Read article first:
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1107643814349&call_pageid=970599119419

It's interesting :runaway: was an eye opener especially cause I am Toronto. I'm interested in hearing your opinions:D Non Torontonians :eek2:

This has been done before... :deadthrea

EDIT: I know, I'm tired...I should have seen that I was missing that 'been'...

Nothing against Toronto. I just don't really like individuals who either think that Toronto is superior to every other place in Canada, or that everyone else hates Toronto.

Do you hate Toronto? :sly:

This has done before... :deadthrea
:applause: :applause:

Actually, I hate Toronto because of the traffic and air pollution. However, lots of highrise construction is occuring there and it's interesting to follow growth in the Golden Horse.

I love Toronto.

I hate new suburban Torontonian forumers who don't read existing thread topics before starting new ones.






KGB

Toronto the city is fantastic. Most of the people I would assume are average like everyone else in the country. Based on this forum however, I doubt many will be converted to hard-core Toronto lovers. Plus this is a really tired topic around here.

Ive been a couple of times in Toronto and its a wonderful city!

Nothing against Toronto. I just don't really like individuals who either think that Toronto is superior to every other place in Canada, or that everyone else hates Toronto.

my thoughts exactlty

[QUOTE=oceanmdx]Actually, I hate Toronto because of the traffic and air pollution.[QUOTE]

Why would you hate a place because of the traffic - it's not like you live there? Last time I was in London the traffic was rediculous and the air wasn't so good but it certainly doesn't make me 'hate' the place. I still love visiting it.

I'm sure there are lots of people on the island that 'hate' Vancouver for all the traffic and air pollution (to put it in your regional context). Think that's a fair comment to make?

"Why would you hate a place because of the traffic - it's not like you live there? Last time I was in London the traffic was rediculous and the air wasn't so good but it certainly doesn't make me 'hate' the place. I still love visiting it.

I'm sure there are lots of people on the island that 'hate' Vancouver for all the traffic and air pollution (to put it in your regional context). Think that's a fair comment to make?"

First of all, I was raised and educated in Waterloo, and I don't like how much more polluted the air has become in southern Ontario over the years. The traffic on the roads - particularly in and around Toronto - has become much more of a problem as well. Why should gridlock and air pollution not count against any city? Just because we are referring to Toronto the great?

Vancouver has extremely clean air and light traffic in comparison to Toronto. It would be ridiculous for anyone to say that Toronto is okay, but that they hate Vancouver because of its traffic and pollution. I actually had a friend, who lives in Naniamo, tell me how bad the air pollution gets in the Fraser Valley - where I spent the entire summer last year. I felt like telling him that he hasn't got a clue and that air in the Fraser Valley is pristine in comparison to Toronto's.

If Toronto (along with Ontario and Canada) cleaned up its act with respect to the deficiencies that I have mentioned, then I would sing the place's praises.

"Why would you hate a place because of the traffic - it's not like you live there? Last time I was in London the traffic was rediculous and the air wasn't so good but it certainly doesn't make me 'hate' the place. I still love visiting it.

I'm sure there are lots of people on the island that 'hate' Vancouver for all the traffic and air pollution (to put it in your regional context). Think that's a fair comment to make?"

First of all, I was raised and educated in Waterloo, and I don't like how much more polluted the air has become in southern Ontario over the years. The traffic on the roads - particularly in and around Toronto - has become much more of a problem as well. Why should gridlock and air pollution not count against any city? Just because we are referring to Toronto the great?

Vancouver has extremely clean air and light traffic in comparsion to Toronto. It would be ridiculous for anyone to say that Toronto is okay, but that they hate Vancouver because of its traffic and pollution. I actually had a friend, who lives in Naniamo, tell me how bad the air pollution gets in the Fraser Valley - where I spent the entire summer last year. I felt like telling him that he hasn't got a clue and that air in the Fraser Valley is pristine in comparison to Toronto's.

If Toronto (along with Ontario and Canada) cleaned up its act with respect to the deficiencies that I have mentioned, then I would sing the place's praises.


I think his point is traffic has very little to do with enjoying the city...unless you drove down and spent all your time driving during rush hour.

I hate Toronto! I know I'm from Toronto but I just couldn't hold it in.

Thank you SD. It's like you need a translator to speak to this guy.

"If Toronto (along with Ontario and Canada) cleaned up its act with respect to the deficiencies that I have mentioned, then I would sing the place's praises."

What deficiencies? What do you suggest they do with all those industrial plants and manufacturing facilities that produces goods YOU consume? Move all industry to BC perhaps? Wouldn't that be awesome! Vancouver could be this megaopolis stretching to Mission filled with office parks, automotive plants, 20 lane freeways, oil refineries, industrial plants, processing facilities and another 3.5 million people to support it all. I'd love to see Vancouver then.

It's easy to stand by and go 'tis-tis' to pollution when it's not being done in your backyard but yet, as a consumer, you are the cause. Enough of the hycopracy already.

Perhaps you can speak about the clear cutting of old growth forests in BC? The horror! I hate BC because of that.

Thank you SD. It's like you need a translator to speak to this guy.

"If Toronto (along with Ontario and Canada) cleaned up its act with respect to the deficiencies that I have mentioned, then I would sing the place's praises."

What deficiencies? What do you suggest they do with all those industrial plants and manufacturing facilities that produces goods YOU consume? Move all industry to BC perhaps? Wouldn't that be awesome! Vancouver could be this megaopolis stretching to Mission filled with office parks, automotive plants, 20 lane freeways, oil refineries, industrial plants, processing facilities and another 3.5 million people to support it all. I'd love to see Vancouver then.

It's easy to stand by and go 'tis-tis' to pollution when it's not being done in your backyard but yet, as a consumer, you are the cause. Enough of the hycopracy already.

Perhaps you can speak about the clear cutting of old growth forests in BC? The horror! I hate BC because of that.

Doesn't it say "Non-Torontonians only" up there ?

Yes, yes it does! Why do you ask?

Well, since you are 416 and that's an area code in the GTA then it's safe to assume that you have a strong bias in favour of Toronto and consider it your home in Canada. That pretty much makes you a defacto Torontonian. So that would mean that this thread is not meant for you then. Unless of course you really live in Newfoundland and just wish you lived in Toronto.

'416' does not represent my area code but I could see why you would think so. Brilliant work chap!

Vancouver has horrible traffic and putrid air quality compared to Calgary, so I hate Vancouver. Anybody who claims Vancouver scores on either of those criteria is laughably deluded.

I go to Waterloo, this guy does not represent us.

I've never been to Toronto, as I've had no reason to go there and not a lot of people telling me I should go visit. I'd rather spend my traveling money on Europe. That doesn't mean I hate it though.

I know it's the largest city in Canada. Lot's of big business, people in suites walking fast etc.. I might hate the life style.

It's the most important city to Canada. I don't think a lot of people will argue with that. So Toronto is ok in my books.

:cheers:

Thank you SD. It's like you need a translator to speak to this guy.

Let's see now, there are two forumers who I need a translator for, Blink182 and 416.

What deficiencies?

Toronto and Ontario could get rid of the coal-fired electric generating plants, and introduce California-style air pollution abatement standards. That is a deficiency in Ontario's regulations.

Also, Ontario (and the Feds) should be willing to spend a lot more on public transit.

It's easy to stand by and go 'tis-tis' to pollution when it's not being done in your backyard but yet, as a consumer, you are the cause. Enough of the hycopracy already.

You are making a very lame point, because I'm willing to pay a little more for stricter standards.

Perhaps you can speak about the clear cutting of old growth forests in BC? The horror! I hate BC because of that.

Don't be so damned stupid! Just because I have "all over BC" listed as my location in no way suggests that I support clear cutting.

'416' does not represent my area code but I could see why you would think so. Brilliant work chap!

That has to be the most disingenuous reply that I have ever seen on this forum. Sorry, but your signature ("With its sizzling cutural mix and a stylish new personality, this once bland metropolis breaks into the urban major leagues." National Geographic, 1996) gives you away. "416" and that signature are too much of a coincidence.

Vancouver has horrible traffic and putrid air quality compared to Calgary, so I hate Vancouver. Anybody who claims Vancouver scores on either of those criteria is laughably deluded.

Both Vancouver and Calgary have pretty good air quality more often than not. Calgary gets weather inversions in the winter and air quality suffers when it does. Also, Calgary's highway infrastructure has not kept pace with its population growth and that is a well-known fact. What is traffic on MacLeod like half the time?

Toronto's traffic and air pollution issues are in a different league from Vancouver's or Calgary's issues.

I go to Waterloo, this guy does not represent us.

I'm from Waterloo - both the city and the University; and you certainly don't represent us, especially considering the avatar that you proudly sport. :bash:

I don't hate Toronto at all. Some of the Torontians on SSC can get quite hostile and angry for no reason. Frankly, quite rude and obnoxious. When I said I like Montreal and Vancouver more the Toronto hate birds came out. I was a 'troll, a basher, jealous' and whatever else. When I stated I didn't care for the skyline it got real ugly. All I said was I thougt it was boxy. Of course again I was 'jealous, a troll, a basher', 'oh of course an american' and other things I wish not to even write. Then since I live in Seattle, the Seattle skyline had to be bashed in the ground, even with foul words. How dare I say anything bad about Toronto. Yes boxy is pretty bad. But the Torontians can use the worst, foul, ugly, vulgar words in describing just about any skyline or city and of course thats ok. Still can't figure out the jealous part. Oh well. All I can say is, take a chill pill.

I don't hate Toronto at all. Some of the Torontians on SSC can get quite hostile and angry for no reason. Frankly, quite rude and obnoxious. When I said I like Montreal and Vancouver more the Toronto hate birds came out. I was a 'troll, a basher, jealous' and whatever else. When I stated I didn't care for the skyline it got real ugly. All I said was I thougt it was boxy. Of course again I was 'jealous, a troll, a basher', 'oh of course an american' and other things I wish not to even write. Then since I live in Seattle, the Seattle skyline had to be bashed in the ground, even with foul words. How dare I say anything bad about Toronto. Yes boxy is pretty bad. But the Torontians can use the worst, foul, ugly, vulgar words in describing just about any skyline or city and of course thats ok. Still can't figure out the jealous part. Oh well. All I can say is, take a chill pill.
That pretty much sums up alot of people's experiences around here with SOME of the TO forumers.

I don't hate Toronto at all. Some of the Torontians on SSC can get quite hostile and angry for no reason. Frankly, quite rude and obnoxious. When I said I like Montreal and Vancouver more the Toronto hate birds came out. I was a 'troll, a basher, jealous' and whatever else. When I stated I didn't care for the skyline it got real ugly. All I said was I thougt it was boxy. Of course again I was 'jealous, a troll, a basher', 'oh of course an american' and other things I wish not to even write. Then since I live in Seattle, the Seattle skyline had to be bashed in the ground, even with foul words. How dare I say anything bad about Toronto. Yes boxy is pretty bad. But the Torontians can use the worst, foul, ugly, vulgar words in describing just about any skyline or city and of course thats ok. Still can't figure out the jealous part. Oh well. All I can say is, take a chill pill.

There are people like that from all cities. It is not unique to Toronto.

I don't hate Toronto at all. Some of the Torontians on SSC can get quite hostile and angry for no reason. Frankly, quite rude and obnoxious. When I said I like Montreal and Vancouver more the Toronto hate birds came out. I was a 'troll, a basher, jealous' and whatever else. When I stated I didn't care for the skyline it got real ugly. All I said was I thougt it was boxy. Of course again I was 'jealous, a troll, a basher', 'oh of course an american' and other things I wish not to even write. Then since I live in Seattle, the Seattle skyline had to be bashed in the ground, even with foul words. How dare I say anything bad about Toronto. Yes boxy is pretty bad. But the Torontians can use the worst, foul, ugly, vulgar words in describing just about any skyline or city and of course thats ok. Still can't figure out the jealous part. Oh well. All I can say is, take a chill pill.

I agree fully.

I was born in The Peg and I hate Toronto because... well... she's only one in Canada able to shoulder my hate. She's had lots of practice.

I tried hating that wimpy, prissy Vancouver... but everybody began to whine and cry, and I found myself actually missing the "love me, love me... I'm perfect" drone.

I used to love Montreal but that affair was so F#@$ing one-sided, I realized what self-important les jerks they are. Now I practice "un-love" for Mount Real.

I hate how Toronto is the dumping ground for the rest of Canada - we get all the freaks, drunks, bums, homeless.

What no other city wants in Canada - Toronto gets.

Hey we just got that Alberta teen that killed a few other students in Taber.
He's now at a halfway house in Toronto

If I was mayor - I would send them back to the community that they're from.

I lived in Toronto 4 years. My problems with Toronto :

Traffic & Sprawl (same problem, more or less)
Cost of living
Too flat
Too far from nice country side (lakes, mountains, forest…)

I don’t hate Toronto, I just preferred living in other cities.

I hate how Toronto is the dumping ground for the rest of Canada - we get all the freaks, drunks, bums, homeless.

What no other city wants in Canada - Toronto gets.

Hey we just got that Alberta teen that killed a few other students in Taber.
He's now at a halfway house in Toronto

If I was mayor - I would send them back to the community that they're from.

I thought Vancouver was the dumping ground. :ohno:

Very sad indeed.

I think articles such as this one are Pathetic

I don't hate Toronto at all. I think that Toronto offers a lot and in fact, it is probably my favourite city in Canada. Vancouver and Montreal come close too...

I lived in Toronto 4 years. My problems with Toronto :

Traffic & Sprawl (same problem, more or less)
Cost of living
Too flat
Too far from nice country side (lakes, mountains, forest…)

I don’t hate Toronto, I just preferred living in other cities.


"Too far from nice country side"? I guess that depends on what you define as "too far" (and I suppose "nice" too) but I find Toronto relatively close to a lot of great rural areas, smaller towns and natural areas.

I don't hate Toronto at all. Neither do most of my friends. Our top three agreed on places to live are

1. Chicago (cauze we already do)
2. N.Y.C (but too expensive)
3. Toronto

"Lot's of big business, people in suites walking fast etc."

Never quite understood that chatacterization...I assume this is due to western canadians only relating to what they know about Toronto...the business capital...and knowing nothing of all the other more noticeable characteristics.





I find it far more acceptable to deal with the massive industry which at least tries to do something about the polution it creates, than to listen to high and mighty BC, who still throws their untreated waste directly into the water, and actually tries to defend it....hardly the faultless environmentalists they try and characterize themselves as.






"If I was mayor - I would send them back to the community that they're from."

Hasn't Ralph Klein been winning on that platform for years??? LOL!






KGB

"Lot's of big business, people in suites walking fast etc."

Never quite understood that chatacterization...I assume this is due to western canadians only relating to what they know about Toronto...the business capital...and knowing nothing of all the other more noticeable characteristics.

LOL! That was written with you in mind KGB. :poke:

You are correct. I find that image hard to shake. I'd have to actually go there and see...

What I would like to know is if Western Canadians had said nice things about TO , if there would be a back lash against the West? I dont recall and clear cutting since the 80's , and my family has been in lumber for years and years. Vancouver has it's draw backs but it is nice.Toronto is a great place, anyplace with that much construction has got to be great.

Ontario is lucky it has all the population it does, If we had that, we'd be huge too. But is it really wierd that the Golden horse shoe is the closest piece of property in Canada to the US?

I lived in Toronto 4 years. My problems with Toronto :

Traffic & Sprawl (same problem, more or less)
Cost of living
Too flat
Too far from nice country side (lakes, mountains, forest…)

I don’t hate Toronto, I just preferred living in other cities.

Boy you must not have travelled around much when you lived in TO. With no traffic on the highway my home is less then an hour from the CN tower yet its surrounded by forest. There is also a plethora of lakes and hills well within and hour drive. No mountians but an escarpment!

As to the topic of this thread I love Toronto for its buildings, opportunities and diversity. But i dislike the traffic and smog. Maybe if i had to drive to TO everyday i would grow to hate the comute but not the city.

I find it far more acceptable to deal with the massive industry which at least tries to do something about the polution it creates, than to listen to high and mighty BC, who still throws their untreated waste directly into the water, and actually tries to defend it....hardly the faultless environmentalists they try and characterize themselves as.

KGB

Well I don't think you should be blaming the whole province for that, as most of the population does treat it's sewage, Greater Victoria(excluding Sooke, and the Penninsula municipalities) being the main exception.

Although I've heard many people bring this up as some sort of environmental disaster, I've yet to see any negative research presented that clearly shows detrimental environmental impacts from the discharge of waste into the Strait of Juan De Fuca. The areas around outfall sites are continually monitored, and Victoria is actually mandated to implement sewage treatment, if negative impacts are detected, so far that has not been the case.

I hate new suburban Torontonian forumers who don't read existing thread topics before starting new ones.


Agreed. I mean...the nerve of someone to actually not have been around at the very dawn of skyscrapercity.com. The idea that they would dare expect us to wait while they catch up enrages me to the core... :sleepy:

Although I've heard many people bring this up as some sort of environmental disaster, I've yet to see any negative research presented that clearly shows detrimental environmental impacts from the discharge of waste into the Strait of Juan De Fuca.

This is one of the most overblown environmental issues I've heard of. You're right to say that Victoria has been testing for detrimental effects and hasn't found any...that's because the Strait of Juan de Fuca is a far better sewage treatment plant than anything man-made could be! People get grossed out by the idea of sewage being dumped into the ocean, but the fact is its actually fairly environmentally friendly. For one thing, the currents are so strong in that area that the waste is almost instantly dispersed into the Pacific.

See what I mean...apparently it's actually environmentally friendly to dump raw sewage directly into the ocean. Why should we waste so much money trying to isolate contaminents, when the ocean can just "handle" it? Everybody should do it.






KGB

^Well only if it's in an area that can "handle it", and the population isn't too big, and lacks major industrial pollutants. It's hardly environmentally friendly to dump raw sewage, but if it isn't causing harm, the immense cost to construct a sewage treatment facility is hardly justifiable. Besides if it was causing any harm the Department of Fisheries and Oceans would step in, wouldn't they?

I think it's rather sad that BC'ers aren't even aware of the environmental damage they are doing - all the while raising their noses at Toronto for, gasp, traffic. How do you say "hypocracy?"

READ AND LEARN PEOPLE!

MEDIA RELEASE

Canada's Sewage Report Card results: Embarrassingly low grades for coastal cities; Victoria suspended Hundreds of billions of litres of toxic, raw sewage still dumped into Canada's lakes, rivers and oceans each year

September 8 2004

VICTORIA, BC - Sierra Legal released its third National Sewage Report Card today that evaluates how cities across Canada treat and manage their sewage. Prepared for the Georgia Strait Alliance (GSA), Labour Environmental Alliance Society, and T Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation, the report reveals that Canada's coastal cities continue to lag behind the rest of the country, and highlights Canada's ineffective treatment of sewage issues.


"More than a decade after our National Sewage Report Card first brought attention to the abysmal level of sewage treatment in many cities across Canada, billions of litres of raw sewage continue to flow into our lakes, rivers and waterways each day," said Sierra Legal staff lawyer Margot Venton."As Canadians, we should be embarrassed that major cities like Victoria and Montreal continue to dump enormous amounts of sewage laden with toxic chemicals into local waterways without any treatment whatsoever."

The report evaluates twenty-two cities and assigns them a letter grade based on the quality of their sewage treatment as determined by various criteria including level of treatment, volume of raw sewage discharged and their progress since the last report in 1999.


Although some cities examined in the report have made substantial progress, the lack of discernible improvement in many cities was alarming. Of the twenty-two cities documented in the report, six (Victoria, Dawson City, Montreal, Saint John, Halifax and St. John's) continue to dump some or all of their sewage without any treatment. These six municipalities alone generate a total of 400 million litres of raw sewage per day - over 4,600 litres every second.


The highest grades in the third National Sewage Report Card went the cities of Edmonton, Calgary and Whistler, which are treating virtually all of their sewage at the highest (tertiary) level. The communities of Dawson City, Halifax and St. John's improved their previously poor grades by making significant commitments to upgrade treatment levels in coming years. At the bottom of the class were Montreal, which fails for continuing to dump 3.6 billion litres of raw sewage into the St Lawrence River each year, and the City of Victoria, "suspended" for being the only major city in Canada that still discharges all of its sewage raw and has not taken steps to improve in a meaningful way.


"While communities like Halifax and St John's have finally recognized that sewage treatment is a necessity, not a luxury, the City of Victoria continues to rely on the absurd assumption that dumping more than 34 billions of litres of raw sewage into our local waterways each year does not harm the environment," said Jim McIsaac of the T. Buck Suzuki Environmental Foundation.


The report provides several recommendations, including increasing efforts to prevent harmful pollutants from entering the sewer system in the first place and replacing environmentally harmful chlorine disinfection with safer alternatives.


"It is simply shocking that the toxic soup we call sewage is regularly being dumped into our lakes, rivers and oceans," said Christianne Wilhelmson of GSA. "In addition to the organic matter and microorganisms you generally associate with raw sewage, today sewage contains hundreds of toxic harmful chemicals such as heavy metals, persistent organic pollutants and PCBs."

"Unlike the United States or European Union, Canada has no national standards for sewage treatment," said Sierra Legal staff scientist Dr. Elaine MacDonald. "As a result of our patchwork approach, Canada has fallen well behind. To begin catching up, Canada must create national standards for sewage treatment, and these standards should be consistently and equitably enforced throughout the country."

The report also calls for federal and provincial funding to ensure proper treatment facilities are built in all communities in Canada and for research and development of safer sewage treatments, including effective methods for safe disposal of sewage sludge.


Copies of the Report and a Media Backgrounder are available for download at: www.sierralegal.org. A full summary of Report Card grades and French versions of these materials are also available.


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For further information please contact:

Sierra Legal:
Margot Venton (604) 685-5618 ext 245, cell (604) 313-3132
John Werring (604) 685 5618 ext 232, cell (604) 328-1633
GSA: Christianne Wilhelmson (604) 633-0530, cell (604) 787-7166
LEAS: Mae Burrows (604) 669-1921, (604) 526-1956
T. Buck Suzuki: Jim McIsaac (250) 360-1398

I think it's rather sad that BC'ers aren't even aware of the environmental damage they are doing - all the while raising their noses at Toronto for, gasp, traffic. How do you say "hypocracy?"

You should start a new thread called 'Do YOU hate Victoria'. :rofl:

Try not to lump us BC'ers together like that and :bash: . Who brought this up anyway? Let's steer this back to Toronto. :devil:

I and few others :) I'm sure, agree that pumping human poo into the ocean is a bad thing and should be addressed. REMEMBER! We (Canada) all suck with the environment really. OK, which Province is killing those seals? :guns1:

How do you say "hypocracy?"



Not like that...

Honestly, if Toronto is seen as one of the world's 'great cities' the rest of the world must be one big 'hole' so to speak :-P

Here's the summary of that report. You can see that the cities on rivers and lakes are the most compliant - probably because the receiving waters will be someone else's drinking water, whereas that isn't true on either coasts.

http://www.sierralegal.org/reports/sewage_grades_summary.pdf

Toronto - Toughest Sewer-Use Bylaw in country. Secondary treatment. Still
discharge 9.9 billion litres of untreated sewage and run-off. 1999: C/B 2004: B-

Montreal - Primary treatment only. No discernible progress made. 1999: F+ 2004: F

Vancouver - Up to 22 billion litres of combined overflows each year. Upgrades to
100% secondary treatment won't be completed until 2030. 1999: C- 2004: D

Calgary - UV disinfection added to 100% tertiary treatment. Additional upgrades in
the works ($250 million). 1999: A 2004: A+

Edmonton - Upgraded to 100% tertiary treatment and UV disinfection 1999: B+ 2004: A

Saint John - Reduction in combined sewers. Primary and secondary treatment.
Almost 40% of population still does not receive treatment. 1999:E 2004: D

St. John’s - More than 33 billion litres of raw sewage discharged. Primary sewage
treatment plant under construction. 1999: F- 2004: E

Charlottetown - Primary treatment only. Volume of discharges not monitored. Plans to
upgrade to secondary by 2006. 1999: E 2004: E+

Halifax - More than 65 billion litres of raw sewage discharged each year. Regional
plants provide secondary or tertiary treatment. 1999: E-/C 2004: D

Victoria - Preliminary screening, no treatment. More than 34 billion litres of raw
sewage still discharged each year. 1999: F- 2004: Suspended

Whistler - 100% tertiary treatment. 2004: A

i've lived in Edmonton all my life but personally i just love Toronto. i really have no way to explain it, the place just appeals to me

^Well only if it's in an area that can "handle it", and the population isn't too big, and lacks major industrial pollutants. It's hardly environmentally friendly to dump raw sewage, but if it isn't causing harm, the immense cost to construct a sewage treatment facility is hardly justifiable. Besides if it was causing any harm the Department of Fisheries and Oceans would step in, wouldn't they?


That's a very poor excuse.

Wow, a thread dedicated to bashing Toronto. What a great way to encourage Toronto forumers back to SSC. :rolleyes:

That's a very poor excuse.

How so?

Of course it's a stupid excuse. That's like saying it's ok to pump waste into the air from an isolated location, where there is not a lot of other polluters.

The point is not to pollute period...not whether there are a big enough group of polluters in one area to result in a certain amount of environmental damage. It all adds up....what would happen if everybody took that attitude?






KGB

I think you guys should study the circumstances a little closer, as it's not as black and white as you may think. Much of the pollution abatement in Victoria is point source, or eliminating toxins at their source, and not at the end of pipe. This results in mostly water, with human waste at the outfalls. This is not as harmful as industrial pollutants, yes it should eventually be treated, but it's not as high of an environmental priority here as some other issues. Stormwater management is probably more of an environmental issue here than sewage treatment.

How so?

Because it does cause harm...a small population (or even a lack of one) is irrelevant.

Hey...you know what...why should I bother sorting my garbage...recycling, or any other environmentally friendly practice...it would make no dicernable difference.






KGB

So I guess it is as black and white as you say. You sure showed me.

Toronto is a good looking city, but the people who live there need an attitude makeover.
Love Toronto, hate Torontonians.

Toronto is the one city that has not been very good to me. I have had some good times there, but I have run into A LOT of "bitchy" or rude and sometimes stupid people, or homeless. Not to mention some of the oddest things have happened to me there, I got lost @ Canada's Wonderland, I was having a hell of a time figuring out how the subway worked, I found myself and a few friends unintentionally in a gay restaurant (lol). I guess that's what can happen to a small-town Ontario like me. Last time I did anything there was about 19 months ago, when I saw Mamma Mia!, which wasn't too bad, the actors were darn good, although not my type of play, but impressed with the actors, as they do try their best. :) I don't know, I always seem to have better luck in BLUE collar cities or American cities than White collar or Canadian cities. So I still really don't like it all that much, and kind of "scared" of it.

Come to think of it, Ottawa hasn't been good to me either.

I was having a hell of a time figuring out how the subway worked

Dude no offence but we've only got what 4 Subway lines running .. its that easy!!

Anyways back to the topic,

Toronto's a great place, the only problem is the job factor .. its very hard to find a "Decent" job over here. But then again, doesnt this happen in alot of Big cities?

But look at the weather! Its +2 today!!!! :D ;)

I guess the responses here show that the article is right that most people do hate Toronto after all.

Love Toronto, hate Torontonians.

Interesting. Over at ut.com, there was a thread about cities people liked and hated. And a lot said the same thing about vancouver and its citzens.

My problem is with some of the hicks in Canada, primarily, western Canada (except Albertians). It happens maybe every half year I am hanging with some other CDNs, and everything is fine, until some of my mutual friends friends find out I was from Toronto, and its like idiot hour starts. They have to make it their point to tell everyone at the bar, or wherever how TOers are this and that. Very amatuerish, it makes all CDNs look stupid. I am embarassed for him, me, and Canada.

The most funny thing thing with CDNs I find are Vancouverites. I find when I meet them, and its like, oh, you were from Canada to (trying to be friendly) there like, oh, Toronto is so ugly, I need to be in a place that is nice, like the mountains in Vancouver. Oh, but uh, NY is different, cause of uh, the ocean, or something stupid like that. If I have every heard people so self involved its not even funny.

I tend to like people from out east, Quebecors, and especially maritimers. They tend to be very content and extremely nice. When I lived in the carribean and there were tons of CDNs from all over working down there, I found it very comfortable to hang out with Torontoians (very few were there), Quebecors, and Maritimers. After a while, we distance ourselves from most westerns, just a differnt attitude/borringness/cheapness. Didn't mind the yanks, or aussies, or NZleders, or irish.

But those are just my experiences. I'm not copping them off as truths, or cause I've experienced it, it must be true. When I meet other CDNs expats, I tend to try and socialize or converse since we share a common bond being the old mother country (I don't hold any grudges). Can talk about hockey or the crappy exchange rates, and what exchange rates we left at. But, for me, some people from certian regional areas ....

This feeling against Toronto is a lot stronger than this 'Toronto attitude' bull crap.

The most funny thing thing with CDNs I find are Vancouverites. I find when I meet them, and its like, oh, you were from Canada to (trying to be friendly) there like, oh, Toronto is so ugly, I need to be in a place that is nice, like the mountains in Vancouver. Oh, but uh, NY is different, cause of uh, the ocean, or something stupid like that. If I have every heard people so self involved its not even funny.

Vancouverites are definitely the worst in this respect. I have been to Vancouver a few times, and it seems they insist you complement on how nice there city is, if you dont they will for do it for you. Its really quite silly.

"So I guess it is as black and white as you say. You sure showed me."


Well, let's just say that if a city's waste management policy is to just dump it directly into the ocean because they don't seem to think it hurts anything, then I would say it's pretty much a black and white case of neglegence in terms of doing what we can to minimize the impact of waste in the environment.

It's not just stupid...it's downright contemptable.






KGB

The most funny thing thing with CDNs I find are Vancouverites.
After a while, we distance ourselves from most westerns, just a differnt attitude/borringness/cheapness.


If Vancouver were a girl, she's a beautiful girl. Please don't hate her because she's beautiful. You can't blame her because of her attitude, it's a natural thing to feel better if you're attractive. You are welcome to admire her, but don't get too jealous.
If Toronto were a girl, she's an overweight girl with snobbish/uptight/better than anybody attitude. We don't hate that kind of girl, but please be more humble. Admiration doesn't come easily if you're not attractive.

I would characterize Toronto as the tall, slender one and Vancouver as the short and stubby one. :D

If Vancouver were a girl, she's a beautiful girl. Please don't hate her because she's beautiful. You can't blame her because of her attitude, it's a natural thing to feel better if you're attractive. You are welcome to admire her, but don't get too jealous.
If Toronto were a girl, she's an overweight girl with snobbish/uptight/better than anybody attitude. We don't hate that kind of girl, but please be more humble. Admiration doesn't come easily if you're not attractive.

you're delusional.

If Vancouver were a girl, she's a beautiful girl. Please don't hate her because she's beautiful. You can't blame her because of her attitude, it's a natural thing to feel better if you're attractive. You are welcome to admire her, but don't get too jealous.
If Toronto were a girl, she's an overweight girl with snobbish/uptight/better than anybody attitude. We don't hate that kind of girl, but please be more humble. Admiration doesn't come easily if you're not attractive.

lol, Where did you get that from?

you're delusional.

Hey! The thread says 'Non-Torontonians only' :whisper: :weird: :crazy2: :booze: :laugh: :jk:

I'm not one to get into a pissing contest. To what end is this going? Obviously there are some Torontonians who hate the West, Vancouver to be specific. I have no problem with that. That doesn't change my view - I love my city.

For you Torontonians, I feel your pain. It's never a nice thing to have your city :bash: .

If Vancouver were a girl, she's a beautiful girl. Please don't hate her because she's beautiful. You can't blame her because of her attitude, it's a natural thing to feel better if you're attractive. You are welcome to admire her, but don't get too jealous.
If Toronto were a girl, she's an overweight girl with snobbish/uptight/better than anybody attitude. We don't hate that kind of girl, but please be more humble. Admiration doesn't come easily if you're not attractive.


And this is exactly what I mean, thanks for proving my point. Vancouverite = "Vancouver is some magical land, while Toronto is ...". Hence, self-involved. The general public of Toronto doesn't sell Toronto as being the best place on earth, while Vancouverites, on the other hand ..

Talk about a melting pot of attitude. You can bad talk TO all you want, it really just shows how much you feel that you are in its shadows.

Sometimes I can't resist.

Roch5220 - They are just words. It's all in good fun I'm sure. You might want to talk to your GP about getting something for anxiety. ;)

Oh, and I'd like to add something...

Leafs suck! :)

Sometimes I can't resist.

Roch5220 - They are just words. It's all in good fun I'm sure. You might want to talk to your GP about getting something for anxiety. ;)

Oh, and I'd like to add something...

Leafs suck! :)

Actually, I don't mind what people say. I was just making observations regarding my experiences with certian people from certian regions where they are consistent. Can you believe it that this forum, is actually my every so often during the day break from my 70 hr work weeks (I only post when I'm at work, which is actually almost all the time these days) :)

Leafs suck? Thats ok, I have adopted the Rangers (which are worse) as well as other Regional teams that I would have gotten decent coverage on (Islanders and Devils) if it wern't for the strike. Its crappy, would have been one of my few excuses to leave work early to go to MSG with one of work buddies from MTL. Too bad for me.

And this is exactly what I mean, thanks for proving my point. Vancouverite = "Vancouver is some magical land, while Toronto is ...". Hence, self-involved. The general public of Toronto doesn't sell Toronto as being the best place on earth, while Vancouverites, on the other hand ..

Talk about a melting pot of attitude. You can bad talk TO all you want, it really just shows how much you feel that you are in its shadows.

LOL..., Thanks for proving my point that Torontonians are always uptight.
Chill out dude. Relax a little bit. You guys must don't know the meaning of laid back, eh?
I used to live in TO when I went to school over there. OMG, I didn't enjoy any moment while I was there. People were so rude and uptight, and they talked too much. You, my friend, refreshed my memory again about Torontonians ;)
Cheers :)

It's fairly obvious that once they get talking, Vancouverites and Torontonians have an attitude problem with each other. That's what happens when the two most arrogant places in Canada with the biggest egos without a communication barrier get together. It probably shouldn't come as a surprise, but recognizing it is critical to ease frictions. :love:

LOL..., Thanks for proving my point that Torontonians are always uptight.
Chill out dude. Relax a little bit. You guys must don't know the meaning of laid back, eh?
I used to live in TO when I went to school over there. OMG, I didn't enjoy any moment while I was there. People were so rude and uptight, and they talked too much. You, my friend, refreshed my memory again about Torontonians ;)
Cheers :)

Well obviously you have a problem with bigger cities, cause it gets worse the bigger the city. Vancity people though are laid back. I think its a west coast thing, which definately might add some years to your life.

Well obviously you have a problem with bigger cities, cause it gets worse the bigger the city. Vancity people though are laid back. I think its a west coast thing, which definately might add some years to your life.

Lol..
So you agree, right? Vancouver is better in some ways than Toronto because we're healthier, fitter, happier, and have more years in life expectancy ;)
Cheers :)

I agree Vancouver would be the georgeous ond Toronto more plain BUT....the Vancouver girl wouldn't know how to dress, would be horribly parochial, insecure, and above all in bed by 9pm.
Vancouver is a wonderful city if you love the outdoors but it has little to offer as a city itself. Oh, by the way plain Toronto girl did you hear the BIG news in Vancouver?....CAT'S came to town last year.......Vancouver's cultural amenities are just abounding.
The pretty girl gets to sit on the Starbucks alk day and drink coffee while all you plain Janer's have to go shopping and eating in INTERSTING area that aren't gentrified, and have to go thru galleries, museums, theatre, and festivals in the world's most cosmopolitan city.
I'm the pretty girl, I get to walk the seawall for the 10th time this week and sit another Starbucks { we don't have INTERSTING small cafe's.........only chains for us}, and go to bed at 9. So I can do it again tommorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that ..........

I agree Vancouver would be the georgeous ond Toronto more plain BUT....the Vancouver girl wouldn't know how to dress, would be horribly parochial, insecure, and above all in bed by 9pm.
Vancouver is a wonderful city if you love the outdoors but it has little to offer as a city itself. Oh, by the way plain Toronto girl did you hear the BIG news in Vancouver?....CAT'S came to town last year.......Vancouver's cultural amenities are just abounding.
The pretty girl gets to sit on the Starbucks alk day and drink coffee while all you plain Janer's have to go shopping and eating in INTERSTING area that aren't gentrified, and have to go thru galleries, museums, theatre, and festivals in the world's most cosmopolitan city.
I'm the pretty girl, I get to walk the seawall for the 10th time this week and sit another Starbucks { we don't have INTERSTING small cafe's.........only chains for us}, and go to bed at 9. So I can do it again tommorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that ..........

I didn't know that Saltspring Island is in Toronto. How's the weather buddy? Do you enjoy it?

Vancouverites are definitely the worst in this respect. I have been to Vancouver a few times, and it seems they insist you complement on how nice there city is, if you dont they will for do it for you. Its really quite silly.

Wow that is so true and you summed it up so neatly.

Interesting. Over at ut.com, there was a thread about cities people liked and hated. And a lot said the same thing about vancouver and its citzens.

My problem is with some of the hicks in Canada, primarily, western Canada (except Albertians). It happens maybe every half year I am hanging with some other CDNs, and everything is fine, until some of my mutual friends friends find out I was from Toronto, and its like idiot hour starts. They have to make it their point to tell everyone at the bar, or wherever how TOers are this and that. Very amatuerish, it makes all CDNs look stupid. I am embarassed for him, me, and Canada.

The most funny thing thing with CDNs I find are Vancouverites. I find when I meet them, and its like, oh, you were from Canada to (trying to be friendly) there like, oh, Toronto is so ugly, I need to be in a place that is nice, like the mountains in Vancouver. Oh, but uh, NY is different, cause of uh, the ocean, or something stupid like that. If I have every heard people so self involved its not even funny.

I tend to like people from out east, Quebecors, and especially maritimers. They tend to be very content and extremely nice. When I lived in the carribean and there were tons of CDNs from all over working down there, I found it very comfortable to hang out with Torontoians (very few were there), Quebecors, and Maritimers. After a while, we distance ourselves from most westerns, just a differnt attitude/borringness/cheapness. Didn't mind the yanks, or aussies, or NZleders, or irish.

But those are just my experiences. I'm not copping them off as truths, or cause I've experienced it, it must be true. When I meet other CDNs expats, I tend to try and socialize or converse since we share a common bond being the old mother country (I don't hold any grudges). Can talk about hockey or the crappy exchange rates, and what exchange rates we left at. But, for me, some people from certian regional areas ....

This feeling against Toronto is a lot stronger than this 'Toronto attitude' bull crap.

Yeah, whenever I go back to Europe there is more than a few instances where I hear from people there how Canada must be a stuck up place full of tight assed people.

I always get pissed at that and inquire about where that impression comes from. It usually turns out that some person from BC is at some point in their company and does nothing but complain about the place and list all the ways Vancouver is better.

I actually am embarrassed often by the conduct abroad of Canadians from certain parts of the country and often find myself hearing heart warming stories about Maritimers.

I agree Vancouver would be the georgeous ond Toronto more plain BUT....the Vancouver girl wouldn't know how to dress, would be horribly parochial, insecure, and above all in bed by 9pm.
Vancouver is a wonderful city if you love the outdoors but it has little to offer as a city itself. Oh, by the way plain Toronto girl did you hear the BIG news in Vancouver?....CAT'S came to town last year.......Vancouver's cultural amenities are just abounding.
The pretty girl gets to sit on the Starbucks alk day and drink coffee while all you plain Janer's have to go shopping and eating in INTERSTING area that aren't gentrified, and have to go thru galleries, museums, theatre, and festivals in the world's most cosmopolitan city.
I'm the pretty girl, I get to walk the seawall for the 10th time this week and sit another Starbucks { we don't have INTERSTING small cafe's.........only chains for us}, and go to bed at 9. So I can do it again tommorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that ..........

world's most cosmopolitan city

If your referring to Toronto as the worlds most cosmopolitan city then... :hilarious:

From dictionary.com

Cosmopolitan: Having constituent elements from all over the world or from many different parts of the world

Toronto is the world's most cosmopolitan city? Doesn't seem far-fatched all.

