall and transfer the so called jologs stores in their under utilized South Station complex.
I think , a 24-hour supermart as its anchor will be ideal in the South Station complex too since it has an organized transpot terminal , are there any new stores there aside from Deeco and tiangge type stalls? Maybe , once the mall of Entrata operates , South Station complex will benefit from it since it's just across the road , so it needs to beef up its number of stores.

I don't think Alabang needs more supermarkets. We already have 7 which are all at most 5 min. away from each other by car. In the Festival Mall-South Station area, there are already two (plus the market is also nearby). Starmall Alabang, which is also nearby, also has its own supermarket. If you propose that one of the supermarkets in Festival Mall should transfer to South Station though (like SM Hypermart), then perhaps that might work. I honestly think though that the area is over-saturated with super markets already. I won't be surprised if one of them closes down within the next few years.

@Planning Democracy, please forgive me for posting multiple posts instead of making one long one. I didn't realize I posted too many posts until I reread my messages, :P hehe

shranethomas

June 27th, 2011, 09:38 AM

ngek! panoramic pala yan, kung hindi pa sasabihin hindi ko ichecheck yung nasa dulo. At wow kitang kita ang row ng PNR.

LhexiMont

June 28th, 2011, 02:47 PM

Yes , it's panoramic....
Aside from Puregold store , what else are being built within the Vista Lakefront ?
Any updates about South Metro Escalades of Robinson's , they are usually fast in building their projects . Within their property ( former Solid Mills factory ) fronting their Escalades project is huge lot for future commercial development ( possibly the rumored Robinson mall Sucat , the location is strategic and perfect for a mall , imho . )
The Presidio development is quite fast as they have built cluster of residential towers already which means it's really selling.

makatiprime

June 29th, 2011, 08:14 AM

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Ford Alabang (http://www.flickr.com/photos/blueisle/2940825740/) by Mark Saber (http://www.flickr.com/people/blueisle/), on Flickr

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nakuha na dati ang attention ng mga investors at leaping stage na ang muntinlupa noon as future city
pero sa biglaang pag ayaw noong nagproposed ng 110-stories building biglang naging political at media coper, kayat sa ngayun ang alabang ay parang dahan dahan lang ang usog kesa sa pasig at taguig

orly

June 29th, 2011, 11:52 AM

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/3-new-subaru-dealerships-to-rise-before-end-2011

Another reason why Alabang is the auto hub of the south

LhexiMont

June 29th, 2011, 08:15 PM

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/3-new-subaru-dealerships-to-rise-before-end-2011

Another reason why Alabang is the auto hub of the south

Simply because there are many plush subdivisions in Alabang and vicinity whose villagers are multiple car owners

LhexiMont

July 2nd, 2011, 02:56 PM

http://www.malaya.com.ph/may13/busi12.html

I assume this hotel is already part of the newly built structures of Entrata Complex , since it will operate by April 2012.

[kq90]

July 2nd, 2011, 06:21 PM

What do you mean?

LhexiMont

July 2nd, 2011, 07:03 PM

;80728256']What do you mean?

Because , there are already two linked towers that is built in Entrata Complex , the other two will follow .
And as per the news article , the hotel will start operations by April 2012.

[kq90]

July 3rd, 2011, 03:13 AM

Ah, I see. Yep, I also think the hotel is part of the topped off buildings. I'm also quite interested to know when the mall would be in operation, and who their prospective stores are. More so, I want to see how the mall's interiors would end up looking like. I hope they would be reminiscent of the mini malls found in the podiums of buildings in Singapore. :)

LhexiMont

July 3rd, 2011, 06:01 AM

;80749324']Ah, I see. Yep, I also think the hotel is part of the topped off buildings. I'm also quite interested to know when the mall would be in operation, and who their prospective stores are. More so, I want to see how the mall's interiors would end up looking like. I hope they would be reminiscent of the mini malls found in the podiums of buildings in Singapore. :)

I hope the mall part of the complex will be grand because it's not just a stand-alone mall. The hotel , office and residential towers comprising the whole complex is a big factor as there will be in-house customers /shoppers already once the whole complex operates and eventually completed .
We have yet to see a modern, glassy , innovatively-designed high-end mall in Alabang and I hope this one fits the bill since this will be the first mixed-used complex in the area.

LhexiMont

July 3rd, 2011, 04:23 PM

They are currently renovating mall. They closed the mall open area with new floor. (UpperGF at 3rd flr lang. Mas maganda kasi maluwag paring tingan. Ok pa rin yung circulation ng air and lights). These increase the mall GLA or floor area ratio..

Third level
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UG level
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250758_220962274588672_100000247036020_908886_4172336_n.jpg

Aside from this reconstruction of the mall atrium , what else are being renovated inside and outside the mall. I hope they will also
upgrade the railings to glass/steel throughout the mall and redesigned/repaint the mall's interiors as well to make it more vibrant .
I also heard before that they are planning to demolished the indoor theme park , but until now , it's still there.

[kq90]

July 6th, 2011, 05:39 PM

I passed by Entrata a while ago. They're finally installing the metallic ridges :D

LhexiMont

July 16th, 2011, 10:00 AM

;80958718']I passed by Entrata a while ago. They're finally installing the metallic ridges :D

Any updated photos of Entrata complex ?

muchosan

July 17th, 2011, 05:33 PM

Aside from this reconstruction of the mall atrium , what else are being renovated inside and outside the mall. I hope they will also
upgrade the railings to glass/steel throughout the mall and redesigned/repaint the mall's interiors as well to make it more vibrant .
I also heard before that they are planning to demolished the indoor theme park , but until now , it's still there.

new flooring/tiles, ceilings, steel railing and paint but same old design. The tiles used in the new atrium are diffrent from the old tiles/ design. may be after 5 years they will used the atrium floor design in the whole mall (IMO it looks a little bit classy).'
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Inilulubog na nila yung mga linya ng telepono at kuryente sa old AZroad..
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=909681&id=100000247036020'
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=909655&id=100000247036020

Napansin ko lang halos circular or kaya naman elliptical na yung road sa FCC gaya ng sa BGC. Ganun na yung mga road map na ginagamit nila sa mga rendering ng kanilang mga project. May nabasa ako na yung Landco Pacific ang isa sa mga tumulong sa planning ng FCC dati. At as we know Landco pacific is under Metro Pacific/ First Pacific who used to own majority of the BGC..:)

LhexiMont

July 18th, 2011, 06:19 AM

Really? , that's good to know that they buried the electrical and phone lines underground on the old AZ road . Did they also removed the concrete electrical post on the widened portion of AZ between ATC and West Gate complex , so that portion of AZ road ( from 4 lanes to at least 6 lanes ) will be maximized?
FCC roads remains circular with mostly at least 6 to 8 lanes avenues and well-landscaped. They do have spacious sidewalks as well.
I am hoping FCC will try to improved Filinvest Avenue and make it the main artery of the business district . They should put their best effort in making it well-lit , beautifully landscaped and with spacious sidewalks so that it will be attractive to investors to locate there IMHO.

balay_1

July 19th, 2011, 06:54 AM

Ang dami nang bawal sa ating lungsod:

Bawal na ang plastic at styrofoam.
Bawal na ang manigarilyo sa mga pampublikong lugar.
Bawal tumawid sa maling tawiran.
Bawal magkalat.

:banana:

amras

July 21st, 2011, 12:12 PM

bawal na rin magtayo ng bagong motels. hehehe

LhexiMont

July 21st, 2011, 12:29 PM

bawal na rin magtayo ng bagong motels. hehehe

At least , the city has several hotels and upcoming ones too :

In operation :
1. Vivere Suites ( FCC )
2. Parque Espana ( condotel/FCC )
3. Bellevue Hotel ( FCC )
4. Bellevue Executive ( FCC )
5. B Hotel ( Boutique -hotel , MBP )

Coming :
6. Acacia Grove Hotel
7. Crimson Hotel ( @ Entrata / FCC )
8. Kukun ( Boutique -hotel , Ayala owned , MBP most likely )

[kq90]

July 21st, 2011, 07:20 PM

FDC has a new presentation in its site. According to it, it looks like the Festival Mall expansion will be focusing on broad C market... there were no specifics really as to where they plan to expand to the broad C, but they didn't mention any other market in the presentation seems to not mention anything about other market segments... so I am assuming the expansion may be catering to the broad C (although the render looks high-end... which is odd)

In addition, they mentioned something about making a convention center in the south. This would be interesting in my opinion.

LhexiMont

July 22nd, 2011, 08:23 AM

;81872096']FDC has a new presentation in its site. According to it, it looks like the Festival Mall expansion will be focusing on broad C market... there were no specifics really as to where they plan to expand to the broad C, but they didn't mention any other market in the presentation seems to not mention anything about other market segments... so I am assuming the expansion may be catering to the broad C (although the render looks high-end... which is odd)

In addition, they mentioned something about making a convention center in the south. This would be interesting in my opinion.

I read in an article that the Entrata mall will be high-end A B market , since it integrated to an office and hotel towers.
A convention center is a welcome development since this will serve the southern metro area as well as other nearby provinces.

LhexiMont

July 27th, 2011, 04:41 PM

Whatever happened to that under construction tower in FCC which was already on ground level of construction but was halted 2-3 years ago? It's along Commerce Avenue between Insular Life towers and Mondrian Residences , did it resume construction ?

[kq90]

August 2nd, 2011, 10:30 AM

http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/329048/ndc-buys-prime-goodyear-property
NDC Buys Prime Goodyear Property
August 1, 2011, 2:22am

MANILA, Philippines — The National Development Co. (NDC) has decided to buy the 40 percent stake of American firm Goodyear Philippines in its joint venture real estate firm GY Real Estate Co. for P872 million paving the way for the state-owned investment arm to become the sole owner of the prime 18-hectare property in Almanza, Las Piñas, Goodyear’s former tire manufacturing site for 25 years.

“We are exercising our option to purchase Goodyear property,” NDC chairman Gregory L. Domingo told reporters on Friday

Goodyear Philippines, which closed its Las Piñas tire manufacturing facility on September 30, 2009, has decided to sell its 40 percent stake in the joint venture. NDC, which owns 60 percent of the joint venture property company, has opted to exercise its right of first refusal.

Domingo said NDC is going to seek loans from the government finance institutions to bankroll the P872 million acquisition cost of Goodyear’s 40 percent stake in the property.

Originally, Domingo said, Goodyear had asked for P14,000 per square meter but eventually agreed to sell for P12,000 per square meter for the prime property, which is located along the Zapote-Alabang road and close to the posh Ayala Alabang subdivision.

According to Domingo, the government has two options on what to do with property – enter into a long-term lease agreement or sell the property.

“But the policy for government crown jewels is to keep them for long term lease,” he said. He did not discount the possibility for a joint venture development but said that is not the priority at the moment. The government has very few big properties located in strategic areas like the former Goodyear manufacturing facility.

Earlier estimates point to about P1 billion revenues to the government for a 25-year lease contract for this property, but an outright sale could fetch higher revenues of as much as P3.6 billion at a price of P20,000 per square meter.

The closure of Goodyear’s tire manufacturing operations more than two years ago had paved the way for the disposition of the property as Goodyear’s lease contract with NDC expired in 2000 and since then the contract had been on extended lease.

The leases by American firms on several properties in the country were covered by the Laurel-Langley treaty signed between the Philippines and the United States in 1955 that gave parity rights to American companies, including multinational giants like Citibank, Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co., Caltex, Shell and Mobil.

When the treaty expired in 1974, American companies donated the lands they owned to the Philippine government, which in turn leased them back at preferential rates.

To facilitate the lease agreement, some companies formed real estate joint venture with the Philippine government with the American firms owning 40 percent stake in keeping with the Constitutional prohibition for foreign ownership on lands.

The Las Piñas property was home to Goodyear’s tire manufacturing plant for over 25 years although the company had been in the country for over 50 year’s already.

Goodyear Philippines used to export 50 percent of their production of different types of tires to the world including North American, Europe, South Africa , Germany , Middle East among other countries. The company produced the first Goodyear tire in the country at the Las Piñas plant in 1956.

But trade liberalization and the global financial crisis had made its operations uncompetitive.

With the loss of the exports market, the company was faced with a huge unutilized manufacturing capacity at its Las Piñas plant.

The plant closure had laid off 500 workers as a result. Goodyear, however, has maintained the operations of its other plants in the ASEAN region. (BCM)

LhexiMont

August 2nd, 2011, 03:40 PM

There is also a thread for Las Pinas that the above article can be also posted .
But since the GoodYear property is close to Alabang ... it's okay .

[kq90]

August 2nd, 2011, 07:36 PM

Whoops. I totally forgot it was in Las Piñas. The area is indeed very close though... I wonder who already owns the lot right beside MBP... (though that part is also in Las Piñas)

thescene

August 3rd, 2011, 01:48 AM

Drove along Commerce avenue last Saturday night and it was a nightmare. Getting from Festival Mall to Acacia Avenue took over 30 mins. Seems like Daang Hari is the cause. Anyone know why ?

Planning Democracy

August 3rd, 2011, 04:31 AM

;82466977']http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/329048/ndc-buys-prime-goodyear-property

What about the BOIE property? The one beside MBP?

Drove along Commerce avenue last Saturday night and it was a nightmare. Getting from Festival Mall to Acacia Avenue took over 30 mins. Seems like Daang Hari is the cause. Anyone know why ?

Probably yes, poor planning here care of Villar and the Ayalas. Just count count how many residential lots are there along Daang Hari, then subtract whatever number you need to based on your parameters (like the low cost projects), add those coming from Cavite, and that would be the potential number of vehicles going through Commerce Ave.

I think an underpass from Daang Hari to A-Z road would encourage vehicles to take A-Z instead, and an alternate route to FCC would also help. Trip generation studies would also help, are those vehicles simply passing through or are they going to ATC or to FCC?

I guess this is gonna be the reality for the next ten years or so, traffic. :ohno:

LhexiMont

August 3rd, 2011, 04:35 AM

Drove along Commerce avenue last Saturday night and it was a nightmare. Getting from Festival Mall to Acacia Avenue took over 30 mins. Seems like Daang Hari is the cause. Anyone know why ?

There is a portion of the access road to Daang Hari which is quite narrow at 2 -lanes only , I don't know now if it's already widened by now . It maybe the cause of bottleneck .
Anyway, with great hope , by next year the connecting road between Daang Hari and SLEX will be constructed and operational in 2013 perhaps and it will lessen the volume of vehicles squeezing itself in Alabang area to Daang Hari to get in and out of Cavite to Metro Manila as they can enjoy the convenience and breeze of driving through this upcoming PPP road project .

[kq90]

August 3rd, 2011, 07:49 AM

What about the BOIE property? The one beside MBP?

Probably yes, poor planning here care of Villar and the Ayalas. Just count count how many residential lots are there along Daang Hari, then subtract whatever number you need to based on your parameters (like the low cost projects), add those coming from Cavite, and that would be the potential number of vehicles going through Commerce Ave.

I think an underpass from Daang Hari to A-Z road would encourage vehicles to take A-Z instead, and an alternate route to FCC would also help. Trip generation studies would also help, are those vehicles simply passing through or are they going to ATC or to FCC?

I guess this is gonna be the reality for the next ten years or so, traffic. :ohno:

To my knowledge the situation has become worse because the AAV barangay closed Investment Dr. (the left-most road of MBP, leading to Daang Hari) from traffic to and from Alabang Zapote.

One of the other reasons traffic in Commerce Ave. is awful is because all AAV residents just have to use it to enter the village. There was a proposal before for AAV to open a gate to FCC (near Palms Country Club). The proposal, however, was bogged down by some residents who live near the proposed gate. Moreover, there was a company that was totally against the said idea (Hint: it wasn't Filinvest :P).

Of course, the traffic situation would still be awful regardless of this simply because of the sheer number of residential areas along Daang Hari. Hopefully the SLEX-Daang Hari Link would alleviate the traffic situation in Commerce.

... Anyway, people with Android devices might want to check out Alabang in Google Maps. Some buildings are now in 3D (Like Insular Life and Entrata). You can also check out http://maps.google.com/ to see the map in flattened 3D (Meaning the buildings are in 3D but the perspective can't be changed). :P

thescene

August 3rd, 2011, 03:50 PM

Planning Democracy

August 3rd, 2011, 06:30 PM

Just heard from an officemate that the traffic is caused by flooding in the two lane road along Daang Hari. They say that the land owners adjacent to the road don't want to sell the land so they can't widen it.

[kq90]

August 3rd, 2011, 06:55 PM

Just heard from an officemate that the traffic is caused by flooding in the two lane road along Daang Hari. They say that the land adjacent to the road don't want to sell the land so they can't widen it.

Are you referring to the curved portion?

LhexiMont

August 4th, 2011, 05:14 AM

Well just imagine the traffic when the holiday season comes along. I wonder if Filinvest took into consideration the traffic when they purchased and developed the old Alabang Stock Farm into what it is today.
Well, there is no Daang Hari road that time when Filinvest started developing Filinvest Corp. City. Initially , Commerce Avenue of FCC and AAV was not interconnected until both property developers linked the avenue into one since it will be both beneficial to both of them. And FCC is not the area directly connected to Daang Hari , it's just that they opened their portion of Commerce Avenue as public road . Filinvest's track record as far as developing infrastructures/accesibility of FCC is highly commendable as they really provided good and wide roads linking it to SLEX , Service Road , Alabang Zapote road , Alabang Interchange ( viaduct area ) and Skyway.
Until Daang Hari was built a few years ago and lots of residential villages sprouted along the newly built road.
Perhaps , they should do something about that narrow access road to Daang Hari and convinced the landowners to sell eventually to widened that narrow road , or if not , just wait for the Daang Hari -SLEX link road to be built and be operational.
A recent news also regarding that DH-SLEX link road that the government considered utilizing the Susana Intercahange instead of building a new interchange a stone throw away from Susana Int. is a welcome development, and with great hope they will upgrade/expand Susana Interchange to accomodate the additional volume of vehicles that will utilized it.

LhexiMont

August 4th, 2011, 01:18 PM

Any photo updates sa proposed StarMall Agro-Putatan ? Is it already under construction ? Puregold is the anchor store .

balay_1

August 5th, 2011, 02:57 AM

^^Under construction na ito. Actually, earth moving na ang nangyayari sa construction site.:)

LhexiMont

August 5th, 2011, 04:31 AM

^^Under construction na ito. Actually, earth moving na ang nangyayari sa construction site.:)

Ang exact location ba nitong minor mall na ito ay yung old A&M Supermart na may katabing ruins ng old building ? yun lang ang medyo malaking bakanteng lote dun. Maganda siguro kung basement parking ang gagawin nila para
ma-maximize yung lot area nung project.

Ganda siguro nito kapag nagawa with PureGold as anchor store with several shops / fastfood outlets along with it. Also it would become
the commercial center of Putatan once operational at gandahan nila sana ang landscaping ng area para mas okay.

Walking distance lang ito from where we live in Putatan.

mach000

August 7th, 2011, 10:56 AM

;82511312']Are you referring to the curved portion?

Are there any plans by the city government of expanding this curved portion?

There is a vacant lot beside it where it can be expanded. City government should buy this right of way by invoking reason of national interest. Whoever is the owner of that vacant land should be forced to sell by the government at the right price.

Slex-daang hari connector will only be completed by first quarter of 2013.

LhexiMont

August 9th, 2011, 07:44 AM

May plans din pala for future commercial development ang Greenfield Properties on their 15-hectare property within the Hillsborough -Alabang . Maybe , this is the huge vacant area beside the Asya Enclaves project .

[kq90]

August 14th, 2011, 04:57 PM

Here's a YT video that reveals some of what we can expect from METRO GAISANO Alabang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRhLn3g_5E

LhexiMont

August 15th, 2011, 04:51 AM

The Metro Gaisano -Alabang seems to look nice based on that slide show with it's modern looking building that will distinguished itself from the Mediteranean architecture of Alabang Town Center. Good thing that ATC will now have a full supermarket/department store on their turf which means more choices and affordability for consumers. The competition is really heating up with Festival Supermall and ATC with their corresponding expansions not to mention SM Southmall and Starmall -Alabang's minor expansion/renovation of recent.

[kq90]

August 15th, 2011, 05:49 AM

Molito Complex seems to have fenced a pretty huge area for expansion too :). If everything goes as expected, retail space in Alabang will more or less double in the next 2 years.

BTW, ATC already has Rustan's and Makati Supermarket... they've always had a full department store and supermarket :)

cool_blue

August 15th, 2011, 02:42 PM

thescene

August 16th, 2011, 01:11 AM

And joining to the heating competition down south, the soon to be built Robinsons Las Pinas...

Where will the Robinsons LP be built?

LhexiMont

August 16th, 2011, 04:52 AM

:):)

Sinjin P.

August 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM

;82890781']Molito Complex seems to have fenced a pretty huge area for expansion too :). If everything goes as expected, retail space in Alabang will more or less double in the next 2 years.

BTW, ATC already has Rustan's and Makati Supermarket... they've always had a full department store and supermarket :)

Rustan's is not necessarily a full department store. There are a lot of stuff in, say SM, which you can't find there.

[kq90]

August 16th, 2011, 08:06 PM

Rustan's is not necessarily a full department store. There are a lot of stuff in, say SM, which you can't find there.

Oh... That makes sense :P haha

balay_1

August 17th, 2011, 01:09 PM

Ang exact location ba nitong minor mall na ito ay yung old A&M Supermart na may katabing ruins ng old building ? yun lang ang medyo malaking bakanteng lote dun. Maganda siguro kung basement parking ang gagawin nila para
ma-maximize yung lot area nung project.

Ganda siguro nito kapag nagawa with PureGold as anchor store with several shops / fastfood outlets along with it. Also it would become
the commercial center of Putatan once operational at gandahan nila sana ang landscaping ng area para mas okay.

Walking distance lang ito from where we live in Putatan.

Yup. Ito yung dating A&M Supermart.:)

BTW, ang ganda ng Molito Complex. Ang daming bangko, restaurants, specialty stores na makikita doon at may Puregold na sosyal pa.:lol:

LhexiMont

August 17th, 2011, 03:41 PM

Yup. Ito yung dating A&M Supermart.:)

BTW, ang ganda ng Molito Complex. Ang daming bangko, restaurants, specialty stores na makikita doon at may Puregold na sosyal pa.:lol:

And Molito complex is also up for expansion , hopefully , they will tear up the perimeter wall separating Molito Complex from Madrigal Business Park , para mas maging accessible sa MBP ang MolitoComplex at ATC .

Jrommel

August 21st, 2011, 03:28 PM

good to see and know that Muntinlupa is moving forward. IMHO your city is the next BGC,Taguig,Makati,Ortigas

[kq90]

August 22nd, 2011, 06:06 AM

Hopefully we can see Vista Land's developments (Lakefront and Evia) pick up too. That would make Muntinlupa even more appealing to reside in (although Evia is not really part of Alabang or Muntinlupa). I also hope that the Bilibid Prison area would be privatized soon enough too. The area would be nice to develop, probably primarily for residential ans institutional establishments.

Developments in Laguna like Nuvali and Eton, I believe, should also make Muntinlupa (particularly Filinvest) a more ideal investment as is the gateway from Makati to CALABARZON.

LhexiMont

August 22nd, 2011, 08:46 AM

;83095898']Hopefully we can see Vista Land's developments (Lakefront and Evia) pick up too. That would make Muntinlupa even more appealing to reside in (although Evia is not really part of Alabang or Muntinlupa). I also hope that the Bilibid Prison area would be privatized soon enough too. The area would be nice to develop, probably primarily for residential ans institutional establishments.

Developments in Laguna like Nuvali and Eton, I believe, should also make Muntinlupa (particularly Filinvest) a more ideal investment as is the gateway from Makati to CALABARZON.

Yes , Muntinlupa city can shine on its own . It does not have to be the next ... or so on ...
Evia's commercial area is so close to the NBP area and with that massive project along the Daang Hari road and the upcoming SLEX-Daang Hari link road (C6 ), potential developments will surely rise on the NBP once it gets privatized and the prison facility gets transferred in its new location.
When that plans materializes , FCC , MBP/ATC and Alabang downtown area will be seamlessly connected via SLEX and C6(link road ) to NBP and Evia and even to the existing Daang Hari road .

balay_1

August 25th, 2011, 04:16 PM

:cheers::cheers::cheers:

and Then...

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251546_135555676533673_100002377244205_228556_1788341_n.jpg

^^
Andrew Tan-led Alliance Global Group, Inc. (AGI) has signed an agreement with Fil-Estate Land, Inc. (FELI) under which AGI will subscribe to 5 billion common shares of FELI for a total subscription price of P5 billion in cash. This is a P5-billion deal to take a 60-percent control of property developer Fil-Estate Land Inc., allowing the company to work on a new tourism-oriented community project in the latter's prized property in Boracay, Iloilo, Tagaytay, Batangas, CDO, Bacolod, Alabang etc.

[kq90]

August 25th, 2011, 08:52 PM

I wonder what we could expect from Megaworld in the Alabang property... this is a welcome development indeed. :)

LhexiMont

August 27th, 2011, 05:18 AM

Where's the exact location of this Megaworld property in Alabang ?

LhexiMont

August 27th, 2011, 05:20 AM

;83207307']I wonder what we could expect from Megaworld in the Alabang property... this is a welcome development indeed. :)

Yes , and I hope it will start a series of Megaworld projects in Muntinlupa.

[kq90]

August 27th, 2011, 08:48 PM

Festival Mall expansion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHiX3PPcw68

This looks great. Hopefully they follow the render. It all seems too good to be true :o

(As for the newly acquired Megaworld property in Alabang, I would think this is near Hillsborough since Fil Estate still had undeveloped land in the area when it was bought)

LhexiMont

August 28th, 2011, 06:29 AM

Wow! that video of how the Festival mall expansion will be , is truly awesome and something to look forward to and I hope they can pull it off and truly make that happen upon it's completion .
It's a mall , garden and waterpark combined which seems will add a bit of adventure too via boat trekking by the waterpark . Really good !

rubix_cube321

August 28th, 2011, 09:47 AM

here you go...

XHiX3PPcw68

Planning Democracy

August 28th, 2011, 09:59 AM

^^

Hope they can EXECUTE well this time like Ayala does.

By the way, where exactly is the Megworld property in Alabang? Might be another Italian inspired thing, ano pa yung mga hindi nila nagagaya? I'm sure they're gonna build the same buildings all over again with different Italian inspired names, Megaworld basically uses the same building design over and over again to save on building costs, so don't expect much variety from their designs.

LhexiMont

August 28th, 2011, 12:08 PM

It's still a welcome development for Alabang that Megaworld will invest on a project there since they are really aggressive when it comes to developing their property projects.

JulZ

August 28th, 2011, 05:12 PM

^^^^so good to be true festi :banana:

LhexiMont

August 29th, 2011, 02:57 PM

I am really excited how will Filinvest transform that area into an engineering and architectural marvel in a few years to come .
They really should do this as it will surely become one of the favorite destination of mall-goers and hopefully it will perk up the
developments in the SouthGate, Civic Drive and Corporate Woods zones of FCC as Westgate , Spectrum ans Northgate zones already have several developments existing .

balay_1

August 29th, 2011, 05:30 PM

^^Maganda ang proposed Festival Mall expansion.:cheers:

Meanwhile, here are some pictures of our beloved city.

