:) On the contrary , Toronto is one of my favorite City.

no i dont hate Toronto......cause im not an immature fuck nut like anybody here who does. Like seriously get a life, i love Toronto as much as i do vancouver and calgary and motreal and edmonton and ottawa and quebec and evey other canadian city, and if there are any canadians in here that are actually even slightly inteligent and dont hate a whole amazing city for a few stupid dumbass reasons say "I" and i and many others will hold you in high respect for being a true Canadian!!hehe

^ EXACTLY... too many immature fuck nuts indeed.

Toonto is a nice city.

the whole idea of this thread is stupid...i don't mean any offense to anyone but...a thread like this is just asking for people to bash on a city

I guess I'm technically a non-Torontonian now, so I will comment.

First of, hating a city and it's residents is stupid. It's on the same level of sexism and racism. Stereotyping is the tool of the mentally-lazy.

Secondly, on a more practical note, people don't realize that Toronto is made up mostly of people who came from somewhere else. People who come for opportunities, or for school. Most people I knew in Toronto were from small town Ontario, Quebec, overseas... everywhere. This could be said about many places, so the instant I hear someone generalize about citizens of a particular city, I tune them out.

most of the forumers on here, yes. In an internet sort of way. The city is good.

I'm surprised nobody has managed to get this thread locked yet. Makes me think of those signs at industrial plants. You know the ones...they say things like "X number of days since last catastrophe"

I'm proud of our forumers for this ! You all get a gold star. :hahaha:

It is stupid to just hate a place like Toronto or the all the people from there. How ever alot of forumers from Toronto have a really bad additude, if you were to beleive them you would think Toronto had the best of everything in the world.

Toronto is a great city I have been there, but so is Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Ottawa. Over all Toronto is not better then any of these cities.

Well im from Toronto and i dont think anyone can really judge a place they havent been to. I cant judge calgary, vancouver etc and neither can anyone else who has not been to those places or toronto.

I never hated Toronto at first, but it always seems when I mention I'm from Alberta, a Torontarian is the first to bring up bad blood.
This was especially prevalent when talking to GTA residents while working at the Pizza Hut/KFC call centre (in otherwords, talking to your regular joe six-pack torontarians). The second you mention you're from Edmonton/Alberta, 9/10 times someone has some kind of rude joke at hand. One lady even hung up on me, muttering something under her breath to the effect of "damn conservatives/hicks"
Just because I'm from Alberta I'm automatically a conservative? (I vote NDP)

Toonto is a nice city.

Where is it?

One lady even hung up on me, muttering something under her breath to the effect of "damn conservatives/hicks"

lol

One lady even hung up on me, muttering something under her breath to the effect of "damn conservatives/hicks"


What were you talking about that the topic of where you're from came up?

What were you talking about that the topic of where you're from came up?
Like a large portion of Ontario or Calgary addresses, the computer was having a hard time finding it, so I asked her to hold for a second while I went to do a street setup. A minute or two later I came back with the address located successfully and apologized for the delay. Then, like any curious person, she asked where I was. (surely, a local would know where their addy is at) I told her, and that's when she got all indignant.

lame lame lame

I never hated Toronto at first, but it always seems when I mention I'm from Alberta, a Torontarian is the first to bring up bad blood.
This was especially prevalent when talking to GTA residents while working at the Pizza Hut/KFC call centre (in otherwords, talking to your regular joe six-pack torontarians). The second you mention you're from Edmonton/Alberta, 9/10 times someone has some kind of rude joke at hand. One lady even hung up on me, muttering something under her breath to the effect of "damn conservatives/hicks"
Just because I'm from Alberta I'm automatically a conservative? (I vote NDP)

lol. Maybe you called the Liberal Party HQ. :hahaha:

^That would make sense, afterall the Liberals have no interest in hearing what Albertans have to say. Sames goes for people in Ontario, the only differece is that people here vote for them in a majority.

Strange thread indeed. Everyone just bashing eachother's cities. And yet when I started a thread about "Toronto's Ignorance" it was locked after 5 mesages.

The comment I love is that "oh, I notice that whenever I mention City A, City B ppl always start harping on me, that's why I hate them so much". Look through the whole thread, you will see a Toronto, Vancity, Montreal, and Albertean say it. Might be more but I just browsed this thread.
I think we're Canadians are all very ignorant and have low-confidence when they feel its necessary to bash others. And for those who argue that the other city is the one who has caused the anger, don't give me that "he started it b/s".

