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elmwood
March 17th, 2005, 05:16 PM
There seems to be some demand for photos of the infamous East Side of Buffalo. Members who aren't natives of Buffalo have heard the stories; if you don't have enough melanin in your skin, you'll be dead the moment you step foot east of Main Street. Take a gun, some bodyguards, or better yet just don't go.

Yes, the East Side is, overall, pretty rough, but it's not like East St. Louis, or even Detroit. Overall, it's gritty, often ugly, sometimes with a lot of people on the street whose skin color is different than yours. You'll see a lot of closed factories, abandoned or blighted houses, and neglect. Except for the churches and some houses in Hamlin Park and Kensington, you won't see much interesting architecture; it's mostly Buffalo vernacular telescoping houses and semi-bungalows. Still, though, if you avoid the area altogether, you're missing out on an essential part of Buffalo. There's more to the city than just downtown, the Theatre District, Elmwood Village, the Delaware District, the West Side, Allentown, North Buffalo, Central Park and Parkside. For 150 years, the East Side received groups of poor immigrants -- Germans, Ashkenazi and Russian Jews, Italians, Poles, and southern African-Americans. It's expected that such an area would be worse for the wear. This post is intended as a general guide for those who are interested in visiting and documenting the East Side of Buffalo.

I'm a Buffalo native who grew up on the East Side - the Kensington neighborhood, to be exact. At the time, Kensington was considered part of North Buffalo. Its population became integrated in the early 1970s, and it was considered a stable, desirable lower middle-class to middle-class neighborhood until the late 1980s. It was the kind of place where young couples bought their first house, and when they kids reached school age either left for the 'burbs or stayed but enrolled them at St. Al's or St. Gregory's.

A variety of socioeconomic forces converged - I'll explain them in detail if you want -- and Kensington lost its middle class white and black population. Each year, Kensington residents talked about where "The Line" was - the street that separated majority black neighborhoods from majority white areas. The Line progressed about a block north every year or two. My parents left in 1992, when The Line was at Hewitt Avenue, a few blocks south of their street.

Today, Kensington is associated with the East Side, but it's a cultural association. There are still some whites that live there -- about 30% of the population -- but the Bailey Avenue business district now caters to the dominant African-American population. Sadly, there's a growing amount of Yemenese bodegas, liquor stores, rent-to-own furniture stores, storefront churches, hair salons, and other "ghetto"-type uses. (Do businesspeople think African-Americans spend all their disposable income on malt liquor, cell phones and Fubu? Sigh.)

The area east of Eggert Road and north of Kensington Avenue has some impressive houses. I wouldn't live there, though; the neighborhood's decline is slowly continuing as white flight concludes, middle-class blacks move to the Pine Ridge and Cleveland Hill neighborhoods in Cheektowaga -- if they can't afford to move further out -- and poorer residents from rougher parts of the East Side move in to replace them.

Kensington is pretty safe if you're photographing there; not Amherst safe, but you won't be mugged, harassed or have your car messed with. You can go into most businesses in the area, and people won't blink an eye. Rule of thumb - the northernmost streets are the safest. You won't have problems to the south, but you might get some looks.

Other Kensington-like neighborhoods - Delavan-Bailey (east of Bailey) and Schiller Park (east of Bailey) have the same demographic makeup and built character - Buffaio-style frame bungalows built in the 1920s, a mix of two-story commercial buildings and converted frame houses along business districts Bailey Avenue south of the Kensington Expressway looks rough - used car lots, auto parts stores, ragged convenience stores, and the like. Stay away from the Kenfield and Langfield projects; the streets adjacent to them are okay. Again, though, I wouldn't live there.

Kaisertown (the area around Clinton Street east of Bailey Avenue) and Lovejoy (the area between William Street and Broadway, east of Bailey Avenue) are enclaves that are predominantly European ethnic;Kaisertown is mostly Polish; Lovejoy is mostly Polish and Italian. Both neighborhoods are working-class, but well-maintained, relatively clean, and very safe. I've got some images of Kaisertown (http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/showgallery.php?si=kaisertown&x=0&y=0) online. Except for the magnificent churches, don't expect architectural masterpieces; instead, it's a look into Buffalo's blue-collar past. If you're trying to mentally recreate the past appearance of now-more blighted East Side neighborhoods, Kaisertown is the place to go.

