WARNING:
This poll was the worst in terms of cheating in a long time! The Rules (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=186064) are here for everyone to see, there should be no excuse for this! I was on the brink on disqualifying some of the entries, and next time I won't be so patient.

This "checking" for cheaters takes a lot of time, and I'm not supposed to be doing it in the first place, if everyone followed the rules!

If this BLATANT cheating continues, I will not hesitate to disqualify entries, disallow problematic people from voting on these polls, etc.

Problematic people, who refuse to follow rules will be reported to the moderators. Refusing to follow the rules is trolling, and it disrupts this forum. This is unacceptable behaviour, and is against the forum rules, and for this you can be brigged.

These are the ADJUSTED results:

http://img76.exs.cx/img76/8379/churchesresults9uq.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/870/churches1aa1hq.jpg
http://img76.exs.cx/img76/7189/churches1a4wm.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/3373/churches1bb5lu.jpg
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/7100/churches1b7bo.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/2075/churches1cc5wn.jpg
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/4493/churches1c4jq.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/9489/churches24jo.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/3633/churches37lj.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/457/churches43ee.gif
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/3110/churches55wl.gif

I would like to see who cheated ? And How you solve problem with bad votes ...

Three of mine selected churches are here. Good.

I would like to see who cheated ? And How you solve problem with bad votes ...
This time, we didn't collect the names of the people. Next time we will, and if they keep repeating it, they will be disallowed from voting.

The bad votes were automatically deleted, anyone who didn't vote for 5, their votes were deleted.

I can tell you that I saw a problem with Polish and Serbian voters. These were the most obvious. Mariaki church needed 9 votes to be deleted. Many people voted only for the 2 Polish churches, and I think it's quite obvious why. Wawel, and St. Sava had 6 churches votes to be deleted.

We have found a faster way to deal with cheaters, and it will be implemented in the next poll.

If you want to see which people cheated, you should go and check it out yourself ... it's easily found in the Archive. Next time we will have the names.

Hope this helped.

I admit I voted only for one church but I didn't mean cheating. I just didn't know I had to give five votes. I hope I won't be punished, will I ? :D

We have found a faster way to deal with cheaters, and it will be implemented in the next poll.
and that would be?

and that would be?
I just found an easier, and much faster way to find out who cheated, and then we'll just have to delete the votes.

I admit I voted only for one church but I didn't mean cheating. I just didn't know I had to give five votes. I hope I won't be punished, will I ? :D
Well, as I've said many times, everyone should read the Rules (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=186064), but I guess people ignored me. In the poll, and in the thread itself it clearly says that you have to vote for five.

If as you say, it was an honest mistake, feel free to contact the mods, and if they have time they will update your vote, just tell them what you want. If you don't say anything, we'll just have to delete your vote.

I understand people make mistakes, and maybe they missed the rules, so for this one time, I'm not too strict about it, but if this continues there will be some measures taken.

I updated the WARNING, after I saw that this is continuing to happen in the new poll!

I might of have voted not according to the rules before. I was new and didn't notice the rules. I was just thinking that it's like a referendum were you only have one vote. I think people only should have one vote... or will that cause too much problems?

I might of have voted not according to the rules before. I was new and didn't notice the rules. I was just thinking that it's like a referendum were you only have one vote. I think people only should have one vote... or will that cause too much problems?
Don't worry about it. I realize honest mistakes happen, and if they do, just inform the mods, and they'll fix it! :)

About the one vote, I'm afraid it won't work very well. But I'm not sure, what is your theory behind it?

Don't worry about it. I realize honest mistakes happen, and if they do, just inform the mods, and they'll fix it! :)

About the one vote, I'm afraid it won't work very well. But I'm not sure, what is your theory behind it?

Well, in general in society people have ONE vote in referendums for instance. ONE person, ONE voice, ONE vote. Not five. What is the reason for having five on this board? Why not reflect the rules that are common in all democratic societies? Wouldn't it also be easier for you guys who are in charge? Just a thought ;) :)

hehe, niezły burak, jakieś własne wyniki sobie zrobił i zadowolny, oczywiście dowodów żadnych nie przedstawił.
Pomijam już fakt, że z jakiej racji znalazł się z głosowaniu turecki kościół.
Ciekawe czy w następnej swojej bufonadzie zaprosi kandydatów z Afryki i Australii?

