I also included cities which were German back then but are now located in other countries. Anyway, enjoy these pics

Berlin

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00332v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00341v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00343v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00347v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00339v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00367v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00336v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00333v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00350v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00346v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00345v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00340v.jpg


Dresden

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00938v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00942v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00946v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00954v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00955v.jpg


Leipzig

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00966v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00965v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00969v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00961v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00967v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00964v.jpg


Breslau/Wroclaw

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01065v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01064v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01058v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01062v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01068v.jpg


Stettin/Szczecin

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00100/00118v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00716v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00100/00117v.jpg


München (Munich)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00058v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00072v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00073v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00074v.jpg



Freiburg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00301v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00302v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00200/00298v.jpg


Hamburg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00400v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00402v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00401v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00411v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00404v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00425v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00415v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00412v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00413v.jpg


Karlsruhe

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00315v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00319v.jpg


Magdeburg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01010v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01011v.jpg


Halle

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01006v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01007v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01005v.jpg


Danzig/Gdansk

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00749v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00750v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00751v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00752v.jpg


Bremen

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00369v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00370v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00379v.jpg


Frankfurt am Main

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00382v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00388v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00390v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00300/00391v.jpg


Hannover

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00455v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00448v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00456v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00400/00458v.jpg


Braunschweig (Brunswick)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00500/00504v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00500/00506v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00500/00513v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00500/00511v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00500/00509v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00500/00508v.jpg


Kassel

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00615v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00604v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00605v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00606v.jpg


Lübeck

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00663v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00666v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00664v.jpg


Königsberg/Kaliningrad

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00735v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00737v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00742v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00739v.jpg


Bonn

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00790v.jpg


Köln (Cologne)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00804v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00813v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00816v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00861v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00817v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00814v.jpg


Düsseldorf

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00825v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00800/00826v.jpg


Straßburg/Strasbourg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00017v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00013v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00014v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00000/00015v.jpg

are these coloured photos?

Its absolutely heartbreaking that so many of these beautiful cityscapes have been destroyed and so many rich and beautiful places are now gone. However, when I look at old photos, like these and those from elsewhere, which show similar destruction I realise it is losses like these that have been necessary to teach us in Europe that peace is the only way in Europe.

Nevertheless, we have lost some treasures and we must maintain our heritage from now on. Britain has been terrible in the past. We have destroyed whole cities without the help of war, in the name of modernisation and those places still suffer. No intellectual planners academics and architects can fight the basic fact that human beings like beautiful, complex places with a soul, heritage and are well loved and looked after. We must learn from our mistakes!

veri sad :sleepy:

First of all congratulations Kampflamm for showing us these beautiful cityscapes :applause:
Secondly I would like to say that I feel very sad seeing the heritage that Germany lost,it's simple unbelievable to see what happened to those fantastic and rich cities... :cry:
btw Is there any vintage like these you posted above showing Berliner Dom?
I love that building!!!

WOW. THANK you SO Much. :) They are verye very amazing, thank you. :)

WOW!

Well done Kampflamm! It would have taken a lot of work to put this fine thread together and I for one really appreciate the effort you put in. :)

The other day I picked up off my brother the Loney Planet Guide for Germany and have been reading it everyday going to and from work. My brother had the book when he was working in Germany for a while a couple of years ago.

Reading the guide and seeing these images helps put a lot of things into perspective. Especially when the guide makes mention to certain buildings destroyed in the war and are now being reconstructed. :)

Germany is a top place and hopefully Kampflamm will show us more of past and present. :)

absolutely beautiful

BRAVISSIMO , KAMPFLAMM ! I NEVER CAME ACROSS SOMETHING OF THIS KIND IN MY LIFE BEFORE . TRUE , I WAS ABLE TO SEE LITHOGRAPHS OF CITYSCAPES IN SOME BOOKS BUT NEVER QUITE LIKE THESE CHARMING , HAND-TINTED WORKS OF ART WHICH IS ACTUALLY HISTORY FROZEN THROUGH TIME . I MARVEL AT THE CRISPNESS , CONTRAST AND DEPTH IMBUED BY THESE IMAGES . ONE COULD ALSO NOTE THE GOOD ATMOSPHERIC QUALITY DURING THOSE TIMES AS THE MEANS OF TRANSPORT WERE NOT AUTOMOBILES BUT ELECTRIC STREET CARS AS WELL AS HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES . SIMPLY AMAZING ! IF IT' S ALL POSSIBLE , I EAGERLY LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING MORE OF THESE SPLENDID MATERIAL IN YOUR FUTURE POSTINGS. SHEER OUTSTANDING EFFORT , INDEED !! :) THERENNAISSANCEMAN

WOW again for the second time. Magnificent collection. :)

Pure brilliance

It seems sad that those beautiful cities were destroyed for such an evil ideal

Wroclaw is still very nice !!:D Amazing City :)

Beautiful thread,poor Germany!

Jega!

The Alsacians got their revenge : we're unable to pronounce the names of their towns. I persist to believe we should give back Elsass-Lothringen and invade Wallonia.

Even if I think Benmabillon is very overreacting, Alsatians often consider being called German as an insult.

The Alsacians got their revenge : we're unable to pronounce the names of their towns. I persist to believe we should give back Elsass-Lothringen and invade Wallonia.


Rofl; Give back Alsace to Germany and Corsica to Italy then. Othwise that's not fair.

We should get Wallonia, Aoste, Quebec and the French speaking Switzerland. We could also get Brussels while we're at it. ;)

Alsatians often consider being called German as an insult.

That may be true but then again I didn't call today's Alsacians German (they have French passports after all). Fact of the matter is though that this thread contains pics of Germany at the end of the 19th century and regardless of whether benmabillon likes it or not, Strasbourg was a German city back then.

If Poles can tell that Wroclaw, Szczecin back then were German Cities, French should do the same ;)

Stop destroying this thread and do your business by PM.

It's funny that people despise Prussia when one of its most admired leaders (Frederick the Great) would be a great role model for today's politicians. W/o Prussia Germany would still be disunited, but then again benmabillon would probably be happy about that.

BTW, I hope you remember who actually fired the first shot during the Franco-Prussian war of 1870/71.

Rofl; Give back Alsace to Germany and Corsica to Italy then. Othwise that's not fair.

We should get Wallonia, Aoste, Quebec and the French speaking Switzerland. We could also get Brussels while we're at it.

and give us Normandie back :horse: and a piece of Provence would also be nice :) and let us bye back st.baths. We miss it dearly

and give us Normandie back :horse: and a piece of Provence would also be nice :)


Not even in dream :D.

Don't you want Corsica rather?

that's fine by me :)

BTW, I hope you remember who actually fired the first shot during the Franco-Prussian war of 1870/71.


Since tou mention "the first shot": we also fired the first shot in 1939. France was the first to declare war to Hitler, sacrificing itself for the sake of democracy, while Russia waited until Hitler attacked it in juin 1941, and the US waiting until Hitler declared war in decembre 1941.

Finally you praise German unity under Prussia, but what as been the result? A disunited and peacefull Germany meant Germans spread all around Europe, from the Rhine to Russia. The "German spirit" was at the heart of Europe, from Jewish communities speaking a German dialect, to many rich courts (the Habsburgs, Bayern, Saxen, the cities on the Rhine) all fueling civilisation, with strong cultural dialogue with France. What has brought Prussian unity? German freedoms disappeared, formerly free German spirits became hatefull "beamte" of the Prussian Staat. Germans all around Europe (minorities throughout Mittleeuropa) became suspicious to the local Slav nations, while Pangermans bufoons fantasized world domination and ethnic cleansing to free those minorities from the slavs. Bottom line now Germany is much smaller than a natural and peaceful developpemtn would have brought.
As a German patriot you should hate Prussia for what it has brought you. The French were very pro German civilisation before Bismark (see Madame de Stael's De l'Allemagne). The nation changed enormously because of the Prussian project, which failed awfully. Why are you defending this?

:blahblah: Nationalism was a wide spread problem in the 19th century. German nationalism certainly has little to nothing to do with the emergence of Prussia as a European superpower.

BTW, it's not Prussia's fault that Germany is a shadow of it former self. A small man from Austria started WW2.

:blahblah: Nationalism was a wide spread problem in the 19th century. German nationalism certainly has little to nothing to do with the emergence of Prussia as a European superpower.

BTW, it's not Prussia's fault that Germany is a shadow of it former self. A small man from Austria started WW2.

Are you for real, many Germans supported Hitler....

Since tou mention "the first shot": we also fired the first shot in 1939. France was the first to declare war to Hitler, sacrificing itself for the sake of democracy, while Russia waited until Hitler attacked it in juin 1941, and the US waiting until Hitler declared war in decembre 1941.

Finally you praise German unity under Prussia, but what as been the result? A disunited and peacefull Germany meant Germans spread all around Europe, from the Rhine to Russia. The "German spirit" was at the heart of Europe, from Jewish communities speaking a German dialect, to many rich courts (the Habsburgs, Bayern, Saxen, the cities on the Rhine) all fueling civilisation, with strong cultural dialogue with France. What has brought Prussian unity? German freedoms disappeared, formerly free German spirits became hatefull "beamte" of the Prussian Staat. Germans all around Europe (minorities throughout Mittleeuropa) became suspicious to the local Slav nations, while Pangermans bufoons fantasized world domination and ethnic cleansing to free those minorities from the slavs. Bottom line now Germany is much smaller than a natural and peaceful developpemtn would have brought.
As a German patriot you should hate Prussia for what it has brought you. The French were very pro German civilisation before Bismark (see Madame de Stael's De l'Allemagne). The nation changed enormously because of the Prussian project, which failed awfully. Why are you defending this?


You are absolutely right! Prussia was a tragedy for Germans, for Poles and for half of Europe... Before Prussia, Poland-Lithuania (the official name was Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów - The Republic Of Both Nations) had an alliance with Saxony and lived well with Austria. It was Prussia who invented a plan to divide Rzeczpospolita together with Russia

Thanks for the wonderful images :)


I'm surprised how non-descript Koenigsburg/Kaliningrad looked, actually.

Are you for real, many Germans supported Hitler....

And what does this have to do with what I wrote?

And what does this have to do with what I wrote?

Maybe nothing, I haven't read it all :D
You said: "A small man of Austria started WW2" and I found that very simplistic..

Aren't there some more old pictures from Berlin? Please :)

YEAH more pictures old berlin please!!!!

''The images you will find here show mostly places that no longer exist except in photos and memories. The Old City was nearly totally destroyed by incendiary bombs during World War II.''
http://www.altfrankfurt.com/Default.htm
enjoy!

Germany at the end of the 19th century

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

Correction: Europe at the end of the 19th century

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

:blahblah: Nationalism was a wide spread problem in the 19th century. German nationalism certainly has little to nothing to do with the emergence of Prussia as a European superpower.

BTW, it's not Prussia's fault that Germany is a shadow of it former self. A small man from Austria started WW2.

The German army, navy and industrialists started war production in 1926. A second European conflict would have happened without Hitler and the Nazis.

Superb pictures.

by why people don't built in that style any more..why if it is so beautiful?
i hate all kind of mdern architecture starting from bauhause
and when I look at these photos I feel this place is for me
-------------------mniam------------------------

OMG Wroclaw is so amazing

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01064v.jpg
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/11/11181.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/adikam/DSC04613.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01058v.jpg
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/35/35958.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/01000/01062v.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/coocharz/ot_15.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/coocharz/ot_16.jpg

The Same bridge?

by why people don't built in that style any more..why if it is so beautiful?
i hate all kind of mdern architecture starting from bauhause
and when I look at these photos I feel this place is for me
-------------------mniam------------------------
i agree !! they should still build in that style

old dresden pictures from http://www.altes-dresden.de/

http://www.altes-dresden.de/postplatz2.jpg

http://www.altes-dresden.de/zwingerluft.JPG

http://www.altes-dresden.de/zwingerluft2.jpg

http://www.altes-dresden.de/neuesmuseum.jpg

http://www.altes-dresden.de/Semperoper.jpg

more pictures on the website

by why people don't built in that style any more..why if it is so beautiful?
i hate all kind of mdern architecture starting from bauhause
and when I look at these photos I feel this place is for me
-------------------mniam------------------------

Well... I think it's possible to do. To built in that style. But the workers today, I don't think it's easy for them..
Also the architecture and materials have changed alot..

But I agree... ;)

yes that is right materials are changed very much but workers can still do this:)

potsdamer platz

http://www.fkoester.de/kreiten/img/potsdamer_platz_1919.jpg

http://www.bics.be.schule.de/son/verkehr/kfz/geschich/potsplat/bilder/172400.jpg

http://www.berlin-plus.de/uppics/BP_6fca4029b556171ecb485ff92e11e7e8brandenburgertor1907_23.jpg

http://www.bundestag.de/bau_kunst/bauwerke/Rstg/breich1.gif

http://www.robothek.de/Schloss/Original.JPG

in the next years closed rebuilt

http://www.modocom.de/belfas/schlossgross.jpg

Berlin had before the ww2 ca.5 million inhabitant

It seems that Wroclaw & Gdansk in pictures here ( i visit them last year ) are more beautiful today than on this pictures ...

the 2nd war was the most stupid thing that Europeans have done in all their existence ! hope this will never arrive again !

the cities of today with their architecture look so ugly and unhuman compared to what I've seen in the previous pictures.
That is architecture on a human scale.

:applause: for Kampflamm

^^

And :bash: for today's architects and planners, practically without exception!

Thanks, Kampflamm! :)

:eek: Amazing pictures! It really is a shame that architects in the XX and XXI centuries would rather desing some crappy building than follow the traditional architecture of the different european regions!

True, modern architecture is sometimes to inhumane!

Those pictures are amazing, al those magnificient German cities!
Beautiful!
And good to see what Hitler did to his own people. Jews, Poles, Russians AND Germans are the biggest victimes of Nazism!

Wow what a superb thread Kampy.

I wish we could go back in time and stop the first world war from happening and thus the long term events which saw so many wonderful buildings destroyed.

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-121.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-112.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-107.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-96.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-75.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-02.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-50.jpg

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http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-67.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-21.jpg

http://www.sammler-bonn.de/online-shop/ansichtskarten/deutschland/n10sta/n10sta-55.jpg

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http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings292.jpg

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http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings544.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings440.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings427.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings554.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings556.jpg

Hannover
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0363.jpg
now (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/PIcC_0002.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0361.jpg
today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0362.jpg)

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today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0359.jpg)

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today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/KopievonFile0357.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0352.jpg
today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0355.jpg)

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today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0350.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0349.jpg
today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/KopievonFile0434.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0344.jpg
today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0346.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0339.jpg
today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0348.jpg)

http://www.carfree.com/postcard/oldest/horiz/hannover-hoftheater.jpg
today (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/IMG_0095.jpg)

Makes you wanna throw up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Fuschimuschi/File0362.jpg

What the hell were they thinking?!

Yep. I mean that pic is about 7 years old, it looks a little bit better now but still it's pretty disgusting.

:eek: Amazing pictures! It really is a shame that architects in the XX and XXI centuries would rather desing some crappy building than follow the traditional architecture of the different european regions!





Wassup "Fern", is this short for anything?

Great pictures. It's a shame what has happened in many cases, but unfortunately this can be found everywhere. I also totally agree with everybody about newer kinds of architecture, it can never match the elegance and beauty of this style. I mean I do enjoy alot of it, but for me this older style was some of the best architecture ever, so appealing, so nice. I don't see why it's so taboo to build like this again. I don't see why we cannot continue this kind of buildings. If it's not renovating an old building, you very rarely see it and it's a shame. Especially in places where older buildings were knocked down, for example in Athens, I wish they would knock down the current ugly monstrasities and bring back the elegence and beauty.

i just love this thread more pictures please!!!

Here are some examples from beautiful old Nürnberg, which supposedly is considered as a "successful reconstruction" by many, especially compared to Frankfurt AM or Pforzheim. As you will see, the reconstrucion is far from acceptable. Alt-Nürnberg is lost forever.

http://www.altnuernberg.net/museumsbruecke_nord_sued.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/museum_s_n_1.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/duererpl.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/duererplatz.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/bergstrasse_1.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/bergstrasse_2.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/obst_1.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/obst_2.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/toplerhaus_1.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/topler_2.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/viatishaus_1.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/viatis_2.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/theresienplatz_1.jpg
http://www.altnuernberg.net/theresien_2.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02562d13a.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02562d02a.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02562e07b.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI07678b02a.jpg
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02523e02a.jpg
http://www.manfredwirth.de/nuern839.jpg

so many beutifull buildings losted what a sheme

I think they should have reconstructed those buildings faithfully or build good new architecture. now it is neither here nor there...

of course they should start reconstruction new buildings wont be match there

Here are some examples from beautiful old Nürnberg, which supposedly is considered as a "successful reconstruction" by many, especially compared to Frankfurt AM or Pforzheim. As you will see, the reconstrucion is far from acceptable. Alt-Nürnberg is lost forever.


This is far from being acceptable. Most of the new buildings are plain, sinple and ugly.

Either build completly new and nice or just as it was. This in between is just horrible.

Thank you, Pizarro! :) That's an excellent set of old Nürnberg juxtapositions.

Great pictures. It's a shame what has happened in many cases, but unfortunately this can be found everywhere. I also totally agree with everybody about newer kinds of architecture, it can never match the elegance and beauty of this style. I mean I do enjoy alot of it, but for me this older style was some of the best architecture ever, so appealing, so nice. I don't see why it's so taboo to build like this again. I don't see why we cannot continue this kind of buildings. If it's not renovating an old building, you very rarely see it and it's a shame. Especially in places where older buildings were knocked down, for example in Athens, I wish they would knock down the current ugly monstrasities and bring back the elegence and beauty.

Nicely said, Christos! :okay: I, too, deplore the absence of detail, ornament, elegance and beauty in so many contemporary buildings; they seem to suffer from shortcuts, simplicity and similarity these days. :( Moreover, they are so similar that there hardly seem to be any region-specific buildings any more: what gets plunked into Athens could just as well get plunked into Nuremberg or pretty much anywhere else & vice versa. :down:

I don't understand you guys. The mentioned cities have never offered as much comfort and life quality as they do nowadays despite the ugly reconstruction.

That's because life quality has improved everywhere in Europe. Just imagine how awesome Frankfurt would be if it still had it's old quarters along with the skyscrapers. Or if Berlin looked like it did in the 20s.

Three words: amazing, awesome, stunning!
I think everyone already sad how shame was everything that happened, and how this architecture today is not even built, but some ridiculous boxes.

Hey Kampflamm, thanks for the pics. And why is this in portuguese: "O meu coração só tem uma cor: azul e branco" ?? :)

This is an interesting site about Germany before both world wars : http://www.deutsche-kaiserreich.de/

German colonies : http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/deutsche-kolonien.htm

Austria-Hungary : http://www.donaumonarchie.com/

Königsberg

http://elc.kaliningrad.ru/kaliningrad/kaliningrad_left_002big.jpg

http://elc.kaliningrad.ru/kaliningrad/kaliningrad_left_001big.jpg

http://echo.ec.funpic.de/webpages/Koenigsberg_Partie_am_Schlossteich.jpg

http://echo.ec.funpic.de/webpages/Koenigsberg_Muenzplatz_.jpg

http://echo.ec.funpic.de/webpages/Koenigsberg_Muenzplatz_2_.jpg

Wow, thanks for the beautiful pictures. but its sad to see most of these buildings been destroyed.

this was berlin :runaway:


Molkenmarkt
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft2.jpg

http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft3.jpg
Alexanderplatz
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft4.jpg
Hausvogteiplatz
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft5.jpg
Berlin castle
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft6.jpg
Goverment quarter
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft7.jpg
Gendarmenmarkt
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft8.jpg
Unter den Linden
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft9.jpg
Pariser Platz
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft10.jpg
Lehrter Bahnhof
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft11.jpg
Potsdamer Platz
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft12.jpg
Schöneberg
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft15.jpg
Kaiser Wilhelm Gedächtniskirche
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft16.jpg
The Potsdamer Platz too
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft17.jpg
Leipziger Platz
http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft18.jpg

Wow. Great Pictures!! I have never seen them before :) thank u

In that pic you can see the Nikolaiviertel and Berlin's town hall

http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft2.jpg

Today

http://www.aac-berlin.de/luftbild/luft210699-08-19a%20nikolaiviertel%20mitte%20ft%20r%20rathaus.jpg

http://www.luftschiffreise.de/bilder/zf-rotes-rathaus-zoom.jpg

http://www.luftschiffreise.de/bilder/zf-alex2-zoom.jpg

Berlin Dom and Schloss

http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft3.jpg

Berliner Dom (castle would be at the top of the pic)

http://www.luftschiffreise.de/bilder/zf-m-island-zoom.jpg

Marienkirche...now all alone

http://www.aiglon.ch/langlink/berlin/Fernsehturm%20und%20Marienkirche%202.JPG

http://premium1.uploadit.org/Aviller71//marienkirche.jpg

http://www.aiglon.ch/langlink/berlin/Berlin%20-%20Aussicht%20vom%20Fernsehturm.JPG

http://www.luftschiffreise.de/bilder/zf-alex1-large.jpg

Marienkirche, Town Hall and Nikolaiviertel all in one pic

http://www.luftschiffreise.de/bilder/zf-alex2-large.jpg

Comparison:

http://premium1.uploadit.org/Aviller71//comparison1.jpg

:eek: niceeeeeeeeeee!!

Breitscheidplatz

http://mitglied.lycos.de/Pomerania2/images/berlinluft16.jpg

http://www.luftbild-und-flugservice.de/Galerie/Bild_18/Breitscheidplatz_Berlin.jpg

http://www.luftbild-und-flugservice.de/Galerie/Bild_17/Berlin_Breitscheidplatz_Gedachtniskirche.jpg

Wonderful! What an absurd amount of beautiful cities...they just don't build them like they used to. But I agree with Christos - I don't see why we can't. Many of these buildings were built of styles that were at least a century old if not more. But what one notices even more is the pleasing density of the buildings - they create wonderful atmospheric squares, streets and larger cityscapes. Compare this to the newer architecture in the DDR part of Berlin - flat, featuresless expanses punctuated by the occassional featureless box. Horrid. They should rebuild it all!

That's just a matter of will and pride. Once architects understand there's no shame in imitating predecessors and when mayors develop a minimal architectural taste, Europe will be able to revive the glory of its destroyed towns.

Wonderful! What an absurd amount of beautiful cities...they just don't build them like they used to. But I agree with Christos - I don't see why we can't. Many of these buildings were built of styles that were at least a century old if not more. But what one notices even more is the pleasing density of the buildings - they create wonderful atmospheric squares, streets and larger cityscapes. Compare this to the newer architecture in the DDR part of Berlin - flat, featuresless expanses punctuated by the occassional featureless box. Horrid. They should rebuild it all!

True... I would like to see all German cities rebuild themselves with classical-styled architecture, and North American cities filled those skyscrapers. Germans don't need them, and they don't like them, but their DDR/FRG fathers (born in 1910s/1920s/1930s) love commieblocks.

Unfortunately this all remembers me on the book 1984, erasing the old history and replacing them with new structure, a big majority of people living here don't have idea hod did German cities looked like in pre-war times. It is sad there wasn't at least 80% reconstruction, if yes than only maybe marketplace or plain reconstruction in Nürnberg. When I am walking through cities here i always try to imagine how beautiful it was before... I hope sometimes in future the old glory will be restaurated!

i found "new" pics about berlin 1929

alexanderplatz
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone05.jpg

mühlendamm
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone14.jpg

rathaus
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone15.jpg

marien-kirche
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone17.jpg

u-bahn inselbrücke
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone23.jpg

kaiser wilhelm brücke
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone27.jpg

neue wache
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone40.jpg

zueghaus und kronprinzenpalast
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone41.jpg

schauspielhaus
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone53.jpg

bahnhof friedrichstraße
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone54.jpg

verlaghaus mosse
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone57.jpg

potsdamer platz
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone58.jpg

http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone59.jpg

warenhaus werthheim
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone60.jpg

französische straße
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone61.jpg

reichstag
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone64.jpg

kaiser wilhelm gedächtniskirche
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone75.jpg

august viktoria platz
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone76.jpg

tiergarten
http://www.theodor-springmann.de/andy/ber_stone78.jpg

Today's architects do not have a clear vision of how cities should be built. In their attempt to avoid copying older styles, they create extravagant and outrageous architecture which just does not fit in with the older buildings. They do not understand the concept of "ensemble". It is possible to create new styles of architecture, yet maintain the characteristic features of a certain area so that the new buildings do not clash or ruin the older ones. For example, Venice has seen many different types of architecture ranging from romanesque, gothic, renessance, etc. but in the end, all houses are still characteristically "Venetian". In Germany, there has been a positive creative architecture movement in the 1990's, but that seems to be dissappearing in favor of a more brutalist movement lately, more in line with the 1970's except with more glass. A positive example of newer architecture which still blends in can be found in the new buildings (1990's) in the Hackescher Markt in Berlin. I will come up with other (and better) examples later.

http://www.terrybarth.com/Berlin%20August%202004/City%20&%20Architecture/images/Hackesher%20Markt%20KIF_1331.jpg

:bow: Unseen photos... Thank you again moto :)

yeah I agree with you Piazrro. Hackescher Markt is a good example of nice modern architecture.

Some more nice modern/old architecture in Berlin.

http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~noth/_bilder/bb1005/red_150_5073.jpg

http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~noth/_bilder/harm/red_139_3957.jpg

http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~noth/_bilder/bb0505/red_141_4112.jpg[/quote]

Source of pictures: http://www.aphforum.de

:cry::cry::cry: can we be more stupid than this? human race should be banned of this earth.

AWESOME thread Kampy!;) How is it possible that it took me this long to finally find it?:bash:

I had seen thousands of old black and white pics but this colored ones are just outstanding!!! Thanks a million!

For those who like old pics like myself, take a look at this:
www.bildindex.de
you are going to LOVE it!:D

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/Alexanderp_latzum1940.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/alexanderplatz1904.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/bahnhof_friedrich.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/bahnhof_friedrich2.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/zeughaus.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/berlin_splendid_1908.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/berlin_apollo_1907.jpg

wow the architecture back then in germany was amazing, I seen buildings in other countries that are over 100 years old and they look like crap. Awesome post!

Architecture of late 19th century was probably the peak of beauty of cities. Nothing of the modern crap can ever match it :(

Architecture of late 19th century was probably the peak of beauty of cities. Nothing of the modern crap can ever match it :(

100% agree, well said. Everything now is glass and all that crap..

That's the thing. Most average people like old architecture and would prefer if new buildings were built in a somewhat more conservative way. But then architects come along and tell us that that would be kitsch and that new and exciting stuffs needs to include giant glass facades etc. :blahblah:

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings163.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings372.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings182.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings183.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings186.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings208.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings209.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings224.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings225.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings226.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings292.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings323.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings373.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings367.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings399.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings426.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings435.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings436.jpg

http://www.silentwall.com/SceneryBuildings544.jpg

I don't understand why can't we copy that architecture again? Doesn't even have to be reconstructions, but building entirely new buildings in resemblance of late 19th and early 20th centuries architecture.

So what that it's kitch - if it looks good? After all, it's for the people, not classifications of whether its kitch or not.

@ Kampflamm

Wo hast Du denn die Bilder von der ersten Seite her? Ich bin mal dem Link gefolgt, aber da kann man sie sich leider nicht richtig (z.B.: nach Städten sortiert) anschauen, sieht mir eher so aus als ob sie nur dort auf dem Server liegen. Gibt es zu den Bildern nicht auch eine übersichtliche Website?

nice photo of Cologne at the end of the 19th century
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/6026/koelnluftaufnahme3vt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Awww...makes me wanna cry...

To all modern architects:
This was true beauty!

Wo hast Du denn die Bilder von der ersten Seite her? Ich bin mal dem Link gefolgt, aber da kann man sie sich leider nicht richtig (z.B.: nach Städten sortiert) anschauen, sieht mir eher so aus als ob sie nur dort auf dem Server liegen. Gibt es zu den Bildern nicht auch eine übersichtliche Website?

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/pgzquery.html und dann nach Städten suchen.

Quite a few pics: http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/p?pp/app,grabill,lomax,pan,wtc,ils,vv,gottscho,detr,bbcards,prok,nclc,fsa:@FILREJ(@FIELD(CALL+@od1(LOT%2013411))+@FIELD(COLLID+coll))::SortBy=DOCID

Dresden

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09077v.jpg

Church on the right was destroyed during WW2 and never rebuilt
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09076v.jpg

Munich

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09026v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09025v.jpg

Nuremberg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09034v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09033v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09059v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09060v.jpg

Berlin

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09080v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09081v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09082v.jpg

Berlin

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03483g12a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03483g03a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09234g18a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g06a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496c09a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496c07a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496c11a.jpg

I love Germany :drool:

Some more pics of Nuremberg before the war

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02518c07a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02519c10a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02523g01a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI07678a03a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02523g04a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI02534a05a.jpg

Stuttgart

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09018a01a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI13460e08a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI13460e11a.jpg

Everything was destroyed during WW2

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI13460e12a.jpg

Frankfurt

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04662c13a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04662c12a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI00557g06a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04662b14a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI10642g08a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04669e05a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04662b09a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04661g14a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04661g12a.jpg

Gives you an idea how much was destroyed

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI05255d02a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04665f10a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04666a03a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04665g13a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04665f11a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI10646e10a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04666b12a.jpg

wooow amaizing pictures i stiil cant belive that dosnt exist any more
why germany dont want reconstruction this buildings??? why why why?????

Why?? Why??:cry: What is wrong with humanity? WW2 has to be the most tragic event in all history, mainly because of the 60 million people that lost teir lives but also for what was lost. Imagine what Berlin could have been like today if it wasn´t for the war.

Another depressing thread:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=390011&page=6

thanks suomipoika for that link is really good one!

Magnificent Pictures guys! Too bad some of those buildings were destroyed:( such a shame

BRESLAU

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/4/004265.jpg
today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/106/106990.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/108/108511.jpg
today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/4/004352.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/37/37820.jpg
yesterday (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/122/122233.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/28/28604.jpg

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/60/60913.jpg
today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/89/89712.jpg)

photos from wroclaw.dolny.slask.pl

Poland did a great job of restoring cities like Breslau, Stettin and Danzig (of course there are some exceptions here and there). The rynek in Breslau's simply amazing.

But there is a lot of sad examples, you don't have to search a lot to find out.
Recently Breslau's market square is a great monument of Polish, especially Lviv's architects, because the idea of rebuilding market square was their. The rebuilding started very soon just few years after war, and then was the best time for historical rebuiling, later most of new projects was "modern"
Most of new polish population in the city after war was from "taken lands" lots of them were from Lviv.

Breslau again

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/34/34630.jpg
Today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/103/103147.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/5/005650.jpg
Today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/106/106497.jpg)

and some sad pictures:

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/34/34161.jpg
Today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/34/34546.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/0/000907.jpg
After War (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/27/27042.jpg)
1960's (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/27/27932.jpg)

Breslau's neumarkt
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/18/18072.jpg
1970s (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/11/11362.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/1/001805.jpg
today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/53/53355.jpg)

http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/5/005900.jpg
today (http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/11/11641.jpg)

By bombing Germany to shit the Allied clearly showed that they´re no better than the nazis.

I think that communism is even worse....

^^True

Gdansk (Danzig)

1945

http://www.danzig-online.pl/color/c2.jpg

now

http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/img_b/54/47_file.jpg
http://images1.fotosik.pl/223/dd8a916f673847d0.jpg

1945

http://www.danzig-online.pl/color/c5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v635/delfin_pl/100_1839.jpg

1945

http://www.danzig-online.pl/color/c6.jpg

now

http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/2006_12/14644_filebig.jpg
http://images2.fotosik.pl/215/9bab82f56fffbef1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y165/pdworakowski/100_2643.jpg

1945

http://www.danzig-online.pl/color/c7.jpg

now

http://images3.fotosik.pl/214/889355345194199f.jpg
http://images4.fotosik.pl/178/3ab0e09b64202261.jpg

overall 1945

http://www.danzig-online.pl/1945.jpg

today :cheers:

http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/img_b/54/68_file.jpg
http://www.gdansk.pl/g2/img_b/54/53_file.jpg
http://images2.fotosik.pl/221/c5200d6e2571733d.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Gdansk_2004.jpg

I think Germans are not ashamed the way Poles rebuilt Danzig ;)

I think most Germans would acknowledge that the Poles did a far better job of rebuilding their cities.

Gdansk is beautiful example of reconstruction... Reconstruction is a blessing for european cities! But, unfortunately, there is so little, so I'm so glad for every, even little recontruction in Europe!

Sweet!

Does anyone know what % of the buildings, which were destroyed, has never been rebuilt?

Alot of landmarks have been rebuilt, but in Berlin, I think they should refacade all the newer buildings downtown to look older like they used to be before evil destroyed it.

guys do yoy have any helpfull links where i can find more old pictures from germany????

http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/init?sid={d2efdd4b-7d54-4576-817e-fee705b961d7}&cnt=5376&%3Asysprotocol=http%3A&%3Asysbrowser=ie5&%3Alang=de&

I think most Germans would acknowledge that the Poles did a far better job of rebuilding their cities.

Surprise...
Poland didnt have the problem that Germany had.
Here we had Ex-Nazis who worked for Speer and later became Bauräte in Hamburg,Hannover,Düsseldorf, etc,etc....
Those guys wanted a "loosened up" (aufgelockerte) city structure.
That was Hitlers ideal. He despised the old city structures because, according to him, they werent fit for the transport demands of the car age.
In fact it has been noted on several occasions, that Hitler didnt have much of a problem with the allied bombing raids.
Quite the contrary.
The same goes for Speer and his working colleagues who later oversaw Germanys rebuilding progress in the west and in the east.
The worst thing is that the people who ruined our cities have become professors and were able to teach their mindbogginly stupid theories.
They then probably retired somewhere on the countryside, leaving the mess to the others.
Without the lefty house occupying scene, Berlin would look a zillion times worse now for example.

About Breslau, this one is quite nice
Before(1996)
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/9/9913.jpg
After(2004)
http://www.bieniasz.com/images/p_blekslon_01_b.jpg
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/foto/10/10174.jpg

The war was so uber useless, a travesty! So many architectural gems lost forever b/c of Nazi's and they hurt the German ppl. Bombing of German cities, and other cities for that matter ruined the beautiful cities that once were, and which now draw throngs on tourists.

The worst thing is , that probably more old architecture was destroyed after the war than during it, thanks to all of those EX-Nazis in high positions.
If you look at Berlin and what architectural gems actually survived the war and were later pulled down (oftentimes in the 80s) you really can get depressive

Has this been posted yet?
The Karstadt shopping mall at the Hermannplatz in Neukölln/Berlin.
Built in 1929.
The building even had a sprinkler system in place in case of a fire.

Survived the bombing raids but was blown up by SS units who were retreating from the russians.
They feared that it would serve as a sniper post or a artillery lookout.
:ohno:

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/karstadt/pic1x.jpg
http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/karstadt/pic2x.jpg
http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/karstadt/pic3x.jpg
http://www.berliner-untergrundbahn.de/kar10.jpg


And this is how it looks today:

http://www.berlin-hermannplatz.de/karstadt/pic7x.jpg
http://kantel.server-wg.de/zebu/archives/hermannplatz.jpg
In the background you can still see a small rest of the former Karstadt

All major rail stations in Berlin survived the war btw.
The Anhalter Station, the Lehrter station etc...
Both were pulled down even though they were both back in operation after the war had finished.
Both of the stations were replaced with.......NO MANS LAND.
Congratulations....

Lehrter Station:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/43/1879_lehrter_bhf.jpg/800px-1879_lehrter_bhf.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8f/Berlin_Lehrter_Bahnhof_um_1900.jpg/796px-Berlin_Lehrter_Bahnhof_um_1900.jpg

Anhalter station: (was operational after the war. later the americans pulled down the roof)

http://www.berlinstreet.de/geschichte/clips/125anhalterbhf1_gr.jpg
http://www.feierabend.de/images/channel/web/5/4/g.18444.jpg

And whats left today: (The portal would have been also pulled down hasnt it been for the protests of the art scene)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Train_station_Berlin_Anhalter_Bahnhof_Cladding.jpg/800px-Train_station_Berlin_Anhalter_Bahnhof_Cladding.jpg


These are the former railtracks in the Yorckstrasse that have led to the station.

http://bgui.de/wp-content/images/0612/Yorckstrasse21.jpg

Recently, some CDU politicians (if I remember correctly) wanted them to be torn down aswell.
Thankfully that didnt happen.


Friedrichstrasenpassage, now also known as Tacheles:
was a giant shopping mall in Berlin.
Is survived the war with minor damages.
In the 1980s it was pulled down however.
It was stated that the building wasnt stable and could collapse.
It was later found out by experts that had been hired by the local art scene that this was in fact not true.
But that came too late. The mall had been pulled down and only a tiny fraction could be saved.
Today most of the space is a wasteland.........

http://www.360-berlin.de/images/hbe/histber60-th.jpg

As it is now: (one of the huge former entrance portals located on the Oranienburgerstrasse can be seen on the left)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Berlin_Kunsthaus_Tacheles.jpg/800px-Berlin_Kunsthaus_Tacheles.jpg

This is the view from the Friedrichstrasse.
The surviving portal can be seen from behind.
Where theres grass now, used to be the rest of the shopping centre.
Again, that was all pulled down in the 80s for nothing at all.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/TachelesBack.jpg/800px-TachelesBack.jpg

Now one of the worst examples of architecture in post war Berlin:


This is the Belle Alliance Platz

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Berlin_Belle_Alliance_Platz_um_1900.jpg/800px-Berlin_Belle_Alliance_Platz_um_1900.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Mehringplatz1900.jpg/790px-Mehringplatz1900.jpg
Here the underground station can be seen:
http://www.berlinstreet.de/orte/clips/halleschestor01.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Berlin_Hallesches_Tor_1900.jpg/797px-Berlin_Hallesches_Tor_1900.jpg


And......

Today:

http://www.aac-berlin.de/luftbild/luft220900-08-19%20mehringplatz%20ft.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Mehringplatz1.jpg/800px-Mehringplatz1.jpg
http://www.archiv-der-zeichen.de/orte/mehrpl/backme.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Mehringplatz2.jpg/800px-Mehringplatz2.jpg


Its so ugly itll take your breath away.
even worse: Of all the social housing estates in Berlin they had to renovate exactly these.......
I would drop a MOAB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_all_bombs) on that area.

In der völligen Zerstörung sahen Stadtplaner und Architekten auch eine Chance zu völlig neuen Entwicklungen. Der Architekt Hans Scharoun gewann einen Wettbewerb von 1959/1962 (vor bzw. nach dem Bau der Berliner Mauer) für die Bebauung des Mehringplatzes. Für Scharoun spielte die Gestaltung des sozialen Lebensraumes eine entscheidende Rolle, er propagierte die „bewohnbare Stadtlandschaft“, eine „…anstelle von Straße und Straßenbild parkähnliche Grünlandschaft, in die sich die zum Block vereinten Wohnzellen hineinlagern…“.

1968 übernahm der Architekt Werner Düttmann die Arbeiten am Mehringplatz von seinem Lehrer Scharoun, der 1972 starb. Die stadtplanerischen Vorgaben hatten sich inzwischen grundlegend gewandelt. Der Platz sollte nun ein verdichtetes Wohngebiet nach den Maßgaben des Sozialen Wohnungsbaus werden. Da die finanziellen Mittel knapp waren, musste mit stark schematisierten Wohnmodulen gearbeitet werden. Düttmann gelang dennoch ein eindrucksvolles Ergebnis. Das ganze Ensemble stellt sich als markante räumliche Komposition dar. Zwei konzentrische Ringe von Wohngebäuden mit vier und sechs Stockwerken umschließen den Platz, der als reine Fußgängerzone gestaltet wurde. Dazu kam eine Reihe von Ergänzungsbauten im nahen Umfeld. Die historische Straßenführung wurde verändert, Wilhelm- und Lindenstraße münden seitlich in die Uferstraße am Landwehrkanal, die befahrbare Friedrichstraße endet vor dem nördlichen Zugang zum Platz.

:ohno:

All major rail stations in Berlin survived the war btw.
The Anhalter Station, the Lehrter station etc...
Both were pulled down even though they were both back in operation after the war had finished.
Both of the stations were replaced with.......NO MANS LAND.
Congratulations....


Why? To make room for the wall or something?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Berlin_Belle_Alliance_Platz_um_1900.jpg/800px-Berlin_Belle_Alliance_Platz_um_1900.jpg



http://www.archiv-der-zeichen.de/orte/mehrpl/backme.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Mehringplatz2.jpg/800px-Mehringplatz2.jpg


Its so ugly itll take your breath away.
even worse: Of all the social housing estates in Berlin they had to renovate exactly these.......
I would drop a MOAB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_all_bombs) on that area.



:ohno:

This is really sad. But at least, we know what it used to look like, so it may be rebuilt fully in the future.

Why? To make room for the wall or something?

No, for nothing at all.
The stations werent in use at some point so they thought that they should pull them down. :ohno:



This is really sad. But at least, we know what it used to look like, so it may be rebuilt fully in the future.

I really hope so.
But the chances are slimm.
It would be great to open the Friedrichstrasse up like it used to be and let traffic through.
But as I said, those estates have been renovated so it doesnt look good.

I don't cry too much about 19th century architecture, since reconstructing something in that style would suffice. It is the destroyed medieval town centers of cities such as Frankfurt and Nurnberg that I pity the most; the only way to rebuild them is through 100% reconstruction, and nothing less.

-Ataman

Poland didnt have the problem that Germany had. Here we had Ex-Nazis who worked for Speer and later became Bauräte in Hamburg,Hannover,Düsseldorf, etc,etc....

...Without the lefty house occupying scene, Berlin would look a zillion times worse now for example.

^^Greatest pile of nonsense I have ever read.:nuts:

You posted pictures of the ugly Mehring Platz as example for your weird thesis. But the responsible architects Werner Düttmann (who finished his architectural education after the war) and his teacher Hans Sharoun have not been Nazis, quite on the contrary:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Scharoun

"During the NAZI era he remained in Germany...In this time he only built a few family houses...He recorded his architectural ideas and visions secretly in numerous watercolors. With these imaginary architectures he prepared mentally for a time after the Nazis...After the end of the Second World War he was appointed by the Allies to the Berlin city building council and named director of the Abteilung Bau- und Wohnungswesen des Magistrats (Department of Building and Municipal Housing)."

Everybody knows that the "Bausünden" (architectural sins) of the post war era have been commited by architects who wanted to make a fundamental break with the Nazi's and every architectural tradition before them. To claim that it have been Nazis who were responsible for these sins is falsification of history.

Hitler didn't hate old architecture. He was quite happy about some of the bombing raids in certain areas of Berlin because he wanted to replace that architecture with his own monumental, pseudo-classicist buildings.

Does this look like Bauhaus-architecture to you?

http://www.willigis2004.de/pic/nuernberg/kongresshalle1.jpg

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/bauten/bauten6.jpg

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/images/bauten/bauten5.jpg

http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/7818/staedtischemusikhochschule5tn.jpg

http://forum.axishistory.com/files/officebuilding2_385.jpg

http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/art-history/werckmeister/April_29_1999/DomeView.jpg

^^Greatest pile of nonsense I have ever read.:nuts:

The truth is hard to come by right?
Mike, sorry but you seem to know little to nothing about Berlin and its post war architecture.
I used to live in an area that was one of the districts that were left untouched by the war and postwar architecture.
Its a great area.
However it should have all been pulled down and be replaced with estates such as you would find at the Hallesche Tor and the Mehringplatz 1.
The left wing house occupying scene made sure that this didnt happen.
Thats just one little example.
I could name you a hundred more.
Id suggest that you inform yourself first before writing about this topic really.


