This forum will soon be removed from the Florida forum, and will be front paged alongside the other Metro forums.

Congrats!



There's one question though, what should the name be? Just "Miami" or "Miami Metro" or what?


Also, I'm of the opinion that a P&C forum probably needs to be created... Any thoughts on that either way?

It should be called Miami.

Agreed... it should be called "Miami" but still use the same description (Dade, Broward, Palm Beach counties).

^I agree with Tivo:)

yeah, what Aessotariq (something you wanna tell us, tivo?) said.

we could definitely use a p&c forum to help consolidate all the p&c talk, which we have a ton of right now. i think a stickied thread for it would be all we need, but however you wanna do it is cool with me, jasonhouse.

wait does this mean we get a moderator if so,i would like to nominate my self.


and i'm sorry but i like "miami metro" since sunny isles and ft.lauderdale are also growing at a dizzying pace.

whoa for some reason i'm excited about this,it really shows how big were getting now if only we had more members.

i think that now that were alot more visible, well get more members... and if not, well make do, and well b gettin alot more hits

this is great news, and i too think it should be called miami metro... only fair to the various other skylines that are going up all over dade, broward, and palm beach

Simple is better. Once folks enter they will see there are different areas contained within the "Miami" front page heading.

Just a suggestion within the Miami forum....
Set up diffferent areas based on the Downtown Development Authority boundries for core, then add a few other categories.
CBD - (river to 395) would include Miami River, Park West, South East Overtown
Edgewater - (395 North to 195) would include Media & Entertainment district, Overtown, Edgewater, Wynwood, Design District
Coral Gables/Coconut Grove
South Miami/Kendal
The islands and the Beaches - would include Surfside, Bal Harbour, Normandy Isle, North Bay Village, Sunny Isles, Golden Beach
Aventura
other

Just a thought, and I know I've left out a lot of areas, but this just about covers it.

Miami
Miami Only, thanks Jason :) , this sounds Great, its all about Miami here, We all call it the Miami area, but the Name should Just be " Miami ', I agree with everyone else here, Thanks again , Jason. :cheers:
P.S. Everyone :) , Ft.Lauderdale already is included in the Florida Forum, and So is West Palm Beach, there's even Sticky Threads for those Cities. :cheers:

wait does this mean we get a moderator if so,i would like to nominate my self.




lol... No offense, but keep dreaming.

i think that now that were alot more visible, well get more members... and if not, well make do, and well b gettin alot more hits



Which brings up another point. A few of you are going to have to clean up your act a bit. I've been very tolerant of it because I'm loyal to my fellow Floridians, but that ain't gonna fly now.

You know who you are, or at least I hope you do. :)

Just a suggestion within the Miami forum....
Set up diffferent areas based on the Downtown Development Authority boundries for core, then add a few other categories.
CBD - (river to 395) would include Miami River, Park West, South East Overtown
Edgewater - (395 North to 195) would include Media & Entertainment district, Overtown, Edgewater, Wynwood, Design District
Coral Gables/Coconut Grove
South Miami/Kendal
The islands and the Beaches - would include Surfside, Bal Harbour, Normandy Isle, North Bay Village, Sunny Isles, Golden Beach
Aventura
other

Just a thought, and I know I've left out a lot of areas, but this just about covers it.


Err, if you're suggesting all those be subforums, that just isn't going to happen. Not unless traffic explodes lby like a factor of 10.

I will create a P&C forum and move the project threads into there as I see them, and then you guys can do as you wish.

A mod will not be needed at this time, as I've reluctantly decided to put Florida as a subforum of the SE, so it will be well covered, meaning I will have plenty of time to help you blokes.

Just a suggestion within the Miami forum....
Set up diffferent areas based on the Downtown Development Authority boundries for core, then add a few other categories.A lot of these threads currently exist; I think it would help if all of the threads would stick to a logical naming convention. It is difficult to find information when we deviate from it and scatter information everywhere.

I had some thoughts, and I'm not sure if they fall within the scope of this discussion. I'm curious if anyone else is on the same wavelength. I believe the threads that we are currently using that don't follow the established format should be renamed for clarity. Then going forward, threads should be named in a logical hierarchical manner, in descending order of importance, so that the first word you see is the broadest scope of the discussion, and the topic gets narrower and narrower as you read it. For example, most of the original main threads that concern development news are in the format: City name - Subdivision of city
This is one way to identify master threads, especially if they fall to the bottom of the queue. It also makes it easier to do searches by making relevant keywords available for the search tool to index (if and when the feature is reenabled).

Let's also follow this scheme for new threads like picture tours, breaking news, etc. I would do something along these lines:

News: New project development - For subjects so exciting that they would stir so much discussion to warrant their own thread.
Photo tour (or thread, essay, update, etc.): City Name - Neighborhood area or topic - For photo threads of a specific area
And while we're on the subject of thread titles, might I suggest moderating the use of excessive punctuation and caps in the title of the thread (I'm not referring to the actual conversation) -- they dilute the message that the subject is trying to communicate, and it makes it very hard to read.

Just some non-binding suggestions... Thoughts?

Which brings up another point. A few of you are going to have to clean up your act a bit. I've been very tolerant of it because I'm loyal to my fellow Floridians, but that ain't gonna fly now.

You know who you are, or at least I hope you do. :)

wait who is that referring to,i'm guessing you're talking about me for some reason,correct me if i'm wrong.

but we all get along like a happy family here and i really haven't seen any of us act up with the exception of one time, which i thought was forgotten.


and my comment about moderator,was just a joke sorry but i don't read the rules so i wouldn't be able to enforce them! :)

Simple is better. Once folks enter they will see there are different areas contained within the "Miami" front page heading.



I say the title should be Miami, and directly under the title, you could put "Includes Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach Counties" or just Broward and Palm Beach Counties, to clarify that the forum pertains to the whole region, not the Miami metro area!

Err, if you're suggesting all those be subforums, that just isn't going to happen. Not unless traffic explodes lby like a factor of 10.

I will create a P&C forum and move the project threads into there as I see them, and then you guys can do as you wish.

A mod will not be needed at this time, as I've reluctantly decided to put Florida as a subforum of the SE, so it will be well covered, meaning I will have plenty of time to help you blokes.



I think he just talking about threads for those areas, not subforums, you could rename some of the main threads to clarify what type of content ithe thread contains...."Miami=Brickell Financial District" could just be "Brickell Development" for instance!..

Just suggesting..

A lot of these threads currently exist; I think it would help if all of the threads would stick to a logical naming convention. It is difficult to find information when we deviate from it and scatter information everywhere.
True. The threads exist with titles such as "Bustling Avenutra and Smokin' Sunny Isles" or something like that. Only the administrator can change that...I love your next idea...that would bring more method to this...

I had some thoughts, and I'm not sure if they fall within the scope of this discussion. I'm curious if anyone else is on the same wavelength. I believe the threads that we are currently using that don't follow the established format should be renamed for clarity. Then going forward, threads should be named in a logical hierarchical manner, in descending order of importance, so that the first word you see is the broadest scope of the discussion, and the topic gets narrower and narrower as you read it. For example, most of the original main threads that concern development news are in the format: City name - Subdivision of city
Let's do it.

jason, youve hung around the florida and miami metro,

if it seems to you that the florida forum is a lil too slow now that we seperated miami metro, then maybe you should put broward and palm beach counties back in the florida forum, and leave miami (dade) on the front page

or if the florida forums going well and active, then just put the tri-county are together on the front page

I'm not in favor of splitting the Miami Metro forum as it is right now. It would make it more difficult to discuss issues of a regional scope like transportation. There is a legitimate reason to keep the forum's cities together: common MSA, geography, economics, demographics, local calling area, etc. Perhaps the rate of development for our northern neighbor metros is not as colossal as ours is at the moment, but when there is discussion, that which does occur there is extremely productive and informative. Surely quality can be just as important as mere quantity. Splitting is not necessary.

At the other extreme, if volume is so low that the fate of the Florida forum is in peril, it could become a sub of the Miami forum. I would view this as an option of last resort.

Curious: Jason, when the Miami forum is moved, will it be possible to create a symbolic link between it and the Florida forum, so that a link to another forum appears in the other, i.e., Florida has a Miami link and Miami has a Florida link? I think that will make it easier for users to navigate between both sections and facilitate cross-posting.

I kind of like everything in the Florida forum. More than anything its going to be annoying, especially for someone like me who usually just goes straight for the Florida section.

While I certainly believe that the Miami area deserves to be showcased, I'm afraid that segregating Florida to the Southeast forum would not be so great for the rest of us Floridians. We (the rest of FL) may not get that many hits compared to Miami where we currently are, but would get even fewer if we were placed in the Southeast forum. :( Someone mentioned earlier if FL could be a subforum of Miami, which I think would be better than going to the Southeast. Just my opinion.

yea i like the idea of florida being a subforum better,so that miami doesn't have to go solo.because if we do we become the smallest forum on ssc

jason... how many hits to the miami and florida forums get rite now?

I'm working on these issues slowly folks. I just got back into town from a vacation, and now several family members showed up unexpectedly and are staying with me all week.


I've front paged Miami, but haven't done anything else as of yet.

When I have time, possibly late tonight or tomorrow night, I will create the Miami P&C subforum, and move the active major threads into there. Over time, I will move more as I see them. (like how I did it when the Miami forum itself was created)

I still don't know what to do with Florida, as other staffers and especially Florida forumers don't like the idea of moving it under the SE either.

btw, check out the jump links I coded into the Miami and Florida forums, allowing members to jump directly from one forum to the other.

Fucking slick!


(whoever suggested that, thanks for the inspiration)

Why don't you just leave it or put it in Southeast as a subgroup - it would be silly to have florida be a subgroup of Miami

yea i like the idea of florida being a subforum better,so that miami doesn't have to go solo.because if we do we become the smallest forum on ssc


Not so. The Miami region generates more than enough traffic to stand on its own at this time, and will surely grow now that it is a feature forum.

Look at LA. Not that it is all that busy, but we had effectively NO LA members before we created that subforum, and now we have quite a few of them.

The FLorida forum started losing momentum when everything got split up initially, but this makes it way worse...oh well

Actually, the FL forum lost momentum, because forumers from Orlando and Jax inexplicably dissapeared. Prior to the split, the FL forum was by far the busiest metro forum, and was so busy as to be difficult to surf.

Well most are at urbanplanet because they gave each city their own thread, which has proven to work out great. I'm not going to get into it, but there are a lot of reasons why people from Florida's other metros pulled out of SSC. I pretty much have become only a spectator here myself.

btw, check out the jump links I coded into the Miami and Florida forums, allowing members to jump directly from one forum to the other.

Fucking slick!


(whoever suggested that, thanks for the inspiration)

Wow, that's HOT. You gotta show me the option for that in the cp.

^fraid not young grasshopper. You must first learn the ways of the lotus.



j/k... I'll explain it on like Friday when I have time. (will be out of town again tomorrow and the day after)

Actually, the FL forum lost momentum, because forumers from Orlando and Jax inexplicably dissapeared. Prior to the split, the FL forum was by far the busiest metro forum, and was so busy as to be difficult to surf.

I doubt the Jax numbers had anything to do with it. The Jax thread has never been popular over here, even before Urban Planet started up. There were only about 3 or 4 Jax forumers here anyway and other then me, the rest only visited the site periodically. Its been over a year and a half now and I still post Jax projects over here when they are announced, but most people just aren't interested.

On the other hand, the Jax forum picked up over on UP when a couple of local forumers joined and spread the word to their friends, who then signed up. I think the hit here came when Sunshineboy left SSP and SSC over a dispute, taking most of the Orlando forumers with him over to Urban Planet. With popular Jax, Orlando and Miami sections, the Florida forum at Urban Planet is now one of that site's most popular sections.

The problem with Sunshineboy was much like the same problem that spurred UP splitting off from SSP in the first place... He was more than happy to use the resources provided for free, but had little interest in respecting the rules.

As I've said for a long, long time, staffers at SSP and SSC both would rather monitor a slow paced forum, than turn into babysitters, as we rank professionalism way, way ahead of traffic counts. I offer a special thanks to UP for stepping in and taking the stigma of being the American "forum of last resort" off of NASF. The overall quality of the forums both here and at SSP has improved dramatically ever since.

i think it comes back to the decision to close the florida forum for a day thing,we lost two members that day. and we also lost some momemtum

The thing is, if it carried on like that, the forum would have been hidden behind a password given only to select members. This isn't a daycare center. We've got numerous pros and mature adults here, and that's exactly how we like it. We've got no problem with young folks, but not when they can't control themselves.

The problem with Sunshineboy was much like the same problem that spurred UP splitting off from SSP in the first place... He was more than happy to use the resources provided for free, but had little interest in respecting the rules.

As I've said for a long, long time, staffers at SSP and SSC both would rather monitor a slow paced forum, than turn into babysitters, as we rank professionalism way, way ahead of traffic counts. I offer a special thanks to UP for stepping in and taking the stigma of being the American "forum of last resort" off of NASF. The overall quality of the forums both here and at SSP has improved dramatically ever since.

Yeah not quite but whatever. Go take a look at the Orlando and JAX forums at Urbanplanet, they are just as good if not better than anything here. In my two years here things have not improved (especially in the Florida forum when things were really good a year ago or so at both SSC and SSP).

^How so? I'm keenly interested in knowing, so as to improve whatever shortcoming it is.

The database here still includes the numerous bickering threads deleted from then. I'm well aware of the antics that were pervasive on this forum. That's why several ineffective mods were removed, and I was brought back in to clean it up.

I readily agree that from what I've seen of the FL forums at UP, they are mellow. Thankfully, this indicates that some folks are finally growing up.

Jasonhouse I guess it doesn't really matter anymore since the whole Florida section is gone.

It matters to me. It's pretty shitty when a person like me invests a great deal of time to set up a well organized forum, only to have some people with differing opinions on how it should be run crap all over it when things don't go their way. I'm well aware of the fact that folks from other sites come here and send solicitations to our members via PM, helping speed the process along. All I can offer is that anyone with a personal beef with me should have addressed me about it, and they would have quickly learned that such sentiments were completely unnecessary. It would have been nice to see certain folks stick around, but the choice is theirs. The forumers we have now are great, and barely even need to be moderated, which allows the staff to do its real duty, which is improving and growing the forum.

Jasonhouse I think your doing a kickass job. I love this forum and its members.

If you do recall I was the one who spent the time and set up the Orlando P&C thread with renderings and projects, etc., and was a dedicted member long before that. There were a few people who came in and overran the thread with nonsense, and I do believe those same people still visit this site, and I got annoyed and stopped posting. Perhaps I'm not as valued as others, and that doesn't really matter anymore, thats what I was trying to say. You--and other administrators--are not the only people here trying to make this a better more informative website but when someone disagrees with you, they get shit all over. And thats the end of the story. I will stop posting in the Florida sections of SSC after this post.

^who? I'm serious man.

darn it, how in the heck is the staff supposed to know of such problems, if nobody alerts us to them? I don't read even 10% of what's posted here, because I couldn't do so if I tried. (and this is why the forum rules implicitly call for forumers to alert the staff of problems and concerns directly via PM, so that we are made aware of them)

I'm sure that folks are put off or intimidated by my direct and oft gruff nature, but I'm a reasonably balanced person in that when people actually tell me what's going on, I work tirelessly to resolve the situation, hopefully to the betterment of all involved.

If you want to go, that sucks. If you care to stay, great.

I can only comment on what I know.
& what I know is that for the 2-3 years I've been posting on SSC & SSP, the orlando forumers have been a pretty tight nit group. SSP is where it all started, because we had a huge P&C thread that we could all share our views and talk about the city. Then SSC started a Florida forum, & finally Florida was able to get represented like it should. However Orlando wasn't able to establish itself very well at SSC. The Florida forum was pretty much the Miami forum, and Orlando news couldn't keep up, tho the P&C thread kept people coming. Then UP came about somewhere in between, & started off slow; but with a dedicated orlando forum, it's really become the best place for orlando forumers to convene. It covers downtown, the outskirts, and anything related to orlando, P&C or not. There is at least twice as many orlando forumers who post regularly there that ever posted here.
I still like this forum, but most attention is on bigger world cities. I still come here to check the Florida board & to see what's up in Miami, but for orlando news UP is the place to go. I know the same is with Jacksonville... in fact the Jax community is even larger than Orlando's.
What it comes down to now is that Florida forumers are split between 2 forums, Orlando & Jax at UP, and Miami at SSC. Tampa is also at SSC but doesn't get near as much rep as it should. Now the Florida forum has dissapeared, and if it gets pushed off the main page you may as well just leave it off the forum & merge it back w/ the southeast.
I'll still continue to come here occasionally, but I can't support the Florida forum like I used to the way things are now.
BTW, you mod just fine Jasonhouse. You're pretty tolerant without being a pushover, which is admirable. & if Florida can build it's community back up around here, I'll be around to support it. It's just tough to do practically alone.

Jason :) , I agree with Hisma :) , SkyDive will be back, I listen to you and cut back on my caps and smiles, Your doing the Best Job any staffer could do. its busy here with over 16,000 Members in the S.S.C., its true you can only read about 10 % of the posts here and other areas. But , for a Staffer here in this busy forum ,I'll give you a 9 out of 10, Great Job Jason, don't let one upset Apple spoil the whole bunch, Bro !!! :cheers:

Believe me Chuck, the entire forum thanks you for making your posts more readable. I know you are an excitable guy, but it just your posts hard to read.


Thanks for the insight Hisma. I really appreciate it.

One thing I took note of though that I wanted to respond to...
I still like this forum, but most attention is on bigger world cities.

Remember, when we started rebuilding NASF 9 months ago, it was basically a shambles. It had no real direction, a poor layout, and little in the way of quality threads. We basically started from scratch, so naturally the focus has been on ramping up metro forums for those cities which are most conducive to thier creation. It has long been our intention that as any particular metro gets more active representation, we will create a metro forum for it, and then it will be subforumed or front paged, depending on how active the forum is, and how worthwhile the threads created are. There are a few more NASF cities on the verge of getting thier own metro forum, with Tampa kinda sorta being in a gray area... Just didn't want you thinking we're ignoring the smaller metros, because that definitely isn't the case. It simply takes time to grow things right is all.