Safe neighborhoods that are predominantly African-American include Masten Park and Hamlin Park. Hamlin Park is a historical district, and it was a predominantly middle-class Jewish and Italian neighborhood until the late 1950s. Residential streets don't look too much different than what you would see in more modest areas of North Buffalo - large two-flats and good-sized single-family homes -- but some blocks are a bit more worn and weatherbeaten. The Jefferson Avenue business district looks rough; it was hit hard in riots in the 1960s and never fully recovered. You won't run into any problems here.

Polonia-Central Terminal area - Broadway Avenue only contains a few remnants of its prosperous past. It was always a working-class area, but until the early 1980s Broadway was lined with shops, restaurants and bars. The Broadway Market still draws in neighborhood residents and those in outlying areas. Many of the old Polish gin mills closed in the eatly 1990s, but there are some holdouts. Residents - about 70% black, with some older and poorer Polish-Americans that still hold fast. It's not a great place to live, but if you're visiting you should be okay, even on side streets.

St. John Kanty is the area along Broadway east of Polonia and the Belt Line. It's gritty, rough around the edges, very working-class, and continuing to experience white flight; the remaining Polish-American residents are leaving for Sloan and Cheektowaga. Can't say whether it's safe or not; I'd say exercise the same amount of caution as in Polonia.

What I think of as the Lower East Side is the area bounded by Fillmore Avenue to the east, Best Street to the north, Main Street to the West and Swan Street to the south. It's hit-or-miss - it contains the only parts of the city that look truly Detroit-like, with blocks containing more vacant lots than houses. There's big housing projects closer to downtown. Theere are blocks that are completely developed with new but suburban-like townhouses and single family homes. The Fruit Belt -- the area between the Kensington Espressway and Best Street -- is mixed. There's the cluster of hospitals, research institutions and medical offices, and some infill development - all okay. Streets that haven't been redeveloped look pretty bad. Trust your judgement; streets that look bad probably are.

Get a beer at the Green Ghetto Lounge on William Street if you're thirsty.

There are some white ethnic and Vietnamese enclaves hidden among the web of railroad tracks around Clintom Street, Swan Street, Fillmore Avenue and Babcock Street. This is classic, old-school blue-collar Buffalo - factories right next to houses with yards that abck onto rail lines. Those were considered desirable places to live by the working class in the early 1900s, because it was easy to walk from your house to your job. Now, we shake our heads and wonder "What were they thinking?" Relatively safe if you're visiting.


If you're going to AVOID an area, make it the area bordered by Bailey Avenue to the east, Broadway to the south, Fillmore Avenue to the West and the Kensington Expressway to the north. This is the heart of the East Side ghetto; the area where you hear about the most drug shootings, fires, crime and so on. The only businesses are gritty Yemenese c-stores and bodegas, a few carry-out restaurants, and guys with names likie "Gat T" and "Killah K" standing on every few blocks, selling you-know-what. If you're standing at the corner of Genesee and Moselle, and you're white, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TROUBLE. If you're black, and you're not wearing urban-style clothing, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TROUBLE. For some reason, whenever Canadians get lost in Buffalo, they always end up here. Go figure.

The Buffalo Science Museum is in MLK Park. The area surrounding it is rough, but don't let that stop you fromn visiting the museum.

If you do go, document the good and the bad. Don't try to put a pretty dress on a pig by photographing only churches, historic homes and parks. The neighborhood is more than the buildings; it's the fabric -- how those buildings work together -- and the people.

EDIT: lots of typos. Sorry.

steel
March 17th, 2005, 05:39 PM
Great tour Dan. Have you studied South Buffalo to this extent. Would love to hear your S Buf analysis.

BuffCity
March 18th, 2005, 01:26 AM
this is awsome

I'm printing it

ECoastTransplant
March 18th, 2005, 01:54 AM
I've driven all over the east side, I grew up in the Bailey/Genesee neighborhood until white flight took hold. It was a German/Polish neighborhood with strong family ties. My grandmother lived on the same block (Burgard) and so did an aunt and two cousins! Once the tide came, I think 10 houses went up for sale at once. While I wouldn't go there at night, I think for the most part the east side is safe. As long as you aren't looking for trouble, it won't find you unless you're walking around with your rolex and Ken Cole shoes on carrying a big sign, "Mug Me".

