View Full Version : Toronto's Great Big Boom!!!
Travis007 March 29th, 2005, 12:27 AM Here's a list of projects going on in Toronto. All the projects that are completed are completed from 2002 and after. Most of the projects are highrise (12 stories and over) but I've added in a few mid and rlow rises too.
Emporis' stats for Toronto are:
1608 Completed
122 Proposed
110 Approved
51 Under construction
1 On Hold
1 Under Reconstruction
Toronto-The Great Big Boom! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=3675400#post3675400)
Site with all projects Recently Completed/Approved/Proposed/Under Construction (www.torontohighrise.info)
lazar22b March 29th, 2005, 12:35 AM that is a very impressive list. It would be great to see the difference between today's skyline and the skyline in 10 years.
Sonic from Padova March 29th, 2005, 12:37 AM Incredible....go TORONTO!!!!!!!!!
Raza March 29th, 2005, 12:39 AM even toronto's suburb Mississauga is having a huge skyline, when i came to Mississauga back in 1997, there were just a few scrapers on hurontario road, but today its a dense jungle.
Brett March 29th, 2005, 01:18 AM Whenever i drive into Toronto (which is once a month or so) im always shocked by the number of cranes i see. Its not just limited to one area of the city either every where there is buildings going up.
Raza March 29th, 2005, 01:27 AM Toronto could be termed dubai of North America.
FK March 29th, 2005, 02:01 AM Awesome!!
Go T.O!!!!!!!!!!
B@dGuYoM March 29th, 2005, 02:41 AM impressive is the good word
Medo March 29th, 2005, 02:48 AM Nice one Toronto!!!
HirakataShi March 29th, 2005, 04:15 AM was in Toronto during the easter break, I too was amazed by all the cranes I saw everywhere. It's not just downtown, it's scarborough, north york and etobicoke too. Condos are going up everywhere. It's good to see that the former suburbs are embracing infill.
Raza March 29th, 2005, 04:17 AM was in Toronto during the easter break, I too was amazed by all the cranes I saw everywhere. It's not just downtown, it's scarborough, north york and etobicoke too. Condos are going up everywhere. It's good to see that the former suburbs are embracing infill.
are you japanese, what were you doing in Toronto. :jk: :weirdo: :runaway:
1st Division Marine March 29th, 2005, 06:37 AM shit Toronto is becomming a New York City.
M()R()N March 29th, 2005, 07:02 AM I live right now in Toronto, and my home is Dubai (well abudhabi , samething)
I should be happy :)
SA BOY March 29th, 2005, 11:32 AM what is driving the TO boom?
SKYMTL March 29th, 2005, 06:37 PM ^^^Artificial inflation. I'm not kidding. I'll elaborate when I have more time.
Nick in Atlanta March 29th, 2005, 07:10 PM I'm not dismissing the amount of construction going on in Toronto, but almost all the buildings are residentials. You can count on one hand the amount of commercial office buildings going up.
Nick in Atlanta March 29th, 2005, 07:15 PM I'm not dismissing the amount of construction going on in Toronto, but almost all the buildings are residentials. You can count on one hand the amount of commercial office buildings going up. The only office building going up, according to Skyscraperpage.com's top 25 building's under construction is the Canada Life Center, which is around 300 feet.
Nick in Atlanta March 29th, 2005, 07:20 PM ^^^Artificial inflation. I'm not kidding. I'll elaborate when I have more time.
It's also happening in the US in Southern California and the Northeast. I read that in Santa Barbara, California, only 4% of the population can afford to buy the average priced house. It's basic economics. If there is no one that can afford the higher and higher priced houses or condos, then the inflated prices will collapse. Hopefully, it will not "pop" like a bubble, but just gradually lower in price, otherwise the shock effect could effect the US and Canadian economies dramatically.
You are to blame March 29th, 2005, 07:21 PM ^ Whats wrong with residentials buildings, they add to an area density which brings alot of amenities to some areas which otherwise are dead during parts of the day. Anyway i find condo's more attractives than the current group of commercial buildings toronto has.
Nick in Atlanta March 29th, 2005, 07:26 PM ^ Whats wrong with residentials buildings, they add to an area density which brings alot of amenities to some areas which otherwise are dead during parts of the day. Anyway i find condo's more attractives than the current group of commercial buildings toronto has.
Nothing is wrong with residential buildings. I love them. We are going through a mini-boom in residential highrises here in Atlanta right now. My only point is that the building boom in Toronto is in only one area, residentials, and not in commercial buildings. Obviously no developer thinks he can make a profit by putting up a commercial building, and he/she is probably right.
You are to blame March 29th, 2005, 07:33 PM ^ Their are too many suburban commercial property in the toronto area for anyone to build massive commercial towers
DrJoe March 29th, 2005, 07:43 PM Here is a recent application for a +500ft office tower in downtown Toronto
http://www.city.toronto.on.ca/legdocs/2005/agendas/committees/te/te050330/it032.pdf
DrJoe March 29th, 2005, 07:44 PM dp
valantino March 29th, 2005, 07:49 PM "what is driving the TO boom?"
- pent up demand
- immigration
- renewed interest in urban living
Toronto is not Santa Barbara or the US for that matter -
our lenders are not only extremely cautious but mortgages here aren't tax deductable.
"You can count on one hand the amount of commercial office buildings going up."
And what's your point? There is little demand for commercial space here like in most of North America cities including Atlanta (the towers that are being built are due to unbridled competition moreso than the actually need for more space)
algonquin March 29th, 2005, 08:39 PM a main factor in the lack of commercial development in Toronto was the glut of space created in the early 90's when NAFTA killed off Toronto's garment manufacturing industry. The 'Fashion District' is located adjacent to downtown, and is a medium-density area with predominantly 5-10 story turn-of-th- century factories. These have all since been converted to a significant amount of office space (not sure of the number), and is a very desirable location (I happen to work in one of these buildings.... all wood beams, brick exterior). This excess of space helped made commercial development undesirable.
Local media has cited industry experts on several recent occasions; the word is that within a year or two commercial high-rise development will be in demand again. :)
valantino March 30th, 2005, 12:23 AM "(not sure of the number)"
~8 million square feet
Roch5220 March 30th, 2005, 12:30 AM The only office building going up, according to Skyscraperpage.com's top 25 building's under construction is the Canada Life Center, which is around 300 feet.
True. There hasn't been a major office building downtown since the early 90s, unless you include a 20s, which I don't. The growth has been in the burbs, due to tax differences. If all burb growth happend downtown, there would be enough for 5 first cdn places. Downtown Toronto alreadh has the 3rd larges concentration per sq foot of office space in North America, the mass residential is what is needed in my opinion. Granted, I would love to see a huge office building go up, now is the defining point in Toronto's skyline. Instead of being a single purpose downtown like most US sunbelt skylines (where offices dominate), the residential is a balancing things out.s
1st Division Marine March 30th, 2005, 04:11 AM i think Toronto need's to start bringing in the big time architects for building more commercial office buildings atleast at 50 stories high wow what a city it would look like then.
G_DOG March 30th, 2005, 04:24 AM ^totally agree !
Travis007 March 30th, 2005, 05:12 AM The difference between a condo tower and a office tower and how it appears in the skyline is that an office tower would have a much bigger impact. Just compare a pic with Toronto's new 1 King West condo tower (578 ft) and the surroundings of it. It's all tall and wide office buildings. You would notice it in the skyline, but it is much thinner and gets dwarfed. Also, Toronto's new Cityplace development (20 condo towers) west of the CBD is looking very samll in Toronto's skyline right now. The tallest is 49 Stories and just about below 500 ft. and you would probably not even notice it being 500 ft. If it was in Vancouver's skyline, which is mostly condo towers, it would probably look the tallest.
I would love to see more tall office towers in downtown Toronto. The tallest Toronto office building built in this decade is the 20 st. 347 ft. Maritime Life building. I hope that eventually Toronto will have an commercial space boom. There is already a rumor that Toronto's On Hold Bay-Adeliade project will return in the future as Toronto's tallest building. Toronto already has a few office towers approved but are just without main tenants like BCE Place III, 49 St. (could be somewhere in the 600 ft. range), Simcoe Place II 40 st. Richmond-Adelaide II, 41 st. 595 ft. 1 Union Plaza, 32 St. and 18 York St. 37 St. 449 ft.
Skybean March 30th, 2005, 05:19 AM Boom? The "boom" isn't great enough!
BTW: Don't forget cultural institutions i.e. Royal Ontario Museum/ Art Gallery of Ontario/ Ontario Science Centre as well as the major Airport construction going on right now.
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/318/romnight1iz.jpg
Edit: Oh. And Are Be's favourite-- the Opera House :)
Nick in Atlanta March 30th, 2005, 05:54 AM I'm glad to see that the arts and science museums are thriving in Toronto. My late grandmother was on the board of the Royal Ontario Museum when it had to close in the 80's due to financial problems.
My only point in my first post was to point out that the boom going on in metro Toronto is in residential buildings. It's not a problem that there is little commercial construction going on. I'm actually kind of surprised that little commercial office space is being developed downtown, because I believe the vacancy rate is in the single digits.
Don't bash me for commenting on Toronto. I live in Atlanta, but a lot of my roots are in Toronto and I'm very pro-Toronto on this website. The only criticism I give comes from my desire to see Toronto thrive in a balanced way.
You are to blame March 30th, 2005, 08:02 PM The difference between a condo tower and a office tower and how it appears in the skyline is that an office tower would have a much bigger impact. Just compare a pic with Toronto's new 1 King West condo tower (578 ft) and the surroundings of it. It's all tall and wide office buildings. You would notice it in the skyline, but it is much thinner and gets dwarfed. Also, Toronto's new Cityplace development (20 condo towers) west of the CBD is looking very samll in Toronto's skyline right now. The tallest is 49 Stories and just about below 500 ft. and you would probably not even notice it being 500 ft. If it was in Vancouver's skyline, which is mostly condo towers, it would probably look the tallest.
I would love to see more tall office towers in downtown Toronto. The tallest Toronto office building built in this decade is the 20 st. 347 ft. Maritime Life building. I hope that eventually Toronto will have an commercial space boom. There is already a rumor that Toronto's On Hold Bay-Adeliade project will return in the future as Toronto's tallest building. Toronto already has a few office towers approved but are just without main tenants like BCE Place III, 49 St. (could be somewhere in the 600 ft. range), Simcoe Place II 40 st. Richmond-Adelaide II, 41 st. 595 ft. 1 Union Plaza, 32 St. and 18 York St. 37 St. 449 ft.
All those building you mention would not impact the skyline nearly as much as a when cityplace would when finihed because they are all located in the same place as our current tallest buildings Even if Bay-Adeliade was to become the tallest in the city you would bearly notice it in the core. Cityplace is already have a big impact on the skyline eventhough it's about 1/4 done
http://img219.exs.cx/img219/5679/1p92400396si.jpg
Roch5220 March 30th, 2005, 08:05 PM Granted, Condo's don't impact the skyline in the typical skyline photos where the CN tower shrinks everything, but from ground level, ^^^ pic as an example, it does make a big difference.
TORONTOCOPENHAGEN March 30th, 2005, 08:36 PM I'm so happy with the development that's going on in Toronto, but I truly agree, that we do need a few large office buildings.
Imagine how dense downtown will be if/when Trump Tower, Sapphire Tower and Bay Adelaide are complete. It must be one of the most dense downtown areas around.
Travis007 March 30th, 2005, 11:51 PM All those building you mention would not impact the skyline nearly as much as a when cityplace would when finihed because they are all located in the same place as our current tallest buildings Even if Bay-Adeliade was to become the tallest in the city you would bearly notice it in the core. Cityplace is already have a big impact on the skyline eventhough it's about 1/4 done
Your right bay-Adelaide would be barely noticeably in the core, along with Sapphire and Trump. They would all be 1000 footers (excluding BA) but they blend ij with the existing tall buildings. That's why IMO, Toronto should build more tall towers where Simcoe Place is in the skyline pic you shown. Even if that's not quite where the business core is.
BTW: Cityplace won't have the only buildings in that area to impact the skyline. The space between the WPC (38 st.) and Cityplace will be soon filled up with buildings around the 30 stories range with projects like Malibu (33), the large scale Fort York tower project (10 towers or more), Tip Top II( 37 st.), Waterparkcity (5 towers), and Cityplace 20 towers.
hkskyline March 30th, 2005, 11:56 PM 1 King West
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050326/RIMG0380.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050326/RIMG0389.jpg
doady March 31st, 2005, 12:04 AM Nothing is wrong with residential buildings. I love them. We are going through a mini-boom in residential highrises here in Atlanta right now. My only point is that the building boom in Toronto is in only one area
There is a building boom in North York and Mississauga as well.
Travis007 March 31st, 2005, 12:04 AM Great pics of a great buidling hkskyline!
I wonder how much better this building would look if the developer did not cheap out by making there more pre-cast than glass like the render of it showed.
Nick in Atlanta March 31st, 2005, 01:38 AM There is a building boom in North York and Mississauga as well.
When I said only one area, I meant one type of construction--residential. I wasn't talking about an area of town.
I've seen pics of North York's development, could someone post some pics of the development in Mississauga? :)
Victoria March 31st, 2005, 01:51 AM Toronto is really booming. :eek:
Skybean March 31st, 2005, 01:51 AM I've seen pics of North York's development, could someone post some pics of the development in Mississauga? :)
Some talls proposed for Mississauga
Amacon 1: 50s
Amacon 2: 45s
Amacon 3: 45s
Amacon 4: 40s
Amacon 5: 40s
Capital 3: 38s
Absolute3: 38s
Solstice 1: 38s
Solstice 2: 38s
Small area pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/yyzer/mar2918.jpg
Thank you yyzer from UT
Cityplace Toronto
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/istrian/CityPlace.jpg
Nick in Atlanta March 31st, 2005, 01:56 AM The development looks great!
G_DOG March 31st, 2005, 02:00 AM people want to live downtown thats for sure,office will be the next boom
G_DOG March 31st, 2005, 02:03 AM btw nick in atlanta, when was the last time you were in toronto and when do you plan to visit ?
Raza March 31st, 2005, 04:30 AM i love the sleek and shiny glass used in city towers. love to live there.
Raza March 31st, 2005, 04:31 AM btw, Mississauga is getting a totally new skyline, with 30 more scrapers planned.
Nick in Atlanta March 31st, 2005, 08:12 PM btw nick in atlanta, when was the last time you were in toronto and when do you plan to visit ?
Last time: Grandmother's funeral in 1999, followed by Grandfather's funeral in 2001.
Plan to visit again: I was closest with my Grandparent's and although I have other relatives there, I'm not that close to them. I'll probably come up for a wedding soon, and I'll get away for a few hours and take a rush tour of the waterfront, which I think has changed the most.
G_DOG April 2nd, 2005, 06:06 PM ^bring your camera !
p5archit April 4th, 2005, 02:18 PM dr.joe
that application for the +500 footer, actually looks pretty damned good- i like the idea of it cantilevering out over the other building-
just to add my two cents to this discussion..I honestly don't think it really makes a difference what kind of development is predominent, whether its office construction or residential- they both come in phases- we are not new york city or chicago and do not have the demand for both types of development simultaneously.
I would have to agree that, residential developments are a positive sign of life for a city-developments such as cityplace, however good in their intentions, will probably end up like towers in the park, unless more attention is paid to more integration of their projects-
p5
nukey April 4th, 2005, 03:50 PM Some of its quite nice but I much prefer the resi projects going up in the Uk
p5archit April 4th, 2005, 04:21 PM its not residential..? its an office building!
the residential development sector in toronto, is still learning how to use design as an advantage, rather than a disadvantage. In most cases, European developers- and probably UK developers are put under a lot of scrutiny when proposing a building- in a lot of cases, buildings are erected in Toronto, with little opposition or control from the city. Yet, this is getting better and the city is slowly starting to put its foot down- or so i have been told!
p5
ssiguy2 April 4th, 2005, 04:21 PM It would be great to see more dynamic tall office towers downtown. That said, I prefer residential highrises if they are the same height. Office towers look great but it is residential population and density that makes a dynamic city. Atlanta and Dallas are examples of skylines with no people.
lokinyc April 4th, 2005, 04:34 PM great list of projects. ssiguy2, intown Atlanta is now the fastest growing sector of the metro area. Thousands of new condos are under construction downtown alone.
\http://www.ajc.com/business/content/business/horizon/0305/04downtown.html
Nick in Atlanta April 4th, 2005, 08:58 PM It would be great to see more dynamic tall office towers downtown. That said, I prefer residential highrises if they are the same height. Office towers look great but it is residential population and density that makes a dynamic city. Atlanta and Dallas are examples of skylines with no people.
And I'm sure that you have visited Atlanta and seen this? Or are you just using a very old and outdated cliche?
andysimo123 April 4th, 2005, 10:43 PM BOOOOOOooooooooom
Mike in TO April 12th, 2005, 04:42 PM Travis007,
You mentioned "Tip Top II( 37 st.)" ... Unfortunately due to the planning dept refusal to grant anything even close to that height I have heard that Tip Top II isn't going to happen - another developer is investigating the possibillity of constructing much shorter mid rise structures in that location.
You are to blame April 12th, 2005, 04:54 PM new project announced today for downtown beside the CBC building
ritz-carlton 53 floors
http://www.ritzcarlton.com/resources/exteriorwest2.jpg
Roch5220 April 12th, 2005, 05:07 PM hoolly crap !!!!!!!
jonovision April 12th, 2005, 07:48 PM That looks awesome!!!!!!!!! :eek2: :cheers:
dtx03 April 12th, 2005, 08:14 PM Glad to see we're in the boom again.
Hopefully Toronto isn't left with stumpys like the bay/adelaide center.
BTW, does anyone have pics of North York's Yonge St. corridor. That area is booming.
I took a couple friends from outta town to that area a while back, and they asked if it was part of downtown T.O.
Sonic from Padova April 12th, 2005, 08:40 PM WOW!
You are to blame April 13th, 2005, 12:03 AM Glad to see we're in the boom again.
Hopefully Toronto isn't left with stumpys like the bay/adelaide center.
BTW, does anyone have pics of North York's Yonge St. corridor. That area is booming.
I took a couple friends from outta town to that area a while back, and they asked if it was part of downtown T.O.
man where were you for North York vs Mississauga, here are some pics from that thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=199627
http://img82.exs.cx/img82/6673/NorthYork.jpg
http://img132.exs.cx/img132/8269/P1000668.jpg
http://img97.exs.cx/img97/2601/2774967zv.jpg
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http://img222.exs.cx/img222/138/p13000150gf.jpg
http://img231.exs.cx/img231/7569/img81131sw.jpg
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/1279/Landing9.jpg
http://img166.exs.cx/img166/2018/express4014pq.jpg
Skybean April 13th, 2005, 12:49 AM NEW TERMINAL 1
The entire airport is being rebuilt part by part- UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/Aerial.jpg
http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/NewTerminal10.jpg
http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/NewTerminal5.jpg
http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/NewTerminal3.jpg
Royal Ontario Museum Expansion
UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/3309romdcp_0089__medium_.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/3309dcp_0080__medium_.jpg
Art Gallery of Ontario- Planned Expansion
http://www.ago.net/transformation/building-images/9.13.04/full2/north.jpg
Four Seasons Centre (Opera) UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507construction74.jpg
http://www.fda-online.com/projects/images/fscpa2_large.jpg
http://www.fda-online.com/projects/images/fscpa1_large.jpg
http://www.fda-online.com/projects/images/fscpa3_large.jpg
WaterFront
http://www.toronto.ca/harbourfront/images/basemap_1200.jpg
Cityplace CGI
20 Residential Towers
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/1484/cityplace5jx.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507toooa.jpg
HVE (Cityplace-492 ft. )- UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://img41.exs.cx/img41/4484/pc2603225nr.jpg
West One (Cityplace- 148m - Excavation)
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/west1_rendering.jpg
Canada Life Building UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507cl8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/GeekyBoyTO/20050408CanadaLife01.jpg
Residences of College Park North Tower (52 Stories / 154m) UNDERCONSTRUCTION
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/28toronto-residencesofcollegepark1.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507met4.jpg
One King (Nearing Completion-176m)
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507picture916.jpg
http://img82.exs.cx/img82/1351/toronto313rz.jpg
1 Bloor East- APPROVED (718 FT.)
http://www.urbancanada.ca/Renderings/28toronto-1blooreast03.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/28toronto-1blooreast02.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/28toronto-1blooreast01.jpg
Sapphire Tower (Now 340m+++) - Sales
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507sapphiretower.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507picture_720.jpg
TRUMP TOWER TORONTO (325m)
....Sales
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507night_shot_lights.jpg
151 Front St. W. (Office Tower) (167.5m)
18 Yorkville (107m)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/GeekyBoyTO/20050405aAYorkville01.jpg
Spire (U/C-145m, 45 floors)
http://www.context.ca/pages/images_large/spire_render2.jpg
AND NOW....
Ritz Carlton Toronto (53 floors- 200m+??)
http://www.ritzcarlton.com/resources/exteriorwest2.jpg
Skybean April 13th, 2005, 01:08 AM Quantom 118m by SOM Excavation
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/minto_midtown_quantum_01.jpg
One Pinnacle Centre 121m UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/pinnacle_rendering.jpg
Minto Midtown 160m Excavation
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/28toronto-mintomidtown06.jpg
The MET 126.5m APPROVED/ SALES
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507met.jpg
Murano Tower 1 and Tower 2 APPROVED/SALES
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507murano12.jpg
Festival Tower 157m APPROVED
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/tiff_rendering.jpg
FK April 13th, 2005, 06:04 AM http://img115.echo.cx/img115/1484/cityplace5jx.jpg
^ Cant wait to see Toronto look like that !!
It'll be awesome in the next 5-10 years :D
Chad April 13th, 2005, 06:45 AM NEW TERMINAL 1
The entire airport is being rebuilt part by part- UNDER CONSTRUCTION
What u mean.."rebuilt"., like a major renovation?
Skybean April 13th, 2005, 06:59 AM What u mean.."rebuilt"., like a major renovation?
Dismantling terminals and rebuilding new terminals. 2 of 3 terminals will eventually be rebuilt.
neilio April 13th, 2005, 08:29 AM new project announced today for downtown beside the CBC building
ritz-carlton 53 floors
http://www.ritzcarlton.com/resources/exteriorwest2.jpg
I must find out more about this building it looks frigan amazing! I get turned on just looking at the thing, i hope it gets built (and over 200m) :eek2:
lokinyc April 13th, 2005, 06:41 PM I like the Ritz a lot. The Murano towers bug me though because they look like blatant copies of Richard Meier's Perry Street towers.
Roch5220 April 13th, 2005, 07:10 PM Ah Murano. Though it maybe a knock off, it looks great (compared to the ugly Chrysler building knock-offs) and is a big improvement to what currently exists along that strip of Bay st.
elliot April 13th, 2005, 08:43 PM great post PicHunter.
clam_dude April 13th, 2005, 09:02 PM What's the deal with the ritz? I haven't heard of that one before. Are they actually building it? And if so, where? It would be awesome to get a building like that.
Skybean April 14th, 2005, 12:27 AM The Ritz Carlton Toronto
http://www.inclearimage.com/buildto/ritz1.jpg
Zoso_69 April 14th, 2005, 03:02 AM Awesome Pic....where did you get that Skybean?
Skybean April 14th, 2005, 03:15 AM I had originally posted up my own version from a patched up picture comprised of 3 different screenshots of the picture of the Ritz from the Star. But someone from UrbanToronto posted a better copy so I just posted it here.
Travis007 April 14th, 2005, 03:39 AM Awesome Posts Skybean!
You could also of added:
590 Jarvis 45 St. 487 ft. Proposed
http://www.imagehosting.us/imagehosting/showimg.jpg/?id=359220
West Harbour City 36 St. Sales/Approved
http://img162.exs.cx/img162/1807/pict11250rd.jpg
The Uptown Residences 48 St. 484 ft. Sales/Approved
http://img174.exs.cx/img174/3343/pict11241yz.jpg
Pinnacle Centre Tower B 30 St. Approved
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507pinnacle.jpg
N1, 40 St. Approved/Sales
http://img230.exs.cx/img230/6862/n10zj.jpg
Verve, 43 St. Approved/Sales
London Condos, 30 St. Sales/Approved
etc. etc.
KGB April 14th, 2005, 04:34 AM "The Murano towers bug me though because they look like blatant copies of Richard Meier's Perry Street towers."
What??? I think the Perry Street Towers are great, but they are nothing like Murano at all. If anything, Murano is very much like Spire....flat, full-glass skined buildings. Meier's towers and Murano have a similarity in that they both borrow heavily from early modern aestetics...but this is going on all over. And Murano is 40 story condos on Bay Street for $150k USD...not 16 storey buildings in the Village for people like Calvin Klein and his $14 million apartment (doesn't Meier live there himself? ).
Perry Street
http://www.galinsky.com/buildings/perrystreet/meier1.jpg
http://www.galinsky.com/buildings/perrystreet/meier2.jpg
http://www.galinsky.com/buildings/perrystreet/meier4.jpg
KGB
Tonka Truck April 14th, 2005, 05:54 AM Wow! :eek2: That's what I call a CITY! Thanks!
Smartboy April 14th, 2005, 06:01 AM http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/Aerial.jpg
Where is it? Is that a parking among the roads? :eek2:
Zoso_69 April 14th, 2005, 06:22 AM I've noticed that in the pictures of Toronto's future skyline (below) with the cityplace project complete, that the highest tower is about as tall (maybe taller) as the Scotia building itself. Are these accurate measurments??? I'm almost positive they're not but I haven't really known for certain. It'd be kick ass if they are though. Anyways, does anyone know the actually height of the tallest tower in the CityPlace project? It could be in the thread but I'm not shure... :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: ===B.T.W. Scotia's 275 M, 902Ft and 68 Floors===
Future Skyline
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Zoso_69/CityPlace.jpg
KGB April 14th, 2005, 06:30 AM The Signature tower at Cityplace will be about 713 feet as per the current design. The reason it looks taller from that location, is that it's closer in the foreground than The MINT towers at King & Bay. It's about the same distance from the CN Tower...so draw a straight line over to it, and the scale should be about right.
KGB
heavyzakura334 April 14th, 2005, 06:34 AM Congrats people of Toronto, I love these kinds of threads. I am glad to see development around the world. I am also excited about the growth taking place in Mexico's second city: Guadalajara. We didnt have good skyscrapers for a while, but now there is a boom to build and it looks like we ill be getting some interesting buildings. Here is one:http://img91.exs.cx/img91/456/lifereef060lc.jpg and just to tease you more, here is another one:http://www.iespana.es/geo-skyscrapers/rascacielos/gdl/fotos/jvc/Centro-Comercial.jpg hope you visit our theread bout growth:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=170758&page=4&pp=20
Zoso_69 April 14th, 2005, 06:35 AM The Signature tower at Cityplace will be about 713 feet as per the current design. The reason it looks taller from that location, is that it's closer in the foreground than The MINT towers at King & Bay. It's about the same distance from the CN Tower...so draw a straight line over to it, and the scale should be about right.KGB
:weirdo: :) :jk:
Weird, the line thing works...Thx KGB. It's still tall enough for me, can't wait till it's finished... :eek2:
FK April 14th, 2005, 06:40 AM Toronto's gonna look great in a few years :D
!!
Zoso_69 April 14th, 2005, 06:41 AM I'm starting to love the city more everyday....:)
That means i probably would've hated it back in the 50's....I just found this pic and I think its really depressing
The C.N. Before its Glory :runaway:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Zoso_69/cntower_unfinished.jpg
DrJoe April 14th, 2005, 06:47 AM http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/Aerial.jpg
Where is it? Is that a parking among the roads? :eek2:
Well that would be the airport. And yes it is a gigantic parking lot, amongst a nest of roads.
Zoso_69 April 14th, 2005, 06:49 AM When Is The New Terminal In Use or Is It Already???
KGB April 14th, 2005, 07:24 AM A couple of really nice buildings that will probably turn out much nicer than anticipated, are two side-by-side buildings at UofT (along College St).
The Leslie Dan Pharmacy building by Foster looks deceivingly boring in this render...but the real thing is much nicer...it's completion has been delayed for 3 months due to engineering complications...but you can already see it emerging....the upper facade is not as boring as it looks...the non-window parts are not plain glass....and the 5 storey atrium has two oval "pods" suspended from the ceiling...they are actually lecture halls for 60 and 80 students.
http://www.greatspaces.utoronto.ca/images/pharmacy1.jpg
Another cool building is going up right beside it...the Centre for Cellular and Biomolecular Research, by Benisch, Benisch & Partners.
http://www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/architecture/faculty_projects/terri/sustain_casestudies/ccbr/EastFacade2.jpg
http://www.fes.uwaterloo.ca/architecture/faculty_projects/terri/sustain_casestudies/ccbr/WestFacade2.jpg
Another new complex at the same intersection is the Mars Discovery building....the new buildings are fine...if a bit subdued...but it's the rather imposing old structure in the middle that will be reborn, and the combination will look quite spectacular. The old building was almost invisable before, hidden behind scraggly old trees, and looking pretty dowdy...I think people are going to be pretty impressed with this new complex.
http://www.sotawall.com/proj_detail/CAN_MaRS_01_lg.jpg
University and College is going to be a pretty impressive architectual focal point when these projects are completed.
KGB
cassius April 14th, 2005, 04:02 PM I've noticed that in the pictures of Toronto's future skyline (below) with the cityplace project complete, that the highest tower is about as tall (maybe taller) as the Scotia building itself. Are these accurate measurments??? I'm almost positive they're not but I haven't really known for certain. It'd be kick ass if they are though. Anyways, does anyone know the actually height of the tallest tower in the CityPlace project? It could be in the thread but I'm not shure... :sleepy: :sleepy: :sleepy: ===B.T.W. Scotia's 275 M, 902Ft and 68 Floors===
Future Skyline
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Zoso_69/CityPlace.jpg
This isn't an official CityPlace rendering either. I did this one a while back but tried to keep heights as accurate as possible. Designs of the buildings themselves aren't accurate.
G_DOG April 14th, 2005, 06:02 PM Congrats people of Toronto, I love these kinds of threads. I am glad to see development around the world. I am also excited about the growth taking place in Mexico's second city: Guadalajara. We didnt have good skyscrapers for a while, but now there is a boom to build and it looks like we ill be getting some interesting buildings. Here is one:http://img91.exs.cx/img91/456/lifereef060lc.jpg and just to tease you more, here is another one:http://www.iespana.es/geo-skyscrapers/rascacielos/gdl/fotos/jvc/Centro-Comercial.jpg hope you visit our theread bout growth:http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=170758&page=4&pp=20
do they call it the chia pet building ! :)
Rockefeller April 15th, 2005, 09:34 AM When Is The New Terminal In Use or Is It Already???
The new Terminal 1 has been operational for a little more than a year now.
ssiguy2 April 15th, 2005, 07:20 PM Thanks for the pic of future Trana but it will certainly be better than that. That photo only takes ito account building ready to go or under construction.
Look at just 2 days ago when they announced the 53story Ritz-Carleton basically across from the CBC.
You are to blame April 15th, 2005, 08:15 PM here is a better more encompasson image showing more project of the future toronto also done by cassius
http://www.adamwillson.com/cassiusadams/Toronto2015/Cassius.Adams.com.Toronto.Skyline.2015.Full.jpg
Most of the buildings to the left aren't built yet and this doesn't show the ritz, which will nicely fill in the gap between the cn tower and the CBD
Zoso_69 April 15th, 2005, 10:02 PM Thats Amazing..... :eek2: That Could Compete With Chicago.......................maybe :)
Roch5220 April 15th, 2005, 10:51 PM Not quite. The buildings are way too short still.
KGB April 15th, 2005, 11:15 PM That last pano is nice....be great if someone could add Ritz in between CN Tower and Simcoe Place, seeing as se have a render. The eastern harbourfront will also be getting some towers along Queen's Quay West as well...no design as of yet of course...but the city had been talking about some sizable density on the north side of the street, including a major eastern skyline focal point.
KGB
416 April 15th, 2005, 11:49 PM That looks awesome!
I think you also add Bay/Adelaide Centre. From that angle, it would be clearly visible behind Trump (assuming the bloody thing gets built by 2015!)
Here are a couple more that I didn't see
SAS headquarters - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507sas.jpg
Ryerson School of Business - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507ry.jpg
Stern's One St.Thomas - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507a01028.jpg
22 Wellesley - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/250722.jpg
The Royal Conservatory of Music expansion - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507music.jpg
The Hazelton - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507hazelton.jpg
Malibu - U/C (any friggin day now!)
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507mibu.jpg
Skybean April 16th, 2005, 01:06 AM RadioCity - U/C
http://www.context.ca/pages/images_large/rcity_ext1.jpg
West Harbour City
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507pic952.jpg
London
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507esplanade.jpg
Spire (2nd Rendering) - U/C
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507spire_render1.jpg
MIMICA April 17th, 2005, 05:34 AM Good for Toronto. I have an internet friend from Toronto, and he always shows me pictures of his beautiful neighborhood in Toronto, it's very nice! :yes:
Bond James Bond April 17th, 2005, 05:42 AM Wow, great stuff! I wish Seattle could have a boom like that!
ssiguy2 April 17th, 2005, 06:48 PM I wish Vancouver had a future like that. Everything in Vancouver is blue or green and they are all just 30stories...........very uninteresting.
Canuck April 18th, 2005, 08:16 PM Hey all, this is a list I compiled over at UrbanToronto and have already posted in the Toronto section, but I'll share it here too. Enjoy.
The list is for buildings greater than 400 feet, or 40 floors or more when height is unknown.
Built
Building Under Construction
Residential &/or Hotel Tower In Sales
Proposed Residential &/or Hotel Tower
Office Tower Proposal
Sapphire Tower - 1,118 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors
Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors
First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors
Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors
Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors
Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
Simcoe Place II [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
Bay-Adelaide Centre - 679 ft. 45 Floors
BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors
Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 570 ft. 52 floors
151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
The Pointe @ Minto Midtown [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors
The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
590 Jarvis - 487 ft. 45 floors
Simcoe Place/Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
33 Charles St. East - 453 ft. 43 floors
Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors
Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
1 Union Plaza - HEIGHT NEEDED 32 floors
Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
Verve - 433 ft. 43 floors
Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors
The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 415 ft. 43 floors
Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors
Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors
Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
SUB-LISTS
Built
1) First Canadian Place - 978 ft. 72 floors
2) Scotia Plaza - 902 ft. 68 floors
3) Canada Trust Tower [BCE Place] - 856 ft. 53 floors
4) Commerce Court West [Commerce Court] - 784 ft. 57 floors
5) Toronto Dominion Bank Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 731 ft. 56 floors
6) Bay Wellington Tower [BCE Place] - 679 ft. 49 floors
7) Royal Trust Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 600 ft. 46 floors
8) Royal Bank Plaza South [Royal Bank Plaza] - 591 ft. 40 floors
9) 44 Charles Street West [Manulife Centre] - 545 ft. 51 floors
10) 79 Wellington Street West [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 504 ft. 39 floors
11) Exchange Tower - 502 ft. 36 floors
12) The 250 [Eaton Centre] - 494 ft. 35 floors
13) Two Bloor West - 488 ft. 34 floors
14) Bank of America Tower [Simcoe Place] - 486 ft. 33 floors
15) Commerce Court North [Commerce Court] - 476 ft. 34 floors
16) Simpson Tower - 472 ft. 33 floors
17) Cadillac Fairview Tower [Eaton Centre] - 466 ft. 36 floors
18) Pantages Tower [Pantages Place] - 458 ft. 46 floors
19) Palace Place [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
20) Palace Pier [The Palace Pier] - 453 ft. 46 floors
21) Continental Bank of Canada Building [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 449 ft. 33 floors
22) Sheraton Centre Hotel [Sheraton Centre] - 443 ft. 43 floors
23) Two Bloor East [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 439 ft. 34 floors
24) Ernst & Young Tower [Toronto-Dominion Centre] - 437 ft. 31 floors
25) One Financial Place - 424 ft. 31 floors
26) Leaside Towers II [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
27) Leaside Towers I [Leaside Towers] - 423 ft. 44 floors
28) Canadian Pacific Tower [Toronto Dominion Centre] - 420 ft. 32 floors
29) Metro Hall West [Metro Hall] - 420 ft. 27 floors
30) Marriott Hotel/Plaza 2 Apartments [Hudson's Bay Centre] - 415 ft. 41 floors
31) Sun Life Centre East Tower [Sun Life Centre] - 410 ft. 28 floors
32) Yonge Eglinton Centre I [Yonge Eglinton Centre] - 408 ft. 30 floors
33) Royal York Hotel - 407 ft. 28 floors
34) Number One York Quay South Tower [Harbour Square] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Buildings Under Construction
1) 1 King West - 578 ft. 51 floors
2) College Park Tower I [RoCP] - 505 ft. 52 floors
3) Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. - 49 floors
4) West ONE [CityPlace] - 484 ft. 49 floors
5) Spire - 476 ft. 45 floors
6) Empire Tower [NY Towers] - 427 ft. 28 floors
7) Harbour View Estates I [CityPlace] - HEIGHT NEEDED 40 floors
Residential &/or Hotel Towers In Sales
1) Sapphire Tower - 1,118 ft spire (1,030 ft. roof) 88 floors
2) Trump International - 1,064 ft. spire (988 ft. roof) 70 floors
3) The Uptown Residences - 518 ft. 48 floors
4) Murano Tower I [The Murano] - 459 ft. 41 floors
5) College Park Tower II [RoCP] - HEIGHT NEEDED - 45 floors
6) Verve - 433 ft. 43 floors
7) The MET Phase I [The Met Condos] - 415 ft. 43 floors
8) N1 [CityPlace] - 410 ft. 42 floors
Proposed Residential &/or Hotel Towers
1) Ritz Carlton Hotel [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 53 floors
2) 1 Bloor East - 718 ft. 60 floors
3) Signature Tower [CityPlace] - 714 ft. 69 floors
4) City Centre Tower [Hummingbird Centre] - 619 ft. 50 floors
5) MLSE Tower I [MLSE Complex] - 570 ft. 52 floors
6) The Pointe @ Minto Midtown [Minto Midtown] - 525 ft. 52 floors
7) One City Hall Phase II [One City Hall Condominiums]- HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
8) MLSE Tower II [MLSE Complex] - HEIGHT NEEDED 48 floors
9) Festival Tower - 514 ft. 42 floors
10) 590 Jarvis - 487 ft. 45 floors
11) Parkway Forest I [Parkway Forest] - 479 ft. 48 floors
12) 33 Charles St. East - 453 ft. 43 floors
13) Pinnacle Building C [Pinnacle Centre] - 449 ft. 46 floors
14) Parkway Forest II [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
15) Parkway Forest IV [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
16) Parkway Forest V [Parkway Forest] - 420 ft. 42 floors
Office Tower Proposals
1) Simcoe Place II [Simcoe Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 50 floors
2) Bay-Adelaide Centre - 679 ft. 45 Floors
3) BCE III [BCE Place] - HEIGHT NEEDED 49 floors
4) Richmond-Adelaide Centre [Richmond-Adelaide Centre] - 595 ft. 41 floors
5) 151 Front Street West - 549 ft. 36 floors
6) 18 York Street - 449 ft. 37 floors
7) 1 Union Plaza - HEIGHT NEEDED 32 floors
TOTALS
Built - 34
Buildings Under Construction - 7
Residential &/or Hotel Towers In Sales - 8
Proposed Residential &/or Hotel Towers - 16
Office Tower Proposals - 7
If anything is out of date or needs updating, let me know and I'll fix it up.
Skybean April 19th, 2005, 02:53 AM Add another to that list^
JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY!!
Mixed Use 166m + 8m Roof Element= 174m
http://www.myfilehut.com/userfiles/tissot/MLS-1.jpg?PHPSESSID=76de22cb81c9fc7346a4ebeedfb17e79
Thank you Tissot via Urban Toronto
From the Globe:
MLSE teams on proposed real estate project.
Site said to include hotel, offices, mall
By ELIZABETH CHURCH
Monday, April 18, 2005 Page B5
REAL ESTATE REPORTER
Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd. is teaming up with two veteran real estate companies in a proposed new retail and commercial development next to Toronto's Air Canada Centre, industry sources say.
The new project, to be announced tomorrow by the partners, will include a shopping concourse that individuals familiar with the project describe as a "destination site." The multileveled retail space will feature a special sports-themed venue that will centre on MLSE's two professional franchises, the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Toronto Raptors.
Cadillac Fairview Corp. Ltd., the commercial real estate arm of the giant Ontario Teachers Pension Plan, is involved in the retail portion of the joint venture. The lead developer on the project is Lanterra Developments, an arm of Toronto-based H&R Developments Corp., individuals familiar with the project said.
The site for the proposed project is just west of the Air Canada Centre on the vacant lot south of Bremner Boulevard that fronts on York Street. It is bounded by Lake Shore Boulevard to the south. An application for rezoning and an official plan amendment has been filed with the City of Toronto for the site.
Plans for the project include a boutique hotel, office space, condominiums and a daycare centre, as well as the multileveled mall, industry sources say.
A spokesman for Cadillac Fairview confirmed that the proposed development will be announced at a special event tomorrow, but would not provide further details.
Tomorrow's announcement will be the second kickoff of a commercial project in downtown Toronto in as many weeks. Ritz-Carlton Hotel Co. and Graywood Developments Ltd., announced plans last week for a $300-million, 53-storey tower on the south side of Wellington Street, between Simcoe and John Streets.
Cadillac Fairview also has links to that project. The firm owns the site to the east of the proposed hotel where it hopes to one day build a 50-storey office tower and is considering a stake in the hotel project.
Falling vacancy rates and rising investor interest in commercial real estate have a number of developers jockeying to build mixed use or office projects in Toronto's core.
clam_dude April 19th, 2005, 03:34 AM it would be pretty swigity sweet to get a 174 m tower next to the air Canada center, considering the lack of buildings in the area. It would really help to spread the tall, noticable buildings away from the main cluster. How would this compare to HVE1, and HVE2?
Canuck April 19th, 2005, 03:38 AM It would be taller than both towers. HVE II is just over 500 feet while HVE I is approx 400 ft.
Travis007 April 19th, 2005, 03:39 AM it would be pretty swigity sweet to get a 174 m tower next to the air Canada center, considering the lack of buildings in the area. It would really help to spread the tall, noticable buildings away from the main cluster. How would this compare to HVE1, and HVE2?
Well there really isn't any buildings at all at this moment in the lands between the CN Tower and the ACC just a few vacant lots that will soon be filled in the future. But in a few years there will be a major change in that area with the Infinity condo (35 and 16 s U/C), the newly announced MLSE proposal, 4 Pinnacle centre condo towers (45, 41, 37 U/C, 30s) and 18 Yonge(39 s U/C).
If these towers are to be 500 ft + than they will be taller than both HVE towers (49 and 41s) and will be wider and taller due to the fact that they office/hotel towers.
cassius April 20th, 2005, 12:08 AM I'm pretty sure that HVEII is a tiny bit over 500 feet. Either way, MLSE will be significantly taller than that if it's 174 metres.
canada_habs2004 April 20th, 2005, 12:29 AM http://img248.echo.cx/img248/2890/tofuture25ww.jpg
picture of Toronto in 2010
elliot April 20th, 2005, 12:57 AM Please stop posting that "bastardized" rendering.
It's a rip off of a future rendering done by an acquaintenance, that a "Punk" ripped off and changed... including ridiculous things like putting a Skypage Signature at Yonge and Bloor among other stupid things. Both the "future" elements of the original, and the actual base photograph belong to this individual.
Grey Towers April 20th, 2005, 09:19 PM Scotia Plaza is actually more like 905 ft., not 972.
Nihilist April 20th, 2005, 10:42 PM Has this rendering of Maple Leaf Square been posted yet? I can't be bothered to look... The rendering is pretty basic... I really hope they turn the Union Plaza site into a square as indicated in the rendering. However, I thought some developer from Chicago owned the vacant lot that was supposed to be for Union Plaza?
http://www.nba.com/media/raptors/mlsquare_500.jpg
Skybean April 20th, 2005, 11:47 PM OMG!!! Amazing! Looks incredible!
G_DOG April 21st, 2005, 12:45 AM the taller is 174 meters and the other is not much shorter=two 500 ftrs
Skybean April 21st, 2005, 01:17 AM Lester B. Pearson International- UNDER CONSTRUCTION
http://images.toronto.com/feature/324/Aerial-All-Green.jpg
http://www.gtaa.com/Images/TerminalNewGallery/images/NewTerminal10.jpg
Skybean April 23rd, 2005, 02:30 AM From April 19th, 2005
Building the Burj Toronto.. No wait.. it's the terminal.
http://photos8.flickr.com/10056882_2a6937f485_b.jpg
http://photos6.flickr.com/10056927_b3be7f4082_b.jpg
http://photos6.flickr.com/10056829_2e400729c1_b.jpg
SUPRARZPOWER April 23rd, 2005, 03:19 AM Jeez,
What a constuction boom
You lucky sons of b%$^#
Travis007 April 23rd, 2005, 03:49 AM I have a question for you Skybean, which terminal is currently U/C in those pics?
Skybean April 23rd, 2005, 03:50 AM I have a question for you Skybean, which terminal is currently U/C in those pics?
Terminal 1... it's the huge F pier. Only a portion of Terminal 1 is open right now.. the rest is under construction. If you take international flights, you still need to be bused to a mid field terminal cause this pier is getting built. Terminal 1 is going to be much much larger than it currently is.
Rockefeller April 23rd, 2005, 11:20 PM Terminal 1... it's the huge F pier. Only a portion of Terminal 1 is open right now.. the rest is under construction. If you take international flights, you still need to be bused to a mid field terminal cause this pier is getting built. Terminal 1 is going to be much much larger than it currently is.
Two piers are currently in operation. Piers D and E. The large section 'hammerhead' at the end of pier F will be the permanent home of International flights when that massive pier is finished. Fortunately, you may see some International flights moving to the south side of pier E come the end of the year as more gates become available at that pier. This to reduce the dependancy of the Infield Holdroom Terminal (IHT).
rise_against April 26th, 2005, 04:01 AM is there any other city in NA close to this amount od future development?
tibor420 April 26th, 2005, 06:01 AM every time i enter the city theres like 10 new cranes in the skyline. i love it !!!!
Canuck April 26th, 2005, 03:45 PM is there any other city in NA close to this amount od future development?
Oh yes, Chicago and New York immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are at least a couple others (possibly Miami).
Zoso_69 April 27th, 2005, 02:56 AM I checked out New york's Construction status and I found this at wirednewyork.com
It said this was New York's "New Construction" list so I dont now how accurate it is. It could be the stats for the passed year or maybe it's all of New Yorks construction plan...If it is everything then it sure dosen't compare to Toronto's Construction stats.
New York's: "New Construction" list...
Most Exciting Projects
* Freedom Tower (2005)
* Hearst Magazine Building (2006)
* Bloomberg Tower (2004)
* New York Times Tower (2006)
* One Bryant Park (Bank of America Tower) (2006)
* 7 WTC (2004)
Tallest Proposed/Under Construction
* Freedom Tower (1776 ft)
* One Bryant Park (Bank of America Tower) (960 ft)
* New York Times Tower (853 ft/1142 ft spire)
* Bloomberg Tower (868 ft)
* 7 WTC (750 ft)
* Times Square Tower (7 Times Square) (724 ft)
* Hearst Magazine Building (596 ft)
* 10 Barclay Street (800 ft?)
* Beekman Street Tower
Currently under Construction
* New York Times Tower (2006)
* Bloomberg Tower (2004)
* One Beacon Court (2004)
* 7 WTC
* Hearst Magazine Building (2006)
* One Bryant Park (Bank of America Tower) (2006)
* 165 Charles Street (2005)
* 163 Charles Street
* 10 Barclay Street (2005)
* 15 William Street (2005)
* InterActiveCorp Headquarters (2006)
* 505 Fifth Avenue (2005)
* The Heritage at Trump Place (240 Riverside Boulevard) (2004)
* The Greenwich Street Project (497 Greenwich Street) (2004)
* 505 Greenwich Street (2004)
* River Lofts (2004)
* The Helena (2004)
* 995 Third Avenue
* Hampton Inn Herald Square (2004)
* Atlantic Terminal
* Vesta 24 (2005)
* 48 Laight Street
* Soho 25
* Strivers Gardens
* The Hubert
* The Paradigm
* The Metropolitan
* The Milan (2005)
* Madison Plaza
* 1400 on Fifth
* 325 Fifth Avenue (2006)
* Astor Place (2005)
* Orion (2005)
* Chelsea Club (2005)
* 195 Bowery Street (2005)
* 37 ARTS - Baryshnikov Arts Center (2005)
* West 58 (2005)
* Lumiere (2005)
* Gateway Condominiums (2005)
* Harlem Horizon (2005)
* 1600 Broadway (2006)
* Mayflower Hotel Site (2007)
* Standard Hotel
* Downtown Hotel (2005)
* 40 Mercer
* Hudson Blue
Proposed
* Olympic Village
* New York Sports and Convention Center
* Beekman Street Tower
* 80 South Street
* Times Square Plaza (11 Times Square)
* Con Ed site
* 270 Greenwich Street
* Riverview Apartments
* Pennsylvania Hotel Tower
* The New Penn Station (Daniel Patrick Moynihan Station)
* Site 5C in Tribeca
* Brooklyn Children’s Museum
* Bronx Criminal Court Complex
* Brooklyn Marriott addition (345 Adams St)
* 1 New York Place
* 2 Gold Street
* 10 Liberty Street
* Gallery at Metrotech Tower
* Light Bridges
* Roosevelt Hotel site
* 2 Columbus Circle
* 310 W 52nd Street
* NY CyberCenter
* The Park Avenue Atrium
Recently completed
* MoMA expansion (2004)
* Times Square Tower (7 Times Square) (2004)
* Time Warner Center (2004)
* Park Avenue Place (2004)
* Milan (2004)
* The Joan Weill Center for Dance for the Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater (2004)
* Morton Square (2004)
* Rivington Hotel (2004)
* Marc (2004)
* The Solaire (20 River Terrace)
* 300 Madison/CIBC World Markets
* 425 Fifth Avenue (2004)
* Perry West (173/176 Perry Street) (2004)
* Hotel Gansevoort (2003)
* Nicole (2003)
* The Porter House (2003)
* 455 Central Park West
Roch5220 April 27th, 2005, 02:59 AM One Beacon Court is the best. Though, units start I believe at 5 million.
KGB April 27th, 2005, 03:52 AM Man...NYC just keeps building hotel after hotel...and the fuking rates never go down!! LOL
Toronto's selling a ton more condos though.
KGB
Skybean April 27th, 2005, 04:05 AM Harbour View Estates II [CityPlace] - 503 ft. 49 floors
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507picture216.jpg
Delirium
Zoso_69 April 27th, 2005, 04:14 AM CityPlace Is gunna skyrocket Toronto's popularity...
tibor420 April 27th, 2005, 09:24 PM i keep hearing about cityplace, is that the downtown area where the golf course and driving range used to be?
Skybean April 27th, 2005, 10:12 PM i keep hearing about cityplace, is that the downtown area where the golf course and driving range used to be?
Yes it is. The golf course is no more!
The finished product:
http://img187.echo.cx/img187/2518/cityplace5ux.jpg
www.cityplace.ca (for day-night time lapse)
partybits April 29th, 2005, 05:24 AM Wow, love this thread, just found it today. Think I've learned more about the condo boom here than all the other websites combined!
Anyways, anyone know the status of 1 Bloor East. I love the design of that building, but it does'nt look like it going to get built?
Zoso_69 April 29th, 2005, 06:55 AM Ya....there hasn't been any talk about the start of construction date, but it is definetly approved and the link below gives all the details. Also I don't think it will be cancelled. Im sure they're going to deffiently start building by fall this year. Very cool building I agree...
- The proposal calls for a semi-transparent metal and glass oval tower, using advanced "green" environmentally efficient technology. At 202 M/ 663 Ft. and 57 Floors.
Details...Click (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=147938)
...
Sorry if u can't see this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Zoso_69/85Bloor.jpg
lokinyc April 29th, 2005, 08:24 PM Hate to burst your bubble guys but Vegas currently has 40,000 condos under construction and Miami a whopping 69,000 versus Toronto's 25,000.
From USAToday:
Today, an estimated 50 major condo projects are proposed or under construction within 50 city blocks in Miami on or near Biscayne Bay. There are so many gaping holes in the ground — where old buildings have been razed and new ones are planned — that downtown looks as if it has been bombed. A remarkable 69,000 condo units are currently in the permit pipeline or are newly built and for sale citywide. By comparison, Las Vegas — perennially among the USA's hottest housing markets — issued permits for 40,000 units of all types of housing last year.
CrazyCanuck April 29th, 2005, 08:30 PM What bubble? We just said were booming, not that we had the biggest boom going on, thtis has already been discussed.
Canuck April 29th, 2005, 08:48 PM Ehhh...
U/C is not the same as "in the pipeline:
Hate to burst your bubble guys but Vegas currently has 40,000 condos under construction and Miami a whopping 69,000 versus Toronto's 25,000.
From USAToday:
Today, an estimated 50 major condo projects are proposed or under construction within 50 city blocks in Miami on or near Biscayne Bay. There are so many gaping holes in the ground — where old buildings have been razed and new ones are planned — that downtown looks as if it has been bombed. A remarkable 69,000 condo units are currently in the permit pipeline or are newly built and for sale citywide. By comparison, Las Vegas — perennially among the USA's hottest housing markets — issued permits for 40,000 units of all types of housing last year.
Your numbers are meaningless without more context.
Toronto figures frequently tote 100,000 units in the pipeline, but if we're to rank cities we have to have to compare on a level playing field (as in what we're counting - u/c, newly built, approved, proposed, some combo of those).
Also, it doesn't look like the Miami numbers are for the city as a whole.
Meh, I really have no interest in determining if Toronto is the #1 condo champion of N.A., just pointing out your logical flaw.
Metroland April 29th, 2005, 11:02 PM ^ Yeah, I heard that there are 42,000 housing units slated for JUST along the waterfront area. I'm not too sure how many units are being built inland but from my deduction.... I believe that number is in the 10's of thousands.
Just wanted to add that.
cncity April 29th, 2005, 11:29 PM y dont they build atleast a 400m+ tower in toronto. when every1 around the world is busy constructing 600-700m+ towers...in toronto the tallest buildings still stuck at around 325m ... which maybe be ready by 2009..long time...is there any kinda restriction for supertalls in Toronto ?? both trump towre and sapphire tower. are competing in the same height bracket..when they could easily build real supertalls...????
KGB April 29th, 2005, 11:45 PM Yea...isn't the "pipeline" figure for Toronto 140,000 units?
Toronto's been selling like 40,000 units every year now for a while. And I'm sure US figures are for these massive "metros".
And I differentiate between inner-city highrise and suburban single detached housing.
25,000 would be an at-any-given-time figure just for recently constructed, u/c or in sales project JUST IN DOWNTOWN.
KGB
416 April 29th, 2005, 11:47 PM "every1 around the world is busy constructing 600-700m+ towers"
Really. Everyone? Name me some of the places. I'd love to hear it.
neilio April 30th, 2005, 12:52 AM i think a 400 m skyscraper in toronto would be awsome "is there any kinda restriction for supertalls in Toronto" lol NNOOO otherwise they wouldnt have built the CN tower or First Canadian place which was a really big building when it was built in the 70's...the problem is not restrictions, the problem is that, well what are you gonna d with such a huge building it would take so long to get all the Offices and condos in it sold if it were a mixed use building, it simply wouldnt be very practical, take away trump and saphire then yes it becomes practical but id much rather have a 1100 and a 1060 foot then one 1300-1500 foot building IMO
partybits April 30th, 2005, 01:11 AM Ya....there hasn't been any talk about the start of construction date, but it is definetly approved and the link below gives all the details. Also I don't think it will be cancelled. Im sure they're going to deffiently start building by fall this year. Very cool building I agree...
- The proposal calls for a semi-transparent metal and glass oval tower, using advanced "green" environmentally efficient technology. At 202 M/ 663 Ft. and 57 Floors.
Details...Click (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=147938)
...
Sorry if u can't see this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/Zoso_69/85Bloor.jpg
Thanks Zozo 69. That's where I found out about 1 Bloor East in the first place. Last I heard was in a "Now" paper article back in March 2005. Does'nt provide any useful new information but at least the project is alive and kicking. Man I hope they build it though.
http://www.nowtoronto.com/issues/2005-03-03/news_story3.php
On a separate note, for those who posted images of the skylines in the future with the additional buildings....wow!!! Where did you find those from?
Skybean April 30th, 2005, 01:15 AM ^Some of the Toronto forumers make them.
elliot April 30th, 2005, 01:27 AM I can only wish Vegas and Miami well.
Perhaps with all these condos, they will start building density.... on more than one street.
hkskyline May 2nd, 2005, 05:35 AM 18 Yorkville in March
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/asiaglobe/toronto/RIMG0001.jpg
hkskyline May 2nd, 2005, 05:37 AM Pearson Terminal 1 on April 13, 2005
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA002.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA003.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA004.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA005.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA009.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA010.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA014.jpg
http://www.globalphotos.org/toronto/20050413/YYZ-FRA023.jpg
gurukool May 2nd, 2005, 09:59 AM what is driving the TO boom?
know nothing about economics
but NEED is the word
Chad May 2nd, 2005, 12:36 PM Whast this?
http://www.canadianarchitect.com/common_scripts/xtq_images/99869-41912.jpg
Twin condominium towers proposed for mid-town Toronto refer to the skyscraper designs of Raymond Hood.
Skopie May 2nd, 2005, 11:14 PM y dont they build atleast a 400m+ tower in toronto. when every1 around the world is busy constructing 600-700m+ towers...in toronto the tallest buildings still stuck at around 325m ... which maybe be ready by 2009..long time...is there any kinda restriction for supertalls in Toronto ?? both trump towre and sapphire tower. are competing in the same height bracket..when they could easily build real supertalls...????
Nearly all the countries building 600-700m buildings are developing countries trying to show off. Developed countries know that buildings over 400m never realy make economic sense.
G_DOG May 3rd, 2005, 12:17 AM Whast this?
http://www.canadianarchitect.com/common_scripts/xtq_images/99869-41912.jpg
Twin condominium towers proposed for mid-town Toronto refer to the skyscraper designs of Raymond Hood.
minto condos at yonge and eglinton ,taller one is 50 storeys and shorter one
is 39 storey
Mike in TO May 3rd, 2005, 09:35 PM Re: 1 Bloor East
Kolter is holding off on 1 Bloor East for the time being.
The Uptown Condo across the street (48 stories) by Marco Muzzo (Pemberton Group) has just entered sales and Kolter is planning to delay the launch of their tower so as to not directly compete with the neighbouring development.
partybits May 4th, 2005, 01:01 AM Thank you!
I have been trying to figure what's goin on with that building for the longest time (how I discovered this website actually). While I like the Uptown, I would have preferred they started with 1 Bloor & delay Uptown instead!
partybits May 4th, 2005, 02:39 AM Oh, and since I've awnsered that question. On to the next. I would start a new thread except one problem. Don't know how. Anyways, it's related to the city boom
In emporis, I looked at all the approved/proposed buildings of major cities in North America and here is the list of top ten based simply on the sum of the two (I know, not that scientific, but meh):
1. Toronto 241
2. Chicago 107
3. Miami 85
4. NYC 65
5. Las Vegas 54
6. Ottawa 37
7. San Diego 35
8. San Fran 32
9. Seattle 32
10. Vancouver 30 (Hey! 3 out of 10 are Canadian!)
Conclusion...Toronto kicks ass...we nearly double our competitors.
What I'm trying to figure out is why. Some thoughts I've thrown out include:
Are we truly about to see a boom like none seen before and will be the envy of North America?
Is our concentration of high density devolepement as opposed to low rise housing in other cities causing this variance?
Is our red tape in this city THAT bad that it's simply causing a backlog no other city has to deal with?
Is Emporis smoking to much grass and should be shut down?
Am I smoking too much grass and should leave this website?
Or, is it a combination of factors.
P.S. How do you start a thread anyways?
Skybean May 4th, 2005, 02:52 AM Go to the sub section of the forum you wish to post the thread.
Find the button "New Thread"
Click it.
KGB May 4th, 2005, 02:54 AM "Kolter is planning to delay the launch of their tower so as to not directly compete with the neighbouring development."
pussies
"Are we truly about to see a boom like none seen before and will be the envy of North America? "
The city of Toronto has been on an on-off housing boom since the 60's. Look at the growth of the inner city since the 50's, and compare it to any American city.
"Is our concentration of high density devolepement as opposed to low rise housing in other cities causing this variance? "
Partly, but I think it's simply a matter of population increase and land cost/availability. A bit of decent urabn planning here and there didn't hurt either.
"Is our red tape in this city THAT bad that it's simply causing a backlog no other city has to deal with? "
Nope...there is no backlog...the amount of projects traveling through the pipeline since the last condo boom has been pretty consistant.
"Is Emporis smoking to much grass and should be shut down?
Am I smoking too much grass and should leave this website? "
No...and no. Just pass that fat one around.
KGB
partybits May 4th, 2005, 05:06 AM Thank you Skybeam, I just set up a new thread. Can't believe I did'nt see the new thread button earlier...thanks again.
And KGB, I'll be sure to pass it around. One thing though, you mentioned the inner city growth of American cities in relation to Toronto. That would explain the past (up to 80's), but a large amount of the cities are now starting to see a rejuvenation of there cores. I guess it's just that the discrepency is so large. I mean we double EVERYONE! Not that i'm complaining of course....go Toronto! Tks for the insight by the way. Feel free to comment on the new thread so it looks like someone listening...lol
jon jon May 6th, 2005, 07:59 AM Hate to burst your bubble guys but Vegas currently has 40,000 condos under construction and Miami a whopping 69,000 versus Toronto's 25,000.
From USAToday:
Today, an estimated 50 major condo projects are proposed or under construction within 50 city blocks in Miami on or near Biscayne Bay. There are so many gaping holes in the ground — where old buildings have been razed and new ones are planned — that downtown looks as if it has been bombed. A remarkable 69,000 condo units are currently in the permit pipeline or are newly built and for sale citywide. By comparison, Las Vegas — perennially among the USA's hottest housing markets — issued permits for 40,000 units of all types of housing last year.
Las Vegas and Miami have more condo units u/c than Toronto? ROFLOL! What an ignorant statement (though not surprising). This guy compares Miami's number of condos u/c, proposed, and approved to the number of units in Toronto u/c, and compares the number of units of all types of housing in Las Vegas to the number of condo units u/c in Toronto. The fact is Toronto has more condo units u/c than Miami and Las Vegas combined, and more condo units in the pipeline than Miami and Las Vegas combined.
Of course I'm sure Brooklyn has more than all 3 of these cities combined :ROFL:
Rancher May 6th, 2005, 08:47 AM Nice one TORONTO!
rise_against May 6th, 2005, 11:52 PM Can someone plz explain in detail what exactly City Place is? It looks cool!!! Is it one huge develment or a collection of seperate projects? Whats the tallest building gonna be? If anyone can answer this i would be thankful!!!
Skybean May 7th, 2005, 12:00 AM Cityplace is a single development consisting of 20 residential towers.
The tallest building will be "Signature Tower". It may undergo design changes since last proposal which was 217.5m, 69 floors. It will likely be the final tower to be built in the development.
For more information and a killer day-night time lapse picture of Cityplace
www.cityplace.ca
rise_against May 8th, 2005, 12:53 AM WOW those towers look huge!!! Thanks 4 the info skybeam. So i'm guessing this will be done by the end of the decade?
Skybean May 8th, 2005, 01:07 AM WOW those towers look huge!!! Thanks 4 the info skybeam. So i'm guessing this will be done by the end of the decade?
Hopefully ;)
Relatively up to date pic of waterfront view with Cityplace to the left
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Bogtrotter/100_0067.jpg
rise_against May 8th, 2005, 03:59 AM thanks for the info buddy. Can't wait to see all these projects to be completed
Marcanadian May 8th, 2005, 04:06 AM wow i havent seen a pic like that from the lake yet. cool. cityplace is really building. when i went down there hve is really tall :runaway:
neilio May 8th, 2005, 04:36 AM will the signature tower be the last one tobe built or will they build it before they complete the other 19 towers?
neilio May 8th, 2005, 04:38 AM Yes it is. The golf course is no more!
The finished product:
http://img187.echo.cx/img187/2518/cityplace5ux.jpg
www.cityplace.ca (for day-night time lapse)
atleast 2 of those towers to the left of signature tower appear to be atleast 600 feet each!
friendlyneighboor May 8th, 2005, 04:46 AM That is not an accurate image. I don't know why cityplace is hosting that pic because the towers will be shorter in reality. There appears to be 7 towers above 500ft, when in reality there is probably 3 planned.
Skybean May 8th, 2005, 04:46 AM ^Distance perception is the reason behind their "skewed" heights.
"Appear" is the keyword.
The fact is that the towers of the financial district.. Scotia Plaza, FCP, BCE, etc. appear to be short because they are further from the waterfront than the cityplace towers.
If you look at the current picture.. HVE 2 at 500ft looks taller than the gold coloured Royal Bank Plaza at 591 ft.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/Bogtrotter/100_0067.jpg
friendlyneighboor May 8th, 2005, 04:53 AM ^^I'm glad to know Cityplace has you fooled~~ Goes to show it works.
HVE is probably the next tallest tower after Signature, assuming it gets built. West ONE will be equivalent or a little shorter then HVE.
Skybean May 8th, 2005, 05:00 AM Uptown Residences
48 floors | 158m | 518ft.
Approved
http://img107.echo.cx/img107/4259/3562613ur.jpg
neilio May 8th, 2005, 05:41 AM im wondering why skyscraperpage.com hasn't yet included the ritz-carlton in its Toronto diagram...im hoping they do soon cause i will finally be able to compare its height to that of other Toronto skyscrapers
Travis007 May 8th, 2005, 08:38 PM im wondering why skyscraperpage.com hasn't yet included the ritz-carlton in its Toronto diagram...im hoping they do soon cause i will finally be able to compare its height to that of other Toronto skyscrapers
Probably because they haven't released the real height yet, all we know is it's 53 floors. Or maybe because they're just too lazy :P
Travis007 May 8th, 2005, 08:46 PM ^^I'm glad to know Cityplace has you fooled~~ Goes to show it works.
HVE is probably the next tallest tower after Signature, assuming it gets built. West ONE will be equivalent or a little shorter then HVE.
I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about but HVE has already reached full height. Or are you implying if Signature will get built or not, which I'm pretty sure it will in another 7 or 8 years maybe, depending on when they choose to market it.
WestOne is said to be 49 floors, same as HVE II but I remember hearing that they changed it to 55 floors or something but I'm not sure. That's what it says on SSP: http://www.skyscraperpage.com/cities/?buildingID=9983
Here's a render of it with a sky garden pool, in the middle of the building:
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/28toronto-westone01.jpg
Also, I'm assuming that the next tallest tower in the remaining Cityplace towers will be 45 floors and the rest lower. But's that just my prediction, nothing official yet.
Skybean May 10th, 2005, 01:36 AM Quantum
118m | 39 Floors | Under Construction
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507quantuum.jpg
One Pinnacle Centre
121m | 40 floors | Under Construction
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/pinnacle_rendering.jpg
Infinity
??? | 35 floors | Under Construction
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/infinity_rendering.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507picture321.jpg
Delirium
Skybean May 10th, 2005, 01:50 AM Empire on Bayview (North York)
130.2m | 28 Floors | Under Construction
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/28toronto-empire.jpg
Taken by me
http://img176.echo.cx/img176/316/dh0903pa.jpg
Skybean May 10th, 2005, 02:06 AM Skyline Cosmopolitan
92 m | 26 Floors | Under Construction
http://www.urbandb.com/canada/ontario/toronto/skyline_cosmopolitan.jpg
http://bricks.labattracks.net/kiwanis/toronto/skylinecosmo.jpg
1 King West
176 m | 51 Floors | Under Construction
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/547/2507picture1339.jpg
Filip May 10th, 2005, 03:50 AM Oh shit! Where's Quantum going up?
PyRoMaNiAc May 10th, 2005, 03:55 AM Oh shit! Where's Quantum going up?
Yonge and Eglinton. :)
Travis007 May 10th, 2005, 03:57 AM Oh shit! Where's Quantum going up?
I can't believe you never heard of it before. It's rising just south of the Yonge and Eglinton intersection. I will eventually be joing by a 524 ft. tower north of it called The Pointe @ Minto Midtown.
rise_against May 11th, 2005, 02:17 AM Man there are just so many projects going up. Its hard to pick which is my fav. I think i like cityplace right now because it will have the largest impact on the skyline. However i love the design and height of the sapphire tower. If/when that is built that will become a landmark. When people think of Toronto they will think of the CN tower and the Sapphire Tower. Then again the Trump Tower will bring prestige to the city because of the name behind it. Its just amazing to have all these projects going up around the same time. Overnight T.O's skyline will seem to transform. Its great!!!
Travis007 May 11th, 2005, 03:37 AM The newly re-designed Sapphire Tower. Yes, the shorter cyclinder is gone and is replaced by a rectangular building, with a terraced top:
http://www.chartattack.com/ed/SapphireCity9_ls.jpg
Filip May 11th, 2005, 03:43 AM I can't believe you never heard of it before. It's rising just south of the Yonge and Eglinton intersection. I will eventually be joing by a 524 ft. tower north of it called The Pointe @ Minto Midtown.
That's why I didn't know - I call it Minto towers.
rise_against May 11th, 2005, 11:32 PM is sapphire tower gonna be built for sure? ive heard conflicting reports
Travis007 May 11th, 2005, 11:43 PM Well, many Toronto forumers have doubts about it getting built, mostly because it;s done by an amateurish developer who does not really know what he's doing. But I have faith and I'm sure he'll pull through and get this baby to rise. The tower has been re-designed and the new re-launch date will be May 26. I've heard that construction should start in Sept. this year and will be complete in 2008, according to a source. The condos I believe are somewhere around 40% sold I think.
And what conflicting reports?
rise_against May 12th, 2005, 01:47 AM i didnt mean anything official, just from what i heard others were saying. i likw the new design alot better
Marcanadian May 12th, 2005, 01:51 AM can i see a new pic of the new design?
Travis007 May 12th, 2005, 03:18 AM can i see a new pic of the new design?
It's on the page before this one and in the Toronto forum.
centralized pandemonium May 12th, 2005, 03:43 AM http://www.greatspaces.utoronto.ca/images/pharmacy1.jpg
Wow, this building is supposed to be a marvel, those hanging pods. This building is supposed to be built by the company of one of my profs from last semester, he was a sucky prof, half the class failed(I passed). But the builing looks cool tho.
friendlyneighboor May 12th, 2005, 05:22 AM What's depressing when I think of Toronto is the lack of really tall buildings constructed. Toronto has been in a boom for about +9 years, and not one super tall to account for. So many tall projects have been around the block and not a single shovel in the ground. IMO Toronto lucked out with 1KingWest. I get the impression the only reason for its height may have to do with the small floor plates.
ssiguy2 May 12th, 2005, 05:54 AM I often find the building with all the hooplaw get all this media attention but often don't get built {aka Bay/Adelaide} while tall condos and mid size building go up in a hurry around them.
KGB May 12th, 2005, 07:54 AM "Wow, this building is supposed to be a marvel, those hanging pods. "
Yea...and I noticed they have completely covered the whole bottom of the building, so you can't see them building it inside. I think this building is one of the sleepers of all the new buildings going up around downtown. The rendering looks boring...the real thing already shows great details you can't glean from the render. I mean com'on...the architect is no slouch after all.
KGB
rt_0891 May 12th, 2005, 08:13 AM Personally, I think it would be great if we could offer incentives for developers to build higher... Stumpy 20~ so storey buildings don't interest me anymore.
Travis007 May 12th, 2005, 10:50 PM Toronto has a lot more than "stumpy 20 so storeys" going on. People usually just notice the shorter buildings and don't think much about them but they do add density. Toronto has some tall ones too, Here's just a list of what's tall or of decent height:
Trump Tower: 70s 1066 ft.
Sapphire Tower: 88s
Ritz-Carlton: 53s
1 Bloor East, 60s 714 ft.
MLSE Towers: 52s and 48s
590 Jarvis: 45s 487 ft
18 York St. 37s 449 ft.
N1: 42s
Harbour View esates: 49,41,36,26s
Met: 43 s 415 ft. 35s
Murano: 34s 374 ft, 41s 459 ft.
London: 33s and 16s
WestOne: 49 or 55s
Uptown: 48s 518 ft.
Festival Tower: 42s 514 ft.
Minto Midtown: 524 ft. 379 ft,
ROCP: 52s and 45s
SP!RE: 45s 475 ft.
Signature Tower: 69s
Hummingbird Centre Tower: 50s
One City Hall II, 50s
Pinnacle Centre: 40,41,45,30s
33 Charles Street Easr, 43s 453 ft.
verve, 43s 433 ft.
18 Yonge, 39s
151 Front Street, 36s 549 ft.
etc.
Travis007 May 12th, 2005, 11:37 PM Wow, this building is supposed to be a marvel, those hanging pods. This building is supposed to be built by the company of one of my profs from last semester, he was a sucky prof, half the class failed(I passed). But the builing looks cool tho.
Some updates of this building by Sir Novelty Fashion @ UT
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/pdelaney/IMG_0378-1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/pdelaney/IMG_0384-1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/pdelaney/IMG_0390-1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/pdelaney/IMG_0396-1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/pdelaney/IMG_0397-1.jpg
centralized pandemonium May 13th, 2005, 04:17 AM ^^^ They took out the white sheets today. I saw them trying to get the pods up.
Skybean May 13th, 2005, 06:56 AM CCBR | April 14, 2005
http://photos8.flickr.com/9363268_412700cebd_o.jpg
rise_against May 13th, 2005, 07:09 PM is that just an office building or what? whats going in there?
centralized pandemonium May 13th, 2005, 08:58 PM ^^^ You meant the glass building posted by Skybean in post number 195. It is a University of Toronto building.
Metroland May 13th, 2005, 09:11 PM It's the new building for biomolecular reasearch i think.....
rise_against May 13th, 2005, 11:10 PM Great!!! i love high tech industry, Go Toronto. Are there any other sleeper buildings near completion
Travis007 May 14th, 2005, 12:27 AM Great!!! i love high tech industry, Go Toronto. Are there any other sleeper buildings near completion
Well, there's also the MaRS complex just across the street from these.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/pdelaney/IMG_0391-1.jpg
It will also be joined by one more buiding with the same height as the taller one.
Skybean May 17th, 2005, 01:46 AM yarabundi @ SSP
Cityplace
http://img201.echo.cx/img201/7153/img18711kx.jpg
Cityplace from Skydome
http://img201.echo.cx/img201/1664/img18797lh.jpg
The suburbs are going crazy.........
Scarborough City Centre
360 by Tridel
35 floors | Topped Out
http://img210.echo.cx/img210/1493/3525685bv.jpg
Equinox 1
37 Floors | Topped Out
http://img191.echo.cx/img191/5351/3523476oo.jpg
Equinox 2
37 Floors | Topped Out
http://img191.echo.cx/img191/3330/3525595ve.jpg
Updated Emporis Statistics
High-rise Building Statistics for Toronto
1,614 completed
138 proposed
106 approved
54 under construction
60 never built
7 demolished
1 on hold
1 under reconstruction
partybits May 17th, 2005, 01:51 AM Never seen a pic of Cityplace from inside the Skydome (errr...ummm Rogers). That looks amazing. It probably will look great at night time, especially when all 4 HV buildings are complete.
nygirl May 17th, 2005, 02:10 AM http://img219.exs.cx/img219/5679/1p92400396si.jpg :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :carrot: :carrot: :banana:
TORONTO IS REALLY COMING ALONG. WOW. LOOKS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING IN THIS PICTURE. SO DRAMATIC WITH THE CN TOWER DOMINATING AND THE CLUSTER EXPANDING AROUND IT. :cheers:
Travis007 May 17th, 2005, 02:46 AM Also, no big news or render yet, but there are plans for a Shangri-La Hotel/Condo tower in Toronto. :D
centralized pandemonium May 17th, 2005, 03:08 AM Those guys at Cityplace can see the Blue Jays matches for free :(.
Skybean May 17th, 2005, 03:16 AM Those guys at Cityplace can see the Blue Jays matches for free :(.
Ah.. only if the roof is open :)
fredcalif May 17th, 2005, 03:40 AM Beautifu place, GO Torontooooooooooooooooooo
rise_against May 17th, 2005, 05:44 PM has anyone heard of the new music hall of fame on dundas and younge?
elliot May 17th, 2005, 06:18 PM The hall is going to be part of the oft-delayed Metropolis. They are taking around 70/80,000 square feet with a Yonge Street address. Just north of the Virgin Megastore and just south of HMV and Sam the Record Man... smart idea.
Anything that gets some new cement poured at that permanent lack of construction site is ok with me.
elliot May 17th, 2005, 07:16 PM BTW, here's an "in progress" future render that I posted elsewhere from a unique vantagepoint looking SW from Carlton/College to the lake.
The actual pano is larger and lots of projects still have to be added (glimpse of Signature, 4 towers of Pinnacle etc.). The Bay Adelaide site incorporates the old design for the commercial tower (likely to be redesigned) a fictional residential tower (rumoured to be at least this tall).
Sapphire is shorter than advertised but who knows if it will survive anyway.
SCROLL>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/panopreview.jpg
rise_against May 17th, 2005, 09:09 PM ^^^Nice pic!!! Is there any render for the hall of fame yet?
I also heard that the Annex area residents are stopping development of a 30+ story condo. Does anyone have a render of that one?
Travis007 May 17th, 2005, 10:33 PM ^^^Nice pic!!! Is there any render for the hall of fame yet?
I also heard that the Annex area residents are stopping development of a 30+ story condo. Does anyone have a render of that one?
Well, here's the render of metropolis, the canadian hall of fame will be built in there:
http://www.mswansonart.com/metropolis.jpg
And as for, 1 bedford road south, no I don't have the render but I hope they built it anyways. :)
Travis007 May 17th, 2005, 10:38 PM Metropolis has halted construction for some time now but I hope they get back to building soon, this article says that it will open in summer 2007.
T.O. to house Cdn. music hall of fame
By ANDREA BAILLIE
TORONTO (CP) - Canadian music legends will soon be immortalized at a flashy music museum to be built in Toronto.
The city beat out nearby Hamilton to house the facility, the Canadian Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences (CARAS) was poised to announce Tuesday. "When you think of a Canadian music hall of fame, it could generate a somewhat dusty image and that is very far from what we're shooting for. It's going to be very high-energy," Ross Reynolds, chairman of CARAS, said Monday.
"It will be much more interactive than the rock 'n' roll hall of fame (in Cleveland)."
The facility, expected to open in the summer of 2007, will be located at the bustling corner of Yonge and Dundas streets in the city's downtown core.
It is expected to span three floors of a 10-storey building already under construction that will also include a record store, stereo store, movie theatres and restaurants.
Peter Tillmann, president of Spinning Wheel Designs and project director for the Toronto bid, likened the complex to an "entertainment-style project similar to Times Square, New York."
"The outside of the building has been designed like a giant billboard," he said.
"If you can imagine a 10-storey-high billboard with, say, 18 different types of television screens and monitors and flashing lights and all kinds of bells and whistles."
Inside, the facility will take visitors "behind the scenes" of the music industry, Tillman said.
"There will be a lot of exhibits where people can interact and become their favourite musician so they can get into an editing suite, they can play an instrument, they can do some recording with their vocals, they can go in and see how instruments are made," he said.
For more than 25 years, CARAS has been inducting musicians and industry leaders into a hall of fame, but has not had a "bricks-mortar" base.
Five cities - Toronto, Hamilton, Winnipeg, Saskatoon and Sault Ste. Marie - originally bid on the project. All other candidates eventually dropped out or were eliminated except for Hamilton and Toronto.
Reynolds said Toronto was chosen because it draws so many visitors.
"The overriding driving factor here was the location and the traffic and the dynamism of that particular location," he said.
Currently the hall exists in the virtual world only at www.juno-awards.ca. Each year new names are added at a ceremony folded into the televised Juno Awards.
The building is to be the Canadian equivalent to Cleveland's famous structure - designed by renowned architect I.M. Pei - only it won't be limited to those in the world of rock 'n' roll.
The project will cost about $40 million, with funds to come from corporate sponsors and the music industry as well as a mix of private and public sponsors.
Skybean May 17th, 2005, 10:41 PM yarabundi @ SSP
Canadian Opera House
Under Construction
http://img201.echo.cx/img201/1431/img18898cv.jpg
rise_against May 18th, 2005, 12:39 AM Wow i cant wait 2 c what its gonna look like. Toronto needs a place like that!!!
rise_against May 18th, 2005, 01:23 AM Hey do any of you remeber the old Metronome Canada comercials? What became of that?
Skybeam do you have a render of what the finished Opera house will look like???
Skybean May 18th, 2005, 01:38 AM Hey do any of you remeber the old Metronome Canada comercials? What became of that?
Skybeam do you have a render of what the finished Opera house will look like???
I believe Metronome is still in the works. They need more funding though.
The finished opera house
http://www.infrastructure.gc.ca/publications/cp/rpp/2004/images/Toronto-Opera-Ext-Night.jpg
rise_against May 18th, 2005, 01:46 AM ^^^that looks nice but noithing outstanding. Have you been to torontomapleleafs.com and checked out there video on maple leaf's square? it looks really cool!!!
Travis007 May 18th, 2005, 02:53 AM ^^^that looks nice but noithing outstanding. Have you been to torontomapleleafs.com and checked out there video on maple leaf's square? it looks really cool!!!
rise_against, you should check out the Toronto Forums, must of your questions may be found somewhere in there, and the most recent projects can be found in there too: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=280
Spoonman May 18th, 2005, 08:08 AM And as for, 1 bedford road south, no I don't have the render but I hope they built it anyways. :)
Don't be foolish. I'm all for developing highrises and expanding the skyline, but tearing down a charming, bustling retail corner to make way for an uninspiring condo is outrageous, and I'm glad the public outcry made the city think twice about approving the project. There are plenty of parking lots or empty spaces in similarly busy intersections that can benefit from this kind of development, but dammit Jim, I will not stand by as my precious crepe joint gets torn down!
You are to blame May 18th, 2005, 06:05 PM Here is my favourite render of metropolis, which the music hall of fame will be a tenent in
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/Toronto416/metro1.jpg
thryve May 18th, 2005, 08:32 PM Every time I see that picture I can't believe how much Toronto has changed... and it makes me remember how if someone from the past in Toronto saw that they would be blown away.
rise_against May 18th, 2005, 11:02 PM I agree that is an amazing pic lets hope they get started soon
Travis007 May 18th, 2005, 11:11 PM Don't be foolish. I'm all for developing highrises and expanding the skyline, but tearing down a charming, bustling retail corner to make way for an uninspiring condo is outrageous, and I'm glad the public outcry made the city think twice about approving the project. There are plenty of parking lots or empty spaces in similarly busy intersections that can benefit from this kind of development, but dammit Jim, I will not stand by as my precious crepe joint gets torn down!
This is what I hate, too many damn NIMBY's :bash:
Have you even seen the plans? They aren't just building 2 condo towers, they're building something that would make the intersecrion better. The plans also include a public square, the plans are great!
Spoonman May 19th, 2005, 03:55 AM This is what I hate, too many damn NIMBY's :bash:
Have you even seen the plans? They aren't just building 2 condo towers, they're building something that would make the intersecrion better. The plans also include a public square, the plans are great!
NIMBYism seems to have taken on an exaggerated, pejorative connotation on these boards, to the point of being a trendy buzzword that everyone likes to just throw around to sound cool.
I wonder ... have you been to Bloor and Bedford? Perhaps, but are you well acquainted with the area (if you are, then I find your reaction even more surprising)? It's easy to be detached from a certain neighbourhood and say "yeah, just tear down those dusty ol' shacks and put up a nice, tall, shiny highrise", but when you're a part of that neighbourhood, those "ol' shacks" are inextricably linked with the community. And although it wouldn't hurt some of them from being sexed up and renovated a bit, they're nonetheless historic buildings that are components of the neighbourhood's historical legacy. And all that nostalgic mumbo jumbo aside, it happens to be a very charming (not to mention bustling) corner. You've got the Bedford Ballroom, the crepe place, the florist, along with one or two chain fast food joints thrown in (that I don't particularly care for, but that's just me).
Just look at the Woodsworth residence. It was a sleeper construction site when I moved to the area so I'm not sure what preceded it, but thus far the retail space for rent on the ground floor has been dead since the building went up (I think another Mercurio bar was supposed to get established there, but those plans fell through early in the game). All I'm saying is why demolish a perfectly tried-and-tested retail corner and replace it with a behemoth that may look good on paper, but could very well fall dramatically short of expectations?
I'm not saying it's a bad proposal per se, but simply that it just doesn't fit in. First of all, it would be disproportionate with its surroundings and just tower awkwardly over everything. Secondly, if the proposal was to be approved, it would set a dangerous precedent for the rest of the Annex, where several developers are already getting hard-ons about prospective large condo projects. This is simply not a neighbourhood to be messed around with. It works, and let's leave it at that.
Spoonman May 19th, 2005, 04:12 AM Also, I just read the Hume article you posted on the TO board (after I posted my previous message). To be honest, the plans I read about were a few months old and I might not be apprised of any revisions, so I don't want to jump on this pre-emptively, but I dunno man. I'd have to see some pretty impressive and convincing plans (along with a render or two) before I'd consider warming up to this project. Until then, I'll continue to be skeptical. I simply don't like the fact that it's replacing a perfectly fine and well-established corner, while other mediocre areas or flat-out parking lots (in areas that could benefit from and sustain density) lay untouched. But who knows, I may be wrong. If it turns out to be a stunning success and be a nice big boost to the community, I'll be eating my words. We'll just have to see what happens.
Haber May 20th, 2005, 12:24 AM Looks Amazing! :)
Skybean May 20th, 2005, 01:51 AM HVE 3 (CityPlace)
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Travis007 May 20th, 2005, 11:46 PM NIMBYism seems to have taken on an exaggerated, pejorative connotation on these boards, to the point of being a trendy buzzword that everyone likes to just throw around to sound cool.
I wonder ... have you been to Bloor and Bedford? Perhaps, but are you well acquainted with the area (if you are, then I find your reaction even more surprising)? It's easy to be detached from a certain neighbourhood and say "yeah, just tear down those dusty ol' shacks and put up a nice, tall, shiny highrise", but when you're a part of that neighbourhood, those "ol' shacks" are inextricably linked with the community. And although it wouldn't hurt some of them from being sexed up and renovated a bit, they're nonetheless historic buildings that are components of the neighbourhood's historical legacy. And all that nostalgic mumbo jumbo aside, it happens to be a very charming (not to mention bustling) corner. You've got the Bedford Ballroom, the crepe place, the florist, along with one or two chain fast food joints thrown in (that I don't particularly care for, but that's just me).
Just look at the Woodsworth residence. It was a sleeper construction site when I moved to the area so I'm not sure what preceded it, but thus far the retail space for rent on the ground floor has been dead since the building went up (I think another Mercurio bar was supposed to get established there, but those plans fell through early in the game). All I'm saying is why demolish a perfectly tried-and-tested retail corner and replace it with a behemoth that may look good on paper, but could very well fall dramatically short of expectations?
I'm not saying it's a bad proposal per se, but simply that it just doesn't fit in. First of all, it would be disproportionate with its surroundings and just tower awkwardly over everything. Secondly, if the proposal was to be approved, it would set a dangerous precedent for the rest of the Annex, where several developers are already getting hard-ons about prospective large condo projects. This is simply not a neighbourhood to be messed around with. It works, and let's leave it at that.
I'm sorry over-reacting at first and calling you a NIMBY. :)
And I have been to the corner of Bedford and Bloor, it's a nice corner with a lot of potential. I agree that there is some nice stores there that probably won't be there if this proposal goes through. But I'm pretty sure that your probably wouldn't mind if these same retail stores would remain if the condo towers get built as ground-level retail, and if it adds to the area. But I would doubt that because condo/residence towers has trouble with retail tenants and most of the time they end up being lousy dry-cleaners and such.
One thing that I would disagree is that I don't exactly find Bedford and Bloor to be very "Annex" because it is facing Bloor which is a busy street compared to the quiet and charming Annex area. Anyways, I hope that the plan ends up satifying both of us.
Travis007 May 20th, 2005, 11:54 PM Also, I just read the Hume article you posted on the TO board (after I posted my previous message). To be honest, the plans I read about were a few months old and I might not be apprised of any revisions, so I don't want to jump on this pre-emptively, but I dunno man. I'd have to see some pretty impressive and convincing plans (along with a render or two) before I'd consider warming up to this project. Until then, I'll continue to be skeptical. I simply don't like the fact that it's replacing a perfectly fine and well-established corner, while other mediocre areas or flat-out parking lots (in areas that could benefit from and sustain density) lay untouched. But who knows, I may be wrong. If it turns out to be a stunning success and be a nice big boost to the community, I'll be eating my words. We'll just have to see what happens.
To be honest, that was the first Hume article that I really agreed to.
I agree that the buildings in the intersection shouldn't be demolished, not so much as for being historical, but for it being well established. And the reason for the development being here is Location, location,location, it is close to the subway and is right downtown. But I really can't see any other parking lots in that area though, most of Bloor Street/Annex area is already established. I also don't see that many large condo projects being built in the Annex area. The only ones I can think of is this and Mosaic which is built on Spadina south of Bloor which IMO, really isn't part of the Annex. Either way, the Annex is one of the best neighbourhoods in Toronto and I hope that it stays this way.
KGB May 21st, 2005, 04:02 AM "wonder ... have you been to Bloor and Bedford? Perhaps, but are you well acquainted with the area (if you are, then I find your reaction even more surprising)? It's easy to be detached from a certain neighbourhood and say "yeah, just tear down those dusty ol' shacks and put up a nice, tall, shiny highrise", but when you're a part of that neighbourhood, those "ol' shacks" are inextricably linked with the community."
Yes, I'm very well aquainted with the area.
And yes, I'm completely in agreement with the development. It is the perfect example of excactly the smart kind of development the city is proposing. And it doesn't affect the Annex neighbourhood in any negative way at all...so there really isn no down side, which you seem to imply there is.
Harvey's, that dounut shop...the variety store are inextricably linked to the Annex??? That's BS. The BB is just one of a zillion local UofT watering holes...hardly the pillar of the community.
"I'm not saying it's a bad proposal per se, but simply that it just doesn't fit in. First of all, it would be disproportionate with its surroundings and just tower awkwardly over everything. Secondly, if the proposal was to be approved, it would set a dangerous precedent for the rest of the Annex, where several developers are already getting hard-ons about prospective large condo projects."
What do you mean it doesn't fit in...it's disproportionate????
Dude, the residential Annex is one thing...Bloor Street itself is another (between Yonge and Spadina)...Bloor street is lined with highrises in this area. Bloor st downtown is like the #2 main drag in the city...this is where the highrises are, and should be put...no-one is proposing it goes on the residential nabe north of it (although it has it's share of highrises itself).
It's just the most bizarre thing I ever heard...no highrises on Bloor West because it's a bad place to put them, and there aren't any there now????? Sure you aren't refering to another Bloor Street??
"This is simply not a neighbourhood to be messed around with. It works, and let's leave it at that"
The Annex is the place it is now, oddly enough, becasue it has changed considerably in it's history...if it didn't, it would still be another Rosedale.
KGB
intervention May 21st, 2005, 05:13 AM Dundas Square is disgusting.
Grey Towers May 21st, 2005, 06:17 AM NIMBYism seems to have taken on an exaggerated, pejorative connotation on these boards, to the point of being a trendy buzzword that everyone likes to just throw around to sound cool.
There are NIMBYs, and then there are honest-to-goodness preservationists. Don't confuse the two.
G_DOG May 21st, 2005, 11:36 PM so i guess construction should be restarting on metropolis soon
Travis007 May 21st, 2005, 11:43 PM so i guess construction should be restarting on metropolis soon
They should start as soon as possible if they want to open in 2007 as they said so. I guess they've found another building contractor, the crane's been moving around a little bit lately. I hope that they really pick up the pace on construction, I remember about the same time last year when they were still building upwards from the huge hole.
Skybean May 25th, 2005, 03:04 AM Skyline Update!
May 21, 2005
http://photos14.flickr.com/14982119_9bd70b05c8_b.jpg
http://img115.echo.cx/img115/1484/cityplace5jx.jpg
Roch5220 May 25th, 2005, 03:13 AM ^Good comparison skybeam. Looking at the built buildings, and comparing to the poster, it looks almost bang on.
Travis007 May 25th, 2005, 03:25 AM It looks pretty close to me and it proves me wrong. I always thought that the original 4 towers looked to short compared to the renders. Cityplace and the other waterfront condos sure are doing wonders for the skyline. But it makes you realize just how far away Cityplace is from completion.
rise_against May 25th, 2005, 05:44 PM i hope there will b more density on the westend of the ted because density is not great
Spoonman May 26th, 2005, 01:42 AM ...
Alright, here's the deal. I'm simply inherently suspicious of the proposal. Refer to my post above regarding the retail (or lack thereof) featured on Woodsworth's ground floor. I'm not a terribly huge fan of the architecture (but I admit that beauty is in the eye of the beholder), and the building is essentially dead at street level. Perhaps with time the rental space will see some tenants; I just hope it'll be something with a little more character than a convenience store or two.
Coming back to Bloor-Bedford, the current retail isn't as uninspiring as you claim. For every "generic" store you named, I can name at least another interesting one. I just hope that the proposed development won't become just another laundr-o-mat haven. I'll admit that I haven't seen the new plans, and I'm ready to embrace them if they prove as innovative and "smart" as you insist that they are. Hopefully, they'll also attract some interesting tenants to the area.
We'll see. I sincerely hope you're right and the development turns out to be fabulous. I'd personally like anything that takes some emphasis off the rather drab and unappealing (and currently dominating) OISE building.
SD May 26th, 2005, 02:23 AM Alright, here's the deal. I'm simply inherently suspicious of the proposal. Refer to my post above regarding the retail (or lack thereof) featured on Woodsworth's ground floor. I'm not a terribly huge fan of the architecture (but I admit that beauty is in the eye of the beholder), and the building is essentially dead at street level. Perhaps with time the rental space will see some tenants; I just hope it'll be something with a little more character than a convenience store or two.
Coming back to Bloor-Bedford, the current retail isn't as uninspiring as you claim. For every "generic" store you named, I can name at least another interesting one. I just hope that the proposed development won't become just another laundr-o-mat haven. I'll admit that I haven't seen the new plans, and I'm ready to embrace them if they prove as innovative and "smart" as you insist that they are. Hopefully, they'll also attract some interesting tenants to the area.
We'll see. I sincerely hope you're right and the development turns out to be fabulous. I'd personally like anything that takes some emphasis off the rather drab and unappealing (and currently dominating) OISE building.
I'd have to agree...those retail establishments may not seem like anything special but they serve the area well.
I assumed many of them, such as the Bedford Ballroom would get new spaces when the new building opened. But if there is no new retail or a less accessible selection, I'll be disappointed.
Skybean June 1st, 2005, 12:52 AM http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/uptown.jpg
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rise_against June 1st, 2005, 02:17 AM i like the building^^^ it has a older more classical feeling and i think it suites the area well.
Dino Domingo June 1st, 2005, 02:45 AM Stunning.
Metroland June 1st, 2005, 06:35 AM ^ Indeed.
lokinyc June 1st, 2005, 08:25 PM I wish the rendering was a little clearer but The Uptown looks like a class act. I love this wave of Neo-Deco going on. Another good example is 425 Fifth in New York City by Michael Graves ...
http://www.wirednewyork.com/real_estate/425fifth/images/425fifth_american_radiator_bryant_26jan03.jpg
Mike in TO June 1st, 2005, 09:15 PM Lokinyc - could you post another couple shots of that tower?
Travis007 June 1st, 2005, 10:23 PM Here's some more of 425 Fifth avenue:
http://www.hto-architect.com/images/425Graves.jpg
http://425fifthavenue.cityrealty.com/graphics/photos/f/fif425.01.photo.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid54/p9d929907e1ace8f9a37410c06392a58c/fc84f512.jpg
I like both the Uptown and 425 Fifth but I really don't see any resemblance between them other then them both beeing relatively slender buildings. 425 Fifth seems to be more of a modern building inspired by art-deco style while Uptown seems to be more of a classical 30's revival tower.
PS: the American radiator building in the foreground of lokinyc's pic is one of the ugliest buildings IMO. It's not so much the architecture but the colour contrast is just plain bad, black/dark brown and gold does not go well with each other in a building. :(
KGB June 1st, 2005, 10:43 PM I think it's tall, slender, and "somewhat" neo-deco I guess. Seeing who the developer is, I can't help but feel there may be a bit more sizzle than steak...I guess we'll find out.
For neo-deco, I really like Stern's version a block or so away...not all that tall, but at least we can be pretty certain it's gonna be very good looking.
KGB
ssiguy2 June 2nd, 2005, 01:14 AM The Uptowne is a very handsome building. Wish we had some of those out here.
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