Post here the info and news about such transport systems from your city & country.

Specifically, I was wondering about the lenght of tram, trolley and commuter rail systems in other cities of Eastern Europe.

In Serbia & Montenegro, a bus oriented country ever since World War II (just Serbia has three bus manufacturers, Ikarbus in Zemun, Neobus in Novi Sad and FAP in Priboj and at least two other mini-bus producers) only Belgrade has a tram system - which as of 2003, is 127.3 kilometers in lenght, if official city transport company's website is to be trusted. But more cities are now planning to introduce trams.

Two weeks ago, there was some sort of international trolleybus conference n Belgrade. Among others, Polish manufacturer "Solaris" was present and they brought their latest "Trollino" to be tested on Belgrade streets. While it left a good impression on everyone - very comfortable with lots of space - it was deemed too expensive for the city, at least for now.:(

During this year, Belgrade will recieve 10 new trolleys each from Russia & Belarus(200k euros per vehicle), and Greek city of Athens is donating the city with 30 of their older trolleys, which have been completely re-built prior to Athens Summer Olympics.


Article about this (in Serbian) - entitled "New trolleybus, but its not for us":D

Novi poljski trolejbus provozao se juče gradskim ulicama

Novi trolejbus ali nije za nas
Spolja, a i iznutra, poljski trolejbus izgleda mnogo ekskluzivnije od naših trola, ima više prostora, a u najmanji model može da stane oko stotinu putnika
Menadžment GSP-a i gosti iz Evrope koji se nalaze u Beogradu povodom sastanka trolejbuske radne grupe, juče su se provozali beogradskim ulicama u poljskom trolejbusu "Solaris-Trolino". Iako je ovaj trolejbus ostavio dobar utisak kod svih, pa i kod direktora GSP-a, ipak ne ostaje u Beogradu, već se vraća u Poljsku. Pored niza prednosti koje "trolino" ima u odnosu na naše trolejbuse, ima i jednu veliku manu - visoku cenu.

Nismo mogli saznati koliko košta, jer predstavnici poljske firme cenu smatraju poslovnom tajnom, ali nezvanično, skuplji je od zglobnog trolejbusa kojeg je GSP prošle godine kupio, a koji košta 210.000 evra. Izgleda da ipak još uvek nemamo para za kvalitet. Poljski proizvođač je dovezao "Solaris-Trolino" da bi se reklamirao pred mnogobrojnim predstavnicima gradskog prevoza evropskih gradova.

Spolja, a i iznutra, poljski trolejbus izgleda mnogo ekskluzivnije od naših trola, ima više prostora, a u najmanji model može da stane oko stotinu putnika. I vozačeva kabina je ergonomski dizajnirana tako da vozač može bez problema da provede osam sati u njoj. "Trolino" ima i platformu za invalide, asinhronu vuču i pomoćni dizel motor koji može da se uključi kada nestane struje.

GSP je već naručio 12 trolejbusa iz Rusije, takođe sa asinhronim agregatima, koji bi trebalo uskoro da stignu u Beograd. Ovo je samo deo investicija GSP-a u trolejbuski sistem, jer ove godine treba da dođe i deset vozila iz Belorusije. Tu treba računati i 30 trolejbusa iz Atine koji su kompletno remontovani prošle godine za potrebe Olimpijskih igara, kao i dva trolejbusa kao poklon grada Salcburga. Ipak, vozila nisu najveći problem trolejbuskog sistema u Beogradu. Najveći radovi biće obavljeni na zameni trolejbuske kontaktne mreže koja se nalazi u lošem stanju.

Predviđeno je da na leto bude zamenjeno najmanje deset kilometara mreže, a radovi će se verovatno obavljati kada i zamena tramvajskog sistema. Drugi veliki problem trolejbuskog prevoza jeste okretnica na Studentskom trgu kroz koju prođe 80 trola za sat vremena. Pri tom postoji samo jedna ulazna mreža, ali pri izlazu trolejbusa iz okretnice postoje dve paralelne mreže kojima se donekle smanjilo opterećenje mreže. Nova okretnica trolejbusa, po svemu sudeći, biće smeštena u Dunavsku ulicu, a ostaje da se reši kroz koju ulicu će biti sprovedena trolejbuska mreža. U opticaju su ulice Tadeuša Košćuška i Kralja Petra.

Latvia

Bus:
A bus system is almost in every city, so here just some infos about Riga:
#of routes: 61 (9 express routes)
Buses in use:
Ikarus 260 / 263 / 280
http://www.imhd.sk/transport/clanky/riga/a47073a01.jpg
(These Ikarus buses aren`t almost in service since this year, you can buy one such bus for about 1`000Ls ~1`666Euro)
Mercedes Benz O345 / O345G
http://www.rigassatiksme.lv/images/spec_photos/77.jpg
Solaris Urbino 12 / 15 / 18
http://www.rigassatiksme.lv/images/spec_photos/70.jpg
Mercedes Benz Cotaro / Citaro L / Citaro G
http://www.mystinenportaali.com/bussi/kuvat/isot/mb/citaro_hkl01.jpg
Ikarus E91
http://www.imhd.sk/transport/clanky/riga/a11026a01.jpg

Trolleybuses:
A trolleybus system exists only in Riga
# of routes: 20

Trolleybuses in service:
Škoda 14Tr / 15Tr
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/SpecIm/Ri201.jpg
Škoda 14TrM
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/SpecIm/Ri422.jpg
Škoda 15TrM
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/SpecIm/Ri509.jpg
Belkomunmash ASK-333 / ASK-321
http://www.imhd.sk/transport/clanky/riga/t2-706a01.jpg
(Riga has the first ever built ASK-321 and second ever built ASK-333)
Solaris Trolino 18
http://www.imhd.sk/transport/clanky/riga/t1-600a01.jpg

Tram:
There are three tram systems - Riga, Daugavpils, Liepaja

Riga:
#of routes: 10

Trams in service:
Tatra T3a
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/SpecIm/Ri2301.jpg
Tatra T6B5
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/SpecIm/Ri253.jpg

Daugavpils:
#of routes: 3

Trams in service:
RVR 6M2
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/daugavpils/050.jpg
(These trams were built in Riga)
KTM 5
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/daugavpils/108.jpg
KTM 8M
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/daugavpils/114.jpg
Tatra T3D (Ex-Shwerin [Germany])
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/daugavpils/070.jpg

Liepaja:
# of routes: 1

Trams in service:
Tatra KT4SU / Tatra KT4D
http://photo.tramvaj.ru/images/SpecIm/Lie219.jpg

Rail:

Map
http://img205.exs.cx/img205/897/latviamap1su.jpg

Trains in service:
EMU:
ER2
http://turksib.com/gallery/20030122_er2-31009.jpg
ER2T
http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/20031206_ER2T-7113.jpg

DMU:
DR1A
http://turksib.com/gallery/dr1a-267b.jpg
DR1P
http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/20050225_11490.jpg
AR2
http://turksib.com/gallery/ar2-01a.jpg

Sofia's public transport SKGT is among the busiest in Europe (according to mayor Sofianski)
of course, buses have the most extensive network
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/bus7_b.jpg
there are some private lines that use MAN lowfloor buses.
most widely used are Mercedes Benz Connecto/0 345, delivered b/n 1999 and 2004
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/bus8_b.jpg
There are some old Mercedes buses, the first non-Icarus viechles in the fleet after 1989. They are scarce
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/bus9_b.jpg
Some Bulgarian made Chavdar buses
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/bus6_b.jpg
MAN SL232
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/bus10.jpg
and, of course, Ikarus 280 (no picture on the SKGT site...)

Tram network is the first electrical system on the Balkans, currently it's 221km longhttp://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/tram10_b.jpg
there are narrow and normal gauge lines
CKD t6a2-BG, most common
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/tram9_b.jpg
Bulgarian made Tramkar t6???M
http://www.skgt-bg.com/Structure/images/tramkar1_b.jpg
some retro looking Duvag cars
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/tram8_b.jpg

Trolleys are also very common 105km network
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/trolley5_b.jpg
Ikarus 280T is the only type on the trolley fleet
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/trolley4_b.jpg
There are no commuter trains in Sofia, another means of transport are the Subway and the cable cars ( :D )
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/lifts2.jpg
http://www.skgt-bg.com/History/images/lifts.jpg

well, maybe my city (Czestochowa) first...

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/int_rozkl/mapa/mapa.htm

lenght is about ~500 km


http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Tramw_105N.jpg
105n, but other painting (only one tram route)

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Ikarus_280.jpg
280, other painting (painting on 280 is similar to these shown below)

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Ikarus_435.jpg
Ikarus 435

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Ikarus_415.jpg
Ikarus 415

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Ikarus_412.jpg
Ikarus 412

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Jelcz_M11.jpg
Jelcz M11

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/Man_NL222.jpg
MAN NL 222

http://www.mpk.czest.pl/tabor/SolarisU12.jpg
Solaris Urbino 12

my city Gdynia (part of TriCity)

http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal356.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal33.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal330.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal332.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal322.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal325.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal314.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal320.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal316.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal195.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal168.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal172.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal125.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal14.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal03.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal29.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal40.jpg http://www.zkmgdynia.pl/images/gal342.jpg

Warsaw buses:

MAN

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album74/MAN_3023_520a.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album74/MAN_3305_192.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album74/MAN_3602_111.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album75/MAN_1311_308.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album76/MAN_A427_513.jpg

Solaris

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album77/Solaris_8618_155.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album77/Solaris_A055_159.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album77/Solaris_A040_171.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album79/Solaris_A344_178.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album79/Solaris_A304_179a.jpg

Neoplan

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album80/Neoplan_6977_174.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album80/Neoplan_6972_727b.jpg

Jelcz

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album85/Jelcz_A506_194.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album85/Jelcz_A508_310.jpg

Warsaw trams:

Konstal 13N

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album70/Konstal_0683_27.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album70/Konstal_0728_21.jpg

Konstal 105Na

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album71/Konstal_2122_29.jpg

Konstal 116Na

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album73/Konstal_3007_33.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album73/Konstal_3009_L.jpg

The pictures below aren't all from Belgrade. The numbers of buses from each manufacturer can be found here: http://www.gsp.co.yu/english/statistic.htm

Most of the buses in Belgrade are made by Ikarbus.

Ikarbus 103 - 117 buses

http://www.ikarbus.co.yu/srpski/autobusi/gradski/ik103/images/ik103_high.jpg

Ikarbus 106 - 1 bus

http://www.ikarbus.co.yu/srpski/autobusi/gradski/ik106/images/ik106_high.jpg

Ikarbus 201 - 176 buses

http://www.ikarbus.co.yu/srpski/autobusi/gradski/ik201/images/ik201_high.jpg

Ikarbus 202 - 112 buses

http://www.ikarbus.co.yu/srpski/autobusi/gradski/ik202/images/ik202_high.jpg

Ikarbus 203 - 23 buses

http://www.ikarbus.co.yu/srpski/autobusi/gradski/ik203/images/ik201_203_high.jpg

There aren't a lot of Neobus in Belgrade, but there are a few.

Neobus 405GZN

http://www.neobus.co.yu/slike/405gzn_photo1.jpg

Neobus 502NG

http://www.neobus.co.yu/slike/502ng_photo1.jpg

Belgrade also has some MAN buses.

MAN Lion‘s Classic G

http://www.man.hr/bus/img/gradski/bus_pl_050_51.jpg

MAN City T

http://www.man.hr/bus/img/bus_pl_029_30.jpg

MAN SU-220 - 4 buses
http://www.ufo.kolej.szczecin.pl/galeria/bus/mzk_ostrow/foto/220.jpg

MAN NL-202 - 24 buses
http://www.vb-stoetzel.de/assets/images/stoez0164__600_x_400_.jpg

MAN SL-283 - 18 buses
http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/bus/img/erlangen/er460.jpg

MAN SG 313 - 75 buses
http://www.man.hr/bus/img/SG313_ZGLOBNI_ANKARA_sl5.jpg

MAN 203 - 14 buses
http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/bus/img/neukam/n-pk-230.jpg

GSP recently purchased 20 Mercedes buses. I'm not sure which model.

Procurement of 20 buses for Belgrade’s GSP granted to "Mercedes"

Mayor of Belgrade (www.beograd.org.yu), Nenad Bogdanovic, stated that contract on procurement of 20 buses for City Transportation Company "Beograd" (www.gsp.co.yu) was assigned to "Mercedes Benz" (www.mercedes-benz.com). Total worth of the deal is around € 3.3 m.
Either
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.yu/imgkom/autobusicitaro.jpg

or
http://www.mercedes-benz.co.yu/imgkom/autobusiintegro.jpg

There are also older Mercedes models.

Mercedes 0405 - 9 buses
http://busexplorer.com/WorldBus/Images/MidSize/SBSVolgrenMercedesArticulated.jpg

Mercedes 0345 - 35 buses
http://busexplorer.com/WorldBus/Images/MidSize/MercedesO345Conecto.jpg

Karosa B 932 E - 10 buses
http://www.prahamhd.vhd.cz/Busfoto/Ostatni/Ruzyne5.jpg

Belkommunash - 11 buses
http://www.kiepe-elektrik.com/trolleybusse/minsk/trolleybus_minsk.jpg

Other Poland cities ..

Bydgoszcz:

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album56/3542_G.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album57/Pesa_255_256b.jpg

Łódź

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album47/1014_G.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album50/1210_3.jpg

Gdańsk:

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album66/Gda_MAN_2059_308_8sWalyJagiellonskie.jpg

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album67/Gda_K114Na_1502_12_9sChlopska.jpg

Kielce:

http://komunikacja.gnoms.net/modules/gallery/albums/album64/Kie_Solaris_326_CT.jpg

No trolleys, trams or commuter rail in Slovenia. :D

Nova Gorica's bus company, Avrigo, has 5 buses for metro routes.

TAM 260 (1989)
http://www.avrigo.si/util/catalogue_bin.php?id=2004081010074481

TAM 260 (1989)
http://www.avrigo.si/util/catalogue_bin.php?id=2004081010321047

MAN NL 262 (1998)
http://www.avrigo.si/util/catalogue_bin.php?id=2004081010331688

MAN NL 263 (2000)
http://www.avrigo.si/util/catalogue_bin.php?id=2005021107423416

Mercedes Benz Sprinter (2000)
http://www.avrigo.si/util/catalogue_bin.php?id=2004081010340060

These are current Zagreb Trams; there are 17 lines in all and just over 400 trams in active service.

TMK 2100 stats, Lenght 27.4m Width: 2.2m Max speed 58km, capacity: 44 seating and 120 standing. No in service: 20+

TMK 2100 - Trams - enterd service in 2000, serving on two lines, 11 and 17.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/ZET_2116.jpg
http://img226.exs.cx/img226/13/pc2900060zg.jpg
http://img179.exs.cx/img179/5407/svetice28zb.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zagreb2102.jpg

German trams purchased in late 80's - about 30-50 are in active service - will remain in service at least till 2010.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/ZET9-01.jpg

Old Skoda Trams I think, purchased in 70's - over 100 in service - to scrapp by 2008
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/871/p21600040jt.jpg


This are old trams sets made in 50's gradually being phased out. - over 250 in service, first to be replaced with new trams... ppl are very nostalgic about this trams.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/ZET_217.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zg_tram_200_01.jpg

wanted to put few pics but the website is down, and news about Ljubljana’s plans to introduce trams in to the city transport network...

btw... http://img29.exs.cx/img29/5769/942ellok15v2bd.jpg

Zagreb new trams TMK 2200 http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/ZET_2200_1_marko_kacic.jpg
New trams are 32m long, 2.5m wide, have 48 seats and another 120 standing positions. Price per tram is 1.6 millUS$ or Euros not sure…

Zagreb has requested 70 of this trams first to be delivered with next 2 moths, there is a great likelihood city will replace all its trams with this new one and as a result order another batch of 100-150 trams.

It is very probable this trams will also grace Osijek’s streets with in few years and potential for exports is great…

Rijeka and Split if they introduce tram lines would also be potential customers for this tram. :cheers:


edit ----------- more info on new zagreeb trams can be found on Koncar site (tram manufacturer)
http://www.koncar-ellok.hr/prikaz.asp?txt_id=1224

News on Ljubljana's trams? Where?

As far as I know, they are going to build a funicular up to Ljubljana Castle.. The trams are a long way from coming, first they have to build the new PCL (central station), then they have to decide whether to have a tram system, a metro system or an underground tram system (wtf?). I say metro is best, but underground tram could work fine too, as it wouldn't look as bad when above ground in the suburbs..

Above-ground trams would suck, because there is a lack of space in the centre of Ljubljana and the trams would only make it worse..

News on Ljubljana's trams? Where?

As far as I know, they are going to build a funicular up to Ljubljana Castle.. The trams are a long way from coming, first they have to build the new PCL (central station), then they have to decide whether to have a tram system, a metro system or an underground tram system (wtf?). I say metro is best, but underground tram could work fine too, as it wouldn't look as bad when above ground in the suburbs..

Above-ground trams would suck, because there is a lack of space in the centre of Ljubljana and the trams would only make it worse..

let me point you to right direction, I think most likeley they going to go for trams - but dont know how manay lines...

http://www.tramvaj.com/english/predvidene_proge.php

from this pic you can ce Ljubljana once had trams...
http://www.train-sim.com/dcforum/User_files/40eb3b4025d2000e.jpg

Looks okay, although I'm a bit sceptical about whether this will actually see the light of day..

These are the buses Japan gave to Belgrade.
http://www.gsp.co.yu/fotografije/JapSkupstina.jpg

Trams we are using are the same as the ones in Pyongyang :D.
Belgrade:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trams/Beograd312-IZ.jpg
Pyongyang:
http://www.pyongyang-metro.com/tramatpalace.jpeg
czech made btw


also we have Swiss trams like Pyongyang
Belgrade:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trams/Beograd606-IZ.jpg
Pyongyang:
http://www.pyongyang-metro.com/greentram.jpeg
The Belgrade's one is from Basel and Pyongyang's one is from Zurich.

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Singidum , this are old trams but it is better than none, I assume you going to get new trams sometimes soon, how many trams lines are there in Belgrade ?

Nice trolley’s my Question to you is , Is Ikarus Serbian company, why don’t they build Belgrade’s trolley’s.

Same with buses, with this you support domestic industry and jobs…

Just a thought….

$183 million is being invested this year in the tram system. This will involve a reconstruction of the network, refurbishment of a lot of the old trams, and the purchase of new ones. In addition, as KM said earlier, we're getting a few refurbished trams from Athens. Currently there are 228 trams in Belgrade, but with the purchase of the new ones it should go above 300. The total length of the tram network in Belgrade is 122 km.

Ikarbus is a Serbian company and a lot of the buses that are purchased are still made by Ikarbus. However, they don't as of yet produce trolleybuses. However, they have made a deal with a Russian company to begin production the trolleybuses.

Not Ikarus but Ikarbus. They produce only buses. GSP usually orders from them but still German made ones are better. I'd say 90% of GSP buses are Serbian made but they are a bit noisy.

About the trams-they will buy some new trams hopefully this or next year but the most important is that light metro will be U/C in 2006. There was a thread on tram reconstruction though.

There are 11 tram lines though they don`t go on 11 different routes. For an example line 10 and line 11 both start from Kalemegdan but later one turns to Novi Beograd and the other turns to Banjica.

buses in Krakow:

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/bu/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/bn/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/bm/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/bj/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/ps000/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/pe000/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/ps100/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/pe100/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/dd/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/da/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/dk/foto.jpg

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/autobusy/bd/foto.jpg

Trams

http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/tramwaje/ngt6_2/2018/02.jpg
http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/tramwaje/p105na900/901902/04.jpg
http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/tramwaje/gt6/162532/03.jpg

All Shots come from EKK

nice bombadier trams, http://www.komunikacja.krakow.pl/tramwaje/ngt6_2/2018/20041007_2018.jpg

I think Krakow got 20 of those with EU financing, very nice trams.

How about Zagreb's tram network? How many lines and how long is it?
What are the plans for the future?

Also guys, forget the buses:)
As the thread title says, this topic is only about Trams, Trolleys and Commuter Rail.

Speaking of which, post something about commuter rail!!!
I know Warsaw and Zagreb have extensive networks....:yes:

How about Zagreb's tram network? How many lines and how long is it?
What are the plans for the future?

Also guys, forget the buses:)
As the thread title says, this topic is only about Trams, Trolleys and Commuter Rail.

Speaking of which, post something about commuter rail!!!
I know Warsaw and Zagreb have extensive networks....:yes:

Well, currently Zagreb has 15 tram lines not 17 as I mentioned before (sorry my mistake) and well over 400 trams, (484 - figure by ZET - Zagreb Electric Tram). There are plans for 2 more tram lines...
Most of the current trams (with the exception of 3-section trams entered service 2000-2003) will be withdrawn from service, possible better conditioned trams will be donated to citiy of Sarajevo and Skopje, would be my best guess.

New Trams which where ordered and bought from Cro-Tram Consortium will enter service from May 2005 and current plan calls for 70 new trams, about 10 trams per line, I hazard the guess. But this is only first batch - most likely final number will be well over 200 and this could take time, say by 2010.

City of Zagreb plans to introduce light metro in the city with in next 3-5 years, 5 lines have been proposed but from what I can understand they are still only talking although the money has been secured. I think new light metro will be over 50% underground and 30% would use existing tram network rails, 20% would require new-build.

Don't know how much would all this cost but estimate for all 5 lines is about 25bnHRK (about 4.4bnSU$). I think it will also take time to build about 15 years, so there is plenty of time, lol

But immediate need is to upgrade the tram and bus stock as you know Zagreb has no trolley's, but most of the buses in ZET service are new Mercedes busses, old MAN busses are gradually being withdrawn as they are all over 15 years old.


oh yes just noticed your commuter rail question, Zagreb has extensive rail network and it is being upgraded and extended, currently city has over 50 local trains which serve the city local services and it is very clean and efficient service, although it's trains are constantly sprayed over by graffiti's, a menace which current city government hasn't tackled yet. :)

http://img81.exs.cx/img81/926/culinec142xl.jpg
http://img171.exs.cx/img171/6301/culinec159ot.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/electric/emu/hr_zagreb_6111-021.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/electric/emu/hz6_111_005zz.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7121/Zagreb/7121_107%2B6111_008_Zagreb1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/car/EuroCity/Aeelt-Beelt/61_78_10-70_004-8_i1.jpg
Images courtesy of long foot on Croatian and Zagreb thread's.

I think Krakow got 20 of those with EU financing, very nice trams.

in fact Krakow has 26 of those trams and got a EU grant for next 24...

in fact Krakow has 26 of those trams and got a EU grant for next 24...



sorry, my mistake Krakow has 26 of this way cool soon you'll have 50, nice, I think Krakow needs at least 150 more of this, but 50 is a good start... :)

commuter's:

warsaw's wkd:

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/foto/040626/406-03.jpg
http://www.pr.pkp.pl/rzecznik/referaty/pliki_kowalski/wkd.jpg

http://www.wkd.com.pl/?module=section&action=content&sectionid=75

Overall lenght 35 kilometers, 28 stations. Route is crossing 6 communes, yearly WKD carries 6,5 mln of passangers.

nice train the wkd one - way cool, is wkd a metro ?

Nope, WKD is city's light rail

see map below:

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/war/warsaw-map.gif

one more photo:

http://de.geocities.com/m_warszawa/wkd-srodmiescie3.jpg

new train:

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/02/70363-1.jpg

http://www.rynek-kolejowy.pl/foto/040626/406-15.jpg

and little history (old train used from 20s till 50s):

http://www.fuw.edu.pl/~michalj/kolej/grodzisk-20030711/50/09__084.jpg

http://www.fuw.edu.pl/~michalj/kolej/grodzisk-20030711/50/15__090.jpg

http://www.kolej.pl/~jareks/am/am-049a.jpg

here you can find thread about Warsaw's metro:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=156840

In Poland these trainsets also act as a commuter rail (small towns to larger cities).

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/0B/12832.jpg

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/0D/38031.jpg

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/0D/38044.jpg

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/01/43930.jpg

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/01/43462.jpg

http://ams1.lo3.wroc.pl/tomek/old/duze/02/13728.jpg

Could someone post the map of Warsaw commuter rail system?

Hmm.. how come those commuter tracks are on plain grass? They're usually on pebbles here..

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SARAJEVO:

http://www.gras.co.ba/zone.jpg

See pictures of literally every type of public transportation in Sarajevo here:

http://tataratira.fotopic.net/c402714.html

BTW: I was taught that Sarajevo was the first city in Europe to have electric tram service - that Vienne tested it on us before applying it there? Is this true?

I was teached by my mother the same thing;)

A tram in Sarajevo:
http://images5.fotopic.net/?iid=y7867l&outx=700&quality=70

;);)

Hehe.. Like I said, the invasion just won't stop..

Oh, found another:
http://images3.fotopic.net/?iid=y7itmz&outx=650&quality=70

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http://www.tourism.ba/eng/cultureandhistory.wbsp
"Only thirteen years upon the first electric power plant in New York, a part of Sarajevo streets was lightened by electric power (1895). In the same time the electric tram was introduced, being the first in the Balkans and in the Middle Europe."

So not true, but close. :)

Indeed, Belgrade had electric trams introduced in 1894, but other cities in the region (Zagreb, Subotica, etc.) may have gotten them even earlier. :dunno:

Mila, can you post some pics of Sarajevo public transport, how many tram lines are there, how many trolley's and so on...
thanx

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Sarajevo Public Transport http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-tramvaji07.jpg
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-tramvaji09.jpg
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-tramvaji01.jpg
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-tramvaji10.jpg
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-tramvaji08.jpg
Sarajevo Trams,

Sarajevo has 7 tram lines, 55 trams are in service at any point out of the fleet of 87 trams.
Length of tram network is 24km, and last year Sarajevo transported 84million passengers. :cheers:

Sarajevo trolley's - 25 in total, length of network is 22.5 km, and daily it transports 50 000 passengers.
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/trolejbus%20man%20SL172HD.JPG
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/novo/Prototip%20-skoda%20-SEAL.jpg

Sarajevo Buse's
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/novo/AUTOBUSI%20-%20MAN.jpg
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-autobus7.jpg
http://www.gras.co.ba/foto/PIC-autobus8.jpg

Четвртак, 24. март 2005.
Тридесет тролејбуса из Грчке за ГСП „Београд”

Возни парк Градског саобраћајног предузећа „Београд” ускоро ће бити богатији за 30 генерално ремонтованих тролејбуса. Рeч је о донацији предузећа „ILPAP S. A. Nea Philadelphija” из Грчке, које је уз возила нашем превознику уступило и већу количину резервних делова оригиналне производње, као и 230 нових пнеуматика вредних 100.000 евра.

Министарство за саобраћај и телекомуникације Републике Грчке ставило је на располагање Београду 49 тролејбуса, али је после утврђивања техничких могућности и капацитета депоа ГСП договорено да прихватимо донацију од 25 тролејбуса ремонтованих за потребе Олимпијаде и још пет у бољем техничком стању. За плаћање трошкова транспорта, шпедиције и техничких интервенција из градског буџета биће издвојено 10 милиона динара, што је мање од цене једног новог соло тролејбуса.

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Basically the Greeks are donating 30 new buses to Belgrade.

Singidinum can you translate plz...
Athens (always have been great friends) are giving Belgrade 30 recently refurbished trolleybuses. It's probably the one on the left that they are giving away. Thanks Greece. Belgrade's also supposed to receive a few more trolleybuses that they purchased from Belkommunash.

http://www.stadtbus2.de/nachrichten/n_foto_0307_athen-1.jpg

Ive just edited my previous post adding some historic stuff...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3651921#post3651921

Belgrade's also supposed to receive a few more trolleybuses that they purchased from Belkommunash.




As well as about 10-20 new solo & articulated trolleys from Vologda/Russia-based firm, Trans-Alfa:

http://www.trans-alfa.vologda.ru/images/TrMadrid.jpg

Ok, here are some Tallinn transportation.
Trolleybuses
Škoda 14 TR
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/14-tr.gif
Škoda 15 TR
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/15-tr.gif
Ikarus 280-T
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/ik_280-t.gif
GA 412 IK
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/ga_412_ik.gif
Ikarus 415-T
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/ik_415-t.gif
Ganz Solaris T12
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/solaris_12.gif
Ganz Solaris T18
http://www.tttk.ee/img/troll/solaris_18.gif
Trams
T4
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ee/trams/tallinn2.jpg
KTNFS6
http://www.hot.ee/transportation/est/tramm/fotod/tallinn/KTNF6_002.JPG
KT4
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ee/trams/tallinn-114.jpg
Maybe Tallinn will have modern tramways network by 2015. Project consists of possible extendings and repairing existing tramways and also building new tramways.
http://www.tttk.ee/img/news/kesklinn.jpg
Commuter rail
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ee/electric/20030129_Tallin_03.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ee/electric/ER2T_2111-2112.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ee/electric/er2-2401-03.jpg

how many trams lines are there in Tallinn? and trolly lines to, thanx ?

Osijek, Croatia - has 3-4 tram lines and uses old Tatra Trams, In all Osijek has 32 of this trams in service.

Tatra T3YU
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Osijek/8226_8202_trg_ante.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Osijek/7219_dravski_most.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Osijek/7213_trg_ante.jpg

Duewag tramcar 9530, 8 of this trams are used by Osijek Public transport.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Osijek/9530_podgrade.jpg

http://www.ztm.waw.pl/images/schematy/040401tram.jpg
Link to Warsaw map of tramlines (huge)

There are 4 tram lines and 9 trolly lines. When this massive tramways network project is completed then it`d reduce number of bus lines and trolleylines.

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^^^ this is not the place for posting pics from Australia

^^ lol yes i know, it didnt say "only from ee" lol so meh, plus im a eeuropean so that gives me the right .. lol sorry i couldnt help my sel;f

well its EE section so its obvious its for EE countries

Belgrade Trolleybuses

Belkommunmas
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_Belkommunmas_2.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_Belkommunmas_1.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_Belkommunmas333_5.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_Belkommunmas333_7.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_Belkommunmas333_9.jpg

Old Gräf & Stift
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_GRAF-STIFT_3.jpg

Trolza
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Belgrade_TROLZA_62-05-01_2.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trolleybus/Beograd153-300903-IZ.jpg

Trams

Tatra
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trams/Belgrade_CKD_KT4YUB_3.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trams/Belgrade_CKD_KT4YUB_4.jpg

Old Duwag
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trams/Belgrade_DUEWAG_BE46_3.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/trams/Belgrade_DUEWAG_BE46_5.jpg

Commuter Rail - Beovoz

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/electric/emu/Beovoz-Pancevacki_Most-3.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/electric/emu/Beovoz-Pancevacki_Most-3.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/yu/electric/emu/JZ412-100.jpg

are there any modern trams in Belgrade?

no. this year they plan to buy new ones as a part of reconstruction of tram network

I would like to post pics of Prague and Bratislava's trams and metros but will leave it to those from Czech and Slovak republics having honour of posting this pics.

there are no czech forumers though

Some of Sofia's newer trolleybuses:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/trolleybus/Sofia/misc/sofia_2002.jpg

Some of Sofia's newer trams:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/trams/T8M/sofia_912.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/trams/T8M/sofia_924.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/trams/T8M/sofia_925.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/trams/T8M/sofia_927.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/bg/trams/T6M/sofia_4027-1.jpg

Can anybody send me or post pics of belgrade in winder-snow plz. thnx.

Trams in Budapest:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trams/Budapest/TW6000/1573_50_1534_50_Kispest_Hatar_ut.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trams/Budapest/Tatra/T5C5K/4063-buda-mt.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trams/Budapest/Ganz/1400-1481/1408-bud-mt.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trams/Budapest/3750/3750_30A_Haller_utca_6.jpg

Trolleybuses in Budapest:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/1146.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/213-79-030811--NZA-.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/705-G-030707--NZA-.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/901_Baross_Ter_28_12_2004.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/DSC07219.jpg

Trolleybuses in Szeged:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/szktt-850-040429-NZA.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/trolleybus/szkt-T-800-030626-NZA.jpg

Trams in Bucharest:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ro/trams/Bucuresti/V3A/44-299.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ro/trams/Bucuresti/V3A/DSC00007.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ro/trams/Bucuresti/BUCUR/35-3004-1.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ro/trams/Bucuresti/Tatra/35-3307.jpg

Trolleybuses in Bucharest:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ro/trolleybus/Bucuresti/7454-86-1.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ro/trolleybus/Bucuresti/86-5153.jpg

Szeged's trolleybuses have a similar livery as Ljubljana's LPP buses.. LPP are normal buses though..

Szeged's trolleybuses have a similar livery as Ljubljana's LPP buses.. LPP are normal buses though..

Can you post some pics of Ljubljana buses and Slovene public transport, we haven't seen anything of Slovene stuff, I would put some but can't find any pics:-(

thanx

Well, we don't have any trams, trolleybuses or commuter rail. We do have buses, but our bus transport system is very scattered and I have no idea where to find any pics. It's nothing special though.

Here's a map of LPP's City Routes:
http://www.jh-lj.si/karte/lpp_mpp_flash.htm

And this is LPP's Regional Routes:
http://www.jh-lj.si/karte/lpp_ppp.htm

I could post pics of Slovenia's normal trains, though. After all, many are used for commuting, and Slovenia is a small country, so what are national routes for us may be barely regional for others. If you're okay with it, I'll post some..

On a side note, Ljubljana will soon start building a funicular up to the castle, so I may post pics of that when it's finished, in a year or two..

Well, we don't have any trams, trolleybuses or commuter rail. We do have buses, but our bus transport system is very scattered and I have no idea where to find any pics. It's nothing special though.

Here's a map of LPP's City Routes:
http://www.jh-lj.si/karte/lpp_mpp_flash.htm

And this is LPP's Regional Routes:
http://www.jh-lj.si/karte/lpp_ppp.htm

I could post pics of Slovenia's normal trains, though. After all, many are used for commuting, and Slovenia is a small country, so what are national routes for us may be barely regional for others. If you're okay with it, I'll post some..

On a side note, Ljubljana will soon start building a funicular up to the castle, so I may post pics of that when it's finished, in a year or two..


Plz do, I want to ce some Slovene contribution to this thread in more than just words:-) BTW I don't know what k.u.k. is, if it is Nordic word (it is very rude ) but if it suppose to have English meaning don't know...

let me contribute with more ICN Bombardier trains in Croatia,

Currently is serving Zagreb - Split, Zagreb Rijeka and Zagreb - Varazdin, more are on order and will expand list of Cities covered by this nice tilting trains, new Intercity trains where also being sought to replace dilapidated stock.

City of Zagreb is looking to expand its network of public transport by adding light metro or light rail - system under consideration would be over 50% underground and approximately 30% would use current tram lines, but rest would needed to be built - primarily connections to Zagreb's suburbs and the airport.

The estimated cost of this project for all 5 lines is 25Bn HRK or 4.4 BnUS$.

They are still discussing the project and most likely go-ahead want be given before 2008.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7123/HZ_7123_003_Remetinec_1_ERS_TB.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7123/HZ_7123_003_ZgGlk_1_ERS_TB.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7123/IC_zagreb_gk.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7123/IMG_1138.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7123/HZ_-_VT612_-_ICN.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/car/EuroCity/Aeelt-Beelt/61_78_10-70_004-8_i1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/diesel/dmu/7123/7123-014-015-asy-02.jpg

Interesting that they aren't electric, but diesel.

Here in Slovenia, we have several types of trains..

First of all electric..

1. SŽ 310 (ICS - InterCity Slovenija) - tilting Pendolino high-speed express trains, introduced in 2000.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/310/Ljubljana/310_000_Ljubljana_12_6_04.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/310/Ljubljana/sz310ics_lj.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/310/Maribor/001_MB_310_005.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/310/cab%2Binterior/sz-310-38.jpg

2. SŽ 312 - New Siemens Desiro trains, entered service in 2002.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/312/Ljubljana/003_LJ-brez_312_124.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/312/Ljubljana/312_112_Ljubljana_12_6_04.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/312/misc/312-133_ZM1.jpg

3. SŽ 311/315 - Old Polish "gomulke", being phased out of service gradually, replaced by the Desiros.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/311-315/315-222.jpg

Diesel:

1. SŽ 711 - Better known as "Zeleni vlak" (Green Train), this trainset is still in usage on non-electrified tracks.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/711/711-004-aqw-03.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/711/711_002_Lj.jpg

2. SŽ 713/715 - Still used, no replacement in sight, as it has got a new livery lately. Before it looked like the 813/814 series.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/713-715/red/713-110.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/713-715/red/715-105-2.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/713-715/red/slika8175.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/713-715/interior/SZ715in.jpg

3. SŽ 813/814 - Similar to the 713/715, but with old livery and is mainly used on the Sežana - Nova Gorica - Jesenice route.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/813-814/modernized/813_101_Stanjel.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/813-814/modernized/Nova_Gorica1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/813-814/modernized/814_102_Js.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/813-814/modernized/813_Interieur.jpg

There are no publicly announced plans of replacing the diesel trainsets, so they're probably staying around for a couple of years more..

Bombardier trains are both electric and diesel, but btw Zagreb and Split lines (tracks) are not electrified and as a result they only use diesel.

Plans are to electrified all Croatian lines but there is discussion whether it is better to build altogether new lines btw Zagreb-Zadar-Sibenik-Split, project for this line alone would cost 2 BnUS$, money better spent on other projects. But electrifying and upgrading existing tracks (which is being done as we speak) is best option and would be most effective on budget.

With Croatian Motorways covering all the country and major cities by 2008 (1550km motorways) it would be pointless building new high-speed line btw Zagreb and Split.

There are plans to buy new intercity trains and tilting trains from current 22 compositions on order, might as well get to over 50 by 2010. Currently there are only 8 Bombardier trains in active service - 5 more to join by mid June and 9 more next year.

Plans than could call for at least 10 more in 2007 bringing number of ICN trains in service to 32.
Simmens is also offering Desiro trains (same as those in service with Slovenian Railways) to Croatia, HZ (Croatian Railways) might get 10-15 of those by 2008.

edit ------------- SŽ 813/814 and 713/715 are local trains - they look like local trains - they are ok, I think they could be fine for another 10-15 years same with zeleni vlak. :) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Like thouse Pandalion trains they look smart...

Heh, all the diesel trains that are used are more appropriate for local than regional service, but they're used everwyhere where the track isn't electrified. All the main tracks are anyway. I think that we do need more electrified and more two-track routes.

Here's a map showing two-track (red) and one-track (black) routes:
http://www.slo-zeleznice.si/uploads/files/slo_zem_vrsteprog_en.jpg

And here's a map showing the electrified (coloured) and non-electrified tracks (black):
http://www.slo-zeleznice.si/uploads/files/slo_zem_energetika_en.jpg
By the way, the track between Celje and Grobelno is indeed electrified, as the ICS runs on that route on its way between MB and LJ.

SŽ is also renewing most of its tracks, this year they are going to electrify the track from Pragersko to Hodoš. Another project that is planned is a second track to Koper.

However I think that SŽ first wants to modernise its trainsets, then afterwards do the infrastructure. They have signed a contract to buy a number of new freight trains from Siemens, and are getting another shipment of the Desiros soon.

They also have to build the new PCL, which will be the most important train station in Slovenia and will also house their HQ, the 1st phase of the complex is expected to be built by 2008.

A study on a new high-speed railway on the route Venezia - Ljubljana - Graz, Ljubljana - Zagreb and Ljubljana - Budapest is also currently underway.

And on a side note, Slovenia already has 1226 km of railways, are you sure 1500km is the amount planned for Croatia by 2008, Orion? It doesn't sound a lot..

thanx edolen, I don't have map of Croatian railways and don't know how much electrification is there but I know they are doing some upgrades - 2000-2010 plans call for all major links would be double tracked and also be electrified.

Project is worth cool 25bnHRK about 4.5 bnUS$ and when complete - system should allow high speed transit by tilting trains - speeds of 160km are already achieved. Don't know if anything faster is planed in longer term.

High-Speed rail link to Split is considered but at this point is seen no viable and profitable option, at 160-200km/ph train from Zagreb could reach Zadar in 3 hours and split in 4, but this only after modernisation which is due to be completed in 2010.

Priority one is motorway link which you already know is complete all the way to Split - but last 150km from Split to Dubrovnik want be completed before 2008 - new massive bridge about 5km long connection Pelesac with mainland is planed and construction should start in late 2005, with completion date of may 2008.

It is likely all ICN trains currently used for travel to Split and other major cities will than be pushed in to service with Zagreb local services and more suitable and proper Inter city trains would be pushed in to service.
ICN trains are relatively cheep each costing just over 2.5 million US$.

Belgrade doesnt has such big tram or troley network in comparation with other cities (the main transport is here by buses which has a extensive network)

Here is a plan of tram and troley network in central part of bgd:

(red - trams, green- troley, blue - night lines)

http://www.gsp.co.yu/slike/KARTA-TMK.gif

p.s.

a map of proposed lines for BELAM (BEogradski LAki Metro) (Belgrade light rail). Thin lines are existing lines of Beovoz ("Beltrain" belgrade commuter train), fat lines are lines of future Belam system.

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/bel/belgrad-metro-map.jpg

What's a night line? O_o

ehehe lol :) night lines are lines where you can go only in night, ordinary buses are used for that :)

I always thought Belgrade had huge trolley's network, I knew they had medium sized tram network, but always thought they had like 30-40 trolley's lines.

Every major city uses buses, but in less extent I would say, example in Zagreb, Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, they are only to connect areas towards the outskirts where tram network hasn't reached yet, suburbia and smaller districts, main city transport is still trams. Although Zagreb plan's to get light metro system with 5 lines sometimes soon, not before 2008.

Budapest example has loads of trams, metro is main public transport and trams are supplementing metro, but buses play same role as in Zagreb.

Belgrade is a city of 1.6 million inhabitants, (Belgrade, Zemun, Pancevo and suburbia included) I would have thought u would have better public transport network.

If no Czech forumers post any pics of Prague public transport system I would be happy to...

Does Skopje in Macedonia got any trams ? :cheers:

ehehe lol :) night lines are lines where you can go only in night, ordinary buses are used for that :)
Oh, hehe, I found it weird as there were more night lines than regular trolley and tram lines..

Belgrade is a city of 1.6 million inhabitants, (Belgrade, Zemun, Pancevo and suburbia included) I would have thought u would have better public transport network.
People used to LOVE road transports (cars, cars, cars, trucks, lorries, vans, buses for almost all pax transports, cars, cars, cars etc...) in late Yugo.
City and regional networks are still mainly made of bus lines and bus stations are often bigger than railway stations.
Yugo followed as a "fashionista" the trend of many western countries favouring the road against the rail during the '50 and '60 and it still shows... :(

Closed tramway networks (and don't ever ask me the closed narrow and normal gauge lines :D ) :

Slovenija :
Ljubljana 1959
Piran - Portoroz 08/1953

Croatia :
Dubrovnik 20/03/1970
Opatija - Matulji 01/04/1935
Pula 15/06/1934
Rijeka 31/05/1952
Velika Gorica (Horse drawn) 1937

Serbia :
Nis 1959
Novi Sad 1958
Subotica 1974

Does Skopje in Macedonia got any trams ?
AFAIK, no.

:cheers:

Vilnius city transport:

Volvo 7700 (silver is new bus colorscheme in Vilnius)

http://www.vap.lt/photogallery/volvo/sudvejinti2.jpg

http://www.vap.lt/photogallery/volvo/specialistai.jpg

Mercedes-Benz Cito (only color is silver like on Volvo)

http://www.tice.lu/de/images/bus/big_mb_cito.jpg

+ some old Ikarus buses

Solaris Trollino 15

Vilnius:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.gajda/bula/bula1.jpg

Overview ;)
http://pkms.webzdarma.cz/crd03-04.jpg

And some older ones:

Škoda 14Tr / 15Tr
http://members.lycos.nl/maantas/IMGP2512.JPG

Slovenija :
Piran - Portoroz 08/1953
Ljubljana 1959

There was a Piran - Prtorož tramway? Wow! That might explain why Obala in Portorož has a wider grassy median (Obala is the main road running parallel to the coast in Portorož).

Also, there was a narrow-gauge rail line called the Parenzana, it ran from Trieste to Poreč, maybe the Piran Portorož line was actually part of the railway and thus not really a tram line?

Oh, hehe, I found it weird as there were more night lines than regular trolley and tram lines..

lol, it does look like, does Ljubljana have night bus (public transport) service,
Zagreb does, 4 tram lines - 31. 32, 33 and 34.

Don't know of any bus lines, perhaps there are some but I don't know.

Pics of Prague Public transport.

Trams, this are new trams in Prague only 4 in service so far - they have many techical difficulties with this trams,

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/RT6N1/PRAG9051.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/RT6N1/prag9102.jpg

Old Tatra trams, - entered service in early 80's and about 200 of this trams still serve Prague Public transport system.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/T6A5/2004_CD_051.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/T6A5/12143.jpg

Tatra KT8D5 Trams - nearly 100 of this trams are in service with Prague Trams. 3-section trams entered service in late 80's and early 90's.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/KT8D5/12137.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/KT8D5/9047_juli02_M.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/KT8D5/12162.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/trams/Praha/KT8D5/12149.jpg

Prague metro - 3 lines, Prague metro has just received new Simens train-sets and they look way cool.


http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/metro/Praha4145_1it02.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/metro/Praha_metro_mod.jpg

old Soviet metro cars, - modernised by Tatra.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/metro/81-717_1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/metro/Praha_metro_mod_i.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/metro/rajska3.jpg

Prague metro station - Rajska Station

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/metro/rajska2.jpg


enjoi :) :) :) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

whats the population of prague? what country is it the capital of?

Prague - Czech Republic, population 1.22 million (1.7 million - greeter metro area)

There was a Piran - Prtorož tramway? Wow! That might explain why Obala in Portorož has a wider grassy median (Obala is the main road running parallel to the coast in Portorož).
:yes:

Also, there was a narrow-gauge rail line called the Parenzana, it ran from Trieste to Poreč, maybe the Piran Portorož line was actually part of the railway and thus not really a tram line?
:nono: it was a genuine electric tramway line linking Portoroz, where the Parenzana had a station, to Piran.


a pic of the Piran tramway (http://www.pospichal.net/lokstatistik/97990-piran.htm)

about Parenzana (http://www.rex-mk.si/parencana/naslovna.html)
more about Parenzana (http://www.istrianet.org/istria/navigation/land/parenzana/menu.htm)
still more about Parenzana (http://www.zusterna.si/index.php?id=3)

:cheers:

there is talk of possible return of tram to Dubrovnik, Pula and Rijeka, Split and Varazdin are also considering introducing the tram.

Croatian main City's population :

Zagreb 800 000 - metro - 1.15 million, City has 15 Tram lines , 2 more under consideration and plans to introduce 5 lines of light metro system. Zagreb is extending current tram lines but it is planning to introduce 2 more lines.

Picture of current Zagreb trams.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zg_tram_2101_02.jpg

Osijek - 130 000 - metro -180 000, City has 3-4 tram lines - network is being extended and modernised.

Split - 205 000 - metro area 275 00 - 2nd Largest city in Croatia, only well developed network of buses - plans for tram network of 4 lines exist, potential for development of tram probable after 2007.

Rijeka - 170 000 - 225 000 metro area - 3rd largest city in Croatia, largest sea port. Had trams in past most likely city government will reconsider trams very soon, if so 4 tram lines would be required for the city and its suburbs.
Opatija is now part of Rijeka and would probably integrated in to any future tram projects in the city.

Zadar - 82 000 - 150 000 metro area, buses only, could benefit from tram network if so 2 tram lines posible.

Pula - 72 000 - 125 000 metro area - once had trams, what's stoping them having trams again if so one or two lines posible.

Dubrovnik - 51 000 - 108 000 metro area, - tourism at is best, had 1 tram line - discussion started at reviving once city's tram lines. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

edit: Zagreb is introducing new trams, pics posted erlier in this thread. :cheers: :cheers:

Orion: No, Ljubljana doesn't have specific night lines, most routes operate either from 3AM or 5AM till around 10PM.

There are no specific night lines but the buses begin their routes at Bavarski dvor (main station) in the evening and run till about midnight, but that's the only difference. However between midnight and 3 (or 5) there are no bus routes apparently.

Orion: No, Ljubljana doesn't have specific night lines, most routes operate either from 3AM or 5AM till around 10PM.

There are no specific night lines but the buses begin their routes at Bavarski dvor (main station) in the evening and run till about midnight, but that's the only difference. However between midnight and 3 (or 5) there are no bus routes apparently.
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I guess if you go out of the night club at 3 just on time for first bus, lol, but if you are late to last bus at 12:15 your option are taxi or a jog home... lol.
I don't know, there may be night lines, that's all I got from their website, which isn't that good..

I can't say for sure, never been to Ljubljana at night..

Bratislava Tram Network consist of 12 lines and city just started to refurbish all of its trams and new trams have just started to enter service...

KTS Trams
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/K2S/DSC07347.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/K2S/DSC07310.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/K2S/DSC07307.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/K2S/DSC07291.jpg

T3 Trams
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T3/7801-brat-mt.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T3/7807-brat-mt.jpg

T3S Trams
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T3S/dpb_7301-7302_001.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T3S/7301-brat-mt.jpg

T6A5 Trams
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T6A5/7949_1.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T6A5/DSC07270.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T6A5/DSC07283.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/sk/trams/Bratislava/T6A5/DSC07349.jpg

You know what I hate? Buses/trams/trains/etc. filled with ads! That really bakes my lasagna! Argh!

I always thought Belgrade had huge trolley's network, I knew they had medium sized tram network, but always thought they had like 30-40 trolley's lines.

Belgrade troley network isn't big for such city, but lines are very intense. For example, on line 29 you have the troley every 3 minutes, and every troley is full. On 8 lines there are 126 troleys (15,75 per line, average lenght of troley line is 7,7 km) IMO Troleys are outdated and the lines shouldn't be build anymore, old can be extended and that was. Future is in light rail metro.


Every major city uses buses, but in less extent I would say, example in Zagreb, Prague, Budapest, Warsaw, they are only to connect areas towards the outskirts where tram network hasn't reached yet, suburbia and smaller districts, main city transport is still trams. Although Zagreb plan's to get light metro system with 5 lines sometimes soon, not before 2008.

Budapest example has loads of trams, metro is main public transport and trams are supplementing metro, but buses play same role as in Zagreb.
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That is typical for cities in that part of Europe, in Germany there are many very big cities which have much larger Bus network than tram. But they have very extensive S-Bahn system (a kind of subway), so it s a "compensation" for a missing parts with no trams.

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Belgrade is a city of 1.6 million inhabitants, (Belgrade, Zemun, Pancevo and suburbia included) I would have thought u would have better public transport network.

Pancevo has its own public transport system that doesnt belong to Belgrade and Pancevo is officialy NOT part of Belgrade (IMO it s weird :sleepy: )

Anyway, Belgrade bus transportations is divided in two parts, GSP (Gradski Saobracajni Prevoz) and "Lasta Beograd", "Lasta Beograd" connects suburbs with city and in the city you use GSP for conituing transport. There is beovoz system too, but it s unfortunately not very active (lack of trains).

anyway here some interesting infos about transportation in BGD:

Number of Vehicles/ Number of lines / Lenght of all lines (in km) / average lenght per line

Tram 222 / 12 / 127,3 / 10,6
Troley 126 / 8 / 61,2 / 7,7
Bus 900 (+ privarte firms ca 400 buses, together 1300) / 112 / 1395.2 / 12,5

That are numbers for GSP, there are too ca 400 buses from private bus firms working under coverage of GSP.
:cheers:

:cheers:

You know what I hate? Buses/trams/trains/etc. filled with ads! That really bakes my lasagna! Argh!

lol, I can ce where you coming from...

Actually I like adds on trams, have not seen any on buses, but if you have pics plz post them here, would love to ce this....

lol, I can ce where you coming from...

Actually I like adds on trams, have not seen any one buses, but if you have pics plz post them here, would love to ce this....
Well, if a whole livery is one big ad, I can take it, but if it's filled with different ads, it's disgusting. I prefer the normal livery to an advert livery though. I don't have any pics, but there isn't really much to show anyway..

Here's an example of a train with an advert livery:
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/diesel/dmu/713-715/advertisement/sz-715-14.jpg

Gdansk Public transport, trams



New Gdansk Trams
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/1001_-_NGd99_-_2003-09-19.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/NGd_1002_Jelit_14_08.jpg

Older Trams in Gdansk
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/105Na_1200_31_10_2004_Siedlce.jpg


http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/105Na_1202_11_12_Opera.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/105Na_1202_11_12_Siedlce_02.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/105Na_1202_11_12_Siedlce.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/105Na_1238_11_12_Jelitkowo.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pl/trams/Gdansk/114Na_01.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zg_tram_tatra1_01.jpghttp://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zagreb2102.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zagreb431.jpg

Old Skoda Trams I think, purchased in 70's - over 100 in service - to scrapp by 2008
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/871/p21600040jt.jpg


Those are ČKD-Tatra T4 (built for ex DDR and Yugoslavia, almost the same thing like T3(all over eastern Europe, especially in ex Czechoslovakia and USSR)), about 95 were bought with about 85 trailers, they travel on routes 4, 6, 7 and 14 with trailers and 15 without a trailer. I read somewhere that they might be sent to Belgrade (they can't go to Sarajevo, Sarajevo runs 1435 mm gauge network, ZG and BG are 1000 mm networks) after TMK-2200 comes.

old tatra or skoda trams - not sure, purchased in early 80's - only 35 survive, very difficult to up-keep. also to be phased out by 2008.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/Zagreb900_1.jpg

:?
This is ĐuroĐaković prototype (I don't know the type), only one was built and was never massively produced. The trams that should go out of service are ĐĐ T-101, they were built about 1958-63, and they are 2-axle trams, I think one of last still in use. Much of them are already out since the German GT6's came.
http://p.vtourist.com/679701-Other-Zagreb.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zg_tram_100_01.jpg

The apperance of T-101 is very similar to ĐĐ T-201 built in 1974 and 1975, it is a very powerful tram and comes always with 2 trailers, only a few of them are still in service since some of their parts are being used to make TMK-2100
http://p.vtourist.com/1580873-Other-Zagreb.jpg
http://p.vtourist.com/2010881-Other-Zagreb.jpg

There are also 50 ČKD-Tatra KT4 built around 1985, they are planned to be fully reconstructed, money for the reconstruction is already assured.
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/m_ZET_328_050130_1_TB.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/zg_tram_tatra2_01.jpg

There are still some old MAN-Avtomontaža buses, but now the most of them are MAN and Mercedes-Benz low-floor buses (MAN NM,NL,NG 2 and 3, MB O405 N and NG, O530), there are also a few old O305 (G) and SL/SG 2 bought used from Germany
http://p.vtourist.com/1976971-Bus_Car-Zagreb.jpg
http://www.prijevoz.hr/images/galerija2005/nikola_vlastite08.jpg
http://www.prijevoz.hr/images/galerija2005/nikola_vlastite01.jpg
http://www.prijevoz.hr/images/galerija2005/sennacher_vlastite04.jpg
http://www.prijevoz.hr/images/galerija2005/sennacher_vlastite05.jpg
http://www.prijevoz.hr/images/galerija2005/nikola_vlastite09.jpg

Trams in Poznan

http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/rt6n1/000_0185.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/rt6n1/000_0948.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/rt6n1/000_0968.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/gt8/000_0490.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/gt8/000_0662.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/gt6/1364.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/3g/000_0370.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/typy/3g/000_0815.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/wnetrza/0846.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/wnetrza/1441.jpg
http://www.emark2.republika.pl/tramwaje/foto/wnetrza/0452.jpg
http://www.poznan.g.pl/komunikacja/PST_widok_na_centrum_dd.jpg

Warsaw's Metro Trains

http://metro.civ.pl/foto/Stacja%20Techniczno%20Postojowa/IMGP2248.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/Stacja%20Techniczno%20Postojowa/IM001590.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/Stacja%20Techniczno%20Postojowa/IM001592.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/Stacja%20Techniczno%20Postojowa/IM001594.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/stacja%20Dworzec%20Gdanski/PC300145.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/stacja%20Dworzec%20Gdanski/PC300153.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/stacja%20Ratusz/PC300102.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/stacja%20Swietokrzyska/IMGP2319.JPG
http://metro.civ.pl/foto/stacja%20Kabaty/IMGP2030.JPG
http://www.metro.waw.pl/grafika/0a.jpg
http://www.metro.waw.pl/grafika/dw_gdanski2.jpg

Hi!

Here you can find pics of new Zagreb tram - TMK 2200:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hr/trams/Zagreb/2200/pix.html

It's 100% low-floor, fully air-conditioned, has cameras, etc.

btw. serie TMK 2100 will get air-conditioning for passanger area

City of Moscow



Suburban trains


ER2 (old typical suburban trains)
http://www.rzd.ru/images/viewimage.html?pi_id=4306
http://www.rzd.ru/images/viewimage.html?pi_id=3402
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20031020_er2r-7022.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/er2-1155.jpg


ED4M and ED4MK (typical modern suburban trains)
http://www.rzd.ru/images/viewimage.html?pi_id=3157
http://www.rzd.ru/images/viewimage.html?pi_id=3165
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20040326_ed4mk-0073-em2i-002-pav-25.03.04.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050809_19577.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050808_19508.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050613_16205.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/ed4m-0059.jpg
http://turksib.com/gallery/20030123_ed4m-0071-kur.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050108_9933.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20040923_ed4m-0119.jpg


EM4 (Suburban train on busy services)
http://www.rzd.ru/images/viewimage.html?pi_id=13020
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050807_19495.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20040215_sputnik2.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20040223_em4-006-myt-23.02.04.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20041031_7685.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20040528_em4-006.jpg


EM2I (mostly on special services, like airports)
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050319_12370.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050525_15218.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050621_16772.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050602_15566.jpg


some other non typical trains
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20050719_18273.jpg
http://parovoz.com/gallery/20041117_8378.jpg



Trams and Monorails


Monorail
http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/20041120_8447.jpg
http://www.parovoz.com/gallery/20041120_8454.jpg

In Moscow mainly in use 71-608КМ, 71-619К and T-3.
There are also dozen of other models, but not over 20 cars for each.
Those three is over 100 cars per model.

71-608КМ
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1266_20030511_1.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1268_20041231_2.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1269_20031214_.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk4239_20050203_1.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk4230_20041017_1.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk5205_20030508_1.jpg


71-619К
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1282_1283.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1283_20041203_10.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1289_20050412_1.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1292_20050503_568.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk1293_20050316_4.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk5269_20050128_1.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk4272_20041017_01.jpg
http://vagons.tramvaj.ru/photos/msk/msk2090_20050412_1.jpg


T-3
http://23.tramvaj.ru/t23-3927.jpg
http://23.tramvaj.ru/sokol5.jpg
http://23.tramvaj.ru/sokol7.jpg
http://23.tramvaj.ru/sokol15.jpg
http://23.tramvaj.ru/sokol20.jpg



Trolleys

mostly in use ZiU-682 and ZiU-683


ZiU-682
http://trolley.ruz.net/trollcars/ziu/ziu682g00/6288_01.jpg
http://trolley.ruz.net/trollcars/ziu/ziu682g00/4275_01.jpg


ZiU-683
http://trolley.ruz.net/trollcars/ziu/ziu683/5664_01.jpg
http://trolley.ruz.net/trollcars/ziu/ziu683/7671_01.jpg

POLAND

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v518/obserwator/uuuu18.jpg

http://infobus.com.pl/kraj/10/l_1.jpg

http://www.ztm.waw.pl/foto/2/b-4.jpg

http://www.sitk.gorzow.e9.pl/wydarzenia/cityrunner.jpg

http://www.bombardier.com/library/transport/pressrelease/low/GER_KRAKOW_LowRes.jpg

http://www.ztm.waw.pl/foto/1/t-5.jpg

http://www.metro.waw.pl/grafika/dw_gdanski15.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/1/2932/z2932891G.jpg

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/0/2932/z2932890G.jpg

Bulgaria.

Vratsa:
ZIU-9 (ZIU-682)
http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/10/65636.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/2-65636.html)

Ikarus 280T
http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/2/81259.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/2-81259.html)


Pazardzik:
Skoda 9Tr
http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/5/66148.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/2-66148.html)

Skoda 14Tr
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/small/2/67223.jpg (http://156.17.233.249/transport/autobusy.php?s=14&nr=67223)

Gliwice - Southern Poland - buses&trams

MAN NG313
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/0/86427.jpg

MAN NL263
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/2/86363.jpg

MAN NL223
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/9/71212.jpg

Solaris Urbino15
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/4/31431.jpg
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/8/5607.jpg

MAN NL222
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/3/35984.jpg

Volvo B10BLE
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/9/35979.jpg

Jelcz M125M
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/6/82396.jpg
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/10/66098.jpg

DAB 12-1200B
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/7/60364.jpg

DAB 12-1800B
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/0/78925.jpg
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/10/35826.jpg

Kapena Thesi City
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/4/82394.jpg

Ikarus 260
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/8/69858.jpg

Ikarus 280
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/2/36115.jpg

Jelcz M11
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/3/36083.jpg
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Konstal (only old trams:()
http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/10/13562.jpg

http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/1/74702.jpg

http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/2/57840.jpg

http://156.17.233.249/transport/images/photos/big/2/34377.jpg

My Belgrad:

Ikarbus IK201(?):
http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/9/67021.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/autobusy.php?s=14&nr=67021)

http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/0/67144.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/autobusy.php?s=14&nr=67144)

Ikarbus/Ikarus 160
http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/1/67145.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/autobusy.php?s=14&nr=67145)

Ikarbus IK103
http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/images/photos/small/7/80582.jpg (http://transport.asi.pwr.wroc.pl/autobusy.php?s=14&nr=80582)

TMK 2100 stats, Lenght 27.4m Width: 2.2m Max speed 58km, capacity: 44 seating and 120 standing. No in service: 20+

TMK 2100 - Trams - enterd service in 2000, serving on two lines, 11 and 17.


OK, although this post is a year+ old, I have to correct Mic:

First tram of the 2100 series entered service in 1994, and there are 16 in service. And it's actually an upgraded tram of the DJDJ 201 series.