It sure is gritty and depressing. Especially considering what once was- strong commercial districts along Genesee, Bailey, Fillmore, Jefferson, William, Walden, Broadway, etc. But suburbanization and white flight killed that. Buffalo has done a somewhat decent job with infill housing in the lower east side neighborhood (Pratt/Willert) and some in the Fruitbelt and Coldspring areas. The housing could be designed a little better though. I remember my father working on the first phase of the Pratt Willert project and you could stand on Pine Street and see about six blocks over- thats how many vacant lots there were. Now, there's more new houses than old and very few vacant lots in the area bound by William/Genesee/Michigan/Jefferson. Its a start!

But with most of the homes built for the working class, many without basements, these homes are long past their useful lives for the most part. Plus many are renters and the properties have been milked without any investment. There's going to be plenty of opportunity for redevelopment for decades to come.

herodotus
March 18th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Excellent post.

denvernative1982
March 19th, 2005, 01:58 AM
Does any have any photos of the areas of Buffalo that are struggling?

Sounds that Buffalo is a unique, real city to me

nostyle
March 19th, 2005, 03:36 AM
My mom used to live on Peterson, and my grandparents lived a block from the Wonderbread factory. I actually found the east side very charming and a nice change of pace from my home growing up in Kenmore.

nostyle
March 19th, 2005, 03:39 AM
Also, my dad used to work at the museum of science in the magnet school. My wife also taught at a gradeschool across the street. I can remember thinking how cool that area was with this one place called the 'no name deli', and how all the streets had so many people on them, and there were urban things you just wouldn't find in Kenmore, like newspaper stands and a ton of mass transit. I never really felt uncomfortable in that area.

However, a bit further south, I felt VERY uncomfortable driving around some of the sidestreets off broadway not far from downtown. The Central Terminal area is kinda scary too.

steel
March 19th, 2005, 04:08 AM
Does any have any photos of the areas of Buffalo that are struggling?

Sounds that Buffalo is a unique, real city to me



Here are some of the east side's new infill houses. I think the city has benefited quite a bit from these houses even though they seem to be attemption to make the city less unique. amny of these houses are built with subsidies and sold to people at a discout with the stipulation they have to live in them for a certain legnth of time. The good thing is they have held their value selling over $100,000 in many cases in neighborhoods with $2,000 houses.

see Eastcoasttrasnplant's thread
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/2884/jefferson39qt.jpg http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=185565


Some have criticized this program becasue the city already has too many houses. the funny thing is they never criticize Amherst or any other suburban town for continuing to build houses syphoning population from other communities. Some very large stable communities have been created within blocks of downtown were there was once crime ridden streets or nothing at all.

Many of the "projects" have also been renovated with houses like these built up around them. Most of the east side is still a very sad case however. The Broadway Filmore area is maybe most sad of all if you know what the neighborhood used to be

http://img156.exs.cx/img156/6056/perry12mm.jpg

A typical east side church with typical east side housing
http://img44.exs.cx/img44/7461/Untitled-1corpuschristiview.jpg

some left over glory in the Broadway Filmore shopping district
http://www.hastingscohn.com/realestate/forsale/pictures/937Broadway0002.jpg

An example of what Buffalo's east side churches look like
http://img135.exs.cx/img135/3982/22423501101803b640img21774hr.jpg
and a link to many more
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mk29.image.pbase.com/u17/kjosker/upload/21919278.LoftyPhotosB640St.Anns.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pbase.com/image/21919278&h=480&w=640&sz=162&tbnid=dj67o0co15sJ:&tbnh=101&tbnw=135&start=15&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbroadway%2Bbuffalo%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

common street scape. Church towers are omnipresent
http://www.biniasz.com/images/267_IMG_5227_2_.JPG

Once upon a time on Broadway
http://www.biniasz.com/images/600_Broadway_50s_web.jpg

http://www.biniasz.com/images/600_Northside_1961.jpg


and now
http://www.biniasz.com/images/550_broadway_2004_WNH.jpg


These images are from the web. Please treat them as if they are copyrighted material

nostyle
March 19th, 2005, 04:29 AM
broadway isn't quite as dead as that last picture makes it look. It is certainly not what it once was, but there is a definite pedestrian presence throughout the east side that is not reflected in that photo.

BuffCity
March 20th, 2005, 02:04 AM
pedestrian meaning hookers. dealers and crack junkies...thats all I ever really see on the east side. Sad but true.

nostyle
March 20th, 2005, 05:58 AM
You see lots of bad stuff, sure, but you also see everyday residents. Maybe they're not swanky, but it's their neighborhood, and they're living their lives.

ECoastTransplant
March 20th, 2005, 07:09 AM
pedestrian meaning hookers. dealers and crack junkies...thats all I ever really see on the east side. Sad but true.

:omg:

That is so wrong...
And I guess in Amherst all you see are professors and doctors.

BuffCity
March 20th, 2005, 09:50 PM
there is no need to be sterotypical about the East side...Im just saying what I see

nostyle
March 21st, 2005, 05:39 AM
how do you know the people on the streets are hookers, dealers, and junkies unless you're a junkie who's buying hookers and drugs? It was a sweeping stereotype you made. You have to admit that. The truth is that the east side is an economically depressed working class part of the city, with above average rates of crime and unemployment, but the core of these neighborhoods are still good human beings who are just trying to make ends meet.

BuffCity
March 21st, 2005, 04:08 PM
YO no style, when I drive down Broadway, William, Genesee or even the areas around the Kensington or maybe the Central Terminal I see abandoned houses, people just walking around drinking or standing on the corner "chillin". maybe after I get off the drags more which I have...okay I'll admit there are some working class areas, but I'll tell you...a sweeping stereotype is unjust and if you wanna think that everyone in Buffalo has jobs and that drugs and welfare are non-existent and the people are not hookin' or dealin...well I'm sorry for your misjudgement. When I see somebody out on the streets in the conditions I see people in Buffalo (drinking 40oz beers and sitting on some steps) I doubt these souls have jobs worth even talking about if any at all.

There are people who think that there are no problems in these cities up north, denied the fact of poverty and think "the big turnaround" is lofts being built for yuppies. I can't stress enough the problem of having no tax base and having idiots in city hall and morons in NY State who keep ignoring the high tax issue...NO Jobs! nothing and we can sit here with most pro-Buffalo forumer not even in Buffalo and discuss the need for change blah blah blah I hear the same thing...build this, fund this add this...it's all bullshit ***Cut the taxes*** and you won't see homeless people all over the eastside, you might see some new employers infill Genesee and maybe Buffalo can find some industries to create a backbone for a tax base and take it off the poor souls who live in the city and work as well.

Bass Pro, Adelphia, Geico all corporate welfare...and its the wrong way to jump start the NYS economy it's only pacifying voters to vote for the same morons.

keep building state campuses, office buildings, NFTA waterfront proposals, metrorail extentions, but NOT lowering taxes...it's all in vain people.

nostyle
March 22nd, 2005, 04:06 AM
YO no style, when I drive down Broadway, William, Genesee or even the areas around the Kensington or maybe the Central Terminal I see abandoned houses, people just walking around drinking or standing on the corner "chillin". maybe after I get off the drags more which I have...okay I'll admit there are some working class areas, but I'll tell you...a sweeping stereotype is unjust and if you wanna think that everyone in Buffalo has jobs and that drugs and welfare are non-existent and the people are not hookin' or dealin...well I'm sorry for your misjudgement. When I see somebody out on the streets in the conditions I see people in Buffalo (drinking 40oz beers and sitting on some steps) I doubt these souls have jobs worth even talking about if any at all.

I didn't say there's no druggies, prostitutes, or dealers, but I said that they are a small part of the overall population of the East side. You're making it sound like EVERYBODY that lives on the east side of Buffalo is a lowlife. That's simply not true. It's disrespectful to assume that those low income people who are just trying to get by are druggies or hookers just because they don't live in the swankiest part of town.

There are people who think that there are no problems in these cities up north, denied the fact of poverty and think "the big turnaround" is lofts being built for yuppies. I can't stress enough the problem of having no tax base and having idiots in city hall and morons in NY State who keep ignoring the high tax issue...NO Jobs! nothing and we can sit here with most pro-Buffalo forumer not even in Buffalo and discuss the need for change blah blah blah I hear the same thing...build this, fund this add this...it's all bullshit ***Cut the taxes*** and you won't see homeless people all over the eastside, you might see some new employers infill Genesee and maybe Buffalo can find some industries to create a backbone for a tax base and take it off the poor souls who live in the city and work as well.

Wow, you just threw a lot at me there, so let me try to break it down a bit. First off, I agree that too many people misinterpret white collar downtown condos for some kind of urban turnaround. While these loft conversions and highrises might seem like a positive thing, they don't help to fix desperate neighborhoods like Buffalo's east side. You're also right that reduced taxes is the ideal solution to the problem, rather than all these 'magic bullet' solutions local leaders keep coming up with (tell me how much Bass pro shop is gonna help a single east side resident). But the bigger question is how can you reduce taxes when nobody ever wants cuts in services?

BuffCity
March 22nd, 2005, 07:47 PM
well I guess my point on the first issue was just that the number of out of work homless drug keeping whores is very significant in Buffalo's East Side. ofcourse not everyone is like that. I guess what burns me the most is to see such a magnificantly beautiful city with working class roots, a tough breed who build many cities that now look down on it as a second class metro. My hope for Buffalo and even Rochester is to see the crazies, morons, druggies, some of the hookers (lol) and violent gangs be replaced by hard working american blue and white collar families...maybe I'm just stating the everyday truth, but it seems many of us get caught up in thinking corporate welfare is gonna save our economy here...that leads me to my next puke of the mouth...

Services and Quality of life issues when reducing tax rates? well lets look at it this way, if we all worked for the government we would have a communist or fully social system, unfortunately we are still capitalist here and private industry is the backbone of our economy, not only Nationally but locally as well. When the political system breaks down, politicians begin doing things for the good of themselves (like in Buffalo) and promise unreasonable treasures to their constituants, like community centers, added police coverage in areas already overcovered, the sense of security of leaving a fire station open not for logistics but rather centimentality...these are issues that plague Buffalo, and lets not forget the unjustified pay rates of career politicians and all the admin staff that are "needed so badly" with all this we get city/county/state/federal retirment and healthcare, and property thats not even included in the tax base like many non-for-profit locations all around the city...its many issues that make up my explanation, but if the well paying jobs, that are deversified enough to make a stable long term economy, thats will bring quality of life because people will have good paychecks and things will be of oportunity to those who want to grow here. Some of you might disagree, but hear me out on this...this is the bloody truth and you all know it...the cut backs in Buffalo are about 30 years slow and the city and county never downsized when all the industry left, they simply tried to keep people happy (voters) by increasing services, NOW it backfires.

ECoastTransplant
May 24th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Buffalo has nation's lowest home values, says report
Housing values are lower in Buffalo than in any other major city in America, according to a U.S. Census Bureau report that was issued Tuesday afternoon.

The typical owner-occupied home within the City of Buffalo was valued at $60,728 in 2003, based on the bureau's newly released estimates. :eek2:

That was the lowest figure within the study group of 88 cities, most of which have more than 250,000 residents. Buffalo's median home value was 56.5 percent below the national median of $139,759. (Median is a midpoint, with half of all home values in a specific community being higher and half being lower.)

The Census Bureau based its estimates on the American Community Survey, which generates detailed demographic data on an annual basis. Roughly 250,000 households across the nation are surveyed each month by the bureau.

The results reflect only the values of homes within major cities. Suburban property was not included.

San Francisco had the highest housing values of any city in the study, with a median of $607,065 as of 2003, the latest year for which estimates are available.

It was followed by three other California cities, San Jose ($481,099), San Diego ($376,773) and Oakland ($370,056). Rounding out the top five was Honolulu at $362,099.

The only city joining Buffalo below $70,000 was Pittsburgh, with a median value of $68,553 for owner-occupied houses. Also in the bottom five were Philadelphia ($74,364), San Antonio ($76,282) and El Paso ($76,537).

steel
May 25th, 2005, 03:58 AM
Philly is a bragin for a big east coast city.

NYC007
May 25th, 2005, 05:03 PM
Here's the kind of thing that gives the East side its infamous reputation. Not to mention that the first 10 minutes of the local news every night is dominated by stories of crime East of Main Street. Yes, this is sad.


Outgoing clerk slain in store's first robbery
By VANESSA THOMAS
News Staff Reporter
5/25/2005


Customers of Steve Hall's Automotive Center knew John W. Howard on a first-name basis.

John W. Howard was a gentle giant with golden heart.
At 6-feet-4 with a burly build, his gruff exterior was deceiving. Always smiling and making jokes, he was so friendly that many of his customers greeted him by name.

On Monday night, Howard, 22, was fatally shot as he worked at Steve Hall's Automotive Center on Bailey Avenue near East Ferry Street.

Howard, of Buffalo, was the only person working inside the automotive shop's convenience store. Police suspect that the killer entered the door, stood just feet away from Howard, and fired a single bullet at close range through the window partition that separated them.

Shot in the chest, Howard was pronounced dead at the scene.

Homicide investigators, who said the killer stole a small amount of cash, believe that robbery was the motive.

"We believe that John Howard was an innocent victim," Detective Sgt. James P. Lonergan said. "He's working at a service station and someone comes in for no reason, maybe just to get money, and shoots him to death. It's senseless, just terrible."

Homicide investigators continued to search for his killer Tuesday, urging anyone who saw anything suspicious at the automotive shop Monday night to contact police. Detectives said that there was no struggle and that the convenience store was not ransacked.

Howard had worked at the automotive center for two years. His main job was driving a tow truck, but he also was a store clerk and cashier, and performed mechanical jobs such as changing oil and tires. Reared in Cheektowaga, he moved to Buffalo a few months ago. He was one of six children.

On Tuesday, his oldest brother, Mark Howard, a manager at the business, stood inside the convenience store where his brother had been killed, tears welling up behind his glasses.

"I just hope they catch whoever did this," he said, staring blankly at the bullet hole in the window partition.

"It still feels like a dream. . . . Our tow truck driver called me. I was sleeping and I didn't think it was real. He told me brother was shot, he wasn't sure how he was and told me I better get down here. . . . I figured he might have been hurt, but not this."

The tow truck driver told police he last spoke to John Howard at about 8 p.m., when Howard dispatched him to a towing job. At about 10:40 p.m., the tow truck driver returned to the shop, at 2239 Bailey.

"The driver was coming back. He saw the lights on and thought it was weird because we close at 9 p.m. and came in here," said the brother.

The tow truck driver discovered the body.

John Howard attended both Maryvale and John F. Kennedy High schools in Cheektowaga, and lived in Sloan for 12 years before moving to Buffalo.

For the past few months, he lived on Lovejoy Street with his father, Gary Sr., and 19-year-old brother, Jeremy. His father is a retired die maker and his mother, Nellie, is a certified nursing aide at the Weinberg Campus in Getzville.

John Howard enjoyed computers, camping, playing video games and being with his family.

"He was a quiet person, low-key and mellow. He'd give you the shirt off his back," said his oldest brother.

"He was an overgrown teddy bear and he wouldn't hurt a fly," said his mother. "There was no reason for them to kill him, if they wanted money, he would have handed it to them.

"I'm just going through hell right now," she added, her voice cracking. "We just all love him very much."

The Bailey Avenue business has been a fixture on the East Side for 51 years. Employees said it had never before been robbed. A funeral for Howard will be held at noon Friday in Amigone Funeral Home, 569 Cleveland Drive, Cheektowaga. Burial will be in Acacia Park Cemetery, Pendleton.

buffman
October 11th, 2005, 04:25 AM
I just moved to an apartment in lackawanna from south buffalo I was new to the area and I had a day off work so I decided to get some excercise and I walked down ridge road and into the !st ward Eventually I got lost in a neighborhood I was unfamillar with and I was nervous it looked like I was in the roughest ghetto part of the city

sargeantcm
October 11th, 2005, 05:45 AM
I don't want to get all politcally incorrect here, but Buffalo needs a Rudy Guiliani, or whatever happened in that city to clean it up. And Byron Brown, as I've said before, is positively NOT the answer. A judgment that has no basis on the race question, it's more than skin-deep, so to say. Something fundamentally needs to change.

BuffCity
October 11th, 2005, 09:09 AM
Rudy could have Buffalo back in about 3 months if he listened to me!

Byron might get pushed around anyways, lets hope so

Third of a kind
October 11th, 2005, 11:33 PM
anybody got any pictures?..I'd love to see some photos of lackawanna and some of these places

ProudBuffalonian
October 13th, 2005, 06:23 AM
In 20 years I will run for mayor and hope will return. :cheers:

BuffCity
October 13th, 2005, 07:30 AM
You gonna take my spot when I'm all done?

it should be well working so it will be easy for you. :)

ProudBuffalonian
October 13th, 2005, 09:35 AM
If you're standing at the corner of Genesee and Moselle, and you're white, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TROUBLE. If you're black, and you're not wearing urban-style clothing, YOU SHOULD EXPECT TROUBLE. For some reason, whenever Canadians get lost in Buffalo, they always end up here. Go figure.

LMAO! The sad part is that its not a joke, its true! And it's not just Canadians, it's just about every other Buffalo tourist in the world. It's no mystery as to why Buffalo has so many bad stereotypes. Those silly Canucks...

You gonna take my spot when I'm all done?

it should be well working so it will be easy for you. :)

No, unfortunatley you lost in the primaries because of uneducated voters, and low turn out. Also your running mate was african-american, so you didn't stand a chance anyway. :jk:

BuffCity
October 13th, 2005, 12:23 PM
lol :eek2: :eek2: :eek2: