It was held a competition of Western enterance some years ago.
article is here :
http://www.arileht.ee/artikkel/307689

And that day was Merko buildin piles, but today was the lot still empty. So no construction :(

Maybe they were doing prep. works and construction starts in spring?

I checked this project and I can't say that I like it (somehow it reminds me bad amateur 3D mapping for some old computer game)
http://www.arhliit.ee/images/loomaaed_delta_iv.jpg

Here's a bigger render with low quality: http://www.postimees.ee/171205/gfx/2503943a205220c83d.jpg

EDIT: Wow,2K posts in Tallinn development thread :cheers:

guys... http://www.allianss.eu/#/projects/by-time/all/as-a-grid/16/299/

(:

After seeing those close-up renders of new Zoo gate,I can only say: Ewwwwww! :puke:

I noticed this highrise on their website though (Rävala avenue 5 office building extension) Can anyone tell me what's up with that one? (project info on Allianss website didn't load for me :( ) Was it competition entry or selected final design? Is it cancelled or on hold?

http://i52.tinypic.com/v6oxnk.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/ta6m8z.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2m34jeb.jpg

:drool:

i wonder: http://www.nobel.dk/nav.php/projekter/2/636

i wonder: http://www.nobel.dk/nav.php/projekter/2/636

Damn! :( 5-storey building won? In TLL highrise cluster?!

:cry: This highrise would have looked soo sexy there...

i'm not sure whether the highrise is a serious project - it could be some sort of a very preliminary draft project... and i don't know which project - the one by allianss or the one by nobel - is more recent.

no building permit has been granted for the site though.

the zoo gate entrance renders really are bad

Demolition is underway on Narva mnt 29, the site of the new science building of Tallinn University.

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt138.jpg

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt139.jpg

I was looking few days back the tallinn univ. and...whoa.
What will be build there anyway... The Baltic Film and Media School new building should go 30 m different location.

One thing, that also surprised me - was the infosigns. A4 printed window is good idea, but numeration sucks.

about the aforementioned highrise project. last night i happened to be in company with one of the partners of allianss and as far as he remembered (he was not one of the authors) the competition had two 'winners' - allianss and nobel. the competition was for a 5-storey building but since it's in the approved highrise area, the authors proposed this skyscraper as an alternative project to kind of show the developer what COULD be done in that specific location. eventually - as i understood - allianss' proposal was chosen to be carried on with but the whole thing's been frozen since.

Well,atleast this gives some good hope for the future :cheers: Maybe,if all the side effects of economic depression have worn off,this project continues.

I think the Tallinn university project is a bit boring i mean its not bad but it could be so much better.

Also im a new guy here so hi everybody.

Welcome to the SCC Estonian forum! :wave: Fresh meat..err..new forumers are always needed here :D

On topic - C'mon,it's not that bad - it's modern (modern=better than that old Soviet stuff in Tallinn University campus :yes:) and fits together nicely with previous addition. Btw,this made me wonder if in the future all old university buildings will be replaced...

this made me wonder if in the future all old university buildings will be replaced...

probably not. Tallinn University has sold all its realestate besides campus. Up to 6 huge-huge resorts in somewhere nice place in Estonia. Viru building - now Metro Baltic Horizon "green building". So next goes Karu street buildings and Pärnu mnt ols studenthouse :lol: Institute of Culture is long time rented in Old town (Lai st).

I agree that the new building is much better than the soviet ones.And after all it is difficult to say how the building is going to work out before the construction starts.Lets hope for the best.

And btw have you already seen the new world trade centre building that is going to be built?

http://www.wtc.ee/?s=292

http://www.wtc.ee/kontakt/lights.jpg

some pictures of the building

^^ Yep, we have. The project itself is pretty old...

It's probably still on hold or waiting for detail plannning approval (I can't remember if WTC managed to get it or not)

Btw,Riigi Kinnisvara AS (their Riigikontrolli Maja is planned in new WTC quarter) also has WTC related stuff on their website:
http://rkas.ee/photos/joe2.jpg

Lol,looks almost like Hötorgsskraporna in Stockholm.
http://rkas.ee/photos/joe1.jpg

probably not. Tallinn University has sold all its realestate besides campus. Up to 6 huge-huge resorts in somewhere nice place in Estonia. Viru building - now Metro Baltic Horizon "green building". So next goes Karu street buildings and Pärnu mnt ols studenthouse :lol: Institute of Culture is long time rented in Old town (Lai st).

I was actually thinking the campus (they better not be selling that :bash:) Every time I'm anywhere near it,I've got a feeling that it's too small & outdated for a decent university. Atleast new buildings are one step in the right direction.

I think Andres Alver is one of the best architects in EstoniaAnd he is constantly drawing buildings with as much space as possible for people on foot.
And yes i know that the project is old but i think its pretty good nevertheless.

yep, WTC is pretty much excellent. Well, a bit corporate, but still excellent.

I think Andres Alver is one of the best architects in EstoniaAnd he is constantly drawing buildings with as much space as possible for people on foot.
And yes i know that the project is old but i think its pretty good nevertheless.

Yeah, that project does look pretty good, but there sure as hell won't be that many people walking from Narva mnt to the port if Põhjaväil cuts through right behind it...

I also think it's great if they plan to give more room to pedestrians but why such a boring box-like building again? I mean, if you give assignment to a 10 year old to design a building where people could walk underneath it, he would draw the exact same thing. crow legs with a box on top of it...

btw i'm new here, so hello:)

www.skyscraper.ucoz.net

Yeah, that project does look pretty good, but there sure as hell won't be that many people walking from Narva mnt to the port if Põhjaväil cuts through right behind it...

i think it will be used if the areas around admiraliteedi bassein will be filled with buildings with good architecture and frankly i hope that the põhjaväil project fails.I find that there is no more need for it.Tallinns head architect Endrik Mänd also said that the road was planned to help the heavy traffic past the downtown area but by now the downtown area has extended all the way to the sea and the port area so if trying to find a road past downtown we should look ways to make the traffic work in the south rather than north.

Narva mnt 29, 10 minutes ago. Funny, I always thought they were going to keep the Soviet building in some form...
http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv60/c30_album/Pilt140.jpg

So did i the building is about 250 meters from my house so i hope its gonna be good.And if i looked at the project i assumed that they would use the fassad of the left building to construct the new one.

Damn. I wish I would have taken some photos of that Soviet thingy on Narva highway. It was really badass brutalist architecture (possibly the most hardcore building of this style in Tallinn :D)

@ pritz07 - Welcome to the forum! :wave:

http://www.tlu.ee/files/arts/8558/AR-9P29b964c88161bd29c1d627608176747f.pdf

it's rather boring exterior, even for university. would expect some innovation from "science house" but no. but i guess still good that they are doing something:P

http://www.tlu.ee/files/arts/8558/AR-9P29b964c88161bd29c1d627608176747f.pdf

it's rather boring exterior, even for university. would expect some innovation from "science house" but no. but i guess still good that they are doing something:P

I agree,its a bit boring. Especially because if dealing with a university building than the building is what gives you the first effect of the university.And is an important part of the reputation of the university.And in this case its a soulless glass box.I mean yes its better than the one before but still they could have been a bit more thoughtful about the architecture of the building

i find it very irritating that tallinn uni didn't organize a competition for the new building - after all, it's on one of the main streets in central tallinn.

it's weird, given the fact that two of their earlier projects - the first one for the new 'main' building by aet architects (completed in 2006) and more recently the film and media school by salto (soon to be u/c) - are both results of a good quality architectural competition... AND both these buildings aren't even seen from any streets, they're both inside the quarter... and now a random architect whose last 'remarkable' buildings are from 1980's designs the 'representative' face of the university. i don't get it.

oh and btw - welcome to all newcomers! (:

Update on Tartu Highway 50. Looks like they have poured foundations and are currently building basement level (-1 floor)

Few photos from yesterday:
http://i54.tinypic.com/bfs7pe.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/1zlyq1y.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/a3gpix.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/secev9.jpg

The black swan is also rising rather fast. About half of the top floor walls have been finished by now. Unfortunately I don't have any pics. Every time I ride past it, it's dark outside :D

^^
Have they done anything with that nice old villa there? I think that villa is lot more cooler than that new Must Luik.

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Update on Tallinn's Service School extension / Tallinna Teeninduskool on Majaka street (previous update from April is here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=55539287&postcount=1675))
Exterior is almost finished now. Btw only courtyard side with glass facade looks good. Backside of the building facing nearby commieblocks is really ugly (but atleast it fits together with those commies :D)

http://i54.tinypic.com/2lawzdk.jpg

The black swan is also rising rather fast. About half of the top floor walls have been finished by now. Unfortunately I don't have any pics. Every time I ride past it, it's dark outside :D

Damn, I was there just an hour ago. I was thinking of taking some pictures but I figured most here have seen it anyway.

Hey guys i took another closer look into the Tallinn university project and it may not end up bad and boring afterall. It all comes down to the choice of materials.If they choose the right panels and the right tone of glass etc. it might end up quite good.What do you think?

I've got a feeling that they will use the cheapest & ugliest materials available at the time of construction...

Than i guess we have have the same opinion on that but hopefully not.

what worries me is the "tumehall NEOPOND Komposiitplaat" between the windows. I admit I have no idea what it is or how it looks like, but it sounds pretty bad.
(ok actualy i looked it up http://parmet2.cma.ee/index.php?lang=est&main_id=48&id=21&PHPSESSID=225bc7911c4b4c09ca1160e3bf38b201 )

To my eye they are all pretty ugly and boring solutions except maybe curved panels on "Kaubamaja" and some other building and darker panels like on "Selver". All the grey panels look ugly to me.

:(

It's probably still on hold or waiting for detail plannning approval (I can't remember if WTC managed to get it or not)

Apparently they didn't had it. Tomorrow city will discuss WTC quarter detail planning and decides whether to approve it or not.

WTC project in numbers - size 1,83ha (current planning involves 1,61ha), four 11-storey commercial buildings and one 10-storey commercial building are planned in WTC quarter.

Few more renders:
http://www.ata.ee/english/wtc_files/wtc11.jpg

http://www.ata.ee/english/wtc_files/DSCN3107.jpg

http://www.ata.ee/english/wtc_files/wtc-1sisetanav.jpg

that is truly supercool.



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fresh from the oven: some boring action on the site of the navigator office building. deadline: march 2012.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/688/31/17207829f4c33e_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/688/31/172078378d3f9b_o.jpg

I really hope that they will approve the wtc project it is indeed supercool.But i think the navigator could be better it isnt the best for ahtri str and admiraliteedi
bassein.

Not bad. Tbh,I didn't knew that Navigator construction has started.

I guess it won't hurt much,if I post a render of Navigator building here.
http://www.arcorealestate.com/upload/maja_kompass.jpg

Btw,does anyone know when A3 centre construction will start?

I mean that one:
http://www.arcorealestate.com/upload/ahtri_3_vljast2__vaike_copy.jpg

But i think the navigator could be better it isnt the best for ahtri str and admiraliteedi
bassein.

hmm what makes you say that?

i just hope that by the time the navigator will be completed, the other buildings around the basin will also start to rise. and what i rrreally hope is that the 2 buildings right next to navigator by baumschlager & eberle are not cancelled...

sorry to say but ahtri 3 by salto + ulab is cancelled for good... a new competition was held in 2009... here's one of the projects, i don't know whether it's the winner or not http://www.nordprojekt.ee/index.php?page=&action=detail&id=114

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the navigator is not exactly u/c - they're kind of preparing the site... and they're really slow, i must say...

hmm what makes you say that?

i just hope that by the time the navigator will be completed, the other buildings around the basin will also start to rise. and what i rrreally hope is that the 2 buildings right next to navigator by baumschlager & eberle are not cancelled...

Well i may be wrong.But i havent seen any proper drawings of the project.I havent got anything against the building i just dont know what to expect exactly thow i of course support it overall.But i really like the so called A3 project and hope it will be built soon.

sorry to say but ahtri 3 by salto + ulab is cancelled for good... a new competition was held in 2009...
Damn.

here's one of the projects, i don't know whether it's the winner or not http://www.nordprojekt.ee/index.php?page=&action=detail&id=114

Don't like it :mad: Looks like ugly box from ground level + it wastes lot of space.

WHAT??:bash: Why the hell :bash:did they hold a new competition:bash: the las one was much much better damn fools.Even if you look at only one picture of each building you would understand that the first one was better.:ohno:

unfortunately developers see the whole thing from a very different perspective...

unfortunately developers see the whole thing from a very different perspective...

The city shouldn't!

(Yeah, I know, it's pointless to argue, but still...)

unfortunately developers see the whole thing from a very different perspective...

Of course the city shouldnt and by the way who are the developers?

Of course the city shouldnt and by the way who are the developers?

Arco Vara website says this (I don't know if this is up-to-date information or not):


Plot owner is OÜ Arco HCE, owned by Arco Investeeringute AS and Rotermann Eesti OÜ

Yeay! Another Norde Centrum in downtown area...

I thought so.But even on arco varas homepage they still say that the old project is going to be built.Theres even a presentation and floor plans of the building that you can download from there.I have em both.So where does the information come from that the project was scrapped?

On the homepage it only says that they extended the bank loan on the building by 6 months i couldnt find anything about the project being of.

my information comes from the architects. but believe me, i hope arco vara hasn't completely buried the project...

my information comes from the architects. but believe me, i hope arco vara hasn't completely buried the project...

I hope so to i really like the first project and i think it will make a fine addition to Tallinns modern architecture especially with rotermann and navigator at each side.And speaking of Tallinns modern architecture i think it was you who mentioned that the wtc project was being conformed/denyd today.What was the result?(If im not wrong)

Looks like Viimsi (Tallinn metro) turns even more children friendly place,as two new kindergartens are planned at there,each for 120 kids. One them,located in Haabneeme (Lille road 23), is round shaped passive house designed by Veiko Tein from Arhitektuurinurk OÜ. The second kindergarten is still at planning stage,so there isn't much to show here.

Haabneeme kindergarten.
http://static.epl.ee/pildid/2010/article/175474.jpg

Source: http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/588927

I wish there would be more renders of Haabneeme kindergarten,'cos idea behind it's design is similar to ones used for other new kindergartens in Viimsi.

some updates from today. all projects / buildings are more or less in downtown area.


maakri 30. to be demolished and replaced by a 27 storey building. planning information here: http://www.tallinn.ee/est/ametlikud_teated?id=7703

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/1724716595431b_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/1724716323d77f_o.jpg

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juhkentali 15 residential. architect: ain koit. one of those 'could be worse' filler projects.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247169a7188f_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247175d98452_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/172471717a3bf1_o.jpg

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ravi 13 residential. architect: karmo tõra.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247295fe13a3_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247177976936_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247179814e7f_o.jpg

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kaupmehe 12 residential. architect velle kadalipp from jvr.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/1724718939737c_o.jpg

an earlier render.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/1724728351b126_o.jpg

and a more fresh one.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247285eb77db_o.jpg

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the wooden building across the street was recently approved for demolishion.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247181569cd1_o.jpg

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kaupmehe 12 is seen in the background. here, the one on the left is set for demolishion, the one on the right will soon perish too.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247191f7c9c2_o.jpg

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tatari 23/25 residential and office building developed by evangelic lutheran church. architects of the complete bullshit are ehala & irik.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247373bbaf64_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247193235183_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247195359ce3_o.jpg

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luise 13, on the right, was recently approved for demolishion. i really hope something good will replace it.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/172472090c0b3a_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247197256d1c_o.jpg

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koidu 44 residential by alver architects. here's a very simple sketch of the main facade. i'm sure it will look very nice when completed.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247293eb4122_o.jpg

edit: the site as of now. shot from luise street, roopa street apt buildings in the background.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/690/14/172535839db75c_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/690/14/17253587a49a08_o.jpg

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roopa 4 residential. designed by ea reng. planning sucks. the building's no better.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/172472892533f8_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/172472311a1d63_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/172472355431b6_o.jpg

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villardi 9 waiting to be demolished...

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/88/17247237432ffe_o.jpg

will be replaced by this. architect: tormi sooväli.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247291b9bc41_l.jpg

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villardi 11 residential. architect: tiivi torim.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247297070909_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247251811eb4_o.jpg

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koidu 102 residential. architect: tõnu saan (ab san & son). the biggest bullshit ever.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/172474255a1186_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247427807034_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/1724725533f0b4_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/1724725792a10c_o.jpg

this is what stood here before.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/90/17247555afb594_o.jpg

^^
Wow,now there's an UPDATE! :banana: Awesome work!

It's not very positive that Maakri street 30 is done by R-konsult. I don't like their works and I doubt there would be anything good coming to Maakri street.

Roopa 4 looks really bad :puke: Btw,I'm sure that sooner or later someone who's driving out from underground garage,will crash into street traffic thanks to no existing view to the street from garage driveway :D

And speaking of Tallinns modern architecture i think it was you who mentioned that the wtc project was being conformed/denyd today.What was the result?(If im not wrong)

Jarmo K isn't that all powerful :D (I mentioned it). No idea about the outcome. It has been almost one week without any news or city PR statements about WTC project. I guess we'll just have to wait - for example,approval of Art Academy detail planning was officially announced nearly two weeks after city made decision about it :nuts:

Whoa! Thanks for the update, Jarmo. Wonder when/if we're gonna see the Maakri 30 highrise.

how is koidu 102 was approved? i mean come on its the 21st century here
btw i wouldn't mind living at villardi, inside one of those proposed wooden type buildings, they're great, esp. villardi 9

seriously sad about Tatari 23/25.... Oeh. Türa küll.

I really hope those buildings approved to be demolished aren't removed just to create "temporary" parking lots.

Short remark to Jarmo K collection. Koidu 44 picture is pointing to wrong space. The real Koidu 44 is just next to the Luise street and there is a parking business today. I try to make some photos one day.

oih... toomas, you're right. i'll edit the post in the morning and replace the photos (i did take a few shots of the real koidu 44 plot too).

how is koidu 102 was approved? i mean come on its the 21st century here
btw i wouldn't mind living at villardi, inside one of those proposed wooden type buildings, they're great, esp. villardi 9

I live in Koidu 114 so I'm afraid I will have serious puking problems every time I go home from now on :runaway:

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Wow,now there's an UPDATE! :banana: Awesome work!

It's not very positive that Maakri street 30 is done by R-konsult. I don't like their works and I doubt there would be anything good coming to Maakri street.

Roopa 4 looks really bad :puke: Btw,I'm sure that sooner or later someone who's driving out from underground garage,will crash into street traffic thanks to no existing view to the street from garage driveway :D



Jarmo K isn't that all powerful :D (I mentioned it). No idea about the outcome. It has been almost one week without any news or city PR statements about WTC project. I guess we'll just have to wait - for example,approval of Art Academy detail planning was officially announced nearly two weeks after city made decision about it :nuts:

Thanks for the information.I hope that the maakri street building is gonna be more awesome than the usual skyscrapers.

Koidu 102 is not that bad guys! It looks art-deco-ish and subtle. The colour could be better, but it really isn't all that bad.

Koidu 102 is not that bad guys! It looks art-deco-ish and subtle. The colour could be better, but it really isn't all that bad.

Next time in Tallinn, you may take it along with you -.-

Apparently they didn't had it. Tomorrow city will discuss WTC quarter detail planning and decides whether to approve it or not.

WTC project in numbers - size 1,83ha (current planning involves 1,61ha), four 11-storey commercial buildings and one 10-storey commercial building are planned in WTC quarter.

Few more renders:
http://www.ata.ee/english/wtc_files/wtc11.jpg

http://www.ata.ee/english/wtc_files/DSCN3107.jpg

http://www.ata.ee/english/wtc_files/wtc-1sisetanav.jpg

Approved!!! :cheers:

And about WTC project. It was approved partially (that 1,61ha half from total of 1,83ha),but the good news is that all main visual parts - the highrises,the 'standing building' etc got approved. Fingers crossed and let's hope for construction phase to start soon. I'm not sure,but I think they left out that building inside WTC quarter.

^^ I really hope they do something with that "street" since at the moment it's very pedestrian unfriendly: lots of parking, no sidewalks.

This is good news indeed.And i to hope that they will do sth about the street.I hope that the parking there will disappear totally from the street.

most of the new buildings are not cool at all and some of the old wooden houses are mutch more intresting what they destroy :(

most of the new buildings are not cool at all and some of the old wooden houses are mutch more intresting what they destroy :(

Old wooden houses don't really fit in the modern city centre landscape. I also love wooden houses, but the place for those is in the suburbs ;).

Old wooden houses have a value when they create a pleasant atmosphere (Kalamaja, Kadriorg etc.) but if they're just stuck between taller and more modern buildings they don't really appeal to me. Also, let's not forget that a lot of the wooden houses were practically the municipal housing of the past.

Old wooden houses have a value when they create a pleasant atmosphere (Kalamaja, Kadriorg etc.) but if they're just stuck between taller and more modern buildings they don't really appeal to me. Also, let's not forget that a lot of the wooden houses were practically the municipal housing of the past.

nah. Dont think wooden houses between modern ones are bad. But, wooden houses on a narrow street with shitloads of traffic on it - thats bad. Case in point - Narva street in Tartu (on hill).

Those wooden houses - if renovated - look really good, even between new buildings. If a new buildig also uses some wood on it`s facade that is even better.

Tehnika 53. Sounds pretty good. But this is just a render...

http://dialoog.planet.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Tehnika_4.jpg

http://dialoog.planet.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Tehnika_1.jpg

http://dialoog.planet.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Tehnika_3.jpg

http://dialoog.planet.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Tehnika_5.jpg

I've got mixed feelings about this one. Tehnika 53 does look interesting and it might turn out quite good,but there are some things that concern me. Considering that this new buildings is quite large and it's closest neighbours are one 4 or 5-storey jugendstyle (?) residential building,some ugly 90's building and 2-storey small house,then I'm not really sure that it manages to fit into it's surroundings. That sloped roof is not very nice and ruins the overall design a bit,but I guess it won't be very visible from the street.

Also,is that a friggin' parking lot between new house and Tehnika street on those renders? :sly:

If anyone is interested,then here's detail plan of approved World Trade Centre quarter (.pdf file): http://www.tallinnlv.ee/aktalav/Eelnoud/Dokumendid/ddok12984.pdf

good find, toomas. some more info on the project: http://dialoog.planet.ee/portfolio/tehnika-53 (some more weird projects on their homepage)

i agree with you tin can. it's kinda weird. but unfortunately the parking is like that due to the det plan. and i don't know why such things get approved.

but tehnika 55 is actually from 00's - it looks like 90's cause it was designed by rein murula, heh.

Actually there is more complicated situation - detail covers also Tehnika 55a. That means there will be some extension for Tehnika 55 (is actually from 00's). Parking spaces are underground. The sloped roof is for solar panel. As I understand the developer is somehow connected to Arco Grupp.

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http://www.tallinn.ee/est/ametlikud_teated?id=7060

A few not-too-particularly-telling images from the Black Swan centre in Kadriorg.

http://i.imgur.com/VD9Ag.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ObtDs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Zk85U.jpg

Unless Must Luik get's a decent department store,I shall hate it passionately! :yes: And thanks for those photos!

OT - Is that Jeep parked in no parking area? :sly: Afaik,you can't park cars in PT stops...

^^ Why do you hate it? I think it's a rather cool project, at least better than an empty plot.

^^
Yeah,it's better than empty lot,but is the new building really better in any way than old Must Luik? I don't think so. It was quite distinctive 70s building which should have been renovated. Not to mention,that they got rid of Comarket store :ohno: Only closest stores in Kadriorg are now that another Comarket 1-2km towards city centre and Torupilli Selver,which is even further away.

From my point of view,the new building is as useful as that residential building which was built in place of Roheline Konn (before demolition it was one of oldest cafeterias in Kadriorg) :bash:

^^ AFAIK, they are planning to open a grocery store in the new building too. It's hard for me to look at the old Must Luik obejctively because of the state the building was in and the people that hung around there. I admit that it would've been worth saving but to have a building under heritage protection doesn't ensure you that the building will survive or remain in a tolerable state(look at Linnahall, for example). There's at least one positive aspect about the new Must Luik: a very nice wooden building behind it will be renovated.

Not to mention,that they got rid of Comarket store :ohno: Only closest stores in Kadriorg are now that another Comarket 1-2km towards city centre and Torupilli Selver,which is even further away.

Argh, don't tell me. I live a few hundred metres from the Black Swan and they demolished the old building just before I moved in. I figured they'd build a new centre soon but they just sat on their asses for two years. :ohno: Torupilli Selver is closer than the next Comarket for me, though. It's circa 800-900m I reckon.

here's the winning entry for the exhbition design of the estonian maritime museum, to be located in the hydroplane hangars, currently under renovation http://katkestuste-linn.blogspot.com/2010/11/119-vesilennukite-angaaride.html

here's the winning entry for the exhbition design of the estonian maritime museum, to be located in the hydroplane hangars, currently under renovation http://katkestuste-linn.blogspot.com/2010/11/119-vesilennukite-angaaride.html

It's awesome! :drool: I can't wait to see it done in real life!

New details have surfaced about Kultuurikatel project. To be more precise - layout of Kultuurikatel building complex. To foreigners - Kultuurikatel is reconstruction project of Tallinn's power plant (the old one,in passenger harbour) It's idea is to turn it into modern art & performance centre - basically it's Estonian version of Tate Modern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tate_Modern).

http://f.postimees.ee/o/2010/12/27/490119t1h3934.jpg

More about it here: http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=363179

Probably most interesting feature for architecture fans would be a view platform on top of old power plant chimney. Can you imagine the view from there? :drool: Btw,in recent months I've been in contact with Kavakava architects in order to get those ever elusive Kultuurikatel renders (and to create dedicated Kultuurikatel thread here on SSC),but I haven't got any words about those renders yet (they said those were supposed to be finished in December) Oh well... let's just hope some images surface in the media before construction starts in next year.

EDIT: Apparently Kultuurikatel Facebook has one render (I'm not sure if it's Kavakava work :dunno: Also,f******* Facebook! I hate it.)
http://i55.tinypic.com/10oqrue.jpg

I visited Tate Modern 2 weeks ago, an annexe is under construction behind the former electricity plant. It was funny to mention to my international friends that the Baltic Exchange Building (that stood on the site of 30 St. Mary Axe before bombings) is somewhere in containers in Maardu or somewhere.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs361.ash2/63956_123309654398112_100001572347896_152188_5278927_n.jpg
But, they have to build this one here, for sure, for sure, FOR SURE.
And, this should be an independent, clean and neat complex, as we know landmarks to be.

^^
For comparison - this is how our power plant boiler room currently looks like:
http://register.muinas.ee/thumbs/regular/18667.jpg

I agree that this project should be 'priority no.1'. After all,they cut off Linnateater extension funding for Kultuurikatel so they should atleast finish this project.

In the distant future Tallinn's Downtown coastal area will be just awesome - the new opera,renovated/rebuilt Linnahall (although I think new opera building is completed before that :D),new town hall,Kultuurikatel,maritime museum in Lennusadam and to top it off,seaworld. Not to mention that all this will be connected with a decent coastal promenade :happy:

Future of Tallinn's Downtown coastal area has never looked so bright before! :cheers:

Kind of place is called VENUE, I suppose.

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/06/09/192126t55h9677.jpg
Location: Rae (10km from Tallinn)
Construction: 2011-2012-2013-2015

Look at the size of that parking lot! O_o

Wait...what's that highrise in the middle of all that? Where did that come from?

hey people, what about Nordic & Baltic TALLINN Meet-Up | 22th - 24th OR 29th - 31st July 2011

What I have heard, they want to build cargo terminals at Lennart Meri Tallinn Aiport
http://www.tallinn-airport.ee/upload/Gallery/794big.jpg

Also, this Tallinn Airport will never get other runways, as one of the workers of Estonian Air said. They will only clean the site of small and ugly Russian summer houses nearby.

offtopic, aga kui rené juba mainis suvist kokkutulekut: mõtlen, et enne juulikuist rahvusvahelist võiks eesti foorumitüüpidega teha oma väikse kokkutuleku, et me omavahel juba vähemalt mingil määral tuttavaks saaksime. praegu arvutasin kokku, et olen selle foorumi kaudu saanud 4 head tuttavat ja lausa sõpra, nii et kokkusaamine läheks igati asja ette (:
(kujutan ette, et see võiks toimuda nii kevadel, kui juba ilmad soojemad ja saaks väljas passida, või äkki kuhugi mingi ekskursiooni korraldada? igatahes võib siis omaette teema teha selleks, aga te andke märku, kui idee ok tundub...)

Avaldan toetust eelpool esitatud ideele

Heina 17 Pelgulinnas. Jarmol on kindlasti mõni lahke sõna varuks, sest tegemist tema lemmikarhitekti loominguga. http://www.heina17.ee/http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_heina17.jpg

http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_HEina_2010_14.jpg

http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_HEina_2010_6%20copy.jpg

http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_HEina_2010_10%20copy.jpg

nojah ega mai šein pole juba paar aastakümmet ühtegi kena maja teinud... ma ei saa aru mis kuradi monopoli ta põhja-tallinnas välja on võidelnud... kõigepealt vabriku 8 ja 8a (ehitamises), siis graniidi 8 (ehitusluba olemas) ja nüüd veel see heina 17. no kurat.

Jep, idee toimib..

Võime kõik väärtmõtted kokku koguda, arutada, analüüsida, sünteesida, planeerida, organiseerida, kondikava koostada < kuhu mahlakas liha hiljem ümber läheb, või mis muud iganes, et välis- ja kodumaa tüüpidele Tallinn 2011 seesugust head kogemust ja uusi väärtmõtteid genereeriks, innustaks-inspireeriks-motiveeriks, ilma valehäbita.
Et, nad välismaal ka siia tulemise plaanid teevad.
Et, nad siinset hoomaks.
Et, hiljem mõelda/meenutada, et vot see kuradima 2011. aasta suvi - see, oli ikka see kick-ass avatuse suvi!
Seejuures pooldan pigem vägagi positiivse maine hoidlemist, läbimõtlemist, sest näitena minu jaoks on Tallinn olnud alati erilisem kui NYC või misiganes muu "BonBon" linn.
Julgust, enesekindlust ja paindlikku nautlemist!

Aga, minu eesmärk ei olnud demagoogiasse laskuda, vot! :colgate:
^^
Hiljaks ei tohiks jääda ja laadaks ei tasu kujundada.

Heina 17 Pelgulinnas. Jarmol on kindlasti mõni lahke sõna varuks, sest tegemist tema lemmikarhitekti loominguga. http://www.heina17.ee/http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_heina17.jpg

http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_HEina_2010_14.jpg

http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_HEina_2010_6%20copy.jpg

http://www.heina17.ee/images/phocagallery/thumbs/phoca_thumb_l_HEina_2010_10%20copy.jpg

It looks okay compared to this :D:
http://live.ehitusuudised.ee/images/publicationimages/b6dfaf40-3243-494b-abc7-8ede12b0a6dd_big.jpg

Seriously though,when will the construction of such cheap-ass buildings stop? I can't honestly picture anyone who would want to live in an apartment in such miserable looking house.

^^ Still better than modern commieblocks, I guess...

^^ Still better than modern commieblocks, I guess...

easier to demolish :)

^^
Elitist much?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1298959

Btw, can somebody remove that tag "city named after stalin"?

^^ Still better than modern commieblocks, I guess...

i don't think that at all :ohno: but thats just my opinion :)

Tallinn's administrative court / Tallinna Halduskohus has set restriction on Kultuurikatel construction contract,linking it to Estconde-E & Fund Ehitus vs. city court case,which has already ended up in state court / Riigikohus. This prohibits signing new contact with Astlanda and Rand & Tuulberg.

In another words - it's getting more and more likely that Kultuurikatel construction won't start in this year.

:(

Update on Tondi street 49 office building. Previous update from November is here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=67281117&postcount=1968).

http://i55.tinypic.com/24plb1g.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/346uqdd.jpg

^^ So it's made of blocks rather than poured concrete or concrete panels...interesting. I'm not too sure about the design, though.

the window comp is nice :). The top part is funny right now :)

It's inspired by old railway crossing watchtowers :D Makes you feel all nostalgic.

Hope this is the right place for this question - Does anyone know the exact year when the Liivalaia 24 courthouse was built? I've Googled it for half an hour - no results.

^ no...

it was designed between 1978 and 1986. but it wasn't completed in 1987, 1988 or later than 1992.

so... all i can say is it was completed somewhere between 1989 and 1991.

:D

1991 or 1992 sounds most plausible. Although,wasn't it's interior completed bit later? :dunno:

1991 or 1992 sounds most plausible.

not '92.

Hope this is the right place for this question - Does anyone know the exact year when the Liivalaia 24 courthouse was built? I've Googled it for half an hour - no results.

ok i've now confirmed it - the building was completed in 1991.

ok i've now confirmed it - the building was completed in 1991.
Thanks!

a cool new one currently u/c in kadriorg, poska 19. architects: kristiina hussar + kristiina aasvee with katrin etverk.

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-99.jpg

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-100.jpg

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-101.jpg

a cool new one currently u/c in kadriorg, poska 19. architects: kristiina hussar + kristiina aasvee with katrin etverk.

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-99.jpg

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-100.jpg

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-101.jpg

täiesti sobimatu arendus jällegi.

[Kunstiajaloolane ning Tallinna linnapea kultuurinõunik Jüri Kuuskemaa ütles, et kolmest majast suurim on üks vanemaid puithooneid Tallinnas ning kivist katusega maja esindab vanapärast klassitsismi.

«Ma arvan, et kui see korda tehakse, kuigi pätid on teda mõnevõrra põletanud, siis saab see olema nagu väike kompvek, mis esindab vanade aegade Kadriori klassikalisi ehitusstiile,» arvas Kuuskemaa.]

ma mõistan, et lihtsalt korrastamine ei ole võibolla tasuv, kuid see uus maja sinna kindlasti ei sobi, iseenesest ei ole ta kole aga see kant oleks võinud jääda algupäraseks.

aga no vingumine ei maksa midagi :rant:

a cool new one currently u/c in kadriorg, poska 19. architects: kristiina hussar + kristiina aasvee with katrin etverk.

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-99.jpg

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-100.jpg

http://uuslinna5.ee/pics/640/b-hoone-101.jpg

ilus maja aga täiesti sobimatu sinna, selle uue maja kõrval renoveeritakse kahte vana maja millest üks olevat üks vanimaid puitmaju tallinnas. mulle meeldiks kui see kant oleks jänud nii nagu oli aga no vingumine ei muuda kahjuks midagi, eks arendaja tahab raha ka teenida :(

I kind of like that.But it will all depend on what the color will eventually look.

that is great!

What about the facade? Charred wood?

^ i hope so! went to see it today. but we'll have to wait a bit more.

Midagi suriseb Uus-tatari 21. Selle asemele:

http://www.koduleidja.ee/files/reo_images_user/B/zxo3jvvr9fk99mjk8kgd.jpg

http://www.koduleidja.ee/files/reo_images/B/58td5sijqxsnn14gl2dr.jpg

tuleb see:

http://www.ikodu.com/pictures.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city24.ee%2FMEDIA%2FPICTURE%2F41%2F8%2F8%2F4%2FPICTURE_41884877.jpeg&dim=400x300&chk=566ca19aa15f01176430827158d814c4

http://www.ikodu.com/pictures.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city24.ee%2FMEDIA%2FPICTURE%2F41%2F8%2F8%2F4%2FPICTURE_41884881.jpeg&dim=400x300&chk=f7f89045b67384b86004c3e1189f6fbd

http://www.ikodu.com/pictures.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city24.ee%2FMEDIA%2FPICTURE%2F41%2F8%2F8%2F4%2FPICTURE_41884879.jpeg&dim=400x300&chk=bd44201c44ce3a5f8f3e7f4134de26d1
http://www.ikodu.com/pictures.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.city24.ee%2FMEDIA%2FPICTURE%2F41%2F8%2F8%2F4%2FPICTURE_41884883.jpeg&dim=400x300&chk=0882b7b996590b80a20c1d00e6f6aed3

ära tuleks keelata selliste karpide püstitamine. lihtsalt kohutav kuidas kesklinna selliseid asju lubatakse. mis sest, et see puitmaja on ajast ja arust, renoveerituna oleks ta siiski tunduvalt meeldivam kui too paneelkarp.

kuradi masendav.

btw, architect to blame: andres põime / studio3.

Typical Masu age building. Would look more or less okay in the suburbs...

White is a terrible colour for buildings. But I don't see why the "box" shape is so disliked...

I love white buildings, and I love box-ish buildings.. however, that particular building is dull and planted just by brute force.

crap.

Vabriku develpment is released. Architecture by Mai Shein.

http://www.astlanda.ee/vabriku/est/galerii

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/56128a75b262179e8161da62ba57bde3.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/e6a980e46aebd473a42980f1ce28c831.400x300.png

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i like that 5 storey white building too, nothing special but more respectable than some kind of wierd stuff again

Tivoli renders available: http://www.hga.ee/

^ it's their competition entry from 2007 and they didn't win.

^ it's their competition entry from 2007 and they didn't win.

Strange, check http://www.ikodu.com/?module=arendusprojektid&a=vdp&id=310

They refer to HG Arhitektuur. By the way who is the winner of competition of Tivoli?

^ looks like ikodu has made a mistake.

luhse & tuhal won the invited competition:

http://www.kinnisvaraturg.ee/?c=uudised&a_id=12802&agr=1
http://www.ap3.ee/?PublicationId=27f46177-7bae-4ed9-af75-f46b8a59bbfe
and
http://www.luhsetuhal.ee/

Thanks, I have now amended the mistake at ikodu!

Good thread!

^ welcome (:

btw it seems like emil urbel's office has designed a new 7-storey apt bldg right between the so-called toompargi residence and the meriton spa hotel. address is suve 2. building permission was granted late last year.

oh no! the architect of sakala 16a apt bldg is tõnu saan, author of koidu 102 bullshit... i wonder what he's up to now.

building permission is granted but i don't know if they've already demolished the old wooden building on the site or not.

^ welcome (:

btw it seems like emil urbel's office has designed a new 7-storey apt bldg right between the so-called toompargi residence and the meriton spa hotel. address is suve 2. building permission was granted late last year.

You mean this: http://blog.ikodu.com/2007/04/25/uus-eksklusiivne-projekt-tallinna-kesklinnas-toompark/

http://blog.ikodu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/eest.jpg

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/76d06a7ebddec802e2cfd457f416a389.400x300.png

This is the new visual of Toompark (http://www.ikodu.com/?module=arendusprojektid&a=vdp&id=231)

Btw, have you seen The Ideas of Tallinn http://issuu.com/martenkaevats/docs/tallinnaidee

^^
^^
That actually looks quite good :) ...despite being bit oddly situated towards Paldiski highway (why the higher part of this building isn't facing the street?)

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/d15b2076ebb5717579ea56fc5b6a29e8.400x300.png

This is the new visual of Toompark, they have just started to sell the flats though no actual deals just yet http://www.ikodu.com/?module=arendusprojektid&a=vdp&id=231. The old project was sold by Broadgate Capital a couple of years ago.

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/d15b2076ebb5717579ea56fc5b6a29e8.400x300.png

This is the new visual of Toompark, they have just started to sell the flats though no actual deals just yet http://www.ikodu.com/?module=arendusprojektid&a=vdp&id=231. The old project was sold by Broadgate Capital a couple of years ago.

Man this sucks so much. Are we absolutely certain that its the same project? Im suspicious that it might be the one towards paldiski...
http://blog.ikodu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/eest.jpg

If you look here then the glassy facade to the right is the SPA.
If you look at the ugly building in the previous post you can see the SPA is a bit further away...

^^
Nope,you got it wrong - these are two separate projects.
I think Jarmo or someone said that this empty lot was split into two separate lots - one of them has this ugly Toompark residential building and other (between Toompark & Meriton Spa) has Urbel's building.

I like the houses in Vabriku development. Sloping roofs and (decorative?) chimneys make them look much warmer and they will definitely last longer than standard modern small commieblocks that are being built in Vilnius. Excellent way to house lots of people but still keep an ordered, cosy feeling. And the funny thing is that they don't cost much more to build than those small cubes, yet the difference in how they look is massive.

ah yes, thanks toomas, now i remember i had already seen that (:

and YES, the urbel building placement is a bit weird! at first sight anyway. btw the paldiski mnt-side facade is facing south so i would love to see some apt plans. there must be something to it.

^^ And the south side could definitely use some windows...

just hate the urbel building, facade facing the street is just Terrible. why oh why would anobody like this kind of building, cold calm, boring grey windowless emotionless facade. tallinna kaubamaja B-block was build 1973 and the whole kaubamaja including the B-block has the same style to it, only it was build 40-50 years ago and looks much better than this one

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505967t54h66b5.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505971t54h8d64.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505969t54he7c5.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505968t54h3c57.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505978t54h45a1.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505977t54h3278.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505970t54h7454.jpg

BUT - what is this????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/01/27/505975t54h569c.jpg

rené, see here: http://www.meeliku.ee/

the bldg u/c is the one with 8 floors, one of the 5-floorers was completed late last year.

Yes, the Paldiski mnt 12 and 14 (Toompark) are two diffrent developments. I think the reason why the facade is not open to the Paldiski mnt is Paldiski mnt 16 and 20 location. The 12 and 14 follow 16 and 20 rythm.

http://www.koduleidja.ee/files/reo_images_user/B/ptvzmn571jjmdgm4nvyu.jpg

http://www.koduleidja.ee/files/reo_images/B/e07li3gjh3i88uugpfxw.jpg

Luise 13 renders available (AB Kirsimaa ja Niineväli). I have seen detail where was planned two houses for Luise 13. As you can see there is now one big blok. Location and size 2500m2???

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/0ba62240efe6ac25904a90f7d54dd661.400x300.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/99a1e8b1b73ac1fa90ebcf8059b8648d.400x300.png

And current situation:

http://www.koduleidja.ee/files/reo_images/B/f2zx356ynzhdwdsuifit.jpg

toomas, sinu artikkel tänases sirbis?

toomas, sinu artikkel tänases sirbis?

Mina jah, aga eriti lugejasõbralik see tekst just ei ole - 100% Sirp.

Luise 13 seems awfully big besides those two-storey buildings.

Luise 13 renders available (AB Kirsimaa ja Niineväli). I have seen detail where was planned two houses for Luise 13. As you can see there is now one big blok. Location and size 2500m2???

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/0ba62240efe6ac25904a90f7d54dd661.400x300.png


i am PRETTY CERTAIN that this is not the real thing. the one you showed on facebook should be the approved volume for that plot. (no, wait... where the hell did i see that small rendering of the approved volume with 2 buildings?!)

detailplaneeringust:

"- Krundile on kavandatud kaks hoonet, et vältida miljöösse sobimatu suure hoone ehitamist.

- Luise tn 13 krunt on kasutamise seisukohast väga sobivalt tsoneeritud. Äriruumidega hoone on planeeritud tänava äärde moodustades elamu ja rekreatsiooniala suhtes müraekraani. Elamu on kavandatud ärihoonest lõunasse ja sellega on tagatud pikim võimalik insolatsiooni kestus eluruumides. Elamu ehitamiseks määratud hoonestusala põhjapoolne piir on määratud sellise suunaga, et hoonetevahelisele alale kavandatud haljastus saaks enam valgust.

‑ Luise tn 13 tänava poolse 3‑korruselise ärihoone sobitamiseks valdavalt puithoonetega tänavafassaadi on hoone projekteerimiseks määratud nõue kasutada välisviimistluses Luise tänava poolsel ja Luise tn 15 poolsel fassaadil vähemalt 50% ulatuses puitu."

oliver orro selgitus:

"Luise 13 on üsna paha lugu, aga ma ei saanud midagi teha. Paha lugu on ennekõike võrdse kohtlemise ja kaasva planeerimise seisukohast. Täiesti terviklikus ajalooliste majade reas ühe seisundi poolest säilitamiskõlbuliku hoone asendamine uushoonega ei ole sisuliselt õigustatud, eriti kui ülejäänutele on seatud piirangud. Pealegi on see täpselt mälestise kõrval (mälestis on Luise 15 suur Uessoni kavandatud juugendmaja, kus muuses on väga lahedad interjöörid). Ma ausalt öeldes üldse ei tea, kas Luise tänava kaasamine miljööalasse oli õige mõte, see liikluskoormus on ikka nii metsik, kes seal ikka puumajas elada tahab. Samas see, kuidas ta läheb Kaarli kiriku telje peale, on jälle kuidagi väga šeff ja tähendusrikas (Kaarli oli, eks ole, ennekõike rahvalt kogutud annetustega ehitatud Toompea eestlaste kirik, mis tähendab siis sisuliselt ennekõike Toompea eeslinna eestlasi, nii et need Luise tänava äärsed puithütikesed ongi tegelikult see kultuurikeskkond, kust Kaarli kogudus on välja kasvanud, neoromaanilik Kaarli kirik tänava sihil justkui sümboliseerib linnaeestlaste püüdlusi jõuda agulist Euroopaliku vaimukultuuri juurde jne jne -- siit võib pikalt edasi mõelda). Aga praegu on fakt see, et teistele Luise tänava majadele on öeldud, et lammutada ei saa ja suuremat ehitusõigust ei saa ja siis nüüd üks äkki saab - mis toimub?? Aga, oh häda, see planeering on algatatud paraku enne miljööala laiendust ja kehtib igavesest ajast igavesti, nagu planeeringud ikka. Ja kuna mälestise kaitsevöönd oli ainult krundi ulatuses, siis on, nagu on ja midagi ei olnud võimalik reguleerida. Me saime ainult suure hädaga korruseid maha kaubelda, sest alguses taheti teha, kui ma õigesti mäletan, 6-7 korrust kogu krundi ulatuses. Üldiselt on seal arhitektide poolt püütud vaeva näha ja midagi normaalset kokku joonistada ja tänavafassaadi osas ma surusin neile peale puidu kasutamise, aga ega mul ei ole väga palju lootust, et sealt midagi normaalset kokku tuleb."

this is what i meant: http://www.kv.ee/?act=object.show&object_id=1050240&largeimages

although i dont know if this is the real thing either, the courtyard building still seems bigger than allowed.

Mina jah, aga eriti lugejasõbralik see tekst just ei ole - 100% Sirp.

küll asjast huvitunud ta läbi närivad :P

this is what i meant: http://www.kv.ee/?act=object.show&object_id=1050240&largeimages

although i dont know if this is the real thing either, the courtyard building still seems bigger than allowed.

The big house was surprise for me too. But it is a good example how the city planning process looks like. There is a city approved detail plan and somewhere is dream of real estate businessman...

Question - What happened to Financial Ministry highrise extension plans? Is it on hold or cancelled?

I remember few years ago it was mentioned that second tower would be useless as market had too many empty office spaces. However things are changing fast,so...is this project going to be dug out one day?

I mean that one:
http://rkas.ee/photos/sa1.jpg

well, the detpl for a 14-storey annex was approved back in 2007, but according to ehitisregister, they haven't yet applied for a building permission.

so my guess is... we'll have to wait for a while for this thing.

Some fancy pictures from Komeedi 14 http://www.komeedi14.ee/est/galerii/. The second building is now finished and for sale. I have been inside and should say it is best apartment planning in Tallinn - complicated but makes feel good.

http://www.komeedi14.ee/thumbnail/type/galleryfull/id/20

http://www.komeedi14.ee/thumbnail/type/galleryfull/id/21

http://www.komeedi14.ee/thumbnail/type/galleryfull/id/22

http://www.komeedi14.ee/thumbnail/type/galleryfull/id/35

yeah, this is looks really good comparing to the other apartment buildings

not for disabled people, obviously :)

Too bad that only courtyard looks cool. The other side looks like that: http://i48.tinypic.com/fncw9k.jpg :bash:

Now, if we could have some filler looking that good in the city center...

New 'Must Luik' (Black Swan) building construction works & renovation works of 'Mons Repos' villa have caught attention of newspapers. You can read about it here:http://www.tallinnapostimees.ee/?id=381273 ..and here:http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/591999

Also,here's one new render of Must Luik:
http://f.postimees.ee/f/2011/02/01/508344t44h85cb.jpg

About the Luise street development:

The whole Luise-Koidu-Endla-Toompuiestee block seems kind of "empty" on the inside. As far as I can remember it's mostly just a overgrown fenced up area. Although this development seems way too large for the neighborhood, it might act as a catalyst to fill up more of the inside (wishful thinking probably).

A place like that in Tokyo, they would make an additional street there, lined with small houses.

About the Luise street development:

The whole Luise-Koidu-Endla-Toompuiestee block seems kind of "empty" on the inside. As far as I can remember it's mostly just a overgrown fenced up area. Although this development seems way too large for the neighborhood, it might act as a catalyst to fill up more of the inside (wishful thinking probably).

A place like that in Tokyo, they would make an additional street there, lined with small houses.

Luise-Koidu-Endla-Toompuiestee block is empty, but it is also pointless and has no bright future. I can not imagine you can live in this area for long time - Luise and Endla have so heavy traffic and there is no easy connection to the city. How small children walk or survive in this area? So I think this area is good for hostels or some sort of small business (like krishna). This area is not for living so long as the Luise is available for cars. So cut of cars from Luise and you have the best devolpment area in the centre of Tallinn.

^^ Luise street can't be closed for cars since it's the only street than connects the Centre to Sõpruse puiestee.

^^ Luise street can't be closed for cars since it's the only street than connects the Centre to Sõpruse puiestee.

That is my point: Luise-Endla-Toompuiestee-Koidu bloc has no future (unfortunately).

Luise-Koidu-Endla-Toompuiestee block is empty, but it is also pointless and has no bright future. I can not imagine you can live in this area for long time - Luise and Endla have so heavy traffic and there is no easy connection to the city.

The easy connection is Tõnismäe and Koidu trolley and bus stops - on the direction out of the city. From the direction into the city - long traffic light crossings.

Compare Kristiine Keskus - reaching it from the direction into the city is easy because Taksopargi stop is right at the front door. Reaching it from the outbound direction... long traffic light crossings from Taksopargi stop of 6 and 16, or long traffic light crossing from Koskla stop of 2 and 3, then long walk and another traffic light. 17 and 23 were recently moved from Koskla to Tulika stop, so just one traffic light or zebra crossing and closer. Still much farther than Taksopargi stop on the other direction.

What the block between Endla and Luise Street needs is a pedestrian access from the other direction. Which the levels of the slope of Tõnismägi actually offers. There is a parking lot gap between the lower end of National Library and the building of Citizenship and Migration Office. How about building a trolley and bus stop pocket there. And then a pedestrian tunnel, through cellars of National Library, beneath the Endla Street in the Tõnismäe end into the cellars of Political Police, and back out near the outbound Tõnismäe stop. Or else stairs and lifts to the upper floors of National Library and then a viaduct over Endla Street. And similar access arrangements on Luise Street side?

^^
I think that Endla-Tulika junction needs underground pedestrian tunnels. Current traffic scheme where you have to make Z-shaped crossing to get other side of the street is just ridiculous.

Tbh,Endla street (and nearby streets) is dead end for car traffic anyway. Low traffic throughput,dangerous Endla-Tulika-Sõpruse junction and bad pedestrian access point out that Endla & Luise streets can't cope with big traffic volumes and they get clogged with traffic jams.
Thankfully thinking heads of Tallinn have also realised that and future plans propose other routes for East<>West car traffic...

Endla-Koidu-Toompuiestee-Luise bloc is quite empty and abandoned right now. As we know there are many plans to replace some small houses with big apartment buildings (Luise 13, 25 27). How new people can connect to the city central - you can only walk (about 5 minutes to the Vabaduse Väljak).

So this area is not for car owners. But people who walk prefer cozier environment - not like you see on Luise 13 renders. So we can ask - who is the target group for Endla-Koidu-Toompuiestee-Luise area. Who is going to be new people of Endla-Koidu-Toompuiestee-Luise? Definitely not a business class, not a families. Hipsters and hippies?

(edit: no, wait, stupid idea.)

I agree that Luise and Endla streets are a huge mess, but I don't really see an alternative: Kassisaba is on one side and Tõnismägi on the other. Õismäe&Mustamäe to the center traffic pretty much has to go through there. Of course, when the Viru square was closed, almost all the traffic went through Suur-Ameerika, but it seemed to create an even bigger congestion. Maybe Paldiski road?


Btw, waiting for buses is a good time to think about the traffic/planning schemes of Tallinn, all the stops have a full map of Tallinn.

That Koidu-Komeedi flats are usually with 3 floors. If you go to flat - you are 2nd floor, there is one above and one below.

A new Reval cafe has recently been opened right next to Merivälja bus stop. The location is good for popping in if you're driving to work or waiting for a bus. Otherwise the area is pretty much a disgrace. There's a heavily trafficed street in front of it, an old bus pavilion, an abandoned store and a house, a railway and a Statoil filling station.
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5900/img6062j.jpg (http://img291.imageshack.us/i/img6062j.jpg/)


Oh, BTW, that gym/restaurant building at Maarjamäe has been fully clad by now. No photos, unfortunately.

Nice that ugly car store/future restaurant carcass of Pirita Road is finally gone! :)

Cafe looks similar to one which was standing in Tõnismäe area,on the corner of Sakala street & Pärnu Highway. It was 'Balti Sepik' cafe or smth like that. In fact...it looks very,VERY similar to old cafe there :sly: Is that same cafe building rebuilt in Merivälja?

^^ It is the exact same building. To be honest, they've done a pretty good joob rebuilding it. It looked like an old oversized shipping container when it was placed at it's current location. But now it looks pretty much OK. I haven't visited it yet myself, even though I wait for the bus there every morning :D

looks nice :)

Yet another huge retail centre has surfaced,this one is planned next to Tallinna-Rannamõisa-Klooga Highway in Tallinn's metro area,between Vääna-Jõesuu & Muraste. Right now locals are fighting against detail planning which allows construction of 75000 m2 retail & industrial centre & 10000 m2 residential buildings. Locals are afraid that such large centre would add 5000 cars/daily to Rannamõisa highway which already has 15000 cars/daily,creating congestions in the future. They also fear that such huge centre is too big for Harku county.

http://static.epl.ee/pildid/2011/normal/177591.jpg

Source: http://www.epl.ee/artikkel/592943

So this brings number of planned retail 'cities' to three - this project,one planned next to Pärnu Highway and one next to Tartu Highway (Ameerikanurga). All three projects share similarities - they're all aimed for people with cars,who live or commute to/from Tallinn's suburbia. Those centre are very big,have almost non-existent PT links and according to developers,every centre is supposed to become 'The best/biggest in Estonia/Baltics/Nordics' :lol: Tbh,those developers should be bit cautious with those projects...for example,Pääsküla Maksimarket,which was also build in the edge of Tallinn,was (excluding few truck drivers and passers-by) empty of customers for years before people finally started visiting it.

ikodu has published a new project planned to be built in lasnamäe, facing the song festival grounds. design is by fe architects.

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/7628b2567ccd82d38a1551c30963e37d.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/967ff42bb5fe583ba8325f85487524c3.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/dc7c25f6486c21a1f7e3e0202a03d524.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/664a867703cdd49971fe50db3a00fd31.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/efe8ee7fcd76e1186bf2327fd219c67e.png

Locals are afraid that such large centre would add 5000 cars/daily to Rannamõisa highway which already has 15000 cars/daily,creating congestions in the future. They also fear that such huge centre is too big for Harku county.

20000 cars per day is pretty much the maximum for a regular 2x1 highway. It won't be long when Rannamõisa highway will get its fair share of traffic light intersections.

^^ to Jarmos post. I think it suites the place. Only if they really would plant threese ike in renderings. The building is not so offencive.

a couple of construction updates from earlier today.

1. must luik / black swan apartment bldg. workers on site, looks like it's back on track after the little halt. villa mon repos looks good too, no photos though.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/1772566750c7a3_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/177256759b837b_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/177256814a714e_o.jpg

http://www.jvr.ee/tmp/img_c/resize_323bb835f98fa0b2165130382f2bb319?cached=1238568510



2. vana-kuuli development in lasnamäe. the final new bldg of the complex is well underway. it will be 1/3 smaller than the first 2 ones.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/17725697bae7b7_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/1772568783740d_o.jpg

http://www.ncc.ee/public/images/projects/front/cam_1.jpg



3. meeliku street development + the russian orthodox church in lasnamäe.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/177257056c81ad_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/1772572166e3ce_o.jpg

one of the 3 buildings is now completed, the second one is u/c.
http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/177257151412bd_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/17725709f6e0a3_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/3/17725807904c7d_l.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/17725723f7bd5f_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/177257299a12af_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/17725731bfa9ab_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/709/2/177257378d7691_o.jpg

http://uuseesti.ee/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/LasnamaeOrthodox.jpg

^^ Is that current development next to the church municipal housing?

do you mean if the black-and-white buildings are next to the loopealse municipal houses? if so, then yes.

if they only try and plant trees and grass and some bushes there, make footpaths and lanes for bicycles and think about the needs of disabled people then it does'nt actualy look as bad as rest of the Lasnamäe. Im not a big fan of the Church and what it represents (other than religion) but it kinda makes this place more liveable.

Blasphemy! :shifty: Are you suggesting that Lasnamäe should be turned into normal,human friendly city district? j/k

All recent roadworks and other projects in Lasnamäe (Smuuli road extension,Pae street,Pae park,etc) have added bicycle paths and shrubbery,so I think eventually area around church & municipal buildings will also get improvements. Tbh,I don't care if they build several churches or mosques there (check out the lower half of Lasnamäe church cross - with it's crescent it's mosque in disguise :D) ,but only thing that I really hate about all those projects is the way how these are used for political propaganda for one specific political party (they've also attended municipal buildings opening)

im just saying that although we really want to "Stop Lasnamäe" and rather to see it demolished completely it sadly won't happen in our life time. Sure lot's of buildings will be demolished in maybe 15-30 years but new ones will come on the same spot if we don't change our mindset, sadly it seems we (I mean they) haven't. new municipal houses and houses near pirita river are all built close together, even more so than older building are and ofc without any landscaping.

I know that in the city building are close together anyway but i'd rather dmolish every tenth house in Lasnamäe and Try to plant some trees or make small parks. Anything to make it more...humane. It must me possible to plants some trees there.

Mustamäe is baiscly the same as Lasnamäe when it comes to terrible architecture the thing that makes big difference and makes Mustamäe more tolerable is the greenery. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=765974&page=4

And i agree with you about that political partey thing.

It's fairly complicated to create proper greenery in Lasnamäe because the soil on top of the limestone is really very thin and we, in our infinite wisdom, can't really do anything to improve that.

Meeliku street development looks quite decent, surrounded by mountains of snow, in my opinion, compared to it's render and a word about political situation; politics is a dirty business. thanks jarmo!

this new lasnamäe seems like a bastard child of the traditional city blocks and park city planning: the traffic problems of the former and the horrible bleakness of the former... As an interesting sidenote, right nearby in katleri and kuristiku quartiers (asumid) there are actually some quite tall trees and even a bit of park-like places.

About the Vääna-Jõesuu ärikeskus: the locals' protests area typical NIMBY but unlike the other developments near Tartu and Pärnu highways, there isn't a single major road in a 15km radius of the place. Klooga highway is more or less OK but it ends in Haabersti traffic circle, that's already overloaded, and all the other roads are really narrow and falling apart. I wonder how they'd get the goods in and out for the "small industry".

So, the main map of the Linnahall/Kultuurikatel detail plan has been revealed!

The buildings are pretty much as expected. Nothing horrible, actually, and much better than today's situation. The big surprise is instead the complete redoing of the Ahtri/Mere pst/Kopli/Sadama etc intersection.

In the main variant, Rannamäe tee is to be removed and the current mess in front of Linnahall to be replaced by a giant roundabout. Põhjaväil will get at least 6 lanes towards Balti jaam... However, the long-term solution calls for the two directions of Mere pst to be separated completely, with houses in between.:) I really hope they follow suit with Põhjaväil near Russalka, as discussed on this forum.

Yet another possibility, mentioned in the seletuskiri, would have the whole traffic apparatus moved underground, as also suggesed by BIG.:banana:

This is one of those rare plans in Tallinn that actually has a preliminary solution debated, so I hope the public, including us on this forum, can shape the plan towards the better.

Check it out! (http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP033820/DP033820151289.pdf)

I'm not sure if roundabouts are good idea in such place,but area planning is just... :drool: Can't wait to see all this done (especially the new town hall)

Btw,no.8 looks to be shopping centre between Kultuurikatel & sea :nuts: Let's hope that this won't be built.

What I'm really interested about in this particular planning is the road and tram track layout.

1) They are planning to remove Rannamäe road so how will Linnahall and Paldiski road be connected? They surely cannot afford a tunnel, although it would great. Without a tunnel I don't really see where those 4 lanes of traffic would go.

From the perspective traffic scheme:
2) Tram tracks would run on the other side of Põhja puiestee. It would create the need for extra crossing and slow down trams even more. On the other hand, it would bring Linnahalli tram stop closer to the new City Hall, which is a good thing.
3) A potential tram line towards Patarei prison - I'm positively surprised about that. I've always felt that the northern part of Kalamaja lacks a proper connection the the city centre.

1) They are planning to remove Rannamäe road so how will Linnahall and Paldiski road be connected? They surely cannot afford a tunnel, although it would great. Without a tunnel I don't really see where those 4 lanes of traffic would go.


Oh, don't worry about that, the city has plans for everything, they just don't like to show them to the public...

A careful study of this (http://guruprojekt.ee/tehtud/baltijaama.jpg) document probably holds the answer to your question. Look on the right.

sellest kirbukakast ei saa midagi aru

Siis võiks see veelgi rohkem meeldida.
(http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP032570/DP032570145211.pdf)

Võrdluseks üks plaan Rootsist. (http://planer.sbk.stockholm.se/SBKPlanTemplates/DocumentDownload.aspx?FileId=1346329&FileName=0812203.PDF&DataSource=2)

Is it really that difficult to make a PDF with friggin layers :ohno:

Hei..
I don't know why, but i can't download..

You want to download the PDFs? If yes, then the easiest solution is just to right click on the link and select 'save link as...'

[QUOTE=C30;73388715]Siis võiks see veelgi rohkem meeldida.
(http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP032570/DP032570145211.pdf)

I think the archtects who were drawing this were be much more happy, when they coulnt make so crazy darwings like this. What you are watching is DEMANDS OF CITY.

Siis võiks see veelgi rohkem meeldida.
(http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP032570/DP032570145211.pdf)


F*** ! Maybe they missed something from that plan? :nuts:

Btw,atleast in next 10 years Tondi street railway viaduct is not going to be built. I live close to it and they have been planning it well over decade now,still haven't managed to figure out how to provide car access to nearest residential buildings (street will be lowered,thus cutting off courtyards) and from what I've seen,they don't have very solid plans for pedestrians either. :D It's as messy as this .pdf file.

select 'save link as...'

or 'save linked content...'

Lasnamäe city district government building construction near Pae park:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_OIfjMRHRwmE/TWv0Ro5KbNI/AAAAAAAADUI/wCGV0RcnsCk/s912/P2280100.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_OIfjMRHRwmE/TWv10_AbFpI/AAAAAAAADU4/GKBFYnXgA-8/s912/P2280056.JPG

Some other pictures from that area (https://picasaweb.google.com/kasskaspu/PaePark28022011?authkey=Gv1sRgCKSa1Jiq6sHbdQ&feat=directlink)

Nice update! :okay: And pretty impressive progress considering that construction started in November 2010.

What I have heard, they want to build cargo terminals at Lennart Meri Tallinn Aiport
http://www.tallinn-airport.ee/upload/Gallery/794big.jpg

Also, this Tallinn Airport will never get other runways, as one of the workers of Estonian Air said. They will only clean the site of small and ugly Russian summer houses nearby.

And now they are also planning to build aircraft maintenance complex. So,starting in this year (?) - cargo terminal,private aircraft terminal & aircraft maintenance complex. Starting in next few years (?) - runway extension.

Looks like Tallinn's Airport is on the roll again.

Few photo updates...

Villardi 11. Looks like it will be completed in next few months. Btw,most apartments have been sold out already,so I guess it's a WIN for developers. Looks quite good,but has a huge and not-so-nice firewall.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2eaqv4y.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2ymu2qx.jpg

Adamsoni 3. Last update from July 2010 is here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=60538743&postcount=1815). Has made slower progress than Villardi street building. Workers are building roof & preparing for cladding works (it will have wooden exterior)

http://i52.tinypic.com/28ov1d.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2exr4i1.jpg

^^ What's worse than a firewall is a building with no firewalls at all. Closed perimeter planning FTW!



BTW: by how much will they extend the runway and will they also make it wider?

has anyone noticed action on skoone bastion? well, last week construction started on the temporary straw theatre (for no99) by salto architects. this will be their first building in tallinn. construction should finish in less than 2 months. the building will be demolished in autumn this year.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/31/17807799a2e26d_o.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/31/17807803b5cb37_o.jpg

testing the wall
http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/31/1780782172ee2a_o.jpg

and what will be salto's second building in tallinn, the baltic film and media school, also started recently. the building will be completed in january 2012 - after which they will start building the terrace / car park and the gallery between 2 buildings.

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/31/17807807f4b38d_o.jpg

'Toompargi Residents' or smth like that.. - the Paldiski Highway 14 apartment building.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ezmmfp.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/2akg36x.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/2zi6fwo.jpg

good job tin can. i was just about to go and see how far they are with the toompargi building, but now there's no need :P

That Skoone Bastion summer theatre looks nice. Judging by those renders it will be built in the middle of the bastion,right over central stairs. I hope that junkies and homeless people don't tear it apart when it's done.

BTW: by how much will they extend the runway and will they also make it wider?

~300 meters longer. Don't know how much wider it will be,but according to airport people after that extension TLL will be able to handle 'the biggest aircraft' ...whatever they mean by that. (even now airport has Boeing 747 visits)

i don't remember if these projects have been mentioned here... anyway... some projects in more or less the same area as the ones posted above by tin can.

adamsoni 2 / toompuiestee 17a by jaak huimerind & andres lember

http://www.arhliit.ee/filer.php?ctype=project&id=1235&stype=image&sid=1960


tehnika 22 / rohu 1 by jaak huimerind, andres lember & indrek laos (see also http://www.favorte.ee/index.php?frm_app_page=6&frm_app_action=1&frm_app_id=49)

http://www.arhliit.ee/filer.php?ctype=project&id=476&stype=image&sid=516


paldiski mnt 17 / eha 4 by jaak huimerind, anne kose & krista thomson

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/d47f1ae8533a9e68d00bf71a284c6bf1.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/9fb949245b5fedbca185d28f952fdc3f.png

Lol,thanks Jarmo!

Adamsoni & Tehnika street buildings are smth new. Despite being odd buildings sticking out in Kassisaba neighbourhood,I like both of them :D Btw,it's surprising how many projects land in that area. It seems that people really like quiet & well developed neighbourhoods right next to city centre (Kalamaja is equally popular,although it attracts lot less new buildings) It gives some hope that in the future suburbia will not be as powerful,if people would just 'discover' more old neighbourhoods in the city...

talk of the devil - the abovementioned andres lember & jaak huimerind together with martin ivask have won a competition to design a social hosing in tallinn's veerenni area (varre str 7).

http://ehitusuudised.ee/article/2011/3/2/uue-sotsiaalmaja-projekteerija-selgunud

no pics yet.

Something from Sipelgapesa district, good copywriter namework :D

http://www.hot.ee/setusitalill//sipelgapesa.jpg

new crane cokpits are nice... probably stolen from spacecraft... :lol:


BTW jarmo, that Skone Theatre looks to much "Pirita tee Lillepaviljon" to me:popcorn:

Wow. I guess I can now consider myself initiated into Tallinn's planning process. It is even more bureucratic than I thought, a really f***ed up version of the Scandinavian development model, already complex in itself, requiring exhibitions and debate.

The differences being a 3 times longer time of realization, almost no debate on the city side and in local newspapers, and the plan being as good as finished when it goes onto the first round of public discussion.

What happened? I just visited the "public exhibition" of the Linnahall etc preliminary detail plan. Before you can even see the plans, they require name, signature and documentation. You are then led to an office where you are allowed to get yourself familiar with about 1000 pages of...everything, with almost none of it relating to urban planning and architecture. Thankfully, the city specialist working on the project was happy to answer questions, and I got a good look on the 15 or so separate traffic schemes, some involving tunnels, all of them with a different layout. Might be something for you, Rebasepoiss...

I'm happy to see some nice plans, but the way it's done could be improved a lot. It's not just the laws that have to change, but the whole mentality.

Sorry to here about that bad experience :).


Across the street from my current appartment plans have been made to build a new appartment block with some space for businesses as wel. It comprises 2 seperate buildings. One will have 5 floors and one underground floor and the other one also 5 floors, but up to 3 underground floors. I'm too much of a noob to be able to go into more detail, so I'll just post the links :p.

Location: Koidu 99/109 - Planeedi 5/7 http://tpr.tallinn.ee/plaan/kaart.aspx (enter adress on the right).

Plan announcement: http://www.tallinn.ee/ametlikud_teated?id=7839

Detail planning: http://tpr.tallinn.ee/tpr/Start.aspx?PageName=Menetlus&MLiik=DP&MID=101586


Pictures:

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP019990/DP019990151540.jpg

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP019990/DP019990151539.jpg

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP019990/DP019990151538.jpg

Plans: http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP019990/DP019990151537.pdf


Pretty ugly and boring, but better than a lot of shit that's being built right now :p.

Kassisaba is hot.

Wismari and Tehnika corner.

http://www.facio.ee/image.php?src=img%2Fref%2Fresized%2F272.jpg

http://www.facio.ee/image.php?src=img%2Fref%2Fresized%2F272.jpg

Something from Sipelgapesa district, good copywriter namework :D

http://www.hot.ee/setusitalill//sipelgapesa.jpg

new crane cokpits are nice... probably stolen from spacecraft... :lol:

I happened to be in that area today and also took few photos. No matter what real estate developers are calling it,it's located in Mustamäe,on the corner of Sipelga street & Sõpruse avenue (basically next to Sõpruse avenue & Tammsaare road interchange)

http://i51.tinypic.com/1zf2ycp.jpg

http://i56.tinypic.com/xgguo6.jpg

Boring commieblock. Crane is nice though :D

winning entry by salto architects (www.salto.ee - new homepage online next week!) in an invited competition to design a new office building for g4s security company. to be located near tallinn zoo, more precisely paldiski mnt 82. (just so you know - it's a simple decorated box because g4s is trying to keep the budget very low...)

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/61/17815447fdac0f_l.jpg/1

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/61/17815449dab4e8_l.jpg/1

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/712/61/17815453ea9c23_l.jpg/1

renderings are so "Knorr 5 min ready-to-go soup" like.

Meh probaly Salto sended them a "thermo printed coupon bill" with small text:
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coffee 1€
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sugar 0.1 €
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renderings 3pics 3€
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TOTAL: 4.10 €
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HAVE A NICE DAY!

sorry but who the hell should give a damn about quickly done renderings? (; (especially if it's a rather small invited competition, not some bigass international one...) if there are good ideas behind a project you don't necessarily need high-end renderings with which some slave has spent days and nights tryig to 'get it right'... (sorry martin :D)

At my request, the Linnahall alternative traffic schemes are now online (http://www.tallinn.ee/est/g6106s54358). Which ones do you like the most?

Bash me if you like,but I would prefer plan no.11 with tunnel. Why it's better than no.10? Easy - one less roundabout :D

Tunnel would be expensive,but it would also leave lot more open feeling to area between Rannavärav & Linnahall. And it would also be a lot more pedestrian friendly. Okay,it's not perfect (as I understand it,this would make it 2 level street),but it's best solution out of all those.

i like 7

Of course I prefer the tunnels as an urbanist and a pedestrian but from a driver's point of view they're pretty complicated. Both require a traffic light intersection inside the tunnel and extra roads on the surface...kinda beats the purpose of a tunnnel, if you ask me.

What could also work pretty well is no.9 - building the road in a ditch. It would decrease visual impact and noise pollution and cost a lot less than a tunnel. What even works better with this solution(when compared to the tunnel) is that there would be no need for extra roads on the surface(if you exclude the road around the Old Town which would just connect its streets to one another, creating little traffic). Furthermore, pedestrian access from the Old Town to the harbour is also probably better with solution no.9.

sorry but who the hell should give a damn about quickly done renderings? (; (especially if it's a rather small invited competition, not some bigass international one...) if there are good ideas behind a project you don't necessarily need high-end renderings with which some slave has spent days and nights tryig to 'get it right'... (sorry martin :D)

you know I absolutly agree with this. Aslong as the renders show the idea clearly. But you have to be honest, if they are very well done + show the idea clearly.. its even better ;)

as for the project, its one of the most boring ones ive seen from salto ...

It's better to have crappy renders,than no renders at all. Sigh...Kultuurikatel...:no:

Speaking of which - Kultuurikatel construction contract will be signed finally (probably in this month) Despite that,as ridiculous as it is,it's unlikely that any European Culture Capital events are held there.

Hmm, I don't know what it is, but this look good to me. All in all, nice filler.

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP019990/DP019990151540.jpg

Browsing through recent city government decisions,I noticed this:
...võtta vastu Kesklinnas asuva 0,19 ha suuruse maa-ala kohta koostatud Juurdeveo tn 25 kinnistu detailplaneering, Guru Projekt OÜ töö nr 07-08, milles on ette nähtud muuta Juurdeveo tn 25 kinnistu transpordimaa maakasutuse sihtotstarve 55% ulatuses tootmis- ja 45% ulatuses ärimaaks ja on määratud ehitusõigus krundile kuni 4 maapealse ja 2 maa-aluse korrusega jaamahoone rajamiseks ning olemasoleva jaamahoone ja endise tööriistakuuri rekonstrueerimiseks.

Basically,it seems that Edelaraudtee is planning to build new train station building,designed by Guru Projekt, in Tallinn-Väike. Detail planning itself was started in 2008.

Does anyone know more about it? Has it been discussed somewhere before?



EDIT: Found the answers myself. There's a serious plan of building new station there + renovating old station building. New station should be close to existing one,but all current structures remain there,as they are under heritage protection. Damn,I'd like to see some renders or plans of this project.

Talking about renders - the cars in front of the buildings. There are always same top cars of Porche, Mercedes, Audi, Lexus. Is it some dream of real estate businessman or just designers joke?

http://tpr.tallinn.ee/TPR_DOK/DP/DP019990/DP019990151540.jpg

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/7628b2567ccd82d38a1551c30963e37d.png

http://rkas.ee/photos/sa1.jpg

http://blog.ikodu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/eest.jpg

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/17247285eb77db_o.jpg

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/0ba62240efe6ac25904a90f7d54dd661.400x300.png

http://static3.nagi.ee/i/p/689/89/172472892533f8_o.jpg

models of fancy cars are more easily available in the net.

+ ofcourse the psychological aspect

20 year old Toyota or Ford or some cheap Korean car would be much closer to reality on most cases :lol:

^^ I disagree. People who can afford to buy an apartment in the city centre most likely drive rather expensive cars. Even a parking space often costs more than € 10,000

Lutheran Church to develop Tallinn’s highest skyscraper
09.03.2011, 11:00

Estonian Lutheran Church has quietly become one of the country’s main developers and is now planning to develop a skyscraper in central Tallinn, writes Eesti Päevaleht.

The building could have 32 stories and would be located on a vacant lot on the corner of Lennuki and Maakri streets.

If realized, the highest building in Tallinn would again belong to the church as in the Middle Ages when St. Olai’s Church was Tallinn’s highest building.

http://www.balticbusinessnews.com/?PublicationId=40a73795-b784-4ce3-b40f-b5b2ac50f2b7&ref=rss

Early april's fool?

http://www.balticbusinessnews.com/?PublicationId=40a73795-b784-4ce3-b40f-b5b2ac50f2b7&ref=rss

Early april's fool?

I dont know, they do own a plot there.

http://www.balticbusinessnews.com/?PublicationId=40a73795-b784-4ce3-b40f-b5b2ac50f2b7&ref=rss

Early april's fool?

Eesti Päevaleht had more extensive article about it and they wrote that church wishes to built 32-storey skyscraper,but doesn't have project or even detail planning for Maakri street lot.

Anyway,news said that church has another 15-storey highrise is planned on Kentmanni street in Downtown and development projects are also planned in Kristiine district. As it isn't enough,church also plans to build shopping centre to Rapla town. :nuts:
I won't go to theological discussion about whether church should or shouldn't act as real estate developer,but it seems that religion is serious business :D I'm waiting for Lutheran church fast food chain or gas stations XD

^ hahaah, i know i'd by a lutheran burger :D

anyway, the 15-storey kentmanni development (merko in cooperation with eelk who will be maintaining only a few stories of the building) is back in business. construction hasn't resumed yet but the project (by indrek allmann's pluss) has been (or rather is being) reworked. i was told it's gonna be a cool thing, especially in terms of the building's relationship with the street.

So...is anyone willing to place bets on Sitsi skyscraper project? :D Don't forget,that first stage of 'Phoenix Land' project (F**k yeah! :banana: awesome name!) should start in this year :|

http://www.tallinn.ee/gal_pildid/26683.jpg

It's just so insane project that it has to be built...

Some new beauty pictures from Tartu mnt 50.

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/4113cf1b295703d18a0e794cd9245a12.400x300.png

http://www.ikodu.com/images/arendusprojektid/9f3eac28919119346b5a1704b0191388.400x300.png

Tehnika 37 is ready to use. Kulka architectural prize 2011 is still available.

http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/43/9/3/7/PICTURE_43937271.jpeg

http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/43/9/3/7/PICTURE_43937267.jpeg

looks almost as bad as expected :P

damn, toomas... just remembered! the photos i promised to send...