You posted pictures of the ugly Mehring Platz as example for your weird thesis. But the responsible architects Werner Düttmann (who finished his architectural education after the war) and his teacher Hans Sharoun have not been Nazis, quite on the contrary:

Hans Scharoun (you write that wit SCH btw) stayed in Germany at a time when many of his colleagues left Germany becuase unlike him they couldnt live under a Nazi government.
He worked as an architect in Germany and was taking care of the damage that had been caused by the air raids.
Look, the guy didnt have too much trouble with the Nazis unlike others (especially from the Bauhaus movement) who had to flee from Germany.
In fact he was a Conservative.
However, I have simply pointed out that the architects fucked up there and thats that.


If you want to btw. Ill go to the Library tomorrow, find the Spiegel Extra issue about the bombing raids and write the whole article of an architecture professor who has analized the post war reconstruction period.
Its no secret at all that the Bauräte in several cities (Hamburg, Hannover, Düsseldorf) were all Ex-Nazis who despised the old city structures more than anything else.
They were quite happy about the bombing raids because it enabled them to recreate the german cities in their way, which was a loosened up city structure as favoured by Hitler.

He also aknowledges the work of the house occupying scene which saved hundreds of houses in Berlin from being destroyed.
The same goes for the art scene.
Why, if Im so wrong according to you, dont you look up on the history of the Friedrichstrassenpassage or the Gasometers in the Prenzlauer Berg for starters?
These are examples from eastern Germany btw. where the art scene did a lot to save some of Berlins architectural gems.

Some anti pulldown Hausbesetzer slogans:

Jeder Stein, der abgerissen, wird von uns zurückgeschmissen

Instandbesetzen statt Kaputtbesitzen

Macht ihr unsere Häuser platt - nehmen wir uns den Rest der Stadt!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Ungomshuset_demolition.jpg/450px-Ungomshuset_demolition.jpg

In Berlin-Kreuzberg richtete sich die Bewegung v. a. gegen die Flächensanierungspläne des Senats, welche im einzelnen den Abriss von Altbauten und den Neubau von Trabantensiedlungen zum Ziel hatten. Dazu ließen die Hauseigentümer die meist noch gut erhaltenen Altbauten durch niedrige Investitionen oftmals gezielt verfallen. Berlins erste Bewegung endete im Jahre 1981, als der Senat die „Berliner Linie“ verkündete, welche keine Neubesetzungen mehr möglich machte. Zuvor hatten sich die Besetzer über die Legalisierung der Häuser in zwei Lager gespalten: Die einen wollten ihr neues Wohn- und Lebensverhältnis sichern, während die anderen den Besetzerstatus und ihre damit verbundenen politischen Ziele nicht aufgeben wollten.

Hitler didn't hate old architecture. He was quite happy about some of the bombing raids in certain areas of Berlin because he wanted to replace that architecture with his own monumental, pseudo-classicist buildings.

Wrong.
Hitler HATED the old city structures.
He said that often enough, most famously when he had a meeting with Göbbels.
He clearly stated that he was happy about the bombing raids. (not just in some areas of Berlin as you stated but in the whole of Germany)
He thought that the old cities werent fit for the upcoming car age and that those old buildings were built with "shoddy quality".
In 1944 Speer and his colleagues (of whom many should become Bauräte shortly after the war) travelled through Germany and noted quite happily that a lot of the old city structures are gone.
Therefore they thought it would be easier for them to re-create the cities in their very own way after the Endsieg.

Does this look like Bauhaus-architecture to you?

Does this look like "old architecture" to you?
To me it looks like tasteless Nazi architecture btw.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/ProraSeeseite.jpg/800px-ProraSeeseite.jpg

Wrong.
Hitler HATED the old city structures.

Your are twisting Kamplamm's words. Kampflamm said that Hitler liked classic architecture. And you replied that this is wrong and then you go on talking about "old city structures" - something very differnt and with which you obviously mean naturally grown often medieval slightly chaotic networks of streets and buildings.

Yes, Hitler was against these chaotic and unplanned structures in many areas of of Berlin. He dreamed of creating wide and straight streets that were bordered by pseudo-classicist buildings in order to create a proper representation for the empire he wanted to rule over. He oriented itself at examples such as classic Rome and Paris.

Note though that this is completely different from the architectural opinion that was dominant in post war Germany. These post war architects were completely against classic architecture and empire like pompous parade streets. They might also have liked open spaces but that is not enough to claim that their concepts were identical to the NAZI's. Just have a look at examples of Nazi architecture and post war architecture, they are very different.

Does this look like "old architecture" to you?
To me it looks like tasteless Nazi architecture btw.

There is tasteless Nazi architecture and good Nazi architecture. Overall though I think Nazi architecture was more beautiful than post war architecture since they respected and oriented themselves at classic designs. Something that the post war architects with their conviction of a "break with the past" sadly failed to do.

http://www.robsacc.nl/images/galleries/246pavillion.JPG

http://www.dataphone.se/~ms/speer/mosaic2.jpg

http://www.usmbooks.com/images/ARCH38/Arch38a.jpg

I used to live in an area that was one of the districts that were left untouched by the war and postwar architecture.
Its a great area.
However it should have all been pulled down and be replaced with estates such as you would find at the Hallesche Tor and the Mehringplatz 1.

And I suspect it have been old Nazis who wanted to tear down those buildings, right?:lol:


Hans Scharoun (you write that wit SCH btw) stayed in Germany at a time when many of his colleagues left Germany becuase unlike him they couldnt live under a Nazi government.

Yes, yes....and about 300,000 Jews did also not flee from Germany. According to your logic they were Nazis. Well, of course they weren't. Not everybody has the will to leave his homeland just because circumstances are bad. And the principle of hope for better times can help get from day to day.


He worked as an architect in Germany and was taking care of the damage that had been caused by the air raids.

Rebuilding bomb damaged private buildings doesn't make him a Nazi nor a sympathizer.


Look, the guy didnt have too much trouble with the Nazis unlike others (especially from the Bauhaus movement) who had to flee from Germany.

The majority of Germans did not have trouble with the Nazis. If you keep silent and mind you own business you in general won't provocate authorities to target you. That once again doesn't mean though that he was a symphatizer or supporter. The Wikipedia article clearly states that he worked in secrecy on his archictural dreams (which were obviously not in line with the Nazi doctrine) hoping for the Nazi rule to end so that he could start building on them.


In fact he was a Conservative.

Thanks for clarifying that he wasn't a Nazi.

Your are twisting Kamplamm's words. Kampflamm said that Hitler liked classic architecture.

Its you who is twisting words.
Kampflamm mentioned "old" architecture.
Theres a difference.
And yes, Hitler despised old architecture (not everything though, just like he didnt despise all modern architecture), and most of all old city structures.


something very differnt and with which you obviously mean naturally grown often medieval slightly chaotic networks of streets and buildings.

not just medieval structures to be correct.
He also thought of Berlin to be chaotic (and even lebesfeindlich) for example even though it did not have a medieval city centre like other cities.

Yes, Hitler was against these chaotic and unplanned structures in many areas of of Berlin. He dreamed of creating wide and straight streets that were bordered by pseudo-classicist buildings in order to create a proper representation for the empire he wanted to rule over. He oriented itself at examples such as classic Rome and Paris.

He also wanted a "loosened up" city structure with much fewer density than Berlin had back then.
He despised the old architecture of Hamburg aswell btw.
Additionally he wanted to re-create the old decentralized living conditions of rural Germany because he thought that it suited the workers force best
This decentralization with additonal greenery to szuite the worker has been applied at the Mehringplatz 1 aswell btw.

Note though that this is completely different from the architectural opinion that was dominant in post war Germany.

Not at all.
Hitler predicted quite well how Germany would look like after the war.
More decentralized, loosened up city structures, workers estates, car friendly, no medieval town centers which are in the way, etc..
Again look at the Bauräte of some big cities.
In many cases you will come across Ex-Nazis who worked together with Speer.
In one instance a Baurat in Düsseldorf has built a perfect Nazi building in the 60s for the city.



These post war architects were completely against classic architecture and empire like pompous parade streets.

Parade streets couldnt be realized in the west due to the de-militarization.
In east Germany it looked different though.
Communist and Nazi architecture have a lot in common btw.
Especially in Germany and thats no surprise at all.


They might also have liked open spaces but that is not enough to claim that their concepts were identical to the NAZI's. Just have a look at examples of Nazi architecture and post war architecture, they are very different.

I many cases Nazi city planning philosophy has been applied in post war Germany.
Ill get that article tomorrow and quote some statements for you.
Nazi architecture and city planning is not just about parade streets and big squares.
Theres much more to it.
And its known that the city planners in places like Hamburg or Hannover were Ex-Nazis that had worked directly with Speer.
Those cities dont look classical to me btw.

There is tasteless Nazi architecture and good Nazi architecture.

Tastes differ.....

Overall though I think Nazi architecture was more beautiful than post war architecture since they respected and oriented themselves at classic designs.

Nazi architecture was a weird mix of all kinds of architecture styles thrown together.
Funnily enough the same rule applies to communist architecture aswell btw.


Something that the post war architects with their conviction of a "break with the past" sadly failed to do.

You should understand that our post war architecture was for the most part being formed by people who used to be either Nazis or people who worked happily together with the regime.

And I suspect it have been old Nazis who wanted to tear down those buildings, right?:lol:

No idea.
However I do know which people and from which political spectrum tried to make sure that those buildings wouldnt be destroyed.


Yes, yes....and about 300,000 Jews did also not flee from Germany.

Fine what happened to them?
After the war there were around 30.000 Jews who stayed here in Germany

Not everybody has the will to leave his homeland just because circumstances are bad.

Thats the point!

Rebuilding bomb damaged private buildings doesn't make him a Nazi nor a sympathizer.

Never claimed such a thing.

The majority of Germans did not have trouble with the Nazis. If you keep silent and mind you own business you in general won't provocate authorities to target you.

Sure, but that was the problem that we had here.
That everyone minded his own business.
Thats the reason why millions of people died.

That once again doesn't mean though that he was a symphatizer or supporter.

Again, I never claimed such a thing.

Does this look like "old architecture" to you?
To me it looks like tasteless Nazi architecture btw.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/ProraSeeseite.jpg/800px-ProraSeeseite.jpg

Obviously when you're building something that's a kilometer long building, you don't pay too much attention to detail.

So what are we talking about now? Architecture or city planning? Hitler might have been fond of wide avenues but he certainly would have been no fan of German post-war architecture which put an emphasis on taking cues from "democratic" architectural styles such as the Bauhaus or other non-ornamental styles. Why do you think every building with a column or a pilaster was/is demonized? Because Hitler liked these sorts of things. You had the somber 20s and then the monumentalist 30s...which no doubt were somewhat influenced by more functionalists buildings. Nonetheless you saw a return to the "old way" of building things.

Parade streets couldnt be realized in the west due to the de-militarization.
In east Germany it looked different though.
Communist and Nazi architecture have a lot in common btw.
Especially in Germany and thats no surprise at all.

So Communist and Nazi architecture had a lot in common (which I agree with...at least while Stalin was still around)...but you also claim that Nazi and post-war West German architecture had a lot in common. Strange...

I don't think we have these sorts of buildings in West Germany:

http://www.bigfoto.com/europe/germany/berlin/karl-marx-allee.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Karl-Marx-Allee_Block_C_Nord_Berlin_April_2006_068.jpg/800px-Karl-Marx-Allee_Block_C_Nord_Berlin_April_2006_068.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/K-M-Allee_4a.jpg/761px-K-M-Allee_4a.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Karl-Marx-Allee_Berlin_6.jpg/450px-Karl-Marx-Allee_Berlin_6.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Stalinbau_Karl-Marx-Allee_Berlin_5.jpg/400px-Stalinbau_Karl-Marx-Allee_Berlin_5.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Kolonnaden_Karl-Marx-Allee_Block_G_Berlin_April_2006_131.jpg/450px-Kolonnaden_Karl-Marx-Allee_Block_G_Berlin_April_2006_131.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/Stalinbau_Portal_Karl-Marx-Allee_Berlin_2.jpg/400px-Stalinbau_Portal_Karl-Marx-Allee_Berlin_2.jpg

So we can agree about the fact that both East German commies and Nazis loved wide avenues, big buildings and lots of architectural features that are reminiscent of older styles (such as neo-classicism, renaissance etc.). However, I can't find these sorts of buildings anywhere in West Germany.

Hitler predicted quite well how Germany would look like after the war.
More decentralized, loosened up city structures, workers estates, car friendly, no medieval town centers which are in the way, etc..

Decentralization, car friendliness, more space and wider streets is nothing bad. Your discription completely fails to describe what is wrong with post war architecture in contrast to Nazi or earlier architectur. The problem of post war architecture is its blandness due to the idea of functionalism and realism that dispised any decorative elements. That coupled with a general disrespect for great classic architecture that was never part of the Nazi doctrine.


In one instance a Baurat in Düsseldorf has built a perfect Nazi building in the 60s for the city.

Sounds good if it is really decorative Nazi architecture and not some bland post war functionalist one.


I many cases Nazi city planning philosophy has been applied in post war Germany.

Really? Show me all the neo-classicist buildings that have been build after the war.


And its known that the city planners in places like Hamburg or Hannover were Ex-Nazis that had worked directly with Speer.
Those cities dont look classical to me btw.

If they were it is sad that they didn't continue with the former Nazi style.

Good news.
As I said Ive been to the library this morning.
Found the Spiegel issue I was looking for and copied the article.
Unfortunately Ill have to type the major facts in which takes time.
Ill do this either tonight or tomorrow.
Its a lot of work but some of the statements in this thread represent a falsification of historical events and I think that this is not allright.

Obviously when you're building something that's a kilometer long building, you don't pay too much attention to detail.

First of all no one who is obsessed with classical architecture will built a residential building thats over a kilometer long.
this is therefore a clear modernist building which is the point that I was trying to make.
As you may know , Nazi architecture borrowed a lot from architectural styles as represented by Le Corbusier.
Remember thats the guy that they were suposed to hate.....

So what are we talking about now? Architecture or city planning?

Both to be honest



Hitler might have been fond of wide avenues but he certainly would have been no fan of German post-war architecture which put an emphasis on taking cues from "democratic" architectural styles such as the Bauhaus or other non-ornamental styles.

this is were you are wrong.
Ill support my claim that the Nazis borrowed heavily from Bauhaus architecure and that the current city structures were heavily influenced by EX-Nazi city planners.

Why do you think every building with a column or a pilaster was/is demonized? Because Hitler liked these sorts of things.

Have the peoples from the APH forum told you that :ohno:

but you also claim that Nazi and post-war West German architecture had a lot in common. Strange...

:lol:
How could it be strange?
Look, for starters research soemone like Hillebrecht and its role in post war Germany.

I don't think we have these sorts of buildings in West Germany:

Those are all typical commie buildings from the Karl-Marx Allee in Berlin (I recognized them instantly) which you therefore would have trouble to find in west Germany.......

Those are all typical commie buildings from the Karl-Marx Allee in Berlin (I recognized them instantly) which you therefore would have trouble to find in west Germany.......

Your argument was though that Nazi and East German architecture had a lot in common...and that the same argument applied to West German and Nazi architecture. So why do we then see these ornaments in East Germany while West German buildings were deprived of theirs?

As you may know , Nazi architecture borrowed a lot from architectural styles as represented by Le Corbusier.

Obviously, modern architectural styles had some influence on the Nazis but at the end of the day they rejected that kind of architecture and they borrowed more from older styles. But all of this isn't really surprising since architectural styles usually borrow certain features from their predecessors (except for the modernists of the early 20th century).

Have the peoples from the APH forum told you that

Got another explanation?

If they were it is sad that they didn't continue with the former Nazi style.

ROFL
Thankfully thats just your opinion.
I honestly doubt though that youve got any idea whatsoever what Nazi-architecture is all about and what your statemnt implies....
:lol:

Ive just finished typing the article in. Took me quite a while....
I suggest that both of you guys pay attention and read carefully:

Bomben für den Aufbau

Den NS-Architekten kam der Luftkrieg gerade recht. Er beseitigte viele alte Baustrukturen, die den Neuerungsvorhaben des „Führers“ im Wege waren. Nach 1945 kamen die Nazi-Planer erneut zum Zug und prägten den Wiederaufbau des zerstörten Landes nach Hitlers Ideen.

Bereits früher hatte Hitler Positives im Feuersturm entdeckt. So sagte er Ende Juni 1943 dem Tagebuchschreiber Goebbels: „Dass die Städte selbst in ihrem Kern getroffen werden, ist von einer höheren Warte aus gesehen nicht ganz so schlimm. Die Städte stellen keine guten Bilder im ästhetischen Sinne dar. Die meisten Industriestädte sind schlecht angelegt, muffig und miserabel gebaut. Wir werden durch die britischen Luftangriffe hier Platz bekommen.
Die Neubaupläne, die für das Ruhrgebiet entworfen sind, hätten sich sonst ja sowieso immer an den vorhandenen Gegebenheiten gestoßen“.
Schon damals – nicht erst im berüchtigten „Nero-Befehl“ vom März 1945 – liebäugelte der Führer mit der Totalzerstörung.

Nicht nur Kriegsherr Hitler sah in den alliierten Flächenbombardements die Chance, Deutschlands Städte neu zu gestalten. Auch viele Architekten und Planer der NS-Zeit freuten sich auf diese „einmalige Gelegenheit in der Geschichte“.
Bereits während des Krieges hatte eine ganze Reihe von ihnen in großem Stil mit den Planungen für die Zeit danach begonnen.
So meinte ein Mitglied des „Arbeitsstabs Wiederaufbauplanung zerstörter Städte“, der Hamburger Architekt Konstanty Gutschow, im Frühjahr 1944: „Dem allergrößten Teil der baulichen Zerstörung (Hamburgs) weinen wir keine Träne nach“ – blanker Zynismus angesichts der Tatsache, dass in Hamburg im Juli 1943 bei den alliierten Bombardements 40.000 Menschen umgekommen sind und die Hälfte der Bausubstanz zerstört wurde.
Die Mentalität der NS-Städtebauer belegt auch eine Stellungnahme des Bremer Baurates Wilhelm Wortmann vom Dezember 1943: „Der Krieg und besonders der Luftkrieg versetzt der Grosstadt von gestern und heute den Todesstoss und schlägt eine mächtige Bresche für den Kampf um ihre umfassende Gesundung und wahre Neugestaltung.“
Dass Wortmann nach 1945 den Aufbau Bremens maßgeblich mitbestimmt hat, ist nur einer von vielen Belegen für einen ernüchternden Befund: Es gab im Städtebau keine „Stunde null“. Den Wiederaufbau führten nach 1945 die Städteplaner durch, die diesen in wesentlichen Grundzügen schon während des Krieges vorbereitet hatten.
Lediglich die braune Tünche musste abgestreift, mancher NS-Baufunktionär als der Sache verpflichteter Technokrat entnazifiziert werden.
Mehr brauchte es nicht.
Die Zerstörung der historisch gewachsenen Strukturen deutscher Grosstädte war seit der NS-Machtergreifung 1933 vorbestimmt gewesen: Auch ohne Bombenkrieg wäre deren Zuschnitt entscheidend verändert worden.
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Der „Führer“ wollte in den Städten Platz schaffen für Millionen Autos: „Ich sehe die Entwicklung des Verkehrs vor mir und weiß, dass in zehn Jahren besonders der Kraftwagenverkehr ein ungeheuer sein wird.“

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Die Planvorgaben für Berlin waren Vorbild für andere Städte: 1939 waren bereits 18 Städte für den Umbau vorgesehen, und im Sommer 1940 – nach dem Sieg über Frankreich – befahl Hitler ein umfassendes Bauprogramm: In den deutschen Grosstädten sollte sich die „Größe unseres Sieges“ in der Monumentalität neuer bauten und urbaner Räume wiederspiegeln.
Bis Frühjahr 1941 waren 41 Städte in das „Umbauprogramm des Führers“ einbezogen, darunter die fünf „Führerstädte“, die besonders aufwendig verändert werden sollten:
Berlin und Nürnberg durch Albert Speer, Hamburg durch Konstanty Gutschow, München durch Hermann Giesler und Linz durch Roderich Fick. Tausende Architekten, Ingenieure, Techniker, Bauzeichner und Bildhauer arbeiteten in den Planungsstäben – allein in Berlin waren es zeitweilig über 1000, in München über 700 und in Hamburg 250 Personen.
Das Bild der Städte hätte sich entscheidend verändert:

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Die während des Bombenkrieges zu Tage getretene Geringschätzung der historischen Bausubstanz zeichnete sich damals schon in vollem Ausmaß ab: Die Planer nahmen keinerlei Rücksicht, denn ihre Umgestaltungsprojekte erforderten riesige städtische Räume, die nur durch eine entsprechende Abrisspolitik zu gewinnen gewesen wären.
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Allein für die Umgestaltung Berlins sah sein Stab die Vernichtung von 53 624 Wohnungen vor. Ganze Straßenzüge wurden zwischen 1939 und 1942 platt gemacht – obwohl die Briten bereits massierte Luftangriffe flogen. In den Worten der Speer-Beamten „erleichterten“ die britischen Bomber die Abrissarbeit durch „wertvolle Vorarbeit für Zwecke der Neugestaltung“.Auch in anderen Städten waren radikale Eingriffe in die Bausubstanz vorgesehen: In Köln etwa hätte ein monumentales Achsenkreuz in Nord-Süd- und Ost-West-Richtung das Gefüge der Innenstadt völlig verändert. München sollte durch Monumentalbauten völlig neu gestaltet werden. Die Planungen, die das Ende der historisch gewachsenen Stadtkultur in Deutschland bedeutet hätten, waren bis 1942 in vollem Gang. Dann aber vernichteten die alliierten Flächenbombardements massenhaft Wohnraum, und die Zielvorgaben der NS-Städteplaner musste zwangsläufig geändert werden.

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Bekanntlich war auch Hitler ein Technikfanatiker, der „neuartige Baustoffe wie Stahl, Eisen, Glas und Beton“ pries.
Die Städte sollten allerdings nicht nur durch repräsentative NS-Architektur grundlegend umgestaltet werden. Die Grosstadt galt den Nazis als Produkt einer durch Industrialisierung verursachten Fehlentwicklung, als „Schädling am Volkstum“, „als biologischer Krankheitsherd“.
So wurde seit der Machtergreifung über die Gestaltung der Grosstadt vor allem unter ideologischen Prämissen diskutiert: Die „gesunde“ bäuerlich-kleinstädtische Lebensweise sollte in die Stadt transferiert werden. Das Regime sah darin die Voraussetzung für das gewünschte Bevölkerungswachstum.
Die NS-Raumplaner hatten Thesen aus der internationalen Diskussion über den Städtebau der Zukunft übernommen – von der Idee der „Gartenstadt“ bis hin zum Konzept der funktionellen Stadt Le Corbusiers. Diese Ideen wurden nach den rasse- und bevölkerungspolitischen Zielen ausgerichtet: Die NS-Wohnungspolitik wollte ein dörfliches Gemeinschaftsleben auf „Siedlungszellen“ in einen neu zu gestaltenden städtischen „Lebensraum“ übertragen.
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Parallel zum prunkvollen Umbau der deutschen Städte sollte ein „Wohnungsbauprogramm des Führers“ in Gang gesetzt werden: Propagiert wurde nun die industrielle Serienfertigung von genormten Wohnungen – „für die breite Masse“, „mit geringstmöglichem“ Aufwand an Arbeit und Material“. Damit war zu Beginn der vierziger Jahre das Modell der künftigen nationalsozialistischen Grosstadt festgelegt, das den Ordnungsvorstellungen des Regimes entsprach. Die „steinerne Stadt“ als urbaner Verdichtungsraum sollte von der aufgelockerten, gegliederten „Stadtlandschaft“ abgelöst werden: In der Innenstadt die repräsentativen monumentalen Bauwerke von Staat und Partei einschließlich Geschäftszentren. An der Peripherie die mehrgeschossigen Mietwohnungsareale, davon getrennt die Industriebetriebe.
Hitlers Architekt für Hamburg, Konstanty Gutschow, entwickelte in seinem Generalbebauungsplan vom November 1940 das Konzept einer „organischen Stadtlandschaft“ erstmals für eine Grosstadt: „Nicht mehr wie ein Pfannkuchen soll sich das Häusermeer über die Umgebung ausbreiten, sondern in wohlgeordneten Gemeinschaften, die dem geschlossenen Dorf oder der Kleinstadt gleichen“ – zwecks neuer „Gemeinschaftsbildung unsers Volkes in Anlehnung and seine politische Neugliederung“.

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Aus den Planungsstäben für die Umgestaltung der Städte wurden so notgedrungen Stäbe für den Wiederaufbau. Die „Richtlinien für den baulichen Luftschutz im Städtebau“ schrieben den betroffenen Städten bereits 1942 eine „weiträumige Gestaltung der „Städte und Siedlungen“ vor. Von der dezentralen Stadt erhoffte man, sie werde weniger Angriffesflächen für Luftangriffe bieten als herkömmliche Stadtzentren.
Im Oktober 1943 beauftragte Hitler Albert Speer, den Neuaufbau der zerstörten Städte planerisch und organisatorisch vorzubereiten.

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In seiner Ansprache am Neujahrstag 1944 beteuerte Hitler, dass „nach dem Krieg zwei bis drei Millionen Wohnungen pro Jahr“ gebaut würden. Dann tönte er: „Wir werden unsere Städte schöner bauen, als sie vorher waren. Der organisierte nationalsozialistische Volksstaat wird in wenigen Jahren die Spuren dieses Krieges beseitigt haben. Aus den Ruinen wird eine neue deutsche Städteherrlichkeit erblühen.“
Seinem Propagandaminister erklärte Hitler was er damit meinte: „Es ist klar, das unsere im Mittelalter gebauten alten Städte zum großen Teil für den modernen Verkehr gar nicht aufgeschlossen werden können. Eine Stadt wie Magdeburg etwa passt in die heutige Zeit nicht mehr hinein. Es kann deshalb im Hinblick auf die Gegenwart bedauert werden, dass der Feind uns hier eine Vorarbeit leistet; für die Zukunft wird daraus nur Segen entspringen.“
Die Vorgaben ihres „Führers“ nahmen Hitlers Architekten gern auf. Speer setzte einen „Arbeitsstab Wiederaufbauplanung“ ein, der die „einmalige Gelegenheit in der Geschichte benutzen“ wollte, „unsere deutschen Städte schöner und zweckmäßiger wiederaufzubauen“.
Alles, was unter den deutschen Architekten und Städteplanern Rang und Namen hatte, wurde im Verlauf des Jahres 1944 in den Arbeitsstab einbezogen – darunter Planungsexperten wie Konstanty Gutschow, dessen frühere Mitarbeiter Rudolf Hillebrecht und Wilhelm Wortmann oder der Bauchef der deutschen Arbeitsfront, Julius Schulte-Frohlinde. Im Frühjahr 1945 stieß sogar der spätere Bundespräsident, Baurat Heinrich Lübke, zum Arbeitsstab Speer dazu.

Die Planer Gutschow und Hillebrecht machten Anfang 1944 eine Rundreise durch 24 zerstörte Städte. Erfreut konstatierten sie zwischen den Trümmern allenthalben Bestätigung für „Führers“ Konzept. Jedenfalls, so schrieben sie, werde dessen Ruf nach dem Stadtbau mit aufgelockerter Gliederung, geringer Besiedlungsdichte und Flachbauweise „durch Luftkriegserfahrung als richtig unterstrichen“.
Speers Aufbaustab zog im Sommer 1944 in ein lufkriegssicheres Barackenlager in Wriezen bei Berlin um. Dort entstand ein Zwischenbericht, der die planerische Verantwortung für den Neuaufbau der zerstörten Städte aufteilte.
So entstand ein Netzwerk, das auch nach Kriegsende hielt und den Wiederaufbau gestalten sollte. Konstanty Gutschow etwa war von Speer für die Planung Hamburgs, Kassels und Wilhelmshavens vorgesehen. Die Briten, die den Hamburg-Experten im Sommer 1945 zunächst als Chef der Hamburger Wiederaufbaubehörde eingesetzt hatten, entließen ihn zwar bald darauf als politisch belastet. Aber der Mann kam andernorts unter. Denn Friedrich Tamms, ein anderes Mitglied des braunen Stabes, durfte 1948/49 den Neugestaltungsplan für Düsseldorf erstellen und holte anschließend Kostanty Gutschow mitsamt einer Reihe früherer Mitstreiter and den Rhein. Einer von ihnen, Julius Schulte-Frohlinde, durfte den Düsseldorfern in den fünfziger Jahren sogar das städtische Verwaltungsgebäude im klassischen NS-Stil bauen.
Besonders beispielhaft wurde die Vision der NS-Städteplaner in Hannover umgesetzt – kein Wunder, denn dort hatte man Rudolf Hillebrecht 1948 zum Stadtbaurat gewählt. Hillebrecht zog seinen früheren Chef Gutchow als Berater heran, und beide konnten in den fünfziger Jahren Hannover nach den im Krieg entwickelten Vorstellungen aufbauen. Die Stadt an der Leine galt in den fünfziger Jahren als Modell einer modernen Stadtgestaltung.

Zentraler Leitfaden für den Städtebau der Nachkriegszeit war das 1948 vom früheren Stadtbaumeister Stettins, Hans Bernhard Reichow, veröffentlichte Buch mit dem Titel „Organische Stadtbaukunst. Von der Grosstadt zur Stadtlandschaft“ – die bereinigte Fassung einer Publikation aus dem Jahr 1941.Wurde damals die „Stadtlandschaft“ in den volkstumspolitischen Kontext eingebunden, so war die NS-Terminologie jetzt getilgt. Aus der „Siedlungszelle“ wurde das Konzept der „Nachbarschaft“. Auch dass der öffentliche Mietwohnungsbau nach den standardisierten Normen preisgünstiger Massenproduktion durchgeführt wurde, hatte die „Deutsche Arbeitsfront“ bereits 1940 in ihrem Konzept des „sozialen Wohnungsbaus“ formuliert.

Am Ende behielt Städtezerstörer Hitler Recht mit seiner Voraussage: „Berlin und Hamburg, München und Köln, Kassel und alle anderen großen und kleinen beschädigten Städte wir man wenige Jahre nach Kriegsende kaum mehr wiedererkennen!“
Dafür sorgten schon Albert Speers Mannen, die den Wiederaufbau in der alten Bundesrepublik mit ihrem ideologisch bereinigten NS-Städtebaukonzept bis ins Einzelne prägten.
Hitlers Voraussage, die Städte würden „schöner errichtet, als sie vorher waren“, haben die alten Baumeister allerdings nicht erfüllt.

Beautiful photos of Germany at the end of the 19th century.Unfortunately most of these building are destroyed while the second World War.Most cities in Germany were total destroyed while WWII.Only a few cities like HEIDELBERG for example are still today beautiful

Oh, what a debate.

Checker danke for the pictures, good to see them again :)

I'm wondering why there's a picture of "Ungdomshuset" it was'nt that speciel.

I found a book last week in a second-hand bookshop, about modern german architecture, it's from the 30's
I think "nazi" architecture is impressive and has some features from art deco :)

:cry: I want our old citys back!!! Every building from the 50s to the 80s is a shame against these beauty buildings from the past.

Thanks a lot for the pics Kampflamm!

seeing this, I guess Germanys golden ages are over lol :(

I think "nazi" architecture is impressive and has some features from art deco :)

for sure nazi architecture doesnt have any featres from art deco.
the nazis despised art deco. it was too little strict for them.
they especially demolished buildings for they were art deco. for example: the "atelier elvira" in münchen.

If I may add some impressions of the formerly splendid and fantastic Alexanderplatz :)

(Btw: You can find such pics on the phenomenal extensive German bildindex.de (http://www.bildindex.de/rx/apsisa.dll/init?sid={a4d07c98-2ac8-43d4-bc75-5a0924411820}&cnt=19113&%3Asysprotocol=http%3A&%3Asysbrowser=ie7&%3Alang=de&) - there you're able to find tons of authentic historic photographs, paintings and plans from nearly every German city/town/place, it's insane. Just search for the city on the left scrollbar and then choose your preferences from different sections. Quite recommendable for architecture-enthusiasts :okay:)

Here we go:

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g02a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g07a.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/alexanderplatz1904.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g04b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g05b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g06b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g11b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g07b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g08b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g09b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g10b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a03b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a05b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a06b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492b11b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492c06b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a04b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a02b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a01b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g12b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03491g14b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492a03b.jpg

But, unfortunately, suddenly the emerging Bauhaus-style began to disfugure the Alexanderplatz (in the 30s)... An early beginning of the Alex' fall :ohno:

On the right hand you see one of the 2 new blocky-buildings by Behring, considered as astonishing "modern" that time:
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492b14b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03492b03b.jpg

And finally, we had a bunch of melting grandeur (thanks to the guy with the funny mustache):
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09234c17b.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-berlin/fotos/Alexanderp_latzvermutlvor1945.jpg

All the formerly magnificence is gone forever... Nobody would launch into a complete reconstruction of that whole overwhelming place :cry:

It really is one hell of a beauty today... :hahano: And they continued the bilious new "style":
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8599/berlinalexanderplatzlufgw5.jpg


And also the formerly "Belle-Alliance-Platz" might be worth a mention - it was one of Europe's finest places.

Before WW2:
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03494g10b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03494g09b.jpg

The uncolored version of a picture already posted here, Hallesches Tor at Belle-Alliance-Platz
http://members.tripod.com/~BDaugherty/berlin_photos/hallesches.jpg

Today it's called "Mehringplatz" and is merely an unpleasant, social dump. No wonder if you look at that horrible architecture...

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03494g13b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03495b10b.jpg


At least you get the idea of our capitals' former beauty. You can almost feel the sad affliction of today's Berlin... It's just so awful. I can't dry my tears :cry:

Too bad the only thing that survived the war are those shitty Bauhauses.

Agreed, damn robust ferroconcrete monstrosities... Why doesn't concrete burn like straw? :ohno:

Anyway, we shouldn't forget about another beauty of the old Berlin: The Potsdamer Platz. Now I'm gonna show you something more about that grand place.

Today it's probably Berlin's most modern and also a quite fascinating place - but before WW2, it was just a jewel of great classical architecture that is just irreplaceable :(


As this aerial pic shows quite well, the Potsdamer Platz was once entire Europes busiest place...
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496f04a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g06a.jpg

(Yeah, there's "American Drinks" written on top of the building in the middle ;))
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g02b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09234g18b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496f06b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496f11b.jpg

Quite international back then ;)
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496f13a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g01b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g02b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g09b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g11a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497b14a.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497b07b.jpg

http://www.d-e-zimmer.de/Abb/nbrestaurantpotsdamerplatz.jpg

http://www.d-e-zimmer.de/Abb/nbpotsdamerplatz.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497c05b.jpg

http://www.berliner-untergrundbahn.de/cu-07-01.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497b08b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497c01b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09234h02b.jpg

http://www.advancedpoetx.com/ZHINUWEB/ampel1936.jpg

http://gsb.download.bva.bund.de/BR/schaufenster/img/1-1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Potsdamerplatz3.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Potsdamerplatz2.jpg

Early neon lights
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497c03b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497c02b.jpg

http://www.big-max-web.de/content/My__Private__Life/potsdamer-platz_1930.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497b07b.jpg



The ashes that had been left after 1945...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Potsdamer_Platz_1945.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497c04b.jpg

http://gsb.download.bva.bund.de/BR/schaufenster/img/1-9.jpg

The letters are saying "eat fish!" :lol:
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI09234h03b.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03497b11b.jpg

Probably it had been an easy move to rebuild those beauties. But, you know, the dogma said "we have to build some crappy shitty ugly bulky boxes all over the city, that architecture is the past - we're looking for the future, so we have to make this place car-friendly". Dammit...


Behind the wall: A desert...
http://www.berlinermauer.se/bilder4/b_mur25.jpg

http://www.berlinermauer.se/bilder4/b_mur25x.jpg

http://www.heimatsammlung.de/topo_unter/10/mauer/mauerkarte_16.jpg

http://www.berlinermaueronline.de/xgraphics/fotos/berlinermauer-60er/19631202potsdamer.jpg

http://gsb.download.bva.bund.de/BR/schaufenster/img/8-2.jpg

http://gsb.download.bva.bund.de/BR/schaufenster/img/8-3.jpg

http://www.dhm.de/ENGLISH/ausstellungen/breakthrough/images/20Fotos/Ende.jpg


Today you can see a glimp of the iron curtain, combined with some amazing modern architecture. But still, no comparison to its earlier presence :cry:

http://www.meine-urlaubsbilder.de/media/520/berli07031010254a18.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1047/1058938462_9d052fea15_b.jpg

http://img.******************/photos/10185177.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/96/245442515_4994aed6ef.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/416351945_ccaaafebd7.jpg

http://img.******************/photos/7813662.jpg

http://img.******************/photos/8384181.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/509420578_84f27ac92e.jpg

http://img.******************/photos/5547100.jpg

Oh anyhow -we've got a single reconstruction at the Potsdamer Platz - the traffic light :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Potsdamer_Platz_2005_110.JPG/450px-Potsdamer_Platz_2005_110.JPG

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/184072325_87601f2dd3.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/138/333347380_4cb2334ad3_b.jpg

http://img.******************/photos/2447196.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1075/1368107928_9714e5d08c.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/97/243030728_2aa0508d4f.jpg?v=0

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/118/305705977_b2f53232d6.jpg

Let's adore it again the last time for today :colgate:
http://img.******************/photos/4022122.jpg

Sorry for the size of some pics, but you have to see some details to really appreciate it...

And cordial thanks for the attention you paid. :)

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI03496g06a.jpg
I wonder what that that little classical "temple" on the right was?

and by the way.. what are the current plans regarding the Potsdamer Stadtschloss?

They're so called "Torbauten" (there was another one across the steet), built by Schinkel, as sort of gates to Leipziger Platz (or Potsdamer Platz). I don't think they served a particular purpose though.

just found this thread and it's so awesome!

especially those berlin areals are so :drool:! it was so beauuutiful once! so was cologne! shame on the german post-ww-2-architecture! :mad2:

Berlin used to be so beautiful. :(

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09082v.jpg

Wie heißt das Gebäude und steht es noch?

Siehst du am linken Bildrand:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Berlin_Unter_den_Linden_Potsdamer_Platz.jpg/800px-Berlin_Unter_den_Linden_Potsdamer_Platz.jpg

"Wie heißt das Gebäude und steht es noch? "

Das ist das Kronprinzenpalais in der Straße Unter den Linden. Das wurde Anfang der 50'er Jahre wieder aufgebaut. (Allerdings nur die Fassade, Innenräume sind nicht erhalten).

Now I'm going to show you something of the grand old Dresden in Saxonia, East Germany. These are some postcard views of GDR-times I've found at the German APH (http://www.aphforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=509&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)-Forum.

Lean back and enjoy the historical breath of old Dresden:


Old town, as seen from the tower of the city hall (= Rathaus)
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9886/dresdenaltstadtvomrathaxn6.jpg

Old town bank / promenade
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6640/dresdenaltstdteruferns5.jpg

Brühl'sche Terrasse - Brühl's terrace (unique terrace made by the master builder Thormeyer and named after Heinrich, count von Brühl)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6418/kopievondresdenbrhlschetn5.jpg

Banks of the Neustadt (= 'New Town'), view to the Frauenkirche (Our Lady's Church)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1918/kopievondresdenblickaufxn8.jpg

Hofkirche (court church / cathedral)
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3415/dresdenhofkircheia3.jpg

Old town banks with Hofkirche and Schloss (= castle)
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/324/kopievondresdenschlohofvr3.jpg

View from the Neustadt banks
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/4852/dresdenaugustusbrckeunddr7.jpg

Dresden - Hauptbahnhof (= central station)
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6436/kopievondresdenhauptbahky3.jpg

Panorama of Dresden
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2134/kopievondresdenaltstadtah4.jpg


Arrival at the central station (Hauptbahnhof), Prager Strasse (=street)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1599/dresdenpragerstrvomhbfhcd2.jpg

Victoriahaus
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6649/dresdenviktoriahauspragum4.jpg

Kreuzschule
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/188/dresdenkreuzschuleco7.jpg

Altmarkt (=old market)
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/2256/dresdenaltmarktnq3.jpg

Dinglingerhaus, Jüdenhof (Hof = court)
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/8853/dresdenjdenhofdinglingewc4.jpg

Schloßstraße (castle street)
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6644/dresdenschlostraemx2.jpg

Zwinger and castle
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3963/dresdenzwingerschlofm1.jpg

Taschenbergpalais (a reconstructed luxury Kempinski Hotel nowadays) and chapel
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/7403/dresdentaschenbergpalaioo3.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6260/dresdentaschenbergpalains3.jpg

Theaterplatz (Platz = square) - theatre/opera square
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6694/dresdentheaterplatziwingf7.jpg

Sophienstraße and castle (the castle's mainly reconstructed and partly still UC nowadays)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5066/dresdensophienstrschlocc7.jpg

Semperoper
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8425/dresdensemperoperir1.jpg

Georgentor and Hofkirche ('royal' church)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4534/dresdengeorgentorhofkirkv9.jpg

Großer Schloßhof (great castle court)
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3418/dresdenschlogroerhofmiten9.jpg

Kanzlei (office/chambers) and Stallhof ('hutch-courtyard')
http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6443/dresdenkanzleiundstallhxy7.jpg

Stallhofgang
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1112/dresdenstallhofganggescpu4.jpg

Synagogue
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4108/dresdensynagogepp7.jpg

Coselpalais
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2258/dresdencoselpalaishr1.jpg[/URL]

Altstadtufer (old town bank)
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/2838/dresdenaltstadtuferyg9.jpg

Neustadt, Narrenhäusel ('Jester's house' ;))
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5431/dresdennarrenhuselzo7.jpg

Neustadt, Rathaus (city hall) - it's intended to reconstruct this building. Nowadays some Plattenbauten (low commieblocks) destroy the beautiful impression of the sculpture ('Der Goldene Reiter' - The Golden Cavalier) and buildings around
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7135/dresdenneustdterrathausxe4.jpg

Neustadt, Grosse Meissner Gasse (Great Meissen Alley)
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7273/dresdenneustadtgroemeisgb9.jpg

Neustadt, banks of the river Elbe with sculptures of bowmen
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7121/dresdenneustdterelbuferdv1.jpg

Neustadt, Carolaplatz (Platz = square)
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7633/dresdnerneustadtcarolapvg0.jpg

>Up into the air: Frauenkirche
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5081/dresdenfrauenkirchemm0.jpg

Sky views
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8052/dresdenluftbildzwingersiv4.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6492/dresdenluftbildelbealtsvk1.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/126/dresdenwestlichealtstadzi4.jpg

Wettinerplatz
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/6038/dresdenluftbildwettinerlq0.jpg

Palais in the Großer Garten (Great garden)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3444/dresdengroergartenpalaihw8.jpg

Postplatz with the Telegrafenamt (telegraph agency)
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1098/img105pr5.jpg

View into the Augustusstraße
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9907/img106yz4.jpg

Altmarkt (old market) with Altes Rathaus (old city hall), Löwen-Apotheke (Lion pharmacy) and the Germania memorial
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/459/img107zo5.jpg

Heliotypes of a splendid Gründerzeit (~Belle Epoque around the turn of the 19/20th century) building - the Kaiserpalast (or "Ilgenhaus")
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/4762/kaiserpalastseitern4.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/117/kaiserpalastvornebp2.jpg


All those pics were most likely taken around 1900 'til WWII. I hope you enjoyed the little excursion to the pearl of the Elbe ;)

Just incredible how much was lost. And I'm already happy with small reconstructions like the one at the Neumarkt...entire boroughs were wiped out though.

German cities were no doubt the most beautiful ones in Europe at that time.

Actually, all towns in Europe were beautiful, even industrial ones. Whether liberal, communist or fascist, all regimes favored beautiful architecture. I believe that towns built up to the 60s were also not that ugly and that housing estates were then somewhat a success in Western Europe (at least in France). Centre-towns were durably damaged though.

hey great thread, maybe guys you have some pics of smaller towns? i'm intrested in 2 Hirshberg + Bad Warmbrunn (now Jelenia Gora -use to be 2 separate towns but now are one) and Merzdorf (now Marciszow espetially in pics of railwaystation/bhanhof and nerby area -there is some data that small narowgauge existed in at the begining of 20th century but it was closed down long before WW2 and almoust no data is awalible, only marks on land show that something had to be there...)

There are a couple of pics on Wikipedia

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Rathaus.jpg/800px-Rathaus.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Dachg%C3%A4rten.JPG/800px-Dachg%C3%A4rten.JPG

At least there are pictures and plans, lost buildings can always be rebuilt.

German cities were no doubt the most beautiful ones in Europe at that time.

they still are IMO

wow nice stuff i wonder why people dont build like this today

will they reconstruct the germania memorial aswell?

Now I'm going to show you something of the grand old Dresden in Saxonia, East Germany. These are some postcard views of GDR-times I've found at the German APH (http://www.aphforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=509&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)-Forum.

Lean back and enjoy the historical breath of old Dresden:


http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/117/kaiserpalastvornebp2.jpg


All those pics were most likely taken around 1900 'til WWII. I hope you enjoyed the little excursion to the pearl of the Elbe ;)

hOPE ONE THEY SOME POLITICIANS ARE STRONG AND WISE ENOUGH TO DECIDE TO RECOSNTRUCT THIS BEAUTY !!

wHY IS ONLY WELL SEEN TO RECONSTRUCT BUILDINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN 100 YEARS ?????...WHY IS IT SO BAD SEEN TO RECONSTRUCT SOME OF THE XIX CENTURY BEUTIES ??...THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT MAKE CITIES DIFERENT AND MORE BEAUTIFUL AND CHARMING !!

hOPE ONE THEY SOME POLITICIANS ARE STRONG AND WISE ENOUGH TO DECIDE TO RECOSNTRUCT THIS BEAUTY !!

wHY IS ONLY WELL SEEN TO RECONSTRUCT BUILDINGS THAT ARE OLDER THAN 100 YEARS ?????...WHY IS IT SO BAD SEEN TO RECONSTRUCT SOME OF THE XIX CENTURY BEUTIES ??...THOSE ARE THE BUILDINGS THAT MAKE CITIES DIFERENT AND MORE BEAUTIFUL AND CHARMING !!

Step away from the caps lock sir!
I agree though. Many structures from 1910-1920 are very charming and beautiful.

Dresden do good work. Dresden looks so wonderful!

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k217/Aviller71/ddresden1.jpg

Double Post

Of course we should also rebuild structures from the splendid era around the turn of the 19th/20th century. Unfortenately there are still many ideological blockades to burst. To many old-68ers who think it would be a sacrilege to reconstruct historicist buildings of this era :(
By the by, the quoted building (the Kaiserpalast in Dresden) was build in the year of 1895, at "Pirnaischer Platz" (=square).

Another postcard of this building within its context:
http://dresden.stadtwiki.de/sw/images/8/85/Dresden_Kaiserpalast1905_12E.jpg

Taken from this Dresden-Wiki (http://dresden.stadtwiki.de/wiki/Hauptseite)


To attract the view on Berlin again - the Berliner Dom (=cathedral) back in the past:

http://www.berlinerdom.de/images/stories/historisches/vorgaengerbauten/raschdorff-dom-foto.jpg

Compare: Nowadays

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Berlin_Dom_2005.jpg/800px-Berlin_Dom_2005.jpg

As you may obviously spot, it looks quite different now. They reconstructed the dome in a simplified way, as well as the spires/lanterns. Currently the cross on top is demounted due to some renovation works. As suggested by some architecture friends/organizations this would be a great chance to reconstruct the whole dome with the towers, since they also have to be renovated soon.
But, times again, there seems to be no chance for such a project - the cathedral is a building of the 19th century :|


An additional image to show the condition in 1964 - after the heavy bombing in WW2 they've only built an auxiliary dome:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Berliner_Dom_1964_western_front.jpg/800px-Berliner_Dom_1964_western_front.jpg

And again, nowadays. A quite sad sight without the cross on the cupola...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Berliner_Dom_ohne_Kuppelkreuz.jpg/450px-Berliner_Dom_ohne_Kuppelkreuz.jpg

Some Wilhelminian architecture from Strasbourg. Sorry for the size but I'm too lazy to resize them.

Former Imperial Palace:

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image08.jpg

University:

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image12.jpg

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image16.jpg

Church:

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image22.jpg

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image23.jpg

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image24.jpg

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image28.jpg

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image41.jpg

http://www.crdp-strasbourg.fr/imageEcole/neustadt/hr/image44.jpg

Isn't Metz the archetype of Wilhelminian architecture ? Even in France, we seldom see anything from Metz.

Not sure. But Strasbourg's Neustadt is famous for being the Wilhelminian district in that area.

An interesting kink ( in French ) :
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/inventai/itiinv/archixx/pann/p41.htm

I remember reading something about that Church. I guess back then Romanesque architecture was regarded as more "German" than Gothic.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/452969029_bff5033786_b.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/40/78018532_1ac4344a6e_b.jpg

Old Rheinbrücke in Bonn
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/RheinbrueckeBonn.jpg/750px-RheinbrueckeBonn.jpg
http://www.bonn.de/imperia/md/images/touri-kult-freiz-sport/stadtchronik/alte-rheinbruecke.jpg

Metz has some lovely examples of late 19th century German architecture

http://www.rail.lu/im/cp/metzc82588.jpg

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Metz%20Denkmal%20Kaiser%20Friedrich%20III..jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/bocachi/Metz-photo-4.jpg

http://www.twip.org/photo/europe/france/photo-9538-22-08-07-13-09-20.jpg


http://www.linternaute.com/sortir/escap/est/metz/diaporama/images/10.jpg


the german part of town in Strasbourg is a lot bigger tough

Of course we should also rebuild structures from the splendid era around the turn of the 19th/20th century. Unfortenately there are still many ideological blockades to burst. To many old-68ers who think it would be a sacrilege to reconstruct historicist buildings of this era :(
By the by, the quoted building (the Kaiserpalast in Dresden) was build in the year of 1895, at "Pirnaischer Platz" (=square).

Another postcard of this building within its context:
http://dresden.stadtwiki.de/sw/images/8/85/Dresden_Kaiserpalast1905_12E.jpg

Taken from this Dresden-Wiki (http://dresden.stadtwiki.de/wiki/Hauptseite)




To attract the view on Berlin again - the Berliner Dom (=cathedral) back in the past:

http://www.berlinerdom.de/images/stories/historisches/vorgaengerbauten/raschdorff-dom-foto.jpg

Compare: Nowadays

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Berlin_Dom_2005.jpg/800px-Berlin_Dom_2005.jpg

As you may obviously spot, it looks quite different now. They reconstructed the dome in a simplified way, as well as the spires/lanterns. Currently the cross on top is demounted due to some renovation works. As suggested by some architecture friends/organizations this would be a great chance to reconstruct the whole dome with the towers, since they also have to be renovated soon.
But, times again, there seems to be no chance for such a project - the cathedral is a building of the 19th century :|


An additional image to show the condition in 1964 - after the heavy bombing in WW2 they've only built an auxiliary dome:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Berliner_Dom_1964_western_front.jpg/800px-Berliner_Dom_1964_western_front.jpg

And again, nowadays. A quite sad sight without the cross on the cupola...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Berliner_Dom_ohne_Kuppelkreuz.jpg/450px-Berliner_Dom_ohne_Kuppelkreuz.jpg

Its so ridiculous this mental problems all those German politics have now a days about reconstructing turn of the century buildings...whats their problem ???

The Berlin Dom its such a beautiful landmark, and its not complete with this super ugly comunistic endings, NOW WAS THE BEST CHANCE TO REMAKE IT LIKE THE ORIGINAL AND LET IT SHINE AGAIN LIKE IN THE PAST !!

I am sure one day will be done, but we will have to wait for a new generation, because the one now on charge has too many problems in the head with the past !!!!

I was asked yesterday, how did Poland managed to reconstruct German cities, a guy is involved in Dresden's Old Market rebuilding, he was so surprised that Poles rebuilt those cities thanks to old paintings.

There are some nice pieces of German architecture in Poznań (Posen), which belonged to Prussia later Germany from 1793 to 1918. Most of the buildings in the pictures below were built in that period.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image6.jpg
Down on the left the opera house, next to it a today's university faculty and down the imperial castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Castle_in_Pozna%C5%84

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image48.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image48.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image48a.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image50.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image60.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image61.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image83.jpg

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/tresor2/dawnypoznan/Image84.jpg

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Posen_Koenigliches_Residenzschloss+.jpg

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Festung%20Posen+.jpg

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Posen%20Wilhelmplatz%20Koenigliches%20Schloss+.jpg

http://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/europe/images/pl_poznan_opera

http://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/europe/images/pl_poznan_opera_2.jpg

http://www.andreas-praefcke.de/carthalia/europe/images/pl_poznan_stadttheater_2.jpg

http://www.siumaster.republika.pl/zamek.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s14.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s07.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s09.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s08.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s20.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s19.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/s22.jpg

http://www.poznan.terramail.pl/stare/zamek.jpg

http://siumaster.republika.pl/nowa-boznica.jpg

Early 20th century Danzig

Rechtstädtisches Rathaus and Artushof
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/480/danzig1929qj5.jpg

Marienkirche and Jopengasse
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/913/danzig19292zv4.jpg

Marienkirche and the Royal Chapel
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9307/danzig19293sr5.jpg

Krantor
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6264/danzig19294oz7.jpg

Frauengasse, a view towards Frauentor
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6581/danzigfrauengasse1929ja9.jpg

Frauengasse
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/6471/danzigfrauengasse19292fy2.jpg

Sad to see. These cities were beautiful. I can't imagine that this happened to "one of my cities". Places like Cologne and Frankfurt have so little preserved. Ofcourse they would never looked like these cards no matter what.

Luckily my 1st city Amsterdam is relatively well preserved. Barcelona lost lots of great buildings thanks to first the Spanish invasion in the 18th century and then the anarchist revolts and the civil war however.

Rechtstädtisches Rathaus and Artushof
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/480/danzig1929qj5.jpg
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4336/danzig8xr.jpg

Marienkirche and Jopengasse
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/913/danzig19292zv4.jpg
http://images30.fotosik.pl/10/31ffcb1280a25f9e.jpg

Marienkirche and the Royal Chapel
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9307/danzig19293sr5.jpg
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafika:Bazylika_Mariacka_in_Gdansk.PNG
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Pl-gdansk-kaplica-krolewska-2006.jpg/800px-Pl-gdansk-kaplica-krolewska-2006.jpg

Krantor
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6264/danzig19294oz7.jpg
http://images28.fotosik.pl/65/87c1b916aa28f943.jpg

Frauengasse, a view towards Frauentor
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6581/danzigfrauengasse1929ja9.jpg

http://imggal.trojmiasto.pl./zdj/arch/0/Ulica-Mariacka-zima-23.jpg

As you can see not everything was lost (or rather I should say - it was lost but rebuilded). However it's not 'Germany' anymore :D
...at least for now :shifty:

Berlin
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2460/berlinerstrassenszenezx4.jpg

Berlin
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5782/berlingendarmenmarktbd3.jpg

Breslau
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3408/breslau1929my5.jpg

Frankfurt am Main
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9057/frankfurtammain1929zw3.jpg

Frankfurt am Main
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2192/frankfurtammain19292ew5.jpg

Goslar
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/21/goslaray2.jpg

Lübeck
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3391/lbeck1929zx7.jpg

Meersburg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3690/meersburg1929mo5.jpg

Munich
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/7026/mnchen1929mz0.jpg

Schöne Sammlung alter Köln-Bilder (Old pictures of Cologne) (http://www.anicursor.com/colpicoldd.html)

http://www.anicursor.com/koeln_hauptbahnhof.jpg

Unfassbar, dass der Hauptbahnhof einst so aussah! :eek:

leipzig before everything went wrong. bundesverwaltungsgericht's still standing though

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6898/leipzigerinnenstadtfv7.jpg

Early 20th century Danzig


All architecure you posted is from polish Gdańsk before german occupation, so your post is not fair :ohno:

And I have one request- could you posting more photos of prewar Berlin? I'm just fascinating about old Berlin, it was so great and beautiful.

Coblenz

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/coblenzdeutscheeck-921x531.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/coblenzeck-923x540.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/ehrenbreitstein_b_.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/koblenzkaiser-432x256.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/europe.html

Hamburg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/hamburg1907-936x580.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/hamburg_a_.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/hamburgstpauli-938x575.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/hamburg_b_.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/hamburgalster_a_.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/Helgolander-912x557.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/hamburgDammthorstrasse.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/hamburgrathaus.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/hamburgeilbeck-938x575.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/images/hamburgalster.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/europe.html

Berlin

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinvictoria-933x581.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinmonument-311x523.jpghttp://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlin1906-311x523.jpghttp://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlindom-311x523.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinlinden-459x301.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/friedrichstrasse-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinschillerplatz-459x301.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinoperaplatz-459x301.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/HalleGateandBelleAllianceSquare-459x288.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/Berlinarsenal-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/neuewache-459x288.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinborse-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinbahnhof-459x288.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinuniversity-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/UnterdenLinden-459x301.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/kaiserwilhelmbrucke-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlinmuseum-459x288.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlintheatre-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/berlin1941stadium-459x288.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/europe.html

No offense to people from Berlin but my god it is butt ugly compared to what it used to be. :(

No offense to people from Berlin but my god it is butt ugly compared to what it used to be. :(

They have pics, it can be rebuilt one day. Look at Dresden, rebuilding after so many years...

c'mon, it's rather stupid to think that some day they would reconstruct all that glory. the political atmosphere in berlin isn't suitable for that. and those former buildings have already been replaced with something else, they are not standing in ruins anymore, rebuilding them seems very far-fetched.

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/Helgolander-912x557.jpg


Where is that in Hamburg?

It'll never be rebuilt but most of the buildings built in the last three decades were not conceived to endure time. When the time to rebuild them comes, it might be interesting to repair errors of the past.

Hamburg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/Helgolander-912x557.jpg



That is gorgeous!

c'mon, it's rather stupid to think that some day they would reconstruct all that glory. the political atmosphere in berlin isn't suitable for that. and those former buildings have already been replaced with something else, they are not standing in ruins anymore, rebuilding them seems very far-fetched.

Yes plus Berlin is full of modernist.
I don't see why we can't have our own classic revival today.

^^ i would guess that building in neoclassical or barroque or other older styles today would cost more than it did back in those days but glass and steel buildings can also be nice :)

^^ i would guess that building in neoclassical or barroque or other older styles today would cost more than it did back in those days but glass and steel buildings can also be nice :)

With today's technology we should be able to mass produce such details with sophisticated wood and stone carving machines. Glass and steel buildings are purely functional. They don't tell a story, they have no local flavor, and above all no soul and become eyesores after a decade.:ohno:

Danzig/Gdańsk

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/danzig-924x538.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/danzig_e_2-465x295.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/danzig_b_-465x295.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/danzig_d_-298x501.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/danzig_c_-298x501.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/rathaus-298x501.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/danzig_a_-298x501.jpg


Breslau/Wrocław

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_a_-926x560.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_f_-932x560.jpg

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_i_-290x469.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_h_-462x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_e_-462x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_g_-462x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_d_-462x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_b_-462x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_j_-462x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau_c_-462x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslautheatre-462x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/breslau1944-462x291.jpg


Stettin/Szczecin

http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_a_-936x586.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_f_-464x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_i_-464x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_k_-464x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_g_-464x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_e_-464x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_h_-464x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin_l_-464x291.jpg http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin1917-464x291.jpg


http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/sitebuilder/images/stettin1939-464x291.jpg

With today's technology we should be able to mass produce such details with sophisticated wood and stone carving machines.
They were mass produced already in XIX century.

exactly.

Let's face some destruction again.
Berlin's Brandenburger Tor in ashes. Taken from a panorama installation which was placed in front of the rebuilt gate some years ago.

http://i25.tinypic.com/xkzsso.jpg

Berlin again. This time I'm going to show you some historical bridges of the city -
some of them survived 'til today, but most of them are (probably) gone forever.
As well as their surrounding buildings, places and the former urbanity.

(Sidenote: You can look at the URLs to check what these bridges are called)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Berlin_Kaisersteg_Oberschoeneweide_ZfB_1900.jpg/460px-Berlin_Kaisersteg_Oberschoeneweide_ZfB_1900.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Berlin_B%C3%B6rse_mit_Friedrichsbr%C3%BCcke_um_1900.jpg/798px-Berlin_B%C3%B6rse_mit_Friedrichsbr%C3%BCcke_um_1900.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Berlin_Baerenbruecke_1900.jpg/800px-Berlin_Baerenbruecke_1900.jpg

http://www.koepenick.net/galerie-hist-stadt/fotos/schlossinsel.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Berlin_Marschallbruecke_Ansicht_1896_BusB.jpg/800px-Berlin_Marschallbruecke_Ansicht_1896_BusB.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Berlin_Waisenbruecke_1900.jpg/790px-Berlin_Waisenbruecke_1900.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Berlin_Weidendammer_Bruecke_Komische_Oper.jpg/800px-Berlin_Weidendammer_Bruecke_Komische_Oper.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Berlin%2C_Schl%C3%BCtersteg%2C_R%C3%BCckwardt%2C_1891.jpg/463px-Berlin%2C_Schl%C3%BCtersteg%2C_R%C3%BCckwardt%2C_1891.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Berlin_Bahnhof_Friedrichstrasse_Schluetersteg_1900.jpg/795px-Berlin_Bahnhof_Friedrichstrasse_Schluetersteg_1900.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Berlin_Monbijoubruecke_und_Bodemuseum_1900.jpg/800px-Berlin_Monbijoubruecke_und_Bodemuseum_1900.jpg

Glienicke Bridge (Glienicker Brücke) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glienicke_Bridge) - connects Berlin and Potsdam. Historically important during the cold war
(spy exchanges), fortunately still standing
http://www.pohl-projekt.de/G_M_G/g_m_g_austausch1986/g_m_gaustausch860211_22b.jpg

OMG !!! :uh: this pictures are so brutal beautiful

this is so sad :( germany lost so much of his history, unbelievable excellent buildings

Well, I'd like to show you some (former) beauties of my home state in Germany, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecklenburg-Vorpommern).
I'm living just 1 hour away of the Baltic Sea, so I often spend time up there -
Especially on the beautiful island of Usedom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usedom) (touristic information (http://www.usedom.de/index.php?id=1&L=2)).

The following photographs are colored (photochrom prints). If you want to find more of them, I'd just advise to visit the
Library of Congress (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/pgzquery.html) and go for something like Germany (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/f?pgz:0:./temp/~pp_zUOC:) ;)

It should be mentioned, that pretty much of the following buildings survived the terror of WW2 and GDR as well -
but some are sad losses as well (especially the pier of Heringsdorf and Putbus castle)...
Anyway, just take a look:


Schwerin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerin)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00673v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00675v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00672v.jpg


Rostock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rostock)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00671v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00669v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00677v.jpg


Now USEDOM: Heringsdorf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heringsdorf%2C_Mecklenburg-Vorpommern)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00709v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00707v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00731v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00730v.jpg


Ahlbeck (http://www.wild-east.de/meckpom/usedom/kaiserbaeder/eng/index.php?id=0011)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00694v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00691v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00600/00692v.jpg


Now RÜGEN: Binz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binz)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00929v.jpg


Sellin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sellin)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00918v.jpg


Sassnitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassnitz)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00914v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00915v.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00917v.jpg


Putbus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putbus) - former castle (sadly torn down by the GDR government)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00913v.jpg


Lohme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohme) area

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00925v.jpg


Chalk cliffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00922r.jpg

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00900/00926r.jpg


Stralsund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stralsund)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/ppmsca/00700/00721v.jpg



That's it for now. Hope you enjoyed the lil excurse to my home fields ;)

del

People need to build like this today to

No they don't

Any pics of Neubrandenburg?

No they don't

well sure they dont "need" to but its not like if cities are getting prettier today

^Thats your opinion for me old pre 1900 architecture is quite boring... If we just copy old styles all the time there would be no progres, nothing really new...

GEIL!

Wroclaw/Breslau - may 1945...

http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=cpxl8QgER6c

I like the long streets of Breslau. :)

Stettin, Szczecin

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/ftp/nowa_galeria/%21Widoki%20ogolne/08%20-%20Widoki%20z%20elewatora/02%20-%20Getreidespeicher%2C%20S%FCd%3B%201935-1936%20-%201.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_18d%20-%20Hakenterrasse%3B%201923-%20-%204k.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/ftp/nowa_galeria/Altstadt%20-%20Stare%20Miasto/16%20-%20Breitestrasse%20-%20ul%20Wyszynskiego/no_08%20-%20Breitestra%DFe%3B%201897-1906%20-%201.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_07a%20-%20Rathausplatz%3B%201934-1936.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/ftp/nowa_galeria/Vor%20dem%20Berliner%20Tor/07%20-%20Bismarckplatz%20-%20pl%20Zgody/02g%20-%20Bismarckplatz%20-%201.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/ftp/nowa_galeria/Altstadt%20-%20Stare%20Miasto/12%20-%20Rossmarkt%20-%20Plac%20Orla%20Bialego/09%20-%20Ro%DFmarkt%3B%201897-1904.jpg

http://www.fds.px.pl/foto/big/1082665468.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_02%20-%20Altstadt%3B%201927-1934%20-%201b.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_14%20-%20Jakobikirchturm%2C%20Ost%3B%201930%20-%20MNS%20A%20Foto%204994.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/ftp/nowa_galeria/Vor%20dem%20K%F6nigstor/04%20-%20Kaiser-Wilhelmplatz%20-%20pl%20Grunwaldzki/no_01%20-%20Kaiser-Wilhelmplatz%3B%20-1935%20-%201k.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_15%20-%20Bollwerk%3B%201926-%20-%201%20-%20MNS%20A%20Foto%2015531.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_06%20-%20Rathausplatz%3B%20-1931%20-%2012.jpg

http://www.szn.pl/Szczecin/widokowki/stett066.jpg

http://www.nowyszczecin.pl/images/gal1/9.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_03%20-%20Kaiser-Wilhelmstra%DFe%20-%201%3B%201902-1903%20-%20PLG%2012%201%201258d.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_05a%20-%20Augustaplatz%20-%201ka.jpg

http://sedina.px.pl/coppermine/albums/userpics/10342/no_03%20-%20Kaiser-Wilhelmstra%DFe%20-%203.jpg

How beautiful is Germany, before and now!

I have one question: Do u know how many cities are called 'Frankfurt' in Germany? Thanks

How beautiful is Germany, before and now!

I have one question: Do u know how many cities are called 'Frankfurt' in Germany? Thanks

I believe there are two: Frankfurt on the Oder river at the Polish border, and the famous Frankfurt am Main.

Found a much bigger version of arguably the best building in this entire thread.

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09059v.jpg

Here -> http://memory.loc.gov/master/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09059u.tif

Anyone know anything about the history of this or where in Nuremberg it was or what shite replaced it??

:cry:

http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.de/rubriken/staedte_und_orte/1/bilder/toplerhaus_1.jpg

http://www.stadtbild-deutschland.de/rubriken/staedte_und_orte/1/bilder/topler_2.jpg

LOL. That is some deep'n'black humour. Unfortunately also true.

mother of god

Found a much bigger version of arguably the best building in this entire thread.
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c09000/3c09000/3c09059v.jpg

What a piece of tawdry piece of architecture. Today the place looks much better.

It's interesting to make comparisons with then German towns, now under "French rule" which means that they were mostly preserved (but not saved from architectural post-modernism that was more devastating than fantasized Soviet mass-destructions) :

Metz

More here :
http://www.cpa57.com/cariboost1/crbst_158.html

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/2856347138_a507137767_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2855514381_0e8459a6a5_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/2856347374_7c234bf8b8_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3139/2856347520_1eb44f8746_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2856347634_f51bc760f9_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3022/2855514849_a42277f347_o.jpg

Thionville/Diedenhofen

http://www.heimatsammlung.de/topo_unter/frankreich_ab_04/images_01/diedenhofen-2359.jpg
http://www.heimatsammlung.de/topo_unter/frankreich_ab_04/images_01/diedenhofen-2360.jpg

Sarreguemines/Saargemünd

http://www.heimatsammlung.de/topo_unter/frankreich_03/frankreich_401.jpg
http://www.heimatsammlung.de/topo_unter/frankreich_ab_04/images_01/sarreguemines-1842.jpg

^ Some interesting views there. Pretty sad it was lost :(


Anyway, let's have a tiny Berlin comparison again:


Potsdamer Platz - Palasthotel

Before WWII bombing raids
http://www.essential-architecture.com/G-BER/016-palast-hotel_1899.jpg


After
http://www.essential-architecture.com/G-BER/016-palast-hotel_1945.jpg

Source: www.essential-architecture.com (http://www.essential-architecture.com/G-BER/BER-016.htm)


It actually could have been rebuilt...


But they rather wanted to have some neat wall.
http://www.essential-architecture.com/G-BER/016-Hotel-Vater.jpg

Not the end of 19th century, more like 1934-38. Found on panoramio (http://www.panoramio.com/).

Hamburg

Speicherstadt
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3097/33401053zi6.jpg

Überseebrücke
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/745/66779619hv5.jpg

Hauptbahnhof (on the right)
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/627/50110690qx6.jpg

Jungfernstieg
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/4277/66320759pl2.jpg

Mönckebergstraße
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/5621/64914908zv5.jpg

Mönkedamm
http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/2193/78208871vj4.jpg

Gänsemarkt
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2069/83960163pq0.jpg

Chilehaus (on the left)
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/7660/95766743zs5.jpg

View from Rathaus
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3250/77393972im9.jpg

Rathaus itself
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8541/10nd9.jpg

I hope the hotlinks work. Edit: Well, they didn't. I'm pretty sure they do now.

See Klaus Brink's whole collection here (http://www.panoramio.com/user/184599/tags/Hamburg%201934%20-%201938)!

I hope the hotlinks work.

They actually don't :(

Hamburg Rathaus still exists, which is great.

Any more pics or info about that stunningly magnificent centerpiece in Stettin?

http://www.szn.pl/Szczecin/widokowki/stett066.jpg

The Marketplace of my Family's Hometown in Berlinchen/Barlinek.

~1900
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Berlinchenmarket.jpg

i love those old Hamburg pics!!!

Old Breslau (even today) and Berlin rule !!!

More Hamburg pics:

View from St. Michaelis
http://s1b.directupload.net/images/081121/p29owsm3.jpg

Kaiserhof Altona
http://s4b.directupload.net/images/081121/flh622mu.jpg

Schaarmarkt with St. Michaelis
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/3gdqrl7e.gif

Kaiser-Wilhelm-Straße
http://s4b.directupload.net/images/081121/72nts6ej.gif

Speicherstadt
http://s3b.directupload.net/images/081121/u8tdofc9.jpg

Holländischer Brook
http://s5b.directupload.net/images/081121/lgqxz8zg.jpg

Harbor
http://s4b.directupload.net/images/081121/hpqxbxip.jpg

Zollfleet
http://s4b.directupload.net/images/081121/95v2vplf.jpg

Speicherstadt bridge
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/dgnekbiv.jpg

St. Katharinen
http://s5b.directupload.net/images/081121/m4blliw4.jpg

Nikolaifleet
http://s3b.directupload.net/images/081121/xm4rijor.jpg

http://s5b.directupload.net/images/081121/ryoxbuly.jpg

Hopfenmarkt
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/8fp37foq.jpg

Dammtorstraße
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/vkadovxq.jpg

Spielbudenplatz St. Pauli
http://s6b.directupload.net/images/081121/w3oz6mvj.jpg

http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/jf5audsf.jpg

Rödingsmarkt
http://s3b.directupload.net/images/081121/9dgup46t.jpg

http://s3b.directupload.net/images/081121/yhs7djnm.jpg

http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/4hpansmn.gif

Jungfernstieg
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/9m56fexn.jpg
@ erbse: Das ist übrigens das echte Vorkriegsgebäude an den Alsterarkaden (welches heute dort noch mehr oder weniger steht), nicht das von dir hier (http://www.aphforum.de/architektur-forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1605&start=168) gezeigte. ;)


Messberg
http://s2b.directupload.net/images/081121/rj3oyq9h.jpg

Awww... I could cry looking at this pictures... ;(
And I thought Hamburg was pretty good preserved even after the war.

War is so horrible...

lovely pictures from old Germany , they knew how to build beautiful Cities with all that magnificent houses and buildings and everything around them !

Heres another thundering disgrace -

Vinegar House in Bremen (Essighaus).

Before ->

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Essighausca1907.jpg

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04304e07b.jpg

After ->

http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/MI04304e09b.jpg

Bottom floor is still there, but fits terribly badly with the rest.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Bremen_-_Essighaus_-_Utluchten.jpg/800px-Bremen_-_Essighaus_-_Utluchten.jpg

Whoever ok-ed that 'reconstruction' should be shot.

Fantastic pics!

Germany kept most of its monuments (cathedrals, castles etc.). But it's infinitely sad to see all those fantastic civic buildings gone :cry:

Awesome pictures , especially Hamburg.