The Marfori Tower as seen from Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1673/photo0769qj.jpg

Miraculuos Medal Church Sucat at the background as seen from Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7602/photo0768.jpg

The Wharf at Lakefront Sucat as seen from Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2.

http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/2534/photo0767s.jpg

Lakefront of Vista Land as seen from Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/9732/photo0766gf.jpg

Makro Sucat as seen from Metro Manila Skyway Stage 2.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6469/photo0765.jpg

Jamboree Lake

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5470/photo0830b.jpg

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6185/photo0829h.jpg

Planning Democracy

August 30th, 2011, 02:46 PM

Pansin ko yung Makro laging mainit at walang tao. :ohno:

Will the water from the Festi expansion be coming from the creek?

LhexiMont

August 30th, 2011, 03:40 PM

Pansin ko yung Makro laging mainit at walang tao. :ohno:

Will the water from the Festi expansion be coming from the creek?

Are there any plans to convert that Makro-Sucat into an SM Hypermarket as well as they did to other Makro-branches .
For sure it will have a market with the several villages on that area as well as the upcoming residential communities being built within the vicinity.

thescene

August 30th, 2011, 03:49 PM

I wonder though how Filinvest will deal with Ondoy like rains in Festival Mall.

[kq90]

August 30th, 2011, 06:41 PM

Festival Mall will be utilizing the creek, which is going to be rehabilitated through the project. Hopefully they took into consideration the Ondoy-like rains that can happen. More importantly, I hope it doesn't compromise the creek's function as drainage for the nearby villages.

LhexiMont

August 31st, 2011, 05:06 AM

;83339058']Festival Mall will be utilizing the creek, which is going to be rehabilitated through the project. Hopefully they took into consideration the Ondoy-like rains that can happen. More importantly, I hope it doesn't compromise the creek's function as drainage for the nearby villages.

For sure they will take into considerations the situations like that and I think that the water level will be not as high as seen on the clip . Also , for sure they will put railings on the stretch of the water feature on both sides . Anyway, let's just wait how they will accomplish it in time.

Planning Democracy

August 31st, 2011, 06:45 AM

[kq90]

August 31st, 2011, 01:19 PM

In that case in won't be as clean as depicted in the animation clip. :lol:

To be fair they know that the creek as it is today is not clean enough. I remember reading a press release before stating that they were going to do something tokeep the river clean.

LhexiMont

August 31st, 2011, 08:39 PM

The creek portion beside Entrata ..is it already improved ?

[kq90]

September 1st, 2011, 01:02 PM

I haven't seen it in a while, but as far as I know it's not really dirty but neither is it too clean... at the very least, it doesn't smell bad in its current state.

LhexiMont

September 1st, 2011, 05:12 PM

[kq90]

September 1st, 2011, 08:21 PM

For me , what matters most in the expansion of Festival Mall is the mall structure itself and the greenery park to be well done. The enhancement/beautification of the creek/water feature is a plus factor though in the overall improvement of the expansion .

I beg to disagree. The creek will make or break the expansion since two major components of the expansion are dependent on it. It is also evident in this video and their press releases that the creek will be the central attraction of their expansion. Notably, this "river" can set it apart from existing malls since it'll be the only mall in the Philippines with an actual natural riveras a feature.

The river can set Festival Mall apart from current high-end malls incorporating natural elements like Greenbelt. Of course, this will only happen if execution is done correctly.

LhexiMont

September 1st, 2011, 10:24 PM

Yes I also believe that in particular it will really set apart Festival Mall from the rest , it will be one of the main attractions , let's just wait and trust them that they will execute the plan very well .

Manila-X

September 2nd, 2011, 07:12 AM

Finally the first one in the southside! And it will open in Festival Mall,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UZImdYAiry8/SemAMLdBqJI/AAAAAAAAQKA/V9UmlfwgBQQ/s400/krispy_kreme_logo.jpg

Planning Democracy

September 3rd, 2011, 06:05 AM

LhexiMont

September 3rd, 2011, 09:43 AM

[kq90]

September 3rd, 2011, 01:15 PM

Well, personally, I wouldn't go to a mall just because there is a creek a there, although it might be interesting if they incorporate a river ferry...

However, judging from the sources of the water, from the storm drains of nearby villages, I wouldn't wanna take a dip in there. That's a mix of dog poop, motor oil, and all sorts of dirty stuff that comes from storm drains. If you notice, under the bridge near the fire station on the pathway leading to festival, there's a small waterfall there and suds form as the water churns, a sure sign of pollution.

Anyway, there might be natural ways of filtering out this water, at the very least it's not stagnant so it doesn't smell.
If you have been reading the former posts, I have mentioned that Filinvest is indeed working on making the water, at least in the portion of Festival Mall, cleaner. They have mentioned this in a number of press releases. If they are indeed sucessful in their artificial means of making the water in their portion cleaner, then I think the creek wouldn't be as polluted as we all know it is today. If this is the case, the river can be an asset to Festival Mall depending on its effect on the ambiance.

You're right in the sense that no one would go to a mall just because of the river/creek/whatever you'd call it. In the same way, nobody would go to a mall like Greenbelt just for the garden features. It is, however, the overall ambiance that could attract people. Like the garden features of some malls, the river/creek can positively or negatively affect the overall ambiance of the mall depending on the execution.

I tend to be very skeptical with the way Filinvest executes plans myself, especially after seeing the blue aluminum sheets on Entrata, but as of now I am just looking at this expansion plan as a mere plan. As a plan, I think it is indeed a wonderful idea that can enhance Festival Mall... making it a more formidable opponent to ATC in the high-end. Of course, only time will tell if Filinvest is capable of executing this right. Personally, I would wait for the execution to happen first before making comments about the river's cleanliness and what not... only because they have publicized their intent to make it cleaner.

*Just an added note: I think you might find it interesting the Venice's canals have many visitors daily despite the horrid scent and pollution. Not to mention, a ride in the Gondola costs roughly 1.2k per person.

LhexiMont

September 3rd, 2011, 02:43 PM

I agree , as I mentioned let's just wait for the expansion plan to materialize first and hope for the best it can offer .
In defense of Filinvest , when Festival Supermall opened in the late 90s , who would have thought that a newbie mall developer , can deliver such a very good themed mall in the middle of nowhere , which is very well planned and executed ( covered walks allover for the shoppers convenience , lots of parking space , well-landscaped , indoor recreation park without entrance fee , over 600 shops with several anchor stores ). The supermall has continuing success as it has become the benchmark for other malls in the southern Metro to also expand , while other minor malls fails to keep up and eventually folded up .

[kq90]

September 3rd, 2011, 04:56 PM

As of now, Festival Mall and ATC cater to diff. markets. I would really like to see Filinvest try to get a portion of ATC's high-end market.

LhexiMont

September 3rd, 2011, 05:41 PM

I would also like to see the upcoming high-end Entrata Mall to succeed as it will become sort of an extension to Festival Mall as it has a portion beside the creek.
It's location is very strategic and it will have an in-house patrons within the mixed-use complex .

Jrommel

September 4th, 2011, 12:28 AM

the increase in toll fee further encourages urban migration,the people would rather move out of the nearby provinces and live in metro manila.Muntinlupa and Las Pinas population might increase

Planning Democracy

September 4th, 2011, 04:45 PM

[kq90]

September 4th, 2011, 05:23 PM

Unfortunately, I know the Project Manager who was in charge of Festival Mall and I kinda have an idea why the mall turned out that way. :lol: Hopefully they'll get better PMs and Contractors this time who can execute well.

Well I haven't been to Venice but it might a little far out to compare it to the festival mall expansion, however the gondola thing might be interesting if the waterway could be used for transport as well.

I think Fesitval Mall is doing well even with ATC around, judging from the crowds it seems to have more foot traffic. The only problem I see is that there are some sections that are usually empty, I'm not sure if the tenants in those areas are getting brisk business.

Haha. I just made the comparison with Venice to point out that even polluted waterways can attract people... althugh of course the waterways of Venice have long histories that make them special.

Anyway, I agree with you on your third point too. Although Festival Mall has more foot traffic, it is not able to distribute the traffic everywhere, especially in the last floor

thecojuancos

September 5th, 2011, 04:17 AM

LhexiMont

September 5th, 2011, 04:48 AM

http://images02.olx.com.ph/ui/10/68/45/1292750407_140026345_1-Entrata-Urban-Complex-Alabang.jpg

Hindi Maganda Ang design ng Entrata Complex. Sana naman maging class nga ang Entrata mall kasi napaka cheap ng Festival mall parang Starmall lang.:ohno::ohno:

Hindi pa naman tapos yung complex para husgahan mo na.
Festival Mall is just right as it is as the malls in the south are not that superbly design ( ATC and Southmall have simple designs as well ). And it's a decade old mall.

thecojuancos

September 5th, 2011, 05:01 AM

Hindi pa naman tapos yung complex para husgahan mo na.
Festival Mall is just right as it is as the malls in the south are not that superbly design ( ATC and Southmall have simple designs as well ). And it's a decade old mall.

Dapat kasi irenovate na yung Festival mall kasi sobrang pangit talaga like SM southmall nirerenovate nasya at ang ATC ineexpand na.

LhexiMont

September 5th, 2011, 07:02 AM

Dapat kasi irenovate na yung Festival mall kasi sobrang pangit talaga like SM southmall nirerenovate nasya at ang ATC ineexpand na.

Maybe ,you don't even read the previous posts in this thread that the mall will have its much needed expansion as well.
The mall is just old ( 12 years ++ ) and its not super ugly as you ridicule it. The mall is still nice and with the expansion , there is a possibility that the existing mall you are ridiculing will undergo renovation as well.

Manila-X

September 5th, 2011, 11:14 AM

Festival is a nice mall. And other than Powerplant, is one of the few malls in Metro Manila that is not managed by a company that specializes in this industry.

The mall has everything from the A to D crowd.

As for Entrata, wait till the complex is finished before judging. But I'm sure that Filicity sign will end up as a giant digital billboard.

Manila-X

September 5th, 2011, 11:16 AM

Dapat kasi irenovate na yung Festival mall kasi sobrang pangit talaga like SM southmall nirerenovate nasya at ang ATC ineexpand na.

Para sa akin, pumangit ang Southmall dahil mas kumonti ang shops. Hindi katulad ng dati na maraming selections.

Sa lahat ng malls na nakikita ko sa south, ang ATC at mukang may potential na maging shopping mecca sa lugar na yan.

Taga south ako, sa BF Homes :)

LhexiMont

September 5th, 2011, 12:06 PM

Manila-X

September 6th, 2011, 05:42 AM

One thing I noticed about FCC, the development inside is slow. The only area where I see development happening is the northgate area where most mid-rise call centres and BPO related firms are concentrated.

Other than that, development is slow compared to other CBDs around Metro Manila like Fort Bonifacio.

There were some nice projects within FCC but were never built. Spectrum Centre is one of them which are a series of high-rise office complex. The Aspen Tower had triplets that were supposed to be much taller but were also never built.

The Insular Life on the other hand defined FCC's skyline and are the most iconic in this area.

raffybaltazar

September 6th, 2011, 06:30 AM

Maybe ,you don't even read the previous posts in this thread that the mall will have its much needed expansion as well.
The mall is just old ( 12 years ++ ) and its not super ugly as you ridicule it. The mall is still nice and with the expansion , there is a possibility that the existing mall you are ridiculing will undergo renovation as well.

^^^^Ang tagal na ng sinasabing expansion nayan pero hangang ngayon hindi parin tapos. dapat gayahin nila ang SM megamall nirenovate muna habang ginagawa ang expansion. Sobrang pangit talaga magdevelop ang Filinvest mabagal na hindi pa world class.

LhexiMont

September 6th, 2011, 06:48 AM

Yes , sadly Spectrum Centre high-rise office complex and the rest of Parkway(?)residential towers ( where Aspen tower belongs ) were never built . There is also a
supposed to be high rise-tower along Commerce Avenue of which the construction was halted ( already on ground level U/C ).
Also reported before but never built were :
OakRidge(?) tower of Filinvest
Sea Cloud Hotel
Vivere Suites 2

I still hope that Spectrum Towers be built in the future with an improved design and taller towers ( 50++ storeys at least ) , maybe a joint venture project with other major developers.
An aggresive move of Filinvest will also help by improving their road networks and street lightings , especially on their Filinvest Avenue and make it their flagship boulevard as a showcase , to entice developers to invest or the lot owners to already build their high rise projects there.
Although it will really be tough because of the strong competitions from other Metro business districts on other cities and even within Muntinlupa City itself .
Lastly , their upcoming projects such as Entrata Complex , The Levels and Studio City will hopefully becomes successfully built completely as they are very promising as well .

raffybaltazar

September 6th, 2011, 07:03 AM

Manila-X

September 6th, 2011, 07:48 AM

See, filinvest is not good in highrise buildings maybe in creating village they are good but in higrise buildings no. Filinvest corporate city ay sobrang bagal at ang malaki pa nilang kalaban ngayon ay ang Nuvali CBD ng Ayala.

Tadaan mo, ang Filinvest ang nag developed sa PBCOM ang pinaka mataas ng building sa Metro Manila bago Gramercy.

Yun nga, meron na Nuvali, Eton, etc. na nangyayari sa Laguna. Baka maunahan pa nila ang FCC.

Manila-X

September 6th, 2011, 07:51 AM

raffybaltazar

September 6th, 2011, 08:08 AM

Talagang mauunahan ng Nuvali ang FCC dahil ayala yun.
Ilang years nayang FCC pero ang pangit parin ng skyline especially pagnasa flyover ka ng SLEX.

LhexiMont

September 6th, 2011, 08:35 AM

Manila-X

September 6th, 2011, 09:11 AM

The core of business and commercial activity for now will still be in Metro Manila as airport , seaport , lightrail transport and major highways/expressways are there that is why Makati , Ortigas and BGC of late thrives because of their proximity to these infrastructures or each other.
Besides there are other major developments in the stretch of Manila Bay and these are rather "slow" too.
FCC developments is just always being compared to BGC that's why , since they are almost of the same size and launched almost at the same time in the 90s . Admittedly, BGC really soared especially when the Ayalas overtake the control and management of the business district and were all aware of the expertise and clout in the industry Ayala has as compared to Filinvest.
I also kinda notice that it seems that the other Fil-Chi tycoons are not supportive of Gotianun's FCC or maybe they already have a property in FCC as well but they are just waiting for the right time to build something on their investment.

You mean rapid transit. Not all metro lines in MM are light rail.

http://sceniccities.web.infoseek.co.jp/asia/manila/images/maps2/mn_000.jpg

I've posted this map before. But the areas within and beside the rectangle are considered the city centre or urban core. This is where most business / economic activity happen.

FCC is out of this core. But due to the number of suburban developments happening within the south especially in Laguna and Cavite, FCC along with Madrigal Business Park are viable central business districts within this area. And this apply to those living in Cavite especially from Bacoor, Imus and to some extent Dasmariñas because of Daang Hari which can easily reach FCC within less than an hour depends on the traffic.

But with the rise of future CBDs within Laguna can give competition to FCC.

As for Tsinoy tycoons and The Filipino-Chinese community, they live mostly north of the pasig river and to some extent in high-rise apartments within Makati, Malate, Ermita or Pasay. There are only a few of them living in the southern part of Metro Manila.

LhexiMont

September 6th, 2011, 01:11 PM

^^^^Ang tagal na ng sinasabing expansion nayan pero hangang ngayon hindi parin tapos. dapat gayahin nila ang SM megamall nirenovate muna habang ginagawa ang expansion. Sobrang pangit talaga magdevelop ang Filinvest mabagal na hindi pa world class.
Are you and TheCojuangcos the same person ?pareho kasi kayong galit na galit sa Filinvest ..Saka huwag mo problemahin kung mabagal ang pag usad ng FCC..kung sila nga hindi naiinip ..ikaw pa kaya ?:banana::banana::lol::banana::lol:

[kq90]

September 6th, 2011, 02:25 PM

Talagang mauunahan ng Nuvali ang FCC dahil ayala yun.
Ilang years nayang FCC pero ang pangit parin ng skyline especially pagnasa flyover ka ng SLEX.

Nope. BGC did not overtake Filinvest because of Ayala. It overtook Filinvest because of location. Although I would say Ayala is a more aggressive developer than Filinvest, I wouln't attribute BGC's success to them solely.

Madrigal Business Park is also essentially an Ayala development, but it has been much slower than BGC only because its location is not nearly as strategic... at least in the immediate future.

[kq90]

September 6th, 2011, 02:29 PM

^^^^Ang tagal na ng sinasabing expansion nayan pero hangang ngayon hindi parin tapos. dapat gayahin nila ang SM megamall nirenovate muna habang ginagawa ang expansion. Sobrang pangit talaga magdevelop ang Filinvest mabagal na hindi pa world class.
Filinvest only mentioned the expansion this year. As far as I'm concerned, they are still on-track since they mentioned construction will only start this year.

[kq90]

September 6th, 2011, 02:31 PM

See, filinvest is not good in highrise buildings maybe in creating village they are good but in higrise buildings no. Filinvest corporate city ay sobrang bagal at ang malaki pa nilang kalaban ngayon ay ang Nuvali CBD ng Ayala.

Take note, even the villages near Filinvest(10-15min away) are more expensive than any of the ones in Nuvali. This speaks of the demand in the area. Nuvali as it is now is overpriced in my honest opinion.

LhexiMont

September 6th, 2011, 04:04 PM

;83535551']Nope. BGC did not overtake Filinvest because of Ayala. It overtook Filinvest because of location. Although I would say Ayala is a more aggressive developer than Filinvest, Inwouln't attribute BGC's success to them solely.

Madrigal Business Park is also essentially an Ayala development, but it has been much slower than BGC only because its location is not nearly as strategic... at least in the immediate future.

That's it , proximity to the major business district or the stragegic location is really a key factor and the fact that both Makati and BGC districts are controlled by Ayalas , BGC will really gain mileage since they have more available land area to offer and it is a planned business district.

Anyway , it's not only in the Laguna area where there are plan business districts but in the nearby Cavite which is the Evia City which is close to 600 hectares and there are already established middle class villages such as Portofino and many others . With the Daang Hari-SLEX link road on track , it will give rise to a possible cluster of business districts /commercial centers
on the fringes of southern Metro Manila and Cavite province ( MBP , FCC , Evia and possibly in the vast NBP /Susana Heights area if the prison site will be relocated immediately to its new site elsewhere in Luzon ).
Filinvest helped a lot in terms im improving road infrastructures in Alabang area as they really constructed good interchanges /exits
and mostly wide avenues that benefited the residents of AAV and many other villages on the stretch of Daang Hari
and it's very commendable of them.
At least , although it's few , they are trying their best and still building several projects ( Entrata , Levels , Studio City , FS mall expansion ) in FCC for continuing projects activities there. What they lack though are new major developments from private developers.

[kq90]

September 6th, 2011, 06:15 PM

That's it , proximity to the major business district or the stragegic location is really a key factor and the fact that both Makati and BGC districts are controlled by Ayalas , BGC will really gain mileage since they have more available land area to offer and it is a planned business district.

Anyway , it's not only in the Laguna area where there are plan business districts but in the nearby Cavite which is the Evia City which is close to 600 hectares and there are already established middle class villages such as Portofino and many others . With the Daang Hari-SLEX link road on track , it will give rise to a possible cluster of business districts /commercial centers
on the fringes of southern Metro Manila and Cavite province ( MBP , FCC , Evia and possibly in the vast NBP /Susana Heights area if the prison site will be relocated immediately to its new site elsewhere in Luzon ).
Filinvest helped a lot in terms im improving road infrastructures in Alabang area as they really constructed good interchanges /exits
and mostly wide avenues ( wider than BGC ) that benefited the residents of AAV and many other villages on the stretch of Daang Hari
and it's very commendable of them.
At least , although it's few , they are trying their best and still building several projects ( Entrata , Levels , Studio City , FS mall expansion ) in FCC for continuing projects activities there. What they lack though are new major developments from private developers.

Alabang, in general, is still the most strategic location south of Taguig/Makati area. As the south develops, Alabang will be right in the center of Makati and the greater south (particularly Laguna and Cavite). With condominiums sprouting in Muntinlupa, it is also inevitable that the demand for office space in Alabang will grow. Right now, Alabang is starting to rapidly expand once again. Aside from the retail expansions of ATC, Festival Mall, Westgate, and Molito Complex, there are a number of residential and hotel projects in the pipeline. Retail space and residential space will at least be doubled in the next 2-3 years, because of Asya in Hillsborough, The Levels and Studio City in FCC, Avida, Azumi, and another unnamed one in MBP area. There's also a hotel to be built by Ayala in MBP to be launched this year.

As for Laguna, I am not doubting that it is a good investment. Laguna will probably grow to become another CBD of its own in the future. I just don't think it will overtake development in Alabang in the same way Alabang won't overtake development in Makati/Taguig in the near future.

Anyway, I don't think developments in Alabang will be directly competing with developments in Laguna. As a matter of fact, they will just complement each other.

LhexiMont

September 7th, 2011, 06:25 AM

;83541399']Alabang, in general, is still the most strategic location south of Taguig/Makati area. As the south develops, Alabang will be right in the center of Makati and the greater south (particularly Laguna and Cavite). With condominiums sprouting in Muntinlupa, it is also inevitable that the demand for office space in Alabang will grow. Right now, Alabang is starting to rapidly expand once again. Aside from the retail expansions of ATC, Festival Mall, Westgate, and Molito Complex, there are a number of residential and hotel projects in the pipeline. Retail space and residential space will at least be doubled in the next 2-3 years, because of Asya in Hillsborough, The Levels and Studio City in FCC, Avida, Azumi, and another unnamed one in MBP area. There's also a hotel to be built by Ayala in MBP to be launched this year.

As for Laguna, I am not doubting that it is a good investment. Laguna will probably grow to become another CBD of its own in the future. I just don't think it will overtake development in Alabang in the same way Alabang won't overtake development in Makati/Taguig in the near future.

Anyway, I don't think developments in Alabang will be directly competing with developments in Laguna. As a matter of fact, they will just complement each other.

Yes , there are several midrise residential cluster developments particularly in Cupang/Sucat area which are being built simultaneously which will contribute to the growing skyline of Alabang.
I also hope Megaworld will build at least a high rise project in their property in Alabang.
I think , the Skyway stage 2 ( Bicutan-Alabang ) immensely contributed to the sudden influx of these mid to high rise residential community projects in the area .

Manila-X

September 7th, 2011, 08:15 AM

;83541399']Alabang, in general, is still the most strategic location south of Taguig/Makati area. As the south develops, Alabang will be right in the center of Makati and the greater south (particularly Laguna and Cavite). With condominiums sprouting in Muntinlupa, it is also inevitable that the demand for office space in Alabang will grow. Right now, Alabang is starting to rapidly expand once again. Aside from the retail expansions of ATC, Festival Mall, Westgate, and Molito Complex, there are a number of residential and hotel projects in the pipeline. Retail space and residential space will at least be doubled in the next 2-3 years, because of Asya in Hillsborough, The Levels and Studio City in FCC, Avida, Azumi, and another unnamed one in MBP area. There's also a hotel to be built by Ayala in MBP to be launched this year.

As for Laguna, I am not doubting that it is a good investment. Laguna will probably grow to become another CBD of its own in the future. I just don't think it will overtake development in Alabang in the same way Alabang won't overtake development in Makati/Taguig in the near future.

Anyway, I don't think developments in Alabang will be directly competing with developments in Laguna. As a matter of fact, they will just complement each other.

True about Alabang's position. But again, FCC's core development has been slow. It seems like there is more happening in Madrigal Business Park when it comes to office space.

[kq90]

September 7th, 2011, 10:51 AM

True about Alabang's position. But again, FCC's core development has been slow. It seems like there is more happening in Madrigal Business Park when it comes to office space.

Agreed. In addition to this, Madrigal Business Park's lot prices are far ahead of FCC's. Although I think Madrigal Business Park and ATC area will always be faster than FCC in terms of development, I think FCC will eventually pick up too. Hopefully, Filinvest shows more aggressiveness in developing FCC as their company grows.

Manila-X

September 7th, 2011, 11:05 AM

;83562269']Agreed. In addition to this, Madrigal Business Park's lot prices are far ahead of FCC's. Although I think Madrigal Business Park and ATC area will always be faster than FCC in terms of development, I think FCC will eventually pick up too. Hopefully, Filinvest shows more aggressiveness in developing FCC as their company grows.

The masterplan for FCC is state of the art, a real satellite city. But it didn't took off that well.

Madrigal Business Park on the other is mostly mid-rise structures. But once The Avida Residences is completed it will add some height to the area.

ATC is going to be the premier shopping destination in Southern Metro Manila especially for the middle-class and the elite. It is getting bigger unlike back in the 80s-90s

Add to this is The Molito commercial centre where Puregold is located.

LhexiMont

September 7th, 2011, 12:55 PM

The masterplan for FCC is state of the art, a real satellite city. But it didn't took off that well.

Madrigal Business Park on the other is mostly mid-rise structures. But once The Avida Residences is completed it will add some height to the area.

ATC is going to be the premier shopping destination in Southern Metro Manila especially for the middle-class and the elite. It is getting bigger unlike back in the 80s-90s

Add to this is The Molito commercial centre where Puregold is located.

Madrigal Business Park was developed wayback in the mid-80s but it still have quite a number of empty lots too which could be built with more highrises . With Molito Complex built between ATC and MBP it further integrates the two. By size , MBP and ATC combined are way bigger than Eastwood or Rockwell.

Manila-X

September 8th, 2011, 05:36 AM

Madrigal Business Park was developed wayback in the mid-80s but it still have quite a number of empty lots too which could be built with more highrises . With Molito Complex built between ATC and MBP it further integrates the two. By size , MBP and ATC combined are way bigger than Eastwood or Rockwell.

Size, yes but when it comes to shops, entertainment and vibrancy, ATC / Molito is a far cry.

True about Madrigal Business Park developed back in the 80s but it took off during the late 90s.

From the looks of the plan, it is supposed to be mostly mid-rise structures. The new Avida complex seems to break this law. I'm wondering about the zoning in this area.

BTW, if there is one thing I miss in MBP is Big Bang sa Alabang especially during X-Mas season. I even remember they moved it near FCC at the site where S&R now stands.

jhomai14

September 8th, 2011, 06:37 AM

Manila-X

September 8th, 2011, 07:08 AM

an ayala center wanna-be that ended up as a failure together with filinvest corporate city because there are still lots of vacant lands that has not yet been sold up to now. hell, even global city outdone alabang even though madrigal and filinvest were already there long before the global. Tama ba??? buti na lang at nagrerenovate na ang ATC eh.

FBGC and FCC started in the same time. But again, The Fort has the advantage of its location being in the city centre unlike the suburban location of FCC or MBP. Especially when it is very close to Makati, the prime CBD in Metro Manila.

ATC is still a nice mall. Much bigger compared to back in the 90s and before. And again, this was the mall that had the first Kenny Rogers Roasters and Mexicali.

Planning Democracy

September 8th, 2011, 07:24 AM

LhexiMont

September 8th, 2011, 07:57 AM

Manila-X

September 8th, 2011, 07:58 AM

Personally I like the slow pace of development in Alabang, who cares about BGC and those other areas further south? Let them develop faster we don't need more traffic in Alabang. Imagine how many cars there will be once the FCC gets fully developed? Alabang has always been about vast open spaces of grass and slow development, keep it that way.

For one, traffic management in Alabang-Zapote must be improved, especially near "Standard" and the Las Pinas area, the traffic there spills over to Acacia.

Two, the alternate route to South Super from Daang Hari must be built soon, but I doubt if even that will stem the tide of cars coming from Cavite going to Alabang.

And three, they should be planning for a mass transport system as there will be a hell lot of people going to FCC once it gets fully developed.

It seems that those living in the south are more depended on automobiles than those living in the city.

I would care since this is my area and there are those living in the south who just stay in this area and not travel all the way to the city.

Traffic on The Alabang-Zapote road is indeed a problem and there are no alternative routes other than going through BF Homes which you will need a sticker to access.

On the other hand, there was one time BF Homes was open to the general public and it caused traffic inside.

As for South to Daang Hari. I hope so as well. Because the current one is a long winding road that leads to San Pedro Laguna. And it is a pain since you have to pay P40 fee at one subdivision so you can pass by their area. Plus there is no Manila exit in San Pedro so you will have to drive all the way in the national highway all the way to the road leading to the Susanna Heights SLEX stop.

Better if a rapid transit or tram network roll through Alabang-Zapote road to decongest traffic.

I currently live in BF Homes. But I spend money on getting two vital stickers, that of BF Homes (c'mon this is my area) and that of Alabang Hills. I also have an Ayala Alabang sticker as well since I frequently go to The Country Club where I usually workout weekend mornings.

Manila-X

September 8th, 2011, 08:05 AM

Yes correct , we just have to wait because we can't do anything about if its not developing fast. The land will be just there anyway and once the building boom comes , that's the time it will takeoff , FCC is a well conceptualized business district and for me it's cannot be considered a failure at all , the real failure is the AsiaWorld City in Manila Bay area since it was more than two decades already . In FCC , there are always structure being built from time to time , it maybe few but it counts .
Aside from the location , perhaps Ayala is not that really aggressive on further developing MBP since once it gets fully built up , the spillover developments will go to FCC.
FCC has been supportive in building up infrastructures such as interchanges for its accesibility , an organized transport termninal and wider road networks within the district . In right time , it will result into something favorable to them for sure .
I hope we can also see some high rise developments within the Alabang viaduct / Alabang Interchange area in the coming years .

It is more if potential developers are interested in buying a lot in these CBDs.

Asia World City is now beginning to take off for the simplest reason, Mall of Asia. It usually takes at least one good shopping mall to make a place development with the exception of FCC.

Take Ortigas Centre for example. Once Megamall, Rob Galleria and Shangri-La were built, more developments followed. Back in the 80s when these malls did not exist, Ortigas was like FCC.

LhexiMont

September 8th, 2011, 08:09 AM

Size, yes but when it comes to shops, entertainment and vibrancy, ATC / Molito is a far cry.

True about Madrigal Business Park developed back in the 80s but it took off during the late 90s.

From the looks of the plan, it is supposed to be mostly mid-rise structures. The new Avida complex seems to break this law. I'm wondering about the zoning in this area.

BTW, if there is one thing I miss in MBP is Big Bang sa Alabang especially during X-Mas season. I even remember they moved it near FCC at the site where S&R now stands.

It was named Fantasy Land i think , FCC was already being developed then but the area where the Fantasy land is still not flattened .

Manila-X

September 8th, 2011, 08:11 AM

It was named Fantasy Land i think , FCC was already being developed then but the area where the Fantasy land is still not flattened .

It was but the area within Alabang-Zapote road was still a cliff.

That was back in the early to mid-90s.

LhexiMont

September 8th, 2011, 08:18 AM

It is more if potential developers are interested in buying a lot in these CBDs.

Asia World City is now beginning to take off for the simplest reason, Mall of Asia. It usually takes at least one good shopping mall to make a place development with the exception of FCC.

Take Ortigas Centre for example. Once Megamall, Rob Galleria and Shangri-La were built, more developments followed. Back in the 80s when these malls did not exist, Ortigas was like FCC.

Prior to SM Mall of Asia , there is the failed Uniwide Coastal Mall also near AW city , that's why it did not also prosper.
With Entrata Mall and Festival expansion , perhaps it can revitalize developments in FCC.
Sana kasi magkaroon din ng mixed-used complex and SM or Robinson within FCC , ideally on that huge vacant lot between Festival Mall and Wilcon Home Depot / Northgate Cyberzone area . At least 3 or 4 hectares din yata yun , i-maximized lang for a mixed-used complex ayos na.

Manila-X

September 8th, 2011, 09:08 AM

Prior to SM Mall of Asia , there is the failed Uniwide Coastal Mall also near AW city , that's why it did not also prosper.
With Entrata Mall and Festival expansion , perhaps it can revitalize developments in FCC.
Sana kasi magkaroon din ng mixed-used complex and SM or Robinson within FCC , ideally on that huge vacant lot between Festival Mall and Wilcon Home Depot / Northgate Cyberzone area . At least 3 or 4 hectares din yata yun , i-maximized lang for a mixed-used complex ayos na.

Uniwide Coastal Mall failed for the simplest reasons, poor management the fact this mall cater to the C & D market plus the later presence of SM and Robinsons in The Cavite area particularly in Bacoor, Imus, Dasma and Rosario. Before, Caviteños used to stop by Uniwide before heading back to Cavite.

Wala akong naririnig sa expansion ng Festival. Pero mukang maganda ang mangyayari sa Entrata parang sya Podium sa Ortigas.

LhexiMont

September 8th, 2011, 11:34 AM

[kq90]

September 8th, 2011, 07:47 PM

Just wondering, are you perhaps from Alabang too, PlanningDemocracy? Your sentiments are very much like the sentiments of many "Alabang-ers," hehe.

an ayala center wanna-be that ended up as a failure together with filinvest corporate city because there are still lots of vacant lands that has not yet been sold up to now. hell, even global city outdone alabang even though madrigal and filinvest were already there long before the global. Tama ba??? buti na lang at nagrerenovate na ang ATC eh.

You really must be naive to think that Filinvest and Madrigal are both failures only because it was "outdone" by BGC. Again, comparing BGC with FCC and concluding that the latter is pale because of the speed of development is illogical. To be frank, BGC easily ate off the heavy demand for more space in Makati because of BGC's close proximity to Makati. Being that Makati is the most important financial district, it is not surprising that BGC would quickly outpace other developments in terms of buildings. Notably, BGC is still mostly residential, which is unsurprising because its main selling point (before, at least) was its proximity to Makati CBD. The situation is very much different from Alabang, which is far from any other major CBDs - as a matter of fact, it is the most important one in the south.

BTW, all lots in MBP and AAV have been sold a long time ago, just so you know. FCC, on the other hand, opted not to sell all at once. Developers here are just more conservative since Alabang is not nearly as sure-fire as a development right beside Makati CBD.

thomasian

September 8th, 2011, 07:56 PM

Festival Supermall Expansion

Warning, malaki ito, baka hindi niyo kayanin! :naughty:
from http://www.photobucket.com
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b210/ofngol/2011/festival.jpg

LhexiMont

September 8th, 2011, 08:29 PM

Beautiful and vivid rendering of the expansion of Festival Mall , thanks...@ Thomasian .

Manila-X

September 9th, 2011, 05:59 AM

;83607677']Just wondering, are you perhaps from Alabang too, PlanningDemocracy? Your sentiments are very much like the sentiments of many "Alabang-ers," hehe.

You really must be naive to think that Filinvest and Madrigal are both failures only because it was "outdone" by BGC. Again, comparing BGC with FCC and concluding that the latter is pale because of the speed of development is illogical. To be frank, BGC easily ate off the heavy demand for more space in Makati because of BGC's close proximity to Makati. Being that Makati is the most important financial district, it is not surprising that BGC would quickly outpace other developments in terms of buildings. Notably, BGC is still mostly residential, which is unsurprising because its main selling point (before, at least) was its proximity to Makati CBD. The situation is very much different from Alabang, which is far from any other major CBDs - as a matter of fact, it is the most important one in the south.

BTW, all lots in MBP and AAV have been sold a long time ago, just so you know. FCC, on the other hand, opted not to sell all at once. Developers here are just more conservative since Alabang is not nearly as sure-fire as a development right beside Makati CBD.

Also Alabang is still quite a distance from the city centre.

Manila-X

September 9th, 2011, 06:03 AM

Same fate happened to Uniwide Metro Mall -Las Pinas . It was quite a formidable mall then , but when StarMall-Alabang and Festival Mall opened along with the established SM Southmall and ATC .
Sa Alabang area naman , mahina yung Lianas Mall but operating pa rin naman .
By the way any recent pics of Starmall Alabang renovations .... updates please...thanks

As for the upcoming Entrata mall will be similar to the Podium mall , it has quite an advantage since along with the mall , there are also existing high rise office and hotel tower which will be operational soon and possibly the completion of the other two towers above it in years to come.

Simple, Uniwide's service and infrastructure is inferior compared to the newer malls like Festival or even Starmall.

Uniwide is more for the C crowd and below, same with Starmall. The only thing is Starmall has location advantage plus there is a bus terminal right in front of it.

Lianas Mall is also the same, for the C crowd and below so operations there is still business as usual.

On the other hand, Festival expansion seems promising and so does ATC. What I'm looking for in this malls are more designer boutiques and of course, Fully Booked.

Planning Democracy

September 9th, 2011, 10:50 AM

;83607677']Just wondering, are you perhaps from Alabang too, PlanningDemocracy? Your sentiments are very much like the sentiments of many "Alabang-ers," hehe.

You really must be naive to think that Filinvest and Madrigal are both failures only because it was "outdone" by BGC. Again, comparing BGC with FCC and concluding that the latter is pale because of the speed of development is illogical. To be frank, BGC easily ate off the heavy demand for more space in Makati because of BGC's close proximity to Makati. Being that Makati is the most important financial district, it is not surprising that BGC would quickly outpace other developments in terms of buildings. Notably, BGC is still mostly residential, which is unsurprising because its main selling point (before, at least) was its proximity to Makati CBD. The situation is very much different from Alabang, which is far from any other major CBDs - as a matter of fact, it is the most important one in the south.

BTW, all lots in MBP and AAV have been sold a long time ago, just so you know. FCC, on the other hand, opted not to sell all at once. Developers here are just more conservative since Alabang is not nearly as sure-fire as a development right beside Makati CBD.

Yep, that's why I really hate the traffic there now, it used to be a sanctuary from all that crap.

Well, FCC is a satellite development meant to cater to the booming CALABARZON days back then, and when Ayala lost the bid for the Stock Farm, they developed the MBP. I don't know why some people are comparing them to the BGC, in fact BGC was bought out by Ayala from Metro Pacific because it didn't develop fast enough. I don't know if FCC and MBP are carrying any debt, but they sure aren't being "bought out" by anyone.

LhexiMont

September 10th, 2011, 05:51 AM

Well for now, let's be happy and contented with what's happening in Alabang to Sucat area . Although it's not that many its sustaining enough. Some of the major road infrastructures are already there while the railroad rehabilitation and expansion is on the go.
The three major malls in Alabang will have expansions/ renovation which will be completed in months/years .
Also , has anybody knows about the SucMun Bay Marina in Sucat ? It will be in a strip of reclaimed land off Laguna lake which will have a ferry boat terminal , leisure park and Sucat's civic square of sorts .
It will probably complement the propose lakeside development of Vista Lake front in the future .

[kq90]

September 11th, 2011, 06:35 PM

Yep, that's why I really hate the traffic there now, it used to be a sanctuary from all that crap.

Well, FCC is a satellite development meant to cater to the booming CALABARZON days back then, and when Ayala lost the bid for the Stock Farm, they developed the MBP. I don't know why some people are comparing them to the BGC, in fact BGC was bought out by Ayala from Metro Pacific because it didn't develop fast enough. I don't know if FCC and MBP are carrying any debt, but they sure aren't being "bought out" by anyone.

I knew it! Anyway, I too hope the traffic situation is fixed here. For one, I think the proposed AAV gate in FCC is a necessity. That would help most, if not all, AAV residents and Commerce rd. users.

Hopefully more infrastructure work is done to make Alabang more future-proof.

In other news... My Thai and Jack's Loft will finally have branches in Alabang. They will be opened along with another Pho Hoa branch, in Alabang, now in Festival Mall.

LhexiMont

September 11th, 2011, 08:58 PM

How is the ATC expansion progressing ,,any photos please ..

[kq90]

September 12th, 2011, 02:49 AM

How is the ATC expansion progressing ,,any photos please ..
Metro Gaisano and The Gardens are on their last floors while the Lifestyle Strip is being constructed quickly with most steel frames complete. The walls are already being done in the lifestyle strip too. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lifestyle Strip gets completed before the Gaisano mall and The Gardens.

Sadly, I seldom take pictures so I can't post any for now.

LhexiMont

September 12th, 2011, 05:17 AM

;83703283']Metro Gaisano and The Gardens are on their last floors while the Lifestyle Strip is being constructed quickly with most steel frames complete. The walls are already being done in the lifestyle strip too. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lifestyle Strip gets completed before the Gaisano mall and The Gardens.

Sadly, I seldom take pictures so I can't post any for now.

What are the features of The Gardens ? and where it is exactly located within the ATC .
Nandun pa rin ba yung mga old buildings sa harapan ng ATC like yung may National Bookstore at yung may BPI branch and then yung McDonald's drive thru ( sometime ago McDo was rumored to be demolished and transferred to Molito area. )
Maganda siguro , yung whole stretch ng frontage of ATC sa Alabang Zapote ay idemolished na nila lahat ng old structures including the
parking areas for future expansion of ATC into a mixed used complex . Gawin nilang truly modern yung mga structures na itatayo that will truly be a showcase, since it lies along a national road.

[kq90]

September 12th, 2011, 01:29 PM

This is The Gardens...

I dunno if this has been posted already
http://alabangbulletin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/100913-ATC-REDEV-The-Garden-2-cropped.jpg

It will link ATC with Gaisano.

[kq90]

September 12th, 2011, 07:25 PM

Soon in Alabang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhVl5_fJGo

The Molito Lifestyle Centre along with Soderno Market (organized by the same people behind Mercato in BGC) which will be a weekend market for food, fashion, arts, and crafts.

Planning Democracy

September 13th, 2011, 01:16 AM

;83723674']Soon in Alabang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhVl5_fJGo

The Molito Lifestyle Centre along with Soderno Market (organized by the same people behind Mercato in BGC) which will be a weekend market for food, fashion, arts, and crafts.

Is this Soderno Market a night market thing as well?

I guess were gonna see that guy from "Our Awesome Planet" do more reviews of restos here in the south. :lol:

[kq90]

September 13th, 2011, 04:24 AM

Is this Soderno Market a night market thing as well?

I guess were gonna see that guy from "Our Awesome Planet" do more reviews of restos here in the south. :lol:

· SODERNO LIFESTYLE MARKET every SATURDAY (7am-4pm). The Lifestyle market is the place to enjoy fashion, arts and crafts and food.

· SODERNO ORGANIC MARKET every SUNDAY (7am-4pm). The Organic Lifestyle market is the place to go for food, organic and natural produce and eco-friendly products.

· SODERNO NIGHTS every FRIDAY & SATURDAY (6pm-3am). The vibrant Night market combines the best that each market has to offer: fashion, arts & crafts and, of course, food!

Check this page out for more info: http://www.ourawesomeplanet.com/awesome/2011/09/soderno-at-molito.html

According to the Molito masterplan seen in the page, it will also eventually house 3 condominiums too. Hopefully they made a study on the effect of these condominiums on traffic in Madrigal and Commerce.

Manila-X

September 13th, 2011, 05:10 AM

Is this Soderno Market a night market thing as well?

I guess were gonna see that guy from "Our Awesome Planet" do more reviews of restos here in the south. :lol:

The strip of Aguirre Ave. in BF Homes Parañaque is already restaurant haven offering a wide variety of international cuisine. Lots of establishments there are worth reviewing.

The only thing is they are not located in Muntinlupa.

[kq90]

September 13th, 2011, 06:37 AM

The strip of Aguirre Ave. in BF Homes Parañaque is already restaurant haven offering a wide variety of international cuisine. Lots of establishments there are worth reviewing.

The only thing is they are not located in Muntinlupa.

Yep. No doubt we would probably see the restaurants there reviewed more too. Haha.

Manila-X

September 13th, 2011, 07:42 AM

;83692135']I knew it! Anyway, I too hope the traffic situation is fixed here. For one, I think the proposed AAV gate in FCC is a necessity. That would help most, if not all, AAV residents and Commerce rd. users.

Hopefully more infrastructure work is done to make Alabang more future-proof.

In other news... My Thai and Jack's Loft will finally have branches in Alabang. They will be opened along with another Pho Hoa branch, in Alabang, now in Festival Mall.

I've heard about the FCC gate since there is already light to moderate traffic from Madrigal heading to FCC.

Since this area lies in MM's suburbs, I doubt rapid transit would be built there. Better improve The Alabang station of The PNR Orange Line and make it more accessible including walkways.

Manila-X

September 13th, 2011, 07:44 AM

;83739730']Yep. No doubt we would probably see the restaurants there reviewed more too. Haha.

Recently, an Irish pub opened there and when I pass by it, there are loads of western expats especially of course, Irish.

But I think most of them live in Muntinlupa especially the Alabang Hills or Ayala Alabang but this is where they hang-out.

BTW, Muntinlupa is setting a good example of using paper bags instead of plastic. I hope other MM cities would follow.

LhexiMont

September 13th, 2011, 02:34 PM

;83723674']Soon in Alabang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhVl5_fJGo

The Molito Lifestyle Centre along with Soderno Market (organized by the same people behind Mercato in BGC) which will be a weekend market for food, fashion, arts, and crafts.

The Molito Lifestyle Center looks very refreshing and promising and with a park and three tower condominium in the plan , that would be awesome . Just across Molito is the Avida Towers -Alabang and there is also an upcoming Kukun boutique hotel.
Molito Complex is definitely the missing link between Madrigal Business Park and Alabang Town Center while ATC itself is currently beefing up for major expansion.
These noteworthy projects will further spur the developments in MBP as residential towers are now invading the area .
Are they going to connect the internal road network of MBP to that of Molito Complex , hopefully they do since MBP, Molito and ATC are walkable when interconnected , IMHO.

Manila-X

September 13th, 2011, 03:07 PM

Come to think of it I find it odd if these 3 tower condominiums will end up as high-rise. The fact that MBP is originally have mid-rise zoning.

LhexiMont

September 13th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Avida Alabang Towers is already a high rise ( above 25 storeys ) , it will not be surprising if the newer condominiums and office towers to be built in MBP will be high rise too.
Richville Corporate tower is around 23-24 storeys and there are several 15-20 storey buildings existing in MBP.

[kq90]

September 13th, 2011, 05:41 PM

The zoning for the madrigal block has less restrictions. That's why they can have a retail strip of their own in the first place...

I honestly don't think the condominiums in the Molito complex / Madrigal block are a good idea though... let alone making them high rises. The traffic in Madrigal rd. will be horrible if the AAV barangay does not block the development of these towers. Let's not forget that aside from these three condos, 2 are already being developed in MBP and another is in the pipeline in a nearby block.

I will only be okay with such development if alternate gates, not in Commerce rd, for AAV are created first. Otherwise, traffic in Commerce and Zapote will be much worse for everyone.

BTW, just for everybody's information... zoning in MBP is not height-restricted... instead, buildings are only allowed to have a certain ratio of GLA to land area. Ratios depend on the location of the lot. I dunno how the GLA restrictions are with residential developments though since they were just added recently when a certain group of people decided to push for a change in the restrictions so that residential condominiums like Avida in Alabang are permissible in MBP. The restrictions back then are also the reason why residential condominiums weren't being constructed in MBP before.

Manila-X

September 14th, 2011, 07:19 AM

I also do not agree with having condominiums within Molito as well. Unfortunately, road withing these areas are limited and public transportation is less frequent. Plus there is no rapid transit in this area.

Planning Democracy

September 14th, 2011, 08:07 AM

;83736404']

According to the Molito masterplan seen in the page, it will also eventually house 3 condominiums too. Hopefully they made a study on the effect of these condominiums on traffic in Madrigal and Commerce.

They probably didn't do a study, whose the developer of Molito? Just the Madrigals or is this a JV as well with Ayala?

LhexiMont

September 14th, 2011, 08:20 AM

That's what I'm gonna ask too , about who is the developer of Molito Complex ...

[kq90]

September 14th, 2011, 11:41 AM

I think it's just the Madrigals, rumors have it that they haven't really been in good terms recently. I'm not so sure myself though. :-P

BTW, I'm also skeptical that any traffic study was done prior to the planning of the condos.

LhexiMont

September 16th, 2011, 11:45 AM

How about ang SM Mall in Tunasan , no plans of expanding yet and convert the mall from supercenter to city?
Wishful thinking ko if ever expand ang mall dun sa likod sila expand , kung puede nila bilhin yung warehouse compound at their back . Kasi ang likod ng warehouse ay SLEX na . Then gawa sila ng access road ( 2 lane at least ) from National Road to Susana Heights Interchange since may project naman sila na Lindenwood Residences inside the vast Susana Heights.
Timely rin naman kung sakali na gawin nilang expansion yung likod kasi baka thru SH interchange mai-connect ang Daang Hari/SLEX link road .
Dun sa expansion sa likod gawin nilang mala-skygarden na mas mataas sa current mall na puede ma view ang Laguna Lake or sa other side ay yung NBP / Susana Heights naman. Wishful thinking lang naman ..kaso matagal pa yata bago mag expand , less than 5 years pa lang kasi ang mall .

JulZ

September 19th, 2011, 02:25 AM

ALABANG TOWN CENTER -LIFESTYLE STRIP...

http://i55.tinypic.com/11ghd1y.jpg

(will try to get clear pictures soon..):)

Planning Democracy

September 19th, 2011, 04:39 AM

Naisip ko rin, instead of an MRT along Alabang-Zapote road, elevated BRT na lang like that of Xiamen (http://www.transportphoto.net/cmtbrt.aspx?l=en&cmtc=Xiamen). Connected to the future expansion of the LRT 1 in Zapote and then to Starmall in Alabang to the PNR or a connection to the Skyway. Maybe even have a spur at-grade portion at Daang Hari. Imagine being able to go anywhere in Metro Manila but just taking the BRT and then light rail, no more "kalbaryo" commuting.

Pag BRT kasi, it can act like an LRT along the elevated busway but still have to flexibility of using regular roads, so best of both worlds, but anyway, that's a topic for another thread. But for Muntinlupa, for example if you live in Las Pinas or anywhere further south or north, if there is a BRT along alabang-zapote, then working in FCC would be more convenient, you don't have to take a jeep that always gets stuck in traffic along the A-Z road.

Manila-X

September 19th, 2011, 04:59 AM

Planning Democracy

September 19th, 2011, 05:11 AM

Kung ganun lang elevated mag rapid transit na lang para mas maganda. Mas mahal kay sa BRT pero mas advanced ang dating!

I like the flexibility of the BRT though, take a look at the pictures of the Xiamen BRT mukhang high tech rin naman at saka malinis tingnan. :lol:

Or a subway? Di naman ata flood prone ang A-Z road. I think there should be talk of a mass transport system as early as now, once all the buildings are up in FCC, just imagine the horrendous traffic.

amras

September 19th, 2011, 07:21 AM

any form of mass transport is acceptable to me (although i'm leaning more towards a metro :p). that Alabang-Zapoter road badly needs one SOON!

too bad, i haven't heard anything about any plans to put up one. Although FCC is designed to accommodate mass transport systems..

LhexiMont

September 19th, 2011, 07:33 AM

ALABANG TOWN CENTER -LIFESTYLE STRIP...

http://i55.tinypic.com/11ghd1y.jpg

(will try to get clear pictures soon..):)

Is this lifestyle strip beside Corte de las Palmas of ATC ?

LhexiMont

September 19th, 2011, 07:44 AM

Matutuloy pa kaya yung pedestrian overpass sa Poblacion , sana ituloy pa rin ng current city administration. May plans ba i-widened ang JP Rizal St. from National Road up to the NBP entrance ? or gawin talaga nilang quality road yung Daang Hari /SLEX link road with provision for expansion further than 4-lanes since this is a priority project that will truly a big help to solve traffic problems. I'm all okay na sa Susana Heights Interchange ito interlink thru SLEX basta i-upgrade din nila yung interchange to accomodate the additional volume of vehicles.

Manila-X

September 19th, 2011, 08:10 AM

I like the flexibility of the BRT though, take a look at the pictures of the Xiamen BRT mukhang high tech rin naman at saka malinis tingnan. :lol:

Or a subway? Di naman ata flood prone ang A-Z road. I think there should be talk of a mass transport system as early as now, once all the buildings are up in FCC, just imagine the horrendous traffic.

Hindi masyado flood prone ang south. Di nga bumaha sa amin yung nangyari ang Ondoy.

Ang bahain na lugar sa Muntinlupa ay yung malapit sa Laguna De Bay, parang below sea level ang lugar.

Yes sasama ang traffic sa lugar na yun once na developed na ang mga CBDs sa south. Makakaron ng dahilan ang mga tao doon na bumili ng non-resident stickers sa ibat ibang subdivision katulad na lang ng BF Homes o Alabang Hills.

JulZ

September 19th, 2011, 11:44 AM

Is this lifestyle strip beside Corte de las Palmas of ATC ?

actually nasa Corte de las Palmas ako nang kinunan ko yan, so sa harap siya hanggang sa side ang kahabaan niya (upto Makati Supermarket)

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=184751634898660&ref=mf

[kq90]

September 19th, 2011, 03:22 PM

Looks like Ayala Malls is doing everything they can to finish the expansion of ATC by Christmas. I hope they use better flooring for the new wing linking to Gaisano... the new ones in the Activity Center and other parts are awful.

LhexiMont

September 19th, 2011, 04:38 PM

So , the expansion of ATC has three segments and are simultaneously being done namely : Metro-Alabang ( Dept.Store/Supermarket ) , Link Mall and Lifestyle mall . The more the merrier , the better .
Add to that the upcoming Entrata Mall , Molito Lifestyle Center , Starmall Alabang minor expansion and the grandest Festival Supermall major expansion .

mwg12a

September 19th, 2011, 05:36 PM

plseller

September 19th, 2011, 09:02 PM

Why the rush to build all these new condos in alabang? I remember when alabang was just full of empty spaces with kugon grass and fresh air. We were one of the first groups of residents in AAV and I could still see cars in the super highway and the meralco power station in the distance. Now it's just another polluted, crowded city. Progress isn't all about how many new buildings we create or how many more cars there are on the road.

Planning Democracy

September 20th, 2011, 04:33 AM

^^

The New Alabang days of the 80s are long gone, we can only reminisce. :)

But do we have a say in Muntinlupa's development? Sometimes you feel that you can only watch...

[kq90]

September 20th, 2011, 04:37 AM

Alabang is still far less crowded or polluted than other CBDs. Compare the number of people and cars in Makati and Ortigas to Alabang and you'll see that Alabang is still really just a mega-suburb. However, I do agree that development here must be more well planned.

The reason as to why there are many developers developing condominiums in Alabang is simple: there's a demand for them. Lots are becoming more expensive and so some people are looking for alternatives to buying lots in subdivisions.

Another factor is the change in the deed of restrictions in MBP. Up until last year, residential condominiums were disallowed in MBP. Now that residential condominiums have been allowed, more and more developers who have lots in MBP are looking into developing them as residential buildings.

[kq90]

September 20th, 2011, 04:45 AM

Manila-X

September 20th, 2011, 05:56 AM

Metro Manila is getting bigger! It is already one of the world's largest cities. So I would not be surprise if developments happens in its inner suburbs and beyond including Alabang.

Manila-X

September 20th, 2011, 05:58 AM

^^

The New Alabang days of the 80s are long gone, we can only reminisce. :)

But do we have a say in Muntinlupa's development? Sometimes you feel that you can only watch...

True though the only thing I missed is Big Bang. Lets say the 90s Alabang I missed.

Alabang in the 80s was not that commercialized and ATC only had a few restaurants, shops, an ice cream parlour and twin cinemas.

Then Robinsons came but was later demolished with the expansion of ATC. Casa Susana is the only establishment standing from that era.

Back in those days, you have to travel to the city to shop. Now you don't.

LhexiMont

September 20th, 2011, 06:15 AM

;83952314']Alabang is still far less crowded or polluted than other CBDs. Compare the number of people and cars in Makati and Ortigas to Alabang and you'll see that Alabang is still really just a mega-suburb. However, I do agree that development here must be more well planned.

The reason as to why there are many developers developing condominiums in Alabang is simple: there's a demand for them. Lots are becoming more expensive and so some people are looking for alternatives to buying lots in subdivisions.

Another factor is the change in the deed of restrictions in MBP. Up until last year, residential condominiums were disallowed in MBP. Now that residential condominiums have been allowed, more and more developers who have lots in MBP are looking into developing them as residential buildings.

It will not be surprising then that we will see those vacants lots in MBP of which were already sold will be finally built up with residential buildings now that the restriction has been lifted .
In this regard , maybe the owners/developer of MBP must do something in further expanding their portion of Alabang-Zapote Road as the current , is already choked up in rush hours. The Filinvest -Alabang portion was already expanded/improved .

LhexiMont

September 20th, 2011, 06:24 AM

The original Commerce Avenue on the AAV portion , has it been improved already the way the FCC portion is ? ( asphalt overlayed , uniformed street lighting , well-landscaped , good quality sidewalks ).
IMHO , it will be very nice to look at if the road ( AAV portion ) which is more or less , a kilometer length can be improved . Besides, it also traverses ATC and MBP so it's worth improving .

[kq90]

September 20th, 2011, 06:26 AM

To be honest, I think it will be a shame if developers choose to build residential buildings in MBP instead of offices.

About the road expansion, MBP has little power to expand Alabang Zapote as it is now since they would have to end up buying lots adjacent to zapote just to do so. Subdivisions need to make gates to alternate routes from Commerce or Zapote. Particularly, it would be smart if AAV opens a gate to FCC now while it's possible.

Planning Democracy

September 20th, 2011, 04:37 PM

True though the only thing I missed is Big Bang. Lets say the 90s Alabang I missed.

Alabang in the 80s was not that commercialized and ATC only had a few restaurants, shops, an ice cream parlour and twin cinemas.

Then Robinsons came but was later demolished with the expansion of ATC. Casa Susana is the only establishment standing from that era.

Back in those days, you have to travel to the city to shop. Now you don't.

Proud to say that all the scars on my knees come from my BMX biking days in Alabang. :lol: Now we have these biking enthusiasts with their expensive mountain bikes going on trails in FCC, wimps! Back in the day we explored our own trails, didn't have any water bottles, and biked in our pambahay clothes, miss pabili nga ng suka! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znoEEdE-Of8) :lol:

The original Commerce Avenue on the AAV portion , has it been improved already the way the FCC portion is ? ( asphalt overlayed , uniformed street lighting , well-landscaped , good quality sidewalks ).
IMHO , it will be very nice to look at if the road ( AAV portion ) which is more or less , a kilometer length can be improved . Besides, it also traverses ATC and MBP so it's worth improving .

There should be an integrated traffic management plan by Muntinlupa, Paranaque, and Las Pinas regarding the A-Z road. Personally I think the moonwalk market should be relocated, sometimes the traffic actually comes from there and not SM Southmall.

So widen the Muntinlupa part of the A-Z road, then build a Xiamen type BRT. :lol: It will traverse the whole A-Z road connecting to the Coastal Road and LRT-1 extension, have a spur line (at-grade) along Daang Hari, connect to the Skyway and to the PNR in Metropolis.

plseller

September 21st, 2011, 08:12 AM

^^

The New Alabang days of the 80s are long gone, we can only reminisce. :)

But do we have a say in Muntinlupa's development? Sometimes you feel that you can only watch...

Haha, you placed my era correctly. Typical gimik would be to watch a movie at twin cinemas and then eat at pancake house... Maybe drop by bookmark afterwards. Do you remember dayrits and the giant burgers they had?

I'm abroad now but I think those were the happiest times of my life.

plseller

September 21st, 2011, 08:25 AM

Back in those days, you have to travel to the city to shop. Now you don't.

didnt matter though coz it only took 30mins tops to drive to Makati even during rush hour. My dad used to drop us off at school in dlsz before going to work in makati. These days you can only do that if you have a helicopter.

Manila-X

September 21st, 2011, 08:37 AM

Manila-X

September 21st, 2011, 08:38 AM

didnt matter though coz it only took 30mins tops to drive to Makati even during rush hour. My dad used to drop us off at school in dlsz before going to work in makati. These days you can only do that if you have a helicopter.

With the skyway extension, traveling from Alabang to Makati is faster including rush hours.

LhexiMont

September 21st, 2011, 09:10 AM

I don't remember seeing a Dayrits in Alabang though I knew one in Makati near Cash N Carry. But that one is gone and they now operate two branches one in Magallanes and the other one in The Fort.

Dayrits has a branch in Alabang before ( in the 90s) , I remember , located in one of those Casa something commercial building ..........

LhexiMont

September 21st, 2011, 09:14 AM

With the skyway extension, traveling from Alabang to Makati is faster including rush hours.

Fully completed na ba and operational yung Northgate / Alabang Zapote Road underpass leading to Skyway .
How about the Spectrum Midway Avenue ( near Wilcon to South Station/Entrata segment ) road improvements , is it done too ?

Manila-X

September 21st, 2011, 09:23 AM

Fully completed na ba and operational yung Northgate / Alabang Zapote Road underpass leading to Skyway .
How about the Spectrum Midway Avenue ( near Wilcon to South Station/Entrata segment ) road improvements , is it done too ?

Yes operational na yung sa Skyway entrance sa Northgate pero may construction pa sa may bandang Wilcon.

You mean Casa Susanna. I don't remember seeing Dayrits there though there used to be Dulcinea.

Planning Democracy

September 21st, 2011, 12:10 PM

Haha, you placed my era correctly. Typical gimik would be to watch a movie at twin cinemas and then eat at pancake house... Maybe drop by bookmark afterwards. Do you remember dayrits and the giant burgers they had?

I'm abroad now but I think those were the happiest times of my life.

I don't remember seeing a Dayrits in Alabang though I knew one in Makati near Cash N Carry. But that one is gone and they now operate two branches one in Magallanes and the other one in The Fort.

Haha, Dayrit's! Best roast beef in town, that was still there during the 90s, there's a Korean restaurant there now. Kinda sad it's no longer there, sometimes I still crave for their roast beef.

Hehe, Bookmark, the one in the basement, I used to get my "Mr. Men" books there, wow I can still remember the smell of that bookstore.

didnt matter though coz it only took 30mins tops to drive to Makati even during rush hour. My dad used to drop us off at school in dlsz before going to work in makati. These days you can only do that if you have a helicopter.

Well, these days, it can take you 20 mins if you take the Skyway going to Makati, you'll be disappointed if you visit these days though, there's a lot of traffic along Commerce Ave. I even remember watching Soap Box races on TV and thinking that place looked familiar, sa Commerce Ave pala hehe.

Now I'm hungry... san pa ba may bukas na Dayrit's? :lol:

plseller

September 21st, 2011, 04:33 PM

plseller

September 21st, 2011, 04:42 PM

Now I'm hungry... san pa ba may bukas na Dayrit's? :lol:

wasnt there another one in... Vito cruz was it? On the was to dlsu?

Dont forget the sizzling spaghetti and their ginormous halohalo.

If the family that owns that are still around, they should relaunch... It's a classic brand.

[kq90]

September 21st, 2011, 05:57 PM

Looks like Madrigal has a lot of plans for Molito: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247422588628669&set=pu.216282728409322&type=1

I honestly hope that the high rises don't push through. I especially am concerned about the hotel they intend to build on the corner of Madrigal and Commerce. That'd be a traffic magnet right in front of AAV's main gates.

LhexiMont

September 21st, 2011, 06:46 PM

plseller

September 21st, 2011, 08:42 PM

;84002311']Looks like Madrigal has a lot of plans for Molito: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=247422588628669&set=pu.216282728409322&type=1

I honestly hope that the high rises don't push through. I especially am concerned about the hotel they intend to build on the corner of Madrigal and Commerce. That'd be a traffic magnet right in front of AAV's main gates.

I wish they'd change the name. 'Molito lifestyle' center doesn't really sound classy. Why not just call it Madrigal lifestyle center?

Do these developers or the city even do a traffic study before pushing thru with these? You've got literally millions of residents along the entire Alabang Zapote stretch and they want to add more high density residential units? They must be insane.

They need to build a skyway or some sort of mass transit system along AZ before approving any more developments/expansion. And this should be paid for by the developers who will benefit with the premiums commanded by their properties.

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 04:29 AM

I hope it pushes through... those are very good projects and in the first place it was developed to be built with buildings... at least its not residential village that later on was converted into a business district.

So were the places beside EDSA. Now look how horrible the traffic is there.

There's nothing wrong with development for as long as it's not short-sighted. Building a hotel and 3 condos in the Madrigal property would definitely make the traffic much heavier than the current heavy traffic we already experience in Commerce, Madrigal, and Alabang Zapote today. In peak hours, it can take more than 20 minutes already just to go from one end of Commerce to the other. Imagine how much more traffic congested the place will be if the 3 condos push through, along with the hotel, and Ayala's other plans for ATC. It's not a bright picture, especially if you have no choice but to use Commerce or Alabang Zapote just to go home.

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 04:40 AM

I wish they'd change the name. 'Molito lifestyle' center doesn't really sound classy. Why not just call it Madrigal lifestyle center?

Perhaps they don't want the name to be confused with the current Madrigal center beside St. Jerome Church. In any case, I think "Molito" is okay as a name. It may not sound "classy" to you now, but if they attract good locators, they'll definitely be able to build on it and make the name/brand "classy."

LhexiMont

September 22nd, 2011, 06:05 AM

;84018107']So were the places beside EDSA. Now look how horrible the traffic is there.

There's nothing wrong with development for as long as it's not short-sighted. Building a hotel and 3 condos in the Madrigal property would definitely make the traffic much heavier than the current heavy traffic we already experience in Commerce, Madrigal, and Alabang Zapote today. In peak hours, it can take more than 20 minutes already just to go from one end of Commerce to the other. Imagine how much more traffic congested the place will be if the 3 condos push through, along with the hotel, and Ayala's other plans for ATC. It's not a bright picture, especially if you have no choice but to use Commerce or Alabang Zapote just to go home.

Well, it will take a miracle for the length of AZ road to be expanded since it will involve a lot of right of way cases ( mostly in Las Pinas area as Muntinlupa segment has rooms for expansion ) .

Perhaps,the developers also do studies themselves how their projects will affect the traffic flow. And in years to come , once the Daang Hari/SLEX connecting road is done and operational , the volume of vehicles using the Commerce Avenue will decrease.

For so many years that vacant lot was idle and its good that Madrigals are utilizing it for worthy developments and they even incorporate a pocket park on the future lifestyle center.

Manila-X

September 22nd, 2011, 06:47 AM

I hope it pushes through... those are very good projects and in the first place it was developed to be built with buildings... at least its not residential village that later on was converted into a business district.

It is also if Ayala Alabang residents will allow these high-rises to be built or will oppose it.

Several high-rises around Metro Manila have been opposed including those constructed within Katipunan and The AMA Tower near Wack Wack.

Manila-X

September 22nd, 2011, 06:50 AM

Haha, Dayrit's! Best roast beef in town, that was still there during the 90s, there's a Korean restaurant there now. Kinda sad it's no longer there, sometimes I still crave for their roast beef.

Hehe, Bookmark, the one in the basement, I used to get my "Mr. Men" books there, wow I can still remember the smell of that bookstore.

Well, these days, it can take you 20 mins if you take the Skyway going to Makati, you'll be disappointed if you visit these days though, there's a lot of traffic along Commerce Ave. I even remember watching Soap Box races on TV and thinking that place looked familiar, sa Commerce Ave pala hehe.

Now I'm hungry... san pa ba may bukas na Dayrit's? :lol:

Like I said before, there are 2 Dayrits that are currently open, one in Fort Bonifacio and the other in Magallanes.

The traffic in Commerce Ave is moderate if you don't have an AAVA sticker. If you do, you can take shortcuts.

Manila-X

September 22nd, 2011, 06:56 AM

Other places I miss

Okasan - first jap resto in the area
Black box - who needs to go to makati? We had a little bar of our own
White house video - for all your betamax rental needs. Plus they had a 'secret' location inside aav where you could rent xxx videos... Strictly, 2nd hand knowledge mind you :)
Kookie monster - yummy chocolate cake! Plus had a coney island station inside
There was also a drug store.. Metrofil was it?
The wierdest looking robinsons i ever did see
Much later there was bun on the run with their choriqueso pizza
Then all the restos and bars near dads. Fat tuesday in particular and wasnt there a tia maria as well?
The old San mig, where i drank many a mug of beer
Mcdo in the parking lot.. Hope it's still there
If any has pictures of that era pls post.

Some of the said establishments are still here. Mc Donalds is still there in that parking lot. The restaurant recently renovated and now has a Mc Cafe.

Both Fat Tuesday and Tia Maria are gone. Tia Maria moved to Festival Mall but closed down. Kookie Monster and Coney Island are also both gone.

Forget Metrofil, there is a Mercury Drug in ATC.

Bun on The Run is also gone but they have one in Trinoma. They also had one in BF Homes which opened last year and it is now closed.

Robinsons is definitely gone and in it is the extension of ATC.

As for Blackbox, I never saw that video rental shop. Though I remember Fiesta Video back in ATC and I was even a member. There was also ACA video as well.

LhexiMont

September 22nd, 2011, 07:10 AM

It is also if Ayala Alabang residents will allow these high-rises to be built or will oppose it.

Several high-rises around Metro Manila have been opposed including those constructed within Katipunan and The AMA Tower near Wack Wack.

It's in a proper location between ATC and MBP vicinity.. maybe or maybe not they will oppose .

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 10:27 AM

It's in a proper location between ATC and MBP vicinity.. maybe or maybe not they will oppose .

Trust me when I say most will :P haha. I'm already comparatively liberal when it comes to Alabang's development and I'm against this, what more the others who don't even like the idea of ATC expanding? Some developments have already been opposed before, so I don't see how this one that stands right in front of AAV's main gates won't be opposed.

As for AAV stickers, I am sure that AAVA will be more strict with them as the need arises. Residents don't want cars entering the village just to use it as a shortcut.

Planning Democracy

September 22nd, 2011, 10:35 AM

Other places I miss

Okasan - first jap resto in the area
Black box - who needs to go to makati? We had a little bar of our own
White house video - for all your betamax rental needs. Plus they had a 'secret' location inside aav where you could rent xxx videos... Strictly, 2nd hand knowledge mind you :)
Kookie monster - yummy chocolate cake! Plus had a coney island station inside
There was also a drug store.. Metrofil was it?
The wierdest looking robinsons i ever did see
Much later there was bun on the run with their choriqueso pizza
Then all the restos and bars near dads. Fat tuesday in particular and wasnt there a tia maria as well?
The old San mig, where i drank many a mug of beer
Mcdo in the parking lot.. Hope it's still there
If any has pictures of that era pls post.

OMG, Whitehouse! :lol: Classic! I think we still have some of the Betamax tapes we didn't return! :lol: I still remember that guy on his "hopper" who delivers the tapes, he kinda looks like Roderick Paulate. Actually you can also borrow tapes from the old Caltex where Isuzu is now.

And yes, the weird Robinson's building! :lol: Where you didn't know if you were on the ground floor or on the second floor. But looking back now, it may have been designed by a progressive architect, it had a "Bali" wood design, but back then everybody hated it.

Eto pa, if you were a kid and you wanted softdrinks, chippy or ice cream, you had to go to "NAVA" where there's a coop. It's still there actually but it's no longer in front of the building.

Trivia: Remember that "barong barong" in the corner of Madrigal Ave and Alabang-Zapote? That guy wasn't a squatter! They're caretakers of the Madrigals, I interviewed him back in '05 and all the while, I thought they were squatters that even Ramos couldn't get rid off.

taipan101

September 22nd, 2011, 10:59 AM

Hmmm Fat tuesdays where I used to hang out every weekends reminiscin. Miss the ol days.

Manila-X

September 22nd, 2011, 11:00 AM

Manila-X

September 22nd, 2011, 11:02 AM

Hmmm Fat tuesdays where I used to hang out every weekends reminiscin. Miss the ol days.

Been there several times and even loved their burgers. That area where it is now is pretty quiet. There was also Racks there but is now Tru Value. The first Kenny Rogers Roasters and Mexicali were also in that area.

Planning Democracy

September 22nd, 2011, 11:19 AM

LhexiMont

September 22nd, 2011, 12:09 PM

Racks and Kenny Rogers has outlets in Festival Mall.
The old Robinson is just a department store ...the building housing the National Bookstore and BPI is it still there ?
The Burger King it used to have a big space when it opened but it shrinked.
I also remember the Food Island foodcourt ..

Those were the days when I'm asking why Muntinlupa has only one mall ( ATC ) battling it out with the likes of Las Pinas' Manuela 1&2, Ever Gotesco, RFC , Uniwide and SouthMall , then came Metropolis , Festival , Lianas , South Station , SM -Tunasan and of recent Molito Complex and soon Entrata . So far all of these malls in the city are surviving except for SS which still lack tenants .

I hope the city government will utilized the more organized transport terminal of South Station and turn the Alabang city terminal into an urban park as propose/promised and get rid of the slums behind the OsMun. That area was supposed to be the government center of the city .

Lastly , the Alabang Public Market should be modernized (if possible totally demolished the structure since its more than 20 years already) South Station can temporarily house the public market while the structure is being rebuilt ( I hope SM will be in for a possible joint venture in upgrading the public market ) . It should be upgraded to adapt to the new generations of public markets where its spacious , well-ventilated , brightly lit ,

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 01:03 PM

I first thought that house on the corner of Madrigal and Alabang-Zapote is the guy's lot of whoever lives there. Then the lot was later bought to make way for Puregold.

Haha. Yeah, I always thought the place belonged to the guy who lived in the kubo. To be clear though, the lot wasn't bought for Puregold to be built, it was always part of the Madrigal's property along with the whole Ayala-Madgrigal joint development.

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 01:07 PM

No more Racks in ATC? So sa Festival na lang meron?

Yeah I remember that Kenny Rogers, wala na rin ata yung Saisaki. I wonder why they all left, there was probably not much foot traffic in that area.

Racks and Kenny Rogers are both in Festival Mall. Saisaki, Kamayan, and Dad's died along with most other branches in the Metro. They say the business went through a lot of problems because of conflicts between the family members that owned it. Hence, they eventually closed down a number of branches including the one in ATC.

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 01:10 PM

Racks and Kenny Rogers has outlets in Festival Mall.
The old Robinson is just a department store ...the building housing the National Bookstore and BPI is it still there ?

The building was bought and demolished by Ayala to make way for Gaisano and Alabang Town center's expansion.

Manila-X

September 22nd, 2011, 01:29 PM

[kq90]

September 22nd, 2011, 05:54 PM

The Kenny Rogers in ATC was their first branch when it opened in ATC back in the mid 90s.

Though both RACKS and Kenny still have their branches in Festival Mall. One thing, RACKS drastically improved under their new management.

Burger King in ATC have a smaller space but the branch still has a fair number of customers.

Wow. I never knew that their Kenny Rogers there was the first one.

I really miss are Carl's Jr. and Flamers, which I believe both opened early 2000s to mid-2000s. Sure, they may not be as old as the restos you mentioned :lol:, but I think they were the best (affordable) burgers in town. Both are out of business in the Philippines, I think.

Manila-X

September 23rd, 2011, 04:05 AM

;84034643']Wow. I never knew that their Kenny Rogers there was the first one.

I really miss are Carl's Jr. and Flamers, which I believe both opened early 2000s to mid-2000s. Sure, they may not be as old as the restos you mentioned :lol:, but I think they were the best (affordable) burgers in town. Both are out of business in the Philippines, I think.

I definitely missed Carl's Jr. but not Flamers. The time when Flamers opened was with serious competition with newcomers Brothers and Hotshots. Though they did have some good burgers.

Flamers restaurants more looked like cafeterias. On the other hand, both Hotshots and Brothers had well designed eateries.

BTW, in BF Homes, there is a small restaurant with a a yellow sign that say Charbroiled Burgers. There is two of them in Aguirre Ave. There used to be one in Muntinlupa near the Suzy Wong Bar but I think it closed down.

LhexiMont

September 23rd, 2011, 05:30 AM

;84026767']The building was bought and demolished by Ayala to make way for Gaisano and Alabang Town center's expansion.
So that building housing the National Bookstore is gone... so the new wing of ATC ( Gaisano ) will be fronting the main road ..good.

[kq90]

September 23rd, 2011, 01:33 PM

I definitely missed Carl's Jr. but not Flamers. The time when Flamers opened was with serious competition with newcomers Brothers and Hotshots. Though they did have some good burgers.

Flamers restaurants more looked like cafeterias. On the other hand, both Hotshots and Brothers had well designed eateries.

BTW, in BF Homes, there is a small restaurant with a a yellow sign that say Charbroiled Burgers. There is two of them in Aguirre Ave. There used to be one in Muntinlupa near the Suzy Wong Bar but I think it closed down.

Charbroiled is good. They used to have one near Madrigal Business park. I hope they get a stall in Soderno, haha.

LhexiMont

September 23rd, 2011, 02:38 PM

Yung old Nestle plant in Alabang , anong balita ? the area is quite big at almost 7-hectares

LhexiMont

September 23rd, 2011, 06:02 PM

Ide demolished ba yung Grills & Greens ng Festival Supermall , once the major expansion commence. It seems semi-permanent structures lang yung mga bar/resto at plants stores dun.

plseller

September 23rd, 2011, 09:14 PM

OMG, Whitehouse! :lol: Classic! I think we still have some of the Betamax tapes we didn't return! :lol: I still remember that guy on his "hopper" who delivers the tapes, he kinda looks like Roderick Paulate. Actually you can also borrow tapes from the old Caltex where Isuzu is now.

And yes, the weird Robinson's building! :lol: Where you didn't know if you were on the ground floor or on the second floor. But looking back now, it may have been designed by a progressive architect, it had a "Bali" wood design, but back then everybody hated it.

Eto pa, if you were a kid and you wanted softdrinks, chippy or ice cream, you had to go to "NAVA" where there's a coop. It's still there actually but it's no longer in front of the building.

Trivia: Remember that "barong barong" in the corner of Madrigal Ave and Alabang-Zapote? That guy wasn't a squatter! They're caretakers of the Madrigals, I interviewed him back in '05 and all the while, I thought they were squatters that even Ramos couldn't get rid off.

The proper spelling I now remember was White Haus. The secret location in the village was along Acacia avenue in one of those lookalike white houses with red roofs. I confess now that I rented a few xxx videos (or more than a few). I still remember the old lady who manned the shop - I pretended to be in college that time so I could rent the vids. She probably didn't care.

NAVA before they put all the baranggay offices there and it had the empty space in the middle. AAV was so small then that we had masses there... I still remember the old Italian pastor Fr. Tarditi with his long rambling sermons and the funny accent we'd try to follow. 'condemnaaaation.... ejaculaaaation'

I thought that barong barong belonged to their driver? Wasn't there some sort of beer garden there?

plseller

September 23rd, 2011, 09:18 PM

As for Blackbox, I never saw that video rental shop. Though I remember Fiesta Video back in ATC and I was even a member. There was also ACA video as well.

Blackbox was a small bar attached to Okasan (I think they shared the kitchen). Inside it was small like a box and, well, black. It was pretty novel to be in a bar at that time since there was no nightlife in the area. Well unless you went down A-Z to the seedier bars.

plseller

September 23rd, 2011, 09:24 PM

;84034643']Wow. I never knew that their Kenny Rogers there was the first one.

Yep, on opening day they even imported a few waitresses from the US branches... that caused a stir with us boys since there weren't many caucasians in the phils back then.

alabang plus

September 24th, 2011, 04:05 AM

i'm new to this thread, i find it very informative, i am based in US, please any updates in the new mercedes benz showroom along alabang zapote road, in front of west parc condominiums and the new studio city filinvest project in west parc drive, new updates and possibly pictures will be highly appreciated. i miss alabang can't wait to go home. thanks in advance.

Manila-X

September 24th, 2011, 05:21 AM

Yep, on opening day they even imported a few waitresses from the US branches... that caused a stir with us boys since there weren't many caucasians in the phils back then.

Come to think of it, there were more caucasians in this country back then compared to now.

Planning Democracy

September 24th, 2011, 03:01 PM

The proper spelling I now remember was White Haus. The secret location in the village was along Acacia avenue in one of those lookalike white houses with red roofs. I confess now that I rented a few xxx videos (or more than a few). I still remember the old lady who manned the shop - I pretended to be in college that time so I could rent the vids. She probably didn't care.

NAVA before they put all the baranggay offices there and it had the empty space in the middle. AAV was so small then that we had masses there... I still remember the old Italian pastor Fr. Tarditi with his long rambling sermons and the funny accent we'd try to follow. 'condemnaaaation.... ejaculaaaation'

I thought that barong barong belonged to their driver? Wasn't there some sort of beer garden there?

Oh yeah, White Haus, I still remember that mimeographed catalogue with the red "WHITE HAUS" stamp. :lol: Well, unfortunately, I was an innocent kid then, and all I wanted to watch were the "scariest" horror movies like Evil Dead. Too bad they tore down all those lookalike houses already, I wonder where all those White Haus people are now, but I think they opened a formal branch before in Casa Susana.

Well, I only remember Fr. Cesar from St. Jerome, I think he's still there though.

Yep, on opening day they even imported a few waitresses from the US branches... that caused a stir with us boys since there weren't many caucasians in the phils back then.

Wow so that was the first one, I remember the first time I ate there I thought it was the ultimate chicken recipe.

Anyway, South Supermarket has moved on as well, they already have their own building in FCC, so the the buildings still left standing are Casa Susana, McDonald's, and the the original Cinema 1 and 2.:lol: