it's the biggest damn church i've ever seen

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how many homeless people do ya'll think this church can hold?
http://www.worshipspace.org/images/photos/projects/seccauditorium_400.jpg

I know what you're saying - the day of the communtiy based church is ending, in fact it is pretty much day in more affluent suburban areas where the concept of community is alien. Atlanta has a couple of those outside the perimeter, one of them from the First Baptist Church of Atlanta, who abandoned Midtown 10 years ago & abandoned Downtown over 50 years ago.

Where the Houston Rockets use to play is turning into a church. Lakewood.

I use to live down the street from First Baptist... it looks like they took an old big box distribution center and added a few architectural frills on it to turn it into a church. They thing has loading docks for semis! It's crazy.

But this is all part of the suburban way of life. Bigger is better and everything must be in its own pod. I wonder how many people can walk to any of these megachurches? Though I do have to give some of them credit for building retirement homes on or near the property. Too bad the design is such that they still have to run buses between the retirement home and the church to get them past the sea of parking. Not all old folks are unable to walk short distances and I'm sure they would like to be able to walk to church if they could.

how many homeless people do ya'll think this church can hold?
http://www.worshipspace.org/images/photos/projects/seccauditorium_400.jpg

^Fairly trite response.

Think that place has suites, club seating, etc.?

I wonder what it costs to sit close-down, upfront at courtside. lol

Think that place has suites, club seating, etc.?

I wonder what it costs to sit close-down, upfront at courtside. lol

I'm sure the more you give the closer you get to sit. After all, it looks like a sports arena. Why would anyone want to worship in a place like that?

You should check out Calvary church in Charlotte, right off hwy 51. Biggest damn pink church I have ever seen.

Here are some pics of Calvary, by the way I read that the sanctuary seats 5000+

http://www.danmillermusic.com/images/90-08-25-CalvaryDed.jpg

http://images.newsx.cc/News14Charlotte_Media/2004/9/6/images/01____05-church.jpg

WalChurch.

That looks about the size of that baptist church on Stuebner Airline in Spring. The thing looks like the world's biggest High-School.

You should check out Calvary church in Charlotte, right off hwy 51. Biggest damn pink church I have ever seen.

I've seen it. The back side is made out of cinderblocks or something like that. They must have run out of money.

Wow, and I thought University Park on Beatties Ford was big....I've seen the outside of Calvary but not the inside. Huge.

there is a church in plano about that big....

it has basketball courts, and everything in between.

There's a megachurch in Orlando that has a coffeeshop, in the lobby, called 'Holy Grounds'. :cool:

Southeast Christian Church in Louisville is the 3rd largest sanctuary in the United States. The place seats somewhere near 10,000 people. Plus, the church has two or three other "chapels" that are used for the weekday masses. Also there are basketball, racquetball, and volleyball courts in the gym that is also attached to the church. The place is out of control, I have never seen a church campus so big!

I've seen it. The back side is made out of cinderblocks or something like that. They must have run out of money.

That's not surprising. Just like McMansions with impressive fronts but cheap siding on the back and sides, these building are meant to make superficial impression rather than be a great work of architecture. Sadly, most buildings of the late 20th and early 21st century in the US are all about appearing to be something they're not rather than spending the money and effort on being the real thing. You have to wonder what future generations will patern their architecture on since this generation is obsessed with mocking up facades that merely simulate a particular style.

Brad:

Is the Wal-Church a place to go to McWorship? :)

Brad:

Is the Wal-Church a place to go to McWorship? :)

It's built on the golden rule that due to quantity, the savings are passed to the consumer...

(that & the bibles are manufactured at sweat shops in thailand)

Egad, we're getting one of these monuments to religious greed here in Tampa, where Idlewild Baptist is working on its new complex, whose cost will exceed $100m by a considerable amount (I forget the exact figure.

Indeed, I wonder how many good deeds could have been done with those tithes, were it not for ego.

I know that southeast has a congregation of around 40,000 people, I have relatives who go there. Does building a large church have to be greedy? It's seems to me that some churches simply need the space. The thread just seems to put down those "megachurches", by the way to sit in the front of southeast you simply have to arrive early enough, you don't have to give anything.
Like the rest of the world, churches aren't perfect, I know I've been going my whole life, but this thread is treating them like they're money hungry and only care about profit and showing off. Churches do spend money on things other than themselves. I don't know of any church that doesn't give back to the community, and a lot of them go even father out to third world countries.
I know most people on here are very liberal and hate religion, suburbs, and big businesses, and all those who are involved with them, but at least think before you respond. "Wal-church" how lame of a comment is that. Wal-mart is everywhere because they did something right ( is all goes back to a very good inventory system), the same goes for McDonalds. Both of these companies where both small at one time. Some people need to get thier heads out of thier socialistic clouds and think reasonably.

While I'm at it I want to say something else, why does everybody on here think that the suburbs and everbody who lives in them are just lifeless,numb, and have no feelings what so ever. Suburbs can't be soo bad and evil if they're so popular, people like having backyards for thier dog and kids, whats the harm in that. Not everybody likes to be able to stand on thier front porch and pee on thier neighbors front porch. Yes chains are the norm for suburbs, there is a demand for restaurants, grocery stores, and so on. Who else is better suited to fill such a large demand than corporations with millions of dollars to expand. If there were only mom and pop stores then we all would have to have our own deli, gas station, general store, and so on to meet demand. As far as the loss of "comunity" in suburbs, All I got to say is that most people know thier neighbors, I know mine really good, as well as many other people outside of my street. Many new suburbs are building club houses with pools and so on. Even more have block parties and neighborhood associations.

I know that southeast has a congregation of around 40,000 people, I have relatives who go there. Does building a large church have to be greedy? It's seems to me that some churches simply need the space. The thread just seems to put down those "megachurches", by the way to sit in the front of southeast you simply have to arrive early enough, you don't have to give anything.
Like the rest of the world, churches aren't perfect, I know I've been going my whole life, but this thread is treating them like they're money hungry and only care about profit and showing off. Churches do spend money on things other than themselves. I don't know of any church that doesn't give back to the community, and a lot of them go even father out to third world countries.
I know most people on here are very liberal and hate religion, suburbs, and big businesses, and all those who are involved with them, but at least think before you respond. "Wal-church" how lame of a comment is that. Wal-mart is everywhere because they did something right ( is all goes back to a very good inventory system), the same goes for McDonalds. Both of these companies where both small at one time. Some people need to get thier heads out of thier socialistic clouds and think reasonably.

the main issue i have with "mega churches" is that they are typical of trends in the US; mass production. the priest cannot get a chance to get to know his parishoners becuase there are 20,000 of them. yes, it's getting to be like mcgod or wal-church. bigger isn't always better.

if i was religious i would want to attend service/ mass in a building like this:

http://www.czechsite.com/images/genealogy/church.jpg

...where you don't need a pair of binoculars to see the priest. that thing soulbrotha posted is better suited for a U2 concert.

I agree. Some people go to those mega churches for the right reasons, but more of them go because they want to be seen in their new designer clothes or their new sports car. Bigger is not always better. Its the same reason I don't shop in Walmart.

Thats what I immediately thougth when I saw it. Church for me was always about community as well as worshipping, and with that large of a facility it just seems like it would be a giant inner city high school or something, but who knows, I would never go to one, probably just because of what I am used to, the congregation I grew up with had 60 people....I couldnt imagine 40 grand!

I completely agree with you too waccamatt, I remember going to a giant church they had just built in an LA burb and it was like a grand opening for a ritz, they even had valets ... it was just straaaange. Like card04 said churches give money but how much freaking more could they do without building an office building-esque church. It is my opinion of course, but I think it is greed induced garbage. Some people have church in tents for god sakes.

When Billy Graham came to Louisville he filled up a 40,000 seat staduim (Papa Johns Cardinal Stadium) the reason being is that he is a well-known, well respected, pastor. This isn't too different from the reason most of these churches, they just have well-respected pastors who give really good sermons. They also have a lot of things for those who like to get involved in church. These two factors would naturally draw in people to the chuch. I do agree that valet is a little bit on the rediculous side, but like I said churches aren't perfect, there is a pride thing that goes with building large stadium-like churches, but if you have a huge congregation it would be necessary to build them.

"if you have a huge congregation it would be necessary to build them."

That is the only point I could see to building such a large facility, AND I do find the recreational facilities a nice touch to these. (Billy Graham = :(, but that is a matter of opinion :)) Do you go to that church?

Southeast Christian is the largest church in the state of Kentucky. As for the comments so far...as a Christian Minister I must agree....mega churches are too big. Church is a community. It is hard enough to minister to a group of 40-60, I shack my head when I see churches that big. Yes, they do offer programs for folks but they loose the personal touch. In my professional opinion, the best thing for churches to do is not keep growing into the 1000's and build bigger buildings..but to form more smaller churches. In areas that a church is needed. A lot of faith groups are doing just that now.

It's all a matter of opinion, some people can find a sense of community in these large churches, in a sense they are like small communities, some people hate the idea of a large church. Thats fine, its their choice,but I just don't consider it greedy for a church to build large facilities if they are needed. I am not a member of Southeast Schris, but I have been there several times and have friends and family who go there. Most people go to southeast for thier programs, a lot of which only a large church could pull off.

This is probably going to make some of you mad, but I think these megachurches are a symptom of the decay of the corporate church. They're such an unnecessary waste of money that could be used for much more important work. What's the point in trying to build the prettiest and biggest building to impress enough people to attend? Couldn't more modest buildings be built so that more money could be spent on missions and the truly important stuff. I just don't see the point in spending millions upon millions of dollars on the building and adding things like state of the art basketball gyms to be used as "youth centers". Talk about misplaced priorities. :eek2:

This is probably going to make some of you mad, but I think these megachurches are a symptom of the decay of the corporate church. They're such an unnecessary waste of money that could be used for much more important work. What's the point in trying to build the prettiest and biggest building to impress enough people to attend? Couldn't more modest buildings be built so that more money could be spent on missions and the truly important stuff. I just don't see the point in spending millions upon millions of dollars on the building and adding things like state of the art basketball gyms to be used as "youth centers". Talk about misplaced priorities. :eek2:


I agree ENTIRELY, and I think thats what a few people where trying to get at.

People who attend church consider it God's house, so a lot of churches see building a beautiful building as sort of a shrine to God. If thats a misplaced priority then I guess we should tear down all the huge beautiful cathedrals in Europe, talk about a waste those buildings are just as huge but don't sit nearly as many people. How is it that any other group in the world, be it a business, government, whatever, can build as big and elaporate as they want and it's ok, even praised, but if a church does it, no matter how large it's congregation is, it is viewed on here as misplaced priorities. It's ok for a city to invest millions upon millions into convention centers, entertainment centers, arenas, and so on, when they have a portion of thier population living under poverty, but not for a church because they should invest every penny they make above what they absolutely need into charity. All of those youth centers that are built for churhes are for the youth. They are open to anybody who wants to use it. I know my church gym is open every wednesday for kids in the neighborhood to use. Southeast as well as many other churches have youth leagues, yes most the kids in Southeast's league are probably upper middle class, like most the people who are at Southeast, but it's not like Southeast makes that a requirement. Besides just because a kid has money doesn't mean they can't use a little good influence from something like a youth group to keep them away from drugs and so on.

How often does this church leave its doors open to house homeless people? God knows it could house a lot of em... Isn't that what curches where originally ment to be anyway?

I've seen it. The back side is made out of cinderblocks or something like that. They must have run out of money.

its the same as the front.

its a massive church just down the road from me. i'd post photos - but i'm lazy. i might get some tomorrow on my way past it, if i'm not speeding down 51 trying to wish suburbia didnt exist.

How often does this church leave its doors open to house homeless people? God knows it could house a lot of em... Isn't that what curches where originally ment to be anyway?

Church buildings weren't meant to house homeless people.

Not just to house the homeless, but they did open their doors to them if they needed it. I took a clas, and it used to be that alot of churches left their doors unlocked through the night so people could have shelter if they needed it.

Not just to house the homeless, but they did open their doors to them if they needed it. I took a clas, and it used to be that alot of churches left their doors unlocked through the night so people could have shelter if they needed it.

Many churches have homeless ministries, either themselves, in conjunction with other churches, or civic organizations, that address this very need. So it isn't necessary for them to set up homeless refugee camps in their sanctuaries/main worship areas, which it seems as though you were implying.

But churches did though. Especially black churches, and quaker churches.

sort of like this

Man's Death Spurs Debate
at Columbia Road Church
February 3, 2005
By Bill Forry
Managing Editor

The fallout from the death of a South Boston man, who froze to death outside of Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta Catholic church last month, has prompted a parish meeting to discuss the Columbia Road church's policy towards opening its chapel as a shelter from the cold.

According to the church's pastor, Rev. Paul Soper, his decision to leave the church's basement worship space open and unlocked - as an emergency haven for the homeless - has been met with strong opposition from many parishioners, prompting him to reverse the policy effective February 1. Soper said he decided to leave the chapel doors open around the clock after he learned of Richard Lanoue's death on Jan. 17.

Churchgoers filing out of the nine o'clock Mass at Blessed Mother Teresa church that Monday morning discovered Lanoue's snow-covered body along the Dorchester Ave. side of the church grounds, not far from the entrance to the chapel. An autopsy performed by the Suffolk County Medical Examiner's office showed that he had died of "accidental hypothermia."

In a letter to parishioners to be published in the church bulletin this weekend, Soper explained that he had encountered Lanoue outside of Blessed Mother Teresa church one day before his death. On the day that the 43-year-old man's body was discovered, Soper was en route to the Caribbean with a group of parishioners who are assisting a sister parish in the Dominican Republic.

"You may know that that [Lanoue] and I had encountered each other on Saturday, and that I had given him a blanket, but hadn't done anything else," Soper wrote. "I got back from the Dominican about 1 a.m. on Friday morning, to find that he had died, and that in nine hours I would be doing his funeral. I cried bitterly all night, filled with remorse at my inaction the previous weekend, and vowed that I was going to do something - whatever I could - to prevent it from happening again."

Soper said that he had long considered opening the basement chapel to parishioners for night prayer and not strictly as a haven from the cold. However, he acknowledged in his letter that the decision was "based on the anguish of the event."

State Rep. Martin Walsh, whose district includes the Columbia Road parish, said this week that Soper's Jan. 21 decision to leave the basement chapel unlocked at all hours prompted an immediate, negative response from the community.

"I must have had 10 to 15 calls this week from parishioners concerned about the chapel being open and unsupervised 24 hours a day," said Walsh. "I think Fr. Paul's taking a proactive approach. There are other services out there, like the Pine Street Inn and other places to call to take people to shelters if they need it. I think he understands now that he needs to have more dialogue with parish and let people decide what they want to see happen at the church."

In his open letter to the parish, Soper emphasized that the open-door policy has been reversed, but writes, "now I and we have a problem."

"As followers of Jesus and readers of the gospel, we believe that God's goodness should be made known to all, and we care about the poor. I sincerely and earnestly believe that you feel the pressure of these commitments just as deeply as I do - that you are just as concerned as I am about caring for the poor," Soper wrote.

"My decision to open the chapel came from my concern about those commitments. I want us now, together, to talk and pray about how we can meet them," Soper wrote.

A parish meeting will be held on Tuesday, February 8 at 7 p.m. to discuss the issue, Soper said. The meeting will be held in Dunn Hall, adjacent to the chapel.

At least one other Dorchester Catholic parish, Holy Family Parish on Hartford Street, uses part of its church facility to house homeless men year-round. A large section of that church's basement is leased to Pine Street Inn, which operates the shelter for approximately 40 adult men. Another nearby congregation, Pilgrim Church in Uphams Corner, also collaborates with a non-profit group to provide emergency shelter.

Pine Street Inn spokeswoman Shepley Metcalf said that the shelter has outreach vans on call "every night of the year" to respond to calls about at-risk people exposed to the elements.

"People do call our vans at night and we come out to offer rides back to the shelter," Metcalf said. "Sometimes people will take us up on it, sometimes they do not. But, generally, Pine Street's doors are always open. We would encourage people to come here or another established shelter. That's what we exist to do, to be a refuge and provide medical care and food."

Jim Greene, the acting director of the city of Boston's Emergency Shelter Commission, said that he respects Soper's "compassion."

"We would love to talk with him about ways to put that compassion into action in way that has broader support and collaboration," said Greene, pointing to Holy Family and Pilgrim Church as possible models. "We would encourage anyone trying to figure out how to respond to people who at risk in the cold to contact the Emergency Shelter Commission and to talk to other service providers as well."

According to the city's Emergency Shelter Commission, the population of homeless on Boston's streets has shot up by 10 percent in the last decade. A census conducted last December counted 5,819 homeless men, women and children in shelters. According to the city, 299 individuals were found living on the streets, an increase of 30 percent from the year before.

Greene said his office can be reached at 617-635-4507.

Anyone aware of a person at extreme risk of exposure should call 911, Greene said.
http://www.dotnews.com/deathstirsdebateatBMT.html

That is certainly an unfortunate event, and I'm saddened by reading it. However, I really do not think that it is feasible to leave a portion of a church building open 24 hrs. a day without supervision, and if it is with supervision, that's one more person to be paid. I believe it would have been better had the church teamed up with one of the local homeless shelters to canvas the area and provide shelter for those who needed it. I'm not opposed to allowing a few individuals to spend the night in the church building every once in a while, but the fact of the matter is that people don't reverence churches like they used to. Vandalization and even arson are very real possibilities today.

I think this portion of the article is the most reasonable in this scenario:

At least one other Dorchester Catholic parish, Holy Family Parish on Hartford Street, uses part of its church facility to house homeless men year-round. A large section of that church's basement is leased to Pine Street Inn, which operates the shelter for approximately 40 adult men. Another nearby congregation, Pilgrim Church in Uphams Corner, also collaborates with a non-profit group to provide emergency shelter.

Pine Street Inn spokeswoman Shepley Metcalf said that the shelter has outreach vans on call "every night of the year" to respond to calls about at-risk people exposed to the elements.

So people working in churches are that concerned about getting paid? I'm muslim, and none of the Imams( they're the islamic equivalent of pastors) get paid. I think christianity has become to much about money, and we can see this by these mega churches. Even the pastor I know says that.

I can't go to sleep at night without seeing some program with a reverend asking for money on t.v...in fact, there is one on now...let me change the channel....its Benny hinn

While it is true that many churches are too money-driven, that wasn't my point, and I apologize if my response wasn't clear. It's not so much that the person overseeing the portion of the church that's used to take in the homeless temporarily is getting paid, but in the long run, is it worth it? As I've stated, it's sad that this happened, but how often does it happen, and if these folks don't go to homeless shelters, will they go to a church or church-run facility? Again that's why I favored that particular portion of the article that I placed in quotes. Churches who have homeless ministries should partner with local organizations, or have some sort of program in place that oversees this kind of thing within their own facilities.

It shouldn't have to be worth it, we all know the bible says take care of people in need, it doesn't necessarily say you have to benifit from it. And from my conversations with most ministers, they beleive the church should do what the bible says. And my point is, a church as big as the one pictured on page one, has lots of money. Thats obiovus. Why did they spend it on a church that looks like a football stadium instead of helping the needy? I bet the money spent on that church could pay for the housing of a hundred people, maybe more, and they'd still have a little money left over to build a modest sized church....

But hey, for all i know they could already be serving the homeless. But still, why such a large church?

http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles2262.jpg

but then again, its their money, or is it god's money?

Just because we're speaking of a church does not mean that they should just flippantly spend money where, over the long run, the money could have best been spent elsewhere, such as supporting a homeless shelter or something like that. And the two things that are being spoken of, building a nice, large worship facility and helping the needy, are NOT mutually exclusive. It is not an "either/or" situation. I actually visited the church's website, and they have had explosive growth since the time they were founded. The fact of the matter is, the people need somewhere to worship, and it shouldn't have to be "cheap" simply because they are a church. It should be something of quality that will last; in other words, a good investment. And from perusing their website, they do a whole lot to help the community. Again, helping the needy and having a quality facility are not mutually exclusive. And that's all I really have to say about that.

Thank you Krazeeboi, at least somebody on here has my view. Soulbrother unless you have you house open to homeless people year around, and you feed them, then you really have nothing to say. Every church I have ever been to has a tie to some charity. All through high school I was a member of my church youth group, every summer we went on mission trips to help, you guessed it homeless people. There are many other groups in my church that do the same. I know that Southeast does this, only the do more because they are larger.
"But hey, for all i know they could already be serving the homeless", this kinda kills this whole arguement don't you think? How many people who don't attend regularly these churches, or any christian church for that matter, can criticize the way they spend thier money. That would be like some narrow minded redneck saying that all Islamic churhes spend all thier money supporting terrorist. We all know this is far from the truth. A lot of people on here who are attacking "megachurches", don't attend them, so how can they with 100% accuracy criticize them.

If i had a four story, multi-million dollar house built from other peoples money, then I would definatley use it to house homeless people...I don't have those means, Southeast christian church does. I just think it would be nice if they put them to use. I mean how often is that church even full? Exccept maybe on sunday's. Put it to use all week, and year round.

We have people dying at waterfront park under bridges, and people sleeping on park benches. Is there a problem if I question why a church this large can't open its doors to the homeless?
If you've been paying attention to the news, you would know Louisville's homeless programs have been cut $3.1 million this year, so they can't do it all by themselves.

And you can't even compare my mosque to this church. My mousqe has been in a shotgun house on Magazine street in the west end for years, it couldn't come close to building a structure like SEC church. And its open all night long to whoever. I bet you could go walk in now. They never lock the doors.

Look at that building...it's so artificial and plastic. It could be an office building. What in the world possesses people to want to belong to a 40,000 member church?

I think you'd be better off asking why that church doesn't simply build a homeless shelter instead of housing them in the church building. It's not simply enough to have a roof over one's head. There must be adequate bathroom facilities, kitchen facilities, and housing units; the law requires this. That church wasn't meant to function like that (nor any church that I know of), so housing the homeless there would not be feasible. Furthermore, if they were to house them, then how would the church have services? Make the homeless attend services in return for having a roof over their heads? Or transport them to another facility while services are in progress, only to have to transport them back? None of these options are feasible. Again, I think the quote in the article concerning joining up with organizations that already do this is the most feasible. Furthermore, why single out Southeast? Why don't all worship facilities, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, regardless of size, just convert all of their buildings into homeless shelters? Every little bit helps, right?

I don't think this is anywhere near an "either/or" situation as you make it out to be, but is rather more of a "both/and" situation. I'm sure you'd ask these same questions had the church built a more "modest looking" building, as the REAL issue here probably has little to do with the homeless situation in Louisville anyway.

Look at that building...it's so artificial and plastic. It could be an office building. What in the world possesses people to want to belong to a 40,000 member church?

So these "megachurches" went from being multi million-dollar palaces to artificial and plastic? What in the world possesses people to criticize what they don't know anything about. It seems to me that people on here are just trying to find ways to attack to the Chrisitain Church. I've heard many stereotypes about christians being narrow minded. but I think most people in here take the cake. It seems like most people in here are so caught up in your little world where everything in the suburbs is evil,artificial, and cheap, including the people. If they're christian and make over the median income level than they're narrow minded and greedy on top of that.

It's clear that no body that has attacked these "megachurches" has ever actually been to one. Yeah you can preach, all you want, but I doubt highly that any of you actually research the things that churches do for the communities. These churches build large facilities because they have huge congregations. All churches are elaborate to an extent, these churches arent anymore elaborate than thier smaller counter parts, they are simply bigger so everything is on a bigger scale. People are atracted to these churched because there is soo much to get envolved with, a lot of which, if not most is mission work, which help those who are in need.

Soulbrother I've spent a good amount of time working with the homeless...THROUGH MY CHURCH which isn't huge but isn't small by any means, and we have an elevator, and are currently renovating our sanctuary which has been the same for over 30 years. A few years ago our gym was remodeled. We have it opened ever Wednesday for neighborhood kids to enjoy, and even use it to feed the elderly a few times a week. Just because a church doesn't use it's facilities to sleep homeless people doesn't mean they don't put it to good use, the same goes with money. I Know my relatives who attend southeast have gone to Mexico City several times to help the poverty stricken in that country.

Back when I gave a flip about religion the church I attended left its doors open 24 hrs, and I assumed all churches, at least Catholic ones, did the same. I don't know that any homeless people stayed there but I remember going in after midnight once.

Soul, whats city-data.com? it is inaccurate.

i don't know, did i use information from city-data.com?

DUH everyone should cater to bottom feeders, the unemployed and baby manufacturers...even CHURCHES

i don't know, did i use information from city-data.com?

If you didnt you sure illegally used giant graphics from them LOL

^ IE http://www.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles2262.jpg



White suburban racist dickhead OUT :)

its called google.

Google is but a search engine you still got your shit from them moron

i got a link.http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=southeast+christian+church&spell=1

LOL you cant EVER admit your wrong can you victim, the link that you got was from city-data.com ..... which is a shitty in-accurate site, that is what he was saying. Picture maybe, but it was from that site. You can even see it from that link.

wrong about what? Is the picture doctored or something?

The site is inaccurate about facts and figures...the picture is fine if it showed up.

Did i use facts and figures from the site?

I was talking about what gych meant you tard. You used a graphic from the site he said soemthing and you claimed to have never heard of the site blah blah....


Anyways on your little trip I guess walmart should take in homeless since they are 3489563 square feet and shit maybe the aegon center since it closes at night...


I dont know about you but I was kicked out at 14 and was homeless andmade my way up and have a car and live in a lovely brick home so my message to the homeless...shave and get a FUCKING job LOL.... boo hooooooooo

I didn't even look at the site i just right clicked the image from google and linked the picture. next thing i know here you come talking about skinheads.

I dont know about you but I was kicked out at 14 and was homeless andmade my way up and have a car and live in a lovely brick home so my message to the homeless...shave and get a FUCKING job LOL.... boo hooooooooo

You were kicked out of a home by your parents or parent...i assume? Not forced out because of economic hardship....

Skinheads? quote me?

Yeah my parents.....who cares same deal when your homeless your homeless, get a job, work your way up dont cry and complain, I dont feel sorry for shit.

Cut to me driving a 03 Jeep and living in a nice house close to what I want and not complaining?

I dont get it....explain if you have the guts

Skinheads? quote me?

Yeah my parents.....who cares same deal when your homeless your homeless, get a job, work your way up dont cry and complain, I dont feel sorry for shit.

Cut to me driving a 03 Jeep and living in a nice house close to what I want and not complaining?

I dont get it....explain if you have the guts


oh "racist dickheads"..same thing...they both make no sense.

At 14, you had options grown homeless men and woman don't have...you had a home to go back to...if you're even telling the truth.

Oh I was just going off your stereotype that everyone in the suburbs is trying to keep you down LOL.

LOL I am telling the truth anyways grown men and women have more options than a 14 year old has...they can work. I have nothing to prove to you, all I am saying is welfare whores have no place in society and I know for a fact that is most of what is out there in your little money grubbing area. Boohoo my moms house is 29k area. My house is 220k and I worked from NOTHING to get it. I know you may be in college well great get the fuck out of that trashy hood get a job make some money and live where you wanna. People can do what they desire and whining and killing and drug dealing doesnt get you there is what I am saying.

Waht do you do victimized Abdul? Gaurantee if you have a full time job or at least a part time one with school (like many friends of mine have WITH SCHOOL) you can at least afford to be in Shively, with all the ghetto chains you desire.

Oh I was just going off your stereotype that everyone in the suburbs is trying to keep you down LOL.

LOL I am telling the truth anyways grown men and women have more options than a 14 year old has...they can work. I have nothing to prove to you, all I am saying is welfare whores have no place in society and I know for a fact that is most of what is out there in your little money grubbing area. Boohoo my moms house is 29k area. My house is 220k and I worked from NOTHING to get it. I know you may be in college well great get the fuck out of that trashy hood get a job make some money and live where you wanna. People can do what they desire and whining and killing and drug dealing doesnt get you there is what I am saying.

Waht do you do victimized Abdul? Gaurantee if you have a full time job or at least a part time one with school (like many friends of mine have WITH SCHOOL) you can at least afford to be in Shively, with all the ghetto chains you desire.


Don't blame me for calling yourself a racist...you're like the only person I know that got kicked out of the house and was on homeless for four years untill they hit adulthood without ever getting picked up by social services...you're special.

Guess what? I don't care how much you're house costs....wrong thread anyway.

My hoods not trashy, how would you know? You've never been there.

How do you know how much you're mothers house cost, didn't she kick you out at 14? Must've kissed and made up.

What does me being in college have to do with anything? Must've looked at my website, thanks i'll chalk that hit up...Anyway, you're drifting way off topic and into an area you don't want to be in.

Waht do you do victimized Abdul?

wha wha wha what?

I love how you like to tell people where they have been.

You like to generalize on the west end and I have alot more familiarity with it than you think. I know there are nicer parts and shittier parts you have never really said where you live just that you hate Louisville because of it, or the shitty killers that live in it and you constantly post articles on it. Anyhow I have been in the west end alot...in fact my grandma died there...even after all the criminals took it over and kept breaking into her house.

Dont blame ME for calling myself a racist, now abusl, THAT doesnt make sense, because you are the one who is calling everyone in the suburbs white, whether they be any race LOL. I guess if you worked for what you have your white LOL but all the poor people out in your land like to pioint out that we keep them down when I could care less. And its not about race fattie bumpkins its about being a loser and complaining.

Personally I dont care about how much my house was...my point was I went from zero to this and not by some weird scheme...just normal living...how hard can it be right.

How am I drifting into an arena I dont wanna be in...booga booga I am so scared of the little west end whiner that complains he doesnt live near a Wal Mart. My point was that you whine about murder and drugs and blabbety freakin blah and you have even more of a chance of anyone to break into a place where you can live right next door to your great Krogers and Wal Mart if you have education GOOD FOR YOU lol.

wha wha wha what?

Exactly what I said, you whine and whine and whine about your victimized community....what do you do? I am from skid row in LA....I WORKED...(you know work for money and stuff) and moved out of there I didnt stick there and wait for shit to come to me. So if you DO stuff even working at walmart making 7 an hour you can afford to live at least off goldsmith..... No one feels sorry for you bitch...whine all you want but do something if you wanna break out

I love how you like to tell people where they have been.

You like to generalize on the west end and I have alot more familiarity with it than you think. I know there are nicer parts and shittier parts you have never really said where you live just that you hate Louisville because of it, or the shitty killers that live in it and you constantly post articles on it. Anyhow I have been in the west end alot...in fact my grandma died there...even after all the criminals took it over and kept breaking into her house.

Dont blame ME for calling myself a racist, now abusl, THAT doesnt make sense, because you are the one who is calling everyone in the suburbs white, whether they be any race LOL. I guess if you worked for what you have your white LOL but all the poor people out in your land like to pioint out that we keep them down when I could care less. And its not about race fattie bumpkins its about being a loser and complaining.

Personally I dont care about how much my house was...my point was I went from zero to this and not by some weird scheme...just normal living...how hard can it be right.

How am I drifting into an arena I dont wanna be in...booga booga I am so scared of the little west end whiner that complains he doesnt live near a Wal Mart. My point was that you whine about murder and drugs and blabbety freakin blah and you have even more of a chance of anyone to break into a place where you can live right next door to your great Krogers and Wal Mart if you have education GOOD FOR YOU lol.

The demographics from the CENSUS say the area i was talking about, St. MAtthews, is 94.4% white...so how am i stereotyping when i say that area is white? Nobody called you a white racist..except you...

you want to see the nicer parts of the west end?
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You want to see bad parts?
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i'm not moving out the west end to live next door to a walmart.

You personally don't care about how much your house cost? Again...neither do I.

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You're drifting into an area you don't want to be in because you don't know me. You might know my name, and the other stuff thats on my site, but thats it.

Fattie bumkins...thats supposed to make me angry or somthing?

I constantly post articles about the west end, and will continue.

St Matts is ONE suburban area for one LOL.

If I said WOW the west end is poor and its all black and it is ghetto AND most the crimes in the city come from there well lets just let you reply on that :).

I dont need to see your tacky pics I have an automobile and I have explored my city.

You dont wanna live next to a walmar but repeatedly you want to see big box development in your community...again you confuse me.

Telemarketer with thumbs up...I dont understand ... must be some west end thing?

I dont care what I know about you...you are poor....you complain...you complain....you complain...so fixing thing must not be THAT important to you LOL.

I dont try to go to the west end btw...I give a few of my friends rides whose poor welfare fucker parent happen to live there.

No I was not trying to offend you, but you are rich enough to be fat, so your rich enough to move into one of the poverse areas near a walmart OH such as bashford manor WHICH by the way is NOT the highlands...neither is the area of the movie theater which you earlier said was.

You post articles CONSTANTLY on the west end yes wooo ... no one cares. You go in the development thread and say wow some pregnant lady got shot YAY, oooh someone got stabbed oh we should all have a silent moment...get real ABDUL...LOL.

Exactly what I said, you whine and whine and whine about your victimized community....what do you do? I am from skid row in LA....I WORKED...(you know work for money and stuff) and moved out of there I didnt stick there and wait for shit to come to me. So if you DO stuff even working at walmart making 7 an hour you can afford to live at least off goldsmith..... No one feels sorry for you bitch...whine all you want but do something if you wanna break out

There you go again telling me stuff I really don't care about. Did i say i want to live off goldsmith? NO

What do I do? I've compiled the largest database of photography specializing in vacant homes in the west end. Howard Bingham is using my photos in his upcoming book about Muhammad ALi's childhood in parkland.

My photos are being used by metro united way
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motorcycle clubs
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and other groups in Louisville.

do i need a big brick house to prove it? No, do i want one? No.. do i want a 2003 jeep? no....Do i want to be in anyway like you...hell no..

So stop asking, stop implying, and stop telling me to move out of the west end....

and by the way i'm quite in shape..no fattie here.

St Matts is ONE suburban area for one LOL.

If I said WOW the west end is poor and its all black and it is ghetto AND most the crimes in the city come from there well lets just let you reply on that :).




WEll where are you talking about in the west end? I specified where i was talking about (st. matthews) it is a white area...and i showed demographics that proved it....now you prove what you need to prove with real data.

^ LOL who the fuck cares...I could take pics of shit too.

Oh so ya dont work? You claim to be so hot and heavy good for you ... MOVE if you have all you want lol. Dont complain about the city not feeding you with the mayors hand :( And having to take the bus and all your poor friends. LOL.

As far as you being nasty and fat...Ive seen your pics you have posted you sure arent starving LOL.

WEll where are you talking about in the west end? I specified where i was talking about (st. matthews) it is a white area...and i showed demographics that proved it....now you prove what you need to prove with real data.

Your an idiot...excluding portland the west end is black, you have posted the data yourself dont play

^ LOL who the fuck cares...

what do you do?

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Your an idiot...excluding portland the west end is black, you have posted the data yourself dont play


I know its black, who said it wasn't? You said all the other stuff now you back it up with statistics.

Your last post was a series of dots.....I dont know what you meant...go ask your teacher mama to translate.

I know its black, who said it wasn't? You said all the other stuff now you back it up with statistics.

You said you wanted stats on the west end and asked what part I was talking about ....


St. matts is a wealthy area so...

There is about 20 other areas, you just choose to pick one of the most wealthy areas so you can play victim victimerson

^ LOL who the fuck cares...I could take pics of shit too.

Oh so ya dont work? You claim to be so hot and heavy good for you ... MOVE if you have all you want lol. Dont complain about the city not feeding you with the mayors hand :( And having to take the bus and all your poor friends. LOL.

As far as you being nasty and fat...Ive seen your pics you have posted you sure arent starving LOL.


post a picture of yourself and then open your mouth.

me,

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i'm you're modern day fat bastard.
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Since when did fat jokes come back anyway?...seems like you're stuck in the year you got kicked out of the house.

You said you wanted stats on the west end and asked what part I was talking about ....


St. matts is a wealthy area so...

There is about 20 other areas, you just choose to pick one of the most wealthy areas so you can play victim victimerson
give me the stats

area code.....do 40212

You said you wanted stats on the west end and asked what part I was talking about ....


St. matts is a wealthy area so...

There is about 20 other areas, you just choose to pick one of the most wealthy areas so you can play victim victimerson


I chose St.Matthews because thats where the mall is.

Your last post was a series of dots.....I dont know what you meant...go ask your teacher mama to translate.

Go ask you're mother...oh thats right...she kicked you out.

For one...you arent lean LOL... that isnt the point here .. if I posted a pic of me youd call me a honkey or some shit....

I dont care what I know about you...you are poor....you complain...you complain....you complain...so fixing thing must not be THAT important to you LOL.

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Yeah, i expressed my fealings in one thread, but who really has their panties in a bundle? Not to mention the majority of stuff i said in that thread was positive.

Go ask you're mother...oh thats right...she kicked you out.


LOL my mom is a fuckin bitch...but on the real my whole point was at 14 I left with nothing ZERO and I never reall complained about what I did or didnt have....and I do well....If a kid can get a goal anyone can...STOP BEING A VICTIM is the best advice

Yeah, i expressed my fealings in one thread, but who really has their panties in a bundle? Not to mention the majority of stuff i said in that thread was positive.


Be real...most of the shit you say on here is about death or the man or people hating 'the big bad west end' lol....

I chose St.Matthews because thats where the mall is.


That should tell you something but there are more malls...try uhhh err Okalona? At least they have some wealth too though.

LOL my mom is a fuckin bitch...but on the real my whole point was at 14 I left with nothing ZERO and I never reall complained about what I did or didnt have....and I do well....If a kid can get a goal anyone can...STOP BEING A VICTIM is the best advice

There you go again...you don't want to hear about the west end, but you keep telling your sob story.

No one is a victim, who's dead? who's down and out? who's given up? NOBODY......When it comes down to it, was my thread talking to you? No Have I ever said your name in a thread? No..Did i say positive stuff about Louisville that have been ignored for about the last 5 pages? Yes.

Be real...most of the shit you say on here is about death or the man or people hating 'the big bad west end' lol....

I've said something about the man? Quote me. 'The big bad west end' I don't have to label it as such being that i live there, I'm not a passer-thru. I see the west end in ways you will never.

give me the stats

area code.....do 40212

Honestly I dont know how to run ZIP CODES. Maybe I am just uneducated and stupid. Why dont you run it.... I know a good deal of blacks live in my neighborhood and it is as suburban as you get (right before bullitt county). They worked for their shit though...they didnt whine. I grew up mowing a black dudes lawn, you think he whined that he was black and blah blah blah ... no Jimmy worked for his shit...has a 800k house and 2 BMWs and 3 sweet ass daughters. See my point is people dont whine and get what they want, thwy WORK, it doesnt have to do with color, but pride.......

Honestly I dont know how to run ZIP CODES. Maybe I am just uneducated and stupid. .....

could be very true.

You dont get it...I am rich as I wanna be...but you complain about not having shit...I am not 'sob storying' you. I am letting you know that you can get from shit to ok without griping.

You said a little bit of positive but a bunch of BS that is a gimme to every city in the US.

could be very true.

Im not the one griping for a wally world tubs :)

You dont get it...I am rich as I wanna be...but you complain about not having shit...I am not 'sob storying' you. I am letting you know that you can get from shit to ok without griping.

You said a little bit of positive but a bunch of BS that is a gimme to every city in the US.

Since you want to turn this into the other thread.....

I guess the nightlife stuff must have been true because none of you have said anything about that either..


Why I love Louisville:

Old Louisville
Best Neighborhood in Louisville PERIOD
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I always feel comfortable in Old Louisville especially in the summer. When i lived on campus at uofl I used to walk all the way from belknap campus to broadway just o take pictures.

Baxtor Ave, and Bardstown Road.
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I love this section of Louisville because i used to go to Atherton high school before i transfered to Shawnee, and I would always walk around the highlands area. It was pretty amazing being 16 years old from the west end, and being able to get away from it all with a long walk around bardstown road and baxter ave. Iwouldn't trade a night in Ear-Xtacy with friends for anything.

The Near Park Duvalle
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I used to live in Park Duvalle when it was the Southwick and Cotter homes housing projects. Its a very different neighborhood today, and i'm proud to see sow it has improved. It still has a long way to go because it hasn't seen a lot of growth in businesses and liqour stores are still on the corners.

Shawnee Land
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I'm sure everyone knows about shawnee land, its composed mainly of the Shawnee PArk and Chickasaw park neighborhoods. These sued to be all white neighborhoods but a large portion of whites left during desegregation. Today it is pretty much all black but i'm sure anybody of any color woul denjoy living in Shawnee Land.

Why I hate Louisville.

Downtown Night Life Sucks.....

Sorry, but I haven't been to a club downtown in about 2 years. Why? Because there are no clubs that appeal to young black men like myself downtown. You can't convince me with a million dollars to go into the Red Chetah just so i can get a headache listening to Tecno music. O'meilly's corner used to be fun to go to...back when i was 16, but I hated having to walk across the country music dance floor just to get into the section that played hip hop music. And even that was pretty lame, because all the hip hop music they played was from the late 80's and early 90's...you can only listen to Sir-mix-alot for so long untill you vomit from the annoyance of his music.

Segregation of people, and businesses....

Yes, you can't deny it, its pretty obvious. I'd challenge any Louisville forumer on this site to ride a bus from Baxtor Ave & Broadway all the way to Shawnee park and back and see how segregated this city is...I used to do it everyday when i attended Atherton. If you take a bus from shawnee park up broadway a white person will probably not get on untill you reach 10th and broadway.

This city is so segregated it makes me sick sometimes. There are literally some neighborhoods in this city that if you lived in one and never came out of it your entire life, you would have never seen someone of a different race. There are schools in this city that you can go to and not have had a black teacher or classmate for the entire time you where there....there are stores in this city that black people have never stepped foot into because chances are they probably didn't know they existed because they are so far from the city.

The west end has about 120,000 residence, maybe more, yet the only large mall it has is Lyles Mall which was built in the 70's. Why is it that the highlands has all of the retail in the city when it has about the same, maybe less, residence than the west end? Why is it that the only movie theater built in the west end went bankrupt and is vacant on Broadway.
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Why is that everything is being done to improve everywhere but the West End? How much money did they put into 4th st. Live? Why is it that not even have of that was put into funding businesses in the West End?...I hate how everything built in the West End is second class. The broadway cinemas was nothing compared to the other theaters in the city. The new housing being built, even though it is helpful, is cheap as plastic.

I've said something about the man? Quote me. 'The big bad west end' I don't have to label it as such being that i live there, I'm not a passer-thru. I see the west end in ways you will never.

Right ill never live in that hell pit. And the people I know wait (all black) and they wouldnt stand by your shit. They worked to get out, but visit their family, even a couple peopel I know are working to get out. But you sure do label white people alot, I was just saying THE MAN, coz you sound lame, and like a dumbass sometimes....especially when you say WHITE SUBURBAN, and that everyone should give in to the homeless blah blah blah. The homeless should work.

You love louisville for the highlands.....yet you hate that the highlands has rarely a vacant space and you love old louisville for houses?

National Amusements and other PRIVATE comapnies built theaters in other places in the city NOT THE CITY. THE CITY doesnt build theaters. Get your friend Magic to build a theater...private people build build shit not cities...this isnt sim city 4 LOL. Silly.

Right ill never live in that hell pit. And the people I know wait (all black) and they wouldnt stand by your shit. They worked to get out, but visit their family, even a couple peopel I know are working to get out. But you sure do label white people alot, I was just saying THE MAN, coz you sound lame, and like a dumbass sometimes....especially when you say WHITE SUBURBAN, and that everyone should give in to the homeless blah blah blah. The homeless should work.

White area, was describing St. Mattews, again, its 94% white, where am I wrong?...I know black people who feel the same way I do, and white people for that matter, professors......its funny how you tried to blame me for calling yourself a white racist, now you're trying to use me as an excuse to say "the man"... grow some balls and take responsibilty for your own words.

West Louisville is not a hell pit, why might you think that? Got any statistics from satan to back it up?

And i don't know how asking "why doesn't a church as big as SEC church leave its doors open at night for homeless people in need of shelter", is giving in to the homeless..

White area, was describing St. Mattews, again, its 94% white, where am I wrong?...I know black people who feel the same way I do, and white people for that matter, professors......its funny how you tried to blame me for calling yourself a white racist, now you're trying to use me as an excuse to say "the man"... grow some balls and take responsibilty for your own words.

West Louisville is not a hell pit, why might you think that? Got any statistics from satan to back it up?

LOL your the one who is begging for basic shit (a walmart HHHAHAhahhahaa). Yes it isnt a desirable area....not as a whole. You have always said white this white that...dont try to retract it.

LOL your the one who is begging for basic shit (a walmart HHHAHAhahhahaa). Yes it isnt a desirable area....not as a whole. You have always said white this white that...dont try to retract it.

Yes, i'm not nearly begging, and somewhere on one of these pages emplied that a mall would do the west end alot of good as well.

Yes I said white, where did I retract it? You keep saying i'm stereotyping st. matthews as white, when its 94% white..how is that a stereotype?

A stereotpye is saying west Louisville is a "hell pit."

Not st matts just the suburbs as a whole.... stop being a victim god err I mean ALLAH DAMMIT lol

And yes it is a hell pit....when you dont take care of your yard/house etc it is a hell pit. I have seen poor neighborhoods...even around Louisville....they can at least pick up trash an dmow their lawn...HAAH read the paper the west end is most of the source for Louisvilles' vrime rate and it has been since the 70's

And yes it is a hell pit....when you dont take care of your yard/house etc it is a hell pit. I have seen poor neighborhoods...even around Louisville....they can at least pick up trash an dmow their lawn...HAAH read the paper the west end is most of the source for Louisvilles' vrime rate and it has been since the 70's

Yes, we all know not taking care of your lawn=hell pit...you're vision of hell must be pretty emollient.

Yes west Louisville is the source of the majority of crime. Doesn't mean it can't change. What do you think is the independent variable? What hs been the same in the west end since the 70's? No developent, no jobs, liqour stores. If those things change, maybe you will see a dip in crime as well...but one things for certain, if all those things remain, then the crime will remain.

LOL well no neighborhood pride is a down point...and the fact that you have in many threads repeated that it is ok ....

While what you say may be true it sure isnt Louisvilles's fault....LOL it is companies desire to build. Move to russia ya communist. LOL.

LOL well no neighborhood pride is a down point...and the fact that you have in many threads repeated that it is ok ....

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who are you to say West Louisville has no pride? Is there a stat somewhere that proves that? Didn't think so.

The city needs to try harder to give this man on 29th and broadway, and other men like him, the means he needs to buy or rent a building to sell his goods in.
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West Louisville has pride
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH GIMME A GOD DAMN BREAK ABDUL,


If I wanna seel ice cream, lemonade and flea bags I really want to rent out a spot and need government assistance dont I. Oh especially to support my kids I had from being a frivilous whore around town to get welfare.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH GIMME A GOD DAMN BREAK ABDUL,


If I wanna seel ice cream, lemonade and flea bags I really want to rent out a spot and need government assistance dont I. Oh especially to support my kids I had from being a frivilous whore around town to get welfare.

I don't see ice cream, lemonade, and flea bags...do you?

there you go, stereotyping, show me some proof that woman in the west end have kids from being " frivilous whore around town to get welfare."

You showed me a pic of some dude yard saleing...lol....saying it was legit boo ABDUL BOOOOOOOO

You showed me a pic of some dude yard saleing...lol....saying it was legit boo ABDUL BOOOOOOOO

He's not yard selling, he's out there everyday, and i took that photo a while ago. If the city could just grab this guy and give him the means to open his own establishment, that would be another business in the west end.

I wanna sell quilts! The city should help me open a shop... oh and I feel like not breathing the smoke from the ford plant they should close that down...its nothing but a bunch of SUBURBAN WHIIIITE PEOPLE ANYWAYS. HAHHAHAHAHHAH.

It's not about breathing "smoke," As far as i know the emmisions from ford plant haven't been proven to cause cancer. And are you saying someone who sells quilts shouldn't be given help by the city to open a shop? Whats wrong with quilts...maybe you could have come up with something a little more irrelevent, like old dipers.

Y'all...chill out.

hate to bring this back up, but isn't there supposed to be a seperation between church and state?
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The audience at Highview Baptist Church listened to a videotaped speech by U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist last night. Frist said, "Either confirm or not confirm the nominees, but don't leave them hanging. Don't leave the courts hanging and the country hanging." (BY DAVID R. LUTMAN, SPECIAL TO THE COURIER-JOURNAL)

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From the pulpit of Louisville's Highview Baptist Church, leaders of the nation's religious right last night denounced activist federal judges and called for an end to filibusters blocking up-or-down votes on President Bush's judicial nominees.

In fiery addresses simulcast nationally over Christian radio and television stations and the Internet, a half dozen speakers denounced Senate Democrats for opposing nominees of faith, including evangelical Christians and devout Catholics.

The telecast, called "Justice Sunday -- Stopping the Filibuster Against People of Faith," aimed to mobilize Christians for an assault on filibusters, which Democrats have used to block 10 of President Bush's judicial nominees.

U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a potential presidential candidate in 2008, joined the telecast via a four-minute videotaped speech.

"Americans elect their senators to vote on the people's business. Either confirm or not confirm the nominees, but don't leave them hanging," he said. "Don't leave the courts hanging and the country hanging."

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Speaking from Highview, R. Albert Mohler Jr., the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, accused federal judges of misinterpreting the Constitution, just as liberal churches have misinterpreted the Bible.

"We have to exercise our Christian citizenship not just at the ballot box but all the way to the nomination and confirmation of judges," Mohler said to a standing ovation.

Highview's east campus on Shelbyville Road was packed with 1,700 members of the church and guests invited from Southeast Christian Church. Fifty-eight reporters from news organizations around the country covered the heavily publicized event.

About 100 protesters -- some in ministers' robes, many with signs -- stood along Shelbyville Road. Their demonstration followed two protest rallies earlier in the day that drew a total of more than 700 people.

The Rev. Peggy Owens, 46, of the Presbytery of Mid-Kentucky, said she braved the cold outside Highview because she found the event organizers' rhetoric to be offensive. "Christians should not throw stones at other Christians. We are sisters and brothers in Christ, all of us."

The Rev. Bruce Maples of Highland Baptist Church in Louisville gathered the protesters for prayer after about an hour.

Saying, "No one person, no one church has a lock on faith," he prayed for grace and peace and called for those involved in the telecast to "reach out in love, not anger."

In an interview, Maples said he stood outside the church because he thought it "important to say that just because we're not inside that building does not mean you are not a person of faith."

Uniformed police officers patrolled the church's lobby, and officials refused to let reporters interview members of the congregation, saying they feared someone who didn't belong might denounce the event under the guise of being a member.

The event's sponsor, the Family Research Council, a Washington-based lobbying group that promotes traditional family values, said the broadcast would be simulcast to more than 1,000 churches and a million "values voters" nationwide, in hope of rallying support for eliminating the filibuster during consideration of judicial nominees.

Democrats disagree
In fliers promoting the event, organizers accused the Senate minority of "filibustering against people of faith."

Senate Democrats have said, however, that the nominees were blocked based on their extremist positions and judicial philosophies, not on their religious beliefs.

Democrats and other critics of the event also say they can't understand why conservatives complain about the federal courts, given that most of Bush's nominees have been approved -- and that most of the federal bench has been appointed by Republican presidents.

Since Bush's election, 205 of his 215 judicial nominees, or 95 percent, have been confirmed by the Senate.

Republican appointees outnumber Democratic appointees on 10 of the country's 13 appeals courts and account for 94 of the 162 active appeals court judges.

All 10 of the Bush nominations blocked by Democrats were for appellate courts.

Last night's event and Frist's participation in it were condemned by many churches and other organizations, including Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Anti-Defamation League and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.).

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, responded to such criticism last night by noting, "We are not saying that people who disagree with us are not people of faith."

But he charged that the courts "have become an enclave for those who seek to muzzle people of faith."

And to enthusiastic applause, he added, "Just because we believe the Bible is the guidepost for life shouldn't disqualify us from participating in government."

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James Dobson, the founder and chairman of Focus on the Family, a Christian broadcasting group, said that "the future of democracy and ordered liberty actually depends on the outcome of this struggle."

Dobson reserved his most withering attacks for the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, whom he called "arrogant and imperious and determined to rewrite the laws of this country based on their biases."

He said, "Five black-robed justices can tell us how it is going to be, and there is no justice and no appeal."

Dobson blamed the high court for what he called "the biggest holocaust in history," the 44 million abortions he said have occurred since the court made the procedure legal nationwide in 1973.

As the U.S. Senate switchboard number flashed on video screens and the phone numbers of individual senators scrolled underneath, Dobson urged viewers to call their senators and to tell them "that you will remember how they vote."

Members of Kentucky and Indiana congressional delegations said on Friday that they would not be available last night to comment on the telecast.

Chuck Colson, the born-again Watergate defendant who founded Prison Fellowship, a Christian ministry based in Virginia, spoke at the event by videotape, accusing the Senate minority of trying to "destroy the balance of power between the branches of government that was an important Christian contribution to the Constitution.

"We are not going to be intimidated when people tell us we are trying to impose our views," said Colson. "Pick up your phone and tell your senators we want an up-or-down vote on judges."

A literal interpretation
The 6,000-member Highview church was selected for the telecast because it is Mohler's home church.

And he delivered what may have been the most impassioned address, in which he suggested that the Constitution should be interpreted literally, just like the Bible.

Noting that the Supreme Court had struck down sodomy laws -- "finding a constitutional right to sodomy" -- Mohler asked, "Does anybody believe the framers believed in a constitutional right to sodomy?"

The audience at Highview was almost exclusively white, although a black preacher from Maryland, Bishop Harry R. Jackson Jr., was one of the speakers.

Two American flags flanked the stage, and propped on the stage were large photographs of some of the judicial nominees who have been blocked; one was pictured with Bush.

Former federal judge Charles W. Pickering Sr., whom Bush temporarily appointed to the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last year while the Senate was in recess, led the Pledge of Allegiance to open the event. Pickering's nomination had been blocked by Democrats who cited his conservative record on civil rights and other issues.

Highview's senior pastor, the Rev. Kevin Ezell, made brief introductory remarks in which he said, "We are here to celebrate and to learn what we can do as Christians."

Staff writers James R. Carroll, Kay Stewart and Larry Muhammad contributed to this story.

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I say tax 'em. If they can't stay away from politics, make them pay taxes.

Soul, for the first time on this thread I have to say I agree with you, that story you posted is the kind of thing that gives all christians a bad rep. I do not agree with what the people in that story were doing,I just hope you all realize that not all christians are like that, I know I'm not.

This is the Social Ministry at my home church up here in PA... Since there has been a demonization of the church on this website, I hope you take the time to see what just one church is doing in my hometown of Lancaster PA.

Social Ministry at Holy Trinity
Then the righteous will answer him, “Lord, when was it that we saw you hungry and gave you food, or thirsty and gave you something to drink. And when was it that we saw you a stranger and welcomed you or naked and gave you clothing? And when was it that we saw you sick or in prison and visited you.” And the King will answer them,
“Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.”
Matthew 25: 37-40

Social Ministry at Holy Trinity
Holy Trinity Lutheran Church is a congregation of Christian believers who, since the founding of the congregation and the city of Lancaster in 1730 has been committed to being a good neighbor for the people who live, work and visit in our region.
The Community Outreach Committee
•manages the relationship of our congregation with community agencies involved in social work,
•plans service events in which members of the congregation are invited to participate,
•identifies and helps to initiate new projects of service in the community.

“Let the Children Come Unto Me.”
Children are of special concern for those who follow Jesus. This concern is expressed in our Social Ministry by a strong commitment to accompanying the children in our city to gain an education that will provide them with the learning, understanding and tools for full participation in life and community. Holy Trinity has a special relationship with the teachers and students of Martin Luther King Elementary School located just blocks from our church site.

Reading At Trinity (RAT)
Holy Trinity maintains its historic commitment to and relationship with Martin Luther King Elementary School by continuing its program of providing volunteers to work in the school. Two years ago, this commitment was extended in a new direction with the initiation of an after-school reading program for students in 3rd-6th grades. More than ten volunteers provide guidance and tutoring for young readers on Wednesday afternoons during the school year

The Martin Luther King Scholarship
Holy Trinity Lutheran provides an annual scholarship for university studies to a deserving student graduating from McCaskey High School. This scholarship is supported by an endowment fund created by memorials given by Trinity members or friends of Trinity. The scholarship is given in collaboration with the Martin Luther King Community Scholarship Fund, a local group of community and educational leaders formed to remember Dr. Martin Luther King’s heritage.

"I was hungry and you fed me"
SUNDAY MORNING FELLOWSHIP. Each Sunday morning between 50 and 60 neighbors enjoy breakfast in the Youth Room of the Parish House. The Breakfast Fellowship has been a Holy Trinity ministry for about 10 years.

After breakfast, those who so desire are fed in their spirits by Bible Study and Worship. A team of volunteer counselors also provide accompaniment for those who need advice in solving practical problems.

Members are encouraged to support this weekly ministry by bringing fresh fruit and cereal to the kitchen and by volunteering to help serve the breakfast.

“I was a stranger and you welcomed me”
HOLY TRINITY AS COMMUNITY CENTER: Holy Trinity has a long history of using its Parish House as a gathering place for groups who have no home and who serve the needs of the community.

•IU-13 ADULT ENRICHMENT CENTER uses the upstairs of the Parish House to provide English as a Second Language classes for those recently arrived and who need language skills for increased economic opportunity and greater access to participation in society.

•THE NAAMAN CENTER and MISSION NEW LIFE are faith-based drug and alcohol rehabilitation program providing intensive outpatient chemical dependency treatment combining state-of-the-art psychotherapeutic techniques with a Christian perspective.

•PENNSYLVANIA MIGRANT EDUCATION PROGRAM uses space in the Parish House for Graduate Equivalency Degree (GED) classes in Spanish for those who are migrant workers in our region.

•TRESSLER REFUGEE SERVICES is part of the regional Lutheran Social Services providing classes for those who are studying to take their citizenship exams.


• QUEST is an “adventure in learning” for persons of retirement age seeking the encouragement of mental stimulation and growth, the excitement of new knowledge, and the pleasure of new friends. Seminars and classes are held on six Thursdays in the Spring and Fall at Holy Trinity.

• Other groups that frequently use our Parish House are:
OFFICE OF AGING – Tax assistance and other programs
LHOP – Lancaster Housing Opportunity Partnership
GIFTS - Gathering International Families Together
ALCOHOLICS ANNONYMOUS
The Center City Neighborhood Enhancement Corporation
The Center City Neighborhood Enhancement Corporation began in the minds of members of the City Missions Committee of Holy Trinity Lutheran Church.

Now the CCNEC is a fully accredited 501(c)3 corporation dedicated to accompanying our neighborhood (16 square blocks around our location) in its economic, social and cultural development. The membership of CCNEC includes more than 30 churches, businesses, service agencies and governmental units. Six members of Holy Trinity sit on the Board of Directors. Susan Garofola, a member of Holy Trinity, is the current president.


OUT OF THE DARKNESS
Making a Light in the Darkness on the first block of South Lime Street.
The first neighborhood project of CCNEC was to light the 1st block of South Lime Street. 100% of the residents participated. The next project goes to Howard Street – lighting and faça.