Finally, setting up a thread about T.O. which you know will lead to bashing--and then not allowing ppl from T.O. to message. Yeah, good luck. You have to defend your city. Maybe I'll start a bashing thread for each city in Canada, nobody from that city allowed in. That would be fun--until I get banned of course...lol

I think we're Canadians are all very ignorant and have low-confidence when they feel its necessary to bash others. And for those who argue that the other city is the one who has caused the anger, don't give me that "he started it b/s".


no, not all Canadians. Just Canadians who use the internet to vent their insecurities. A minority, to be sure.

I don't hate Toronto, but I do hate the developments outside of it; I wish more tall 'scrapers would be built in the downtown area, as opposed to Mississauga, Scarborough, etc; basically, I want downtown TO to get as dense as possible. I know there are many projects u/c or proposed for downtown, but I would prefer all large-scale projects reserved for downtown. I also hate Toronto's cluster, as it detracts from the rest of the CBD.

^ well i for one am glad that the suburbs are densifying as rapidly as possible

why?

I rather have dense suburbs than spawly ones. With density comes alot of other things to an area which makes them alot more vibrant. Downtown has plenty of density and vibracy, so we can spare a few hundred highrise for the burbs ( by the way Mississagua has 200+ highrises currently). Dense Subrubs make for a more interesting metro area with more places to explore and go out in, but i would like to keep most of the office space downtown, and leave the suburbs with plenty of condo's

I agree with You are to blame. A series of "city centres" should help in reducing traffic too. The downtown area is getting it's share of developments, although very few are highrise commercial towers. I'd like to see the suburbs further densify; if not throughout, at least in their City Centres. In particular Scarborough City Centre, North York City Centre and Mississauga City Centre. With current population growth, I don't see these as being detractors from Downtown as that is and always will be the real centre of the city.

I still hate Toronto

the only people who should be allowed to diss up other peoples cities is if u have been there for atleast a month. thats the only way you can truly know if u like the city. so u should shut up if you just listen to other people and are not informed enough to make your own descion. i'm not just talking about the people who bash toronto but for anyone that bashes any city. as for people judgeing ALL the people in an area because of a few bad incidents with @$$ holes i think your just looking for any reason to hate the city and it offends me when you put all the people under the same umbrella. I live in TO and have never ever been rude to anyone from out of the city especially some one from my own country. people have to stop thinking about being from Ontario or Alberta or Quebec or BC and be proud that we are Canadains. Im proud of Vancouver and Montreal and Calgary and Edmonton and Toronto becasue they are Canadian. I think we all should be.

Make Peace,
Matty

This thread actually hasn't turned out as bad as it could've gotten. I'm actually impressed that people have mostly been sincere in their feelings about T.O. and I think Cassius summed it up best:

"I think this thread has, for the most part, proven the article. Of course there's plenty of non-Torontonians and non-Canadians that don't hate Toronto - many love it, but I think it's pretty clear that more hate it than should. And many for not very good reasons at all."

On that note, this thread was created for Toronto bashing and probably should've been locked immediately....but since things haven't really spiralled out of control, I think we'll leave this open. But I am going to change the thread title since it's pretty ridiculous with the (Non-Torontonians only) rule.

I don't hate Toronto, but I do hate the developments outside of it; I wish more tall 'scrapers would be built in the downtown area, as opposed to Mississauga, Scarborough, etc; basically, I want downtown TO to get as dense as possible. I know there are many projects u/c or proposed for downtown, but I would prefer all large-scale projects reserved for downtown. I also hate Toronto's cluster, as it detracts from the rest of the CBD.


As much as I would like to see as many skyscrapers as possilbe in the downtown core, I have to agree with "Your Are To Blame". It's a bit unrealistic to have all commercial concentrated in the core, and would just add to the traffic congestion. However, what I would like to see in the other civic clusters is more densification of commercial instead of these 2-3 story buildings/warehouses lined up along the highway.
I think that if all of them were converted to higrises, you would see almost every node (mississauga, Brampton, Vaughan, etc) have it's own skyline.

Ahhh, dreaming again...lol

This thread actually hasn't turned out as bad as it could've gotten. I'm actually impressed that people have mostly been sincere in their feelings about T.O. and I think Cassius summed it up best:

"I think this thread has, for the most part, proven the article. Of course there's plenty of non-Torontonians and non-Canadians that don't hate Toronto - many love it, but I think it's pretty clear that more hate it than should. And many for not very good reasons at all."

On that note, this thread was created for Toronto bashing and probably should've been locked immediately....but since things haven't really spiralled out of control, I think we'll leave this open. But I am going to change the thread title since it's pretty ridiculous with the (Non-Torontonians only) rule.

Thanks for changing the name, much appreciated :)
For my part, no more controversial threads that get locked up really quick...lol

As much as I would like to see as many skyscrapers as possilbe in the downtown core, I have to agree with "Your Are To Blame". It's a bit unrealistic to have all commercial concentrated in the core, and would just add to the traffic congestion.


Thats not entirely true. The amount of cars going downtown has remained consistent over the past couple decades while more office space has been added. My beleif is that it would reduce congestion overall in the GTA with the concentration.

I won't dispute that fact. However, would'nt it still be wise to have multiple nods linked by mass transit instead of one large core. It spreads out employment, allows other cities to thrive, and does'nt suck the life out of the suburbs which is currently the case when there is no commercial activity.

I just think it's an overall more sound strategy that is also most fair to all cities. Mind you, the core will still always have the most & densist amount of activity. This will never go away. Downtown just does not have to have ALL buildings

I won't dispute that fact. However, would'nt it still be wise to have multiple nods linked by mass transit instead of one large core. It spreads out employment, allows other cities to thrive, and does'nt suck the life out of the suburbs which is currently the case when there is no commercial activity.

I just think it's an overall more sound strategy that is also most fair to all cities. Mind you, the core will still always have the most & densist amount of activity. This will never go away. Downtown just does not have to have ALL buildings


Very true. Too bad though that here in Vancouver, it's happening a bit too much.

"The amount of cars going downtown has remained consistent over the past couple decades while more office space has been added. "

Can you proof this because I do not remember gridlock being so bad say 15 years ago. (not to mention the number of downtown commercial parking spaces during that time)

"Toronto is a great city I have been there, but so is Vancouver, Calgary, Montreal and Ottawa. Over all Toronto is not better then any of these cities."

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I hated almost every aspect of Vancouver and by no means would I say it is equal in any way to Toronto but to those who actually prefer it over Toronto, I can respect their decision

Very true. Too bad though that here in Vancouver, it's happening a bit too much.

What is exactly going on in Van., or I should say what is happening too much. And, does this have anything to do with why traffic there is pretty crappy?

What people outside Toronto think about Toronto:
1) Little New York, full of cold, arrogant, stubborn, heartless people with worse attitude than NYC.
2) Little LA, full of fake people.
3) Little Tokyo, nobody in Toronto cares about anyone else, and oh please do smile once a while.
4) Little Phoenix, sprawlingville in flatland.

Congrats tbird!!!! You have just won the biggest DOUCHE in the universe award!!

What do you have to say for yourself?

would'nt it still be wise to have multiple nods linked by mass transit instead of one large core. It spreads out employment, allows other cities to thrive, and does'nt suck the life out of the suburbs which is currently the case when there is no commercial activity.

God forbid we "suck the life out of the suburbs..."

I was in New York last weekend, and many people, when they heard where I was from, said Toronto is very boring...well, if you are from NYC, yeah...it pales in comparison. I have talked to people from Detroit, however, and they would move to TO in a heart beat if they could...

What people outside Toronto think about Toronto:
1) Little New York, full of cold, arrogant, stubborn, heartless people with worse attitude than NYC.
2) Little LA, full of fake people.
3) Little Tokyo, nobody in Toronto cares about anyone else, and oh please do smile once a while.
4) Little Phoenix, sprawlingville in flatland.

It's good to know that someone's able to peg every single one of us.

Can you do the same for ethnic groups, homosexuals, and the poor too? I'd love to hear your insightful comments.

What people outside Toronto think about Toronto:
1) Little New York, full of cold, arrogant, stubborn, heartless people with worse attitude than NYC.
2) Little LA, full of fake people.
3) Little Tokyo, nobody in Toronto cares about anyone else, and oh please do smile once a while.
4) Little Phoenix, sprawlingville in flatland.
Not everyone thinks that, just ignorant, arrogant, fake, and heartless people like you.

What people outside Toronto think about Toronto:
1) Little New York, full of cold, arrogant, stubborn, heartless people with worse attitude than NYC.
2) Little LA, full of fake people.
3) Little Tokyo, nobody in Toronto cares about anyone else, and oh please do smile once a while.
4) Little Phoenix, sprawlingville in flatland.

LOL - you've just managed to knock 5 cities. I'm impressed. 3 words for you, slice of heaven.

I hated almost every aspect of Vancouver and by no means would I say it is equal in any way to Toronto but to those who actually prefer it over Toronto, I can respect their decision

Wow, I was just thinking the same thing.

It's amazing how people from Vancouver do everything they can to try and top Toronto.

I don't think either city can call themselves 'world class' until they learn to get over comparing themselves to one another. Its pretty stupid when you think about it - and sorry from an Ottawa prespective its safe to say both sides are just as guilty as the other. There as different as apples and oranges and that includes the people too. Better to appreciate their uniqueness and leave it at that.

Living in Willowdale was nothing like Kitsilano, well, besides the fact that there's a Scotiabank a few blocks away from my flat. Vancouver and Toronto seem to be each others favourite subjects. Funny how Toronto doesn't forever compare itself with Metro Halifax or Vancouver loathing Edmonton for having the Winspear Centre - and worst still .... patrons who support the arts - in Alberta? Toronto and Vancouver should bloody marry each other because their is enough sexual tention between the two, the rest of Canada certainly gets the impression the two cities should just get a room! Hell, between the two of you - you just might produce the perfect city. Be funny if you gave birth to Edmonton.

Speaking as an American in Florida, Toronto is on the list of top 5 places to live.

It has a large exciting multi-cultural population, close proximity to the Great American cities, one of the best mass transit systems in NA, all the eyes of Canada are turned to Toronto.

The architecture is a bit bland. But that is changing with Bloor, King West, Trump, so on.

The future downtown skyscraper core is pretty with a splash of red, green, blue, and white.

I love toronto for shopping only...I must admit the shop buildings made with brown brick on queen street aren't too attracting.

[QUOTE=Tri-City Guy]I don't think either city can call themselves 'world class' until they learn to get over comparing themselves to one another. Its pretty stupid when you think about it - and sorry from an Ottawa prespective its safe to say both sides are just as guilty as the other. There as different as apples and oranges and that includes the people too. Better to appreciate their uniqueness and leave it at that.


I agree with you 100%. I'm better, your better is just a sign of low self-confiidence and nothing more. Tor. and Van. while having some similarities, are more or less completely different from one another, hense impossible to compare. I'm going to say it's a tie with Tor., Van, Cal., Mon., etc. It all depends on your PERSONAL PREFERENCE, nothing more.

But I have to be devil's advocate on one thing. While comparing to each may be inappropriate, it does not necessarily mean you are not a World Class City.
To test this theory out, go to the forums that are City vs. City and look for the ones involving NYC, Chi, LA, London, etc. HINT: quick search is to look for the ones that have been Locked, that's how bad they get.

So, Tor./Van. are at least not alone in being morons and that somehow makes me feel better...lol

Another thingk I would like to see is, for all those Torontonians who bach Vancouver, and all those Vancouverites who bash Toronto....just exactly how many of you have visited the other city? How can you judge a city by picture and commments on the news or god-forbid a thread.
And saying "Why would I visit such a shithold when I already know it sucks" is a copout. Similar to racism if you ask me, you insult something because your not aware of it. So you assume only the worst, and make prejudged assumptions based on it.

God forbid we "suck the life out of the suburbs..."

I was in New York last weekend, and many people, when they heard where I was from, said Toronto is very boring...well, if you are from NYC, yeah...it pales in comparison. I have talked to people from Detroit, however, and they would move to TO in a heart beat if they could...

Isn't ANYWHERE other than NYC boring to them?

I don't think either city can call themselves 'world class' until they learn to get over comparing themselves to one another.

Well then there isn't a "world class" city on the planet...all cities compare themselves to others in one way or another.

To test this theory out, go to the forums that are City vs. City and look for the ones involving NYC, Chi, LA, London, etc. HINT: quick search is to look for the ones that have been Locked, that's how bad they get.

So, Tor./Van. are at least not alone in being morons and that somehow makes me feel better...lol


This is a skyscraper forum...what do you expect? Do you think people in all these cities spend their time doing this?

I wouldn't use these boards as an indication of how all people genuninely are in any given city.

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This is a skyscraper forum...what do you expect? Do you think people in all these cities spend their time doing this?

I wouldn't use these boards as an indication of how all people genuninely are in any given city.

Your absolutely right. The threads represent the absolute most biased view of a a particular population.
However, the general attitude of some (not all) of the pop. to these two cities are still a softened up view of what is on these threads. You most likely can ask the average citizen of one of the two cities and they can quickly tell you what they don't like about that "other" city.

I lived in Vancouver up until I graduated high school at 18 and then moved to Toronto for university. Having now lived in Toronto for the past three years I've found that Toronto is far superior to Vancouver: Toronto simply provides a much more exciting atmosphear, more things to do and is much more important economically to Canada than Vancouver. Even in terms of beauty, while I agree Vancouver has an amazing setting with the ocean and mountains, Vancouver's archetecture is quite bland and stale compared to Toronto's. Vancouverites who say Toronto is ugly simply do not know what real cities look like and are ignorant of the East Coast. The truth is that Vancouver likes to purportrate false notions about itself such as that Vancouver is beautiful and down to earth and laid back. With heavy use of pot the latter is true to an extent, but I found that Vancouver is more lazy than anything else. What it really comes down to is that Vancouver is a small city that prizes the amneities that come with having a small population on the West Coast (clean, a beautiful backdrop and easy living) and tends to dispise what comes with having a real city with a larger population on the East Coast (dirtier and an uglier landscape, but way more exciting and relevant). Vancouver simply vents this anger towards Toronto because it is a fellow Canadian city and that comparison is less laughable that comparing itself to say New York or Chicago. And as previously mentioned in this topic it strikes me as odd how many Vancouverites tend to think New York is an oasis and looks nothing like Toronto--maybe they're watching too much Sex and the City reruns, but East Coast cities all have a similar conformist look. New York is an amazingly unique city, and is definately more attractive than Toronto, but I don't see how someone can really laud Toronto but love New York due to their numerous similarities. If Vancouver were really all it's cracked up to be then I don't think Vancouverites would be so insecure over their city and constantly agressive towards others.

^ well put, i agree.

^ Way to slag Vancouver on your first post. Most Vancouverites aren't aggresive to other cities like you say, these forums may be a different story. BTW is Toronto really an East Coast city, I know coming from the west that may be the common perception, but wouldn't it be more midwestern (or eastern) or cause it's in Canada more Central?

It's really stupid when people say stuff like that because just a few people have been agressive towards other cities and now suddenly all Vancouverites are. I have seen many Torontonians be agressive towards other people too so get your head out of your ass and think before you talk.

I dont think he really slagged Vancouver, he just stated his opinion without degrading his integrity. Some people love Vancouver, some dont. You cant win them all. And we must accept that.

I dont think he really slagged Vancouver, he just stated his opinion without degrading his integrity. Some people love Vancouver, some dont. You cant win them all. And we must accept that.

Exactly.

I lived in Vancouver up until I graduated high school at 18 and then moved to Toronto for university. Having now lived in Toronto for the past three years I've found that Toronto is far superior to Vancouver: Toronto simply provides a much more exciting atmosphear, more things to do and is much more important economically to Canada than Vancouver. Even in terms of beauty, while I agree Vancouver has an amazing setting with the ocean and mountains, Vancouver's archetecture is quite bland and stale compared to Toronto's. Vancouverites who say Toronto is ugly simply do not know what real cities look like and are ignorant of the East Coast. The truth is that Vancouver likes to purportrate false notions about itself such as that Vancouver is beautiful and down to earth and laid back. With heavy use of pot the latter is true to an extent, but I found that Vancouver is more lazy than anything else. What it really comes down to is that Vancouver is a small city that prizes the amneities that come with having a small population on the West Coast (clean, a beautiful backdrop and easy living) and tends to dispise what comes with having a real city with a larger population on the East Coast (dirtier and an uglier landscape, but way more exciting and relevant). Vancouver simply vents this anger towards Toronto because it is a fellow Canadian city and that comparison is less laughable that comparing itself to say New York or Chicago. And as previously mentioned in this topic it strikes me as odd how many Vancouverites tend to think New York is an oasis and looks nothing like Toronto--maybe they're watching too much Sex and the City reruns, but East Coast cities all have a similar conformist look. New York is an amazingly unique city, and is definately more attractive than Toronto, but I don't see how someone can really laud Toronto but love New York due to their numerous similarities. If Vancouver were really all it's cracked up to be then I don't think Vancouverites would be so insecure over their city and constantly agressive towards others.

This is so obvious that this guy is an alter, first post and he is bashing Vancouver relentlessly... stop making two account names and get a life... haha. Atleast dont give it away that your an alter.

Not bashing TO here, but Vancouver always ranks way ahead of Toronto in the numerous lists of the world's best cities!!!!

Personally, I feel more carefree in Vancouver, a more feelgood place for moi!

New York is an amazingly unique city, and is definately more attractive than Toronto, but I don't see how someone can really laud Toronto but love New York due to their numerous similarities.Comparing Toronto to New York ... simply hilarious.

Let's not turn this thread into a Toronto vs. Vancouver (or NYC) thread please.

Not bashing TO here, but Vancouver always ranks way ahead of Toronto in the numerous lists of the world's best cities!!!!

Personally, I feel more carefree in Vancouver, a more feelgood place for moi!

for travel, and livability for certian groups of expats. Lets not get carried away. neither city gets listed too much on real world lists.

It's really stupid when people say stuff like that because just a few people have been agressive towards other cities and now suddenly all Vancouverites are. I have seen many Torontonians be agressive towards other people too so get your head out of your ass and think before you talk.

I don't know if this 'Toronto is ugly' concept is engrained in a lot of Vancouverites, maybe in the school system? I guess that it is more prevalant than this 'Toronto is the center of the universe" actual mentality that Torontoarians get labelled. I know I havn't meet every Vancouverite, but it gets repetitive the ones I meet that say this about Toronto, and how the natural environment is so ugly and they could never live there, yet NYC is ok - yet it is the same/worse in my opinion. What is surprising though to me (because I know this forum is not representative) is that the Vancouverites I meet, who have no interest in skyscrapers/urban (or the same motives of people on this board) still sing the same tune. Really, I think this "toronto is ugly" theme is more valid than the "toronto is the center of the universe". I think Toronto has no visible (from Toronto) striking environmental charactoristics that Vancouver has, yet I find this the same with most east coast cities. Yet, I think some bash TO on this point way too much as it is the norm on this coast.

Honestly, all Canadian cities need a tune up on architectural quality. Repetitive glass condos and commerical boxes with bland colours just aren't going to attract International recognition...and without that, it's pretty hard to stand out in today's competitive world (especially tourism).

BTW is Toronto really an East Coast city, I know coming from the west that may be the common perception, but wouldn't it be more midwestern (or eastern) or cause it's in Canada more Central?

Good question.

I just call it a "great lakes" city.

^ Way to slag Vancouver on your first post. Most Vancouverites aren't aggresive to other cities like you say, these forums may be a different story. BTW is Toronto really an East Coast city, I know coming from the west that may be the common perception, but wouldn't it be more midwestern (or eastern) or cause it's in Canada more Central?

To me, I've always considered it a East Coast city. I don't know why, but to me, Toronto's more similiar in atmosphere & feel to say NYC & Philly than say Chicago or any other midwest city for that matter.

Coming from Vancouver, I've always had that perception. ~

I think theres a noticable difference between Great Lakes cities and east coast cities. Certainly, theres a difference in their context, at least.

Ummm, can we be a bit of both? East coast and midwestern. Actually, does it matter how we are classified

Sorry about my insult there :runaway:

I agree with most of you that Toronto is nice, I'm just from the West Coast so I like Vancouver better. Nothing against TO, except for the "Centre of the Universe" thing.

I don't think we are any better when it comes to the "center of the universe" thing.

Sorry about my insult there :runaway:

I agree with most of you that Toronto is nice, I'm just from the West Coast so I like Vancouver better. Nothing against TO, except for the "Centre of the Universe" thing.


You mean the thing that doesn't exist?

Ummm, can we be a bit of both? East coast and midwestern. Actually, does it matter how we are classified

No it doesn't really matter, I've always sort of thought of it as an eastern city, not necessarily east coast, latley though I'm not really sure how I should consider it, but I was just wondering how native Torontonians viewed it.

Sorry about my insult there :runaway:

I agree with most of you that Toronto is nice, I'm just from the West Coast so I like Vancouver better. Nothing against TO, except for the "Centre of the Universe" thing.
C'mon, everybody goes a little crazy about hometown-boosterism and think that their city is the greatest, there's no denying it....unless you live in a town like Yellowknife. :runaway:

^ Way to slag Vancouver on your first post. Most Vancouverites aren't aggresive to other cities like you say, these forums may be a different story. BTW is Toronto really an East Coast city, I know coming from the west that may be the common perception, but wouldn't it be more midwestern (or eastern) or cause it's in Canada more Central?

Having come from Vancouver I have always considered Toronto to be an East Coast city, but it is quite correct to point out that it is rather a 'mid-eastern' or 'central' Canadian city. I would like to add that I am not an "alter" or duplicate or fake user; I have been visiting this forum for almost a year now but was never registered as I didn't feel a need to submit my opinion until after reading this, about the 100th, topic regarding Canadian attitudes and perceptions towards the city of Toronto. I agree that perhaps my post was on the agressive side and I don't want to turn this into a 'Vancouver vs. Toronto' argument (but based on the other 99 topics concerning Toronto, they always do); what I wanted to convey was that Vancouverites can be just as arrogant as Torontonians when it comes to the superiority of their city, as is natural in any city in any country.

For the past two years I have returned to Vancouver for the summers as my family resides there (and, I'm sure no one will disagree that the summers of any city infinetly beat Toronto's) and am aimed to do so this year as well. I usually get some heat there when I say that I prefer Toronto over Vancouver and ironically I try to cool the ignorance there the same way I do out East: I explain that there are different opinions in every corner of the world and that those opinions, though often supported with facts, are simply opinions and none are indefinetly correct. Torontonians do not have in the back of their minds compelling envy of Vancouver, and the reverse is obviously not true for Vancouverites. As we live in a country that has been on the verge of breaking apart since it's creation, Canadians would be better off to stop picking ourselves apart and celebrate the fact that we are one of the greatest countries in the world that happens to contain three great cities.

C'mon, everybody goes a little crazy about hometown-boosterism and think that their city is the greatest, there's no denying it....unless you live in a town like Yellowknife. :runaway:

Well that is true, just look at my nickname. But I am not from Vancouver...

I don't mind when it's hometown-boosterism but when people take that so seriously and actually beleive it then I get a little mad.

Whenever I see "Centre of the Universe", I always think of the eaton's center advertising campaign they did. Toronto is "Center of the GTA".

And whenever I see comments like VancouverRocks last post, makes me laugh.

Canadians would be better off to stop picking ourselves apart and celebrate the fact that we are one of the greatest countries in the world that happens to contain three great cities.Hmmm, seems to me like you just picked Canada apart with this statement by insinuating that Canada is comprised of only 3 great cities while the rest of the country is irrelevant.

Which are Canada's three great cities anyway?

Having come from Vancouver I have always considered Toronto to be an East Coast city, but it is quite correct to point out that it is rather a 'mid-eastern' or 'central' Canadian city. I would like to add that I am not an "alter" or duplicate or fake user; I have been visiting this forum for almost a year now but was never registered as I didn't feel a need to submit my opinion until after reading this, about the 100th, topic regarding Canadian attitudes and perceptions towards the city of Toronto. I agree that perhaps my post was on the agressive side and I don't want to turn this into a 'Vancouver vs. Toronto' argument (but based on the other 99 topics concerning Toronto, they always do); what I wanted to convey was that Vancouverites can be just as arrogant as Torontonians when it comes to the superiority of their city, as is natural in any city in any country.

For the past two years I have returned to Vancouver for the summers as my family resides there (and, I'm sure no one will disagree that the summers of any city infinetly beat Toronto's) and am aimed to do so this year as well. I usually get some heat there when I say that I prefer Toronto over Vancouver and ironically I try to cool the ignorance there the same way I do out East: I explain that there are different opinions in every corner of the world and that those opinions, though often supported with facts, are simply opinions and none are indefinetly correct. Torontonians do not have in the back of their minds compelling envy of Vancouver, and the reverse is obviously not true for Vancouverites. As we live in a country that has been on the verge of breaking apart since it's creation, Canadians would be better off to stop picking ourselves apart and celebrate the fact that we are one of the greatest countries in the world that happens to contain three great cities.


THANK YOU!!!
I have been trying to say the exact same thing for so many posts (and a couple locked threads I might add...lol). Good to know that some people can see above the "my city only" attitude. The best city in Canada? There is NONE, it's a 5 way tie! Let's leave it at that.

Does anyone know where "centre of the universe" expression came from anyways?

Who the hell started it. I never heard the expression used before until I spent time outside Toronto ironically enough.

I don't know if this 'Toronto is ugly' concept is engrained in a lot of Vancouverites, maybe in the school system? I guess that it is more prevalant than this 'Toronto is the center of the universe" actual mentality that Torontoarians get labelled. I know I havn't meet every Vancouverite, but it gets repetitive the ones I meet that say this about Toronto, and how the natural environment is so ugly and they could never live there, yet NYC is ok - yet it is the same/worse in my opinion. What is surprising though to me (because I know this forum is not representative) is that the Vancouverites I meet, who have no interest in skyscrapers/urban (or the same motives of people on this board) still sing the same tune. Really, I think this "toronto is ugly" theme is more valid than the "toronto is the center of the universe". I think Toronto has no visible (from Toronto) striking environmental charactoristics that Vancouver has, yet I find this the same with most east coast cities. Yet, I think some bash TO on this point way too much as it is the norm on this coast.

Give Vancouver a break...
Torontonians are full with a bunch of whining babies.

Give Vancouver a break...
Torontonians are full with a bunch of whining babies.

Because we have higher birth rate?

Give Vancouver a break...
Torontonians are full with a bunch of whining babies.


Hey hey! Look who's back! It's the guy who unfairly gives Vancouverites a bad rep!

Does anyone know where "centre of the universe" expression came from anyways?

Who the hell started it. I never heard the expression used before until I spent time outside Toronto ironically enough.

I remember a stupid minivan ad that touted that a few years back. Although I'm not sure if that's where it originated.

Give Vancouver a break...
Torontonians are full with a bunch of whining babies.

ugh... that's what's causing me indigestion. I should have stopped after eating the first whiny baby, but you can't have just one!

*edit* I shouldn't make fun of people for whom English isn't their first language. English grammar is particularly tough to comprehend. I'm very sorry.

Torontonians are full with a bunch of whining babies.

I don't get it? I'm full of whinning babies? I didn't even realize I had eaten whinning babies.

But it's like algonquin says, once you have one, you just can't stop. lol.

Sorry van-tbird, making fun of degenerates is just too much fun...and you make it so easy.

why does every thread have to revolve around a toronto vs vancouver beef...

[QUOTE=Roch5220]Whenever I see "Centre of the Universe", I always think of the eaton's center advertising campaign they did. Toronto is "Center of the GTA".[QUOTE]

I recall seeing advertisements for the Eaton Centre on TTC subways years back that said "Centre of the Universe" with a dot or arrow or something indicating where the Eaton Centre was located. I found it to be a rather different advertising style so I looked up the quote and that's when I first found out that apparently Torontonians think we're the centre of the universe; but according to a large amount of the GTA Canadian population.

So that's what caused it, a stupid advertising campaign!? So, because some company decides to sell minivans or get us to go the the Eaton's Centre, we ridiculed by the whole country!
Well that just blows. Country fell for an advertising gimmick and Torontonians get the brunt of it.
Shows how myths can be turned into fact when enough people believe in it.

No. I think it originated before that, when Toronto was different a couple of decades ago? Just rehashed for marketing

I hate Toronto! I know I'm from Toronto but I just couldn't hold it in.

Naturally, people hate the city their living in. LOL.

Vancouver.............urban parks, climate, mountains, incredible scenery
Toronto..................theatre, energy, urbanity, museums, cosmopolitan nature, shopping, restaurants, nightlife.

If you love the outdoor lifestlye and being able to aescape the city at a moments notice then there is no city like Vancouver.
If you a real urban enviornment with all the energy, arts, shopping, resturants, and big city living then Toronto.

You know the thing I hate about this??? It's OK to have a thread about what you hate about Toronto or inadequencies of Vancouver is OK. If, however, you even dared to a bit of old-fashioned Montreal bashing then you would be called "anti-Quebec" or offensive and our friendly neighbourhood Quebec police monitors would shut down the thread in three minutes.

you forgot that vancouver has better skateboarding... hands down

I can't believe someone dug up this two year old dead thread.