This time, we didn't collect the names of the people. Next time we will, and if they keep repeating it, they will be disallowed from voting.

The bad votes were automatically deleted, anyone who didn't vote for 5, their votes were deleted.

I can tell you that I saw a problem with Polish and Serbian voters. These were the most obvious. Mariaki church needed 9 votes to be deleted. Many people voted only for the 2 Polish churches, and I think it's quite obvious why. Wawel, and St. Sava had 6 churches votes to be deleted.

We have found a faster way to deal with cheaters, and it will be implemented in the next poll.

If you want to see which people cheated, you should go and check it out yourself ... it's easily found in the Archive. Next time we will have the names.

Hope this helped.
You know sometimes you tend to blow things way the hell out of proportion. I did a little investigation of this poll results and found out that there were what appear to be three Polish forumers who voted <5 times in fact 2 voted for only one church, a Polish one, but that does not mean that they were doing it out of favoritism. If they were, they would more than likely select 2 of the polish church nominations and not just one. Three pollsters voted only for Serbia & Montenegro and three pollsters voted only for Bosnia-Herzegovina. You should not be saying things like "its quite obvious" that polish people voted for polish churches. You voted for a Ukrainian church. Does that make you a cheater or an ethically biased voter? No, at least I hope not. Sometimes you come off blaming people like Polish forumers when in fact you are biased in your own opinions. Don't get me wrong you are doing a fan job, but somethings you say are perceived as biased especially against Polish voters, are you jealous or just spiteful?

hehe, niezły burak, jakieś własne wyniki sobie zrobił i zadowolny, oczywiście dowodów żadnych nie przedstawił.
Pomijam już fakt, że z jakiej racji znalazł się z głosowaniu turecki kościół.
Ciekawe czy w następnej swojej bufonadzie zaprosi kandydatów z Afryki i Australii?
There was no need to write in Polish, I can understand it as well.

I don't want to start another debate about whether Turkey is in the EE or not, but most people don't see to have a problem with it.

BTW there were also several Russians who voted for their country only and most Ukrainians who though selected 5 pics, one of them included the Ukrainian church. So, your comments about Polish favoratism are way out of line. You seem to have a hint of paranoia and/or communist propaganda in you.

You know sometimes you tend to blow things way the hell out of proportion. I did a little investigation of this poll results and found out that there were what appear to be three Polish forumers who voted <5 times in fact 2 voted for only one church, a Polish one, but that does not mean that they were doing it out of favoritism. If they were, they would more than likely select 2 of the polish church nominations and not just one. Three pollsters voted only for Serbia & Montenegro and three pollsters voted only for Bosnia-Herzegovina. You should not be saying things like "its quite obvious" that polish people voted for polish churches. You voted for a Ukrainian church. Does that make you a cheater or an ethically biased voter? No, at least I hope not. Sometimes you come off blaming people like Polish forumers when in fact you are biased in your own opinions. Don't get me wrong you are doing a fan job, but somethings you say are perceived as biased especially against Polish voters, are you jealous or just spiteful?

You should check again. I'm not blowing it out of proportion, because there's not supposed to be ANY cheating, period!

The fact that I noticed Polish (and Serbian, to a lesser degree) member voting for their own churches ONLY, is why I made that comment.

I did vote for a Ukrainian church, and if you read the rules, you would've seen that I never forbid people to vote for their own churches, but when I saw people vote for ONLY their own country, that's blatant cheating.

I have nothing towards Polish members, I consider most of them like friends and brothers. If I had something against them, I would've manipulated the results to make them appear lower, or disqualified them. Did you also notice, I took off any invalid votes for Ukraine as well? That tells you I'm pretty unbiased.

BTW there were also several Russians who voted for their country only and most Ukrainians who though selected 5 pics, one of them included the Ukrainian church. So, your comments about Polish favoratism are way out of line. You seem to have a hint of paranoia and/or communist propaganda in you.
And all of those I deleted, but compare 1-2 deleted votes for Ukraine, 3-4 for Russia, and 6-9 for Poland.

I deleted ALL of the invalid ones, how is that biased?

I think from now on you should just appoint the Best of Eastern Europe and let everyone comment on your choice instead of voting, Mariah. :D

It would better reflect our history, and what we're used to. :) All the EE forumers would slide naturally into submissiveness. :D

I think from now on you should just appoint the Best of Eastern Europe and let everyone comment on your choice instead of voting, Mariah. :D

It would better reflect our history, and what we're used to. :) All the EE forumers would slide naturally into submissiveness. :D
I don't appreciate your insinuation that I influence the poll results in any way.

It's not really funny, if you people don't appreciate this, we might as well not continue.

Your comments were biased. In your text you mentioned only Poles and Serbs who were cheating you failed to mention the Ukies and the Russians who also cheated. Stop blowing up the numbers of Poles who cheated, 6-9, why don't you tell the truth. Perhaps there were 10-20 Ukries who cheated. How does one really know. Its a behind the scenes scrutiny of votes, and you only focus on the less relevant ones or blow up numbers. I only counted 3 voters of Polish origin. Besides, say there were 6 Poles thats a lot less than 9. You made the range so big, it makes you sound less credible as a judge.

Oh no, IMariah! :D Oh wow, I really expressed it wrong or you really took it wrong. I didn't mean what you think I meant AT ALL...not even sarcastically, NOTHING the same.

I mean, all this people voting for one, and voting for two, and voting for all of them, and blah blah blah - forget the voting, and you appoint. :D If they make it so much work. The debate will still be the same but no one is happy even with the ones we elect ourselves. LOL As this threat is evidence.

So, I suggest you appoint a Best of Europe in all categories and then we can continue with threads like this one and avoid going through the democratic process altogether, since it brings us to the same ending anyways. Hehehe.

I really FAIL to see why it is so difficult to vote for 5 choices. Obviously, if people voted for only 1 or 2 choices, Poland (with the most # of forumers), for example, would be the de riguer #1 at all of these. We wouldn't even have to run them, period.

Your comments were biased. In your text you mentioned only Poles and Serbs who were cheating you failed to mention the Ukies and the Russians who also cheated. Stop blowing up the numbers of Poles who cheated, 6-9, why don't you tell the truth. Perhaps there were 10-20 Ukries who cheated. How does one really know. Its a behind the scenes scrutiny of votes, and you only focus on the less relevant ones or blow up numbers. I only counted 3 voters of Polish origin. Besides, say there were 6 Poles thats a lot less than 9. You made the range so big, it makes you sound less credible as a judge.
There were votes that needed to be deleted for 14 of the 15 candidates. You wanted me to mention all? I mentioned the frequently occuring ones!

For Mariaki, 9 votes had to be deleted.
For Krakow, For St. Sava, 6 votes had to be deleted.
For St. Basils, and Monasija, 4 had to be deleted.

The rest were under that. So, overall, Poland needed 15 votes to be deleted, Serbia had 10 to be deleted, Russia had 7 to be deleted.

I'm not picking on ANYONE, listen ... if NOBODY cheated, we wouldn't have this problem at all.

I really FAIL to see why it is so difficult to vote for 5 choices. Obviously, if people voted for only 1 or 2 choices, Poland (with the most # of forumers), for example, would be the de riguer #1 at all of these. We wouldn't even have to run them, period.
I don't understand that either, why can't people simply vote for 5?

I like the 5-vote too...I mean. I love Vijecnica, truly. I look at it and I think it's the most beautiful building...but I know it's not so nice as the others, a couple of them. So with only one vote I couldn't in good faith include Vijecnica which would be hard because I love it so much. Maybe there is a way we can Eurovision this. :D Where each country gets so many points, and then you can only vote for other than your own. :D Hehehe.

I also don't get why people can't read the rules and vote for 5. Sergei, is it a possibility where in the future the you make it you can't vote for your own country?

^ that will leave people such as myself greatly confused. I don't even know where to begin as to what is 'my' country ;)

I think that'd be good. You can "vote" as much as you want during the nominations. Fight it out, send your entries. Pick a "Polish", "Bosnian", "Serbian", etc...representative. Then send them out to join the fight. But you can't vote for your own in the vote, I think it would make sense. :) If we have "vote" on whether or not you can vote for your own in the vote...I vote that we don't get that vote. :) Just so you all know where my vote is. ;)

and by the way, it is easy to figure out who voted for what and which votes are done improperly... i do that for iMariah. And it is quick for me...

and for this one i can understand some of the 1 votes, because the ppl didnt look at the rules and just voted one... but the 2 votes are completely bull. And i know there were a few 2 votes.

iMariah will be posting the counts that i sent over to him soon. It just shows who did not vote properly, and if we need to we can look up who they voted for if you are going to keep whining about it.

Since all of you are so suspicious of me, here is a list of all the people who voted invalidly:

1 DOC,
1 YUGOBOY,
1 MICOFORION,
1 KOPARKATA,
1 KACA,
1 LUKA,
1 FALCONIV,
1 BUBACH_HLUBACH,
1 MAKSYM,
1 MR.WOLAND,
1 WHOLAGUN,
1 METROPOLIST,
1 EMIRHO,
1 DUCKZILLA,
1 ZBORO,
1 GRZANIECZGALICJI,
1 STARCHITECTE,
1 MAR_TM,
1 IMPERIAL,
1 PHOENIXSV,
1 EOSENDIL,
1 EDDY,
2 CAMOCYD,
2 YOKI,
2 COMPAQ,
2 ELYKHOVOY,
2 BOLSCHOI,
2 ELDORADO,
2 STEFAN,
2 JACEK,
3 MRAKU,
10 ELPELIGROSO,

On the left, is the number of votes they cast, on the right is their username.

and by the way, it is easy to figure out who voted for what and which votes are done improperly... i do that for iMariah. And it is quick for me...

and for this one i can understand some of the 1 votes, because the ppl didnt look at the rules and just voted one... but the 2 votes are completely bull. And i know there were a few 2 votes.

iMariah will be posting the counts that i sent over to him soon. It just shows who did not vote properly, and if we need to we can look up who they voted for if you are going to keep whining about it.
Thanks for your help, Nate.

I dont agree with the cant vote for your own... because some ppl are more than one ethnicity... and if it is you cant vote for where you are born, then i would be able to vote for all, since i was born and live in canada...

And I like the vote for 5, because sometimes there are some really good ones and you cant really decide which you like better... this way you can vote for the ones you like best.

True, Nate. :) You could always get into... "Bosnian Serbs can't vote for something in BiH AND Serbia but they can vote for one, Bosnian Croats same thing vs Croatia." Etc...but that gets more confusing that just the way it is now.

plus if there were more changes to rules it would get really bad... we are arguing about these rules (just vote for 5)... if we were to add other stipulations like not your own, etc... the havoc caused would far outway any benefit. i think it should just stay as is... with all they arguments ppl are bound to know the rules by now

Your comments were biased. In your text you mentioned only Poles and Serbs who were cheating you failed to mention the Ukies and the Russians who also cheated. Stop blowing up the numbers of Poles who cheated, 6-9, why don't you tell the truth. Perhaps there were 10-20 Ukries who cheated. How does one really know. Its a behind the scenes scrutiny of votes, and you only focus on the less relevant ones or blow up numbers. I only counted 3 voters of Polish origin. Besides, say there were 6 Poles thats a lot less than 9. You made the range so big, it makes you sound less credible as a judge.
For one, there aren't 10-20 Ukrainians. You'd be lucky to find 5.

Actually, I had to delete 1 vote for Lviv, and 2 for Kiev.

Second, I deleted all the votes that were invalid, including Ukrainians ones not just Polish ones. So, you have no argument.

guys, there are rules in this, and they clearly state that you must vote for 5 nominees.
if you do not believe iMariah, you can go to the poll thread and count the results, and well see that there is no bias at all.
actually there would have had been bias if the Hagia Sophia hadn't won :D

For one, there aren't 10-20 Ukrainians. You'd be lucky to find 5.

Actually, I had to delete 1 vote for Lviv, and 2 for Kiev.

Second, I deleted all the votes that were invalid, including Ukrainians ones not just Polish ones. So, you have no argument.

I am not questioning who's votes you deleted. I know any illegitimate vote

was deleted because it violated the rules of the poll. What I am saying is

that you were blunt on this subject picking on one group of forumers who

happen to be here for a VERY VERY VERY long time. I have the Polish

forumers in mind who though new to the EE forum, have been active in the

Polish forum when you were still in your dipers (ok Im exaggerating),

naturally. You seem to be blaming (by you I mean plural along with ahsm57)

that there are too many Polish forumers who skew the results. Well, excuse

me, but thats just life, deal with it. Why is it that Urkainians voters almost

always vote for Ukraine. Geezz I wonder, may be we should annul those

votes. NO! Here's the deal. People don't read rules, simple. You, on the other

hand preffer the explanation that somehow Poles only vote for their own.

Stange, because as I recall Serbs vote for their own, Ukeis vote for their

own, etc etc. You get my picture???

I am not questioning who's votes you deleted. I know any illegitimate vote

was deleted because it violated the rules of the poll. What I am saying is

that you were blunt on this subject picking on one group of forumers who

happen to be here for a VERY VERY VERY long time. I have the Polish

forumers in mind who though new to the EE forum, have been active in the

Polish forum when you were still in your dipers (ok Im exaggerating),

naturally. You seem to be blaming (by you I mean plural along with ahsm57)

that there are too many Polish forumers who skew the results. Well, excuse

me, but thats just life, deal with it. Why is it that Urkainians voters almost

always vote for Ukraine. Geezz I wonder, may be we should annul those

votes. NO! Here's the deal. People don't read rules, simple. You, on the other

hand preffer the explanation that somehow Poles only vote for their own.

Stange, because as I recall Serbs vote for their own, Ukeis vote for their

own, etc etc. You get my picture???
Look, if you don't get it, I will not explain it again. This is the last time:

It's not that people vote for their own. That's perfectly allowed, as long as you honestly think that they're the best. What I was saying, and I thought was clear to everyone, is that some Poles voted ONLY for the Polish nominees, and after a while it seemed systematic.

Also, I didn't single out Poles, I mentioned a few Serbs as well. I'm not picking on anyone, but anyone who saw the results will tell you that the Polish nominees had the most invalid votes. That's because many voted ONLY for Polish churches. If they voted for others as well, I have no problem with them.

Look, if you don't get it, I will not explain it again. This is the last time:

It's not that people vote for their own. That's perfectly allowed, as long as you honestly think that they're the best. What I was saying, and I thought was clear to everyone, is that some Poles voted ONLY for the Polish nominees, and after a while it seemed systematic.

Also, I didn't single out Poles, I mentioned a few Serbs as well. I'm not picking on anyone, but anyone who saw the results will tell you that the Polish nominees had the most invalid votes. That's because many voted ONLY for Polish churches. If they voted for others as well, I have no problem with them.

Man you just don't get it do you!

Must be that stubborn Canadian mentality.

You obviously did not read my comment.

The reason Polish voters voted for Poland and only Poland, is because they did not read your verbous directions and had they been Ukies they would have only voted for Ukraine, but since there is a slew of Ukrainian-Canadians on this forum reading english instructions they obvioulsy understand them (and some French I bet).

The Polish voters be it 6 or 9 of 100s on this forum, and all from the Polish forum who sometimes sneak a peak in the EE forum, were the only ones who did not follow the rules. Reason being, they did not understand the rules.

Generally speaking, from experience, polls in other forums outside EE are 1 answer only. For example if you visit City vs City forum you will see what I mean.

Your attempt to broaden the scope of voting is great, but most people simply do not know that that is the option and vote for only one nomination.

So, in response to your comments, though extremenly long I am attempting to make even longer, because you are obviously not listening.

If I repeat myself several times may be you will get it.

The reason is not pride which everyone has in their country, the reason is the lack of understanding of the english language or simply ignoring the instructions.

Like you said voting for your contry is good as long as you think its the best in comparison. This must be true of the votes you received except people did not follow the rules.

So, 6-9 out of 100s of polish forumers do not speak english or did not read your rules.

They voted for Poland because in their opinion it offered the best church in comparison to other presented nominees.

Now do you get it?

What he means, Voy, is this:

You get 5 votes. You have to use 5 votes. Some people were voting only for churches from their own country - which was 1 or 2 votes at best. So they were giving their churches a vote, but not spreading 3 or 4 more around to others. This gave their church an unfair advantage. It's like it started the competition with 1 vote ahead of everyone else.

This is what had to be corrected. Vote for a church were only counted if that person voted for 4 other ones as well.

But Voy, remember:

Some people cast two or three votes...JUST enough to cover the nominees from their country.

Mila I know the rules the problem is some forumers vote only once because most other polls provide only one option so they are used to this. Some voters obviously did not read the instructions. Some voters simply did not understand the instructions. Some voters thought their own country church looks good. To generalize Serbs voted for Serbia, Ukrainians voted for Ukraine and so on, but they could understand the rules and voted for 5 total. Of the 100s of Polish forumers only 6-9 apparaenly did not understand the rules, because may be they don't speak english and know that almost every other poll has only one option available.

What she means, Voy, is this:

You get 5 votes. You have to use 5 votes. Some people were voting only for churches from their own country - which was 1 or 2 votes at best. So they were giving their churches a vote, but not spreading 3 or 4 more around to others. This gave their church an unfair advantage. It's like it started the competition with 1 vote ahead of everyone else.

This is what had to be corrected. Vote for a church were only counted if that person voted for 4 other ones as well.
"HE", Mila. I'm a guy! :)

But Voy, remember:

Some people cast two or three votes...JUST enough to cover the nominees from their country.
I looked at the poll and this is not the case with Polish forumers. If they broke the rules it was because they voted for only 1 church, this is typical of not following the rules due to negligence not ignorance. There is a difference. You would be right if they voted for 2 and covered only their country thus being ignorant but they voted for 1 being negligent of the rules.

Mila I know the rules the problem is some forumers vote only once because most other polls provide only one option so they are used to this. Some voters obviously did not read the instructions. Some voters simply did not understand the instructions. Some voters thought their own country church looks good. To generalize Serbs voted for Serbia, Ukrainians voted for Ukraine and so on, but they could understand the rules and voted for 5 total. Of the 100s of Polish forumers only 6-9 apparaenly did not understand the rules, because may be they don't speak english and know that almost every other poll has only one option available.
Can someone translate the rules into Polish?

In any case, there are rules, and they must be followed. If they're not, it's not my fault. No offense, but how do they expect to come into a thread, and not read what it's about, not read the rules, and simply vote for Poland, or some other country? That's not fair.

Unless you have a solution for me, on how to fix this problem, I don't see why we're still having this discussion.

True...but still, some voted more than once when it was necessary to do, in order to make sure only their country got their votes. That's wrong, and the specific people who did that obviously know what they're doing, and have probably been doing it for a while. Those who do it accidently, by mistake, are less frustrating but they still should know and understand the rules - if you are truly voting fairly, it means you have to at least take the time to scan all the photos, all the nominations, so a few seconds of reading the rules at the top wouldn't hurt. The people who don't know the rules, I would say, are the ones who rush in to vote for their own country.

That said, of course it's not a Polish or Serbian problem. It's a forum problem. It just seems that way because there are so many of those people. But look at the list of guilty parties he posted. There is one Bosniak, and there are what - 4 of us on the forum? That's 25% of Bosniaks cheating. :D It's all relative to the numbers.

Mariah, change your name, this is twice now and you're causing me to embarrass myself. LOL

I looked at the poll and this is not the case with Polish forumers. If they broke the rules it was because they voted for only 1 church, this is typical of not following the rules due to negligence not ignorance. There is a difference. You would be right if they voted for 2 and covered only their country thus being ignorant but they voted for 1 being negligent of the rules.
Check again. You're wrong. All the violations are listed on page 2, do you want me to bold out the Polish members? Some did vote for 2, or 3 ... not just 1.

Mariah, change your name, this is twice now and you're causing me to embarrass myself. LOL
Most people already know me by this name, it would be a drag to change it. Unless, I change it to just "Sergei".

