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ThirdCoast312
March 9th, 2005, 01:26 AM
Wooing tourists to Loop
STATE STREET group works with New York firm to attract more shoppers

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March 07, 2005
By Sandra Jones

An extreme proposal to liven up the Loop: upside-down el track landscaping. Courtesy of the Greater STATE STREET Council and sLab Architecture

Leave it to two guys from New York to come up with outlandish ways to dress up the Loop.

The Greater STATE STREET Council is working with New York-based urban design firm sLab Architecture LLC to "brand" the Loop in an effort to attract more shoppers and tourists.

The plan, unveiled at the trade group's annual meeting late last month, ranges from the outlandish — creating a recreational "Bucky Beach" by moving the lakefront closer to Buckingham Fountain — to the obvious tactics of installing signs to better direct Millennium Park tourists westward to the shopping along STATE STREET.

UPSIDE-DOWN TREES

While no one expects the city to build a beach across Lake Shore Drive, the firm's ideas are sparking conversations about taking a fresh look at sprucing up the Loop, says Ty Tabing, executive director of the Greater STATE STREET Council.

One notion Mr. Tabing says caught Mayor Richard M. Daley's attention, appealing to his penchant for foliage: a "hydroponic nutrient film" technique that allows for landscaping upside down under the elevated train tracks. Inverted greenery first appeared on the national landscape in 1999 in an exhibit at Mass MoCA, a contemporary arts museum in North Adams, Mass. Six live trees were suspended upside down, eight feet above the lawn, from a specially made stainless-steel structure.

SLab founders Jeffrey Johnson and Jeffrey Inaba want to do the same with the el.

"This became a project to create ideas that may seem extreme, but that form a basis of how to move forward," Mr. Johnson says. "Chicago has a history of bigness and boldness, and we wanted to come up with ideas (that reflect) that."

Among the more unrealistic ideas that drew incredulous chuckles at the annual meeting was a photo illustration showing the el tracks over Madison STREET turned into a roller coaster design to allow for a better view of the billowing curves of Frank Gehry's concert pavilion at Millennium Park. Mr. Tabing acknowledges the image as "pie in the sky" but says such thought-provoking ideas are necessary, as merchants approach the longstanding question of how to draw visitors from North Michigan Avenue and the lakefront to shops in the Loop.

EMBELLISHING EFFORTS

For now, Mr. Tabing says, the council is focusing on adding a few "bells and whistles" to the city's efforts, already under way, to improve Wabash Avenue. The design firm proposed installing rows of narrow lights under the el tracks, changing the color according to the season. The city modified the proposal and is looking into installing artistic lighting on the sides of el platforms.

The council is also looking into color-coded directional markers paired with a marketing campaign to create Loop tours focusing on culture, architecture, restaurants, theater and shopping. Itineraries would be available to make it easy for visitors to identify Loop spots great for a girls' night out, a first date or a weekend family outing. The STATE STREET council also is considering sLab's proposal to broadcast images, such as the Weather Channel or a sports game, on blank facades of buildings, if it can be done in a tasteful manner.

"A lot of the things they suggested probably were unrealistic," says Joshua H. Gartier, vice-president of Poster Plus on South Michigan Avenue. "But it's great that they're thinking like this. We'll have to see what actually comes to pass."

©2005 by Crain Communications Inc.

LA1
March 9th, 2005, 02:42 AM
Interesting ideas. I like the upside down trees beneath the el tracks the best, I am all for more greenery in the Loop. I love the el, but those trees would take away some of the starkness you find on those four streets.

I also like the idea of putting images on some those facades. Chicago is always thinking ahead, always progressive. Even with all the new proposals and developments from State St, MP, Block 37 etc, this city is looking to improve itself time and time again.

EastSider
March 9th, 2005, 04:19 AM
Interesting ideas, I'm liking them. I've always been disappointed in the fact that cities aren't creatively addressing ways to beautify large transportation structures, these are some exciting prospects.

Thanks for the post.

BVictor1
March 9th, 2005, 05:41 AM
I'd rather they get the bums of of Michigan Avenue and State Street. That will improve aesthetics instantaneously, and you don't even have to add water. Complete Block 37 and Pritzker Park. Fix what we got before something new is created.

lazar22b
March 9th, 2005, 06:44 AM
I think I just drank too much... I swear that article just said they want to put up-side-down trees on the L.

wickedestcity
March 9th, 2005, 06:48 AM
it should be cool to see what that will look like around christmas if they decorate them with a cool lighting system.

i_am_hydrogen
March 9th, 2005, 07:29 AM
^^That's a great idea, actually. These "trees" could be decorated with white xmas lights or something of that nature. Imagine how cool it would be to walk down Wabash, for example, with all these lights hanging beneath the el tracks.

LA1
March 9th, 2005, 03:06 PM
I'd rather they get the bums of of Michigan Avenue and State Street. That will improve aesthetics instantaneously, and you don't even have to add water. Complete Block 37 and Pritzker Park. Fix what we got before something new is created.

Imo, State Street or Michigan Ave has far fewer bums than NE eastern cities, LA or SF. Before I moved here, I expected to see more homeless. I get your point, 1 is too many, but I think Chicago is doing a better job than those places. Downtown DC in the winter will have dead homeless near the subway stations who have frozen to death the night before, clearly visble to commuters. I can't even remember how many I saw dead in my years of living there. It wasn't even a city problem, as suburban Arlington subway stations would have a few of those too.

KingShizzznit
March 9th, 2005, 06:49 PM
These are great ideas. But will they fall by the way side like the plan for the Nation's tallest tower (aka Trump) or will they follow through? If they follow through, Chicago will add to it's underrated, yet glorious rep around the globe.

24gotham
March 10th, 2005, 04:15 AM
hmmmm.... very interesting....... It's kinda dark under those tracks, not sure how anything would grow. I kinda like the starkness.... lets you know you are in a real city, not some namby pamby city where everything is shiny and new.
Jury's out, will need more info..........

wickedestcity
March 10th, 2005, 04:37 AM
what about it becoming a problem with animals and birds. i mean one second your driving along and second later you get a seriouse dose of bird shit on your windsheild lol.

24gotham
March 10th, 2005, 04:43 AM
^Good point, especially given that the largest pigeon problem is with the "L" tracks, especially at Madison and Wabash.

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Chi-town
March 10th, 2005, 06:36 PM
I think we should start poisoning pidgeons until they're extinct.

wickedestcity
March 10th, 2005, 08:51 PM
hahaa, you know what though , as much as a an anousance pigons are, they add a certain flavor to the city . a certain urban feel . idonno im talking out of my ass now if you dont mind

Chi-town
March 10th, 2005, 09:12 PM
No... I say we start soaking birdseed pellets in arsenic and scattering it about Daley Plaza. I'm dead serious.

digital_slash
March 11th, 2005, 01:01 AM
Haha, wow. That'd be a great sight for tourists. Dead pigeon carcasses lying around the Chicago Picasso. The pigeons never really bothered me that much. Like wicked said, it gives a kind of urban feel to the city, IMO.

2PRUROCKS!
March 11th, 2005, 02:03 AM
We just need some more Pergrine falcons in the city to nail those suckers! That would be a site to see...a little wild kingdom in the Loop. There was a pair of falcons that nested on the Sears Tower several years back but I haven't heard anything recently about falcons nesting in downtown Chicago.

As for the upsidedown tress I think it is a cool idea to add more greenery, act as a carbon sink, and liven up and beautify the El tracks.

24gotham
March 11th, 2005, 03:19 AM
^And while were at it, perhaps we could obliterate those pesky Canadian Geese that keep sh*tting their giant turds all over the lake front.

KingShizzznit
March 11th, 2005, 03:23 AM
How about we eliminate everybody that is a bird hater, how about that? :)

24gotham
March 11th, 2005, 03:26 AM
^ I don't hate birds, only the Canadian Geese and pigeons. The rest of the birds I like, they sing pretty songs, and sing pretty songs, and uh, well they sing pretty songs.

wickedestcity
March 11th, 2005, 03:34 AM
On state street ,that great street , i just want to say.
they do things , things they never do on broadway
they have the time, the time of there life.
i saw a man , a man,he danced with his wife, in chicago ..... chicago ...chicago .. thats my home town

Zuelas
March 12th, 2005, 05:18 PM
You can do alot w/some greenery and lights under those tracks. I've always thought they should do this. I don't know about trees fitting in necessarily but definitely some bushes, ferns or ivy could give it a very nice appeal. Great idea!
I personally like the pigeons but since they're talking about projecting images onto surfaces then why not force the pigeons elsewhere and do holographic birds? Hell, a bald eagle swooping overhead State St. would be a site- lol.

Chi-town
March 14th, 2005, 07:08 AM
Haha, wow. That'd be a great sight for tourists. Dead pigeon carcasses lying around the Chicago Picasso. The pigeons never really bothered me that much. Like wicked said, it gives a kind of urban feel to the city, IMO.
Only temporarily. Once we manage to exterminate the pidgeons, no more carcasses. And I'm sure Streets & Sanitation could get rid of the fuckers...

Chi-town
March 14th, 2005, 07:09 AM
How about we eliminate everybody that is a bird hater, how about that? :)
Pidgeons aren't birds, they're rats with wings.

aion26
March 14th, 2005, 02:59 PM
Pidgeons aren't birds, they're rats with wings.

Truer words have never been more spoken.

simadon
March 14th, 2005, 07:08 PM
reading this article and comments from forumers, I had to ask the question.

Would u rather the El be a subway?

I know that the "el" gives Chicago its character, etc etc., but really would u prefer all this iron, rust and noise underground and out of site?

digital_slash
March 15th, 2005, 12:58 AM
I know that the "el" gives Chicago its character, etc etc., but really would u prefer all this iron, rust and noise underground and out of site?


NO WAY! I love the L; noiseness, ironess, rustiness and all. I'd be pissed if they put it underground.

The whole upside-down tree idea is, well, dumb IMO. People might say it's "bold" but it will also be very out of place. It's too Alice in Wonderland-ish for the roughness beaneath the L tracks. If they want to put greenery under the L, I'd want ivy. Bring Wirgley Field to the loop. That'd be cool. It wont get as much attention as the tree thing, but I'd rather not have the attention then have big akward green things hanging from the L tracks. Gross.

Frumie
March 15th, 2005, 01:15 AM
NO WAY! I love the L; noiseness, ironess, rustiness and all. I'd be pissed if they put it underground.

The whole upside-down tree idea is, well, dumb IMO. People might say it's "bold" but it will also be very out of place. It's too Alice in Wonderland-ish for the roughness beaneath the L tracks. If they want to put greenery under the L, I'd want ivy. Bring Wirgley Field to the loop. That'd be cool. It wont get as much attention as the tree thing, but I'd rather not have the attention then have big akward green things hanging from the L tracks. Gross.

While noiseness, ironess, rustiness and all are not my aesthetic for the Loop at any rate, I have to agree that the upside-down tree idea does smack of Alice in Wonderland for the roughness beneath the L tracks. I could easily accept putting it all underground, but if wishes were horses, I'd prefer they readapted the system to a monorail; then we could have a quieter and visually more interesting spectacle.

24gotham
March 15th, 2005, 02:32 AM
The "L" (especially in the Loop) is one of the defining characteristics of Chicago. No other city has a more than century old elevated train running in a "loop" through it's downtown. Chicago wouldn't be Chicago without it. There is no experience quite like riding around the Loop looking down on the streets below, something I make sure I do with all of my visiting guests. I think the "L" tracks in the Loop should be landmarked and put on the National Historic Register to ensure that it is preserved for future generations. It stands as a symbol of this cities hard scrabble commerce focused history.


I live a block away from the "L", and while I can hear it in the background when my windows are open, it has never been a bother, if fact, it brings a sense of comfort knowing that I am in a truly unique place.