Ah screw it I am from Vancouver, grew up in Toronto, live in Waterloo and I love Toronto. Why Toronto is great and if it's not your cup of tea that great. Toronto people are not snobs. You see anyone on this forum from Toronto walking down the street, they would not be nearly as arrogent towards the rest of Canada, and so pro Toronto. This forum brings out the worst in Toronto people. I try not to talk Toronto up, but some of you forumers from other Vancouver are way to rude towards Toronto. It's not that you defend Vancouver, thats cool do it. It's just it seems by trying to prove how great Vancouver is, you need to bash Toronto or another Canadian city to do it.

That's the real difference between Vancouver and Toronto. Maybe on this forum Toronto forumers bash other cities to make Toronto feel superior, but in real life Vancouver always needs to do this, Toronto could care less.

My rant for the day. I bet it does not make sense either.

As an American, I don't hate Toronto, I think it is a great city. I'm not sure what that article said this thread was based on because I am not registered, but I assume their may be a lot of jealousy of the place in Canada?

That said, I will admit to being a little annoyed by some Toronto forumers who make it out to be heaven, but then again this is SSC and you have to look past that.

:bash:

I thought this thread is for NON-TORONTONIANS ONLY.
hmm..., thanks for proving that Torontonians are :weirdo:
:hilarious

^Who are you refering to? I'm not from Toronto, don't live in Toronto, and don't plan on living in Toronto anytime in the near future.

From dictionary.com

Cosmopolitan: Having constituent elements from all over the world or from many different parts of the world

Toronto is the world's most cosmopolitan city? Doesn't seem far-fatched all.

There are many cities that fit that definition. I doubt anyone gives Toronto a thought around the world.

There are many cities that fit that definition.

Yes there are, and Toronto is near the top end of the list.

I doubt anyone gives Toronto a thought around the world.

What does this have to do with anything?

:bash:

I thought this thread is for NON-TORONTONIANS ONLY.
hmm..., thanks for proving that Torontonians are :weirdo:
:hilarious

Way to dictate who can or cannot reply to a thread in a public forum YOU DO NOT OWN.

Toronto SUCKS!

^ meh, could be worse. Not to name names.

Technically, I don't live in Toronto either.

I agree, Toronto SUCKS... but we do have the nicest Canadian Tire in the country:


http://img222.exs.cx/img222/5392/image556bz.jpg

Lol..
So you agree, right? Vancouver is better in some ways than Toronto because we're healthier, fitter, happier, and have more years in life expectancy ;)
Cheers :)


Prove it.

Life expectancy between the two is virtually identical.

Life Expectancy (http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/health26.htm)

I hate Toronto.

Yeah, Toronto is teh suck!.

Sorry, I've loved it since day one so I had to try saying that on for size. I feel strangely more Canadian now. heh

I agree Vancouver would be the georgeous ond Toronto more plain BUT....the Vancouver girl wouldn't know how to dress, would be horribly parochial, insecure, and above all in bed by 9pm.

Maybe your horribly insecure and in bed by 9pm. The people I know in Vancouver definatly arent.

I'm the pretty girl, I get to walk the seawall for the 10th time this week and sit another Starbucks { we don't have INTERSTING small cafe's.........only chains for us}, and go to bed at 9. So I can do it again tommorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that ..........

You know, life is what you make of it, and since thats all you think there is to do in Vancouver you must be a very sheltered person.

The fact that you think Vancouver is nothing but generification and Starbucks is the funniest thing i've read all day. Have you ever actually taken a step outside of the touristy, mainstream areas of the city? The real neighbourhoods of Vancouver, districts like Main, Cambie & Commercial Drive are nothing but funky independent cafe's, shops, and restaurants that line the streets for blocks. You'd be hard-pressed to find any major chain stores on any of Vancouver's commerical arterials such as these. This is the very thing that gives Vancouver is unique character, not Starbucks and Robson street, apparently the only Vancouver you know.

It's kinda unfortunate we have people like you on these boards who don't really know much about what their talking about, and they mis-represent a city. Then when people from around the world view it, they get the wrong impression. Why not leave the commentary on "what is" Vancouver to people who live here.

"The real neighbourhoods of Vancouver, districts like Main, Cambie & Commercial Drive are nothing but funky independent cafe's, shops, and restaurants that line the streets for blocks. You'd be hard-pressed to find any major chain stores on any of Vancouver's commerical arterials such as these. This is the very thing that gives Vancouver is unique character"


I find Vancouver has very little of that sort of thing, and a lot of the independent stuff is very similar to the chain versions. It does have a bit of the avante guarde, but it's very little. I mean, the 14 kms of Queen St could take on the entire country west of Oakville in that catagory...let alone all the other interesting streets in the city. You really have to go to either Montreal or Toronto to get this kind of thing in full force.






KGB

Actually, I think I'll choose Paris. :D

Coffee... :| What's next? Who has more McDonald's per square mile? I hope it's not us. :lol:

Prove it.

Life expectancy between the two is virtually identical.

Life Expectancy (http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/health26.htm)

Dude, that link is from 1991 survey. It's outdated.

The Fattest large city (> 1 million) in Canada (from Statistics Canada):
1) Toronto 45.6% of population overweight
2) Calgary 45.2%
3) Ottawa-Hull 44.6%
4) Montreal 40.3%
5) Vancouver 32.6%

Yes, Vancouverites are pretty fit and healthy. We're proud of it.
Fit + Healthy = Higher life expectancy in the future.
Congratulations to Toronto for the award of the fattest large city in Canada. :applause:

I would like to accept this award on behalf of all the fat Torontonians. It took a lot of donuts and pizza but we did it.

Our fat waistlines help us to cope with the cold, inhospitable climate of Toronto. You Vancouverites live in a utopian tropical paradise where it is sunny and warm year round so you don’t need the extra insulation.

^ Thank god they have Wi-Fi in donut shops eh.

Dude, that link is from 1991 survey. It's outdated.

The Fattest large city (> 1 million) in Canada (from Statistics Canada):
1) Toronto 45.6% of population overweight
2) Calgary 45.2%
3) Ottawa-Hull 44.6%
4) Montreal 40.3%
5) Vancouver 32.6%

Yes, Vancouverites are pretty fit and healthy. We're proud of it.
Fit + Healthy = Higher life expectancy in the future.
Congratulations to Toronto for the award of the fattest large city in Canada. :applause:

Toronto has virtually the same life expectancy as Vancouver; 80.8 years, compared to 80.9 for Vancouver.

It has the lowest rate of heavy drinking, with Vancouver and Montreal coming in 2nd and 3rd. A lower depression rate than Vancouver.

On top of that, the percentage of obese from 20-64 is just barely higher than Montreal at the bottom third of the list. Edmonton, Calgary, Hamilton, etc. all have a higher rate.

In other words, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Perhaps "heaven on earth" isn't the fantasyland you imagine it to be...

Health of Canadian CMAs (http://www.statcan.ca/english/research/89-613-MIE/2004002/89-613-MIE2004002.pdf)

I would like to accept this award on behalf of all the fat Torontonians. It took a lot of donuts and pizza but we did it.

Our fat waistlines help us to cope with the cold, inhospitable climate of Toronto. You Vancouverites live in a utopian tropical paradise where it is sunny and warm year round so you don’t need the extra insulation.


lol

It's kinda unfortunate we have people like you on these boards who don't really know much about what their talking about, and they mis-represent a city. Then when people from around the world view it, they get the wrong impression.

LOL

That describes you perfectly!

^No kidding!!

I've stayed away from this one long enough but here is what I think as someone who is not from Canada but has lived here now for a good portion of my life.

Toronto has become a dumping ground for the rest of Canada's frustrations, irrational hate, depression and blame. This is pretty sad and well..... silly as Toronto does not factor into the everyday lives of Canadians who do not live there. Infact, it really doesnt factor into their lives at all.

It is often said that Torontonians view Toronto as the center of the universe. Perhaps they view Toronto as the center of their universe as it has an impact on their daily lives. Also, perhaps the label of "center of the universe" is applied by people not from Toronto not just through the opinions of Torontonians but by the opinions of non-Torontonians who themselves levy the title on the city. This is foolish because it would mean this "center of the universe" mentality does not even come from Toronto.

Canadians need to face up to the fact that they for the mostpart have no idea what Toronto is all about or what the daily lives of Torontonians is all about. For some, it would be a commute on the subway to the FD downtown. For some one like me it would include getting up early to take my golden retriver down to the park for a walk before going to my day job on the TTC and then going home and getting ready for my part time job as well as looking after the dog before I leave. (I'm just to greedy to have one job ;) )

Toronto is many things to many people but it appears as if the people who know/understand it the least are the ones who are fastest to critizise it, its people and damned near everything about it. I would label anybody like that ignorant but that is just an opinion.

^ As a non-Canadian myself, I really don't understand this Toronto hatred. Those who do love the city seem like they have to justify their response. This is very bizarre.

BTW, anyone ever see the chicks in Vancouver? YAWN. They all look like clones. It's quite nauseating actually.

^Yeah I don't get it either.

I wouldn't go that far with the women though. ;)

^Yeah I don't get it either.



Yeah, I don't get it either.
I don't know why Torontonians always feel insecure about themselves. They always make stupid or nasty comments to people from outside Toronto.
If they know that they feel good about themselves and they know that there's nothing to argue that Toronto is the best; they don't have to make any comments about other people opinions.
Let other people express their opinions freely if they think that they feel secure with Toronto.
It seems that people from Toronto have to justify any comments against them to make them feel secure about themselves.
Toronto looks strong from far away, but weak and fragile inside.
Just to remind again, this thread is for NON-TORONTONIANS ONLY. Let's see if Torontonians will make any comments from my opinion. It just shows that they're so insecure about themselves.

Whats with the "its only my opinion" crap...If i were to say, Vancouver is an absolute hell hole, only morons would want to live in that lifeless pit, but thats just my opinion. Do you not think you would respond??. It doesnt matter which city you criticize on this forum no one is "secure" enough to accept it, thats just the way it is.

I ..feel insecure .

Thats what your posts should be saying about your feelings on vancouver. I'm pretty sure Vancouver 'feels secure', its just you who doesnt.

why else would you have "slice of heaven on earth" in your aviator, your name assoicated with Vancouver, and a pic of Vancouver. Like anyone takes you seriously.

"slice of heaven on earth" in your aviator

I says pardon?

he, changed it in the last couple of mins. I cut and paste. And changed the pic. He didn't realize before it was that obvious before.

:rofl:
Chill out, relax.
You Torontonians need to be relaxed a little bit. Why don't we enjoy the life? like in Vancouver, you can walk/jog/rollerblading/skiing/sailing to refresh your mind in any seasons.
Perhaps the cold snowy winter/hot humid summer in Toronto has made a big impact on your emotional ability to cope with other people opinions.
:weird:

PS: It's a beautiful day in the West, 14C and sunny. Let's enjoy the day, shall we? :wave:

Yeah, I don't get it either.
I don't know why Torontonians always feel insecure about themselves. They always make stupid or nasty comments to people from outside Toronto.
If they know that they feel good about themselves and they know that there's nothing to argue that Toronto is the best; they don't have to make any comments about other people opinions.
Let other people express their opinions freely if they think that they feel secure with Toronto.
It seems that people from Toronto have to justify any comments against them to make them feel secure about themselves.
Toronto looks strong from far away, but weak and fragile inside.
Just to remind again, this thread is for NON-TORONTONIANS ONLY. Let's see if Torontonians will make any comments from my opinion. It just shows that they're so insecure about themselves.


The "insecurity" argument is generally the escape route of choice for those who can't back up what they say when it comes to Toronto.

:rofl:
Chill out, relax.
You Torontonians need to be relaxed a little bit. Why don't we enjoy the life? like in Vancouver, you can walk/jog/rollerblading/skiing/sailing to refresh your mind in any seasons.
Perhaps the cold snowy winter/hot humid summer in Toronto has made a big impact on your emotional ability to cope with other people opinions.
:weird:

PS: It's a beautiful day in the West, 14C and sunny. Let's enjoy the day, shall we? :wave:

Im starting to think "heaven" is located in a mental care institution of some kind.

:
PS: It's a beautiful day in the West, 14C and sunny. Let's enjoy the day, shall we? :wave:

It hit 50c in Manhattan.

"why else would you have "slice of heaven on earth" in your aviator, your name assoicated with Vancouver, and a pic of Vancouver. Like anyone takes you seriously."


Because he's probably around puberty. Isn't your detector working today?





KGB

How come no one ever picks on Moose Jaw? It's always bash Toronto and Vancouver.

I don't hate Toronto.

I don't like Toronto.

It is pretty much irrelevant to me.

I just consider it another 5 million plus North American metro along with Philadelphia, Boston, Dallas or Atlanta.

Nothing more, nothing less.

You'd group it with Dallas and Atlanta? Ok well they have pretty much nothing in common with Toronto.

How come no one ever picks on Moose Jaw? It's always bash Toronto and Vancouver.
I've never been to Moose Jaw. Never been to Toronto either. :) I must say Moose Jaw has one of the best names for a town. That along with Vulcan. The residents must be proud.

I just consider it another 5 million plus North American metro along with Philadelphia, Boston, Dallas or Atlanta.
I think that is a little harsh. It's a good attempt at reigniting this thread though. :ohno:

You'd group it with Dallas and Atlanta? Ok well they have pretty much nothing in common with Toronto.


It's definatley closer to Philadephia and Boston.

Nonetheless, the Metroplex and the Greater Atlanta areas are similar in population to Toronto as well. I would group Toronto with these two cities over a city twice Toronto's size(like Chicago) anyday.

^Actually, the greater Toronto area (not CMA) and not the Golden horseshoe would be higher than 5 million. Don't know exactly though as the boundaries are a little fuzzy on what they include. The funny think is that you include DallasFortworth area, which is similar situation to the HamiltonTorontoOshawa area (one big continious sprawl). From satelite photos that have been posted lots of times, its one big brown area, and not only are they contious, the region acts like one through commutting pattern and businesses treating it as one economic theatre. But most people don't beleive because (a), they've never been through the area (why would they visit Burlington/Hamilton etc., no reasons unless they have relatives) and (b), CDN gov't posts them as different CMAs.

^In 2004 the GTA was approximately 5.75 million people without Hamilton (Hamilton Wentworth).

"I find Vancouver has very little of that sort of thing, and a lot of the independent stuff is very similar to the chain versions. It does have a bit of the avante guarde, but it's very little. I mean, the 14 kms of Queen St could take on the entire country west of Oakville in that catagory...let alone all the other interesting streets in the city. You really have to go to either Montreal or Toronto to get this kind of thing in full force."

You clearly haven't been to Vancouver, or just have a bad perception of what is independent. The stores along theses strips are as non-chain as you can get, seeing as they only have 1 location and cater to the furthest from mainstream market as you get in this country, Vancouver's exteremly left-wing demographic youth.

On the other hand there are endless local stores which cater to extremely right-wing wealthy conservatives of the west side. Do you think they would ever let a large chain store into their neigbourhood? I think not. They wont shop at anything less than their local produce mart, bakery, butcher etc. Go through point grey, dunbar, kerrsdale, it's all unique stores. It never ceases to amaze me how they all stay in business because they are places you have never heard of, all mom & pop types, lining basically every commercial street in Vancouver.

Queen street is basically another Granville Street as far as unique and idependent stores go. Its as mainstream as I've seen with the perception of being "hip". Hell MuchMusic is on it, give me a break. I've walked up there, and what I have found is many independant stores, however they are selling high-end labels, much like you find on Granville St. Anything vintage is over-priced and the store is definatly mainstream, look at the foot-traffic they get. They are cool places for kids in the suburbs to go to.

If you want to compare anything in Toronto to the unique character of a Vancouver neighbourhood it would be Kensington Market, which would compare to our Commercial Drive, but even then it doesnt compare. Commercial Drive is full of indie cafes, organic food stores, ethnic markets, vintage clothing and generally a lot more diverse crowd of people. Kensigton market is basically a bunch of second hand clothing stores run by immigrants and frequented by wanna-be hippies.

"On the other hand there are endless local stores which cater to extremely right-wing wealthy conservatives of the west side. Do you think they would ever let a large chain store into their neigbourhood? I think not. They wont shop at anything less than their local produce mart, bakery, butcher etc."


That's excactly what I'm talking about...what you call hip and indie...we call Bloor West Village.








"Queen street is basically another Granville Street as far as unique and idependent stores go. Its as mainstream as I've seen with the perception of being "hip". Hell MuchMusic is on it, give me a break."


Obviously have never been beyond University and Spadina...Queen st is 14 kms long. And at least we have the real CityTv...not that copy you have.







"Kensigton market is basically a bunch of second hand clothing stores run by immigrants and frequented by wanna-be hippies."

Any wannabes you see are just the runaway Vancouverites looking to get out of their little burg for some excitement in the Big Smoke!!!

When will you little miserable Vancouverites ever give up on your ankle-biting whining about Toronto?






KGB

Obviously have never been beyond University and Spadina...Queen st is 14 kms long. And at least we have the real CityTv...not that copy you have.

lol, oooooo the REAL CityTV. As if I would watch that budget station anyways. That makes Toronto better though, that you had it first. Lets see, how many things have originated in Vancouver first in Canada and then copied by Toronto. Oh just about everything from Mobile Phones (first introduced by BC tel in Canada back in the 80's) to the internet.

Any wannabes you see are just the runaway Vancouverites looking to get out of their little burg for some excitement in the Big Smoke!!!

Actually its the opposite,lol shows what you know. Talk to half of the kids here, they left to escape Toronto. I know your really clueless on anything that a book or website hasnt taught you, but hippies generally are against places like "The big smoke" as they are complete socialists.

If you are reading all this information in the same book that seems to be telling you that BC's economy is bigger than Ontario's...I suggest going to another library. LOL!!






KGB

Any wannabes you see are just the runaway Vancouverites looking to get out of their little burg for some excitement in the Big Smoke!!!

Bahahahahaha! Looks like its the other way around, when i go to GM Place for a Canucks/Leafs game, all there is are Maple Leafs fans who mysteriously ran away from the so called "excitement" and moved here.

Sukh there is Leaf fans everywhere...When the Leafs have road games you can expect alot of Leaf fans at these games, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Tampa Bay, Florida(Panthers), Buffalo, Carolina, Atlanta. All for various reasons but its not unique to Vancouver. Its usually people on vacation, or since they are such an old franchise there grandparents liked the Leafs and it has been passed on to them.

Kensigton market is basically a bunch of second hand clothing stores run by immigrants and frequented by wanna-be hippies.


Wow...you're really clueless!

If you are reading all this information in the same book that seems to be telling you that BC's economy is bigger than Ontario's...I suggest going to another library. LOL!!

No you see, this sort of thing doesnt come from a book. I actually have a life and meet people, many who have left Ontario to come here because Vancouver is where its at. Get in touch with reality! Even when I left for a year to go live in Ontario everyone thought I was crazy for leaving here. Everyone I met wanted to eventually make it out west. Its the general concensus, except for the few exceptions of people like you.

If you want to compare anything in Toronto to the unique character of a Vancouver neighbourhood it would be Kensington Market, which would compare to our Commercial Drive, but even then it doesnt compare. Commercial Drive is full of indie cafes, organic food stores, ethnic markets, vintage clothing and generally a lot more diverse crowd of people. Kensigton market is basically a bunch of second hand clothing stores run by immigrants and frequented by wanna-be hippies.
Commercial Drive (I have friends who live on East Broadway off Commercial who I visit on occasion), sorry to say, is pretty much a typical Toronto commercial street. To compare it with Kensington Market is ridiculous.

Actually its the opposite,lol shows what you know. Talk to half of the kids here, they left to escape Toronto. I know your really clueless on anything that a book or website hasnt taught you, but hippies generally are against places like "The big smoke" as they are complete socialists[...]
No you see, this sort of thing doesnt come from a book. I actually have a life and meet people, many who have left Ontario to come here because Vancouver is where its at. Get in touch with reality! Even when I left for a year to go live in Ontario everyone thought I was crazy for leaving here. Everyone I met wanted to eventually make it out west. Its the general concensus, except for the few exceptions of people like you.
My Vancouver friends were some of those Toronto area youth who "escaped" Toronto, but, so far as I know, not because they felt politically persecuted. They left in the early 90's when TO was in a nasty recession and Vancouver promised jobs. They got jobs, still have them, and still hope to return to Toronto some day. And from what I've frequently heard, when a Vancouverite discovers that you are from Toronto it's best to just stoke their civic pride and avoid the hassle of having to defend Toronto from western delusions. Works well I understand.

[...]hippies generally are against places like "The big smoke" as they are complete socialists.
Only hippies can be socialists?

Bahahahahaha!
Whenever I read your posts I become increasingly convinced that you live under a bridge or haunt someone's cellar.

No you see, this sort of thing doesnt come from a book. I actually have a life and meet people, many who have left Ontario to come here because Vancouver is where its at. Get in touch with reality! Even when I left for a year to go live in Ontario everyone thought I was crazy for leaving here. Everyone I met wanted to eventually make it out west. Its the general concensus, except for the few exceptions of people like you.


LOL :rofl:

I guess that would explain why Toronto is growing at a much faster rate than Vancouver...oh...wait...sorry. I forgot that you have a "reality" all your own.

What the heck are you guys talking about? That includes you Westcoast604.

Spare us the madness please!

Are you guys from Toronto can't read or totally idiot?
This thread is for NON-TORONTONIANS ONLY.
Why you guys have to spend time responding to what people say in this thread?
It's a freedom of expression for people outside Toronto.
If you guys are not childish or overact or mentally unstable, just sit there and enjoy the freedom of expression from people outside Toronto in this thread.
It's positive input anyways for people from Toronto to make them more humble.

Its only natural for Torontonians to defend thir city against people bashing it. Especially when some of the people have nary a clue of what their talking about.

Are you guys from Toronto can't read or totally idiot?
This thread is for NON-TORONTONIANS ONLY.
Why you guys have to spend time responding to what people say in this thread?
It's a freedom of expression for people outside Toronto.
If you guys are not childish or overact or mentally unstable, just sit there and enjoy the freedom of expression from people outside Toronto in this thread.
It's positive input anyways for people from Toronto to make them more humble.

:nuts:

I have a feeling van-tbird is just another alterego of that Toronto hating Vancouver loving benji45. Like benji45, he seems hell bent on bashing Toronto to bits and praising Vancouver as if that city is so damn perfect. And he also claims he is from an American city when in fact, he's probably some insecure kid in a Vancouver suburb...

And I am not from Toronto and I do not hate that city. I think Toronto is spectacular with a very diverse culture, a prominent skyline, lots of places to visit, lots of companies that are based there, and truly the economic engine and best city in all of Canada. That is something Vancouver will never ever come close too...

I guess that would explain why Toronto is growing at a much faster rate than Vancouver...oh...wait...sorry. I forgot that you have a "reality" all your own.

That doesn't make any difference. The young people i've met in Ontario, all want to move out west. It's as simple as that. Toronto is growing from immigration and young people further east from ther maritimes. I have friends from the maritimes too that have moved to Toronto, but they eventually want to make it to Vancouver. Toronto is just a stepping stone.

You have to rememeber i'm talking about preference here, not because of jobs. A lot of people move to Toronto because they get a job there, but it doesnt mean they want to live there. I know quite a few people from school who wanted jobs in Vancouver but settled for Toronto. So yes your population is growing more, but it doesnt mean thats where people really want to be going!

That doesn't make any difference. The young people i've met in Ontario, all want to move out west. It's as simple as that. Toronto is growing from immigration and young people further east from ther maritimes. I have friends from the maritimes too that have moved to Toronto, but they eventually want to make it to Vancouver. Toronto is just a stepping stone.

You have to rememeber i'm talking about preference here, not because of jobs. A lot of people move to Toronto because they get a job there, but it doesnt mean they want to live there. I know quite a few people from school who wanted jobs in Vancouver but settled for Toronto. So yes your population is growing more, but it doesnt mean thats where people really want to be going!


Of course it makes no difference...you're delusional. I know people who want to move to Vancouver...I also know people who have, and moved back because they didn't like it. I also know a lot of people who have no interest whatsoever in moving to Vancouver.

Perhaps you should take your Vancouver Goggles off. People probably tell you they all want to move to Vancovuer just to get you to stop going on about it.

Just because the city's setting is superior, doesnt mean the city itself is superior.

Just because the city's setting is superior, doesnt mean the city itself is superior.
That's true. For some people, setting is a huge deal though. Everyone likes different things. Some people prefer a very high skyline , lots of density, all the things that come with a big city. A bigger city does not make it better for all people though. People used to the big city life often can't stand smaller settings, and the reverse is true... that's part of the reason for all the agro here I suppose.

Please note I've never bashed Toronto once throughout this whole thread. If you are offended by anything I've said, then you took it the wrong way. :)

I love you Toronto. :hug:

"Vancouver is where its at"

Where what's at? For some people I suppose it is, but overall, Toronto is where it's at...in every department. But there's something everywhere...otherwise Toronto would contain the entire population of Canada...which it doesn't. So yes, there must be something in every other place.

Personally, i think everybody should travel and at least spend a little time in every region of the country. In fact, there should be a government-sponsered program to encourage this sort of thing. It's not like you should spend your whole life anywhere. Don't even limit it to Canada...go spend some time in LA...it's an interesting place...just make sure you leave. Everyone should spend some time in New York....just don't stay that long. It's a big world.






KGB

My family's home is in Toronto, so technically I am a Torontonian, but for the past 8 months, and probably the next 5 years, I'd live in Waterloo for school. And my first co-op term brings me to Belleville which is coming in a month. So maybe it would be interesting to hear my view...

Let me say, before moving into the university, I thought Toronto is almost everyhting. But after living here, I see the beauty of places outside GTA. I've never been to a town this small before, but I am liking it. Its a nice place to study in. I'd imagine I won't like the life at U of Toronto because its too city-like. So if you ask me, Toronto is probably not my perferrable place to study in. But in terms of convinence and materialism Toronto is definitely a lot better. Now, life is not only about materialism, and the fact that I'll be living in Belleville soon (population ~40,000), I think I'd like the change. I have never lived in a town so small before. I came from Hong Kong. Came to Toronto. When I came to TO, i thought TO is very peaceful and quiet, air quality is awesome. But when I come to Waterloo, I thought there's more things to life than city life. Now I am going to Belleville, I think i'd give me some spice to my life... experience something different that i am definitely going to enjoy. And finally be able to see how "rural" life is like... and finally be able to see the bad sides of Toronto, i.e. people are "cold" (not comparing to HK) but city life in general.

All in all, TO is a nice city to live in, not much going on comparing to cities like HK, but is it the best place in Canada? There's no "best-place" in anywhere becaue there's some form beauty that lies in different corner of not only Canada, but the world. Its a better of wheteher you can see that beauty or not. And I'd imagine moving out to small towns will let me see that.

Sukh there is Leaf fans everywhere...When the Leafs have road games you can expect alot of Leaf fans at these games, Montreal, Ottawa, Edmonton, Calgary, Vancouver, Tampa Bay, Florida(Panthers), Buffalo, Carolina, Atlanta. All for various reasons but its not unique to Vancouver. Its usually people on vacation, or since they are such an old franchise there grandparents liked the Leafs and it has been passed on to them.

Yes there is, along with Canadians fans as well, but its not coincidence that when the leafs visit the west coast, its twice a season usually, the leaf fans are there full fledged every time. I can understand them making the trip to Montreal or Ottawa, but 5000 leaf fans are not going to make the trip out to Vancouver. Some of those individuals were probably born in Vancouver and it just so happends the leafs are their favourite team, but there a lot that have moved here.

You could say the same thing about Calgary and Edmonton though.

That doesn't make any difference. The young people i've met in Ontario, all want to move out west. It's as simple as that. Toronto is growing from immigration and young people further east from ther maritimes. I have friends from the maritimes too that have moved to Toronto, but they eventually want to make it to Vancouver. Toronto is just a stepping stone.

You have to rememeber i'm talking about preference here, not because of jobs. A lot of people move to Toronto because they get a job there, but it doesnt mean they want to live there. I know quite a few people from school who wanted jobs in Vancouver but settled for Toronto. So yes your population is growing more, but it doesnt mean thats where people really want to be going!

Most Maritimers would live here if they could, but due to the economy are forced to move away. Usually they never want to have to leave here to work, but the sad fact of it is the economy is well.....crap. It's a pretty much a known fact that most Maritimers would move back home given the chance or never leave in the first place. The Maritimes is where these people want to live.

As for Toronto i've only been there a couple of times. Both times kind of sucked, but this was my fault for lack of planning. I've met snobby people from Toronto and I've met some of the nicest people in the world from Toronto. I don't hate the place, but I don't think I could ever live there only because of climate and location though.

I LOVE TORONTO.
ONE OF MY 3 FAVORITES CITIES IN THE WORLD.
I CAN ONLY SAY POSTIVE THINGS ABOUT TORONTO AND ITS PEOPLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE THERE.
GO TORONTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hey you know what, Phoenix and Houston are growing almost fast as Vancouver from net internal migration, I should be where the action is!

as you can see this kind of rationalization can be deceiving, there are tons of different factors that motivate migration, both New York and London lost population while cities like Phoenix grew by leaps and bounds.

Personally, i think everybody should travel and at least spend a little time in every region of the country. In fact, there should be a government-sponsered program to encourage this sort of thing. It's not like you should spend your whole life anywhere. Don't even limit it to Canada...go spend some time in LA...it's an interesting place...just make sure you leave. Everyone should spend some time in New York....just don't stay that long. It's a big world.

I have spent time in almost every major city and many small cities in Canada along with L.A & San Diego, so I have a lot to compare to when I say "Vancouver is where it's at". Its all preference of course.

^ Sure thing. My experience living on Mars at the Martian school of common sence says that anything is possible, just a click or two and your internet persona is customized to whatever you want.

That doesn't make any difference. The young people i've met in Ontario, all want to move out west. !


:hahaha:

Yeah, its out west is where they want to move.

1 - I have friends from the maritimes too that have moved to Toronto, but they eventually want to make it to Vancouver. Toronto is just a stepping stone.

2 - A lot of people move to Toronto because they get a job there, but it doesnt mean they want to live there.

3 - I know quite a few people from school who wanted jobs in Vancouver but settled for Toronto. .............

4 - So yes your population is growing more, but it doesnt mean thats where people really want to be going!

:hahaha:

Your just to quotable. After all this, you had me convinced in one of you other posts that BC was where the economy was

^ Thats hilarious!!

I have spent time in almost every major city and many small cities in Canada along with L.A & San Diego, so I have a lot to compare to when I say "Vancouver is where it's at". Its all preference of course.

Wow, that's a really massive basement you're living in!

I love Toronto...definately in my personal top 10!

Very nice city, but I know that Canada seems to hate Toronto though

how could you hate toronto? lol... i mean besides the bad air quality at times, its pretty awesome... i'd live their

I'm tired of all of this canadian city bashing...canada is great country and each city is entirely different from each other...which makes each city special...i cannot stand it when ppl dis out toronto strictly because of little things like traffic, and bums, etc.,etc,. vancouver is a great seaport city great looking waterfront and skyline...calgary also looks amazing...the beautiful skyscrapers with the abundance of green surrounding the downtown core...I WANNNA GO...and montreal looks so ritzy and the skyscrapers aren't that tall but the drive-by view on the highway looks stunning...and TORONTO is the hub of the entire nation..and every one is bashing it. Americans say that New Yorkers are jerks but at least the US is proud of their flagship city. I wish i could say the same about Canadians. Toronto is sickeningly neglected by both the provincial and federal government just because of hatred for the city. Even though there is no money, Toronto has been holdin it's own for a while. Canadians should be just proud to be canadian. I'm tired of this shyt. I believe that ppl dun really hate t.o.... i think it's those same haters that are simply afraid of change. CMON PPL..WHAT KIND OF THREAD THIS

who cares yes i'm from mississauga and i was raised in toronto...and i posted...UMMM retaliation anyone? and i apologize for the frqeeughrbgfgbfnmcnt TYPOS from the last post.

I LOVE TORONTO.
ONE OF MY 3 FAVORITES CITIES IN THE WORLD.
I CAN ONLY SAY POSTIVE THINGS ABOUT TORONTO AND ITS PEOPLE.
I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE THERE.
GO TORONTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

U love Toronto "uptight/boring" people? Pathetic :hilarious

Wow, that's a really massive basement you're living in!

HaHaHa

U love Toronto "uptight/boring" people? Pathetic :hilarious
Haven't you heard Vancouver? The friendliest place in Canada.
So the newspaper article is true...Canadians hate Torontonians...
If your so friendly then why do you constantly continue to bash Toronto?

Ok, let's close this thread, I no longer see the point of this.

I'm tired of all of this canadian city bashing...canada is great country and each city is entirely different from each other...which makes each city special...i cannot stand it when ppl dis out toronto strictly because of little things like traffic, and bums, etc.,etc,. vancouver is a great seaport city great looking waterfront and skyline...calgary also looks amazing...the beautiful skyscrapers with the abundance of green surrounding the downtown core...I WANNNA GO...and montreal looks so ritzy and the skyscrapers aren't that tall but the drive-by view on the highway looks stunning...and TORONTO is the hub of the entire nation..and every one is bashing it. Americans say that New Yorkers are jerks but at least the US is proud of their flagship city. I wish i could say the same about Canadians. Toronto is sickeningly neglected by both the provincial and federal government just because of hatred for the city. Even though there is no money, Toronto has been holdin it's own for a while. Canadians should be just proud to be canadian. I'm tired of this shyt. I believe that ppl dun really hate t.o.... i think it's those same haters that are simply afraid of change. CMON PPL..WHAT KIND OF THREAD THIS
I think the hate is out of jealousy or some sort of envy.

I think it is pathetic how people ridicule this article for suggesting that Canadians hate Toronto, and then they bash Toronto themselves.

Wow, that's a really massive basement you're living in!

What kind of comment is that? Shows your level of maturity. Maybe one day you will get out of Toronto and have some sort of clue as to what the world is like in real life and not what you read online. By the way I don't have a basement.

Wow, wouldn't it be AWESOME if mods actually existed in these regional forums?

What kind of comment is that? Shows your level of maturity. Maybe one day you will get out of Toronto and have some sort of clue as to what the world is like in real life and not what you read online. By the way I don't have a basement.


I think it is more indicative of your issues.

But you must be right. One can only be considered well travelled if they think Vancouver is the centre of the universe, the envy of all sentient life in the cosmos. I'm sure the final Star Wars prequel will take place in Vancouver...well...because that's where it's at! The Empire is just a stepping stone for Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader...he really wants to be in Vancouver.

Im so glad I'm finally becoming rational and open-minded...just like you.

in reply to JARdan:

yeah man..it could be jealousy but i don't wanna go that far and say that. Calgary is somewhat like toronto, commercially....i said "somewhat". we have to view Canada as a huge amusement park..you know...there are certain destinations that makes canada unique and you have to go all over to fully appeciate it...just like a park....or even a....ummmmm i'm not gonna go there...lol...but yo I LOVE TORONTO...what's wrong with that...You gotta represent where your from... if you like...Van City, it's cool. If you like Montreal, it's cool...there are EGO's from every city...and for people to say that Toronto is too egotistical...they are screwed...Torontonians might sound egotistical cuz they are proud....we are just trying to tell people like "yo, come to toronto, it's great"...it's true that some ppl might make it sound offensive by talking about their city..there are a few but i think that it's just their nature and it has nothing to do with toronto.

in reply to JARdan:

yeah man..it could be jealousy but i don't wanna go that far and say that. Calgary is somewhat like toronto, commercially....i said "somewhat". we have to view Canada as a huge amusement park..you know...there are certain destinations that makes canada unique and you have to go all over to fully appeciate it...just like a park....or even a....ummmmm i'm not gonna go there...lol...but yo I LOVE TORONTO...what's wrong with that...You gotta represent where your from... if you like...Van City, it's cool. If you like Montreal, it's cool...there are EGO's from every city...and for people to say that Toronto is too egotistical...they are screwed...Torontonians might sound egotistical cuz they are proud....we are just trying to tell people like "yo, come to toronto, it's great"...it's true that some ppl might make it sound offensive by talking about their city..there are a few but i think that it's just their nature and it has nothing to do with toronto.
Maybe they perceive it as a shitty place becaues they let foolish events such as the garbage strike, dubbing T.O the "Big Stink", and all that horrendous smog alter their perceptions so easily. When really, they have nothing else to bitch about.

You live in Mississauaga? I'm in Milton 3months of the year.

""""Maybe they perceive it as a shitty place becaues they let foolish events such as the garbage strike, dubbing T.O the "Big Stink", and all that horrendous smog alter their perceptions so easily. When really, they have nothing else to bitch about.

You live in Mississauaga? I'm in Milton 3months of the year."""""

yeah, i'm in clarkson....i moved about 5 years ago from toronto but i still go there frequently....yeah and exactly...shyt like "smoke" and "garbage" is what ur gonna get from a big city...and Toronto is very clean for a city it's size....BUT...in recent news on tv...they are saying that their are too many piles of garbage that are found laying on the street and in the alleys. BTW milton ain't that far from Clarkson...Milton is North of Oakville right? i always get Milton and Malton mixed up

OH and can you tell me how you put the QUOTES in the blue box like that...I'm a forum NEWBIE...TY :)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are both great cities.
Lets face it Vancouver has a beautiful setting with amazing parks and is great for outdoorsy types. Truly amongst the most beautiful cities in the world.
Toronto, on the other hand has triple the population.
Does Turrana have this, no way {altthough I love the Beaches area}. Toronto on the other hand has countless festivals, parades, music venues, nightlife, shopping, dining, incredible theatre, and is a more creative vibrant urban core that Vancouver does not and will never have.
Comparing them is truly apples and oranges. People who love the outdoors move to Vancouver and people who love true urbanity move to Turrana.
Its like comparing L.A. to NYC..........completly different in attitudes, lifestyle, and outlook.
I know Vancouverites who have moved to Turrana and couldn't stand the frantic pace, weather, and attitude and came back. I also know Torontonians who have moved to Van and found it very boring, quiet, with no sence of urbanity and couldn't wait to leave. Depends on what you like.
Vancouverites love their outdoors and have framed their city around it but the city has not matured into a true urban enviornment. Toronto does not lend it itself to the outdoors so has developed its city vibrance, culture, and urban lifestly.

OMG!!!!!!!!!! I just realized I did something so "un-Canadian" and said that the two COMPLIMENT each other. In a country with only 32 million to have such diverse cities {to say nothing of incredible Montreal} is truly blessed.

Yes they do compliment each other quite well. What one doesnt have the other generally does.

""""Maybe they perceive it as a shitty place becaues they let foolish events such as the garbage strike, dubbing T.O the "Big Stink", and all that horrendous smog alter their perceptions so easily. When really, they have nothing else to bitch about.

You live in Mississauaga? I'm in Milton 3months of the year."""""

yeah, i'm in clarkson....i moved about 5 years ago from toronto but i still go there frequently....yeah and exactly...shyt like "smoke" and "garbage" is what ur gonna get from a big city...and Toronto is very clean for a city it's size....BUT...in recent news on tv...they are saying that their are too many piles of garbage that are found laying on the street and in the alleys. BTW milton ain't that far from Clarkson...Milton is North of Oakville right? i always get Milton and Malton mixed up
Yeah, Milton is north of Oakville, west of 'Sauga.... Where is Clarkson exactly?

OH and can you tell me how you put the QUOTES in the blue box like that...I'm a forum NEWBIE...TY :)
When you read someones post, you'll see a "Quote" box in the bottom right that you can click on. When you click it, it will send you to the "post reply" page, with the quote in the text box.

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/2010.jpg

Yeah, Milton is north of Oakville, west of 'Sauga.... Where is Clarkson exactly?

Its down on the lake near Port Credit.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are both great cities.
Lets face it Vancouver has a beautiful setting with amazing parks and is great for outdoorsy types. Truly amongst the most beautiful cities in the world.
Toronto, on the other hand has triple the population.
Does Turrana have this, no way {altthough I love the Beaches area}. Toronto on the other hand has countless festivals, parades, music venues, nightlife, shopping, dining, incredible theatre, and is a more creative vibrant urban core that Vancouver does not and will never have.
Comparing them is truly apples and oranges. People who love the outdoors move to Vancouver and people who love true urbanity move to Turrana.
Its like comparing L.A. to NYC..........completly different in attitudes, lifestyle, and outlook.
I know Vancouverites who have moved to Turrana and couldn't stand the frantic pace, weather, and attitude and came back. I also know Torontonians who have moved to Van and found it very boring, quiet, with no sence of urbanity and couldn't wait to leave. Depends on what you like.
Vancouverites love their outdoors and have framed their city around it but the city has not matured into a true urban enviornment. Toronto does not lend it itself to the outdoors so has developed its city vibrance, culture, and urban lifestly.

OMG!!!!!!!!!! I just realized I did something so "un-Canadian" and said that the two COMPLIMENT each other. In a country with only 32 million to have such diverse cities {to say nothing of incredible Montreal} is truly blessed.

Well said, but I wouldn't say that Toronto does not have an outdoorsy side to it.

I walk my Golden Retriver for 1:30-2:00 hours a day along the Humber river and its many branches. In that time, the only ways you can tell that you are in the middle of the city let alone a city of millions is that in the distance from some vantage points, you can see highrises and their are paved paths through the woods. I also know of people other than myself who go off trail in the valley fairly often.

A trip to the TO Islands qualify for outdoorsy activities.

Remember, there is alot of parkland in Toronto, much of it isolated but very much so in the city.

Clarkson is located in teh southwest part of mississauga directly beside oakville in between Lakeshore road and the q.e.w

Toronto does have a lot of parks and recreation...except with all the urban growth...sometimes ppl take it for granted and forget that it's there...seriously..I myself dun even go to t.o. park unless...the boardwalk counts...lol...there best parks in Toronto are out of the downtown urbanized area...mostly in the east and west

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/2010.jpg

lol

I forgot about Duchovny. But wait...how could anyone NOT like Vancouver? It just seems incomprehensible. "Vancouver is where its at."! David Duchovny needs to "Get in touch with reality!".

I don't hate Toronto. But I loathe Queens Park. :angry:

^I am in total agreement with the QP part.

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/2010.jpg

Who the hell is that guy?

I think people put too much stock in this whole "Vancouver is outdoorsy" and "Toronto is all business and fast paced" theory, because I know for a fact that TO is not all business and can be very layed back. I am also told that Vancouver can be fast paced and business oriented (sadly, only from 2nd hand experience). An outdoorsy person in TO will find just as many ways to be active and live life, as a business minded Vancouverite will find ways to live a fast, materialistic lifestyle. It really has more to do with the person than the location. These stereotypes are dangerous, as the more often you use them the more believable and rigid they become.

NO! Why should I? I have absolutely no reason in the world to "hate" Toronto. :)

Who the hell is that guy?

At least that guy knows that Vancouver is greener than Toronto in the winter.

^I thought it was funny.

Anyways, perhaps he is an idiot but he is atleast an idiot that doesn't claim that Vancouver is charming.

^I thought it was funny.

Anyways, perhaps he is an idiot but he is atleast an idiot that doesn't claim that Vancouver is charming.

Or a slice of heaven on earth.

^Oh tomato tomahto, whatever.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are both great cities.
Lets face it Vancouver has a beautiful setting with amazing parks and is great for outdoorsy types. Truly amongst the most beautiful cities in the world.
Toronto, on the other hand has triple the population.
Does Turrana have this, no way {altthough I love the Beaches area}. Toronto on the other hand has countless festivals, parades, music venues, nightlife, shopping, dining, incredible theatre, and is a more creative vibrant urban core that Vancouver does not and will never have.
Comparing them is truly apples and oranges. People who love the outdoors move to Vancouver and people who love true urbanity move to Turrana.
Its like comparing L.A. to NYC..........completly different in attitudes, lifestyle, and outlook.
I know Vancouverites who have moved to Turrana and couldn't stand the frantic pace, weather, and attitude and came back. I also know Torontonians who have moved to Van and found it very boring, quiet, with no sence of urbanity and couldn't wait to leave. Depends on what you like.
Vancouverites love their outdoors and have framed their city around it but the city has not matured into a true urban enviornment. Toronto does not lend it itself to the outdoors so has developed its city vibrance, culture, and urban lifestly.

OMG!!!!!!!!!! I just realized I did something so "un-Canadian" and said that the two COMPLIMENT each other. In a country with only 32 million to have such diverse cities {to say nothing of incredible Montreal} is truly blessed.

I dont think so! All those things you mentioned Vancouver has, but then again all those things you Mentioned that Vancouver has, Toronto has those as well... Moutains and quantity of sports teams is something each city doesnt have. Just be proud you have Toronto and Vancouver, also dont forget Montreal.

who is the idiot?

Anyways, perhaps he is an idiot but he is atleast an idiot that doesn't claim that Vancouver is charming.

See what I mean, Torontonians always bashing other people from outside Toronto.
Do you realize why people outside Toronto don't like Toronto?
It's the attitude. It's the bullying and arrogant attitude that Torontonians always showed.
Poor people from outside Toronto always become victims of Torontonians arrogance.
We are always be the victims, and if Vancouver and Toronto has a popular contest, I think majority of people will pick Vancouver over Toronto.
People know that we have a beautiful setting for a city, but we're still friendly and humble, not like Torontonians.
That's the reason why people don't like Torontonians, because Torontonians need an ATTITUDE MAKEOVER. Get it?

See what I mean, Torontonians always bashing other people from outside Toronto.
Do you realize why people outside Toronto don't like Toronto?
It's the attitude. It's the bullying and arrogant attitude that Torontonians always showed.
Poor people from outside Toronto always become victims of Torontonians arrogance.
We are always be the victims, and if Vancouver and Toronto has a popular contest, I think majority of people will pick Vancouver over Toronto.
People know that we have a beautiful setting for a city, but we're still friendly and humble, not like Torontonians.
That's the reason why people don't like Torontonians, because Torontonians need an ATTITUDE MAKEOVER. Get it?


"A loser from Toronto who can't stand the Vancouver charm."

LOL

See what I mean, Torontonians always bashing other people from outside Toronto.
Do you realize why people outside Toronto don't like Toronto?
It's the attitude. It's the bullying and arrogant attitude that Torontonians always showed.
Poor people from outside Toronto always become victims of Torontonians arrogance.
We are always be the victims, and if Vancouver and Toronto has a popular contest, I think majority of people will pick Vancouver over Toronto.
People know that we have a beautiful setting for a city, but we're still friendly and humble, not like Torontonians.
That's the reason why people don't like Torontonians, because Torontonians need an ATTITUDE MAKEOVER. Get it?

Ah you got all upset over something so minor. The comment was said in jest to your reaction to a silly picture. Perhaps if I had put a smillie or something you would not of taken it so much to heart and not said such awful things to me just now. You certainly don't sound humble.

Man, I don't care if you don't like me because I'm an immigrant who moved to Toronto as a teenager because I like the fast paced city in a park thing more than BC, but to lable all people in Toronto as being arrogant and ignorant is in itself arrogant, ignorant and.... well not all that humble. But hey look on the brightside, now you have another thing to make fun of me with.

The Mods here do good work, but man if I was one you would be in the brig for such a negitive and vile attack on 2.5 million people of which I'm sure you don't know many of.

I get the whole attitude makeover concept but after re-reading my post and yours, it doesn't look as if I need to make the change.

Here is a smilie that can indicate the overall tone of what I just said. :|

Ah you got all upset over something so minor. The comment was said in jest to your reaction to a silly picture. Perhaps if I had put a smillie or something you would not of taken it so much to heart and not said such awful things to me just now. You certainly don't sound humble.

Man, I don't care if you don't like me because I'm an immigrant who moved to Toronto as a teenager because I like the fast paced city in a park thing more than BC, but to lable all people in Toronto as being arrogant and ignorant is in itself arrogant, ignorant and.... well not all that humble. But hey look on the brightside, now you have another thing to make fun of me with.

The Mods here do good work, but man if I was one you would be in the brig for such a negitive and vile attack on 2.5 million people of which I'm sure you don't know many of.

I get the whole attitude makeover concept but after re-reading my post and yours, it doesn't look as if I need to make the change.

Here is a smilie that can indicate the overall tone of what I just said. :|


van-tbird is just another benji45 alter ego. Hence the sheer hostilities over anything that is Toronto and the adoration of anything that is Vancouver. If you are a mod, you should ban him, not brig.

Toronto on the other hand has countless festivals, parades, music venues, nightlife, shopping, dining, incredible theatre, and is a more creative vibrant urban core that Vancouver does not and will never have. Comparing them is truly apples and oranges. People who love the outdoors move to Vancouver and people who love true urbanity move to Turrana. Its like comparing L.A. to NYC..........completly different in attitudes, lifestyle, and outlook.

You are waaaaaaaay over-generalizing here. Vancouver does not (and will never have) a vibrant urban core? Since when? It already has one, in my books. For a city of 2.5 million, it is certainly doing well in that category. Is it as urban as Toronto? No, its about half the size, which makes a difference. The fact remains, however, that Vancouver provides a very urban lifestyle for those who enjoy that. Downtown Vancouver is one of the best urban neighborhoods in North America, in my opinion. Not as vibrant as Toronto, perhaps, but few cities in North America are.

As for the outdoorsy thing...Vancouver provides a great natural setting and world-class recreational opportunities. That doesn't mean that Toronto doesn't also have recreational opportunities -- just not the same variety, and not necessarily of the same caliber. Overall, its something of a trade-off: Toronto is more urban and Vancouver has a better natural setting/lifestyle, but unlike ssiguy I don't think that either city is really lacking in EITHER category.

Whats Toronto? Is it a type of American biscuit?

@nukey: no. Look at the names of the forum & subforum of this thread, that should give you a few answers. ;)

@the rest of you: how tedious and pitiful. :(

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Do you realize why people outside Toronto don't like Toronto?
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Poor people from outside Toronto always become victims of Torontonians arrogance.
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.... but we're still friendly and humble, not like Torontonians.
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That's the reason why people don't like Torontonians, because Torontonians need an ATTITUDE MAKEOVER. Get it?

Why is anyone still responding to this guy?

Or a slice of heaven on earth.

Oh yeah?

http://img99.exs.cx/img99/4518/3650980008290834web3ns.jpg

What the hell is wrong with people here. Lets be onest, Toronto is one of the cities I always have a great time in. Vancouver same thing. Anyone who bashs Toronto any of Canada's 9 largests cities does not know them. I think we are blessed in Canada in hat each of our 9 largest cities is unique. Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton, Hamilton, Quebec CIty and Winnipeg are all great in their respective ways. Now close this thread on this note. Please.

I think the problem is some people just aren't mature enough to handle the internet without look like an idiot. The overly strong hometown boosterism is sickening on SSC.

^ amen to that.

"Whats Toronto? Is it a type of American biscuit? "


No...it's the pet name we've given to the 40-foot tape worm that's living in your colon.






KGB

http://flash.uchicago.edu/~siegela/MayHouse/Carlos,%20Devon,%20&%20Me,%20&%20Mario%201.JPG

"Whats Toronto? Is it a type of American biscuit? "


No...it's the pet name we've given to the 40-foot tape worm that's living in your colon.


What an odd thing to say...

I think people put too much stock in this whole "Vancouver is outdoorsy" and "Toronto is all business and fast paced" theory, because I know for a fact that TO is not all business and can be very layed back. I am also told that Vancouver can be fast paced and business oriented (sadly, only from 2nd hand experience). An outdoorsy person in TO will find just as many ways to be active and live life, as a business minded Vancouverite will find ways to live a fast, materialistic lifestyle. It really has more to do with the person than the location. These stereotypes are dangerous, as the more often you use them the more believable and rigid they become.


YEAH Hogtown I argee ur absolutely right..i should have mentioned that b4

What the hell is wrong with people here. Lets be onest, Toronto is one of the cities I always have a great time in. Vancouver same thing. Anyone who bashs Toronto any of Canada's 9 largests cities does not know them. I think we are blessed in Canada in hat each of our 9 largest cities is unique. Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton, Hamilton, Quebec CIty and Winnipeg are all great in their respective ways. Now close this thread on this note. Please.


AMEN TO THAT>>>

All Toronto haters keep at it.. it just proves the point of how ignorant and inexperienced you are about Toronto lifestyle.

We work, hustle, relax, and play in 19 hours of our day.

The problem with people who hate Toronto is that they are usually people who have never experienced the city or have never travelled much. I rate it as one of the best cities I have been to. Every city is great in its own way. All of us need to get out and see each others cities. Maybe we need to do forumer exchanges visiting every city here in Canada thats represented (with maybe a population min of 150,000). Spend time exploring the city with the locals and see it with its boosters. It would do us all some good.

By the way, as a shot towards people in Toronto who are booster extremes. It is not the best place in the country to live. Well it may be for some but not for others. Its all a preferance. Some people like small towns or farms while there are some that feel Toronto is too small. Its just what one likes. Thus there is no best place to live.

I think this thread has, for the most part, proven the article. Of course there's plenty of non-Torontonians and non-Canadians that don't hate Toronto - many love it, but I think it's pretty clear that more hate it than should. And many for not very good reasons at all.

From a sociological standpoint it really is quite fascinating. I've never seen such a thing. Even people in Ontario hate Toronto for god's sake! It's so funny.

It's funny because of those who have been to Toronto rarely tell the same stories. In fact, it always seems to be the reverse. In all my years in spending time in Toronto never once have I felt unwelcomed or judged upon simply because i'm from X. It's a shame the good people of Toronto have to endure that from their own fellow countrymates.

Actually 416 its different with some people in Toronto when you tell them your from Alberta. Comeon don't tell me people don't get some bad connotations as soon as they hear that. I have had a few people stereotype me, (including several people from my own firm) so to say no one does is wrong. But you get ignorant people anywhere in the world.

^Bad stereotypes get thrown around by everybody including ourselves but that is by no means an excuse.

I must say that it is good to see the change in tone in the last two pages in this thread.

Wow, every thread turns into a Vancouver vs. Toronto thread.

There are a lot of insecure Vancouverites and Torontonians on this forum. :ohno:

Because we are the #1 city in our nation, it's only natural others criticize us! That's life on the top.

"There are a lot of insecure Vancouverites and Torontonians on this forum"

If I were to start a thread on how Calgarians are nothing more than redneck cowboys at SSP and religiously defend this point of view are you saying the thread wouldn't become one of largest in the Canadian section ?

this thread is becoming stupid....there is so much hostility in here...bad vibes...listen...everyone is proud where they are from...whether ur from vancouver...toronto....timbuctu....fuk wherever...it's only natural ppl get mad...but geez when you start comparing cities it's crazy...comparing toronto to vancouver is like comparing chicago to cape town...toronto is the commercial and urban centre of canada...plus toronto and great theatre and entertaining and some nice parks....vancouver is just strictly for living, boating, recreational, and some commercial...but i'm not bragging...it's the truth..TORONTO is in a bigger league than vancouver....but dun get me wrong vancouver is a great city.

this thread is becoming stupid....there is so much hostility in here...bad vibes...listen...everyone is proud where they are from...whether ur from vancouver...toronto....timbuctu....fuk wherever...it's only natural ppl get mad...but geez when you start comparing cities it's crazy...comparing toronto to vancouver is like comparing chicago to cape town...toronto is the commercial and urban centre of canada...plus toronto and great theatre and entertaining and some nice parks....vancouver is just strictly for living, boating, recreational, and some commercial...but i'm not bragging...it's the truth..TORONTO is in a bigger league than vancouver....but dun get me wrong vancouver is a great city.

RIGHT ON!!!!!

Because we are the #1 city in our nation, it's only natural others criticize us! That's life on the top.
:puke:

Because we are the #1 city in our nation, it's only natural others criticize us! That's life on the top.

well, if your on top, you're expendable.

We'll be fine without you. ;)

vancouver is just strictly for living, boating, recreational, and some commercial..

Aye Aye captain! Can't do anymore than go boating or do some recreational activity...oh and throw in some commercial for the heck of it ;)

this thread is becoming stupid....there is so much hostility in here...bad vibes...listen...everyone is proud where they are from...whether ur from vancouver...toronto....timbuctu....fuk wherever...it's only natural ppl get mad...but geez when you start comparing cities it's crazy...comparing toronto to vancouver is like comparing chicago to cape town...toronto is the commercial and urban centre of canada...plus toronto and great theatre and entertaining and some nice parks....vancouver is just strictly for living, boating, recreational, and some commercial...but i'm not bragging...it's the truth..TORONTO is in a bigger league than vancouver....but dun get me wrong vancouver is a great city.

Man O Man! What are you smoking in Mississauga, because its definetly making you delusional, bu eh on the positive side your giving Vancouverites a good laugh at your thought or opinion.

vancouverites... 90% of posts that are negative towards Toronto are from you... I don't get it?

i figured it out...
this is a breakdown of vancouverites...

eastern canadians who wanted to see how far west they could go, too tired to travel back home so they settled in.

immigrants from asian who don't have the means to make it to toronto, montreal, winnipeg or clagary

ex torontonians who couldn't make a living in toronto, so they wanted to live in cottage country, but then found a better place - 'cottage city'

an old toronto WASP who got upset that their job was taken by a non-WASP, moved to vancouver, you deal with less europeans and people from the carribean but found out that 50% of the population in vancouver is asian. life just got more miserable

Yup thats exactly why people live here. Because they couldnt make it in Toronto. lol

I think it's because people want an alternative to Toronto thats mild, beautiful, and ahead of the curve.

Yea, a tropical paradise thats a few degrees warmer in the winter... .. .

Man O Man! What are you smoking in Mississauga, because its definetly making you delusional, bu eh on the positive side your giving Vancouverites a good laugh at your thought or opinion.

we smoke 'nuff tings....i'll pass you tha doochie...cuz ur in need of some mellowing out...stop stressin cuz toronto is tight...i wasn't dissing vancouver....don't take everything to heart...i know vancouver has some things better than toronto...everybody knows that...TORONTO is the most hated city in the world...cuz whenver i see a (toronto vs ?) the rest of the world starts shytting their pants complaining about how egotistical toronto is.
ppl hate toronto becasue toronto is RAW...we might not have the tallest buildings....but our skyline is the finest...then diversity is the finest...and so are the hookers :jk: LOL....ppl just hate toronto...and if u hate toronto just becasue of ppl being proud of the city...then ur just jealous....i love the attention...and i hope ppl reply to this...i'm standing for toronto...cuz this city is treated like shyt...and most of the country shows no love....I'm A PROUD CANADIAN AND I LOVE ALL OF CANADA...but i was born in toronto so dun hate on me for bigging up my city
ENOUGH SAID

and by the way....in 25 years mississauga will pipe up vancouver and sshmoke it...i dun mean to be a pest but you pissed me off

Rapideye95, you think Toronto gets no love. Im in Alberta, how much love do you think we get. We are considered third class citizens by most of Canada. Hell how many people call or consider Albertans as hicks, rednecks, uneducated etc. Heck our own federal government called us and our values as uncanadian with Alberta style healthcare as a scare tactic in the rest of Canada in the elections. Yet how many people know the truth. Alberta has a lower than Canadian average of private health care delivery, highest per capita provincial government spending in Canada, highest per capita spending on healthcare and education. Best health care system in Canada, best education system in Canada. Highest per capita funding into equalization (so much for greedy Albertans). The problem is that the people who hold such stereotypes are also the same people who have either not visited this place or did go but did not go with an open mind and saw what they wanted to see. Its too bad that people feel this way. Many Canadians don't realize how great our country and our cities are. Take a trip across Canada you will be surprised if you travel with an open mind with no preconcived notions of a place.

^Hey that does suck and the reputation is undiserved but Alberta still is not the periah that Toronto is.

When the possibility of money being sent to Toronto is raised to a politician by a reporter, the reaction is like that of a person asked to give mouth to mouth to a leapper. First the politician goes sheet white, then there is some backtracking and ofcoarse nothing ever comes of it. People have come now to treat this kind of crap as normal.

Yea, a tropical paradise thats a few degrees warmer in the winter... .. .

By a few you mean, 15-20 degrees warmer

-7 vs +7

thats very typical, 14 degree difference. We wont even get in to your overnight lows. Theres a reason palms will survive here and not in Ontario, and its not a matter of a few degrees. Theres a big climate difference. BTW Who ever said it was a Tropical Paradise besides someone from Ontario being sarcastic?? I didnt know because we have palms it had to be Tropical.

Westcoast go to Environment Canada and look for yourself...15-20 difference?? Toronto's coldest month is a high of -1, are you saying Vancouver averages 15-20C days in January and Feburary? Toronto overall has winters of 0, Vancouver has 7. They fluctuate up and down yes there is some days the difference would be 15, but there is just as many days that are the same temps. BTW no one gives a flying f*ck about palm trees. If i want palm trees i'll go to California, not BC.

Westcoast go to Environment Canada and look for yourself...15-20 difference?? Toronto's coldest month is a high of -1, are you saying Vancouver averages 15-20C days in January and Feburary? Toronto overall has winters of 0, Vancouver has 7. They fluctuate up and down yes there is some days the difference would be 15, but there is just as many days that are the same temps. BTW no one gives a flying f*ck about palm trees. If i want palm trees i'll go to California, not BC.


That probably isn't Westcoast you're responding to...see, once he's proven wrong, the disproven statements are attributed to his imaginary friend from Toronto, who just happened to be at the computer and typed the said erroneous comments in.

Coincidently, WestCoast has enjoyed 11 straight days of the same weather. Toronto too has enjoyed 11 straight days of the same weather. Mind you the T.O. version of weather involves a big yellow fiery ball that seems to radiate energy.

Coincidently, WestCoast has enjoyed 11 straight days of the same weather. Toronto too has enjoyed 11 straight days of the same weather. Mind you the T.O. version of weather involves a big yellow fiery ball that seems to radiate energy.

Ok, I can't help it, that was funny.

Westcoast go to Environment Canada and look for yourself...15-20 difference?? Toronto's coldest month is a high of -1, are you saying Vancouver averages 15-20C days in January and Feburary? Toronto overall has winters of 0, Vancouver has 7. They fluctuate up and down yes there is some days the difference would be 15, but there is just as many days that are the same temps. BTW no one gives a flying f*ck about palm trees. If i want palm trees i'll go to California, not BC.

You are pretty stupid. I said a 15-20 degree difference! Averages also don't mean much, as it was typically not -1 in Toronto this winter. Settle down there buddy on the palm trees. I'm just proving a point on how much a difference there is in climate. It's not just palms, there is so much vegetation that you find on the BC coast that would never survive anywhere else in Canada. And actually alot of people give a "flying fuck" about palm trees, just because you don't, that doesn't represent the view of mankind.

Coincidently, WestCoast has enjoyed 11 straight days of the same weather. Toronto too has enjoyed 11 straight days of the same weather. Mind you the T.O. version of weather involves a big yellow fiery ball that seems to radiate energy.

And your dis-regarding our 2 month long sunshine spree through feb & march while you were prob experiencing the same, however in a frozen tundra of BROWN! I remember seeing TO on the news just a few weeks ago with snow on the ground still. Damn that's pretty sad.

You are pretty stupid. I said a 15-20 degree difference!

Go back and re-read what I said. Maybe you will figure it out next time. Or does everything have to be spelt out for you??


Averages also don't mean much, as it was typically not -1 in Toronto this winter.

Toronto was cold this year and it will be warm another. Same with Vancouver, you can't look at this one warm rainless year and claim it to be the norm. With this warm year will come a cold year.

If weather and palm trees and such were THAT important, wouldn't most us be living in a warm climate then? Why isn't Vancouver the largest city in Canada?

Oh yeah, forgot. No jobs there. But, best city in Canada to be unemployed or on welfare - bar none!

Rapideye95, you think Toronto gets no love. Im in Alberta, how much love do you think we get. We are considered third class citizens by most of Canada. Hell how many people call or consider Albertans as hicks, rednecks, uneducated etc. Heck our own federal government called us and our values as uncanadian with Alberta style healthcare as a scare tactic in the rest of Canada in the elections. Yet how many people know the truth. Alberta has a lower than Canadian average of private health care delivery, highest per capita provincial government spending in Canada, highest per capita spending on healthcare and education. Best health care system in Canada, best education system in Canada. Highest per capita funding into equalization (so much for greedy Albertans). The problem is that the people who hold such stereotypes are also the same people who have either not visited this place or did go but did not go with an open mind and saw what they wanted to see. Its too bad that people feel this way. Many Canadians don't realize how great our country and our cities are. Take a trip across Canada you will be surprised if you travel with an open mind with no preconcived notions of a place.

big W...u are right...iagree but it's all personal preferences just lke with everything...I know one guy who recently moved from edmonton to mississauga...and he said that mississauga is more urban than edmonton...and that left me all shocked...cuz i've been to edmonton...and right now...edmonton is a better place to be than mississauga....that's my opinion...but other people think the other way around....and i had to clue that people thought that albertans are rednecks and such...because i don't agree at all...if people think alberta is third-tier in canada for everything then they are wrong...every province had something the other doesn't....for instance...alberta has a huge resource which is oil....and manitoba has water....ontario has manufacturing and all that good stuff...i defintely don't think alberta should be stereotyped like that....infact everyone needs to stop stereotyping stuff

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big W...u are right...iagree but it's all personal preferences just lke with everything...I know one guy who recently moved from edmonton to mississauga...and he said that mississauga is more urban than edmonton...and that left me all shocked...cuz i've been to edmonton...and right now...edmonton is a better place to be than mississauga....that's my opinion...but other people think the other way around....and i had to clue that people thought that albertans are rednecks and such...because i don't agree at all...if people think alberta is third-tier in canada for everything then they are wrong...every province had something the other doesn't....for instance...alberta has a huge resource which is oil....and manitoba has water....ontario has manufacturing and all that good stuff...i defintely don't think alberta should be stereotyped like that....infact everyone needs to stop stereotyping stuff

Its all good. The problem that I have is people in any part of this country make judgements about somewhere else without having gone there and experienced it as it is. For me basing my view of Winnipeg from the highway or the economy etc is totally different then when you go there and tour around with a local who knows the city (being a local does not mean you know your city thus I made that distinction). See from the highway you only get a glimpse, but if you take the effort and wander around you get to see the exchange district (which is in my opinion one of the best neighbourhoods in Canada due to the amount of turn of the century buildings there and the architecture) or the forks area, St Boniface with its French flavor. Thats what misses if they dont actually take the time to see it. Same goes for any city. You see what you want to see and if you make an effort to see it for what it is then you will be in for a treat. Toss all preconcieved notions aside and go. I personally think we need to get us forumers to visit each others cities and tour with the local forumer. I am sure many will have a changed view on a place or it will be better then what they thought.

".... and ..... but..... blah.... bah..........................................................."

Your post sucks, and that's sad.

^ I see you've mastered the technique as well.