Are there any additional major and medium sized U.S. cities, besides NYC, that have a 24 hour lifestyle? And, are more cities across the nation becoming this way?

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las vegas for sure.

Miami Beach is even more 24/7 then New York. Probably the only place in America with traffic jams at 4am. Even subway restaraunts are open 24 hours there.

Las Vegas and Miami Beach for sure. Besides Subways there's a huge 24 hr restaurant in Miami Beach where I ate at 4:00am. It sits on a corner and it was packed to the gills. I wish I could remember the name of that place.

11th Street Diner? A friend of mine used to work there. Introduced me to Will Smith one morning at about 3:30.

I think most cities are starting to become that way. However, when you say "city", are you talking about overall or the central business district/downtown?

There are no 24 hour cities, not even NYC. There are just 24 hour neighborhoods.

11th Street Diner? A friend of mine used to work there. Introduced me to Will Smith one morning at about 3:30.

I think most cities are starting to become that way. However, when you say "city", are you talking about overall or the central business district/downtown?

The entire municipality.

There are no 24 hour cities, not even NYC. There are just 24 hour neighborhoods.

I think Vegas is the only true 24 hour city. Almost everything there is open 24 hours.

11th Street Diner? A friend of mine used to work there. Introduced me to Will Smith one morning at about 3:30.

I think most cities are starting to become that way. However, when you say "city", are you talking about overall or the central business district/downtown?

That's it!! Thanks. That must have been cool meeting Will Smith.

Well, I'd consider Chicago and LA to be 24 hour. Miami and Vegas are also 24 hour in a certain way.

Everything in Vegas is 24 hours, from restaurants, to bars, to casinos. You dont even realize what time it is, because you dont have to leave at a certain time. Also, LA is 24 hours in some parts, notably Hollywood, although we have the stupid 2 am cutoff time here in California (might change to 4 next year)

I think Vegas is the only true 24 hour city. Almost everything there is open 24 hours.

In and around the strip, or in the entire city? Concerning Miami Beach, yes technically it is its own city, but lets face it...it functions as the entertainment and nightlife district of Miami. Its a bit of a different story I would say.

In and around the strip, or in the entire city?

In and around the strip is the only area I've been to, but I'd bet that the rest of the city stays open all night too since so many people work at the casinos and many of them don't have 9-5 jobs. I can't think of another city where one industry completely dominates the local economy and that industry is a 24 hour industry. Regular business hours don't exist in Vegas.

Everything in Vegas is 24 hours, from restaurants, to bars, to casinos. You dont even realize what time it is, because you dont have to leave at a certain time. Also, LA is 24 hours in some parts, notably Hollywood, although we have the stupid 2 am cutoff time here in California (might change to 4 next year)

there is also no clocks in the casinos.

New York City - The city that NEVER sleeps
Miami
Las Vegas
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Chicago - maybe

all big cities in america have 24 hour areas. however, i have yet to see a big city that is entirely 24 hour through and through. even sections of NYC out in the burroughs can get very sleepy.

all big cities in america have 24 hour areas. however, i have yet to see a big city that is entirely 24 hour through and through. even sections of NYC out in the burroughs can get very sleepy.

This is true, a couple years ago I was in NYC for New Years and was staying in Astoria Queens and it was pretty much dead by 2 in the morning.

Out of all of the places that I've been, Vegas has the largest area of 24 activity. That should not be surprising.

Chicago
Philadelphia-maybe
San Fransico

Ever been to Manhattan on a Sunday? Apparently the 'city that never sleeps' at least decides to get in a nap on Sundays.

:)

I agree with Shanky's take that it's really about neighborhoods.

Out of all of the places that I've been, Vegas has the largest area of 24 activity

I'd agree with that. Vegas is also 24 hours every day of the week. Some of the other cities really only approach 24 hours on weekends.

I'm not sure how LA could be called a 24-hr city. We have lots of people so there are always cars on the streets/freeways but there's not really much to do in the middle of the night, even on weekends. As LASF pointed out even the clubs in LA close at 2am.

Not all clubs in LA close at 2am, go to a few black clubs for a change. They stop serving liquor at that time, but there are afterhour clubs. I've been to a few in my clubbing days that stayed open til 6am.

But to be honest, no american city I've been to is 24 hours. Even Manhattan dies down in the early hours of the am. I've even waited for a subway (times square area) at 5am on a Saturday morning when there was only 4 other people. Not another soul came through, it was completly dead. Just this past week, my friends from Fresno just came back from NYC. They stayed at the at the Roosevelt Hotel (45 & Madison), and then moved over to the Plaza for one day. Both areas they complained how many things closed down early. They noticed many of the stores and shops closed even earlier than Fresno. I know that many areas of Manhattan stay open very late, but I was a bit taken back. Perhaps because when I stayed in Manhattan, I was in the upper west side 71st near Amsterdam. Even this area wasn't 24 hours, and slowed down after quite a bit after midnight.

yeah, I have been to NYC, LV, and Miami. None of these cities are REALLY 24/7 cities.

Las Vegas is the only truly "24-hr"City in the US IMO.

the majority of Vegas is compromised of sprawling tract homes and strip malls with chains, so your average Best Buy and Target is not gonna be hoppin off at 3 AM.

And NYC isn't 24 hours either, don't quantify an entire city by extremely small parts of the city. At night, 80% of the city is closed businesses with steel barriers over the storefronts covered with graffiti.

There are no 24/7 cities in the US. None.

Chicago is by no means 24 hours, but it is at least a 20 hour city depending on neighborhood. The central business district of the Loop closes almost EVERYTHING at 5, but if you go down Division Street at 4AM you will see lines out the doors at small restaurants filled with people leaving the 4AM bars. Go down Belmont at 4AM and you'll see a throng of people at Clarkes, heck even goto the South Loop Club and until 5AM you'll see a hearty crowd of early morning drinkers. However, walk down S Michigan Ave. at 11PM, and you'll find the opposite, barely a car on the street. Walk through Grant Park at 1AM and the only movement you'll see is bums traveling between garbage cans. So really its sportatic gatherings from place to place, as I imagine it is in NYC too but to a slightly larger scale. There is a reason why those two cities have the only two 24 hour subway lines in the US

^Every route isn't 24 hours in Chicago, nor is every station open for service in NYC all night. Most big cities have some sort of 24 public transportation, even LA has 24hr bus service, and trains run late with only a few hours of non service. Having subway service around the clock isn't a true indicator, and don't prove anthing. Look at London, all of their subways (Tube) stops at midnight, and its probably closer to a 24hr city than Chicago. :)

any small towns by the interstates with 24 hours fast food and a 24hour Walmart in the middle of them.

^Every route isn't 24 hours in Chicago, nor is every station open for service in NYC all night. Most big cities have some sort of 24 public transportation, even LA has 24hr bus service, and trains run late with only a few hours of non service. Having subway service around the clock isn't a true indicator, and don't prove anthing. Look at London, all of their subways (Tube) stops at midnight, and its probably closer to a 24hr city than Chicago. :)


Yeah I didn't say it was the true indicator, but it does prove that there is some reason people require train service 24 hours a day. Even despite the budget crisis surrounding the CTA, most people are very stubborn to give up the Red and Blue line's 24 hour service.

By the same standards, LA is also a 20 hour city depending on neighborhood. Overall though, American cities are not 24/7 cities. Go to Asia, then decide.

New York City - The city that NEVER sleeps
Miami
Las Vegas
Los Angeles
San Francisco
Chicago - maybe

I gotta disagree with San Francisco and LA. Last call is 2AM and the bars/clubs are CLOSED. Everyone goes home or to private after parties. There isn't much happening on the streets, either. Boston has a similarly early closing time.

LV
Miami
I'm inclined to say Chicago but I haven't been.

DC deserves honorable mention for working toward 24hrs but they're not there yet.

Not all clubs in LA close at 2am, go to a few black clubs for a change. They stop serving liquor at that time, but there are afterhour clubs. I've been to a few in my clubbing days that stayed open til 6am.

But to be honest, no american city I've been to is 24 hours. Even Manhattan dies down in the early hours of the am. I've even waited for a subway (times square area) at 5am on a Saturday morning when there was only 4 other people. Not another soul came through, it was completly dead. Just this past week, my friends from Fresno just came back from NYC. They stayed at the at the Roosevelt Hotel (45 & Madison), and then moved over to the Plaza for one day. Both areas they complained how many things closed down early. They noticed many of the stores and shops closed even earlier than Fresno. I know that many areas of Manhattan stay open very late, but I was a bit taken back. Perhaps because when I stayed in Manhattan, I was in the upper west side 71st near Amsterdam. Even this area wasn't 24 hours, and slowed down after quite a bit after midnight.

Manhattan is 24-hrs in certain neighborhoods. You've gotta get to the villages, Chelsea, even Hells Kitchen to find the nightlife. The businesses and restaurants catering to suits in Midtown won't be open of course. There's even parts of the outer boroughs that are more active at night than many parts of Manhattan. And for the subways, we all know that the trains are so infrequent during overnight hours and that there is no express or skip stop service (and if you need to transfer, forget about it! A ride from Prince to 116th on the N and 1 will take an hour! Please write to our congresspeople) so splitting a cab with friends is the way to go. Ever ridden in a cab up 8th through Chelsea at 4AM? Nothing but cabs on the street and they play ugly with each other!

Did you expect a 24-hr party on every block? Does any city in the world have that?

Part of Miami are 24hrs but almost all of Miami Beach is (yes it is its own City). Miami Beach probably has the highest percentage of its stores and businesses open (and crowded) 24/7 than any city in america. This is MIAMI BEACH I am talking about not Miami. Separate cities.

I gotta disagree with San Francisco and LA. Last call is 2AM and the bars/clubs are CLOSED.

What does last call have to do with clubs and cafes closing? LA has just as many clubs open til' 4am as any major city like Chicago, and they aren't all in Hollywood/West Ho either - they just stop serving drinks at 2am (law-abiding one's at least). Stop making uneducated assumptions if you haven't been here. The nightlife in LA rivals the biggest American citys' and surpasses almost all of them.

And if you've absolutely got to drink at 3:27am, head to one of the ethnic enclaves in LA and you can get a brewski (illegally) at 3-4am and dance to your hearts content while you cough the early morning away on a pack of reds, illegally.

Not much happens in Chicago's streets or pretty much any other American city's streets at 3am either. Don't kid yourself.

What does last call have to do with clubs and cafes closing? LA has just as many clubs open til' 4am as any major city like Chicago, and they aren't all in Hollywood/West Ho either - they just stop serving drinks at 2am (law-abiding one's at least). Stop making uneducated assumptions if you haven't been here. The nightlife in LA rivals the biggest American citys' and surpasses almost all of them.

And if you've absolutely got to drink at 3:27am, head to one of the ethnic enclaves in LA and you can get a brewski (illegally) at 3-4am and dance to your hearts content while you cough the early morning away on a pack of reds, illegally.

Not much happens in Chicago's streets or pretty much any other American city's streets at 3am either. Don't kid yourself.

I'm not making assumptions at all. In the past 2 years I've been to LA twice and SF once. The bars and clubs I went to kicked people out onto the street after 2. My friends who live there said that's how it is and you go to after parties or home. Maybe I'll check out the "ethnic" nightlife next time.

You don't even need to check out ethnic clubs. There are numerous "mainstream" clubs open til 3-4am in Los Angeles.

You got kicked out of those clubs for a simple reason. They close at 2am. Same thing will happen when you hit clubs which close at 2 in Chicago, Boston, or NYC.

My friend who moved from Chicago to Los Angeles says that LA is nowhere near the late night city that Chicago is. I've partied in Los Angeles and while there are some great spots they close early unless they are "after hours" spots at someone's house or loft.

My friend who moved from Chicago to Los Angeles says that LA is nowhere near the late night city that Chicago is. I've partied in Los Angeles and while there are some great spots they close early unless they are "after hours" spots at someone's house or loft.

Well your friend has an opinion which reflects an individual experience. My experience was relatively similar to your friend's - except with the cities reversed. Chicago had tons of late night bars, breweries, and pubs to chug long alcohol-filled hours away at, but the numbers and types of diversions were incomparable. Chicago simply isn't nearly as diverse nor comprehensive as LA. It's just not as eclectic as LA....in fact, it's not even close - unless your idea of nightlife is strictly "pub-only" and heavy on things western.

Chicago's merit vs. LA is in having late last-calls and terrific walkability/transit; everything is clustered in a tight area. LA's is too, but in multitudes of clusters rather than few (being that it's multi-nodal, if you want to hop from a gay club in Weho to a Soju bar near DT, or a booking club in K-town, or an MTV/tea house in China Valley for instance, you'd need to drive) which is probably responsible for many a (white) newcomer and visitors disappointment - especially middle-america caucasians with few ethnic buddies who party. They might not ever hear about it even after living for a year. That's how big LA is...as with many things, you can't measure it by Chicago's standards because they simply don't apply.

It's like the issue of comparing Chicago's Chinatown with LA's China Valley: LA's resembles taipei or HK while Chicago's resembles, well, Chinatown USA....and Chicagoans and other LA virgins can't conceive of LA's iterations since they measure things by their own standards - it would be a culture shock (e.g. my filipino friend from San Diego was flabergasted by LA's asian night scene after I intro'd him - utter culture shock)

Things like Soju bars, MTV's, KTV's, Hookah joint's, and ethnic nightclubs were far lacking vs LA, and beyond the two Hollywoods, the choice of partaking in late night activities in or around Koreatown, China Valley, Santa Monica, Long Beach, the Latino scene (huge), Pasadena, and the numerous Persian bars make things far more interesting than mainstream nightclubs and pubs which resemble Cheer's, both of which are in abundant supply in both LA and Chi.

And I know Chicago has ethnic nightlife as well, but trust me, it's dwarfed by LA's. Many of the activities in places I listed absolutely cannot be found in Chicago, or any other city in the country. Remember, all this is in addition to a mainstream nightlife which at the very worst, for discussion's sake, cannot be far off from Chicago's by mere virtue of LA's stature (but at least from experience, is more substantial anyhow)

Of course that's my opinion, one which is derived from firsthand experience. Or maybe I oughta see more of Chicago in case I missed these things...but I doubt it

^Long reply because LA's a complicated beast to explain to "traditionalists"

^Every route isn't 24 hours in Chicago, nor is every station open for service in NYC all night. Most big cities have some sort of 24 public transportation, even LA has 24hr bus service, and trains run late with only a few hours of non service. Having subway service around the clock isn't a true indicator, and don't prove anthing. Look at London, all of their subways (Tube) stops at midnight, and its probably closer to a 24hr city than Chicago. :)
Every station is open 24 hours, just not all entrances, but there is always at least one 24 hour entrance at all stations.

Well your friend has an opinion which reflects an individual experience. My experience was relatively similar to your friend's - except with the cities reversed. Chicago had tons of late night bars, breweries, and pubs to chug long alcohol-filled hours away at, but the numbers and types of diversions were incomparable. Chicago simply isn't nearly as diverse nor comprehensive as LA. It's just not as eclectic as LA....in fact, it's not even close - unless your idea of nightlife is strictly "pub-only" and heavy on things western.
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You speak a lot of bullshit, Chicago is every bit as eclectic as LA, in nightlife and daylife. Pubs? What do you base this on, episodes of Perfect Strangers? There's entire newspapers dedicated to many different types of nightlife around the city(and suburbs), in many different concentrations and areas. First thing, you said that all nightlife is based in a central area, which is a out and out lie. If you missed something that major, how can you expect someone to respect your "informed" opinion?

There's ethnicities that Chicago has more of than LA and vice versa, gimme a fucking break. By your same token of saying that LA has more Asian after hours spots, I can say that Chicago has more and a greater diversity of black after hours spots. The same thing with Polish, Puerto Rican, etc.

I've noticed this trend here, those who are well informed about their cities by virtue are usually ignorant of others, but at the same time have an arrogance that makes them believe they have the authority to make false assumptions about the other city.

You speak a lot of bullshit, Chicago is every bit as eclectic as LA, in nightlife and daylife. Pubs? What do you base this on, episodes of Perfect Strangers? There's entire newspapers dedicated to many different types of nightlife around the city(and suburbs), in many different concentrations and areas. First thing, you said that all nightlife is based in a central area, which is a out and out lie. If you missed something that major, how can you expect someone to respect your "informed" opinion?


But Chicago doesn't have nighlife in a Pasadena, a Santa Monica, a Long Beach, does it? At least not to the extent it occurs in LA. You tell me that's bullshit because I think what you're telling me is bullshit. What you think Evanston tips the balance here? People often get the impression LA has shitty nighlife becuase they expect it to all be in the city - hence the judgement on the two hollywoods. Does Chicago offer a similar scenario goonsta? Think about the built environment. How different is it between the two cities? You honestly don't think that has an effect on the average angelino's ability to tie all of it together, much less a Chicago-minded newcomer? I think that's a load of crap that Chicago and LA can be compared along the same lines, that's what I think, and I think you're generalizing the two waay too much.


There's ethnicities that Chicago has more of than LA and vice versa, gimme a fucking break. By your same token of saying that LA has more Asian after hours spots, I can say that Chicago has more and a greater diversity of black after hours spots. The same thing with Polish, Puerto Rican, etc.

But there's far more that LA has that Chicago doesn't in terms of large groups of ethnicities. Speak of one thing else, goonsta....CRITICAL MASS. Heard of it? I don't know if you've ever been or how many times you've been to LA, but there's a lot more than a couple enormous ethnic groups here. Give ME a break. You're probably speaking from your general understanding of both being diverse but you know LA is far more diverse and far larger. LA is handicapped by its built environment and judgements based on the ignorance that this entails is bullshit to me - no matter how many an innocent visitor it afflicts.


You can blather all you want about your theory about arrogance with your highfaluting diatribe, but I think you're as jaded as you think I am. I simply disagree with you. Get over it. If arrogance is what you need to label my truth with then so be it.

"But Chicago doesn't have nighlife in a Pasadena, a Santa Monica, a Long Beach, does it? At least not to the extent it occurs in LA. You tell me that's bullshit because I think what you're telling me is bullshit. What you think Evanston tips the balance here?"

Evanston doesn't, I'm sure, but what he's getting at is that Chicago is a big city, area-wise, and there are nightspots flung all over it. I'm not sure what you're arguing--that if the hotspots are 20 miles apart instead of 10, they're better somehow?

"But there's far more that LA has that Chicago doesn't in terms of large groups of ethnicities. Speak of one thing else, goonsta....CRITICAL MASS. Heard of it? I don't know if you've ever been or how many times you've been to LA, but there's a lot more than a couple enormous ethnic groups here. Give ME a break. You're probably speaking from your general understanding of both being diverse but you know LA is far more diverse and far larger. LA is handicapped by its built environment and judgements based on the ignorance that this entails is bullshit to me - no matter how many an innocent visitor it afflicts."

Wait. How many things does LA have that Chicago doesn't, and vice-versa? We're talking about two enormous and enormously cosmopolitan cities here. All right, LA kicks Chicago's ass for Asians; Chicago kicks LA's ass for blacks. Mexicans, LA, Puerto Ricans, Chicago. All Eastern Europeans go to Chicago. Etc. But it's not as if there are no Asians in Chicago and no blacks in LA. I think you're overstating a little bit the differences here.

And LA way more diverse than Chicago? Come on now. Calm down.

"You can blather all you want about your theory about arrogance with your highfaluting diatribe, but I think you're as jaded as you think I am. I simply disagree with you. Get over it."

I love how you end with "Get over it," as if you were any less pissed off or into this argument than Goonsta was.

Before he points it out, Chicago doesn't kick LA's ass for Mexicans...

Before he points it out, Chicago doesn't kick LA's ass for Mexicans...

Chicago has a lot of Mexicans, but I'm sure LA has more Mexicans than Chicago.

For what it's worth, this is what citydata.com has for racial diversity for both cities:

Races in Chicago:

Black (36.8%)
White Non-Hispanic (31.3%)
Hispanic (26.0%)
Other race (13.6%)
Two or more races (2.9%)
Chinese (1.1%)
Filipino (1.0%)
Asian Indian (0.9%)
American Indian (0.7%)
Other Asian (0.5%)

Races in Los Angeles:

Hispanic (46.5%)
White Non-Hispanic (29.7%)
Other race (25.7%)
Black (11.2%)
Two or more races (5.2%)
Filipino (2.7%)
Korean (2.5%)
Chinese (1.7%)
American Indian (1.4%)
Japanese (1.0%)
Other Asian (0.9%)
Asian Indian (0.7%)
Vietnamese (0.5%)

http://www.city-data.com/


At least "racially", the city of Chicago appears to be more evenly mixed than the city of Los Angeles, in other words, more diverse. The suburbs could be a different story, but we're talking about Los Angeles and Chicago.

Before anyone jumps on me about hispanic not being a "race", that's the way that citydata.com lists the data for races.


Back on topic.

Like I said before, Las Vegas is the most 24 hour city in the United States.

But Chicago doesn't have nighlife in a Pasadena, a Santa Monica, a Long Beach, does it? At least not to the extent it occurs in LA. You tell me that's bullshit because I think what you're telling me is bullshit. What you think Evanston tips the balance here? People often get the impression LA has shitty nighlife becuase they expect it to all be in the city - hence the judgement on the two hollywoods. Does Chicago offer a similar scenario goonsta? Think about the built environment. How different is it between the two cities? You honestly don't think that has an effect on the average angelino's ability to tie all of it together, much less a Chicago-minded newcomer? I think that's a load of crap that Chicago and LA can be compared along the same lines, that's what I think, and I think you're generalizing the two waay too much.


Congratulations, you are stating what I already know. Now, if you read the paragraph you would see that I called you out on your bogus contention that Chicago's nightlife is nowhere near as eclectic as LA's. What the flying 747 fuck does multiple centers in sattelite cities have to do with how eclectic a place is? Oh, but I know, Chicago's nightlife consists of mostly "pubs". Yeah, and Paris Hilton is a full figured woman.


But there's far more that LA has that Chicago doesn't in terms of large groups of ethnicities. Speak of one thing else, goonsta....CRITICAL MASS. Heard of it? I don't know if you've ever been or how many times you've been to LA, but there's a lot more than a couple enormous ethnic groups here. Give ME a break. You're probably speaking from your general understanding of both being diverse but you know LA is far more diverse and far larger. LA is handicapped by its built environment and judgements based on the ignorance that this entails is bullshit to me - no matter how many an innocent visitor it afflicts.


I'm aware of critical mass. What of it? Are you trying to use term in a roundabout way of creating an arbitrary number of people to where a certain ethnic group's nightlife is relevant? How does this void out what I mentioned? If you're saying LA has everything Chicago offers and more, what I posted in that paragraph discredits that claim. There are a lot of factors to consider when talking about something as complex as "NIGHTLIFE". A cities size and diversity have little to no meaning on the issue, especially when you are comparing two world class cities with completely different types of diversity. Unless you can tally every single type of nightlife establishment in both metropolitan areas and seperate them by category, you know about as much as I do in this issue.


You can blather all you want about your theory about arrogance with your highfaluting diatribe, but I think you're as jaded as you think I am. I simply disagree with you. Get over it. If arrogance is what you need to label my truth with then so be it.

Your truth is just an uniformed assumption.

Don't tell me this is becoming another Chicago vs LA thread...

You don't even need to check out ethnic clubs. There are numerous "mainstream" clubs open til 3-4am in Los Angeles.

You got kicked out of those clubs for a simple reason. They close at 2am. Same thing will happen when you hit clubs which close at 2 in Chicago, Boston, or NYC.

But you can't get a drink. I don't know how popular that is on the west coast but over here once a place stops serving, even if they don't close up, the crowd thins out pretty quickly.

Congratulations, you are stating what I already know. Now, if you read the paragraph you would see that I called you out on your bogus contention that Chicago's nightlife is nowhere near as eclectic as LA's. What the flying 747 fuck does multiple centers in sattelite cities have to do with how eclectic a place is? Oh, but I know, Chicago's nightlife consists of mostly "pubs". Yeah, and Paris Hilton is a full figured woman.

Well sattelite centers have less to do with eclecticism and more to do with a person's impression with a place's identity and cohesiveness, and ultimately with a person's understanding of a place. So congratulations on calling me on something I never contended. Dive bars, pubs, holes, joints, whatever. Don't forget nightclubs. Wouldn't want you to forget nightclubs.

I'm aware of critical mass. What of it? Are you trying to use term in a roundabout way of creating an arbitrary number of people to where a certain ethnic group's nightlife is relevant? How does this void out what I mentioned?

Everything's arbitrary goonsta. Where did you get the contention we had to be roundabout to understand that much. But for a greater purpose of resolution, there are differences potentiated by mass that under your catch-all take on it, seems to overlook. I for one, don't think Paris Hilton is fat.


If you're saying LA has everything Chicago offers and more, what I posted in that paragraph discredits that claim.

As far as ethnic nightlife goes, yes LA has more of it - as far as I can tell. What's your beef with that? A person's understanding goes as far as his experience, a point I've made before. But anyways, LA also has more ethnic groups according to the US Census. Far more of which are far, far larger. The result: the largest nightclub in the metro is Korean and *not* mainstream. A fact that's in line with a Korean population numbering in the hundreds of thousands. Is that such a surprise? Of course a blanket assumption that mass is *completely* irrelevant negates this.

So does that mean LA has everything Chicago has to offer? Well, did I ever say that? Like you said, Chicago has Puerto Ricans, Polish, Greeks, and other groups that LA doesn't, in a matter of speaking.


There are a lot of factors to consider when talking about something as complex as "NIGHTLIFE". A cities size and diversity have little to no meaning on the issue, especially when you are comparing two world class cities with completely different types of diversity. Unless you can tally every single type of nightlife establishment in both metropolitan areas and seperate them by category, you know about as much as I do in this issue.

Well stopping short of tallying and categorically chronicalling all the establishments, I've said what I've said and so have you. Whoever claimed to know more than the other about this issue? I haven't heard either one of us use a claim that absolute. The only absolute that can be claimed is self righteousness on your behalf. I respect your opinion, but think you're full of shit. And you probably also reciprocate the latter. Can we agree on that?


Your truth is just an uniformed assumption.

No more of one than yours. But you've demonstrated your understanding of that much.

But you can't get a drink. I don't know how popular that is on the west coast but over here once a place stops serving, even if they don't close up, the crowd thins out pretty quickly.

As far as that part of things goes, not having the late hours that bars in some east coast cities have may be an impediment to nightlife. But it's just as easy to find a place to hang well in to the wee hours, and contrary to Dampyre's friend's experience, *the majority* of people do not go home to house parties after a night out. And drinks still can be had, though regrettably, not as readily.

An important factor to think of is size. Yeah it's not a direct correlation, as others have made it clear, but it still counts. My point is, of the many cities in the US, most still can't offer the array of late night activities LA does, in spite of a later last-call back east. Why? Eastern cities tend to be much smaller and yes, less diverse than LA. Only cities like NY, Chicago fit in the class of cities with such a massing to support such a diverse array of activities into the night.

Basically, last call is only one of the many factors contributing to nightlife. I don't believe in a myopic view of this topic based solely on what time booze stops flowing.

"But Chicago doesn't have nighlife in a Pasadena, a Santa Monica, a Long Beach, does it? At least not to the extent it occurs in LA. You tell me that's bullshit because I think what you're telling me is bullshit. What you think Evanston tips the balance here?"

Evanston doesn't, I'm sure, but what he's getting at is that Chicago is a big city, area-wise, and there are nightspots flung all over it. I'm not sure what you're arguing--that if the hotspots are 20 miles apart instead of 10, they're better somehow?

see above


Wait. How many things does LA have that Chicago doesn't, and vice-versa? We're talking about two enormous and enormously cosmopolitan cities here. All right, LA kicks Chicago's ass for Asians; Chicago kicks LA's ass for blacks. Mexicans, LA, Puerto Ricans, Chicago. All Eastern Europeans go to Chicago. Etc. But it's not as if there are no Asians in Chicago and no blacks in LA. I think you're overstating a little bit the differences here.

And LA way more diverse than Chicago? Come on now. Calm down.



Actually, metropolitan diversity is no comparison. For the rest, read the above.

Well sattelite centers have less to do with eclecticism and more to do with a person's impression with a place's identity and cohesiveness, and ultimately with a person's understanding of a place. So congratulations on calling me on something I never contended. Dive bars, pubs, holes, joints, whatever. Don't forget nightclubs. Wouldn't want you to forget nightclubs.
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With every passing sentence, your lie that you've been to Chicago becomes ever more clear. I'm suprised you didn't add in Polish Sausage joints. Yea, Chicago's nightlife consists of bars and clubs and thats it, oh yeah, don't forget EVANSTON!


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As far as ethnic nightlife goes, yes LA has more of it - as far as I can tell. What's your beef with that? A person's understanding goes as far as his experience, a point I've made before. But anyways, LA also has more ethnic groups according to the US Census. Far more of which are far, far larger. The result: the largest nightclub in the metro is Korean and *not* mainstream. A fact that's in line with a Korean population numbering in the hundreds of thousands. Is that such a surprise? Of course a blanket assumption that mass is *completely* irrelevant negates this.


There you go again with the unsubstantied claims. What does "as far as I can tell" refer too, some secret knowledge you have that I don't? As far as I can tell is something you say when it looks like its going to rain. As far as I can tell is something you say when a when a person gets caught in a vat of boiling hot chocolate, and someone is questioning you about whether they survived or not. If you happen to have these facts as far as you can tell, bring em out, show me, put it on display, wrap that motherfucker in plastic, post it on collegeclub.com, until then......




Well stopping short of tallying and categorically chronicalling all the establishments, I've said what I've said and so have you. Whoever claimed to know more than the other about this issue? I haven't heard either one of us use a claim that absolute. The only absolute that can be claimed is self righteousness on your behalf. I respect your opinion, but think you're full of shit. And you probably also reciprocate the latter. Can we agree on that?


Obviously, as far as I can tell you know more about me on this issue, so g'head, educate me on it? I won't agree with you on this last sentence because if I posted what I think of you, I'd probably be banned. I feel bad that you only said I'm full of shit. You see I've been to LA, been there and back (with pictures), been to places most wouldn't step foot outside a car, met real LA forumers, and they know what I think of LA. You'll never know, cause I don't base an opinion on a place as large and complex as it on numbers, or even years of experience. I learned that from being born and raised in a place where I encounter new suprises every week. I'll be back there this year and we'll see how full of shit I am.

With every passing sentence, your lie that you've been to Chicago becomes ever more clear. I'm suprised you didn't add in Polish Sausage joints. Yea, Chicago's nightlife consists of bars and clubs and thats it, oh yeah, don't forget EVANSTON!

How many soju bars did you visit on your last venture to LA? You didn't visit koreatown did you? With every response you provide, I'm beginning to get a clearer picture of the holes in your theory. Since LA and Chicago are both so vast I *have* to have gone to a Polish Sausage joint, much less provided this particular tidbit in an online forum for your satisfaction. Get a life.


There you go again with the unsubstantied claims. What does "as far as I can tell" refer too, some secret knowledge you have that I don't? As far as I can tell is something you say when it looks like its going to rain. As far as I can tell is something you say when a when a person gets caught in a vat of boiling hot chocolate, and someone is questioning you about whether they survived or not. If you happen to have these facts as far as you can tell, bring em out, show me, put it on display, wrap that motherfucker in plastic, post it on collegeclub.com, until then......

You're having way too much fun painting colorful vignettes based on anger. "As far as I can tell" is what appears to be a vain attempt to satiate your unscrupulous desire to find some type of semantic-based evidence to disprove what cannot be disproven - an opinion. An opinon I hold in higher regard than yours. An opinion which apparently stands in the way of your desire to pride yourself on something tied to your city.


Obviously, as far as I can tell you know more about me on this issue, so g'head, educate me on it? I won't agree with you on this last sentence because if I posted what I think of you, I'd probably be banned. I feel bad that you only said I'm full of shit.

That's great. An explanation that got you no further towards your goal of making yourself sound right-er than I do.


You see I've been to LA, been there and back (with pictures), been to places most wouldn't step foot outside a car, met real LA forumers, and they know what I think of LA. You'll never know, cause I don't base an opinion on a place as large and complex as it on numbers, or even years of experience. I learned that from being born and raised in a place where I encounter new suprises every week. I'll be back there this year and we'll see how full of shit I am.

Well people base opinions on different things. Me, not on booze alone, not on numbers alone, and not on experience alone, being a few of them. See, I can spell too. Surprises every week. Great. Anecdotal evidence sounds right at home with the above. Maybe I'll include it in the next response to yours, your response in which no matter how many times you might claim you've visited where you've visited, will only be "as far as you can tell" to me. If I've struck a nerve with my opinion of your town, I apoligize.

holy crap, when did this thread go and get itself all types of retarded?

and SSC proves its gross inferiority once again. why don't the mods shut down crap-fests like this one? i don't get it.

How many soju bars did you visit on your last venture to LA? You didn't visit koreatown did you? With every response you provide, I'm beginning to get a clearer picture of the holes in your theory. Since LA and Chicago are both so vast I *have* to have gone to a Polish Sausage joint, much less provided this particular tidbit in an online forum for your satisfaction. Get a life.


Tit for tat, tit for tat, I guess I should ask how many steppin' joints you've gone too? What is this, American Gladiators? Thanks for telling me, I've been raised with an appreciation of other ethnicities food since birth, now I have someplace to go on Thursday.




You're having way too much fun painting colorful vignettes based on anger. "As far as I can tell" is what appears to be a vain attempt to satiate your unscrupulous desire to find some type of semantic-based evidence to disprove what cannot be disproven - an opinion. An opinon I hold in higher regard than yours.


Oh you damn right I'm having fun, if I can't have fun here, what the hell am I doing here? I'm having fun like R.Kelly at Legoland.



That's great. An explanation that got you no further towards your goal of making yourself sound right-er than I do.


Look out for the right, watch for the hook. My left jab is vicious, but the feet move too fast for you baby!



Well people base opinions on different things. Me, not on booze alone, not on numbers alone, and not on experience alone, being a few of them. See, I can spell too. Surprises every week. Great. Anecdotal evidence sounds right at home with the above. Maybe I'll include it in the next response to yours, your response in which no matter how many times you might claim you've visited where you've visited, will only be "as far as you can tell" to me.

I've posted my LA pics from 2003 several times, so people know. You want them, you look for them. Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy my tenure here, enjoying my squid, waiting for the storm. And if one comes, I'll be right here for a response like cops answering a call of a distressed white kid.

I'm just messin with you too, no need to apologize, this is not real life. If I'm ever in town, make sure you holler at me, I enjoy your tours. Don't get the internet confused with the real world. Hahahahahahahaha!

another la vs. chicago thread...

haha its pretty funny to read this LA vs Chicago thing goin on . i lived in both cities and im gonna have to side with goonsta by a long shot. LA is in no way a more 24 hour city than Chicago!! as a matter of fact i was pretty disapointed with LA's night life . and ive see the night life in every little nook and cranny of the city and all the burbs.thats just a thing i like to do, search for all kinds of late night fun. Chicago satisfied my all night urge to party or just to go out and get some food way more than LA did.

I'm just messin with you too, no need to apologize, this is not real life. If I'm ever in town, make sure you holler at me, I enjoy your tours. Don't get the internet confused with the real world. Hahahahahahahaha!

tat for tit, tat for tit. messin' is, as messin' fit. :bash:

Downtown LA with only about 100 nude girls isnt very 24 hour...it shuts down at 10 LOL ..... but with 24 hour groceries and restaurants on Wilshire and with Dance clubs in Korea Town that stay open till day light pumping with whatever substance you desire from alcohol to E, well to raves downtown almost weekly and then I know I have been on Sunset or Santa Monica in Weho at 5 am eating and club bouncing with a bunch of upscale people, whores, and freaks. LA is pretty fuckin hoppin if you never have seen it then you arent looking.

So is Chicago...get over it all, if you are THAT insecure you have to blind out something for what it isnt then move.

Paradise Nevada is MORE 24/7 than Las Vegas, not joking. Most of the the strip is NOT in Las Vegas, but in Paradise. Also Paradise is the site of the McCarran International Airport.

Las Vegas claim all of this but all this belongs to Paradise!! You could say the strip is in the LV's metro area.

^? The Strip is in Vegas dude.

a few parts, but mostly in Paradise.

Parts of Saint Louis City are 24hrs. Like the Central West End and South Grand where there are coffee shops and restaurants

By the numbers, NY has most spots open, and peeps on the streets to fill those open spots. And I'm not from NY, and this isn't including the subway.

Vegas is a very distant 2nd.

Chi, Miami, Miami Beach, and LA? You guys are joking right?

I've gone to many cities, many times. 3am are the norm. Anything afterwards has to be considered surly activity. (which all cities have)

Plus, 24hour rest stops off rte 70 don't count. We have to say dining, shopping, music, movies, parties, and overall street activity as 24/7. The sheer numbers in The Apple eclipse the others combined...twice.

Not hooking, drug dealing, drag racing, loitering, and such on a stoop in a hood.

Let's get real people.

^ Yeah, lets get real. NYC is pretty much like the other working cities. By 2 AM, there is only nightlife in small scattered areas of Manhattan such as Midtown, The Village, and parts of Brooklyn. Everything else is closed and usually boarded up with graffiti covered steel panels, (as I said before). 3AM in Vegas is busier than any other city in the US at that time of night.

^Every route isn't 24 hours in Chicago, nor is every station open for service in NYC all night. Most big cities have some sort of 24 public transportation, even LA has 24hr bus service, and trains run late with only a few hours of non service. Having subway service around the clock isn't a true indicator, and don't prove anthing. Look at London, all of their subways (Tube) stops at midnight, and its probably closer to a 24hr city than Chicago. :)
Actually, most of the bus lines stop at 12, when the trains stop running. Then they start back up at 5, when the trains start again.

^ Yeah, lets get real. NYC is pretty much like the other working cities. By 2 AM, there is only nightlife in small scattered areas of Manhattan such as Midtown, The Village, and parts of Brooklyn. Everything else is closed and usually boarded up with graffiti covered steel panels, (as I said before). 3AM in Vegas is busier than any other city in the US at that time of night.


I agree with that.
And yet again, in those scattered areas of NY, the nightlife numbers double and/or triple all the other cities' nightlife combined. (including vegas)

Hell, the tourists alone in NY outnumber the entire population of most other cities.

Hell, the tourists alone in NY outnumber the entire population of most other cities.

Chicago gets almost as many overnight visitors as New York, some 30 million every year to the city proper alone.

I agree with that.
And yet again, in those scattered areas of NY, the nightlife numbers double and/or triple all the other cities' nightlife combined. (including vegas)

Hardly, the pedestrian traffic on the Strip in Vegas at 3AM is like Fifth Avenue during the day. No place in those scattered areas even has an infrastructure to handle that amount of people. NYC rules from 10-2AM, after that, it pretty much shuts down. Vegas keeps on going.

Hardly, the pedestrian traffic on the Strip in Vegas at 3AM is like Fifth Avenue during the day. No place in those scattered areas even has an infrastructure to handle that amount of people. NYC rules from 10-2AM, after that, it pretty much shuts down. Vegas keeps on going.

Miami Beach doesn't get started until 2AM. True, its a smaller city but basically the whole city of Miami Beach is active 24 hours with the possible of exception of about 6am to about 10am (partiers finally leaving and beach goers not yet arrived). I've been to NY many many times and yes there are many places that are 24/7 but they are isolated pockets and not as concentrated and large as South Beach (or the Strip in Vegas for that matter).