Hehehe. :) Sergei is a lovely name. But I was joking. :D I like the whole gender-bender thing you're doing in my mind. Kind of kinky for an EE Slav...LOL

You make a valid agrument. I concur with everything you said. In the scope of the number of forumers per country, statistics speaking the rate or percent of cheaters per EE country are similar. Granted, more Poles commited voting crimes, the problem is universal. I still think majority pick their country with love for it, perfectly natural, and they fail to select the rest to make 5, because of language barriers or ignorance to read the rules.

Okay, Voytek...you wanna take this outside? :D Because I can take you down. ;)

Check again. You're wrong. All the violations are listed on page 2, do you want me to bold out the Polish members? Some did vote for 2, or 3 ... not just 1.
A minority did. I don't need your stats. I think we both agree that we disagree, lets leave it at that.

Okay, Voytek...you wanna take this outside? :D Because I can take you down. ;)
Nice little wrestiling match sure lets go for it :)

Hahaha. :D

Hahaha. :D
Is that you in your avatar, Mila? :drool:

ooops
To be honest I didnt read the rules :D I am very sorry :D

:deadthrea

What surprises me is how did those that don't understand English even got to voting in the poll then? I'm probably guessing they went there through another thread. If that's the case, why not post the rules in the thread where you post the link, in the local language of course. Quite frankly, translating the rules to every language of EE would be simply stupid.

the real question is if they don't speak english, how did they manage to open an account here?
I mean to be in SSC you need to know at least some basic english, and if you do, I don't think it's that hard to understand you need to vote for 5 nominees. Especially since iMariah has always complained about these forumers from the very first poll (I know I was one of them :D)

What surprises me is how did those that don't understand English even got to voting in the poll then? I'm probably guessing they went there through another thread. If that's the case, why not post the rules in the thread where you post the link, in the local language of course. Quite frankly, translating the rules to every language of EE would be simply stupid.
I was just joking when I said "Can anyone translate the rules into Polish". :rofl:

I suggest putting PICK 5 or something in title. That way noone could say he didn`t see it and the ones that voted for one or two only would be obvioussly the ones with bed intentions.

I suggest putting PICK 5 or something in title. That way noone could say he didn`t see it and the ones that voted for one or two only would be obvioussly the ones with bed intentions.

No, I don't want to do this.

This is not the only rule, and if people want to participate in this contest, I'm sure they can spare 5 minutes to read all the rules one time!

Plus, the "Pick 5" is in the poll question, it's hard to miss.

I was just joking when I said "Can anyone translate the rules into Polish". :rofl:
That's a relief.. :D

Still, something has to be done if people don't understand not even a bit of English (which I doubt, but whatever)..

@iMariah even according to Your rules polish churches/town halls and etc. will be overrated because of the number of the polish members. The easy way to bypass the rules is to vote for 2 polish churches and other 3 which have the smallest number of votes.
There are only 2 possible solutions:
- to forbide us (Poles) voting ;)
- or to forbide generally voting for the objects from the voter's country

@iMariah even according to Your rules polish churches/town halls and etc. will be overrated because of the number of the polish members. The easy way to bypass the rules is to vote for 2 polish churches and other 3 which have the smallest number of votes.
There are only 2 possible solutions:
- to forbide us (Poles) voting ;)
- or to forbide generally voting for the objects from the voter's country
Or to limit the votes of members from countries that have the most members (like Poland ;) )..

That would work, but it would be un-democratic.. Like to give only 10 votes to randomly picked Poles (and other nations with a lot of members) that have confirmed will vote and only they have the right to vote..

Of course that would cause the biggest revolution in internet history, but it would work. ;)

Anyone not following the rules should be brigged. The rules are the rules and they're created to restore order in a particular manner.

Anyone not following the rules should be brigged. The rules are the rules and they're created to restore order in a particular manner.


You must be joking !!! Its just fun !!!!!! And iMariah isnt even a mod !!!!!

How is it fun? It's immature to cast invalid votes and having people delete them again. Have some respect for the people who take their time and effort into creating these series.

I’m very satisfied with the results

Anyone not following the rules should be brigged. The rules are the rules and they're created to restore order in a particular manner.

rules are there to be broken :bleh: ;)

I was just joking when I said "Can anyone translate the rules into Polish". :rofl:

1. thank God, i was about to start and send u PM with translation :booze:
2. I admire what you do for everyone and “Best of EE”. I don’t know how you handle all the frustration (page 1 on this thread in particular).

Roman_Bratny :bash:

New voting rules:
For each 15 (or so) nominees you flip a coin.
Heads = post
Tails = no post
:rofl: :jk:

Brigged? Now that's just way too harsh..

I say ONE forumer, ONE vote! Not voting for 5 different. That's not how it's done in referendums. Stick to the old ancient way. ONE man, ONE voice, ONE vote ;)

It's not an issue of me being a mod or not. I'm simply trying to keep this project working properly.

I'm sorry that you guys feel that I'm being too harsh, but if I wasn't, it would be a total mess.

I've already informed the mods, and they agree that people who continually abuse the rules are disturbing the forum, and that's considered trolling.

@iMariah even according to Your rules polish churches/town halls and etc. will be overrated because of the number of the polish members. The easy way to bypass the rules is to vote for 2 polish churches and other 3 which have the smallest number of votes.
There are only 2 possible solutions:
- to forbide us (Poles) voting ;)
- or to forbide generally voting for the objects from the voter's country
Actually, I never said that.
I didn't say that they will be overrated, because of the # of Poles here, it was another user.
I also have NO intention of forbiding Polish voting, but I will disallow certain people (no matter the nationality), if they keep abusing the rules. Jacek is already on that list - he voted incorecctly for all of the polls, and he told me that he will keep doing so, just to break my rules. BTW, Jacek doesn't give Poles a very good image!

I simply saw a problem with the Polish nominations this time, because 15 votes total had to be deleted from the Polish nominees. 10 had to be deleted from Serbia. That's a lot, and that's why I mentioned those two groups.

I have nothing against any of them, but I felt that I needed to say this, so people can stop doing it next time.

Change the rules so everyone can only vote once. And that will be the end of the problem!

Change the rules so everyone can only vote once. And that will be the end of the problem!
Thanks, I know it would make it a lot easier, and we wouldn't have these problems. But, most people including me want to keep the five options. Sorry.

Thanks, I know it would make it a lot easier, and we wouldn't have these problems. But, most people including me want to keep the five options. Sorry.
But it's stupid! Or, well perhaps a bit harsh to say "stupid" but I hope you know what I mean. The system is broke. FIX it please. ONE man, ONE vote! It's as yeasy as that. Try it out atleast for a coupe of polls and see how well it will work :)

^well AdamT you're system is broken too ;)
if it's one vote, many nominees won't get a single vote, this way we spread the votes to make it more equitable, since if there's one sure favorite, the battle for #2 or #3 won't be fair... Just as in this poll, for 1 vote, every one would have voted for the Hagia Sophia, and nothing will be left for the rest ;)

the one vote way wont work... because we know people will vote for their own. even if it may not be the best. ppl have pride in whats theirs and will see beauty in it that other ppl may not... and even though some of the polish buildings are clearly better, it still forces a few other votes instead of just the polish ones winning, like with the town halls. of course there are more polish forumers than english and good for them that they vote for their own, i know i usually vote for a ukrainian option, but if i have more than one vote i can also consider what else is beautiful. i think its best this way. and thats the way it will stay. its not even really up for discussion.

I see the point also in having 5 votes. But I also see the benefits of just having one. Anyway, I'd like to see what the turnout would be if people only had one vote. Perhaps it could be done for one poll.... ;) it won't be the end of the world if we try, right ;)

I see the point also in having 5 votes. But I also see the benefits of just having one. Anyway, I'd like to see what the turnout would be if people only had one vote. Perhaps it could be done for one poll.... ;) it won't be the end of the world if we try, right ;)

Yes, it would :badnews: :tongue2: what will happen is serbians will vote serbian, polish will vote polish, ukrainian will vote ukrainian, etc, etc, etc. sure a few ppl may vote for the actual best one, but i would bet that most ppl will vote along their country lines. and since not every country has the same amount of representatives on the forum, the results will be scewed. i thinks its best just to leave as is, and not try something new for one poll... we already know some ppl dont read the instructions so all of a sudden only being allowed one vote will screw ppl up because they will automatically vote 5.

Fluid gallery.