The Italian media are reporting he's dead.

:(

God bless

This could be one of those moments when you say where were you when you heard the Pope died, and we can proudly say in the Skybar.

you lie

No not yet. Anyway this is the most important italian news agency.

www.ansa.it

What about Prince Rainier? Is he still alive?

What about Prince Rainier? Is he still alive?

only just, he is in a coma. His son, Prince Albert has now gained the regency to run Monarco as Regent, until his father dies.

todays big news is michael barrymores ex wife has died. as for the pope, who cares, i wish he'd get on with it so we can get back to more important news like the jacko trial.

^yeah classic gothicform intelligent post. You really deserve to be an adm man!!!

todays big news is michael barrymores ex wife has died. as for the pope, who cares, i wish he'd get on with it so we can get back to more important news like the jacko trial.

crickey, I don't want you writing my orbituary. - It would probably go like this "It was about time he snuffed it".

todays big news is michael barrymores ex wife has died. as for the pope, who cares, i wish he'd get on with it so we can get back to more important news like the jacko trial.

Paedophilia, Jacko, Catholic church...it can all be included in one big topic.

^yeah classic gothicform intelligent post. You really deserve to be an adm man!!!

He's only have a bit of fun, I always think it's best that people laugh at funerals rather than cry. :)

todays big news is michael barrymores ex wife has died. as for the pope, who cares

Lots of people. The Pope was a great guy and played a part in abolishing Soviet Communism.

I think his role is overestimated. W/o folks like Gorbachev (and Communism's inherent flaws) it would have never happened.

I think his role is overestimated. W/o folks like Gorbachev (and Communism's inherent flaws) it would have never happened.

He played a massive part in undermining the communists in Poland, for the first time, the Poles thought they an international voice and his tour to that proudly Catholic country in the early 80's was massive.

I think his role is overestimated. W/o folks like Gorbachev (and Communism's inherent flaws) it would have never happened.

He was the spiritual leader of a billion people. How was his role overestimated?

Contradictory Italian Media Reports on Pope Health

Fri Apr 1, 2005 01:49 PM ET

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Italian media gave contradictory reports about Pope John Paul's vital signs on Friday, first saying his heart and brain activity had stopped and then reporting this was not true.
There was no official comment from the Vatican.

The first reports, picked up by the state broadcaster RAI, said his electrocardiogram had gone flat. The ADNkronos news agency said monitoring showed his brain activity had halted.

But Sky Italia television later quoted Vatican sources saying both his brain and heart were still functioning.

:rant:

The agencies should get it $%$ right before they mess up such a huge piece of new like this!

BBC says he's still alive, a bit.

This could be one of those moments when you say where were you when you heard the Pope died, and we can proudly say in the Skybar.


OK, this could be one of those moments when you say where were you when you thought that the pope had died, but then found out he was still alive, and we can proudly say in the Skybar :)

He was the spiritual leader of a billion people. How was his role overestimated?

His role in overthrowing Communism. It doesn't matter whether or not he's the spiritual leader of millions of people in South America for example. Sure, he may have played an important role in Poland but w/o the politicians this would have never happend (while Communism would have collapsed if the Pope had been another Italian).

In the last statement the Vatican said something about Jesus Christ opening the doors wide and Mary welcoming him so I guess this is the end of the road for him.

His role in overthrowing Communism. It doesn't matter whether or not he's the spiritual leader of millions of people in South America for example. Sure, he may have played an important role in Poland but w/o the politicians this would have never happend (while Communism would have collapsed if the Pope had been another Italian).

Poland was key as it was the first Eastern block country to have strikes and open internal pressure and was the first country to reform, thus producing the domino effect.

Politicians played a part, but the Pope helped give the Poles the confidence to take on the system and thus start the reaction.

I agree that Poland started it all but all I'm saying is that the eastern bloc would have collapsed regardless of the Pope's views or actions. It was only a matter of time.

^yeah classic gothicform intelligent post. You really deserve to be an adm man!!!

You never know Gothic could be a Satan worshiper

The skybar is a satanic cult ozzy, didn't you get the memo?

Poor man. Ive thought that he was realy being moved by puppet-masters pulling strings from above for a while now. If he is dead then may he RIP and I hope that the world gets another moderate like him and not some psycho, war-of-the-worlds rightie pope.

The Pope's on his way out, yet so are countless other old people at the time of speaking. Why should I specifically care about the Pope, someone who represents a faith I don't adhere to? This reminds me of the Queen Mother's passing: a lot of people loved her, so everyone who didn't had to mourn her passing. And don't get me started on the Daily Mail and the burgundy tie incident.

God bless...
http://www.olsha.org/OLSHA/pope&dove.jpg

He's still clinging on according to BBC News.

I offer this prayer to the Pope. I offer it with the utmost humility and the respect I have for the great Pontiff:


O MOST MERCIFUL JESUS, lover of souls,
I beseech Thee, by the agony of Thy most Sacred Heart,
and by the sorrows of Thine Immaculate Mother,
wash clean in the Thy Blood the sinners of the whole world
who are to die this day.

Remember most especially the soul I spiritually adopt
with the intention of entrusting him or her to Thy Shepherd's care:
I beseech Thee for the grace to move this sinner, who is in
danger of going to Hell, to repent. I ask this because of my
trust in Thy great mercy.

If it should please Thy Majesty to send me a suffering this day
in exchange for the grace I ask for this soul, then, it, too,
shall please me very much, and I thank Thee, Most Sweet Jesus,
Shepherd and Lover of Souls; I thank Thee for this
opportunity to give mercy in thanksgiving for all the mercies
Thou hast shown me. Amen.

Heart of Jesus, once in agony, have mercy on the dying.

Remeber the pope before this guy after 33 days of becoming pope he died suddenly then John paul 2 took over.
http://tinypic.com/2jwa60

Is he dead yet!?

I don't think so.

Yes he is still alive.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40816000/jpg/_40816651_cured_pope203.jpg

Is he dead yet???
No!
Is he dead yet???
No!
Is he dead yet???
No!

Well tell them to stop repeating that he isn't dead on all the fecking 24 Hours news channels then.

"New Flash, Sick old man is not dead."
"Lots of other old people died today, but we don't give a shit about them so lets get back to talking about this old guy not dying"!


I feel better now thats out of my system.

The sad thing is that all I'll remember is a Parkinson's stricken old geezer. I'm amazed at how normal he looked on pictures that were taken 15 years ago. Should have stepped down at some point.

indeed people forget how this pope came into power. the last one was a liberal, he became pope with a promise to reform the vatican bank (big scandal hit institution), approve of things like contraception and give huge amounts of vatican money away to the poor - he died "mysteriously" in his sleep after 33 days despite being in perfect health. the post mortem found no cause of death. its widely believed he was murdered, you can see the events surrounding this in godfather part 3. basically the conservative wing of the catholic church murdered a pope of the liberal wing, since then we've seen the current pope try to force out the liberal wing completely having basically purged them. the thing is he isnt a moderate, he called homosexuals evil. that was his exact word. just check out what he says on aids and condoms if you want to see how immoderate he is and if youd like to look at how he handled problems look at the vatican bank - he covered the whole thing up, basically participated in a fraud worth billions of dollars, and then when paedophile priests were everywhere he covered that up too protecting them instead of going to the authorities. in my book the pope is a criminal.

Died after 33 days in power you say? Interseting number indeed, in terms of numerology that is. *puts on conspiracy cap* The number 33 is the highest degree in the grand lodge of the Scottish Freemasons.

Died after 33 days in power you say? Interseting number indeed, in terms of numerology that is. *puts on conspiracy cap* The number 33 is the highest degree in the grand lodge of the Scottish Freemasons.

Medo you do make me laugh, you are fast becoming one of the funniest forumers in the Skybar :)

I try. :naughty:

Just announced within the last few minutes. It's for real this time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4399715.stm

yeah here's the news on BBC

:(

R.I.P

So he has. I don't care much for him but since he died, RIP.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/02/pope.dies/

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Ioannes_Paulus_PP._II.jpg

Pope John Paul II dies in Vatican

Pope John Paul II, one of the longest serving pontiffs in history, has died at the age of 84.

He died on Saturday evening following a series of worsening health problems including heart failure.

The Polish-born Karol Wojtyla became Pope in 1978, taking a conservative stand on issues such as abortion, contraception and women's rights.

He was the most widely travelled pontiff and visited more than 120 countries during his 26-year papacy.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40980000/jpg/_40980343_popeafp203.jpg
The Pope was renowned for his extraordinary willpower

'Serene'

Pope John Paul II died at 2137 local time (1937 GMT) after suffering from heart and kidney problems and unstable blood pressure.

His condition deteriorated suddenly on Thursday night with a high fever caused by an infection of the urinary tract.

The infection brought on "septic shock and a cardio-circulatory collapse", the Vatican said in a statement.

The Pope then received the Saint Viaticum, a Catholic rite for the sick and dying.

The Vatican had announced on Friday that though he was gravely ill he had been conscious, lucid and serene.

Millions of Catholics across the world gathered in churches and in the open air to pray for the Pope.

The pontiff had been suffering from breathing troubles, exacerbated by the progress of Parkinson's Disease, an incurable condition from which he had been suffering for nearly a decade.

He appeared briefly at the window of his Vatican apartment on Easter Sunday to bless the faithful, but was not able to speak.

It was the first time during his 26-year pontificate that the Pope had delegated the main Easter ceremonies to his cardinals.

He tried again to speak to the faithful a few days later - a sign of his extraordinarily strong will, correspondents say.

Fall of communism

John Paul's papacy nearly ended in 1981 when he was shot and seriously wounded as he toured St Peter's Square in Rome.

After a long period of recovery he visited and forgave the would-be assassin.

John Paul's reign saw radical changes in the world including the collapse of communism and the spread of Aids.

Although plagued by ill health throughout the latter part of his papacy he maintained his international schedule and in 2000 made a poignant pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

He also made a final, nostalgic return to his homeland in 2002.

Born Karol Wojtyla in 1920 near Krakow, Poland, John Paul was an excellent sportsman in his youth.

He gives me the horn now he's dead and looks so fuckin vunerable :laugh:

^ Grrrrrrrrr, if you got nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all, ok buddy!

^^^
But he's so fucking vunerable it really gives me the horn buddy :hilarious

Btw buddy why don't you fuck off back to the American Skybar buddy

He gives me the horn now he's dead and looks so fuckin vunerable :laugh:
Weird...

Derek & Clive -
"The Horn"
[ from the album "Ad Nauseam" (1978) ]

DEREK:
Ommmmmm om om ommm .....
CLIVE:
I'll tell you something, er, that religious singing reminded me of something.
DEREK:
Ommmm .....
CLIVE:
Did you, did you see that, er, TV coverage of the, er, the Pope when he was lying in state? The-, the last Pope, you know, John Paul?
DEREK:
Yeah.
CLIVE:
Lying in state? On that-, on that catafalque?
DEREK:
Yeah.
CLIVE:
In those robes?
DEREK:
Yeah, right.
CLIVE:
Didn't half give me the horn, that. Him lying there. He looked so fucking vulnerable, didn't he? I mean, like, I c-, I couldn't prevent myself, you know, having a wank immediately 'cause he looked-, he looked vulnerable, he looked at-, at rest and, er, somebody had, er, gone to the trouble of plucking all that hair out of his nostrils. I didn't fancy him when he was alive 'cause he had all this fucking hair up his nostrils but when they'd, er, when the cosmetician had had a go at his body and that .....
DEREK:
Well, I-, I gather, erm, he had a, you know .....
CLIVE:
I got the fucking horn in .....
DEREK:
Yeah, well .....
CLIVE:
..... just seeing him lying there.
DEREK:
Well, the make-up was fantastic on that. Who done .....
CLIVE:
But I imagine that, er, .....
DEREK:
Who done the wardrobe?
CLIVE:
What, for the Pope's funeral?
DEREK:
Yeah.

Can somebody plz bann this guy's ISP, he seems to care not as it seems this isnt his 1st account either ..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Ioannes_Paulus_PP._II.jpg

Pope John Paul II dies in Vatican

Pope John Paul II, one of the longest serving pontiffs in history, has died at the age of 84.

He died on Saturday evening following a series of worsening health problems including heart failure.

The Polish-born Karol Wojtyla became Pope in 1978, taking a conservative stand on issues such as abortion, contraception and women's rights.

He was the most widely travelled pontiff and visited more than 120 countries during his 26-year papacy.


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40980000/jpg/_40980343_popeafp203.jpg
The Pope was renowned for his extraordinary willpower

'Serene'

Pope John Paul II died at 2137 local time (1937 GMT) after suffering from heart and kidney problems and unstable blood pressure.

His condition deteriorated suddenly on Thursday night with a high fever caused by an infection of the urinary tract.

The infection brought on "septic shock and a cardio-circulatory collapse", the Vatican said in a statement.

The Pope then received the Saint Viaticum, a Catholic rite for the sick and dying.

The Vatican had announced on Friday that though he was gravely ill he had been conscious, lucid and serene.

Millions of Catholics across the world gathered in churches and in the open air to pray for the Pope.

The pontiff had been suffering from breathing troubles, exacerbated by the progress of Parkinson's Disease, an incurable condition from which he had been suffering for nearly a decade.

He appeared briefly at the window of his Vatican apartment on Easter Sunday to bless the faithful, but was not able to speak.

It was the first time during his 26-year pontificate that the Pope had delegated the main Easter ceremonies to his cardinals.

He tried again to speak to the faithful a few days later - a sign of his extraordinarily strong will, correspondents say.

Fall of communism

John Paul's papacy nearly ended in 1981 when he was shot and seriously wounded as he toured St Peter's Square in Rome.

After a long period of recovery he visited and forgave the would-be assassin.

John Paul's reign saw radical changes in the world including the collapse of communism and the spread of Aids.

Although plagued by ill health throughout the latter part of his papacy he maintained his international schedule and in 2000 made a poignant pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

He also made a final, nostalgic return to his homeland in 2002.

Born Karol Wojtyla in 1920 near Krakow, Poland, John Paul was an excellent sportsman in his youth.

Whats that buddy, you Americans what to ban me buddy, well that's the American insular attitude to everything if you don't like it ban it buddy

Can somebody plz bann this guy's ISP, he seems to care not as it seems this isnt his 1st account either ..
Are you a devout Catholic? You seem genuinely upset.

Whats that buddy, you Americans what to ban me buddy, well that's the American insular attitude to everything if you don't like it ban it buddy
You didn't happen to go by the former name of "Never" did you?

Btw fuck off back to the American forum if you don't agree with what's said here, you could at least have some fun on this forum at one time.

Are you a devout Catholic? You seem genuinely upset.

He's okay, he's just got the horn that's all

^ dude, just get a life, and dont post in the threads who's topic you dont agree with, and stop generalising and steriotyping 300 million people.

Ah the new American civil war... Atheists v Christians... ;)

He's okay, he's just got the horn that's all
If you perhaps read more carefully he was usking me! .. the answer is no i am not, however i am a christian and i think he was a great man.

^^^
You have your own forum mate, so why not go there instead of trying to impose your American Rules on this forum.

As for Americans not my country mate and I couldn't give a flying fuck about the place or it's people and consequently I don't post on their forum

If you perhaps read more carefully he was usking me! .. the answer is no i am not, however i am a christian and i think he was a great man.

So your just having a bit of a fucking gloat then, do you sneak in to other peoples funerals and have a gloat, does it give you the fuckin horn, does it.

So your just having a bit of a fucking gloat then, do you sneak in to other peoples funerals and have a gloat, does it give you the fuckin horn, does it.
I know, why don't YOU fuck off back to where you came from?

Conran, you are minutes away from being banned.

This is completely disrespectful and inappropriate.

I am British, and I am just having a bit of fun with an old Derek and Clive Sketch, but I forgot that free speach is now no longer allowed here and you can't even laugh at stuff. Hell this forum used to be like the Viz Comic of the forum world, but now it's more like the American CNN Forum.

Fuck that Wanker, my family are Catholic and I couldn't give a fuck, but that's my opinion matey.

Conran, you've got perosonality problems, you're rude, racist, care-less, un-educated, very inmature little shit!

This is completely disrespectful and inappropriate.

Fuck off back to the Canada forum then you maple leafed cunt

Conran, you've got perosonality problems, you're rude, racist, care-less, un-educated, very inmature little shit!

And you my friend are a fat American Cunt, with bad breath :hilarious

I am British, and I am just having a bit of fun with an old Derek and Clive Sketch, but I forgot that free speach is now no longer allowed here and you can't even laugh at stuff. Hell this forum used to be like the Viz Comic of the forum world, but now it's more like the American CNN Forum.

Fuck that Wanker, my family are Catholic and I couldn't give a fuck, but that's my opinion matey.
"matey" you dont come into a thread such as this one to make jokes, or lough, this isnt a happy moment nor time for jokes, its repectfull and mature to say something nice or not say anything at all. Plz grow up.

Oi getway fuck off back to the bible belt

^^ Dude, what's your problem? So full of hate...take a pill.

Mod, plz, as i know you will do, bann him, but seeing how scared he isnt, i think he's one of those account after account people, so plz kill his ip address will u. thanx

The pope still gives me the fuckin horn mate

I think he's just trying to be banned... or is that just stating the bleeding obvious?!

Free and fair elections for Vatican City!

^^ Dude, what's your problem? So full of hate...take a pill.

No I've told you, I've just got the horn mate

btw are there any English left on this forum, perhaps the last one can switch the lights off.

I'm supprised he hasnt already been, there was a mod in here a few min ago and he/she hasnt banned him yet, how bad do u need to be banned in here?

Just stating my opinion that the Pope gives me the fucking horn mate, really I am sitting here with a nine incher.

Come on then lets get this ban on.

Fuck off back to the Canada forum then you maple leafed cunt
"OOH LOOK AT ME, I'M BRITISH. D'YA HEAR, I'M BRITISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

So fucking what? You're still a loathsome lump of donkey smeg.

slightly off topic, what were his achievements under his 'reign'? There does seem to be a slight Lady Di hysteria surrounding him

^^^
And your a smelly cunt from West Derby, and stop sending PM's asking if you can suck my nine inch horn off.

slightly off topic, what were his achievements under his 'reign'? There does seem to be a slight Lady Di hysteria surrounding him
Precisely what I thought. Like the false theory that he brought down communism in Eastern Europe.

^^^
And your a smelly cunt from West Derby, and stop sending PM's asking if you can suck my nine inch horn off.
What PMs? I think you're barking up the wrong tree there, bumshine. :lol:

You're still not banned? Is there anything you can do?

slightly off topic, what were his achievements under his 'reign'? There does seem to be a slight Lady Di hysteria surrounding him

Exactly how I feel, I was never bothered about her death and the hysteria around it and I am equally not bothered about this either.

idiots like ur self dont have "nince inchers" they dont even have a dick nor balls, oh and a brain either. Get a life, grow up, act ur age .... etc.

And your a smelly cunt from West Derby, and stop sending PM's asking if you can suck my nine inch horn off.


Precisely what I thought.

:lol:


Anyway this guy wants to be banned, don't give him the attention he wants.

What PMs? I think you're barking up the wrong tree there, bumshine.

What you want to shine my bum, your a sick man, and you know what PM's I am talking about, those homoerotic ones you keep sending.

I'm supprised he hasnt already been, there was a mod in here a few min ago and he/she hasnt banned him yet, how bad do u need to be banned in here?
Yes, I'm here. I don't moderate the UK Skybar though, and have no powers here. I have notified the Admins in the staff forum though, and they'll be taking action very soon. :)

I'm a thick retarded cunt. Woohoo!
Your words not mine...

idiots like ur self dont have "nince inchers" they dont even have a dick nor balls, oh and a brain either. Get a life, grow up, act ur age .... etc

Your just jealous, because you only have a two inch pencil dick, although I bet your still aroused over that horny looking Cleric

^ oh i see, good good. Quite insulting, not the anti-americanism but the whole having a boner over pope's death, thats just way over the top to me.

Anyway this guy wants to be banned, don't give him the attention he wants.
Oh don't worry, I'm not that arsed. I love baiting dickheads like these. :lol:

Your just jealous, because you only have a two inch pencil dick, although I bet your still aroused over that horny looking Cleric
grrrrr :mad2:

Your just jealous, because you only have a two inch pencil dick, although I bet your still aroused over that horny looking Cleric
Sounds to me like you have an insecurity problem with regards to your own manhood. :hahaha:

^ oh i see, good good. Quite insulting, not the anti-americanism but the whole having a boner over pope's death, thats just way over the top to me.

Whats wrong with having the horn, he's the best looking Pope we've had for ages and he'll look fuckin great in his coffin and robes. I have the horn just thinking about it.

Ahhh mods!!!!!! i cant stand his comments anymore, they're getting sicker by a minute ..

Ahhh mods!!!!!! i cant stand his comments anymore, they're getting sicker by a minute ..
Don't get wound up by him. Laugh at him instead.

Thats right you go and cry to the mods, that's all Americans ever do, he said something I don't agree with, ban him.

Fuck off.

He gives me the horn now he's dead and looks so fuckin vunerable :laugh:

Most people on this forum, and in the UK forums, aren't even Christian. Some even hate the Church, and hate the Pope, yet they have the decency to at most say something like 'RIP :(' just cos he is an old man who has passed away. You don't have any regard for him? Fine. Don't post in this thread.

Don't fucking hijack this thread and turn it into your sexual release.

Fuck off.
Speak for yourself, bumfluff. :bleh:

Thats right you go and cry to the mods, that's all Americans ever do, he said something I don't agree with, ban him.

Fuck off.
is there any country you do like?

^^^
You want my bum fluff now Pobbie, you are a sick man.

is there any country you do like?

Yeah every country in the World apart from America and it's sad side kick Canada.

Thats right you go and cry to the mods, that's all Americans ever do, he said something I don't agree with, ban him.

Fuck off.
what a wanker!! :rofl: :hilarious :banned:

^^^
You want my bum fluff now Pobbie, you are a sick man.
How original. :hahano:

Fucking looney...

Fuck off back to the Canada forum then you maple leafed cunt
Bye Bye ... you'll be banned in no time. I didn't say anything insulting to you, so shut the hell up.

Yeah every country in the World apart from America and it's sad side kick Canada.
Australia?

Despite his irreverence, this dude is frickin hilarious. What a F*king m*ron! :hahaha:

what a wanker!!

and you my friend are a cunt

Despite his irreverence, this dude is frickin hilarious. What a F*king m*ron! :hahaha:
I know yeah. If he's not already banned, his mummy will have put him in his pyjamas and tucked him safely into bed. :lol:

and you my friend are a cunt

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

bye!! :wave:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

m*ron

You're allowed to say (or rather write) "moron" in this forum.

Despite his irreverence, this dude is frickin hilarious. What a F*king m*ron! :hahaha:
No he isnt. He is a total moron...

and you my friend are a cunt

I guess that makes me a narcisist....

Well, he's banned now.

God... Never is getting so boring :sleepy:

He's now banned. :D

lol he's BANNED :) :) :) :), 2 deaths today, 1 tragic, 1 deserved :( :) (death of his account)

He's now banned. :D

:applause:

Ironically, on the same day as the death of the pope, my cousins baby has been born in Toronto :)

lol he's BANNED :) :) :) :), 2 deaths today, 1 tragic, 1 deserved :( :) (death of his account)
You can count on the pratt coming back. He always does.

God... Never is getting so boring :sleepy:

It's quite sad really. He used to be a well-liked and respected forumer here in the UK Skybar. Now he's just become an attention seeking troll who's detested by everybody. Sad :no:

He deserved it.

^ why doesnt he get the ip bann is he keeps comming back ... just read, the pope died 23 min before christ him self, and right after easter ... coincidance?

will, you are tied with gothic on post count!

It's quite sad really. He used to be a well-liked and respected forumer here in the UK Skybar. Now he's just become an attention seeking troll who's detested by everybody. Sad :no:
I know yeah. :no:

^ why doesnt he get the ip bann is he keeps comming back ...
His IP may be dynamic so it changes every now and again. I used to have one.

will, you are tied with gothic on post count!
I know!!! :D :D :D

^ why doesnt he get the ip bann is he keeps comming back ... just read, the pope died 23 min before christ him self, and right after easter ... coincidance?

When did Jesus die?

And just like Jesus wasn't born on Christmas, he didn't die on easter (or came back?). Anyway, the point is that this doesn't mean anything.

^ lol easter is when ... FRIDAY is when they crusified him.. sunday, is when he came back to life again, well christams is jesus's birthday so meh ..

not when i take 3000 posts away from will he wont be. as for never... he doesnt have a unique ip address.

Free and fair elections for Vatican City!

I second that!!!!

^ free and fair election for the head of the Anglican Church!!!

:D

^ free and fair election for the head of the Anglican Church!!!

:D
Agree with that also.

:(

This is completely disrespectful and inappropriate.

No shit.

May the guy rest in peace...

And i'm not a practicing catholic nor im into Vatican's internal affairs therefore i can't really tell whether he was a good pope or not, but judging by the reactions of all those people he must've done pretty well.
Still, i gotta agree with Kampflamm that Pope's role in the collapse of Soviet Union is overrated big time. Seems like everyone that dies these days ends up having destroyed the USSR according to the press (Reagan, Pope, you name them). It's getting a bit annoying.

As for the new pope elections, i hope the new pope will be more liberal and up-to-date than this one was because some things that have been said by the pope, like the stuff that he said about condoms and AIDS, sounded a bit silly to be honest.

Just read this thread an thought it was highly entertaining. Yep RIP JPII although I'm not religious at all. That guy that got banned though was hilarious, and his reference to Derek & Clive was most correct. If you don't know who Derek & Clive are go do a search on Amazon and buy their CD's.

I think the guy was just pulling some chains here and got the reaction he/she was hoping for.

nice of people to pay tribute to a man who was partly responsible for this
http://www.varldskulturmuseet.se/content/1/c4/50/00/Gideon-Mendel-_446px.jpg

this on the other hand would - pope john paul said condoms spread aids. he actually started canonising people who had died of aids because theyd refused to use condoms. catholic schools all across africa now teach that condoms spread aids, this is the result.
http://www.varldskulturmuseet.se/content/1/c4/50/00/Gideon-Mendel-_446px.jpg

but helped bring an end to communism in eastern europe

Please gothic, this is going overboard. You are choosing to ignore at the same time:

1) the charity provided by the Church all over the world
2) the conciliatory gestures made to the orthodox and behalf of the Western Church
3) moves to apologize for anti-semitism.
4) the first pontiff to visit a mosque
5) emphasis on not forgetting the poor in the midst of globalization.
6) opposing the Iraq war

I have disagreed with Church policies, but as I assume that you are someone who is undoubtedly liberal, someone who should be supportive of people who express their opinions regardless of whethter or not they agree with you, it is a tad hypocritical for you to crucify someone because he disagrees with you.

:cheers:

lets see, millions of deaths vs being the first guy to visit a mosque or apologise for something done wrong hundreds of years ago, i know what i'd go for. im not crucifying him because i disagree with him, im crucifying him because hes wrong and has been responsible for the deaths of millions, possibly tens of millions of people. this is a pope who condemns governments for their safe sex approach and family planning from brazil to botswana. with almost 80 million aids/hiv infections in the world today and 23.1 million deaths he should have shut the fuck up. imagine if we looked back 700 years to the black death and saw that the pope of the time was preaching for people to deliberately get infected rather than sin and denied how to prevent it when it was proven that prevention did work, what would we think? would we think he was a great guy or someone who contributed directly to the deaths of many millions of people?

you are choosing to ignore the fact the pope deliberately helped cover up the abuse of many thousands of children worldwide, thus participating in a global paedophilic conspiracy, in this country the pope should have been prosecuted for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice because thats what he has done, he deliberately helped cover up hundreds upon hundreds of criminal acts. to put this in context its estimated that 2% of the population of eire were abused by priests as children. 2% of a single country! did he call the police? no, instead he set up secret slushfunds to try and bribe people. when jesus said "suffer the children" he didnt mean it quite so literally.

im supportive of peoples opinions unless of course it involves things like having your schools teach catholics that condoms spread aids which is wrong and teaching girls that if your husband has aids you should have unsafe sex with him and die in grace, and if you get pregnant and your kids get infected too again thats ok. the result is this -
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/world/gfx/uganda_aids_baby.JPG

the fact of the matter is above all the pope has cared about the church more than the poor, child abuse victims or simple honest. whether it was burying the vatican bank scandal after the previous pope tried to sort it or burying child abuse on an industrial scale he cared more about preserving the status and power of the catholic church at the expense of the teachings of it.

lets see, millions of deaths vs being the first guy to visit a mosque or apologise for something done wrong hundreds of years ago, i know what i'd go for. im not crucifying him because i disagree with him, im crucifying him because hes wrong and has been responsible for the deaths of millions, possibly tens of millions of people.
I want to see figures that show exactly how the pope is more responsible for these deaths than A) corrupt governments B) greedy first world countries extracting wealth and propogating a system that keeps the poor poor C) chauvinistic cultures that objectify women.

this is a pope who condemns governments for their safe sex approach and family planning from brazil to botswana. with almost 80 million aids/hiv infections in the world today and 23.1 million deaths he should have shut the fuck up. imagine if we looked back 700 years to the black death and saw that the pope of the time was preaching for people to deliberately get infected rather than sin and denied how to prevent it when it was proven that prevention did work, what would we think? would we think he was a great guy or someone who contributed directly to the deaths of many millions of people?

This quote right here is misleading. I agree that the Church's contraception guidelines are idiotic in light of the AIDS epidemic. But you know where the vast majority of those 23.1 million deaths are? In Africa. You know what Africa is mostly not? Catholic. Subsaharan Africa was primarily colonized by Britain, with certain outposts like the Congo, Mozambique, and Angola colonized by Catholic countries. Thus, I would imagine the majority of people who died in Africa, even if they were Christian, was most likely Protestant. In any case, the majority of people in subsaharan Africa are not Catholic. Therefore, why would they listen to the Pope?

AIDS in Africa is not the fault of the Church. It is the fault of inept governments such as South Africa in which AIDS is still a taboo subject and that euphemisms are used when someone dies from AIDS. Why do you think that it was such a big deal for Mandela to say that his son had died from AIDS. Swaziland, a country with a high AIDS rate, is ruled by a corrupt monarch who has dozens of wives and spends development funds on purchasing cars and living in luxury. How is the Pope more responsible in this instance?

Not to mention that there is a cultural mentality. There are people in Africa who think that you can cure yourself of AIDS by having sex with virgins. There are men in Africa who use 14 year old girls as concubines in exchange for school fees. There are men in Africa who shun the use of condomns not because some dude in Rome says not to, but because "real men" do not use condomns. Not to mention that many African cultures are completely homophobic, leaving an already particularly vulnerable group even more susceptible to AIDS.

And the western world is also responsible for this epidemic. Brazil has earned the ire of western pharmaceutical companies because it is making generic versions of retroviral drugs. Instead of making drugs wildly available, corporations are more concerned about their bottom dollar. Corporations need to earn income, so this is why they do this. But the US and European governments could easily insure with guarantees to subsidize in a more widespread manner the administration of drugs. How is the pope more responsible in this case than inept western governments and greedy pharmaceutical corporations.

you are choosing to ignore the fact the pope deliberately helped cover up the abuse of many thousands of children worldwide, thus participating in a global paedophilic conspiracy, in this country the pope should have been prosecuted for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice because thats what he has done, he deliberately helped cover up hundreds upon hundreds of criminal acts. to put this in context its estimated that 2% of the population of eire were abused by priests as children. 2% of a single country! did he call the police? no, instead he set up secret slushfunds to try and bribe people. when jesus said "suffer the children" he didnt mean it quite so literally.

No arguments here. Although, I blame the individual criminals more so than the pope.

im supportive of peoples opinions unless of course it involves things like having your schools teach catholics that condoms spread aids which is wrong and teaching girls that if your husband has aids you should have unsafe sex with him and die in grace, and if you get pregnant and your kids get infected too again thats ok.

Again, no argument here. But, as the majority of Ugandans are not even Catholic, I still fail to see how the baby you show should be cursing the pope for her ailments.

I agree with Goth 100%

I know he was a spiritual leader but I'm not going to shed crocodile tears over him. his stances over Homosexuality and contraception (=AIDS prevention) belong in the Middle Ages and I think it is morally indefensible for him to have sat in wealth and opulence at the head of a money-making organisation whilst millions of Catholics around the world live in poverty and disease. This isn't necessarily anything personal against him, but more a comment about the Catholic Church as a wider organisation.

I find the organisation morally corrupt and hypocritical (e.g. cover-ups of the rampant paedophilia within its ranks). I'm sorry if that offends Catholic Forumers, but I'm not going to lie about how I regard the organisation.

The Church needs to modernise and moderate or it will become even more irrelevant.

At least the UK skybar is free of lunatics who go nuts because of spot on comments like gothicform's.

Yeah, he was responsible for thousands of women being terrified of using condoms in Africa and consequently getting Aids.

I remember when he had that much publizised meeting with the family of a 12yr old girl repeatedly raped and made pregnant and they were appealing for her to have an abortion. He totally demonised her, she later killed herself stating that she felt she had no way out and he made her feel more evil for wanting the abortion so she may as well kill herself.

I've merged the two threads... It was too confusing!

A poor sick old man has died. Unfortunate. But I am indifferent.

Why is the world crying? He was 84 for god's sake! Oh right, he was a 'spiritual leader', how? How will his passing directly affect anyones life?
I think it's awful the way that a pope is seen as holy, and is carried along red carpets and on thrones above people's heads. Is he better than the rest of humanity? How is he special? He's was no different to anyone else on this planet.
I think the catholic church is one of the worst of all religious groups, no offence to anyone, but come on. Ok, he did some good stuff, he helped Poland become a democracy, but the damage he and his office have caused in Africa far outweighs that, and the damage their will continue for generations and take millions of lives.

I was listening to a radio show last night and this was the only subject people were phoning in about. Did you know that this pope, Jean Paul II, condemed to hell anyone who spole out about the abuse of children by catholic priests? Even the victims themselves? CONDEMED THEM TO HELL!!!!

hes wrong and has been responsible for the deaths of millions, possibly tens of millions of people


no, because in the vision of the catholic church, you don't have sex before marriage and afterwards only with the same partner, so you will only have sex with someone that is also a virgin. So in this religious ideal AIDS is something that doesn't exist. Of course you can blaim the catholic church for ignoring the reality that is completely different and their stubborness in preaching something that is considered impossible by billions of people. But in theory what they propose is not leading to the death of millions. So the responsibility lies with the people themselfs. Not that this is a helpfull insight if you live now in a country where maybe 1/3 people have Aids. But there is a difference between this and calling the pope a mass-murderer, the final responsability still lies with the people. By the way if you don't listen to the curch when it comes to following their virgin-ideal, why would you suddenly listen to them when they are saying something about condoms. If you are already a so-called "sinner" that is having "sinfull" sex ,what does it matter that you do it with a "sinfull" condom. I think it is time that people stop blaiming others for what essentialy is their own responsability.

no, because in the vision of the catholic church, you don't have sex before marriage and afterwards only with the same partner, so you will only have sex with someone that is also a virgin. So in this religious ideal AIDS is something that doesn't exist. Of course you can blaim the catholic church for ignoring the reality that is completely different and their stubborness in preaching something that is considered impossible by billions of people. But in theory what they propose is not leading to the death of millions. So the responsibility lies with the people themselfs. Not that this is a helpfull insight if you live now in a country where maybe 1/3 people have Aids. But there is a difference between this and calling the pope a mass-murderer, the final responsability still lies with the people. By the way if you don't listen to the curch when it comes to following their virgin-ideal, why would you suddenly listen to them when they are saying something about condoms. If you are already a so-called "sinner" that is having "sinfull" sex ,what does it matter that you do it with a "sinfull" condom. I think it is time that people stop blaiming others for what essentialy is their own responsability.

Yes thats true... I wouldn't call the Pope a Mass Murderer, but his comments have influenced people to not use condoms and catch HIV whereas another message could have had the opposite effect. If you can't say anything useful, don't say anything at all.

You have highlighted an interesting issue though; as you say people partaking in adulterous / pre-marital sex have already ignored the Pope, so why would they then at the same time listen to him and decide not to wear a condom?

I hate the Catholic churches approach on condoms.

However, I think some African Catholics have used this as the excuse and not the reason behind not wearing them. They often just don't want to. Proof of this is seen with the number of African anglicans that choose not to wear condoms.

Although I do think the Catholic church has made a bad situation worse and given legitamcy to those that don't wear them.

Yes that’s true... I wouldn't call the Pope a Mass Murderer, but his comments have influenced people to not use condoms and catch HIV whereas another message could have had the opposite effect. If you can't say anything useful, don't say anything at all.

You have highlighted an interesting issue though; as you say people partaking in adulterous / pre-marital sex have already ignored the Pope, so why would they then at the same time listen to him and decide not to wear a condom?


Why does anybody confess to priest more than once? If they are church attendees then they shouldn’t sin, right? People are fallible thats why the Catholic Church has confession.

The vast majority of Italians have had some sex outside marriage in their lifetimes but he’s still their most respected, revered and listened to figure.

That's why I dislike their tone on homophobia too. if their message is that any sex that is not for the purpose of having a child with your married partner is a sin -then their view that homosexuality is a sin is inevitable. The problem I have with their approach is that they know we live in a world where sex before marriage is widespread and accepted but in which homosexuals have suffered vicious hate form some heterosexuals most of whom have had sex outside marriage. Christianity is against hatred and accordingly the Catholic Church should preach a strong and prominent anti-homophobia message even if they are not willing to do a pro-homosexuality one. The impression I have it's that they have (albeit no in purpose) fuelled that hatred rather than tempered it.

I posted this before - it’s a quote from (the admittedly Anglican) Archbishop Desmund Tutu that its not hat difficult to have a pragmatic approach

“The church has what you might call a captive audience. It has very considerable prestige in most parts of Africa and has access to possibly the largest constituency of any other organisation. People take very seriously what the church says, on the whole.
A lot of HIV prevention work seeks to reinforce what the church is teaching already, such as talking about faithfulness, abstinence, being careful.
But you have to be aware that we live in the real world and therefore we have to take account of the fact that many people will find it difficult to live up to the high standards set before them [by the church].
So, as a matter of responsibility to the community, you say: 'If you can't do the best, then how do you deal with the likely consequences of not living up to the best?'
We therefore have to say that people need to be taught that safer sex, with condoms, is for their own sakes. Unprotected sex kills.”

I wouldn’t underestimate the work the Pope has done in reaching out to other religions and denominations though. One thing I strongly dislike is religious people belaying they are superior to people with other beliefs. May wars have been though over different religions and being tolerant of and even embracing others is significant and should be respected IMHO. You only have to look at the sectarianism in N Ireland to see its relevance to the modern world.

poor pope

you know, im glad the pope died because maybe the catholic church can change, the pope was a mass murderer, but one in the way that george bush is, they sit in gilded offices and make decisions they know will kill people because they believe its for the best. hitler did that too - he never personally killed anyone. the church isnt just preaching abstinence, it actively teaches in its many schools in africa that condoms spread aids and that the aids epidemic is the result of safe sex, this doctrine comes directly from the pope.

also i see that a british general election is being delayed because of the pope having died. thats nice and i wonder how many votes tony blair will lose for that, given in a recent poll 86% of britons said they had no religious beliefs whatsoever im left wondering why blair would do such a thing - there are more beatles fans than catholics in this country, given that 4.5 million households own a copy of sgt pepper the beatles probably are bigger than god. lol.

as for the pope causing the collapse in the soviet union he did that how exactly? you might remembe the solidarity dock strikes of the early 80s were crushed and hundreds killed, the collapse of the eastern block was due to gorbachev and tens of millions taking to the streets. the pope did no more than any other leader - namely pose and make a few speeches.

you know, im glad the pope died because maybe the catholic church can change, the pope was a mass murderer, but one in the way that george bush is, they sit in gilded offices and make decisions they know will kill people because they believe its for the best. hitler did that too - he never personally killed anyone. the church isnt just preaching abstinence, it actively teaches in its many schools in africa that condoms spread aids and that the aids epidemic is the result of safe sex, this doctrine comes directly from the pope.

also i see that a british general election is being delayed because of the pope having died. thats nice and i wonder how many votes tony blair will lose for that, given in a recent poll 86% of britons said they had no religious beliefs whatsoever im left wondering why blair would do such a thing - there are more beatles fans than catholics in this country, given that 4.5 million households own a copy of sgt pepper the beatles probably are bigger than god. lol.

as for the pope causing the collapse in the soviet union he did that how exactly? you might remembe the solidarity dock strikes of the early 80s were crushed and hundreds killed, the collapse of the eastern block was due to gorbachev and tens of millions taking to the streets. the pope did no more than any other leader - namely pose and make a few speeches.

I wasn't quite sure, but let me guess you are not a fan of the Pope's gothicform ;)

I won't go into his anti communist work, because I have listed it in earlier posts.

Don't worry re the election, it will still happen on May 5th. Tony Blair has just delayed going to the Queen and asking her to disolve parliament. From memory The Queen must give 17 or 18 parliamentry working days notice from Paliaments disolution and a general election happening.

So the election will be called a week tomorrow Monday 11th April and will be on May 5th.

also i see that a british general election is being delayed because of the pope having died.

Just noticed that too

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4406453.stm

Seems a bit ridiculous considering the majority of the UK aren't catholic and aren't affected by the Popes death.

It's actually very astute, all of the UK's media are in Rome doing their News specials. Tony Blair wants the media to be concentrating on him when an election is announced, not being distracted with events in Rome, he will also get the Royal wedding out of the way, so from Monday 11th onwards, he will have the press coverage concentrated on the election.

in Italy today we have regional elections too. no one has done mayhem.

I guess we are going to just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

It's strange how the Pope wasn't directly responsible for helping the AIDS pandemic yet is somehow revered as the man who brought down communism in Eastern Europe. Had the Pope visited Poland in the 80s or not, the Iron Curtain would have soon fell anyway.

Well, at least it was he in 1992 who finally accepted that Galileo was right about his scientific observations (mountains and craters on the moon, Jupiter's own moons, the phases of Venus) some 350 years after his death. Yes, over 350 years after the Vatican first demonised Galileo as a heretic, they finally admitted they were wrong. By then of course, the rest of the world had seen man in space and on the moon, and the Hubble Space Telescope was sending back pictures from distant galaxies. :|

didn't Gorbachev later write in his memoirs that the fall of the iron curtain was, in part, because of Pope John Paul?

Did he? I don't see how though.

he said the pope was an influence. i believe he also name checked the likes of michael jackson.

Throw Lemahl from Kajagoogoo in there as well. :lol:

R.i.P.

yes, indeed, limahl is no longer with us. god bless him!

God Bless
http://www.limahl.co.uk/pics/pinups/deu_frame.jpg

:rofl:

I heard some fruit cake on the radio this morning saying how shocked they were that the pope had died. He'd obviously not been listening to the news for the last month or so.

I think the catholic faith is responsible for what it enforces as opposed to JPII. Let's face it, if it was't him, we'd be roasting Pope X for deaths due to AIDS etc. He's hardly likely to change what catholicism stands for as that ventures into the realms of politics. I was born catholic and the fact I don't really follow 'my religion' allows me to say that there is an element of brain wash in any religion. If JPII wasn't brain washed by the faith then he would have probably listened to points like Goths etc..

and CAW - no offense taken. At all.

What proportion of people in Britain are Catholic?

If it ain't most of us, why are we incessantly hearing about this? The bloke was old, he's been ill for ages, and he's snuffed it. Personally, I think he'll get a bit of a shock when he don't end up at the pearly gates. But where's the shock? He was bound to die soon, and he has. Enough.

Hello Blunther,

nice to see you back, how was the big walk?

Cheers Zim, it was a good crack. Tougher than I had expected. Unsteady path in many parts, and hilly for a fat little smoky podge like myself. Great walk though. Stunning place, Sctoland. An no rain either, remarkably!

any midgies?! Did you carry too much stuff?

there are a grand total of 2.044 million catholics in the uk of which about 30% live in northern ireland and a massive chunk of the rest are immigrants and foriegn workers from catholic countries, for example approximately 50,000 brazillians living in london. the number of people who british on census form and consider themselves catholic is under 1 million.

as for the number of active aetheists -
"Those of no religion are the 2nd largest belief group, about 3 times as many as all the other (non-Christian)religions altogether. 7,274,290 people said they had “no religion”.
Jedi Knights had 390,127 followers, and formed a larger group than several of the “major religions”: Jews (259, 927); Sikhs (329, 358);Buddhists (144,453); or minor religions such as Jainism (15,132), Zoroastrianism (3,738) or the Baha’i faith (4,645)."

lets face it, catholicism is a stupid religion anyway and based around cannibalism. no really. catholics eat the communion wafer and believe it turns to the flesh of jesus as they do so, they then drink the wine and believe it turns into his blood. this is totally ridiculous, infact it was this that was one of the main causes of protestantism - people didnt believe it 500 years ago. another ridiculous thing is the position of the virgin mary in catholic doctrine. the bible is very specific youre not supposed to have any idols in church except those of jesus and god, NONE, and yet catholics have blessings and everything specifically for the virgin mary - the woman who fucked a roman soldier and then said it was a 'virgin birth'. she managed to then have 8 children with joseph, and yet catholic doctrine says shes a virgin despite admitting she did have other children!

Pots: I did carry too much stuff, but I admit I woosed out and used one of those baggage carrying things. Glad I did, or I wouldn't have been able to enjoy it.

2% of the population is affected by this news then. So when will they shut up about it?

a lot of people at the bbc feel the same i know.

lets face it, catholicism is a stupid religion anyway and based around cannibalism. no really. catholics eat the communion wafer and believe it turns to the flesh of jesus as they do so, they then drink the wine and believe it turns into his blood. this is totally ridiculous, infact it was this that was one of the main causes of protestantism - people didnt believe it 500 years ago. another ridiculous thing is the position of the virgin mary in catholic doctrine. the bible is very specific youre not supposed to have any idols in church except those of jesus and god, NONE, and yet catholics have blessings and everything specifically for the virgin mary - the woman who fucked a roman soldier and then said it was a 'virgin birth'. she managed to then have 8 children with joseph, and yet catholic doctrine says shes a virgin despite admitting she did have other children!

lol :)

Also the way the media plays on these events, it just turns you off. They try to install emotions in people... the use of the word 'shock' I have seen this in countless headlines and news pieces. This is an absurd stance to take seeing as the same media has dissected every minute of his illness and slow inevitable decline for months now... how can his death be a shock?!

Now they talk of giving him the title of John the Great! Why? Because he was lucky to live in a world of a global hype based media I presume? I think it is fair for people to be interested in this moment for historic reasons (for example if the Queen died) and for the followers of the catholic religion to grieve but there has to be some context made. For example the organisation that this man was the head of, its` role in the modern age and how such a secretive organisation based on dogma, with substantial evidence to disregard most of it founding beliefs can hold so much power.

"thou shalt not worship false idols" is what the bible says word for word. people started translating the bible from latin into their own languages in the 16th century, something the catholic church beileved was heretical until the 1960s (presumably because jesus spoke aramiac), and they read it for themselves. how are all these saints statues people pray at compatible with what the bible clearly says they wondered so they smashed up the shrines.

as for the title of 'great' or whatever, these titles are conferred over time and through history. they are earned by reputation. interesting to see who wants to confer this title on him, proof he isnt great. when its extreme conservatives, or opus dei that says all you need to know about who really followed that pope.

Thomas Hobbes on the Vatican:
"The Papacy is not other than the Ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon the grave thereof."

John Paul Mark II seemed like a nice enough fella - I have my suspicions that his cardinals were behind the more crazed pronouncements (i.e. 'condoms don't prevent AIDS') in these latter years. BUT the Catholic Church's attempts to ignore AIDS and stick to their guns on condoms have been disgusting, and furthermore utterly genocidal for developing world populations...

He was obviously a nice bloke, but the BBC in particular have gone way overboard in their coverage. Such reverence would be understandable in Catholic states, not a Protestant one.

Anyone seen the papers this morning. Practically the whole of the Daily Mirror is about his death and it's a commemorative edition.

shudder

people started translating the bible from latin into their own languages in the 16th century, something the catholic church beileved was heretical until the 1960s

And just remind me for a second who it was that killed Jesus...

:laugh:

technically no one.

Catholics shouldn't find the Pope's death sad because they believe he has gone straight to heaven.

Non-catholics shouldn't really find it particulary sad because the Pope did not represent them.

Agreed?

Catholics shouldn't find the Pope's death sad because they believe he has gone straight to heaven.

Non-catholics shouldn't really find it particulary sad because the Pope did not represent them.

Agreed?

I agree that if you're a non-catholic you wouldn't find it sad, but say you thought someone in your family was going to go to heaven and they died you would still be sad. However the media has gone a bit over the top with this.

But if he's gone to heaven, why all the grief?

(I agree, the media piss me off big time)

I know what you're saying but I can understand why people are sad if someone who represents their faith dies.

Is Benedict still alive?

Fucking hell Kampy how did you manage to dig this one up?

In answer to your question: Unfortunately yes

there are a grand total of 2.044 million catholics in the uk of which about 30% live in northern ireland and a massive chunk of the rest are immigrants and foriegn workers from catholic countries, for example approximately 50,000 brazillians living in london. the number of people who british on census form and consider themselves catholic is under 1 million.

as for the number of active aetheists -
"Those of no religion are the 2nd largest belief group, about 3 times as many as all the other (non-Christian)religions altogether. 7,274,290 people said they had “no religion”.
Jedi Knights had 390,127 followers, and formed a larger group than several of the “major religions”: Jews (259, 927); Sikhs (329, 358);Buddhists (144,453); or minor religions such as Jainism (15,132), Zoroastrianism (3,738) or the Baha’i faith (4,645)."

lets face it, catholicism is a stupid religion anyway and based around cannibalism. no really. catholics eat the communion wafer and believe it turns to the flesh of jesus as they do so, they then drink the wine and believe it turns into his blood. this is totally ridiculous, infact it was this that was one of the main causes of protestantism - people didnt believe it 500 years ago. another ridiculous thing is the position of the virgin mary in catholic doctrine. the bible is very specific youre not supposed to have any idols in church except those of jesus and god, NONE, and yet catholics have blessings and everything specifically for the virgin mary - the woman who fucked a roman soldier and then said it was a 'virgin birth'. she managed to then have 8 children with joseph, and yet catholic doctrine says shes a virgin despite admitting she did have other children!

leave it to Gothic. :sleepy:

Because having a Queen be the head of a religion makes that much more sense.

:crazy:

lets face it, catholicism is a stupid religion anyway and based around cannibalism. no really. catholics eat the communion wafer and believe it turns to the flesh of jesus as they do so, they then drink the wine and believe it turns into his blood. this is totally ridiculous, infact it was this that was one of the main causes of protestantism - people didnt believe it 500 years ago. another ridiculous thing is the position of the virgin mary in catholic doctrine. the bible is very specific youre not supposed to have any idols in church except those of jesus and god, NONE, and yet catholics have blessings and everything specifically for the virgin mary - the woman who fucked a roman soldier and then said it was a 'virgin birth'. she managed to then have 8 children with joseph, and yet catholic doctrine says shes a virgin despite admitting she did have other children!

:puke:

ritualistic consumption of one's deity is common in some African religions :drool:

lets face it, catholicism is a stupid religion anyway and based around cannibalism. no really. catholics eat the communion wafer and believe it turns to the flesh of jesus as they do so, they then drink the wine and believe it turns into his blood. this is totally ridiculous, infact it was this that was one of the main causes of protestantism - people didnt believe it 500 years ago. another ridiculous thing is the position of the virgin mary in catholic doctrine. the bible is very specific youre not supposed to have any idols in church except those of jesus and god, NONE, and yet catholics have blessings and everything specifically for the virgin mary - the woman who fucked a roman soldier and then said it was a 'virgin birth'. she managed to then have 8 children with joseph, and yet catholic doctrine says shes a virgin despite admitting she did have other children!

How ignorant and intolerant! Very unliberal of you.

Are mods now insulting the religion of forum members?

Im sorry, but this is sick and offensive. Especially coming from a mod.

Are mods now insulting the religion of forum members?

Im sorry, but this is sick and offensive. Especially coming from a mod.


:rofl:

lets face it, catholicism is a stupid religion anyway and based around cannibalism. no really. catholics eat the communion wafer and believe it turns to the flesh of jesus as they do so, they then drink the wine and believe it turns into his blood. this is totally ridiculous, infact it was this that was one of the main causes of protestantism - people didnt believe it 500 years ago. another ridiculous thing is the position of the virgin mary in catholic doctrine. the bible is very specific youre not supposed to have any idols in church except those of jesus and god, NONE, and yet catholics have blessings and everything specifically for the virgin mary - the woman who fucked a roman soldier and then said it was a 'virgin birth'. she managed to then have 8 children with joseph, and yet catholic doctrine says shes a virgin despite admitting she did have other children!

what idoit educated you or did you grow up having a sad lonely life cut of from the real world. :weird: im not religious and im not even sure if i believe in a supernatural entity such as gods or a god... but i would never bash ones faith, as each have a right to believe.

like you was there 2,000 years ago to type such accusations! For your sake i hope there is no gods or a god, you'll have some answering.

:rant:

Are mods now insulting the religion of forum members?

Im sorry, but this is sick and offensive. Especially coming from a mod.

And what are you doing all day long (besides insulting people)?

what idoit educated you or did you grow up having a sad lonely life cut of from the real world. :weird: im not religious and im not even sure if i believe in a supernatural entity such as gods or a god... but i would never bash ones faith, as each have a right to believe.

like you was there 2,000 years ago to type such accusations! For your sake i hope there is no gods or a god, you'll have some answering.

:rant:


Yeah, Mary must of been soooo grateful that her bastard child from a Roman soldier did grow up to be a revolutionary that threathened the Roman Empire and Jewish faith or she would've been stoned to death for adultery.

I'm glad it worked out for her :sleepy: