All right, you guys have probably all heard about the "Blue State" (Democrat/John Kerry)--"Red State" (Republican/George W. Bush) talk in the US. I was wondering if Canada could have voted in the 2004 US elections, what Canadian Provinces do you think would have voted for the Democrats (Blue State) and which would have voted for the Republicans (Red State)? You can tell me what you think the results would have been for all the Provinces, but I'd really like to hear from people in each Province tell me why their Province would have gone one way or another.

to tell you the truth, even in Canada's most conservative province, Alberta, each Canadian province and territory would most likely vote for the Democrats.

My thinking is that GW Bush is just really unliked in Canada due to all the trade issues and Gulf War II. Otherwise it would not be impossible for some provinces to go with a republican.

I think every one of them would vote Democrat...there are just less Canadians who would have a reason to vote Republican.

I have no idea how the rest of the country would have voted if it were given the opportunity but I would have probably voted Republican. Not because I think there's anything particularly great about them but just because in the last election, Kerry didn't really say much different that Bush anyway. Just a case of the "Devil you know...."

Likely Ontario's bible belt & rural communities would support Republicans. Same for rural Reform West.

All the cities would likely go Democrat, even Calgary.

Personally, I detest the two-party system. But Nader's no good either.

If the provincial boundaries were reconfigured, Bush will sure be able to win a couple of provinces.

I would vote Republican... if it wasn't for Bush. He comes off as a fool, they need a new leader!

Canada would be all blue, there might be max one or two counties of < 1000 in Alberta or rural B.C. that would be red. If you go by Canada's election "riding" districts, Kerry would sweep the whole country. Calgary, Kamloops, Penticton, Kelowna, Lethbridge, Red Deer, Medicine Hat would all go to Kerry by a sizeable majority. Bush is just too right-wing for Canada. I voted for Harper, but I'd never vote for Bush the extremist.

And many people in the urban areas would abstain because they think John Kerry is too right wing.

I would vote Republican... if it wasn't for Bush. He comes off as a fool, they need a new leader!


Does it matter who the leader is? The agendas remain the same.

A poll like this was actually done during the elections. Every Canadian province would have voted Democrat.

Conservativism is different in Canada and the US. In Canada, Alberta is the most conservative province, but while economically, it might be similar to the Republicans, it differs greatly socially. More reason why Canada and the US should merge!

Well if we were all living in the US and actually realized and understood the threats that we face in this world today and were not corupted by the canadian liberal media I am sure that we would vote more for George Bush than we think. Canadians think that George Bush is a moron and retard because here in Canada the masses hate him because it is popular to hate him. Popularism in canada is well, a popular trait of the average Canadian. If Canadians would sit down for a few reasons, think about what George Bush is doing in Iraq and what he is doing around the world and in the US, people would realize that he isn't as bad as we think he is. I hope that one day hating the US won't be a national past time because right now we are building a fence on our border with them; except, they are the ones building is, our anti american attitudes are the reason for its construction and if we are lucky, they will build a neighbour freindly fence but more likely they will give us the crappy side and paint it pink to boot. I am a supporter of the Republicans, sure they have some problems, but in the interests of Canada, as a canadian, GB is 10x better for Canada than John Kerry ever could be.

/\ "Popularism"?? Congrats, you've invented a new word.

Don't you have a math test tomorrow? Grade 8 is a bitch, good luck there.

I feel for you weezerfan.... thanks for the good laugh anyway!!

Canada and the US should merge!
I'd kill myself.

Yes, I would agree that every province of Canada would have gone to the democrats. The mose conservative province in Canada is Alberta and in the US it would probably be considered a leftist province such as Mass.

Well if we were all living in the US and actually realized and understood the threats that we face in this world today and were not corupted by the canadian liberal media I am sure that we would vote more for George Bush than we think.

Is the world really that much safer after the Iraq Invasion?

Seems to me that most of these terrorists are coming from Saudi Arabia & Iran instead.

The USA's Democrates are a bit further right wing then our Conservitive Party. The main reason George Bush is so unpopular in Canada is because he is bad for Canada. Increased security caused by fear mongering and the USA's illegal violation of the free trade agreement on soft wood lumber has hampered trade.

I dont think under any circumstances would a province go to the rebublicans at least not under George Bush.

Well for one, I meant populism, I appologize for the spelling error, I am in the middle of cramming for final exams right now. I admit my writing isn't the greatest; maybe that is why I am in engineering. Well I am glad that I got a laugh or two but this thought that canadians are "morally superior" to americans is just bullshit. We should thank them for taking risks and standing up to the threats in this world.

And I really think that it is sad how most of you would put more faith in a 3rd world countries bomb making abilities than the worlds most technologically advance and democratic countries ability to defend itself. And realize that Canada is nothing without the United States. Do you think we would have near as much influence in this world if we weren't their neighbour?

No, we are not necessarily any safer after this invasion of Iraq, but change takes time, having a strong democracy in the middle east will pressure change in other states. If other countries wanted to help we could possible speed up the process, but we would rather sit on our ass and let these regimes kill there own people.

I know that many if not most of you dissagree with me and that is fine, I just want you to think before you insult me.

We should thank them for taking risks and standing up to the threats in this world.

Thank you for wars that aren't even in Canada's interests, America! :weirdo:


And I really think that it is sad how most of you would put more faith in a 3rd world countries bomb making abilities than the worlds most technologically advance and democratic countries ability to defend itself.

If anyone knows what this means, put your hand up.


And realize that Canada is nothing without the United States. Do you think we would have near as much influence in this world if we weren't their neighbour?

Because of its neighbour, Canada is forced to play up the game of multilateralism even more so than usual.


No, we are not necessarily any safer after this invasion of Iraq, but change takes time, having a strong democracy in the middle east will pressure change in other states. If other countries wanted to help we could possible speed up the process, but we would rather sit on our ass and let these regimes kill there own people.

Are you JOKING?! You do realize that stability and unrest in Iraq have NEVER been as high as they are now? Is Baghdad safer now than it was before? Afghanistan too has become so democratic that people are afraid to walk outside :hilarious

They'll help Iraq like they helped Vietnam (3+ million dead), Chile (still recoiling in aftershocks of US 'help'), Nicaragua (ditto), etc. etc. The fact that all of this 'involvement' is supremely illegal by international law is also something to consider.


I know that many if not most of you dissagree with me and that is fine, I just want you to think before you insult me.

Perhaps having such an incredibly naive outlook on politics is why it is easy to insult you.

I would have voted Republican even though I'm not a huge fan of Bush, he is a hell of alot more competent then Kerry. Bush did bring Democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan though. I think most Canadian's biggest fears right now would be some how admitting that Bush did do somthing right.

The fact that all of this 'involvement' is supremely illegal by international law is also something to consider.

That is so true. The US coalition went in with the WMD argument, & in the end it fell through when concrete enough evidence to support it were not found(then there was the Blair apology, etc, etc.) Though we all know that Iraq isn't coming completely clean on this matter, the fact is that the WMD were not found, and therefore this accusation wouldn't hold weight in an impartial Court of Law.

This alone sets a dangerous precendent, & would allow other military powers to use the same excuse to ignore International law. We would lose credibility to prosecute other non-abiding nations.

Of course, with US contempt for International Law & the International Court of Criminal Justice, I doubt this would ever matter anyways.

I think most Canadian's biggest fears right now would be some how admitting that Bush did do somthing right.

Actually, a large part of the non-Western world does not know of/remember Canada's refusal to join the war in Iraq. Since we are almost always seen as America JR (they somehow believe that our foreign policy coincides with America's wishes), whatever new animosity directed at the states for Bush's policies would also be directed at Canada. That's my biggest fear.

Since we are almost always seen as America JR (they somehow believe that our foreign policy coincides with America's wishes), whatever new animosity directed at the states for Bush's policies would also be directed at Canada. That's my biggest fear.

Well we are already on Al-Qaeda's hit list. It's not a question of if, but when.

"As al-Qaeda directly threatened Canadians at least twice in the last two years, the last time only a month ago, it is therefore safe to assume that it's no longer a question of if, but where and when we'll be specifically targeted."

Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS) director Ward Elcock speaking to the House of Commons national security sub commitee in 2004.

Let's just hope we the United States support when our time comes.

I would have voted Republican even though I'm not a huge fan of Bush, he is a hell of alot more competent then Kerry. Bush did bring Democracy to Iraq and Afghanistan though. I think most Canadian's biggest fears right now would be some how admitting that Bush did do somthing right.

Maybe if bush really was successful in bringing democracy to the two aforementioned countries then Canadians would like him. Instead neither are pacticularily better off then before, escpecially Iraq.

Let's just hope we the United States support when our time comes.

Or invade us, lol.

Though there are some rough spots in the Canada-US relationship (esp. with the Bush administration), we do support the US most of the time (possibly even more than 90% of the time) and if the US can't get past this little squabble about Canada's refusal to enter the Iraq War, then maybe its time for Canada to diversify its foreign affairs portfolio and rely less on US support.

Personally, I feel that Canada has already sacrificed a lot of its own soverignty to satisfy the US. We deserve some breathing space, even if we're one of its closest allies.

I agree to a certain extent that Kerry wouldn't be good for US-Canada relations either. He's too hawkish & protectionist for my taste. In the end, I blame the poor selection of Presidental Candidates to choose from for this mess.

Maybe if bush really was successful in bringing democracy to the two aforementioned countries then Canadians would like him. Instead neither are pacticularily better off then before, escpecially Iraq.

These two countries just had elections with fairly high voter turn out rates. Neither of these countries had experienced elections in recent times, in Afghanistans case the last elections were 5,000 years ago. Iraq was ruled by a brutal dictator who tortured and killed his own people. What makes you believe that democracy was not brought to these countries? As for the countries being better off beforehand then that may not be so clear cut. Obviously Iraq has been going through some turmoil in recent times, but at least steps are being taken to correct the killing of innocent Kurds and Sh'ites by their leader who gave them little freedom under his reign. Bush and the Allies were succesful in riding Afgahnistan of the ruthless Taliban regime and has destroyed Al Qaeda's infrastructure and operational ability within Afghanistan. I'd say any country that is no longer ruled by the Taliban is a hell of alot better off then before.

^ With so many uncertainties, I don't think we can pass judgement on the Iraq situation yet (for or against). Of course, I hope it doesn't turn into a Vietnam or Iran, but with the endless infighting, I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

In the end, it really depends on what the Iraqis themselves want.

^ With so many uncertainties, I don't think we can pass judgement on the Iraq situation yet (for or against). Of course, I hope it doesn't turn into a Vietnam or Iran, but with the endless infighting, I wouldn't rule out the possibility.

In the end, it really depends on what the Iraqis themselves want.

I agree. It really could go either way. Peaceful and a prosperous Iraq or another Vietnam type situation. At the time I didn't support the war and never once bought the WMD bullshit either. Hopefully all the groups can work amongst themselves and sort this problem out.

Peaceful and a prosperous Iraq or another Vietnam type situation. At the time I didn't support the war and never once bought the WMD bullshit either.

I think most Canadian's biggest fears right now would be some how admitting that Bush did do somthing right.

I think what most Canadians are pissed about is how Bush lied and used the WMD argument to start the war. Of course, Bush is a neo-con, & that also plays offense to many Canadians, but in the end, I personally think that it's the "unreasonable" war & his unjustified claims that created this mass dissaproval of his administration's policies. I doubt a majority of Canadians actually feel that "Bush actually did something right" in regards to this issue.

Not all neo-cons are hated as much as Bush. Regean's Canadian approval rating was never this low.

I would think that most Canadians would in fact vote democrat. But then again, if we had a say it would be because we were Americans to begin with. If that were in fact the case, I wouldn't be surprised to see the country split here as much as the US. I have already said that I would have voted Republican and I suspect that there are in fact more Canadians who would have agreed with me than some forumers care to admit. But the comment about the US left still being more conservative than the Canadian Right sounds about right.

I couldn't vote for any party. Nader? :dunno:

When Bush's term ends, it will be interesting to see where both Democrat and Republican parties stand on issues and policies. I wonder what the differences will be if any... I've never really been clear on the differences.

I'd imagine if Bush were the Prime Minister of Canada and he'd just done the same thing (Iraq), he'd be ripped to pieces, not just by the opposition. A new party would have been elected by now. :)

^ Wouldn't Bush be the PM of a new party? Probably would do away with the PCs & raise the Reform Party back from the beyond.

Yea, sure. I'd love to see him in action during question period. :D

^ First order of business, Get rid of that evil socialist healthcare system.

Then, devote of all Canada's budget to defense. ;)

Oh crap, that's still not as large as US military spending, ah crikey!

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This is going to sound very negative, but the way I see it, it's all the same in the US. You have the choice between a party that is run by businesses for businesses, or another one. So my answer would be neither. At the end of the day, regardless of if you have a democrat or republican president, it will still be the same businesses calling the shots, and lowering taxes for the rich. Vive la democratie !

As for Quebec, we would vote for separation. :)

This is going to sound very negative, but the way I see it, it's all the same in the US. You have the choice between a party that is run by businesses for businesses, or another one. So my answer would be neither. At the end of the day, regardless of if you have a democrat or republican president, it will still be the same businesses calling the shots, and lowering taxes for the rich. Vive la democratie !

As for Quebec, we would vote for separation. :)
I think you're right more than you realize actually. Personally, I think it doesn't matter who gets elected in what country, they're pretty much all the same too.

I dunno. I'd hesitate to say that Harper, Layton, Duceppe, Stronach and the Right Honourable PMPM are pretty much all the same. The closest 2 out of that list would probably be Paul Martin and Belinda Stronach.

I dunno. I'd hesitate to say that Harper, Layton, Duceppe, Stronach and the Right Honourable PMPM are pretty much all the same. The closest 2 out of that list would probably be Paul Martin and Belinda Stronach.
Oh, your right if you judge the party by the individual personalities of the people in it. I just meant that the parties as bodies are not that easy to distinguish from each other in most countries. We have a decent example of far-sided politics with the NDP but even then, they would never be elected on a national scale with their current platforms. IMO, a party gets in power that is more or less centered with only the slightest of tilts. In that respect, the Liberals and the Conservatives are pretty much interchangeable with the exception of a few policies of dubious consequence. Particularly in practice, we can see on a provincial level that only when on rare occasions a party with a more radical platform is elected they tend to get booted out fairly harshly next chance the voters get.

I would pay as much as I could to see Bush participate in question period.

OMG

We should make a movie!

Wait, viewing Question Period is free, isn't it? It doesn't cost anything to go into the House of Commens and watch them, I don't think? hmm...

I supported Bush near the election because I had my hopes up that he'd resume trade with Canada. Then he f'ed off on that. So, screw him.

Yes, I would agree that every province of Canada would have gone to the democrats. The mose conservative province in Canada is Alberta and in the US it would probably be considered a leftist province such as Mass.

This may sound strange to some people, but I actually believe that Canada's most conservative province is NS. People just don't realize it because our national profile is so much lower than Alberta's. Also, the Halifax area that makes up only a third of the province is far less conservative than the rest, and much of what people hear about NS comes from Halifax.

But I havn't lived in HFX for my entire life, I was raised in a small town and I am very familiar with the Bible belt that is much of non-HFX NS.

The rest of the Maritimes is also quite traditional.

Everyone on this thread has been focusing on the war in Iraq, but I don't think that's Bush's only problem.

1) Let's not forget that 9/11 happened during Bush's administration. The 9/11 Report revealed it to be a massive intelligence screw-up, and I can't fathom how the Bush administration has gotten away without a single scratch from this.

2) Bush has ruined the U.S. economy. And because their economy is so tightly tied to the rest of the world, it inevitably has major consequences.

3) Bush has taken the U.S. further in the direction of a theocratic state than any previous president. He has basically stated that he recieves his instructions from God, claims to be born again (and mentions it frequently), relies on the votes of the Christian right to get him elected, and under his watch the teaching of evolution in schools has been attacked more than ever before. Not to mention that scientists are actually noticing that their research is being censored, and funding for anything controversial (ie. STD research, etc.) is being declined more frequently. Also, his appointment to the Supreme Court of yet another arch-conservative judge could possibly threaten a woman's right to choose, since the Supreme Court is now almost entirely made up of staunch conservatives. Then there is his complete silence on issues like gay rights and the environment. Don't forget, the U.S. is one of the few nations to decline to take part in the Kyoto protocol -- which means we are all going to have to live with the consequences of their ignorance and lack of long-term planning.

4) Oh yeah, and then there's also the war in Iraq. Agree with it or not, it has been terribly managed, to the point where many of Bush's compatriots have actually tried to distance themselves from him, and have publically called it a disaster. Of course, these outcries are usually short-lived because the media doesn't seem to want to cover that kind of stuff. Oh, and why aren't Bush's daughters over there? Or Rove's kids, or Cheney's , or anyone else on the administration or in congress? And does anyone really believe that its not, for the most part, all about oil? I mean come on, oil is the Bush family's obsession.

Edited because I forgot to even mention the Bush administration's complete lack of regard for Canada in issues such as softwood lumber, border security etc. I also forgot to mention Bush's ties to major corporations, which are even more blatant and disturbing than the Democrats (and yes, both parties are unfortunate, but to me its pretty clear that the Dems are the lesser of two evils).