This will be the thread in which we put updates, news articles, rumours, photos, etc. around the subject of the Uptown Waterloo reconstruction project. (Public Park/Square, Town Square shops, retail, residential, commercial, etc.)

Demolition has begun on the old end of the mall. (south end.)

I can't wait for a year from now or so when there will be tons of foundations for all the new storefronts going in along King St... exciting!

This is great news. I am glad to see the redevelopment taking place after many years of delay.

It was borded up when I went by on the bus. I'll be glad when I see the wrecking ball.

any pics?

Sounds like Waterloo Uptown is taking a trendy turn for new shopping on King St.

I use to live in Waterloo- I haven't been there for over four years.

I would love to see how things have changed. :)

Yesterday (April 1st) the demolition began.

April 8:
Air-conditioning units removed from the roof via backhoes.


April 9:
Entire front half of southernmost section (where K-Mart, then Liquidation World was located) removed. Smashed brick and removed window frames are laying around. Dumpsters are ready and construction machines are moving in.

Pics????
Yes, Waterlou always was a cute university town which, unfortunatly always gets heaped together with Kitchener which is the poorest excuse for a city I have ever seen.
I must confess that I am guilty of sometimes doing this, automatically referring to K/W as opposed to them as separate cities.

April 13:

The demolition crew are working away quickly so that any petition that may pop up (created by Uptown businesses to protest the fact that a few parking spots will be a few minutes' walk away GRRRR) will not hault the demolition.

The Liquidation World portion of the mall has its roof practically gone, drooping downwards, as the front walls have been removed.

<I suppose the office building (6 storeys) will need to be 'dynamited' when the time comes... but they are going to be going for awhile before they need to do that.>

I'm curious, was it not feasible to simply renovate the office tower to be condominiums? They'd have 12' ceilings and all too. Plus iirc, the building is pretty glassy.

No way. The office block stands on what will be the parking lot, which apparently will already be short a few spaces WITHOUT the office block there. As well, there will be condos above the storefronts, and finally, it just doesn't make sense given the fact that streetfront buildings will be built right at the sidewalk, anyways.


April 14:

Liquidation World portion (south end of mall, extreme south that is) is pretty much gone..... they are clearing the rubbish out of the way very quickly... its an amazing site.. one I never thought I would see in my lifetime ;) Finally an eyesore is leaving us!

April 14:

Liquidation World portion (south end of mall, extreme south that is) is pretty much gone..... they are clearing the rubbish out of the way very quickly... its an amazing site.. one I never thought I would see in my lifetime;)

anyways i am amazed to see such little interest in this project... once the new storefronts are going up, we have ourselves a whole new downtown... very often does this happen in Canada at all... a blank canvas to work with. its a shame that there is so little interest, because people are really missing out!!!

What's amazing is how you can see one day into the future and tell us what happened! ;)

Unfortunately in KW they're more concerned about finding a spot to park their cars after a day of drive thru banking and Tim Horten's drive thru dining. LOL

Although not shown on the plan in the recent Record, a tall tower is planned which local shop owners are opposing. It was on the CKCO and it sounded like they said 28 stories (I must have heard wrong because there is little chance of KW getting a building that tall in my lifetime, let alone a five star hotel - ok, maybe in 2018 when amalgomation occurs, which will have to be forced upon it!!!) which would be the tallest in the city. Its a mix hotel and commercial.

Still, other buildings, apartments 10-15 stories are planned around the site so who knows? Maybe CKW will grow up? The city recently re-zoned the land around the mall to break a previous low rise only barrier. Still, I'll believe it, when I see it. It is a shame that business owners in the area are more concerned about loosing a few parking spaces, when God forbid somebody should dare get on a bus and arrive in a more attractive shopping area.

Why in the world are the business owners opposed to a residential tower? (That is if it's residential). Regarding parking, is the main parking garage at full capacity most of the time?

Tony - There is still plenty of parking around and a big city multi-level car park is right across the street near the Royal Bank as well. Most of the business people complaining are those on the ScotiaBank side of the road near the existing car park. They are worried that they'll loose the pedestrian traffic but frankly I think the square would actually attract MORE people. Besides, public transit is excellent down King Street and the actually number of lost parking spots is really quite minimal. This whole thing is getting delayed over and over by stupid stuff really when really what they need to do is get a move on. I think it would be wonderful for Waterloo.

As for the residental towers going up by the swimming pool / lofts area they got vocal opposion but the city went ahead and re-zoned it for high rise. Its downtown, so luckily common sense won over. Of course once again the business were going - where are people going to park? I would probably horrify them to know there are people like me that live in KW perfectly fine without an automobile. Its unfortunately that even business owners can be the worst NIMBYS sometimes. I think in five years things will start changing in a big way. It city has to start going up as its running out of room. Even industrial space in is short supply. Just look at Toyota having little chance to locate in Kitchener cause the city cannot accommodate it, so it goes to Woodstock with space galore.

As Of April 16
-Liquidation World is gone
-demolition is already one-third complete
(-there is another lowrise section to demolish, as well as the office block)

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Nice to see it going. Thank God they are not wasting anytime leveling the beast. Can't wait for the tower to go next.

NEWS FLASH May 3, 2005
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Waterloo Town Square demolition

The wall panels of the office tower are being torn off, the whole building looted by demo workers. The tower will be gone very soon.

Meanwhile, the north end of the mall (now the Waterloo Town Square itself) is disconnected entirely from the old wing.

Folks... I proudly can say that the mall has begun its new life.

Could you post more photos?

I could, but it would be another week i will try tho

May 13

Office tower is almost gone.

NEWS FLASH May 27, 2005
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THE WATERLOO TOWN SQUARE OFFICE BLOCK IS GONE :)

This thread is useless without pics!!! Hint. ;)

June 18

Sorry, haven't visited Waterloo for awhile, and lost interest.

BUT things are looking up- new news articles and editorials talking about the project, etc.

This August a new office building will go up on King St... a rendering was recently released in papers.

On Monday, all plans were given the go-ahead except for the public square which will wait a few more years.

In the meantime, demolition is finishing, and construction is beginning.

Council approves Uptown land swap


By Jason Noe
For the Chronicle

(Jun 15, 2005)
Waterloo city council approved the controversial redevelopment of uptown Waterloo by unanimously approving a land exchange between the city and developer WCI Holdings (First Gulf) on Monday.

The two parcels of property run along King and Caroline Streets and would be adjacent to a proposed public square that would be built in front of the north end of the Waterloo Town Square.

The city will give a section of their property fronting King Street to First Gulf for the possible development of street front retail. First Gulf will then hand over a piece of their land running along Caroline Street, which will become a parking lot for First Gulf tenants and the public.

Uptown business owners are afraid that the land swap will drive away customers as on-the-street parking is moved to the back of the site. But city officials have built in some precautions to make sure construction begins before the swap is completed.

"We anticipate that the exchange could occur once the subdivision has been registered and First Gulf is in a position to obtain a building permit for the first new building along King Street," said Waterloo developmental planner Rob Trotter. "ÏThe existing parking lot on King Street will remain in city ownership and will remain as parking until the land exchange will occur."

He explained that the parking lot facing King Street is at the end of its useful life and needs to be removed and replaced.

Trotter also said that the property being swapped to First Gulf is only of value to them as it is not likely they would let anyone else develop on it.

Currently, a parking agreement does exist where the city is obligated to provide 600 parking spaces on an ongoing basis, and First Gulf has the choice to access an additional 55 parking spots in the Caroline Street lot. The 600 spaces are to be utilized for Waterloo Town Square and the various downtown properties.

"The construction of the new parking lot and the reconstruction of it and maintenance of it will be city of Waterloo's responsibility," said Trotter. "But unlike the existing parking agreement that's in place, staff have worked with First Gulf to build some flexibility into the new agreement in order for the city to accommodate some of it's long-term goals.

"These would be the construction of future parking structures, parking lots and the ability to re-locate some Caroline parking spaces."

He explained that the sidewalk along the developed portion of King Street would be removed by First Gulf and that the city of Waterloo will pay for a new sidewalk and other streetscape items.

Also on Monday, council unanimously approved the allocation of $2.316 million for the implementation of elements related to the infrastructure re-development of uptown Waterloo, but the amount didn't include the proposed public square, putting that decision off until a later date. Trotter said the agreement would allow council to make a decision on the square within 18 months.

However, this approval paves the way for new Grand River Transit facilities, the reconstruction of the new parking lot adjacent to Caroline Street and the building of pedestrian and streetscape facilities along King Street and Willis Way.

Both the city and the developer own separate portions of the extension of Willis Way that will be designated as a public highway and will extend to Caroline Street in the future.

The proposed Willis Way extension is expected to have 30 on-street parking spaces that will be open to the public and strictly for short-term use, but is also planned to have a pedestrian non-vehicular focus. The enhanced landscaping along the extension will include wider sidewalks, bike racks, benches and decorative lighting.

As well, council unanimously approved a proposed draft plan to subdivide Waterloo Town Square into two development blocks that will be separated by the Willis Way extension.

"This sets the stage for an interesting and very productive development of Waterloo Square," said Waterloo mayor Herb Epp. ÏItÌs our hope and expectation that the people of Waterloo will be proud of what First Gulf is going to do there."

Waterloo ward five councillor Ian McLean said the developments would be a new beginning for the uptown. "This is a very exciting day for the city of Waterloo and for the future of our community," he said.

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Renderings of future development, and more!..

http://www.waterlootownsquare.com

There is heaps of development going on in Waterloo. Its finally starting to take off. There's even a buzz in downtown Kitchener which is amazing to see. The blocks around UW and WLU have all been sold and / or are being redeveloped. Nice to see KW picking up the pace a little. These country minded communities just might aspire to be real cities one day. Now lets just get the darn LRT thing on the go rather than just talking about it. The provincial government did say KW having trams was more a matter of when rather than if.

Is anything happening on the lot across University Ave. from Wilfred Laurier U (formerly St. Michael's Elementary School)?

^It is still the old boring school building, now used as the St. Michael's Campus- however- this is sure to change in the future as Wilfrid Laurier runs out of room... although downtown campuses are the new thing. Who knows.

There are now storefronts up for lease along Willis Way.

There is leasing info. on the WTS website.

By the way, my niece owns a clothing store on King St. across from Waterloo Town Square; I attented St. Michael's school for grades 1-6.

neat neat

You think that's neat? Ha, I used to play hockey on the site where Perimeter Institute now sits! So I studied the physics of skating on that site long before most of those guys there were borne. ;)

That was the oogliest arena ever. Sorry ;)

^ I know, it was more like a wooden pig barn than an arena! :)

It's about time the uptown gets done up. Up untill now you couldnt really call it an uptown. Like you said, K-W has arrived.

^^ Yeah. Uptown has arrived, but elsewhere in the city has a long way to go.

Update coming soon.

An Uptown Update is coming this Saturday afternoon!

It will include...
-pics. of Uptown's current state
-info. and scoops on the new Town Square precinct
-construction/demolition photos

Do you have photos from higher up? Such as from the parking garage across the street? That's be great to see.

I would be glad to do that! I'm in Toronto, so I will have to leave nice and early ;)

NEWS FLASH August 11, 2005
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-all demolition complete
-a shoe store popular here in TO called 'heelboy' is coming soon, according to a newspaper

http://www.uploadhut.com/upload/254552.bmp??

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Do you know what retail stores will come to Uptown?

Smaller, independent, unique stores that are hard to find elsewhere, as far as I know.

NEWS FLASH August 17, 2005
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OMB appeal won't stop Willis Way work


Work to reshape Waterloo's uptown core will proceed despite an OMB appeal launched by a local restaurateur.

City council held a special meeting last week to approve the tender of a $3.28 million dollar project that will see Willis Way extended through to Caroline Street, and a new 303 car parking lot built at the back on the former Waterloo Town Square site demolished earlier this year.

The contract was awarded to E&E Seegmiller Ltd. and will see the City of Waterloo pay $1,651,118 for environmental remediation work on the south side of the property as well as the construction of Willis Way and the new south parking lot. The other $1,629, 510 will be paid by First Gulf Group Inc., the owner of Waterloo Town Square which plans to start construction of a new 75,000 square-foot building fronting King Street soon, which will become the new home of KPMG. KPMG is slated to move in to the new building in August of 2006.

Work on the Willis Way extension should begin in the next few weeks, said Tim Anderson, the city's director of Public Works Services, with plans for the roadway and new parking lot to be opened by Christmas of this year. The Willis Way extension will also include 20 new parking spots with some handicap parking spots near the remaining north end of the mall.

While site work will continue into next May, building of the new office complex might be delayed until an Ontario Municipal Board appeal is heard of the city's zoning bylaw amendment, that swapped a parcel of city parking lot at the front property to one in the back.

That has raised the hackles of Paul McGough, the owner of Ali Baba Steakhouse and Crooner's Lounge, and other uptown business owners concerned about the potential change in traffic patterns this proposal could cause to existing customers. In a letter of appeal, McGough argues that First Gulf is getting an unfair "bonus" in the land swap by getting a more valuable piece of land in the exchange of properties with the city.

The project will continue said Mayor Herb with the money coming from some of the city's reserves in the public works department.

"Knowing that everything is approved, I think they (E&E Seegmiller Ltd.) want to start within the next month," said Epp. "The 75,000 KPMG building will be a tremendous addition.

"That's almost the size of Waterloo City Hall... so that's the kind of size building you can anticipate going up in that location."

Epp said that it's too bad that council's June decision is being appealed, but that is the right of any citizen.

"Everybody has the right to hold things up if they want," said Epp. "The OMB hearing is the 26th of September, so hopefully they'll deal with that and we'll see what happens."

Four days of hearings are set aside starting Sept. 26 at RIM Park.

But the skyline has already changed in the uptown core with the demolition of the south-side of the Waterloo Town Square and it's adjacent office building. Epp said it's going to change the character of the uptown core, and make the proposed civic square in front of the remaining north end of the mall more of a point of interest.

"With building on both sides of the street, it's going to make the civic square even more of a focal point," said Epp. "That's where the opening will be if and when we decide that. It will look quite nice and quite refreshing."

In a nod to the concerns about parking shifting to the back of the site, Epp said their will be a walkway between the two buildings towards the parking in the back. And he's sure that First Gulf will do a nice esthetic job on the walkway.
"It will be really nice, and I'm sure the people of Waterloo will be really be proud of it," said Epp.

Epp said there is no further announcement of building on the site that he is aware of, and had told First Gulf not to make any announcements until they are confirmed.

"I'm relying on First Gulf to make the announcement on all their buildings," said Epp. "One of things I did when I first became mayor was I told David Gibson (First Gulf president) I don't want development by announcement where you make an announcement about a development but nothing happens.

"That has happened to often in this city and other cities. I want announcement made when you're really ready to make an announcement and things are going to happen."

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SUM UP:

-> new, large office block (5 storeys) coming to King Street, size of W. City Centre
-> walkways between buildings for easy pedestrian access to parking lots
-> Willis Way construction begins soon
-> demolition finished; environmental cleanup to continue on south end of site (see photo a few posts up)

NEWS FLASH August 27, 2005
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New apartments under construction at Dorset and Princess St.

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Great stuff, thanks for the updates SP!RE.
I'm going to change the title of this thread to include all k-w updates...not just uptown waterloo.

NEWS FLASH August 27, 2005
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Waterloo City Centre gets green roof!

The City of Waterloo recently conducted a Green Roof Feasibility Study and City Wide Implementation Plan. A project financed through a $25,000 grant by the Federation of Canadian Municipalities and a matched funding of $25,000 by the City. The objective of the research was to determine if Green Roofs are an appropriate technology locally as well as provincially. The City hired Totten Sims Hubicki Associates to conduct the study. The study was completed this past spring.

The City of Waterloo City Centre was approved in April of 2005 to be a demonstration site. Construction is currently underway and will continue over a 4-6 week period. Flynn Canada has been contracted by the City to retrofit and install an extensive Green Roof System. As well, Flynn Canada has graciously donated railing to surround the entire roof. Xero flor Canada Ltd., a Green Roof production and installation company with extensive experience in Germany, has generously donated the extensive green roof system, enough to cover the entire roof, an area of 1650 m2. The system being installed is the same as the “mini” green roof installed over the parking lot entrance of the City Centre, also entirely donated by Xero Flor.

The Green Roof Feasibility Study and City Wide Implementation Plan identified six primary benefits the City of Waterloo and Cities alike will gain by utilizing Green Roof Technology. These include, Stormwater Management, Air pollution reduction, Reduction of Heat Island Effect, Energy use reduction, Increase in Green Space and Extension of roof life. Please refer to the Report for a thorough understanding of these benefits.

(Article from www.waterloo.ca)

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Some of the housing on University Avenue is so overpriced and dreadful looking. Even the new stuff is crap. Built to look cheap and all. The developers here would do good to have a look at UBC. God, us students in Waterloo get screwed over bigtime compared with those in London and Hamilton. Might as well be going to York for the rents we pay. Bachelor flats starting from only $800 a month. Oh gee what a deal?! Get screwed over to live in a commie block. I'm referring to that orange and grey affair on University Avenue nextdoor to the yellow Married Student Apartments.

Only difference between Kitchener and Waterloo is those in Kitchener get way better value. The closer to campus you get the closer you are to experiencing Toronto & Vancouver rents.

Our low vacancy rate is really a killer for us students here. May they OVERBUILD apartments galore on Uni Ave. Towers, towers everywhere. Tear down all those little slumlord houses between UW and WLU - hell continue on down past Weber I say - and build bigger and taller. Time for a bit of Uni Avenue densification to occur. LOL Only then might be get a break. Something closer to Hamilton and London rents would be sweet. Bachelors for $600 a month I could handle. I just don't want to live down by Fairview Mall to get one.

Nice pics and keep up the info Spire. Man I need to get a digital camera so bad.

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Hopefully we'll see a change in the next few years. Things seem to be getting better, especially in Kitchener.

NEWS FLASH August 30, 2005
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32 University St. is complete

NEWS FLASH August 31, 2005
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32 University Ave.

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NEWS FLASH September 2, 2005
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Waterloo Town Square prepares for fall changes

new storefronts are going up on the new street

Whoa 32 University Ave. looks a lot different than the rendering. I was expecting maybe some yellow. Hate brick buildings. They could have picked a better coloured brick than brown.

There are other colours on the building too at least.

NEWS FLASH September 3, 2005
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CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE*

August 2005
• Construction of the new Willis Way will commence.
• Purple demolition hoarding will be removed along
King Street.
• The sidewalk on the west side of King Street from the traffic
signals at Willis Way to William Street will be out of service
for some time.

October 31, 2005
• New Willis Way opens for pedestrian and vehicular traffic.

November 15, 2005
• Stores along the new Willis Way will be open for business.

September, 2005 through August, 2006
• The construction of Block D.

November, 2005 through December, 2006
• The construction of Block C.


*Construction typically takes place between Monday and
Friday between 7:00am and 5:00pm. Some work may take
place on the weekends.

NEWS FLASH September 4, 2005
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Willis Way should be under construction soon.

Saw this in the paper, figured I'd post it. More roadblocks...

Efford to save old buildings promised
Committe urged to loo at other options for core heritage buildings

There will be a fight to save old builings on a strategic downtown block if there is any move to demolishthem to make way for a library.

"To say the demoishing of a historic building is the only option is, I think, iresponsible, and quite frankly just wrong", said Coun. Michael Galloway, the chair of Heritage Kitchener.

"And there are other options that need to be explored, ad that's something the Cere Block committee neds to look at a little harder."

Galloway was reacting to the ports tabled earlier this week at a meeting of the Waterloo Public Library-Cenre Block project committee.

Allthough those projects did not call for demolitions, they revealed it would cost up to 17 million to restore the exterioir of the old Forsyth clothing company factory, which is designated as a heritage landmark.

Tearing it down and replacing it would cost even more, posibly more then 21 million. Preserving portions o fhte building would cost up to 22.5 million.

The reports did not consider the costs of restoring and renovating the other six or so historic properties o that block, allmost all which are owned by the city.

Roy Robinson, and industrial realtor on the Centre Block project committee, said turing the old building into condos or office space simply isn't feasible.

"This building, and I say it candidly, is a very unattracive building," Robinson said of the Forsyth factory.

Nobody at the meeting spoke in favour of saving the old buildings or asking city council for more money to restore what was the original mainsteet in downtow Berlin. That has Galloway and other heritage advocates worrired.

"From my standpoint we only hae to go back to the old City Hall and the decision that was made to demolish that and building an office tower and a mall.

"Now we are sitting here and looking at pictures of the old City Hall and going: 'Well, those decisions were not the best made at the time," Galloway continued.

At this point there are no plans to incorporate any of the buildings into a new library. WIthin weeks the Centre Block committee would like to begin seeking proposals from developed for the site, which is just east of City Hall.

At a minimum, Galloway and Zyg Janecki, another member of Herative Kitchener; wat the Forsyth building's art deco facade preserved.

And if the cost of demolition and replacement is about the same as restorating the building, Janecki said the Forsyth building should be renovated.

But Janecki said there is more at stake then some old buildings with historical and architectural singnificange. He wants both to preserve the ld factory, but also encourage downtown redevlopment.

"So it's kind of a catch 22. In terms of the downtown there is some revitalization, but its not what it used to be."

Annalee Moore, meanwhile, staunchly opposes anything but restoring the old factory and including it in redevlopment. She feels the same way about other historic builings on that block.

If the city moves to tear down part or all of the factory, Moore said sh will appeal to a provincial tribunal. "The city has had this block of buildings for a long eough time.... There was alot of work that could have been done to start restoring these buildings to make them more useable," said Moore, another member of Heritage Kitchener.

"They sat there empty for along time and that's contributed to the cost of renovating and using them."

Moore said the city is being hypocritical because it cried foul when a developer dismatled a historic barn in south Kitchener, but isnt protecting what could be Kitcheners largest remaining collection of historically significant properties.

"The city, in my mind, is sort of talking out of two sides of its face.", Moore said.

City council spend about 9 million several years ago buying up almost all properties on Centre Block, which is bounded by King, Younge, Duke, and Ontario streets. It is also earmarked 32.5 miilion to help pay for a library on that block, which could cost up to 51 million.


Quite interesting to read. I have nothing to say other then "out with the old, in with the new." Besides, for those who know downtown, there is nothing in Centre Block at all. 50% is a shit hotel/bar and a few somewhat run down stores and the factory which has been abandoned for the longest time (unless it is in use now), the other 50% is parking lot. I think a new library in the heart of downtown would be great.

Ariel photo of Centre Block:
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/8973/centreblock7dg.th.png (http://img48.imageshack.us/my.php?image=centreblock7dg.png)

Excuse any typos.

"This building, and I say it candidly, is a very unattracive building," Robinson said of the Forsyth factory.

I completely disagree. This is a nice piece of industrial architecture where if restored properly could yield a great (and large) building. However that said, the building is probably beyond the point of saving which is really sad and a loss to the industrial heritage that Kitchener has.

NEWS FLASH September 6, 2005
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A leasing/advertising sign has gone up for the new building on the Seagrams land, which will look like a much older building, and will have two floors of comercial space and one (the third) floor of luxury residential

It is the newest building to be put in the Seagrams precinct, to date.

NEWS FLASH September 7, 2005
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New apartment building (in planning) for Waterloo

105 University Avenue East

This 13 & 8 storey apartment complex accommodates 198 units composed of three and four bedroom units aimed primarily at a university student population but constructed as regular apartments for future flexibility. The building is self-contained with a range of indoor and outdoor amenities, full security, maintenance services and minor resident-oriented commercial uses. Parking for 350 cars is accommodated in two floors of underground structure.

Cost: $30 Million
Size: 250,000 sq ft

http://www.somfayarchitect.com/105University.jpg

http://www.somfayarchitect.com/105Universityrendering.jpg

Now thats a nice apartment building. Hopefully Uni Ave will be lined wall to wall with them in the near future.

Yes, that'd be pretty cool!

Yea that's a nice apartment. Though are they planning to use bricks for the exterior?

I believe they are.

NEWS FLASH September 10, 2005
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Uptown photos taken this morning!

Firstly, the new building on the Seagrams Lands @ 7 Father David Bauer Dr- it will have two floors of office space and one floor of luxury apartments, of which there will only be three. A sign has gone up to advertise the available units. The mastermind of this building and neighbouring restaurant Sole, is Peter de Groot, who based the new building on a previously existing building that was on the Seagrams lands, but was, unfortunately, demolished. However, he travelled all over Quebec and Europe in search of the perfect design, down to every detail- a lot of work for a small 3-storey structure. It will be nice to see a completed streetscape along Father David Bauer drive once the building is constructed...

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Secondly, the new outward-facing storefronts at Waterloo Town Square shopping centre- Willis Way (the new street) will be complete within one and a half months and these new stores open shortly thereafter. Note the new framework and drywall. The raised section halfway down the building is where the entrance into the indoor mall will be…

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Damn, why is Waterloo getting all the new goodies.

Bauer development news is coming soon I hope

Got any information about Waterloo light rail transit plan? I am really interested in that.

I know our mayor in Hamilton is looking very closely to the whole transit system.

Quote from Mayor Larry Di Ianni

"Well, for a long time I've been a proponent of light rail. In fact, when I visited Dalyan [sp?] recently, and saw their light rail, it was just wonderful, just a wonderful system. And I'm keeping a close eye on Waterloo, which is undergoing some planning now for light rail. We'll see how that goes. Their challenge will be how to fund it as well, at the end of the day."

The LRT is on its way... but as much as I support it, I think your city is going to have alot of trouble getting the funding... this is North America after all, and it has no idea about public transit.

Here's what I've found:

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PLANNING THE FIRST STEP FOR
WATERLOO REGION LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT

KITCHENER - The Government of Canada, the Government of Ontario and the Region of Waterloo today announced joint funding of up to $2.5 million for technical studies and an environmental assessment for a Light Rail Transit project serving the Region of Waterloo.

The studies will examine a proposed 14-kilometre light rail transit section along the central transit corridor, which will run north-south to connect the cities of Kitchener and Waterloo. This line would be the first phase of a 30-kilometre line that will ultimately extend to Cambridge.

Transport Canada and the Region of Waterloo will equally share the cost of the technical studies, to a maximum of $500,000. The environmental assessment will be funded jointly by the Government of Ontario and the Region of Waterloo. The total cost of all the studies is estimated at up to $2.5 million.

"The Government of Canada is committed to improving our transportation system, and public transit is an important priority," said Minister Responsible for Ontario and Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development, Joe Volpe, on behalf of Transport Minister Tony Valeri. "Projects such as the Light Rail Transit system demonstrate how we are working with our partners to address our common priorities. Completing the studies needed to advance the proposed Light Rail Transit project builds on the government’s previous commitment to assist the Region of Waterloo with its central transit corridor express project expected to start in September 2005."

"The way we plan for growth today will determine how we live tomorrow," said Ontario’s Minister of Public Infrastructure Renewal, David Caplan. "We are giving municipalities tools to build strong communities that provide a better quality of life by limiting gridlock, controlling urban sprawl and protecting greenspace. This is a great example of how governments can work together to improve communities."

"Light Rail Transit in Waterloo Region positions our community to improve our excellent quality of life and economic success as we transition to a large urban centre," said Regional Chair of the Region of Waterloo, Ken Seiling. "The Light Rail Transit initiative is a visionary, holistic approach to community planning that intrinsically links transportation infrastructure with the achievement of our land use objectives."

The technical studies will:

demonstrate how best to support anticipated urban growth through transit investment and land use planning;
assess various transit options for the region and how they can be integrated with other transportation services;
provide detailed ridership projections for the proposed new transit line; and
provide detailed cost-benefit analyses.

Today’s announcement reinforces the commitments of the governments of Canada and Ontario towards sustainable communities through investments in public transit that provide a better quality of life by limiting gridlock, controlling urban sprawl and protecting greenspace. The federal and provincial governments are working together to deliver real, positive change in the Region of Waterloo and across the province.

Federal funding for the technical studies will be provided through Transport Canada’s $600 million Strategic Highway Infrastructure Program, which funds studies that examine better integration of transportation systems.

As these studies are underway, the Government of Canada will continue to work with the Government of Ontario and the Region of Waterloo to determine the best approach for transportation services in the area and to examine the potential for future federal, provincial and municipal infrastructure funding for these projects.

A backgrounder on the Light Rail Transit project is attached.

Contacts:
Christina Van Loon
Office of the Minister of Transport
Ottawa
(613) 991-0700 Jacques Gravel
Transport Canada
Communications, Ottawa
(613) 993-0055
Ross Parry
Office of Minister Caplan
(416) 325-1657 Bryan Stortz
Office of Mr. Seiling
(519) 575-4408

Transport Canada is online at www.tc.gc.ca. Subscribe to news releases and speeches at apps.tc.gc.ca/listserv/ and keep up-to-date on the latest from Transport Canada.

For information on Public Infrastructure Renewal please visit the Ministry of Public Infrastructure Renewal's Web site at www.pir.gov.on.ca.

This news release may be made available in alternative formats for persons with visual disabilities.


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BACKGROUNDER
REGION OF WATERLOO LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT PROJECT

Waterloo is one of the fastest growing communities in Canada and is responding to many of the same challenges being faced by mid-sized urban areas throughout North America. These challenges include outward pressure on urban boundaries and downtown areas in need of revitalization.

The Regional Growth Strategy adopted by the Region of Waterloo on June 25, 2003, links the development of transportation infrastructure with the achievement of land use objectives, including higher densities along a planned 30-kilometre central transit corridor linking the cities of Kitchener and Waterloo and ultimately extending south to Cambridge.

The Light Rail Transit project would be integrated with the express bus service to Cambridge, the municipal transit system, intercity bus services, GO Transit and VIA Rail. This project would support the redevelopment goals in the region as laid out in the Regional Growth Management Strategy.

The federal and provincial governments believe that the proposed project has excellent potential to encourage a more sustainable urban environment and will work with the Region of Waterloo to further investigate the proposal.

Technical Studies
The technical studies to be completed will:

-further demonstrate how best to support anticipated urban growth through transit investment and land use planning;
-assess various transit options for the region and how they can be integrated with other transportation services;
-provide detailed ridership projections for the proposed new transit line; and
-provide detailed cost-benefit analyses.

The information gathered through these studies will inform and could supplement the environmental assessment.

Environmental Assessment
The environmental assessment will be funded jointly by the Government of Ontario and the Region of Waterloo. It will encompass a detailed design of the proposed light rail transit project. It is expected that completing the technical studies will accelerate the environmental assessment process.

Funding
Transport Canada and the Region of Waterloo will equally share the cost of the technical studies up to a maximum of $500,000. The environmental assessment will be funded jointly by the Government of Ontario and the Region of Waterloo. The total cost for all the studies is estimated at up to $2.5 million.

Federal funding for the technical studies will be provided for under Transport Canada’s $600 million Strategic Highway Infrastructure Program, which funds work to examine better integration of transportation systems.

Other Support for the Waterloo Region
The Government of Canada is currently funding urban transit projects in the Region of Waterloo. The Central Transit Corridor Express Project will link Cambridge, Kitchener and Waterloo with cycle-friendly, express bus service along a clearly defined corridor. The service will incorporate innovative technologies such as information technology to provide real-time transit information and web-based trip planning opportunities. The service is expected to start in September 2005.

The Province of Ontario has been assisting the Region of Waterloo in replacing and refurbishing their transit fleet (buses). The Province has also committed funding support to the Region of Waterloo for express bus services from Kitchener to Cambridge. The services will help build ridership along the Central Transit Corridor, bus and passenger facilities and advanced transit technologies.

(May 2004)

Credit for this article goes to www.tg.gc.ca

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Just as much, I would recommend this link if you want to see the many results that a google search will yield on the topic:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=waterloo+light+rail&meta=

Thanx for the information!

NEWS FLASH September 12, 2005
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Waterloo's CBD is changing significantly- and rapidly!

Wow! The Willis Way storefronts are really going up rapidly!

As well, the hoarding is up along King St. from the mall down to the church, and the sidewalk along this stretch of our main street is closed for a year now. Construction on the next phase of the Town Square starts soon- the office building KPMG will reside in, and its neighbour building.

--dead images--

The renderings look very trendy and sophisticated.

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The Uptown Waterloo renaissance has begun!!!

Well, I was actually in the city today, and WOW! The ambience was amazing, and I have never seen so much happening there all at once!

There were many people, alone and in groups, on bikes and on foot, many of them spectators to the excavators tearing up sections of King Street in preparation for the new sewers to service the new and upcoming Willis Way extension. It was chaos!!! That stretch of Uptown/ King St. is now a large construction zone... The south end of Town Square is really coming along- the new shops and facades are going up REALLY quickly, and on the north end, the parking lot is being made more pedestrianised... Lucy's Restaurant (an increasingly popular hangout) is getting more windows (no more big ugly brick wall) and a large outdoor deck, it appears, which would be very nice. I never heard anything about those plans, but that's what is happening.

Anyways, the demolition hoarding is gone, and construction hoarding is up along King St., the sidewalk being closed. Meanwhile the work on the streets, north end of the mall, south end of the mall, the new small apartment building across from the library, and the grading of the south end parking lot (open in December) was going on... much work, all at once!

Overall, VERY exciting... and the OMB appeal against Willis Way and the First Gulf-City of Waterloo land swap has been cancelled. Most business owners now realize that there is no stopping the momentum this project has gained... I am not just saying this to 'put a cherry on top'- I would have never expected it to catch on so well.

Anyways, progress is being made... and finally... the renaissance is off to a chaotic (in a good way) start!

Great updates! I drove through King Street from the expressway all the way to Conestoga Mall on Friday night... it's great to see such a vibrant city... all the parking spots were taken!

Also went to the East Side Mario's near King/Expressway... it's huge!!!! :D

Be nice to get more patio cafes down that end of Uptown Waterloo. Sounds like this should be a nice addition in keeping with the cities character.

I will try to post some pictures later...

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Aug. 27...

New apartments under construction at Dorset and Princess St.

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/newapartments.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/med6.jpg

Okay, alot has changed on these new apartments on Dorset St...

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/sept1805newapts.JPG

I still have no idea what they are... I am hoping they aren't student apartments, but are just normal, for-anyone apartments, to bring more people to Uptown. However, we need ALOT more residential construction in the Waterloo CBD or we are in trouble! However, as pleasant as the architecture is, it doesn't add as much to the streetscape as I would have hoped for.... however, it is definitely better than it was before.

Okay, Town Square picture update... these were taken on September 18th, and they really don't do much justice for how different the site looks... they are horrible photos, but hopefully they give you a better feel for the area:

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/sept18a.JPG

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/sept18b.JPG

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/sept18c.JPG

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Rendering of Block D...

Block D is now under construction. It will be home to retail on the ground floor, and office space above, half of which will be occupied by international company KPMG, which currently resides in the Marsland Centre, which is also Uptown. In August 2006 KPMG will move to this new building which will front onto the King St. sidewalk, but the hoarding is already up and excavation will soon begin.

The first picture below is a photo of a photo, so forgive the pathetic quality. The building was designed by the excellent architect Joseph Bogdan, and is the first of the mixed-use blocks to go up on King St. in this project.

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/KPMGblock.JPG

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/bg3.jpg

It is the building on the left in this picture:

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/bg1.jpg

Once again, if you have any questions for me about any aspect or detail of this project, please post it here.

-SP!RE

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Willis Way is going in and Uptown is better than ever!

The new storefronts along the to-be section of Willis Way have windows now and are going in very quickly... sewers are going in for the new street, and new hip and urban tenants are going into the indoor mall now, like Heel Boy, a shoe showroom for men and women, ironically. As well, there are many other new retail tenants... it's rather exciting. Lucy's Restaurant now has a large patio/deck and that has improved the big brick wall of the north side of the mall. Enjoy...

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SCOOP!

Block C may look something like this... the design will be toned down quite a bit, but hopefully the best elements are kept for the actual building, as they were in Block D, which has so far been the only revealed new mixed-use block in the Waterloo Town Square project.

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/possibleblockc.jpg

I can't believe how little interest there is in this project! :O... It's pretty darn good for a city of 105,000 if you ask me- but I refuse to move to SSP ;)

I can't believe how little interest there is in this project! :O... It's pretty darn good for a city of 105,000 if you ask me- but I refuse to move to SSP

Mabe if you post new development! :)

I can't believe how little interest there is in this project! :O... It's pretty darn good for a city of 105,000 if you ask me- but I refuse to move to SSP ;)

We do care about the projects, SP!RE, and its tremendous for the city of Waterloo, in redeveloping their old town square which, IMO, was a piece of crap, we'll have to see what this does. It might spruce and trend up the city just a little bit. We appreciate all the Waterloo Town Square developments, but some of us are focused on other projects going on in other cities as well and some other projects in K-W as well!

BTW, speaking of Waterloo, if you have ever heard of www.thecookingladies.com, they are two ladies who have travelled all over the world and have come up with unique recipes and their cookbook is a best-selling cookbook, available in Home Hardware stores and in other stores around North America. I actually know those two ladies quite well and they are based in Waterloo! Used to own their own catering company in Waterloo as well. Again, not that it is irrelevant, but I thought I would mention that.

I always wondered if I could apply or send in my resume for a job @ RIM, but they're NOT gonna want a small-town programmer like me, they've got more intelligent and smarter individuals working for them.

SP!RE I check SSC daily to read your posts, and I enjoy all the pictures that you take! Great updates, it's nice to see how it progresses!

Great developments in the Waterloo area. :)

It might spruce and trend up the city just a little bit.

Thanks for your comments everyone. However, Jaybird, I think you are underestimating the development. Especially since Uptown Waterloo is lacking (alot) in terms of office and residential development, this is a huge, huge boost because there will be LOTS of new office space and a nice amount of intertwined residential units.

However, the original plan was far more extensive, although it was far too large, it was a whole new downtown practically, and it is for those reasons that it was cancelled after all... ;)

Yes, keep up the good work SP!RE.

Sorry.. I don't mean to make it look like I'm milking compliments or anything... it's just hard to keep doing updates when you feel like noone is using seeing them or anything... I am glad you all commented though, because now I want to continue! :) haha

Well back to the updates...

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Good news for a fast-growing city in which the newer parts are rarely as nice as the old ones- and a proud step for a city of this size...



"City starts work on new vision for its urban design"

(Sep 28, 2005)

The bricks are starting to be laid on a path towards a vision for the future of Waterloo's urban development.

Waterloo city council recently approved city staff's request to hire a consultant who will create a set of urban design guidelines that would be used to navigate the look, feel and function of the city.

The City of Waterloo plans to spend $147,000 on hiring the consultant who will examine and establish principles that will help in shaping the community's vision on what the physical and functional form of their city should be like.

The guidelines would then help act as a policy which staff and the community can use to determine whether or not a new development fits into the kind of niche that they are trying to develop for the city.

Cameron Rapp, the interim director of development services for the City of Waterloo, said there are currently so many different design guidelines being used throughout the city in different areas, such as Columbia Hills and Laurelwood, that it's confusing to understand what the direction is that the city is trying to take.

"We think it's best that we do a comprehensive review of what we expect development to look like in our area," Rapp said.

The new set of guidelines is also meant to help eliminate inconsistencies or loopholes that occur, by ensuring that a comprehensive amendment process is followed each time there are changes made to Waterloo's urban development.

City staff is only searching for the consultant at this time, with plans to have one hired by next month, before continuing onto a four-stage process that will be conducted in developing the urban design guidelines.

The first phase, which is expected to last until January 2006, will involve conducting preliminary research by examining the pre-existing design guidelines in Waterloo.

The consultant would also look at what sort of design frameworks are being used in other cities of comparative size, how they are being implemented, and what sort of guidelines would be most appropriate for Waterloo.

Coun. Gary Kieswetter, who voted against hiring a consultant for the research study, said he felt uncomfortable spending such a large amount of money on something he felt came out of nowhere.

"I'm just a little confused on why we're spending $147,000 on a consultant. I need a better understanding of why we're spending this and I'm just a little confused why all of sudden this is coming up."

Rapp told city council the amount of money that the city would be spending on the consultant is reasonable in comparison to how much other communities have spent conducting similar studies.

Coun. Jim Bolger said he knows the landscape of the city's urban core will more than likely look a lot different 20 years from now.

"But we shouldn't have to wait until we approve all of the plans (that we have). We should have the guidelines (in place) before the plans," Bolger said.

Once city council approves the consultant's research, work will be done to draft the urban design guidelines as well as a draft implementation plan for the guidelines.

The consultant would return to council to seek their approval of the guidelines that are recommended and seek any input.

City staff expects to have the urban development guidelines completed and implemented by November 2006.

Thanks for your comments everyone. However, Jaybird, I think you are underestimating the development. Especially since Uptown Waterloo is lacking (alot) in terms of office and residential development, this is a huge, huge boost because there will be LOTS of new office space and a nice amount of intertwined residential units.

However, the original plan was far more extensive, although it was far too large, it was a whole new downtown practically, and it is for those reasons that it was cancelled after all... ;)

That is true, I keep forgetting the kind of situation Waterloo is in, and its population and such, but more office space will be perfect for all these high-tech firms and jobs that seem to be so popular in that region.

...exactly :)

Sorry if I ever sound really protective of the city and like I am advertising. I only say the truth about Waterloo and I am just trying to get its name out there, and also help midsize/smaller cities gain popularity on SSC as well as large/massive cities. :)

Anyways I was Uptown today... holy shmoley the development is going quickly!

I will post pictures soon.

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October 1st, 2005
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Okay, well I went Uptown Waterloo today, and once again I was very surprised. Construction on the Town Square is garnering much attention. At the free Oktoberfest pancake breakfast and Barrel Races next weekend (which is usually at the Town Square but this year is moved to City Centre due to construction) I am sure some mention will be made of the changes and some excitement will be expressed. Once again, this year, Waterloo Town Square is a sponsor of Oktoberfest activities.

Anyways, digging for the foundations of the new office block on King St. was underway as I was Uptown today, and the work on the new parking lot (which will be hidden behind buildings) continues. The Willis Way facades are almost finished now, which is almost incredible, and the wires for signs and window/exterior finish details are beginning to happen. Exciting stuff! As well, Willis Way's sewers and underground sewer system have been finished.

The rest of Uptown was quite busy, which was also nice to see. The weather was nice, which meant numerous patio cafes were open and crowded. I am excited about hearing the feedback..! And perhaps next weekend the exteriors will go up on the Willis Way storefronts.

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Compare the above with...

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/williswayrendering.jpg

I was in Waterloo in late August and can't believe how fast things are progressing.

Thanks for your efforts.

The area that is to be turned into an outdoor market area (the ValuMart will be doing this... it's not typical ValuMart... it's the Uptown ValuMart ;)) is shown in the photos below. It'd be ever so nice if they could get that market started next summer!!!

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http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/market2.JPG

It's very surprising that First Gulf has not modernized/downtown-ized the ValuMart section of the mall, but this is an improvement that will definitely come when the rest of the project is complete. The possibility for this section of the building is quite exciting, and my depiction shown below was only created (in a rush, too) to give a general idea for little things that would improve the area significantly. However, a more open and airy redevelopment with much use of large windows is more likely.

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/townsquareoutdoormarketdepiction.jpg

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October 5th, 2005
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Okay, Block C's design has been unveiled... here is the rendering and some facts. Generally, I am very disappointed in its design after seeing the other concepts (which were similar but better) for this stretch of King St...

Official Rendering:
http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/BLOCKc.jpg

Facts:
-located corner of Willis Way and King St.
-75,000 square feet
-RBC Financial Group is the anchor tenant (currently situated in downtown Kitchener)
-construction begins in December
-first floor consists of lobby, office tenants, and retail uses
-separated from Block D by a pedestrian walkway

They've released the final plans for the UW campus in downtown Kitchener which was on the telly. Waiting for a picky to hit the paper and I'll post. Its much taller than I expected for a university building.

^ Beat you to it:

http://www.bulletin.uwaterloo.ca/2005/oct/04tu.html

I will make a post about that development shortly.

Thanks for letting everyone know :)

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October 6th, 2005
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Waterloo's newest and most exciting ever project! The BAUER SITE redevelopment!!!

http://www.bauerlofts.com/

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New rendering of Block D shown today...

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/BLOCKd3.jpg

I love projects that converts a warehouse into lofts.

The Bauer project is K-W's most popular currently.

The Bauer factories are being turned into restaurants, boutique shopping and offices, whereas the new building is where the condos are.

It's quite exciting and will make Uptown Waterloo's boundaries bigger and will add much to the Uptown in general... :) Our mayor is flipping pumped about it!!!

http://www.waterlootownsquare.com/construction/aerial_picture.jpg

They've released the final plans for the UW campus in downtown Kitchener which was on the telly. Waiting for a picky to hit the paper and I'll post. Its much taller than I expected for a university building.

http://www.bulletin.uwaterloo.ca/images/2005/1004pharmacy.jpg

Sexy! It's good to hear that big asphalt and dirt eyesore will be put to use.

Guys, reply to the thread about THE BAUER BUILDINGS development in the Construction Updates section at the top of the SSC Main Page... let's make midsize/smaller cities known on SSC!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=5788803

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Another very exciting redevelopment for Uptown Waterloo!
(Waterloo, Ontario, Canada Population 140,000)


The Development

Uptown Waterloo is undergoing a transformation and it’s all starting at the historic Bauer Industries building. Situated on the corner of King and Allen, this century-old address will soon host industrial-style loft residences, street front stores, indoor markets and continue its tradition of housing Waterloo’s dynamic business community.

The Bauer Lofts are at the heart of the Bauer Buildings, a vibrant urban destination that’s more than just a residential community. Stroll along pedestrian walkways that once served as thoroughfares weaving through the original Bauer Industries complex. Browse through popular stores and boutiques that will occupy the renovated original building. Experience an indoor market filled with fresh, organic produce and specialty food shops. Day or night, the Bauer Buildings will spoil you for choice.

Whether it’s where you live or work, shop or entertain the Bauer Buildings are destined to become a popular uptown neighbourhood.
The Bauer Buildings. Where you want to be.

The Lofts

Live and entertain in a modern loft space where signature architecture meets industrial design. Come home to a bright, open-concept loft space with 10 foot high ceilings and a spectacular 8 foot high entrance door.
Loft sizes range from 600 to 1200 square feet and are offered in a variety of floor plans including one bedroom, one bedroom with den, two bedroom and two bedroom with two full bathrooms and den. The inside of the units also feature 8 foot high pocket doors.

Whether you’re preparing a snack or a sumptuous five-course meal, you’ll enjoy the well-appointed bistro style kitchen with center island and stylishly modern cabinetry. Let daily stress drift away as you unwind in a spa-like bathroom. Enjoy the view from your private terrace as many of the lofts overlook the open courtyard of the Bauer Buildings.
Destined to become a coveted address, the distinctive loft residences stylishly blend the old with the new creating a versatile and intimate space.

Choose the floor plan that suits your lifestyle and enjoy the luxury of the Bauer Lofts standard features. You can also customize your space with a variety of upgradeable finishes and features. The decision is yours. After all it's your life. Your loft.

(Floor plans will soon be available on the website, along with a list of custom finishes. Register now for priority previewing of model suites.)

The Marketplace

The Bauer Buildings on the corner of King and Allen Streets are surrounded by many of the uptown landmarks and attractions and are nearby an abundance of area amenities. The Bauer Buildings themselves, however, will be home to a collection of Waterloo feature shops, boutiques, and restaurants. Most notable, the Bauer Buildings will be highlighted by an indoor marketplace that will not only serve the residents of the Bauer Lofts but is sure to become a popular destination for all of Waterloo.

Your loft overlooks an outdoor promenade brimming with possibility. Step outside your door to shop in popular boutiques. Dine out in your favourite restaurants or grab a coffee and snack to go at the local gourmet cafe.
Retreat to the indoor marketplace to find the freshest meats and cheeses or discover distinctive antipastos in an exclusive specialty food shop. Select your produce from a rich assortment of organic fruits and vegetables at the open-concept fresh food market.

Live in this historic neighbourhood and discover the vibrant lifestyle of a dynamic community. Be a part of the last redevelopment opportunity on an original Waterloo industrial site.

Renderings:

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Okay some update photos for Uptown... the exteriors on the Willis Way shops are going up (hence the scaffolding), and Willis Way is all done in terms of sewer work... the shops will be quite attractive, and landscaped and pedestrian-friendly 5-metre sidewalks with street furniture and lamps will only add to it. 13 new stores opening throughout November...

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nice update! Waterloo is gonna have a way nicer downtown than Kitchener!!! ;) Now all we need is some skyscrapers that aren't insurance buildings! :D are you a planning student at UW Sp!re?

I'm a Toronto guy actually, but I visit Waterloo regularly. I love Uptown, it's so cute!

BREAKING NEWS 700 More New Residential Units for Uptown Waterloo!
October 22, 2005

Announced as of today officially, Auburn Development Corp. of London, Ontario will soon reveal a mixed-use "homes and apartment buildings" development propsal on the Canbar Lands- the last major industrial site to be transformed in Uptown Waterloo. This will definitely bring business to the area's shops, and will create a more balanced neighbourhood demographic to the area and more vibrancy, for sure.

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/canbarlands.JPG

Thanks for the update. That lot could also have been developed into a hotel, but the residential development is also very good.

I think the new library planned for the centre block in Kitchener plus the two university campuses will inject much life into its centre. I wouldn't worry too much about downtown Kitchener as it has plenty of loft conversions happening so it too will come along like Waterloo. It's the same with Galt since UW opened there. It was deader than a doornail before. Galt also has the advantage of great historic buildings in its core. Kitchener in contrast is more like a northern English city - lots of red brick and loft potential but its still on the up and up. If Manchester can't gentrify so can Kitchener. Besides it has a rather dark, satantic quality about it which makes it stand out from your typical SW Ontario cities. Kitchener is less small town and more urban than its neighbors.

As for Waterloo, the big thing it needs now is a hotel downtown. It needs something big in the centre and this region is terribly short on quality hotels. Yes, we have a Delta, Radisson and a Holiday Inn. Still we could do better. I still think the Waterloo Inn is the regions biggest corporate hotel. Thats pretty sad really, especially considering its rather suburban setting near Conestoga Mall & Expressway.

" It needs something big in the centre "

What makes you feel that Uptown Waterloo 'needs' another big project? .. just out of curiosity. ;)


But, yes, downtown Kitchener is getting much better and it will pick up sooo much more.. I should report more about Kitchener too, I think. :)

Good idea.

Kitchener is finally getting better, but it has a much further way to go than Waterloo, not that Waterloo is all that great either.

Yes, they both need some continued development. However, don't underestimate the power of...

Downtown Kitchener:
-two university campuses + a new tower
-numerous loft developments
-new market (well, sort of new.. gaining popularity) and the Market District
-better public spaces
-new downtown library on Centre Block

Uptown Waterloo:
-Canbar Lands residential development
-Waterloo Town Square
-The Bauer Buildings
-continued development on Seagrams Lands

It will be interesting to see how much these development projects boost the area...

" It needs something big in the centre "

What makes you feel that Uptown Waterloo 'needs' another big project? .. just out of curiosity. ;)


But, yes, downtown Kitchener is getting much better and it will pick up sooo much more.. I should report more about Kitchener too, I think. :)


Uptown has lots of stuff but I still have to go to Conestoga Mall most times. I suppose if your rich though you can live on boutique shopping. Just wish it had more 'pull' to it. The cinema's are good. I can like without Hollywood movies. I just mean its lacking in certain respects. It's not like I can go downtown to buy socks and underwear for example. My grandma might manage but unless I want rubber underwear at the Stag Shop I'd be pretty much screwed. Actually that sounded bad. LOL Oh what I'm I talking about this is Waterloo, NOT Kitchener. Like I'd ever get screwed in Waterloo, like really. hehe Yeah, like that will happen when the NDP form the federal government.

Anyway, back to my shopping complaining. Uptown is great if your well heeled but its not exactly poor student friendly. Maybe alright for students from Toronto kept by the parents visa card; but they don't exactly want Ma & Pa Walmart shopper in the core it would seem. Anyway, I'm neither Bargin Village nor boutique silvertail boy. Waterloo is getting too chi chi for me as a mere student. I mean we don't even have a McDonalds because the closest Uptown gets to slumming is a Subway & Tim Horten's franchise.

Uptown is great for a $5 gelati and a Spanish film but still it lacks in everyday items to draw more people. I miss that old Zellers. Wasn't it a Zellers - like way back when - probably before most of your time. I'm 36, so I tend to remember Waterloo Town Square back when it was actually buzzing and full of shops. You needed tiolet paper you went downtown. You wanted a CD you went downtown. Everything was downtown! Speaking of shopping I even remember when the relatively central Westmount Mall was a BIG deal. Now its nothing more than a Dairy Queen with an Insurance Office attached! lol Be nice if it just had something for the mere masses. I hate being restricted to malls in the suburbs.

I don't drive yet I'm forced to bus it to the burbs TO BUY THINGS. Strangely even in Kitchener I had to go to the suburbs for groceries. Sure there is a market but its hardly Zehrs and the hours aren't exactly great for most mere mortals THAT WORK. I can't wait for the day when Kitchener-Waterloo caters to people like me - people that don't own cars. In this city - I know, that's a totally bizzare concept. If you don't drive in this town, people look at your like some unfortunate thing with brain cancer. Oh you poor dear. Your in Waterloo - your must drive - its wrong not too! God! I live for the day when drive thru banks and donut shops are totally frowned upon in this town.

The city needs more urban creatures like me. Get that darn LRT built and quite merely talking about it. I think the LRT will help better "shape" the city. For infrastructure ALONE its worth the money. This region needs shaping..... in an dense urban way. Besides, I don't want a loft apartment in Uptown Waterloo - only to have visit suburban Conestoga Mall every single time I run out of dish soap or tiolet paper. It basics like that where Uptown sucks supreme.
ps. And no I can't survive on the Shoppers Drug Mart & Valuemart alone. Uptown Waterloo certainly needs more still. It was more exciting in the 1970's but I see no reason to be ok with that. Downtown should hummmmmm

great post tri-city-guy!!!

what KW really needs is this:
http://www.grmonorail.ca/

or Skytrain tech instead of at grade light rail (imo). Unless the light rail has exclusive ROW. If it's on-street, why not just keep the express 101 buses.

"Uptown has lots of stuff but I still have to go to Conestoga Mall most times. I suppose if your rich though you can live on boutique shopping."

Actually, it won't be boutique shopping @ Town Square... the idea is a large department store feel with every service and thing you need in one place... not to argue, I just mean for your benefit to keep that in mind :)

As well it's easy to look on any time back in the past and remember it as the 'good old days' but Uptown was far smaller and was horrible in other peoples' opinions... however, it's swinging back into a place where you can get anything... but without the K-Mart or Liquidation World which is shameful for a downtown. There are plenty of other places Uptown to buy your toilet paper. And underwear?.. you should tell some clothes store Uptown to start stocking their shelves... ;)

Okay, here's the scoop- my photo hosting site completely crashed and I lost all my photos in my account. I could get all angry in the comfort of my home because I lost some digital photos while children in the third world starve, but I have decided to slowly rebuild the collection of pictures.

Anyways, I am going to post some photos below for those who are interested but have noticed that all the photos on the previous pages are red X's now.

The new shops along Willis Way. These shops' exteriors are almost done now:
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The soon-to-be-constructed 115 King St...
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The soon-to-be-constructed 95 King St...
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Demolition photos from all around the web... this mall was just one large love-hate affair...

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great post tri-city-guy!!!

what KW really needs is this:
http://www.grmonorail.ca/

or Skytrain tech instead of at grade light rail (imo). Unless the light rail has exclusive ROW. If it's on-street, why not just keep the express 101 buses.

Hey goravens
Interesting link there. I've seen the plans for the light rail but monorail would be interesting, might even suit the cities layout and geography better. If its more efficient it might be worth considering. However, my only concern about monorail would be how it would cope in winter and the cost. I'd image monorail would be more expensive than light rail. Could be wrong.

Thanks for that link. I live right by R&T Tech park so that planned route info was most interesting. Unfortunately I'm a bit further up towards Lakeshore so that new Express service falls short of serving this area.

What they need is an Express now from Congesta College to Conestoga Mall via Fisher Hallman via UW and Lakeshore & Northfield. Its a growing part of the city so I know that is the next express route that GRT have in the cards.

As well it's easy to look on any time back in the past and remember it as the 'good old days' but Uptown was far smaller and was horrible in other peoples' opinions... however, it's swinging back into a place where you can get anything... but without the K-Mart or Liquidation World which is shameful for a downtown. There are plenty of other places Uptown to buy your toilet paper. And underwear?.. you should tell some clothes store Uptown to start stocking their shelves... ;)[/QUOTE]

LOL Your must be straight! Your all so easily pleased. Just build a Shoppers Drug Mart and your shopping needs are met for life. I'm just kidding ya mate.

Call me greedy and god forbid honest, but with regards to selection Uptown Waterloo has a long way to go to become a 'Patula Clark' song.

Downtown I think NOT. hehe Small Town.... sure.

Seriously though, you can say it - you won't get tarred and feathered..its retail selection does lack something terrible.

Hell, the day they ever announce the opening of a Starbucks, GAP and Old Navy Uptown, well to be honest I'd probably have a stroke. I seriously hope the selection of stores does improve with the opening of the KMPG strip mall. It can ONLY get better.

They've already mentioned to the public that GAP, Old Navy etc. won't be opening in the Uptown until many many local tenants have been selected. We want to help ourselves by not relying on large chain stores like that.

It's hard to give up Conestoga Mall, but you can support Uptown Waterloo if you shift your tastes just a little to the less mainstream, however I realize most people would rather get that pair of shoes that they like most.

-thryve

November 3, 2005 Update:

-Willis Way paving starts soon
-brick and stucco going up on the 13 new storefronts
-interior fitting and entrance work beginning on new section


***New pics. up tomorrow

Things are really coming together.

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OMG, the memories, the memories!!

^^ Haha, I know what you mean...

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November 5th, 2005
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The painting of the stucco isn't done, and the entrance's "hat" isn't complete either, but the shops along the soon-to-be Willis Way are almost finished... it's really exciting!

In my latest visit to Uptown Waterloo, I ventured onto the construction site and got exclusive close-up shots of the Town Square... there are many many many but I will post a select few tomorrow.

As well... exciting news... contrary to my prior knowledge- THE FOUNDATIONS FOR THE OFFICE BUILDING ARE ALMOST DONE!

Enjoi~ thryve

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the future? ;)

^^ LOL. We can only dream.

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The shops along the soon-to-be Willis Way (a new street) are almost complete, with tenants soon to take over construction. Meanwhile, in the last photo, you can see the foundations going in for the new office building.

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Please stop with the uptown update :sleepy:

^^Actually, it's you who ought to stop telling us about phonie future auto plants in the London area (ie. Honda). ;)

Anyway, London shouldn't hog all the attention. :jk:

Please stop with the uptown update :sleepy:

Why?

...because it's not London.

Pretty much, eh?

Keep up with the updates! Its all starting to progress nicely. Can't wait till they pave Willis Way.

Late December it will be open... street furniture, street lamps (with "Uptown" banners hehe... a true sign of being in Uptown Waterloo), trees, a road... you name it!

And about ldoto... well I visit his thread and contribute... guess he just feels like ruining my day, but it didn't work now, did it? ;)

Just in time for Christmas! Great. Now if there's a God I'll get my GAP Store. LOL There is talk of a hotel still. We need something between 100-200 rooms with conference facilities.

Did you see that article in the paper recently (I think it was the weekend or this past Friday) about the need for a hotel in Uptown Waterloo. Even the manager of the boutique Waterloo Hotel agreed, provided it was a larger conference hotel. Apparently, Waterloo is really short on conference facilities and furthermore there's a need for higher end hotels - four 1/2 to five star sort of thing. The article said something about RIM & UW (so thats where my tuition is going, eh?) having to send their big cheese visitors over to Langdon Hall in Cambridge. Seems Kitchener and Waterloo hotels are either not up to standard and most wanted to be closer to Uptown Waterloo & the uni's.

I think you posted earlier a picture of the expanding Holiday Inn (conference centre) and there's a Hampton Inn nearing completion at Sportsworld that I didn't know about.

It's too bad that all the new ones mentioned in the article were in Kitchener and Cambridge, as far as I can recall. Waterloo has a serious lack of hotels/rooms.

Thanks for mentioning that, Tri-City Guy... to clear it all up in a few sentences, we already knew that there is a need for a well-located (Uptown Waterloo) large hotel, possibly with a conference centre. This would mean a larger-type tall hotel.

A recent article, however, brings up the issue of a boutique hotel being needed in Uptown Waterloo...

so, maybe soon we will get both :)

I say, put the large hotel on Caroline St. and work it into a future streetscape along that street, and put the boutique hotel on King St. or on the Seagrams lands. :) (the latter would use reclaimed brick, I should hope ;))

Anyways, that's where it's at... thanks for mentioning it, Tri-City Guy.

The uptown construction in Waterloo is looking pretty good! :)

That old mall in downtown Waterloo looks very cheesy. Thankfully, hopefully it will be torn down! :)

The new Willis Way shops are being built along the old side of the mall though... slowly the other facades of the mall are being developed into a striking lifestyle center... but the mall building underneath will remain.

WOW I didn't even know this forum exist. My house is literally a 5-minute walk from the Valu-Mart plaza. I live on Erb Street, behind the Waterloo sports complex. I still like King Street for McMullen’s. When are all these new fancy stores going into the plaza? From a student perspective there is nothing to exciting in that plaza right now. I would still rather take the bus and head to Conestoga Mall or Fairview Mall.

Yes I do my grocery shopping in that Valu – Mart but those jerks wouldn’t hire me part time. BOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Ya I hope Kitchener fixes up its downtown, right now it really sucks and there's nothing to do.

^^ What do you mean? Don't they still have that laser place? ;)

Umm what's it called... Laser Quest? Yeah, I believe it's still there!

ya laser quest! lol, its not as great as you might think, the only times i've been there was for a few birthday parties when i was younger. Now paintball is much better, which we have a few minutes from downtown.

Yeh, downtown is dead for youth - nothing to do for them. They all end up walking around fucking around.

Yea Go Golden Hawks Go! lol

Is anybody going to Ivor Wynne Stadium in Hamilton to cheer for the Golden Hawks during the Vanier Cup?

Okay... latest news is that the opening of Willis Way to pedestrians and cars is going to be in late December. (I'll be away :()

Some new tenants have been named: Gourmet Pizza, Thryve Cosmetics, and All About Crepes. They are all local shops; not franchises... it's First Gulf, (the developer)'s way of showing that they want to help our community bring in some income, not just them as a company. As well, it's nice to have your own shops to be proud of.

Come support our newest downtown shops!

-thryve

I believe I have already mentioned that the concrete foundations for the first office building (3 storeys; size of our city hall) are well underway, possibly complete.

I am now aware that the second office building has broken ground, and the foundations are being dug.

-thryve

Latest Project Timeline*

December 2005
• Construction of the new Willis Way is well underway.
It is scheduled to open for vehicular and pedestrian
traffic late in December.
• The Willis Way entrance to Waterloo Town Square
will open at the same time as the road.

January 2006
• New tenants will be open for business along Willis Way.
• Watch for Gourmet Pizza, All About Crepes and Thryve.

Through to August, 2006
• The construction of Block D, KPMG Building.

Through to December, 2006
• The construction of Block C.

*Info. credit goes to www.waterlootownsquare.com

Earlier in this thread, mention has been made about a nice little condo project on Dorset St., right in the heart of Uptown Waterloo.

I have sent an enquiry to the city of Waterloo, but it looks like it is a small condominium project. Although small in size, quality materials and construction have been used, and the finished product is very pleasing, and a welcome addition to the Uptown area. Hopefully, we get more small, quality projects like this.

I will post a photo ASAP, and more building details are to follow.

-thryve

Office Building Rising!

Today I was in Waterloo again, and to my surprise the I-Beams have arrived and tomorrow a crane will start putting them into place. The construction of Block D has begun, the foundation is done, and it's time for steelwork!

It was far too dark for photos, and my camera was home in T.O. (unfortunately) but I will see what I can do... It was unexpected, as I had no idea that the foundation on Block D was even completed.... but I guess it is.

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/115kingstreetsouth.jpg

Okay... wow! The whole orange section on the office building pictured in my above post is up now, by that I mean that it's I-Beams/frame is up.

It was rather exciting... lots of excited onlookers, massive rush-hour flying through Uptown in droves, warm, cozy-looking lit-up interiors and shops on Willis Way, Christmas decor throughout Uptown, and one MASSIVE construction site in the middle of it all... it really looks like that today!

Will post photos soon... the new office building looks considerably larger in person... holy! It dwarfs the Ali Baba even ;)

-thryve

Waterloo Town Square's new parking lot (opening in December) will be a first for Canada...

Doug Robertson, Traffic, PWS, reviewed the staff report, outlining the pedestrian walkways, green spaces, and buffer zone along Caroline Street, as well as specially designed “microstalls” for micro vehicles. He stated that if this design were implemented, Waterloo would be the first municipality in Canada to implement microstalls in an off-street parking lot. Mr. Robertston then responded to questions from Council.

"Innovative Environmental Design"... parking spaces for microcars and storage for scooters and bikes... sounds like hip urban development to me! ;)

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I think this thread should be used mainly for general KW updates, so I will try to make it more general and diverse in its content from now on. I will create an Uptown thread, which is better kept seperate at this point it seems.

There is talk of a hotel still. We need something between 100-200 rooms with conference facilities.

My dream would be that they convert the Clay and Glass Gallery into a convention centre, and build a new hotel attached to it, with underground parking, on the exsiting Perimeter Institute/ Clay+Glass Gallery parking lot.... that would be hot!

I, however, still fantasize of there being an office building (Marsland Centre II) on Caroline St. across the street from the new WTS South Parking Lot. That would really establish Caroline St. into a downtown street, not just a through-street for driving.... just one building, I say! And by the way, in 2007 or so, they will be adding boulevards and big sidewalks and street furniture on Caroline St.

I mean this office tower BTW:
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Some Caroline Street stuff from city hall for y'all...
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That would be a great spot for a hotel. Something around 200 plus rooms would be good. Funny you should pick that spot as I've often walked by thinking the same thing. You have the park, proximity to Uptown shops, big enough space to build something of a decent scale. It would even be great for the universities as they're really close if you cut through the park.

Here's that unique (in Waterloo) little apartment building I've mentioned before...

26 Dorset St., Uptown Waterloo
(across from our downtown library)

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I think it has a really cozy look to it, from the restrained use of glass and the arched windows and the general massing of the building... for some reason I like it. The pics. make it look a tad crappy, but oh well. It's Uptown near the new Waterloo Town Square development... it's tucked away on Dorset St., right behind King St... in fact I love the location of this one!

The doors haven't been painted from their standard white colour yet, and the base floor isn't done... as well, it seems like they are working on roof terraces
or something... stay tuned.

-thryve

Wow, thanks for the updates. I am actually startin to miss Waterloo :(

As a book worm, I have to ask, has there been any progress on the new proposed library? Are the heritage people still bitching about saving that dumpy old factory in the City Centre block?

The finalized plans are January I believe. Kitchener CC I think wants to knock the buildings down, if they get a private developer thats interested those buildings are toast. Its going to be a huge library. I used to live across the road from the current one, but its way too small for K-Town.

Sounds good. I'd like to see the buildings on the City Centre block gone. There isn't much on that block. Old factory, slabs of concrete in the middle, and more old ugly shops. As I've said before, out with the old - in with the new.

There was an article in The Record last week sayin the cost for the library is jumping from 44 million to somewhere between 60-75 million.

The ground there is supposedly quite contaminated and they want to build a massive underground parking lot there for the downtown.

..oh and i agree with both of you, Forsyth should be torn down, its a big pile of ****.

In case you guys haven't heard, the Forsyth factory is to be demo'd. So much for some beautiful lofts beside City Hall.


City slates Forsyth factory for demolition

Centre Block site condemned after inspector warns collapse imminent

TERRY PENDER



KITCHENER (Jan 10, 2006)

Claiming the old Forsyth factory is a threat to public safety, the city is moving quickly to demolish most of the heritage landmark.

The downtown building must be demolished within two weeks or it may fall and damage cars and pedestrians, Kitchener's chief building official said yesterday.

"This thing is in danger of collapsing, but we don't know exactly when," Jim Witmer told a special meeting of city council. "The problem is it could be tonight, it could be next week or it could be a month from now."

The decision to demolish the building shocked heritage advocates. In 1999, city council designated the Forsyth building as a landmark under the Ontario Heritage Act. Councillors did that over the objections of its then owner, who wanted to tear it down.

After the city assumed control of the property in 2001, at a cost of more than $640,000, little was done to repair or maintain the building.

Now it seems the neglect has come back to haunt councillors, who will be forced to watch demolition crews destroy what council once wanted to save.

Councillors did not even get to vote on whether the building should be torn down or repaired.

But Witmer said it was a matter of safety, which overrides any protections afforded the building by the Ontario Heritage Act.

Consulting engineers inspected the heritage landmark yesterday because city officials were worried about falling bricks.

The city had already erected barricades around parts of the building to keep people away.

"The falling bricks indicate the building is experiencing a severe mode of failure," Sze Straka Engineers wrote in a report filed late yesterday afternoon.

"The next mode of failure could be the collapse of the walls. If these concerns are not addressed soon, the situation will become worse and the barricades will have to be extended further into the streets and parking areas.

"This will still not ensure 100 per cent safety."

The consultants estimated repairs would cost about $9 million.

"What would it take to get a second opinion?" Coun. John Gazzola asked after Witmer's presentation.

"I don't feel comfortable waiting to get a second opinion, personally," Witmer said.

The decision to tear down most of the building can be appealed in court but Witmer could invoke the emergency measures contained in the Ontario Building Code and demolish the building anyway.

"It's unfortunate," said Coun. Geoff Lorentz, who predicted councillors will be getting e-mails about the destruction of the old factory.

"Public safety obviously trumps everything else," Mayor Carl Zehr said.

At least for the time being the Smyth residence, built in the 1880s and the oldest part of the building, will remain. So will the Art Deco part that was built in the 1920s. But the rest, or about two-thirds of the building, will come down.

Heritage supporters were outraged by the city's decision.

"I'm totally disgusted with the way our city councillors have handled this whole affair," said Kerry Kirby, who chairs Heritage Kitchener.

"This is too convenient, way too convenient."

For months, members of Heritage Kitchener have worried about the fate of the Forsyth factory and other old buildings on Centre Block, the downtown land bounded by King, Young, Duke and Ontario streets.

The city wants to build a new 130,000-square-foot central library on the block.

About seven months ago, architects assessed the Forsyth building and estimated it would cost about $24 million to repair it. A housing developer later contradicted that, telling Heritage Kitchener the building was essentially sound and could be fixed up for about $7 million.

The consulting engineers report filed yesterday estimated it would cost about $9 million to get the factory into "reasonably sound condition."

"I find it very hard to believe that it is in danger of imminent collapse," said Jill Armstrong, a committee member.

Annalee Moore, another member of Heritage Kitchener, blasted city councillors for not looking after the building properly when it took it over.

"It's criminal," Moore said. "It is so appalling to me that I will probably send in my resignation from Heritage Kitchener because it is a joke."

Regional Coun. Jean Haalboom is one of the Kitchener representatives on regional council who wanted to save the old factory.

"All I can say is that it is very disappointing," said Haalboom, who sits on the region's heritage planning committee.

"I am just in a state of shock, I can't believe it."

Sounds good. I'd like to see the buildings on the City Centre block gone. There isn't much on that block. Old factory, slabs of concrete in the middle, and more old ugly shops. As I've said before, out with the old - in with the new.

Don't take this offensively but either you're unaware of what building this is or you have no imagination for something grander than yet another slab condominium a la Regency.

I'd take the old factory renovated into Lofts including the Art-Deco portion and Smythe residence over a concrete condo slab anyday.

As Jane Jacobs said, no city or downtown can be succesful without buildings that have some history behind them.

Sounds like the old Forsyth Factory's collapse is imminent, posing threat to humans and cars, so it's being demolished in the coming weeks. The art deco portion will remain standing, as will the old house next to it.

I say, keep a building on each side of the block to frame the new library which should be glass and fit in between. If old buildings are kept on the corners, it will keep the streetscape intact. New buildings taking up a whole block look so out of place in downtowns unless there is some historic proportions on the street corners.

I say keep an old building on each side of the King Street edge of the block, and then build in between.

As sad is it seems, I think Facadism is probably the best way to preserve Forsyth now. That is if that's even feasible.

What would be REALLY cool is if they kept the exterior walls and enclosed them inside a glass structured library. Kinda like the old bank enclosed in the BCE Place atrium, or CCBR in Toronto.

It's the materials that are wonderful, not the facade, unfortunately... but that would be cool if it were an important old building.

Demolition starts tomorrow.

Don't take this offensively but either you're unaware of what building this is or you have no imagination for something grander than yet another slab condominium a la Regency.

I'd take the old factory renovated into Lofts including the Art-Deco portion and Smythe residence over a concrete condo slab anyday.

I'm aware of what it is. How historical it is, but its ugly. Or, was, as of the recent demolition. We have pleanty of old factories in the downtown area that still represent the somewhat previous blue collar feel. Forsyth, to me, was an eye sore. Too many ugly abandoned buildings in our downtown. It's as sparse and sprawly as our suburban type areas. Ugly retail shops on King Street etc, and loads of ugly decaying homes (Cedar/Eby Street, anyone?). The city has been talking about progression and cleaning up the downtown for years, yet nothing has happened. Some lofts went up. Big deal, what else would they be used for? It's time they actually do something progressive, and not just talk about it. Take a lesson from Waterloo or London.

Anyways, regarding the building. A shame it had to go so early before they made any final plans on what to do with the City Centre block. They should keep the house, at least. Incorporate it somehow into whatever is going in there (most likely the library). I guess only time will tell what happens to this city and region. Hopefully something drastic.

I was downtown yesterday, and well... the Forsyth Factory is ALREADY under demolition.... there are excavators and the baby's already coming down... sort of sad. I never cared too much until I saw that happening.

Anyways... and so, the legend of KW's lack of history continues, and yet another all-new project is going up... the Centre Block Library story starts here, folks, another big, brand new soulless building... yikes.. it better be damn special.

I have a news article about Forsyth Factory to post later....

I just read this:

KITCHENER - Kitchener City Council voted tonight to save 5,000 square feet of the yellow brick exterior, and any other wooden elements such as columns and beams which can salvaged by reasonable means, from the Forsyth factory being demolished at the corner of Duke and Young Streets in downtown Kitchener.

Council was voting on a recommendation of the Heritage Kitchener Committee. The three-part recommendation had asked that: the remaining two phases of the Forsyth building be retained and incorporated into any future redevelopment that is to occur on the Centre Block; that all measures be taken to salvage all materials of heritage significance; and that staff be directed to ensure the continued integrity of the two remaining phases of the Forsyth Building.

Voting on each portion of the recommendation separately, Council voted to defer any decision on the two portions of the building to be left standing - the former Forsyth house and an Art Deco section of the factory constructed in 1937 - until the demolition of the other phases is complete and pending a further report from the Chief Building Official as to the condition of those structures after demolition.

''As soon as we are in a position to get into the other two buildings, we will do so,'' said the City's Chief Building Official Jim Witmer. ''We expect to be able to bring that information back and update Council likely within the next two weeks.''

Options presented to Council by staff in terms of salvaging building materials included salvaging everything that was in reasonable shape from both the interior and exterior of the building - which, they were informed, could require indefinite storage of approximately 20 acres - to salvaging a representative portion of the building's exterior and the wooden elements from the interior as specified above.

''We do have some options. Council needs to direct as to which building elements the City would like to recover and what volumes,'' said Gary Sosnoski, city clerk and general manager of corporate services. ''We know that to salvage everything possible, it's going to cost about $107,000 on top of the $206,000 for demolition. Looking at the building as it was coming down today, I wondered if there is even $107,000 worth of material in the building which could be salvaged.''

In a recorded vote, Council voted unanimously to salvage 5,000 square feet of brick, enough to rebuild a portion of wall in any new development and the specified wooden elements.

Council also voted unanimously to direct staff to ensure the continued integrity of the remaining two phases of the building once the demolition is complete.

Staff will provide temporary framing and weatherproofing to enclose the south elevation which would be exposed as a result of the demolition of the older portion of the factory; re-install the fire alarm system and continue with interim measures, including roof repairs, approved recently by Council.

Because of the unsafe condition of the Forsyth building and the City's need to remedy an unsafe condition, the situation required that the building be demolished first, and then materials salvaged. The City's Heritage Planner was allowed inside the building, along with a representative of the City's engineering consultant, prior to demolition to remove any non-structural materials of heritage/archival value.

City staff will now work with representatives of Bel Air Excavating and Grading Ltd., the demolition company hired by the city last week, to determine the cost of salvaging the materials outlined above.

The demolition, which began Saturday, is expected to continue for several more weeks. The City's Chief Building Official is expecting to report back to Council in approximately two weeks with an assessment of the stability of the remaining two structures which were not subject to the initial order requiring demolition.

Some photos of the demotion in progress here (http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=26989&currpage=1&pp#post7) .

I nicked this from UofW:


http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/schools/pharmacy/images/exterior_view.jpg

The new School of Pharmacy will be located in the heart of downtown Kitchener, at the intersection of King & Victoria Streets. The building is being designed to reflect and enhance the downtown Warehouse District, and to serve as an attraction for students, faculty and residents alike.

These architects’ renderings show the concept design for the new building. Key features include:

* an eight-storey tower directly on the corner, creating a strong gateway to the downtown
* a central outdoor courtyard that will provide a venue for both interaction and quiet contemplation and may host art exhibitions and outdoor performances
* a medicine garden that reflects the history of Pharmacy in the natural world. A variety of plants with medicinal uses will be grown, and both scientific and public lectures will be offered on the plant–based origins of modern medicines
* the inclusion of an integrated primary healthcare centre as a core aspect of the educational program. The centre will provide full-service medical care, serve as a learning venue for pharmacy students, medical residents and other health professionals, and create a unique facility for patient-focused primary care research.

http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/schools/pharmacy/images/interior_view.jpg


Seems we should have something new in the heart of our city soon. That, combined with the opening of the WLU faculty of social work building, will greatly boost the enonomy, and "city officials view the campus as a potential boon to downtown redevelopment. Educational institutions can help create the 24-hour-a-day, seven-day-a-week traffic the city wants to see in the core, Pizzuto said." I could see some more trendy lofts or condos going up in the core to support the increase in students. From what I remember, there were plans for condos, so who knows.

I really really like the idea of the outdoor garden. I say when this is built, with all the support from the goverment, the propsed LRT would be tossed on the top of the pile again, as it would prove for a rather useful link between the main capus and this downtown facility. Perhaps in the coming years it will be a vibrant 24/7 downtown, and not what we have now (old people roaming around during the day, kids and the local weirdos tossing around in the afternoon, and crackheads and drunks at night).

I wish we could get a Toronto-style glass condo in downtown Kitchener and build it right into the King St. streetscape... that would be great. Perhaps it's not too far off.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Not a towering 30 floor one, but an easy 10-15 floor one, minimal retail on the bottom floor for shops to continue operating. Modern, yet keeps a mature look and not just a generic tall glass building. Something like you mentioned here (http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/2000e.jpg). The 3rd tallest portion of that building looks nice. I've always thought of something small, perhaps 8-10 floors somewhere on King, structured to look as if it were build in the 1930s keeping that neo-classical look, yet it had that obvious modern touch. Quiet retail on the first floor, a cafe/tea house and so on. I had the perfect image last night of something in Toronto, but I can't find it.

Perhaps a beige one with large glass windows like they have in Waterloo (near that big Zellers, I believe) would fit well in the Victoria Park neighbourhood. Either way, Kitchener is planning on condos soon enough. Hopefully they're nice, not concrete slabs (http://www.city.kitchener.on.ca/city_hall/departments/downtown/images/tricar__building.jpg) as they plain out suck.

^^ Mind looking for that Toronto condo picture again sometime? I'd love to see your idea... it's definitely an exciting prospect for Downtown Kitchener. Someday it will have Toronto-style condos (on a smaller scale) no doubt.

Anyways, exciting news everyone... THE BAUER LOFTS HAS COMPLETELY SOLD OUT!!! (already)

The Record says...

More than a year before being constructed, the Bauer lofts in Waterloo's downtown are completely sold out and demolition work to make way for redevelopment of the former industrial property has begun, says a planner for the developer.

The majority of the lofts sold within three weeks of the presentation centre opening in November, said Carol Wiebe, a partner in MHBC Planning.
She is doing planning work for Laurence Development Ltd. Partners, the company behind the $40-million project to turn the former Bauer Industries site in downtown Waterloo into a mixed-use complex with trendy lofts, offices, boutiques, cafes and restaurants.

Wiebe said the larger lofts, up to almost 2,000 square feet in size, were spoken for first, and some of those sold for more than $400,000.

Then, some people bought two or three of the remaining smaller lofts to put them together into larger lofts.

So the development, which initially included 96 lofts, will now have 89 residential units altogether, Wiebe said.

"That's the beauty of the modular design -- you can put the units together."

She said before the presentation centre even opened, about 1,500 people had registered on a website to book appointments for an opportunity to buy the lofts .

"I don't think anyone expected it would be that overwhelming. I know the client was blown away by the response," Wiebe said.

"It has also set a new benchmark for prices for highrise condominiums in this region."

She said people are attracted to the "great location," and the fact that there will be restaurants and cafes to go to within the complex.

The lofts will have high ceilings and large windows with great views, and terraces, she said.

She said there will also be completely enclosed, self-contained parking underground -- another big draw.

In terms of age, people who put deposits down were anywhere from in their 20s to their 70s, Wiebe said.

"There were a lot of professional people who wanted to be in this part of the city," she said.

"But we also got a lot of empty-nesters."

The buildings have yet to be built and the official plan and zoning amendment process for the property is still ongoing.

The lofts won't likely be ready for occupation until mid-2007.

But the demolition work to make way for the redevelopment began about two weeks ago, Wiebe said.

The original Bauer Industries building at King and Allen streets will remain and be renovated for retail and office uses.

But the factory additions on the 1.15-hectare (2.8 acre) site are being demolished and two other buildings will be constructed.

One of those new buildings, at Caroline and Allen streets, will have the Vincenzo's food market as the anchor customer, as well as offices.

The other, on King Street next to the renovated factory, will have retail and offices on the lower floors with the lofts on the upper floors.

Although the demolition work is going on now, the construction at street level won't likely be visible until later this year because the excavation and construction of underground parking will need to take place first, she said.

The development will bring "a lot of vitality to this whole block," with people living and working in the area, Wiebe said.

Everything is conditional on getting the planning approvals, but this is exactly the kind of development that the city wants to see in re-using the original factory building and intensifying the urban core for the transit corridor, she said.

Wow The Bauer is already sold out? To think they had already enlarged the project since they couldn't keep up with earlier demand. Good news for Waterloo, build more.

As for Kitchener I agree with Aplz regarding more condos in K-Town like the condo he was talking about near Waterloo Zellers, thats a really 'swish' building with nice gardens and lots of glass. Queen Street on Kitchener will probably see a boom in new building as it has a few gaps near the park, especially with all the arson lately. Its the NIMBYs that are the problem here - anything more than 2 stories is considered evil but the resi's in the Victorian homes surrounding the park.

Also I hope the city developes the Warehouse district in something special, especially once UW starts construction in spring. They also need more resi right on King Street, above the shops and in towers slightly terraced back from the street. A lived in core is a healthy core.

Infrastructure - Despite the cost the city should demolish the transit centre (move it to the rail station as a multi-use node as its still central without clogging the core like the current location) tear down Pizza Pizza, Big City Donuts, Canada Post and everything south of the King Centre. Make a big plaza - grass, water, concrete - stretching from City Hall straight to Victoria Park. Remove the road access in front of old City Hall Tower.

There is only one problem with my plan though....that nice building across from Pizza Pizza where KW Tourism is located. If only we could move that building to Centre Block. Either that or build a round-about garden thingy around it. Still the building would block what could be a impressive sweeping view from Victoria Park to City Hall with the tower of the old baby sitting in between. Be a nice axis for Kitchener- City & Park, Old & New City Hall.

I was up on the top floor of City Hall the other day looking down over Kitchener and thinking of the possibilities.

I found this on another site regarding the 'Who Are You Kitchener' thing.

So ...the City of Kitchener is promoting a marketing company who has the cheek to tell the population of Kitchener just who they are....uneducated, low income, hate development, not Catholic, distruct government, don't like congested roads etc. This is a red herring for Zehr's ambition to join the three cities together - even though nobody wants it but him. This present council has chopped up, divided and gobbled up every last piece of greenspace in Kitchener and once Zehr gets his hands on all that industrial space in Cambridge (not to mention all the arable land from here to Ayr - yes, Ayr is included in the megacity) we will see wall-to-wall houses, congested roads and pollution. Added to that, we don't have enough infrastructure now to support the population we have. Other services - no doctors, long waiting times in hospitals are in crisis now and...wait until you hear this....we are running of space to bury people!! I wonder if this Marketing company can put that in their survey. What colour Urn would you like on your mantlepiece to hold your beloved. Can't wait for the elections. Just hope everybody can remember the damage this Council is doing.

Fair point. I can say this. If Kitchener dosen't go anywhere in the next coming years and remains a dumpy wannabe small town (again, the NIMBYs as above), I'll definetely be moving to Toronto. For the past near 15 years the city has been talking about urban renewal, sprucing up the downtown into an lively urban centre, yet nothing has come of anything.

Oh, and what's this about Zehr wanting to join the cities? I don't get the newspaper so I'm oblivious to anything apart from what is posted on the Kitchener website. Ayr is included?

Not exactly related to buildings, but Fairway road is to be expanded, and The Record has a little user poll up asking residents what type of bridge they would like to see connecting Fairway Road to Fountain Street/Kossuth Road/Riverbank Drive. There are some proposed options for the 240 meter bridge to cross the Grand River and connect up with the road. Ugly concrete things, steel bridge, cable stayed etc. You can access the poll here (http://www.therecord.com/bridges/#). Personally, I'd like a big ass steel truss bridge cause they're nice, but no doubt an ugly concrete thing will be built.

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Couple things happening. Nothing too big, but will help shape the city to come.

KITCHENER - Next week the City of Kitchener will issue a tender to begin construction of the new Gaukel Street entrance to Victoria Park. Construction is expected to take place between April and October.

The new Victoria Park entrance will include a complete streetscape upgrade on Gaukel Street from King Street to Joseph Street, with new lighting, stamped concrete, and other features. The new entrance to the park itself will include stone masonry gates, walkways, new lighting, flower gardens, a pond complete with waterfalls, and a sculpture created by a local artist.

In addition to these new entrance features, the City will also undertake an environmental remediation program in the area and reconstruction work on several downtown roadways, specifically: Joseph Street from Water to Queen, Gaukel Street from King to Joseph, and Richmond Avenue. The environmental remediation program will remove coal tar found in the roadways around the Gaukel Street entrance to Victoria Park and on a nearby property; 44 Gaukel Street.

''When the work is complete, this will be an impressive corridor leading up to Victoria Park in the heart of downtown Kitchener,'' said Larry Lynch, Manager of Engineering Infrastructure.

Funding for the new entrance feature and the Gaukel Street upgrades is already in the City's budget. The project will have an overall cost of $2.4 million, with $1.2 million provided by the provincial SuperBuild program.

Small update planned for the police headquarters in Cambridge. Not exactly something to jump up about.

A plan to spend $11.6 million to expand the overcrowded Waterloo regional police headquarters in Cambridge was approved yesterday by the police board.

While the plan still must be approved by regional council, the board voted to build a separate three-storey building behind headquarters with an underground tunnel linking it to the main building.

The proposed 40,000-square-foot building includes 10,000-square feet of unfinished space on the third floor for future growth at a cost of $1.5 million.

"We have a responsibility to plan for the future," board chair Tom Galloway said in an interview after the board meeting. Galloway is also a regional councillor.

The board wants to expand the building at a time when regional taxpayers have almost paid off the $15-million cost to build the 88,613-square-foot headquarters in 1991.

The Maple Grove Road building has a capacity of 300, but 341 officers and civilians now work there. That number is expected to grow to 429 by 2012.

The new building will house the homicide branch, major case investigations and forensics, three branches now located at headquarters, but living in cramped quarters with numerous desks, boxes and other equipment.

Galloway said the need for this expansion is "pretty much indisputable.

"It is evident we have outgrown the facility in a relatively short time," he said.

In selecting the plan to build a separate building, the board rejected another option to build two additions at the east side of headquarters at a cost of $12 million. Besides being more costly, that option would be more disruptive, according to a report presented to the board yesterday.

About half of the $11.6-million expansion cost will be covered by regional development charges -- fees added to the cost of new home and building construction to cover the cost of growth in the region. The remaining will be debentured over 10 years, the cost of which will come out of the police budget.

Construction is slated to start in 2007 with completion by the end of 2008.

Updates to the University of Waterloo campus in downtown Kitchener.

One of four new satellite medical campuses will be located in Kitchener as part of the province’s plan to boost the number of doctors practising in smaller urban centres. Over the next three years, the province will create a total of 104 new first-year medical spaces at Ontario’s medical schools, Chris Bentley, minister of training, colleges and universities announced today

The plan will cost more than $20.8 million by 2011-12.
The Waterloo Region campus will open next fall. In total, 15 first-year medical students will train there, a press release says.

The Michael G. Degroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Hamilton will provide the training for the Waterloo Region campus, in co-operation with the University of Waterloo which is opening a new health sciences campus in downtown Kitchener next year.

McMaster will also provide training at the St. Catharines campus (15 spots).

Other campuses will be at Mississauga, using University of Toronto’s medical school; and in Windsor, in co-operation with the University of Western Ontario’s medical school in London. Those campuses will offer 26 spaces and 14 spaces.

Six new medical spaces will also be added at Queen’s University in Kingston, while 20 spaces will be at University of Ottawa.

Bentley is to be in Kitchener this afternoon to give details.

The expansion will “increase opportunities for students to study closer to home,” Bentley said in a news release.

Community-based undergraduate satellite campuses will allow medical students to do a significant portion of their education in smaller urban centres, the press release says. And that will increase those communities’ chances of keeping them, it says.

“International studies have shown the medical students who come from and train in smaller urban settings are more likely to practise in those communities.”

The 104 new first-year medical spaces, along with the creation of 56 new medical spaces at the Northern Ontario School of Medicine which opened last year, will result in a 23-per-dent incrase in first-year enrolment at Ontario medical schools, the province says.

“We’re helping to make sure that every Ontario family has access to a doctor, when they need one, close to home,” said Health and Long-Term Care Mininster George Smitherman in the press release.

Students filling the first 32 of the 104 new spaces will begin next fall. Another 72 spaces will be added over three years.

The Kitchener satellite campus will be located on UW’s downtown Kitchener health sciences campus, which will be anchored by a new school of pharmacy.

The health sciences campus will attract a wide range of health professionals, and will address the need for expertise in health technology, informatics, biosciences, population studies and biomedical engineering.

It will also help filll a demand for more pharmacists and doctors in Ontario. It will include the Centre for Family Medicine, a residency program for students wishing to specialize in family medicine.

UW’s strength in co-op education will help the health sciences campus provide students with training, placements and practicums.

It is also expected that McMaster University will give admission preference to medical school applicants from Waterloo Region and the surrounding area.

That also boosts the probability that physicians will stay here. McMaster will also recruit physician-teachers to Waterloo Region, which will also increasing the number of physicians here.

Allthough no architect designs have been released, the KPL centre block project has had some plans released. Not new information, but I'm not sure many have seen it. The plan calls for 2 different schemes (technically 3). Both are 130'000 square foot projects, one being 3 floors, the other being 4.5 floors. Floor plans are available here (http://www.kpl.org/New_Central_Library/architect.shtml) as pdf files. Personally I'd like to see the 4.5 floor one, as judging by the floor plans, would be much more unique. Both would have underground parking and would allow for future expansion/floors added. Only time will tell.

New lofts for Cambridge.

Built in 1908, the Narrow Fabric and Weaving Company on Spruce Street in Galt (Cambridge) used to weave fabric. Over time, it became one of the George Hancock buildings. Today, this historic, red-brick structure is being converted from industrial space to living space - space that will feature exposed brick, beams and spiral ducts, high ceilings, massive windows and natural light, solid wood doors, large balconies and extraordinary rooftop gardens.

Spruce Garden Lofts, a joint effort between DC Galt Properties and H3 Development Corp, will offer 24 loft-style condominiums, ranging from 750 to 2,500 square feet, on a quiet street, only steps away from Soper Park. Adding to its location is a neighbouring forest - an almost two-acre patch of trees and greenery.

"It's a beautiful piece of forest in downtown Galt," declares Dennis Murray of DC Galt Properties whose enthusiasm about the location - and overall project - is abundantly clear. "This will be a wonderful place to live. It's unique, it's spacious, it's well-built, it's very secure and every loft will be different."

Designed by award-winning architect, Alar Kongats (whose works include the new Hespeler Library), Spruce Garden Lofts will maintain much of the charm and character of the original building. The open concept designs - available with one or two bedrooms - take full advantage of the large windows and wood and brick structure. And the elevator's old-style wooden-gate door will remain.

"We're preserving as much of the heritage as we can, particularly in the common areas," states Murray, who adds that heritage maple flooring is available as an upgrade within each loft.

Each elegant, open-concept kitchen offers a pantry, cabinetry and counters in a variety of styles and finishes, a multi-functional island and options for under-cabinet lighting and upgraded hardware. Bathrooms include upgraded ceramic tile, vanities in various styles and finishes, full-height mirrors to match the counter width and an optional raised vessel-style ceramic sink. Some of the lofts offer multi-levels and many have both a street and green-space orientation. Fireplaces are available in most units.

In addition to the incredible interiors, Spruce Garden Lofts also gives homeowners a prime opportunity to enjoy the great outdoors. John Turvey, marketing representative for the development, explains.

"These aren't just great indoor spaces, these units will also have decks and patios. Every suite has some capability of getting outside. Those without decks and patios will have doors that open to a Juliet balcony."

Buyers of most second floor suites will also have the ability to create their own private paradise. "People on the top floor can purchase the space above them and turn it into a rooftop patio or garden," says Turvey. "There's a lot of focus on total lifestyle - indoor and out."

Design ideas for the rooftop gardens are being provided by students at the School of Architecture in Cambridge. "We'll have a very nice selection of rooftop design ideas to show our potential buyers," notes Turvey.

In addition to the students' efforts, Rick Haldenby, who heads up the School of Architecture, has also been instrumental in the development of Spruce Garden Lofts, lending his input and expertise throughout the project.

"We (the school) have a vested interest in seeing the Cambridge core thrive and have the experience of taking an older industrial building and turning it into something new," says Haldenby, referring to the school. "I think this is a great venture that will show the potential that older, industrial buildings have within the residential sector."

Spruce Garden Lofts is currently under construction and models will be available for viewing soon. Residents are expected to start moving in by the end of this year.

More information here. (http://www.sprucegardenlofts.ca/)

HUGE UPDATE for the K-W thread...
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There's lots happening now, guys... here goes:

Downtown Kitchener:
-Wilfrid Laurier's latest downtown building's restoration is complete, and it looks spectacular!
-Le Marche, or the residential component of the downtown Kitchener Market, is now under construction. About 1.5 storeys of I-beams are now up
-The KPL downtown Centre Block's architect's renderings should go public sometime between now and the springtime. Unfortunately, it has been decided that the remaining Art Deco section of the Forsyth Factory is to be torn down... latest news is that the Mayfair Hotel will remain standing and will be redeveloped along with the new library, park, and residential project, and the facades of the remaining Centre Block buildings will remain.
-The new School of Pharmacy building, in the heart of downtown, which consists of an outdoor garden and 9-storey component, will be under construction this spring, diagonal from the Kaufman Lofts @ King+Victoria.

Uptown Waterloo:
-spinoff developments from the spectacular Waterloo Town Square development are popping up. Some Dorset St. luxury Apartments have popped up, for example, a neat little terraced, glass-fronted-balconies luxury apartment infill project, which we will see many more of, hopefully.
-This year construction will begin on the Canbar Lands, adjacent to the Recreation Complex in Uptown Waterloo... this will increase the core population by atleast 1400 people immediately, and will add more retail to boot
-Peter de Groot's new Seagrams office and exclusive retail development begins construction this spring
-Demolition at the Bauer site to make way for The Bauer Buildings, including a retail courtyard with a supermarket and specialty retail as well as the Bauer Lofts, is well underway. Construction will begin in spring/summer
-The KPMG office building @ Waterloo Town Square is well into construction, soon to be fully closed in by construction board/ insulation. Its form is easily recognizeable compared with renderings, and soon the Royal Bank sister building will be above ground- its foundations are pretty much complete
-soon a new Uptown Waterloo police station will be on the cards, to be created in 2007
-the Waterloo Civic Square @ Waterloo Town Square on King Street is back on the cards... it will be created over the next year, and will begin construction next spring... the surrounding buildings of the Waterloo Town Square will face onto the new public square

Both cities:
-Light Rail Transit is still on the cards... an exciting idea for our city, which is coming closer to reality each day
-The LRT (Light Rail Transit) feasibility study is complete and the findings will go public in the coming months

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Some photos...

Wilfird Laurier University goes downtown...
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Dorset Street luxury apts., Uptown:
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Waterloo Town Square, KPMG Offices, with retail/LCBO:
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School of Pharmacy, downtown Kitchener:
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/schools/pharmacy/images/exterior_view.jpg

Today is the day council decides whether or not to go ahead with the City Centre Block redevelopment, including the new KPL library.

In an article in todays paper, it seems most people don't see the need for moving it. I'm betting a 50/50 chance they go ahead with it. Zehr and the coucil want it in, but the general public dosent. It's a tug-o-war really.

Some comments on the new library/redevelopment:


"This one works," said frequent library user Bill Brock of Kitchener. "There aren't a whole lot of people here anyway and there's lots of room for more books." "It's a waste of money," Brock said.

"It does look pretty old and could use some upgrades. . . but I think a lot of people are worried about the cost of a new (building)," said Angel Wall, who moved to Kitchener last year. "Moving it (to Centre Block) will make it easier for people to get to, but I don't think it needs to be decided this fast."

"It will end up costing a lot of money and will be used as much as this one."

"I'm puzzled why they think this isn't sufficient. Do I think it will help downtown? Well, has anything else worked?"


I have to concur somewhat. I don't see how moving the actual library (at this time) will be any better. Sure it may be another building on the map, but just moving it to King Street won't revitalize the downtown.

Oh, why do they want to save the Mayfair Hotel? That place is sleazy.

Oh, why do they want to save the Mayfair Hotel? That place is sleazy.

Sleezy? There's nothing in it...! I must say, I'm very disappointed to hear you say that. It's a nice old building, a corner building at that, which makes it even more attractive, and WHEN, not if, they redevelop it, it will be very very nice.

It's a shame that everything that's in bad shape, or 'sleazy' should be torn down. We tore down all the middle buildings along King Street on Centre Block and did that help? No.

If they tore down the Mayfair Hotel, as you wish, then you are being ironic, because you agree with the person saying "Did any other attempt work?" With no old buildings, Downtown Kitchener wouldn't deserve to become a successful downtown.

I am disappointed... our city has zero respect for old buildings, which is a shame considering it is old architecture that reinforces a downtown's reputation and point, as a centre of civic and community activity.

-thryve

p.s.... my thoughts on the Centre Block project are... "I'm fine with them doing it, but it better be REALLY REALLY good... if it's mediocre, then I have lost hope in our city planners and council. Let's see how it works out in the end before we judge."

I won't post the whole article(s), however:

City Centre block plans halted for another month. Heritage Kitchener wishes to keep the remaining parts of the Forsyth Building.

WLU may build another campus in Kitchener in the future.

McMaster satellite medical school may need to leech on regional/taxpayers money in order to build.

Whoa! Where is this?

http://files.photojerk.com/andrewharv/a.JPG

It's literally right behind Kitchener City Hall.

Was just about to say that, logged in, and there it was. :P

I love the new black on that building though.

I know that other cities have a trend of developing old schools into loft projects. Does anyone know of any that are happening in the K-W region? I am looking to buy a condo in the near future and any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Where there's the @lexandra lofts right in the Uptown Waterloo core... and downtown Kitchener there's a massive old school building, and its lofts/condos along with a large addition/annex built onto it fronting onto Victoria Park...

-thryve

GOOD NEWS FOR DOWNTOWN KITCHENER!

There is a small/medium sized grocer opening up on the bottom floor of the Eatons Lofts, placing it competively. With new condo dwellers, and soon university students, it will be great to have a small grocery store downtown and on that end of King, in particular.

What's more, the grocer looks to be one of the new Vancouver-style "lifestyle" grocers with organic and gourmet selection, a private or uncommon brand name (down with the big guys... just kidding) and a coffee bar/ cafe inside.

I am really looking forward to it. It looks like it's going to be stylish and it's just what that end of downtown needs.

-thryve


PS. On another note, there is some more good news for Uptown Waterloo... while I was flipping through pages upon pages of Waterloo city council meeting notes, I noticed that this spring, the construction will start on a Office/Residential development @ 28 Dorset Street beside the new luxury apartment building on Dorset. In other words, this development will be across from the library. Nice to see Dorset St. continuing the streetscape from King to Princess and now, to Dorset. There is also that pizza-shaped park dividing Albert St. and Dorset St. and now that park will actually have a use, as there will be more people in that end of Uptown to use it.

The luxury apt. building I mentioned...
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Great stuff happening in our downtowns... finally.

Wow, I honestly had no idea that those were luxury apartments on Dorset... I thought we were to be graced by another trashy student apartment building. I guess that counts as a good surprise :)

And K-Town, the school/condo that thryve mentioned is the former Victoria Public School and it's located on Joseph St. (I think) directly across from the bus terminal.

Yeah I thought so too... the mechanics room was incorporated into the design very maturely, and the terracing and glass balconies are nice too... it brings even more quality building to Uptown Waterloo.

Nice. And yeah, it is a nice surprise, isn't it?

-thryve

Laurier's campus is looking good. Apparently the LAW and EDUCATION schools are going in DOWNTOWN K-TOWN too, which will be amazing for Kitchener and region.

As for UW, can't wait for construction to start in April.

I think you'll start seeing lots of changes once these schools are up and running. Downtown, around King Street and especially the nearby Warehouse District will really come alive.

Does anybody know where they might put the law or education schools? The building behind City Hall (former St. Jerome's highschool) is already fully occupied by the Faculty of Social Work. If the teacher's college is to accept students for 2007 (and from what I hear it's almost 100% certain to happen), they'll have to ge the ball rolling fairly soon.

Oh yeah, I was walking down the Iron Horse trail today and noticed that a couple of lots (I think they held abandonned houses) are being cleared along Queen st. The closest intersection would be Queen and Schneider. Does anybody know if they are finally building an apartment building there that would overlook Victoria Park?

I officially give up on this city. Every damn thing they propose gets fucked.

This week, the city's mayor, Carl Zehr, said plans for a new main library branch on this site were on hold and, indeed, the project might not proceed. Citing a groundswell of public opposition to a new library that could cost up to $64.5 million, Zehr said it's time to explore other options for the Centre Block, adjacent to City Hall.

Wow, we suck. The library maybe wouldn't have been the best idea- I don't personally know. But maybe we should have explored more options earlier, instead of getting desperate.

Yikerz!

-thryve

Sounds like Thunder Bay.

"No offices on the waterfront! We want a cuirse terminal!"
"No cruise terminal on the waterfront! We want a park!"
"No park on the waterfront! We need jobs!"
"don't build that highschool, it's too far from the parking lot!"

Good God. :|

Does anyone think high rise condo would work on that site? No doubt we'll continue more along having a rather low rise downtown, saving any towers for the burbs. Still I'd like to see a few new towers spring up (although stepped back) from King Street.

I don't know, there seem to be condos/lofts springing up everywhere downtown (Eaton's, Kaufmann, Market, Arrow), I would have preferred more of a 'public' building. Who knows, the city seems anxious to build something... maybe it'll end up being the new site for the future WLU Faculty of Education and or Law(if they go ahead)? Still, bringing more people downtown to live is always a good thing, and obviously if I'm posting on a skyscraper website I'd think a tower would be as well. :)

I like how the Wax Nightclub is set back from King St. and I think that any new building would add to the streetscape in a positive way if it was as well, although it would probably look better without a beach volleyball court in front of it :)

Most def. I had a chat with some of the downtown development managers and they said condos are definetely going to be built in the future. Maybe not in the next 2 years, but there will be large residential developments built downtown.

Hey everyone,

I noticed that many of my photos have been posted here, which is pretty cool. I am the photographer for the Waterloo Town Square project... it really is a great development, I think, and it's going to be great once the new retail and offices are in.

I am pretty busy most of the time, but I may check in here every now and then.

Cleanup costs for Waterloo Town Square

Core cleanup to cost $1.1M

Developer and city to split the tab for work at Waterloo Town Square

PHILIP JALSEVAC
PHOTO SUPPLIED BY CITY OF WATERLOO

Workers excavate contamination at Waterloo Town Square last November.

WATERLOO (Mar 3, 2006)

It could have been worse, but the cleanup of contamination at Waterloo Town Square has come in with a price tag of $1.1 million, with the city and developer each paying half.

In early 2005, soil and groundwater contamination was discovered near the main entrance to the shopping centre at King Street and Willis Way.

Drilling tests performed to ready the site for redevelopment found high levels of tetrachloroethylene, a potentially carcinogenic substance.

A city staff report says the hazardous solvent likely came from a former dry-cleaning facility that occupied the site about 40 years ago or stemmed from industrial spills in the mid-1900s.

Early estimates of remediation costs ranged from $400,000 to a high of $1.6 million.

Some of the contaminated area was found on an extension of Willis Way, but most was on city-owned property intended for a land swap with First Gulf Development Corp.

The developer was intent on constructing a new building with the north corner situated on top of the contaminated site. Since First Gulf planned to assume ownership of that land, it agreed to share cleanup costs 50-50 with the city.

That was a fortunate agreement, said Ron Ormson, the city's senior environmental co-ordinator.

"The city had to do some hard bargaining but they (First Gulf) saw the value in this," he said in an interview.

"It's a real savings to the city. It reduces the cost by 50 per cent."

Ormson said there was no risk of contamination reaching the drinking water supply.

Waterloo Region officials were involved in the investigation "and we ruled that out," he said.

A hard layer of clay prevents the contamination from migrating downwards, "and it's in a shallow zone and not deep down," he said.

Tests also determined the contamination was of "a localized nature and restricted to a relatively confined area," the staff report said.

But it had to be removed because of potential human and environmental health risks.

For example, Ormson said "to put a building over it, there would be this question about whether the contaminant could enter the building through vapours or whatnot."

Contamination levels varied greatly, but in some spots were "several hundred times" greater than provincial standards, particularly at the "epicentre" of contamination, which comprised an area of only 15 square metres, Ormson said.

Last November, about 2,500 tonnes of contaminated soil were excavated, tested and shipped to secure landfill sites approved by the Ministry of the Environment. The work was done in conjunction with the roadway construction and infrastructure projects.

"We got rid of the soil and now we have to focus on the residual groundwater," Ormson said.

That involves cleaning up a plume of groundwater extending over an area of 1,460 square metres.

The work is not expected to begin until the spring or summer, depending on First Gulf's construction schedule.

A protective, plastic liner will be installed under the building, along with a system for venting soil gas into the atmosphere and a bio-remediation system designed by Conestoga Rovers and Associates.

The cleanup is expected to take about five years. Costs, which include $166,000 in contingency funds and $160,000 in consulting fees, leaves the city's 50 per cent share at $566,000.

Earlier this week, city council approved taking most or nearly $500,000 of that out of a reserve fund of federal gas tax revenue. The rest comes out of this year's capital budget.

Not bad cost at all for a block that was once just a massive block of factories and other industry.

-thryve

More road blocks for the Kitchener City Centre project. At this point with the upcoming elcetion, the chances of it being built are slim.

Good news, the Bauer Lofts have planned to add an extra 3 floors to answer demands to the already sold out lofts. In 15 years Waterloo is going to have a dense skyline with lots of highrises and a good city vibe.

The developer of the Bauer Lofts in Waterloo is planning to add three storeys due to the high demand for its condominiums.

Peter Schwartz, president of Laurence Development LP, said his firm plans to add 39 units to the proposed condo building on the site of the former Bauer Industries property near the city core.

Don't expect to see any advertising though. Prospective buyers are being culled from a list of about 1,500 who registered an interest in buying a unit at the end of last year.

The first 89 lofts are completely sold out, with the vast majority quickly snapped up within three weeks of the opening of sales in November.

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^^ Great news about a great project! That's going to be incredible!

I will post some photos later (they are not taken by me, just as a disclaimer), but just for a little update:

-Bauer demolition is in its advanced stages... there's very little left on that block

-the Waterloo Town Square's KPMG office/retail block is really coming along... it should be ready ahead of its set finish date of August- windows are now going up on the building, and I assume exterior materials will follow shortly thereafter

-Waterloo's new street lamp design which will be throughout the whole Uptown area by 2007 is now being used... on Willis Way, you can see the first of the new Uptown streetlamps... and they are very nice, too!!!

I saw the Bauer building yesterday and was suprised by the progress. And that office block at Waterloo Square sure went up fast, especially by Waterloo standards.

The photos in the montage below were not taken by me, but they show the progress of the KPMG office block quite well:

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City Ceter Block may turn into a parking lot. After all the debate, controversy, arguments, destruction, the City Centre block may simply turn into a parking lot. (Full article is not posted).

The city will spend $225,000 to maintain three historic properties that may be given to a private developer for the ambitious redevelopment of a downtown block.

And if the development doesn't go ahead, the same block will likely get a parking lot, councillors were told yesterday.......

.......If the redevelopment doesn't proceed as planned Proulx said city staff will ask councillors for more money to turn the site into a surface parking lot.

"We have an urgent need to develop parking in that area," Proulx said.

I officially give up on this city. They need to take a lesson from Waterloo. Just build it and fuck the public opinion.

As much as I am dismayed at the latest news around Centre Block as well, I must say, there is still a chance of it happening. A slight chance.

And as well, to just "**** public opinion" would be a little corrupt now wouldn't it?

On the other hand, no, I don't think very much of Kitchener's planning department. Why they waited until now to realize that there is no Plan B is something only God knows... :bash:

-thryve

Hello everyone,

I do photography for Waterloo Town Square, and I am excited to be part of such an exciting team! We have some exciting stuff headed your way and I think it is really going to become an important symbol of the city.

There is all sorts of info. that I can't talk about, but some new tenants that are coming that the public is aware of are a large flagship downtown LCBO, Caffe Demetre, All About Crepes, and Gourmet Pizza. A great clothing store recently opened, too.

Say hello to the new school of pharmacy.

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More progress in K-W.

Nice photo ^^ Looks very press-y/ media-ish :)

Can't wait to see that baby rising!!

-thryve

I laughed when I saw the tent set up as I was passing by on the bus. They couldn't have picked a crappier day (weather-wise) to do it.

p.s I wonder if we'll see an angry editorial in the paper tomorrow from the president of Conestoga College claiming that they could have done better for less money (like he did when they announced the med program at this site). He's probably a bit 'busy' at the moment though. :)

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I passed by and went burrrr. Anyway, it will be nice to see construction start and something actually start to rise. It was weird after leaving Kitchener and then entering Waterloo which has finally started to go a little development crazy. They were tearing down buildings around Bauer Lofts and Waterloo Town Square was a buzz of the usual activity. Can't wait to see it all in the summer. The thing with winter is half the time its too cold to really enjoy lingering around - at least for too long.

Yeah, the summer will be much better!! Glad to hear that Waterloo's hopping as usual ;)

-thryve

Yesterday was the day they were supposed to review everything, however, they wish to hold back untill May.

It's a big tug-o-war with the public on this Centre Block project. Some want it, others don't. At the rate this is going, its not going to get built - if ever - for another 10 years. The current library is too small (built to service a population of 70'000), and cannot be expanded. This means they'll end up having to build more satellite locations in the suburbs, causing people to drive all over, which contradicts everything the city is trying to do.

The city's ambitious plans for the extreme makeover of a downtown block are on hold until after a large public meeting is held in May in a bid to increase public support for the re-development.

At the urging of Mayor Carl Zehr, city councillors voted to defer any decisions related to the construction of a new 130,000-square-foot library in the downtown until after a 'citizens' forum' is held in May.

Bah. I'm just sick of the whole thing. Delay delay delay. I bet it does get built eventually though, if only because it fits the City and the Region's vision (like you said). I wonder if they would be eligiable for any more provincial funding, assuming the Places to Grow legislation passes (they're also pro developing downtown)?

On another note, there was an announcement in the Record today that they will be holding public consultation meetings about Phase 1 of the Rapid Transit Environmental Assessment.

April 5: Region of Waterloo Administration Building 4:30-7 pm (open house), 7-9 pm (presentation and discussion)
April 6: The United Kingdom Club (Cambridge) 4:30-7 pm (open house), 7-9 pm (presentation and discussion)

Wish I could go :(

I don't care if they build a 25 story Hilton Kitchener & Convention Centre on the spot; just develope it in a way that will get maxium density. I'd sell my soul to the devil for something exciting and comprehensive, even if the private sector wanted to put up three condo towers complete with a Tim Hortens, McDonalds, Chapters and a Starbucks - fine - its an improvement on whats there currently. I'd rather see that, than wait another 10 years for a library the private sector wasn't interested in developing.

Now don't get my wrong - I love the KPL and visit more often than I care to admit but I wouldn't die if they decided to build it at the Canada Post site, Queen Street or somewhere else downtown. Nothing states it has to built on King Street by City Hall. I'd rather the library be functional and large if that meant two blocks off King. Anyway, Kitchener doesn't want its #1 tourist attraction being a library. Function really is what matters most for that project. However, Centre Block should be something that stands out more, with a retail, office, commercial, residential mix to it.

Definitely. I guess what I should have said is that it probably won't end up as a big parking lot or something. A library will probably be built somewhere.

Do you know what the plans are for the Canada Post site? How much of it will be used for the 'entrance to the park' or whatever it is supposed to be?

^^ As usual, the city isn't keeping K-W folks updated on the Gaukel St. corridor project thingy, but I'm glad someone asked. A prominent planning company within the city is currently working on those designs/plans.

And Tri City Guy, I agree with the comment you made about atleast putting something in, although it is an important block. I don't agree that it is density that is so badly needed there... what is needed is something to draw people downtown. So, a residential condo with a Starbucks, large bookstore like Chapters, and a small public park (in the style of small downtown T.O. parks) would be great... of course, so would a similar project with a library involved ;)

I have decided to stay updated on Uptown Waterloo when I visit the area. It's the smaller CBD between the two of them in K-W, but it operates more maturely, like a larger city, and development is picking up steam.

I can list some of the upcoming developments in Uptown if anyone would like.

-thryve

Okay Ontario folks, these are the latest photos of Waterloo's downtown development that I have been able to find...

All I can say from looking at these, is that there sure isn't going to be a more exciting time for Uptown Waterloo (than this spring and summer and next few years) for decades! Uptown gets busier whenever I am there, and once the downtown residential developments that will bring thousands (yes, thousands) of new downtown residents are complete, it will be just something else!

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Looking real good! Beats anything Kitchener is or is planning on doing and will for along time. Kitchener is just delay after delay.

Hopefully with the election coming up, some smarter people will be elected, and Kitcheners downtown will join Waterloo in really revitalizing the urban core. Everything downtown is dated and extremly ugly.

They need to build some things that people want. Residental and institutional buildings won't do much. They need some retail like Waterloo is doing. Tear down some of those ugly 1970-80's buildings and build something modern. Renovate the old beautiful 1920-30 buildings that look as if they're ready to fall over. Allow street vendors and street food, aswell as musicians to perform without getting kicked away for loitering. Bring some events downtown that various people would like; more arts, nightlife, restraunts, theatre, film, and general events that appeal to people. The Oktoberfest and parades are not enough.

They could stand to have more police downtown. While in reality crime is not a problem, the general public who live out in the suburbs are afraid to step foot downtown, thinking it's like taking a stroll through Compton. I've read many letters in the newspaper about people who refuse to go downtown because of the amount of petty crime, crack-cocaine, drug addicts, drug dealers, hookers, street kids, homeless people, kids who have listened too a little too much 50 Cent. Get some better lighting, bike cops, trees flowers and plants, fix up the decayed buildings and sidewalks, clean up alleyways. Spruce up the Cedar Hill/Eby neighbourhood(s). They're an eyesore.

Above all, they should spread it out. Don't keep everything on King Street. Put some stuff on Duke, Frederick, Ontario, Charles, Gaukel, Queen. Let developers do something nice downtown. Use that 60 million for the library-which the public obviously dosent want-and use it to do something else that will actually rejuvinate the downtown into somewhere people will love to go (and not be scared of). If needed, let artists paint murals on the sides of exposed buildings - they've done it before.

Like I said in a letter, Retail should be built on surrounding streets aswell, not entirely on King Street. Take for example Stratford, a city not even half the size of Kitchener. Their downtown is spread out over many city blocks. The main road is Ontario Street. Full of retail and a nice atmosphere. Then the smaller side streets - Erie, Lakeside, Waterloo, Church, York, Market Place, Albert, Downie - they're all bustling with life. A walk downtown Stratford feels like a walk in a downtown Toronto neighbourhood.

Forget the library, fix up the decayed buildings, and for now, turn the City Centre block into a park. Grass, trees, flowers, benches, a fountain. Display arts and talent, let people go there to read, talk, and relax. Who wants to visit a concrete jungle?

^^ Your comments on Stratford's downtown are so very true. I was downtown Stratford for the first time in my life last spring and I couldn't believe the bustling downtown, street after street. I agree with your comments on Stratford's downtown.

Just a few things though- the police idea would cost too much, the Cedar Hill area isn't an eyesore, it's a social problem that won't just disappear, etc.

Things will eventually come together for downtown Kitchener.

-thryve

aplz, you commented on the fact that Waterloo is bringing retail while Kitchener is taking every other approach.

That is definitely true, but I think before we judge Kitchener on what it is doing wrong, we must realize that Waterloo is VERY lucky to have the developer First Gulf come along, and the new Waterloo Town Square project has been pulled off VERY well... As a developer, First Gulf is doing a top-notch job, and they are doing us all a big favour. It still seems surreal to me that Uptown Waterloo is getting such a tremendous urban redevelopment project.

I was outside today, and the back of the office building (KPMG's new home as of June) is being bricked up. There's orange brick on the side, and the middle is a yellowish beige brick surrounded by glass.

This summer I think WTS (Waterloo Town Square) will be hopping with all sorts of activity, and I'm definitely going to hang out there with my friends.

^^ Your comments on Stratford's downtown are so very true. I was downtown Stratford for the first time in my life last spring and I couldn't believe the bustling downtown, street after street. I agree with your comments on Stratford's downtown.

Just a few things though- the police idea would cost too much, the Cedar Hill area isn't an eyesore, it's a social problem that won't just disappear, etc.

Things will eventually come together for downtown Kitchener.


If you're interested in Cedar Hills, and have a long time to kill, you might be interested in reading this:

http://www.city.kitchener.on.ca/cedar_hill_study.htm

One observation that was made is that there are essentially two 'Cedar Hills'. The side that lies between Church and Charles streets has the highest concentrations of social and assisted housing in the city. I think the report mentions 11 buildings that fit this description in the block between Eby and Cedar (and it's not a very large block).

There are also large numbers of rooming-type houses (run by 'slum lords) in this part of the neighbourhood. Not surprisingly, this is the part of the neighbourhood that fits the 'high crime' etc. stereotypes (although those are definitely exagerated).

The other part of the neighbourhood, between Church and Courtland is fairly normal and has definitely improved over the years. I tell people that it can't be that bad if I managed to survive growing up there. :)

I don't think there are any easy solutions to the problem.

I didn't mean to make fun of the area or anything... but he called it an eyesore... I argue that you can't just raze down people's homes because it doesn't look picture perfect for downtown shoppers and office workers.

And wts pics, I like your point about us being lucky... thank God they came along in the first place, and thank God it's such a great team in charge doing such a good job of it! *phew*

-thryve

Don't worry, I didn't think you were making fun of it. I agree that Cedar Hill (the part nearer to downtown anyway) has a lot of deep rooted problems, and I also agree that you can't just bulldoze everything that you don't like.

I don't know what the solution is, and I'm not sure what the city has done about this.

I didn't mean to make fun of the area or anything... but he called it an eyesore... I argue that you can't just raze down people's homes because it doesn't look picture perfect for downtown shoppers and office workers.

I guess you're right. I shouldnt have called it an eyesore, because there are beautiful homes in that neighbourhood. Decades old houses with beautiful gardens and restorations are dotted all over the area, however, so are a fair amount of crack houses and low income social housing.

The city can't raze the homes, but they could stand to invest a bit and fix up the area. Pave the roads and curbs, fix up the sidewalks, street signs, clean up trash, and have store owners fix up their properties a bit (remove graffiti and what not). While that wont fix the actual problems, it can improve the appearance.

It's not like you can't walk through these areas though, even at night. There is no real risk of getting stabbed or shot. It's just the fact that its a low income area that makes people uneasy. While there is indeed various gangs, lots of drugs, and physical decay, its not somewhere you have to stay away from. This isn't west Baltimore or South Central LA.

Anyways, I think the best thing for the city to do is to leave the library project for now, turn the block into some green space, and improve the aesthetics of the downtown. Better lighting and street scapes are needed. More green spots and minimize the trash and the amature graffiti. Let private developers/companies put up stores, offices, and residental spots so no (city) money is wasted.

I'm so cold towards Kitchener now, that I honestly have found the solution! Put a Costco on Centre Block... for Kitchener, it makes sense :)

I realize that it's the PUBLIC OPINION that directly affected the Library's cancellation on Centre Block. HOWEVER, the process the city used, with no back-up or alternate plans, etc. is so typical to Kitchener, and SO annoying.

So, to be honest, I don't really enjoy downtown Kitchener now, and I don't go there... it's hard for me to go there, because I have to deal with the despair that area faces... until perhaps some university students spur on change. Until then, I say put a Costco, and maybe I will drop in because it would be the closest one to where my friends live.

Whenever I visit the K-W area, I go straight to Uptown Waterloo to hang out... now that's saying something, isn't it? ;)

-thryve

If you still had any hope left...say goodbye.

A historic factory in downtown Kitchener will be replaced by a parking lot.

After spending years and millions of dollars trying to develop a strategic city block, councillors decided yesterday they'll just pave part of it over.

They approved spending $520,000 for the construction of a temporary, 342-space parking lot on the site of the Forsyth factory.

Goodbye Kitchener, hello Waterloo.

If you still had any hope left...say goodbye.



Goodbye Kitchener, hello Waterloo.

Hey, it isn't Waterloo yet. They haven't built an ugly shopping mall downtown .... oh wait.

At least they say it's temporary... for now.

That whole centre block thing has me upset too, it really makes it hard to give a damn what happens when they keep pulling crap like this. This is typical of how development is approached in Waterloo Region: small-time thinking, money wasted with nothing to show, and too much input from a backward-thinking comunity that thinks KW is a small town where awesome things should not be permitted. Five outspoken headcases show up to a council meeting and it is taken as the voice of the whole comunity. Sorry for the rant.

On another note, I don't mind downtown Kitchener. I think it's better than most locals give it credit for, and it has been making slow but real progress. It will never be great, but it might become acceptable.

Downtown Kitchener must be such a turn-off now. I will definitely only be visiting Uptown Waterloo and getting high off the development there.

I have no pity on Kitchener... the council had NO plan B in place, and they, as usual, were narrow-minded about the whole project. They were great about involving the public and having open houses... but it didn't go anywhere.

We want Costco on centre block! That'll bring people downtown... c'mon we want a Costco!

-thryve

I think a Roman style coloseum would be much more entertaining, and a nice addition to centre block. Who would go to Rangers games when you can watch Christians fighting lions downtown!

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Well, it's just an idea.