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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=288685

ALSO more info of the new big project near the railway station.... (which i mentioned on page 21)

Alot of new buildings, it may get 5 8storey buildings and lots of smaller ones. Investment somt 100 mio euros+ ... 600 new apartments etc
these are not the EXACT plans, if im correct these are "concept plans"
http://www.solness.ee/static/body/189.1.image.jpg

http://www.solness.ee/static/body/189.2.image.jpg


more INFO! :D
new buildings in the quarter total 140 000 sqm mainly apartments. Demolition of useless buildings on the plot on going, they are also building infrastructure already. total cost around 2 bio eek! :) First stage of this quarter will be ready by Spring 2007


EDIT EDIT LOL!

SORRY this is not the same project! But a project right next to this one!!!!!!
So 2 projects right next to each other, one is 1.5 bio eek other 2 bio eek!

wow. New thred without any replay at all and seen 15 000 times already. Not bad. Riga III thread is seen by barely 9000 poeple with all its 250 replies.

wow. New thred without any replay at all and seen 15 000 times already. Not bad. Riga III thread is seen by barely 9000 poeple with all its 250 replies.

The thread is not new, but split from the last one ;)

The thread is not new, but split from the last one ;)

Hmm when Riga III thread was split form the other ones the visitor count started from 0 again...

Hmm when Riga III thread was split form the other ones the visitor count started from 0 again...

There are two ways to split the new thread, so I might have used the other one :runaway:

new building UC near kadriorg park. This is a nice city building, such buildings make a city!
http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_1058253.jpeg
http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_1058251.jpeg
http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_1058255.jpeg
http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_1058256.jpeg
refresing to see that it will connect to another building in the future, streetscape is developing, lovely!

the lower portion faces a street that is mostly lined with such 4-5 storey buildings so it fits in well :) just across the road from it another new resi is uc, soon completed, have shown in here aswell sometime ago:
http://www.city24.ee/MEDIA/PICTURE/PICTURE_745110.jpeg

/\ch1le.... can you show me on the map where these buildings are

There are two ways to split the new thread, so I might have used the other one :runaway:

SO whats the point to have the thread viewing statistics if it not meaning anything...

http://www.noran.ee/dev/images/stories/kollane/kaart_kollan_final.jpg

btw the red plot shown here is tiny compared to the real buildings :)

BTW about the airport, indeed...they will start the reconstruction this year...

Glad to hear that, I wouldn`t have expected that construction already starts this year.

good...

Glad to hear that, I wouldn`t have expected that construction already starts this year.

i read it from Estonian-Airs magazine :)

tallinn going crazy:

Tartu mnt 15 will be uc in the beginning of 2006
And more news. right next to Tartu mnt 15 is this ugly soviet thingie... http://www.postimees.ee/051205/gfx/2442943937ca8a9f44_3.jpg
its RIGHT next to tartu mnt 15. The owners want to demolish it and build a 30storey building. Some whacky nimby organization has declared it under protection, it will go under evaluation to see if it has any value... if it doesnt it will go under the hammer...

But they are so close, that's almost impossible. Anyway, that would be cool. A pedestrian walkway overshadowed by scrapers.

SO whats the point to have the thread viewing statistics if it not meaning anything...

That's a good question :)

That building next to Tartu Mnt 15 does not look worth anything. Hope, it will be removed.

yep obstacle, they are damn close.. it would bo awesome to have another 2 100m+ buildings just 10m apart :D Just like Tornimäe! This street will be so awesome! :)
And i agree... that building is ugly and there are better examples of soviet architecture, seems like everything is under heritage protection in Tallinn right now... NONSENSE! I hope they demolish it quickly...

http://www.hirvesoo.ee/kodu/pl/tartumnt/tartumnt2.jpg

heres a little render ... the building mentioned is between these two highrises the white on is Tartu mnt 15 and the back one is on a empty plot on the same street just 20m away :) this will be a utterly cool wall :D

btw this street is now finished ;)

im afraid of bad results for the evaluation because it used to be a bank a while back (my dad says it used to be the sotsiaal pank- social bank ) but even my family that is usually all for protecting most of the buildings that are over 15 yrs old, ...well exept my dad... he couldnt care if a nuke fell on tallinn unless our house is damaged... , says that the building has no value what-so-ever [DAMN I HATE THOSE NIMBYS]

wtf. i think it's one of the nicest buildings built during the soviet occupation.

^^ I agree.

For a Soviet building it look unbelievably nice. But I´m not sure do I really care about future existence of this building.

it is far from nice! its a brown doo doo in the middle of the city. There are far nicer examples, even the brutalistic corbusier type building just next to it is far nicer. I really wont miss this monstrosity.... it has 0 windows... its just UGLY

i agree with ch1le it looks like god had material left from building other buildings and decided to crap them out and came up with that building

how mature :goodnight

and people go there to have a good time, what a contrast!!!

how mature :goodnight

no, but think about it... There are better examples of soviet architecture, and this one is kinda boring, unurban, architecturally not pleasing, its like some fortified ROCK in the middle of the city!

I GOT IT! :D
you don't like it.
but your cheap propaganda is totally pointless. i've thought about it, that's why i said what i said.
i like it, accept my opinion, for f's sake! :D

I do accept and even honor your opinion, Jarmo, although I don't share it.

There is a Soviet era building in the old Tallinn Development thread that I like & wouldn't want to see torn down ... but this one? You already have Linnehall. ;)

I second the Ch1le's opinion that the former Tourist shop, now Parliament nightclub should be torn down and something new and nice (hopefully 30+ stories) built instead. I remember when it was Soviet time, and the shop was open only for foreigners. Imported goods there, not available anywhere else in town, could be bought only for US dollars or Finnish marks. Ordinary people were prohibited to even have any foreign currency.
I was lucky that my relatives from US bought me a pair of stereo speakers from there :)) But why, why should free Estonia protect such a memory?!? We already have the Occupation Museum!

I think I'm with Jarmo on this one. Although not the most beautiful example of architecture, this building is certainly one of a kind.

But why, why should free Estonia protect such a memory?!? We already have the Occupation Museum!

The building is responsible for the occupation? :?

well Renx... to be honest, MOST buildings in Tallinn are one of a kind, everything is unique really... except commies!
So there...

to be xenophobic and nostalgic with this "ONLY" soviet building in Tallinn, LOL. How about the stalinistic building 200m from it, or the brutalistic building next to it... or the many stalinistic buildings next to Tedre/Kotka str, or the ones next to Pärnu mnt, or the one in Kopli, theres more then enough, and if it was aesthetically pleasing, pretty, and functional in its environment there would be no need nor justification to tear it down, but this is still ONE ugly piece of work

The building is responsible for the occupation? :?

Of course not, the building is not responsible for anything. But for me it serves as a kind of worst reminder of Soviet time, and I would prefer not to be reminded. The question is, should this building be worth of preservation and protection, so the future generations in Estonia could walk on the street and say: well, in the 20th century here was a famous foreign-currency-only shop. I think it's not worth it.

If it's just down to the question, do I like the building or not - then it's not in my top of ugliest buildings in Tallinn. At least it's quite tidy, we have other soviet-time buildings needing demolishing much quicker. Look what's right behind the Art College. But if I could choose between a new high-rise and the former Tourist shop, I have no regrets if it will go.

seriously, whats the time difference? Its 30 something years old? in 400 years people will laugh of the matter and make jokes how a 3 storey building almost stopped the construction of such a great big structure. You got to think in the future, Oleviste was also prolly built in the expense of several wooden buildings... which would you prefer now.... 5-6 wooden buildings or St.Olaf?
Right!

oh, you guys misunderstand me. I never stated that this is the only Soviet building in Tallinn. And I think you know I'm not that stupid, btw.;) However, it is certainly different from others and it should be evaluated (as it's being done now) before mindlessy tearing it down. Maybe there is a way to incorporate this building into a new and higher one. The one building on the other side of the Tartu Rd. is a good example of such fusion between old and new.
And about it being ugly or beautiful... you know there's the saying "beauty is in the eyes of the beholder." I don't think this building is particulary pleasing to the eye either but I also think that I am not the person to judge this.

@Enoch Root: Of course, I don't think anyone wants to be reminded of the Soviet occupation (well, maybe except for the Red Army veterans ;)) and I certainly don't need to be reminded that there used to be a foreign-currency shop in that building but I thought we were in a forum about architecture. A building can be used in many ways, so to condemn it for having been a symbol of the occupation is certainly not the way to go.

well i understood you perfectly Renx :D I just added what i think of the reasons why it was taken under evaluation.

I would also like that it would be incorporated into the new building, but that is impossible... you see skyscrapers require piles that run into the baserock, they cant drive these piles through the building, they could however, conserve the outer facade... but LOL... can you imagine this facade on a modern skyscraper... its the most unurban thing one can imagine for a ground floor facade!!! :D

Hey, I've got a great idea: why don't we build a 100+ meter skyscraper that would like like a larger version of this building? Just imagine, brown bricks, no windows whatsoever...

are you serious? That would be the ugliest thing ever created by man

omg

are you serious? That would be the ugliest thing ever created by man

What do you think?:laugh: Of course I wasn't being serious. Building something like this would be architectural masochism.
But you must awknowledge that it would at least be original. :)

@Renx well... you proved that everything original by far doesnt agree to stay!

@Renx well... you proved that everything original by far doesnt agree to stay!

I've tried to figure out what you meant by that for the last few hours... Didn't come up with anything though :D. Care to elaborate?

uh well... forget it :D:D

Anyway

From a secret map... i counted 21 approved highrise plots in Tallinn (excluding the most well known plots in Maakri area)
care for a breakdown of it?
ÕISMÄE:
2x 12 F
10x 16 F
MUSTAMÄE
1x 12 F
KESKLINN (centre)
2x12F
3x15F
1x16F
1x30F (juhkentali highrise, kinda wellknown)
Lasnamäe
1x20F

ÕISMÄE:
2x 12 F
10x 16 F


Hell, I hope you're trying to scare me or something. :D
You can't just come and build 12! new highrises here; frankly, I just don't see the place for them. Okay, there are some places where new buildings could be built but that would seriously mess up the current environment. And I'm not even talking about parking places, there aren't enough of them now and if they're going to build 12 more highrises then I really don't see where they're gonna put all the cars.

What is the timeplan for all those buildings???...And why can't u find parking spaces, estonia's area is 45 000 sq km...I am sure there is enough space!!!

Renx i was also surprised, know where they are designated? those 16 floorers, whole ten of them... know the two towers near Rocca al mare, quite new ones... well... next to those... anticipate 10 16floorers and one of those 12floorers! Theres 1 also planned near the lake just a bit to the west from the haabersti roundabout...!
Renx btw.. all new buildings more then 6floors usually build underground parking!
Heres the map gents: 16megs of Tallinn and highrises... its not the newest of maps.... so have a read....
clicky for map 16mb download (http://tsapa.ekk.ee/down.php?id=556)

so Renx, because they are all mostly planned in a totally new area of Õismäe they wont disturb the delicant structure of the Õismäe you mean :)

frankly im not THAT interested in these towers, still waiting for the more detailed plan for Maakri area... and also the "ehitusmäärus" for the Centre.

another thing about this plan.... it designates 14 areas for possible new highrise use!

Haa, you should have told "Haabersti", not "Õismäe" then :D. In this case, I think it's a good idea, because there is a lot of unused land.
I was thinking they will be built around that one:
http://www.delfi.ee/archive/article.php?id=11678027&categoryID=121&ndate=1132869600

@Renx trooooo :) I think that area (haabersti) really deserves those.. will be so awesome! Such a bunch of highrises together will be really cool!

Hay guys can u give me the translation to the key, plz!!!...Really interesting map, I don't know what the red dots and pink dots actually mean though. Help plz!!!

Amazing map! But i still can't imagine that Tallinn needs that much space, at least office space!

@Christian most is residential. And we need alot of residential space as Commies are getting unpopular and sprawl is kinda too sprawled out :D. Another thing is office space... we need millions, ofcourse... nearly a million squares will come from the harbour area... and about 1.5mio sqm or so total of residential space will also be built in the harbour area :)

Ill try to give you the key in a nutshell:
RED dot high existing building (16+ floors)
pink dot building remarkably higher then surrounding area (13+Floors)
Numbers in black mean existing buildings floor number
Purple or pinkish numbers mean plot with this much floors allowed. Note that some are outdate i.e Osten Tor, Fahle and Maakri areas, and also Liivalaia!

That is a cool map, but somewhat old? As I can understand the Osten Tor place is still proposed? Anyway, thanks. Got a nicer overview.

edit, got the answer already

So what is the red dot stand for near the ulemiste roundabout, there is no high buildings there! To be more precies what does "Voimalikud korghoonete asukohad"?

"Possible sites for highrise construction".

Thanks for the map Ch1le, it's interesting.

1000 new apartments in the Loopealse development area next to Lasnamäe. 600 of those will be municipal apartments.
building and developer will be Skanska and the city of Tallinn
heres the area:
http://www.tallinn.ee/est/g2492s23048

It`s good that this empty area gets some buildings. And there are plenty of room in Lasnamäe to build new buildings.

/\ the whole are will get covered with buildings eventually... hopefully... they will plan the districts nicely!

hehehe i had a loooooong walk yesterday at ~5am from the center to home... :D


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/foto07_loopealse.jpg

^about 1,5km more to the left and i'm in my bed! :D

/\jarmo .... looks like you had one hell of a party last night:P:D

finally some news!

After months and months of redesigns and rethinks the Ahtri SPA got its approval.
This building will be huge -53 000sqm, and will have alot of importance in the harbour area as it will fill an entire block. The investment is 1 bio eek - 65 mio euro. Dont have many renders yet, but it has been designed so it feels like several buildings and isnt monotonous at all... It will house a 360 room hotel a spa and a waterpark, lots and lots of cafes, restaurants and business spaces. The waterpark will be bigger then the one in Jurmala.... infact it will be the biggest waterpark in the nordic countries

still got just 1 pic... but its new... the building is on the left... its the whole enchilada
http://www.postimees.ee/070106/gfx/2603843bd9b554ceda.jpg

they will start c learing the plot in the middle of January, the entire thing ought to be ready by summer 2008

This IS news, ch1le! :okay:

I hope you don't mind me asking, but for where exactly is this project slated? Somewhere in Rotermanni, or further up in the harbor area, sort of where the hotel is where Jarmo worked last summer? I know there's oodles of space to build there.

Now to the phrase it has been designed so it feels like several buildings and isnt monotonous at all. That's a bunch of laudable intentions, but will they really follow through?

And why are all the buildings flat-tops? :bash:

its right across the road from Rotermanni quarter:
heres the map...
Red is the new building.
Black is rotermanny quarter
Yellow is a hotel thats already uc on the plot next to it(will connect directly with the new building)
and the Green is the "view" of the render above
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7253/map0fw.jpg

The investment is 1 bio eek - 650 mio euro.

You ment 65 mio euros ;)
It seems that the building looks really better now :okay:

/\ thanks :D I did mean 65! :) Though, the entire area(harbour area) will definitely need more then even 650 mio euros! :D

wow, what a crappy-looking building!!!

yay! :(

It's not THAT bad!

jarmo, how can you call it crappy looking... it looks like several buildings, acts like several buildings its GREAT, and the facade is not monotonous, look at the glassy part for example, it will have a print of surfer - how often do you see something like that. IMO its a great building!

The waterpark will be bigger then the one in Jurmala.... infact it will be the biggest waterpark in the nordic countries
Being bigger than Jurmala waterpark automatically makes it the biggest in Nordic countries ;)
I would not say that I like this architecture - just a bunch of cubes sticked together. But it is not bad either

As Gatis, I don't think it's that bad, but I wouldn't say I like it. After it's completed it will be "quite ok", but after twenty years it will not get any attention at all, I predict. Nothing that could attract from decade to another.

yeah indeed, but what could architects come up with if they are presented with the conditions they got: 50 000+ sqm, single building, facades at all sides!
Though its not perfect(there isnt a perfect in the architectural world anyway) its certainly nothing to be ashamed of :)

but what could architects come up with if they are presented with the conditions they got: 50 000+ sqm, single building, facades at all sides!

That's true. Architects shouldn't be blamed only. But I wonder why didn't they utilize the allready existing old "carpet paradise's" facades? I know many cases where run-down industrial area have been turned into a shiny modern area but utilizing some old brick facades - of course everything else have been destroyed or cleaned up. It has turned out succesfully everywhere, in Tallinn's harbour area as well. Just look at the old industrial magazines at Mere Puiestee. ;)

Jape, its not used because its not nice brick or anything,nor is it old.. its just a concrete box, plus its shape on the plot makes it hard to utilize it! :)

Jape, its not used because its not nice brick or anything,nor is it old.. its just a concrete box, plus its shape on the plot makes it hard to utilize it! :)

I digged some photos of it, and yes you are right, it's just a concrete box. I mixed up with some other old brick buildings.

look at the glassy part for example, it will have a print of surfer - how often do you see something like that.

WOW!!! a surfer! :D
indeed, surfers in estonia are rare. he'll be the first hahaha.



anyway. it's a crappy building. it's so boringboringboring. i think this location is too good for such a building that will never get any attention. i miss the old times - when architecture was art.

oh well.

/\ its not important that its SURFER, its just the idea and the technique.
would you have preferred it to be like Norde Centrum?

What a boom of "the biggest" waterparks in Baltic states. :D
Waterpark in Vilnius will be bigger than waterpark in Jurmala by 2000 m^2. Waterpark in Druskininkai will be bigger than waterpark in Vilnius. And in some articles it is said that waterpark in Druskininkai will be the biggest in Europe.

I think that all those "biggest", "best" are used for advertisement purposes and now it's really hard to say where is the truth.

@ch1le: thanks for the map & marking it up so nicely with explanations! :hug:

I'm happy to see the old crappy "Vaibaparadiis" (Carpet Paradise) building go and something new to be built instead. If it looks like on the picture, it will be not bad at all.

http://www.postimees.ee/070106/gfx/2603843bd9b554ceda.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/PICT1482.jpg


^the cute little orthodox church (built in 1870's if i remember correctly) will be nicely surrounded by modern (baah, boring) architecture. actually there's a small red-brick residential building as well, from the end of the 19th century, right behind the church. hopefully it'll stay as well.

but still - the developing harbour area deserves much better than this boring building... i think it needs to be more extravagant, to fit in with the 4 new rotermanni + admirali and lootsi buildings which are across the road, among other nice glassy buildings in the area:

(don't know its name)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/26OH.jpg

admirali maja
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/28admirali.jpg

wtc tallinn
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/29wtc.jpg

lootsi maja
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Liitium/022lootsimaja.jpg

city can approve a plan in Lasnamäe on tomorrows meeting:

THe plan is for a 3.9 ha area, 1 16storey hotel and 1 16 storey apartment building, a entertainment centre and a 5 storey parkinghouse/shopping centre



Also they might approve a plan for a 10 storey office/business building in Mustamäe

EXELLENT!
Tallinn has approved this area:
http://www.tallinnlv.ee/lvistung/bin/docview1.asp?docid=48237&UK=66158C9B70A2B9E6A5330E426CB2
SUPERB!
Its right next to Rotermanni (it is rotermanni) and the new buildings that are UC, this area looks like CRAP right now, awesome that they will remake it all :)


http://www.tallinnlv.ee/lvistung/bin/docview1.asp?docid=48236&UK=66158C9B70A2B9E6A5330E426CB2

Estonians: READ

Mere pst, Ahtri tn ja Hobujaama tn 9 vahelise kvartaliosa detailplaneeringu
kehtestamine Kesklinnas



Kohaliku omavalitsuse korralduse seaduse § 22 lg 1 p 33, Planeerimisseaduse § 23 lg 6 ja § 24 lg 3, Tallinna Linnavolikogu 29. mai 2003 määrusega nr 35 kinnitatud Tallinna linna ehitusmääruse § 19 lg 1, lg 2 p 1, lg 3, lg 5 alusel, kooskõlas Tallinna Linnavolikogu 11. jaanuari 2001 määrusega nr 3 kehtestatud Tallinna üldplaneeringuga ja arvestades nii otsusele lisatud seletuskirjas esitatud kui ka järgmiste põhimotiivide ja kaalutlustega:
- Tallinna üldplaneering määrab planeeritud maa-ala kesklinna segahoonestusalaks. Osaliselt jääb planeeritud maa-ala Rävala puiesteelt Linnahallini kavandatud jalakäijate tsooni. Detailplaneeringu alale on määratud üldplaneeringule vastav sihtotstarve.
- Planeeritud maa-ala asub Kesklinnas Rotermanni kvartalis, Tallinna vanalinna muinsuskaitseala kaitsevööndis, vanalinna vaadeldavuse tsoonis Mere pst ja Ahtri tn vahelisel alal. Muinsuskaitseobjektide säilivus ja vaadeldavus on planeeringuga määratavas ulatuses tagatud.
- Mere pst 6, 6a, 6e, 8 ja 8a paiknevad endise piiritusevabriku administratiivhoone ja rektifikatsioonihoone fassaadid ning piiritusevabriku suur ja väike telliskorsten on tunnistatud arhitektuurimälestisteks, mistõttu peale- ja juurdeehitused hoonetele ei ole lubatud ning rekonstrueerimisel tuleb lähtuda arhitektuuriajaloolistest tingimustest. Arhitektuuriajaloolistest tingimustest tulenevate piirangutega on arvestatud.
- Planeeringus on arvestatud vajadusega luua jalakäijatele mõeldud mitmekesine, atraktiivne ja avalik linnaruum - jalakäijate tänav, mille ääres asuvad teenindus- ja äriettevõtted. Tagatud on muinsuskaitse aluste objektide säilimine ja vaadeldavus ning saavutatud piirkonnale terviklik ilme ja asukohale sobiv linnaruumiline lahendus. Hoonestuse lubatud maksimaalne kõrgus ei ületa 24 m. Kvartali hoonestuse maht on selge ja heades proportsioonides, rahustamaks kvartali sisemuses säilinud ajalooliste hoonete paigutuse juhuslikkust.
- Hotellide renoveerimine ja uue hotelli ehitamine ei muuda märkimisväärselt planeeritud alal paiknevate hoonete seoseid ümbritsevate aladega. Kavandatud hoonete maht on linnaruumiliselt piirkonda sobiv. Välisviimistluses on ette nähtud kasutada kvaliteetseid ja väärikaid materjale: looduslikku kivi, betooni, klaasi, terast, välditud on imiteerivate materjalide kasutamist.
- Ahtri tn 4 hotelli kavandatud aatriumi pind on vähemalt 10% tüüpkorruse pinnast ja soovitavalt peab aatrium asuma hoone keskel. Aatrium on kavas katta pealt klaaskatusega ja valgustada dekoratiivselt. Mere pst 6a ja 6b hoonete vaheliste galeriide kujundamise tingimuseks on määratud kergus ja õhulisus rohkete klaaspindadega, alt läbipääsetav ja mitte kõrgem kui üks korrus, et mitte mõjuda tänava pikisuunas liikujaile takistusena ja vaateid sulgevana.
- Parkimiskohtade planeerimisel on lähtutud Eesti Standardi EVS 843:2003 Linnatänavad linnakeskuse normist, mida rakendatakse piirkonnas suurima lubatud väärtusena, et ühistranspordiga hästi varustatud linnakeskuse tänavaid mitte üle koormata. Kvartalis tervikuna ei ületa planeeritud parkimiskohtade arv normi.
- Planeeritaval maa-alal asuvatel kruntidel kasvavad 7 puud säilitatakse ning juurde rajatakse madal- ning konteinerhaljastust, parandamaks kinnistute üldilmet ja mikrokliimat kui ka tõkestamaks tänavalt levivat liiklusmüra ja õhusaastet.
- Planeeritud jalakäijate tänava väljaehitamine üldplaneeringuga kavandatud ulatuses on väga oluline Rotermanni kvartali ja sadamaala integreerimiseks väljakujunenud linnakeskusega. Maailma kogemus on näidanud, et atraktiivseks ehitatud, heakorrastatud ja väikevormidega varustatud jalakäijate tänav toob tänavaäärsetesse äri- ja teenindusettevõtetesse klientuuri juurde ja lisab piirkonnale turvalisust.
- Detailplaneeringu avaliku väljapaneku ajal esitatud vastuväited on osaliselt rahuldatud. Ahtri tn, Mere pst ja Roseni tn poolsed hoonestusala piirid on määratud olemasolevate hoonete suunalistena, mahendavad praegust kaootilist hoonete paigutust ning loovad Tallinna kesklinnas hinnatud ajalooliselt kujunenud perimetraalse hoonestusega kvartalitele lähedase
miljöö. Jalakäijate tasapinnas avaruse loomiseks on Ahtri tn 4 hoone esimesed korrused planeeritud Ahtri tn ja Roseni tn poolt tugeva tagasiastega. Visuaalse mahu vähendamiseks on tagasiasted ka viimasel korrusel. Mere pst 8b hotelli põhjapoolsetes ruumides piisava loomuliku valgustuse tagamiseks tehti planeeringusse täpsustus ja Ahtri tn 4 hoone arhitektuursele lahendusele määrati nõue, et Mere pst 8b poolsed välisseinad tuleb viimistleda valgustpeegeldavates toonides materjalidega. Krundil liiklemise tingimuste parandamiseks tehti planeeringusse muudatus ja Ahtri tn 4 krundile ettenähtud hoonestusala vähendati.
- Pärast detailplaneeringu avaliku väljapaneku tulemusi tutvustavat arutelu tehti detailplaneeringusse täiendavaid muudatusi. Mere pst 6a hoonestusala muudeti nii, et oleks võimalik krunti hoonestada kinnisel hoonestusviisil. Mere pst 6a krundi osas suurendati omaniku palvel elamumaa sihtotstarbe osakaalu. Elamispinna lisandumine on positiivne, sest suurendab piirkonna ööpäevaringset kasutamist ja turvalisust. Elamispinna osatähtsuse suurendamisele vastukaaluks ja avalikult kasutatava jalakäijate tänava laiendamiseks määrati Mere pst 6a kavandatud hoone kahe esimese korruse ehitusjoon samale joonele hotelli Metropol Roseni tn poolse fassaadiga. Hoonestusest vabaks jäävale alale Roseni tn ääres kavandati välikohvik. Mere pst 6a hoonestusala muutmisega tekkis võimalus täiendavaks jalakäijate pääsuks Mere puiesteelt Roseni tänavale. Mere pst 6a ehitusjoonte muutmisega laieneb avalikult kasutatav jalakäijate tänav ja paranevad vaated Viru Keskuse suunas. Mere pst 6a kavandatud hoonestusala asukoha muutmine lõi võimaluse muuta ka planeeritud hoone maa-alusele korrusele kavandatud parkla sissesõidu asukohta nii, et pääsu saaks rajada krundilt, jättes täiendavalt koormamata Mere pst 6 kinnistut. Pärast detailplaneeringu Harju maavanemale järelevalveks esitamist muudeti täiendavate läbirääkimiste käigus konsoolse hooneosa hoonestusala piiri nii, et hoone maht moodustab sama suure pöördenurga Mere pst 8b hotelli fassaadiga, kui seda on nurk Ahtri tn 4 kavandatud hoonega, mis veelgi parandab vaateid Roseni tänavalt Viru Keskuse suunas.

heres some preliminary renders i found some time ago, but couldnt place them anywhere (i guessed correctly though) This one is for the empty lot thats between the New rotermanni quarter buildings and the buildings thats at Mere ave.
http://www.arh.ee/est/proj/tln/pic/prpic/364s.gif
http://www.arh.ee/est/proj/tln/pic/prpic/363s.gif
http://www.arh.ee/est/proj/tln/pic/prpic/367s.gif
from AB Kalle Rõõmus

WoW! A wall! :D

/\ its a work in progress

hahaa i guess my taste is too good for stuff like that.

seems like these buildings are now UC, this area will turn into a city centre like area once, atm its got quite a few wooden buildings, which will get annihilated :), dont worry though, theres a area there across the street that is under protection ;)
http://www.aakv.ee/hernemagasini/pdf/vis/2011855437.jpg
http://www.aakv.ee/hernemagasini/pdf/vis/7108886300.jpg


and also

AHTRI SPA area now fenced

Yep not bad, hope it will fit in wit surroundings!

/\ fit? atm, hell no, in the future, ofcourse!

that's why i said "hope"!!!

wow!!! now that's a COOOOL building!! finally something beautiful! hahaha!

I like it too. Looks somehow a bit functionalistic a la 1930's ("Neo-Functionalism" or something?). Am I the only one with this opinion?

^nope, you're right. it does look kinda funky.

No jape you are not the only one, thats the reason why it caught my eye :)

Holy Cow!

This will be one mega project, if realized : :cheers:


• Fun Slope mountain skiing hall 20 000 m²

• Tropical water park 10 000 m²

• Sports centre and casino 4 300 m²

• Tivoli – amusement park 13 000 m²

• Cinema Palace multiplex 5 500 m²

• Conference centre and offices 7 500 m²

• Bowling-centre 3 500 m²

2) Trade

• Domestic and furnishing goods 40 000 m²

• Shopping centre 20 000 m²

• Hypermarket 10 000 m²

• Catering square 7 000 m²

3) Hotels (*** hotel and an apartment hotel) 14 300 m²

4) Lasnamäe centre and commercial services 7 500 m²

5) Parking lot (4800 places) 138 000 m²

The entire Tallink City (without the parking lot) 162 600 m²

http://www.4vu.net/view/personal-41b8d2805f.jpg
http://www.4vu.net/view/personal-a2d6c3034a.jpg
http://www.4vu.net/view/personal-2a495df445.jpg
http://www.4vu.net/view/personal-c5505d9ae8.jpg
http://www.4vu.net/view/personal-f551482277.jpg

And here's the press release:

Investment Company Infortar Establishes the 4-5 billion Kroon Tallink City into Tallinn

January 20, 2006

AS Infortar establishes the Tallink City entertainment centre into Tallinn which will be located on 12 hectares, in Punane street, in the district of Lasnamäe. The area of Tallink City will include 162 600 m² without the parking lot, the year of completion is 2010.

A mountain skiing hall and a skiing tunnel will be included in Tallink City among other things and both of these can also be used in summer. The total cost of the project is 4–5 billion kroons.

"To Estonia, Tallink City means a major investment based on Estonian capital and targeted for the future and it should be valued very highly in the modern business environment,” said the minister of economic affairs and communications Edgar Savisaar. „Tallink City gives Tallinn the chance to compete with the region’s influential capitals more successfully. Even at the present moment, our old town is more fascinating than Helsinki – now it’s
time to turn the new city like that as well. I hope that Tallink City will become the new attraction centre of the Nordic countries.”

„Tallinn needs new attractions in order to allure new tourists,” said the mayor of Tallinn Jüri Ratas. „The main problem of the Estonian tourism is the lack of overnight tourists. More than half of the 3.75 million foreign guests who visit
Tallinn do not spend the night but go back on the same day. Tallink City is certainly one important opportunity thanks to which part of the two million tourists not spending a night, would stay after all, and thus, would leave more money in Tallinn and Estonia.”

Lasnamäe city district elder Kalle Klandorf notes that the construction of an entertainment complex which is unique in the North-Europe is a big event for Lasnamäe. „Lasnamäe needs new jobs which is not unimportant at all from the point of view of the district,” explained Kalle Klandorf. „Even at the present moment, there is a big body of consumers for the Tallink City entertainment complex in Lasnamäe which has more than 100 000 residents. We also appreciate the plan to put the project into practice in active cooperation with the local government, following the principle of Public Private Partnership i.e. PPP. Therefore, we can see that Tallink City will be useful to Lasnamäe in several direct ways.”

„Saying figuratively, I believe that Tallink City will become the new symbol of Tallinn – as the Eiffel tower in Paris and London Eye in London” explained the chairman of AS Infortar Ain Hanschmidt. „Tallink City is a unique sports and entertainment complex in the entire North-Europe. There are only a dozen similar mountain skiing halls in the world and the nearest one is in Düsseldorf. Tallink City is a unique ensemble of different entertainment and spare time opportunities.”

„Tallinn needs more tourist magnets,” says Ain Hanschmidt. „Infortar develops new hotels energetically but there aren’t enough attactive opportunities of spending spare time in Tallinn. In a yearly run, Tallink City additionally brings
one million overnight tourists to Tallinn from our neighbour countries and also further. As a sports and entertainment complex, Tallink City is the biggest gift to the residents of Tallinn and above all, to the residents of Lasnamäe where there is no similar complex today.”

AS Infortar is an investment company. Infortar is the initial shareholder of the international shipping enterprise Tallink ( http://www.tallink.ee/ ). Tallink provides service for more than 3 million travellers in a year. The basic operating areas of the enterprise are shipping, hotel management, and real estate development.

wtf :eek:

Tallinn is not Dubai, but it seems they're going that way.

Hhaha!

YAY MORE TOURISTS!!!

fuck.

i'm gonna have to move to riga.

The "T" highrise suck a lot and 5 bio krones seems to be a bit too little for project of this extent (hopely the quality won't suffer for that), but it will promote Tallinn for sure :yes:

Well, I don't know what to think of this project but something makes me believe it might be a ruse to drive away attention from the company's problems. Tallink went to the stock market lately and it hasn't been doing as well as was expected. Maybe I'm just paranoid but this project seems a bit too big, too risky and too costly for Tallinn. Tallink has ordered a bunch of new ships lately and is also planning to build new hotels(?). And now this? Where's the money coming from?

I am guessing this is private funding, so the government won't mind this type of project...I don't think it could be realized by the end of this decade and it doesn't sound that cheap to me 5 billion kroons is something like over 400mln euro!!! Isn't it???
I like it's style though, very ambitious from my point of view!

Sorry, but the looks of the project are not good. Btw. better idea would be making highrises forming a name TALLINN (WITH TWO LL!) At least that would make Tallinn famous.
But if they propose only concept which later gets elaborated - then it is really interesting idea. Whatever - this is very very interesting announcement

huge project, cant wait to see more details

@Renx, doubt it, they dont give a crap edge about that, they got their 3 bio + from IPO, further changes in the stock exchange wont matter anyway, the company is very strong, just the investors (who came up in the thousands) are unexperienced newbies in stock business!

@Gatis its certainly in a very preliminary stage

Copying "K"? :|
Hughe project :okay:

/\ indeed, were having huge projects now :)

also, a 24 floorer (80m) highrise will mby get approval next wednesday, but some architects are against it - they want to make a plan for the entire Maakri area to set a better standard, skyline, placing etc.well see

the 24 floorer is between Maakri building and Radisson (and about 100m away from it is Tornimäe)

Another thing. The plot of the future Ahtri SPA has been fenced and the demolition of the building on the plot has started, the demo will take 2 months. This is a humongous project, the largest building in Tallinn. Investement around 2 bio eek!

the tallink city project looks horrible i hope that never gets built. what are those hose things going around it? walkways? ski tunnels?? i cant tell.

/\ they are ski tunnels!


The 24 floor, 80m highrise at Maakri got approval!

The 24 floor, 80m highrise at Maakri got approval!


Can we see some drawings or rend´s of it ?

/\ there are no renders online, that i know of atleast, but ill surely visit the "public hearing" of the project, there are bound to be renders there

/\ i hope you´ll don´t forget the camera ;)

http://static.epl.ee/g/pics/2006/01/25/picAnztFL.jpg

the location of the new tower: on the streetfront in the foreground, see that black building?
Also note Tornimäe :)

Tallinn getting impressive skyline...

/\ wait til you see this!

Just a 3d model showing this new tower (coloured orange here):D
Also the yellow thing is a planned 30 storey tower, the green behind Orange (this new 24 storey approved tower) is Maakri building. THe two twins are ofcourse the tornimäe twins, you can surely recoqnize Union there, and the green in the foreground is Radisson :)
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2700/img0019ik.jpg

Looks eeehh.... promising :D

Those planned high-rises in Maakri district could and should be even higher. The St. Olaf church "rule" (123 m max) really gets annoying now. This means, that most new high-rises are about similar height, and nothing stands out. Booooooring! 80m IMHO is not even worth a "skyscraper" label, although I have seen Estonian media calling even 8-storey building that name.

Also I wonder why the Tartu mnt 15 highrise is not UC yet... I've heard some NIMBY activists in neighboring buildings want to prevent it. :bash:

Hoping for the best.

Just a 3d model showing this new tower (coloured orange here):D
Also the yellow thing is a planned 30 storey tower, the green behind Orange (this new 24 storey approved tower) is Maakri building. THe two twins are ofcourse the tornimäe twins, you can surely recoqnize Union there, and the green in the foreground is Radisson :)

There are not exact models on that rendering.
Hotel tower of Tornimäe complex is of same high like the residence one, and also some interesting semicircular element on top of this :)

But yellow building, yes - it does really interest me
How apropos it ?
What firm does deal with its development ?

/\actually Tornimäe seems like a very detailed version, though the colours are off, that same render actually now gives us impression of its height: both seem 117m or so, plus the towers will actually have more floors, since they seem not to include the semicircular floors! The one of the hotel tower seems to have atleast 2 floors, and thats where the restaurant will be!
The other ones - the orange and the yellow are not accurate, they show approx height and "Mass" colours, floors, etc is not detailed

Great...another "triangle" inside the city centre!!!

an update on the Ulemiste Airport: when I was leaving Tallinn on 4th january, they already started putting the fence around the lift and the bar...so probably the construction has already started...funny thing actually happened, I was in the airport on 03.01.2006 in the morning and nothing was fenced off, but the next day they already put a fence!!!

because Estonia got into the same GROUP as England, and were playing these stars, the football association and the state are considering building an extra tier on Lilleküla stadium... increasing capacity to 14 000! EXELLENT!

Location: 10/12 Paldiski mnt, Tallinn
Building Area: 8,441m2

7 floor apartment building with 68 apartments, 78 underground parking spaces. Apartment area: 80%. Commercial area: 20%. Construction to begin Spring 2006 for completion in Spring 2007.

The building is on a large plot in a prime location, only 200 metres from the park surrounding the Old Town and Toompea Castle wall. The Meriton Grand hotel and the Uniquestay hotel are only metres away. The location is very central, within easy walking distance to the Old Town and Freedom Square. It has good road and public transport links, and the Kristiine Shopping centre is close by. The Meriton hotel will open a new luxury spa centre at the same time as the Paldiski apartment building is finished.

The apartments will appeal to middle class Estonians and foreign investors who want to be near the Old Town but who need secure parking and concierge services.
http://broadgatedevelopment.com/images/paldiski_normal.jpg

Looks good. I think Baltic cities desperatly need more of those smaller modern projects.

/\ indeed i love these projects as they are the stuff that really makes a city, lots small projects create better streetfront, its more lively, more diverse, better.

seems like... there will be a race between two highrises in Tallinn soon, both of their plots are "connected" to each other, so having 2 highrises pretty much next to each other would be weird, so they are trying to get there first.
Both are in maakri district, Maakri 28 - 30 plot is currently approved, and the plot next to it approved also (iirc) and it now seems that the latter is demolishing the wooden buildings on the site.

The maakri 28-30 building is currently also on show in the city hall, i will visit it and take pics when i get back from London :)

This morning I went by these old wooden buildings on Maakri street, and demolition was going on actively :-) yippeee

wow...

haven't been there for ages... should go and have a look...

ch1le - don't you wanna use your kick-ass camera to take some shots of developing tallinn? :D
(muide, jõe tänava parkimismaja... AH! oled ikka näind, ma loodan)

Happy you - you get highrises approved and after some weeks - months the things start happening. While here... a lot is approved but nothing much happens :*(

Has somebody more idea about this project for Tallinn? From www.metro.ee :
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2825/lauteri0ah.jpg

By the looks of it, it's in the planning and designing stage at the moment!!! I think that's an excellent location for such high buildings...hasn't it already been approved or something...?

1 word Gatis... HOLY SHIT!

^^ I see you have problems with counting :D

1 word Gatis... HOLY SHIT!
That's two words and I think you couldn't describe the feelings even with a 1000 words. That is really insane. They look about the same height as Maakri maja?

Had no idea about this project. Seems to be the EBS (Estonian Business School) at front. Hope this project goes forward.

haha :P I meant to say 1 thought or sentence :D

THey seem taller than Maakri maja, id say they are about as tall as Radisson:
http://www.metro.ee/pilt.php?1406
http://www.metro.ee/pilt.php?1407

and they seem to be placed on EBS's parking lot

Has somebody more idea about this project for Tallinn? From www.metro.ee :


And what about this projekt for Riga Gatis ? From http://www.metro.ee/index.php?id=1296&c_tpl=1009

Their top design reminds me of this london skyscraper:

http://www.londonconsortium.com/images/londonskyline.jpg
Especially that rite one...

remember tartu mnt 17 i was talking about earlyer, the brown soviet building on which developers plan to build a tower. Well, city still hasnt taken a position whether to keep it or demolish it, but the thing im typing this is that the developers want to build a upto 44 storey tower!

hey.

some pics:

www.fahle.ee
fahle house, project by KOKO architects
http://www.fahle.ee/gfx/19_4_2.jpg

the 'omg' view
http://www.fahle.ee/gfx/19_1.jpg

and the view from the other side: lake ülemiste
http://www.fahle.ee/gfx/ylemiste.jpg

tallinn synagogue, again by KOKO architects
http://www.koko.ee/images/012_01_synagogue_a.jpg

http://www.koko.ee/images/012_02_synagogue_a.jpg

http://www.koko.ee/images/012_03_synagogue_a.jpg

and what made me make this post, the interior pics of the synagogue:
http://www.koko.ee/images/013_01_synagogue.jpg

http://www.koko.ee/images/013_02_synagogue.jpg

http://www.koko.ee/images/013_03_synagogue.jpg



both buildings will be ready this year.
i love them both (:

Small masterplan render of Ülemiste city!
I LIKE!
http://www.arcovara.ee/ylemistecity/ylemistecity.jpg

really cool! but hopefully in reality these buildings won't look all the same (:

Eh...yo ppl are all Tallinn projects suspended or something...no updates?

lots of news and stuff but no renders so i have been damn lazy! :D

but fine ill do some...
New apartment house (u know the ones that make the downtown, infillers nice facades etc... UC at New-Tatari str (this area has lots of potential, did a small tour of the area some time ago)
45 apartments
http://www.koger.ee/uustatari/upload/pictures/taust.jpg

http://www.postimees.ee/foto/9/6/33169443c33a8e013b.jpg

detail planning of Maakri 28/30 24storey building stopped (second from the right)... they say they cant approve the planning before a concept plan for the entire maakri area is ready.... wont take too long i guess...

What is Maakri 19/21?
Impressive cluster!

thats another planned highrise

thats another planned highrise

Oskad sa öelda kes tegeleb Maakri 19/21 eskiisprojektiga ?
Tähendab - kes on telja (mis kinnisvara...)
Ja kes on projekteerja (R-konsult ?, või...)

Possible new highrise near Fahle - this area will be developed into midrise area - several 15 etc stories high buildings, impact on the big picture is quite big, since the ground there is 40m over the sea level. So these buildings are visible in most places.
FAHLE on the left.
http://www.nordprojekt.ee/public/reference/400x400/2_siku.jpg
new possible highrise on the right:
http://www.nordprojekt.ee/public/reference/400x400/3_siku.jpg
http://www.nordprojekt.ee/public/reference/400x400/4_siku.jpg

And the I shall call it "The Gate". Ok, just making a joke, although it would aim/give a nice view to the main cluster in downtown. The appearance of the new building is to say, fine. Still, I'd like to see something better coming out from that specific project. Uuh, and there are no renders or sketches about the new bulding next to Postimaja? Goddamn, they'r already digging a hole.

Thats the final design?? It`s the ugliest building from Tallinn i have ever seen :runaway:

The fahle look pretty nice :okay:

@Shumi, no thats not the final design, actually its a render of a entry for the competition, dont know which won :) Its not too pretty, but its okay :P

@Obstacle. Indeed, will create a nice gate, question is... gate to where? atm Tartu road looks like shiat! Entering city - entering 1960s soviet city - entering city :) And indeed, still no renders of that Merko development next to POstimaja!

btw obstacle. have you noticed what they are putting on Tornimäe right now? SOME GOD DAMN SKYBLUE GLASS!? WTF IS THAT! IM FREAKING OUT! ill go suicide bomb Glaskek!

I agree with Shumi - damn ugly. Sorry, this is not jealousy. Those people who designed it, have just plain bad taste. If you build something like this, this could be last highrise in Tallinn, public will bring down any further plans to build more.

well thank god than this is just ONE of the entrys :)
the people who designed it are also architects of Tornimäe so watch you mouth :hahaha:. But yes i agree that building is ugly. Such multicoloured top heavy buildings are... bad!

Not very nice building. Colours are interesting, but I don´t like how they are placed and building looks a bit commieblockish (in second pic). But it`s not the final design, so everything is OK atm.

who the fuck designs such buildings?
who the fuck approves such buildings?

who the fuck am i to ask such questions

I might have overreacted with the facade, it is now aparent that the blue colour of the facade on tornimäe comes from the protective plastic on it - and it will be removed soon.
BTW tornimäe apartment tower is topped and they are removing DOKA formwork! :)

I agree that this rendered version of new highrise near Fahle is really ugly.

how much the centre of Tallinn changes is a year...

October 2005:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6199/img2110s9uz.jpg


April 2006(this pic is taken from across the road to the right):
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/3369/img5354s9dm.jpg

Can you tell us or show more info about this Tallinn's underground tram ?

/\ not much info on it. and not all of it is underground... hopefully some sections, i think the exact spesifications are not clear yet anyway

i'm amazed how tallinn changed since i last been there. i feel like it's time to go there again but this time equiped with a photo camera.

by the way, could one of you tell me how much of tallinn is covered by detailed spatial developement plans?

centre - 90%, outside areas, dont know

some kind of infiller approved at beginning of Pärnu road. This is connected with the old town, its the only part of "city" which was building on top of old town (which at those parts were demolished), next to the planned building (poorly rendered, to the left), is a 30s pure Functionalistic building. Why dont they demolish the smaller building and connect it to the firewall on the other side? - Simple, municipality, it is the old town, and as you can see theres also one defense tower there :)
http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/7162/uusmaja7wb.jpg
http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/3356/maja21gq.jpg

looks nice to me!

wow! this combination with this yellow house in the middle of the picture is genuinely tallinn style. reminds me of works of spanish photographer Fernando Conde Lamas.
www.laconde.planet.ee

that yellow building is already there ;) Cant be demolished - heritage!
And i agree, Tallinn is very much about contrasts, big and small, old and new, beautiful and ugly, Tall and low :)

quite cool!
chile - do you know who the architect is?

Good fill-in, I'd say.

new hotel/spa on the outskirt of the old town, not too far from the railway station.
me like!
http://www.postimees.ee/foto/2/8/370824470f93172ea6.jpg

oooooh!

this will be just across the street from the hotel wh stayed last summer, and the rendering is seen from the one-way street mantaz turned because i said it's ok to turn :D

Not bad at all! This will need some shiny neighbors too - otherwise it looks lonely :)

this will be just across the street from the hotel wh stayed last summer, and the rendering is seen from the one-way street mantaz turned because i said it's ok to turn :D

The same one-way street? :D Damn, I can't forget the drivers' faces when I drove against the traffic :lol: The location of it is very good then :okay:

Btw, when are the Estonians coming for a meetup in Vilnius? :cheers1:

btw, it's an annex of hotel tallinn, small part of it can be seen in the pic (in the background). hotel tallinn is a shiny (black) 60's or 70's building totally renewed.

on the other side of the annex - there's room to build something big. so it won't be a loner in the region.

actually this is a historical wooden district... but ruined in the soviet times - next to the open plot are tall commie-blocks.

toompea, together with the government building and tall hermann are about 300 meters away, balti jaam (the railway station) is also about 300 meters from the hotel.

and the architect of the annex - pia tasa. yay for female-architects (:

The same one-way street? :D Damn, I can't forget the drivers' faces when I drove against the traffic :lol: The location of it is very good then :okay:

Btw, when are the Estonians coming for a meetup in Vilnius? :cheers1:


the same one-way street :D

but... hmm. this year i'm planning to go to moscow. but a friend of mine is keen on riga, maybe we'll go to riga too, and vilnius is like a stone-throw away from there (:
but can't say anything for sure yet - let's see if i go to college this year or... take some time off and get a paying job.
one thing's for sure - one day i will come to vilnius (:

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/8138/thechange7tn.gif


me being bored and having access to 24th floor of Olümpia.... anyway: From 1995 to 2006

YEAH!

http://www.postimees.ee/foto/4/7/38374447f472b30b5f.jpg

the cultureminister Palmaru approved the demolition of this soviet era modernism building. DOCOMO wanted to preserve it.
Thankfully (well some may disagree) the company got approval to demolish it, the plot is signed for a upto 44 storey tower =)

FUCK OFF.

you'll all regret it one day. damn asses. how stupid can people be? i guess only money talks.

btw, i think the little church should also be demolished. c'mon, it's a perfect plot for another 44-storey building. and then we should demolish union bank as well, there could be something taller in stead.

i'll hunt for this 'minister of culture', mr. palmaru, and kick his ass for being a dumbass.


aaaargh, what a beautiful morning!

the plot is signed for a upto 44 storey tower =)

Are you serious??!?

Go Tallinn, go!
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6696/party1ci.gif

YEAH!
the cultureminister Palmaru approved the demolition of this soviet era modernism building. DOCOMO wanted to preserve it.


It's sad to hear for me that, because i really like that dark brick building in the centre of Tallinnn - clear example of neobrutalist or (neoexpressionist) style - evidnce of age which makes city more diverse and interesting.

That the same stupidity as to demolish Ministry of Agriculture or Museum of Occupation in Riga. I do not like those stupid demolishers even i understand that city should develope. There was already demolished River tram terminal near daugava demolished even there were another ways how to keep it.

Do not like those ideas - erase all the Soviet heritage even those are unique buildings from the face of the city.

neobrutalist? hmm, theres a WONDERFUL example of brutalism just across the road from it (why dont they protect that), this brown thing is soviet modernism ;) Tho its stupid, we cant take all of those buildings under protection and theres ALOT more.... to call it all rare would be ludricouse, as Lasnamäe and other commies is not the only thing that were built in Tallinn during that era. now what soviet stuff needs protection? Internationalistic Must Luik shop/building in Kadriorg and Raadiobuilding and also the stalinistic complex near Tartu road (which is too massive and nice :D to demolish anyhow).

Mixed feelings regarding this.
I think, @echo posted here threads about Soviet commieblock districts in Tallinn. At first I thought - he speaks with sarcasm when he prises these districts. But turned out - he really likes them! OK, this made me to look at these districts with different eyes.
Although I don't get it - but there are people who love architecture from 1960ies-1970ies. Most likely over the time there will be more and more people who would prise and protect architecture from this time and find something excellent in it. OK, for me this period of time seems to be empty hole in otherwise great history of architecture - but that's just my opinion.
But - f.e. Historism and Art Nouveau in Soviet area was not recognised as valuable architecture until the middle 1980ies.
All this sounds as small bell in my ears - be careful with any original architecture. There should be some value even if you are not able to see it yourself...

44-floor building theoretically could find another, less controversial site in Tallinn. But being in Riga - city which also destroys smth valuable to build highrises... I am not in a position to criticise. (and personally am not too sad about this building in TLN being demolished)

/\ yes theoretically another site can be found. But would you take the risk?
Great things require sacrifices... and in 100 years the scraper will be damn valuable... would the 130 year old brown brick thing be more precious?

yes, in ~100 years, an old soviet building, a UNIQUE building (it is original and there's nothing similar, at least in estonia) would be more valuable than a tall box in the middle of other tall boxes. and i'm talking about aesthetical value!! too bad people can only think of money and not think of the future, because, as i said, when this building is gone, you'll all regret it (well, not ch!le, of course).

not only the skyscrapers make a good city.

btw, this 44-storey tower would be right next to another approved highrise (35 storeys). then one building further there's another plot for a highrise. and the union bank + tornimäe towers are basically across the street. what does that mean? it would ruin a perfect skyline (seen from pirita road) + all the highrises would be built in a VERY small area, which i don't like.

That Turistipood is one bad ass ugly building. I'm soooo glad they decided to go ahead and allow to demolish it from the face of the earth!!

FUCK OFF.

you'll all regret it one day. damn asses. how stupid can people be? i guess only money talks.

btw, i think the little church should also be demolished. c'mon, it's a perfect plot for another 44-storey building. and then we should demolish union bank as well, there could be something taller in stead.

i'll hunt for this 'minister of culture', mr. palmaru, and kick his ass for being a dumbass.


aaaargh, what a beautiful morning!

I completely and utterly agree!

@jarmo

well, atleast you got one part right... the part about me not regreting ;)

every goddamn building (well almost every) is unique, and simply the 44 storey one will definitely be unique! Hoho... look at chrisler and empire... in the middle of all the other scrapers they still stand out (now i cant guarantee the, supposedly, 44 storey tower will be anything as grand). Think of the lovely art deco, beaux arts, or whatever older building must have stood on the lot of those highrises, do people regret ordering it being demolished?

well true... Empire etc are quite different from whatever will be built at that site, but still... you should understand...

some people are going too far with this skyscraper-craze, including you, ch1le (:
there's no actual need to demolish a perfectly fine building (and damn, why can't you respect others' opinions?).
i just like the building and i wouldn't want it to be demolished, that's it.

p.s. - what a weird example you brought...

p.p.s- chrysler*

/\ well, actually, id say the same thing about you... other peoples opinions.

At least you should preserve the movie theatre "Kosmos" at Pärnu Maantee - it's probably the best relic of Soviet Modernism in Tallinn (and personally I love it). ;)

I'm not sure what should I say about that little red brick building. I like it, but it's perhaps too small to be the neighbour of all those skyscrapers. IMO replacing it with another 8902487243 storey high-rise is not the best option though.

i agree with jarmo and ch1le ... this skyscraper craze has gone too far but that red brick building doesnt quite fit there ... and personally i dont like it... they should do what the americans do in such cases .... move it... this problem is like the un-known soldier thing some hate it , some love it and some just dont care.... so the move it so everyone is happy

well yes, the best option would be to incorporate the outer walls into the new structure of move it.

The old "Turist" shop building is not ugly, it's quite OK. But it is at the wrong place. If it could be moved to another location, it would be the best solution. But this is utopia. And so I'm for the demolition, if a skyscraper can be built on that plot.

Some new renderings of the most controversial planned building in Tallinn center: "Son of Viru" (Hotel). It's the black box beside the 70s hotel, at the edge of Tammsaare park.

The hotel owners got all planning papers cleared some years ago for this, but the city has not issued a building permit. Now the the city will be sued over hindering the project.

http://www.photohosting.info/uploads/794101c442.jpg (http://www.photohosting.info/)

http://www.photohosting.info/uploads/182445d97d.jpg (http://www.photohosting.info/)

http://www.photohosting.info/uploads/b49c5e1f76.jpg (http://www.photohosting.info/)

http://www.photohosting.info/uploads/c9a1397410.jpg (http://www.photohosting.info/)

the first and the third render are very new! Look at Foorum uc, also triumph plaza and the plot across from viru!

But yeah, as weird as it is, i dont support this project at all, i mean, Viru is FAT enough, and this would make it worse.... Viru is also close enough (too close) to the old town, this will again make it worse! The perfect solution would be if the city gave a plot in some other part of the "city" for this tower... and give them permission for extra floors.

btw where did you get those renderS???

I agree with ch1le, they should ban this proposal for sure!

Ch1le: the renders were distributed on friday quite widely by a PR company representing the hotel owners.

I too agree with Ch1le. Best solution would be that the city compensates the hotel with another plot, and receives this one. The park is already small enough.

The worst thing is, if they push too hard for this building, it will piss off many people in Tallinn and add to the overall phobias and NIMBY activism against modern buildings/skyscrapers in the city.

location of website? Link? nothing? ;)

This thing damages the architecture of Hotel Viru. After all - Viru is monument of its time too and it is sad if people interfere in it.

In addition to all the comments made, the colour doesn't really fit in with the Viru Hotel surroundings!

http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/3684/tramvai0ij.jpg

man it dwarfs the other lines!

Is dat the proposed routes for the new tram system?

those are not proposed, but approved and will go ahead.

What about the link to the aiport, why is it dotted?

/\ the new tram segement that will require a study by some other company, that link is also under consideration.

a render of the new Tallink SPA hotel in the harbour area, did a photo of a it from Tallink magazine, should be the main entrance facing Sadama str.
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5667/sadama11atallinkhotell8da.jpg

same render, smaller, that i found in the net:
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/2083/sadama11atallink24az.jpg

Not bad at all!

yeah i also like it, the pillars are a reminder of Tallinks first hotel right in the city centre. Both hotels will look spectacular. That Tallink hotel has very high floors as the building is around 21m high, so around 4m per floor.

Singaporean businessman Sonny Aswani plans to build a 200m skyscraper on his 11,5HA site in Northern Tallinn... He plans to develope the whole area. He sais that he wants to ask worldfamous architects to design the skyscraper.

200m... in Northern Tallinn

If this gets built it will be like Turning Torso since its quite alone there...

Singaporean businessman Sonny Aswani plans to build a 200m skyscraper on his 11,5HA site in Northern Tallinn... He plans to develope the whole area. He sais that he wants to ask worldfamous architects to design the skyscraper.

200m... in Northern Tallinn

If this gets built it will be like Turning Torso since its quite alone there...
That diseased plan will never get through, don't worry. Why not an empty space in midtown or somewhere like that.

yeah, id also like this together with the other ones.

looks cool

construction update of some objects in the downtown/harbour area:
Hotel/Business/Apartment building UC
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/3672/img6158s6um.jpg
one Rotermanni building has grown quickly:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9378/img6172s6sc.jpg
Merikaru hotel:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3686/img6175s6ro.jpg
Tallink new hotel:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1623/img6176s8ub.jpg
the backside of the Tallink hotel in the left side... eventually a street will run infront of it :P
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8830/img6187s0ov.jpg
Another angle of Rotermanni, other buildings are also now going up:
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2623/img6194s2vn.jpg

I was in Tallinn in 2003 and I liked it a lot, nice city and friendly people, I recommend it to everyone I meet! I remember I was surprised that Tallinn had a skyline and all the construction going on. I am glad to see that the economy in Tallinn seems good and that many wants to invest in exciting projects. I remember I stayed at a Norwegian Hotel by the harbour. Could it be the building behind the boat?
I also remember a funny thing, in one of the narrow streets downtown the parkingspace was painted half in the street and half on the pavement :lol:

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8830/img6187s0ov.jpg
LoL :D what is that statue supposed to represent?^^

It is estonian PREVED! :D

Joka its "bearskin" on our epic hero Kalevipoeg (iirc), looks like a bear from the back.. :)
@Muster the hotel youstayed in I guess is in the other pic: the pic with the "bear" the building thats next to the UC hotel

http://www.postimees.ee/foto/9/6/33169443c33a8e013b.jpg

detail planning of Maakri 28/30 24storey building stopped (second from the right)... they say they cant approve the planning before a concept plan for the entire maakri area is ready.... wont take too long i guess...

seems like theres some more info in todays news about Maakri 19/21.
120m... developer says he is hopeful it will be completed in 3-4 years. Plans to make it a business building, either a hotel or offices!

/\ the new tram segement that will require a study by some other company, that link is also under consideration.



So it will include some underground sections ?

I'm not sure if this has been covered here before but it seems there will be a new 16-floor residential building built in Lasnamäe:
http://www.onixinvest.ee/onixinvest/virbi_info.php?language=en
http://www.onixinvest.ee/onixinvest/gfx/virbi/pic_1.jpg

noticed the crane for that commieblock long ago, its horrible!!!
But heck, its a commie amongst commies.... fitting...

So it will include some underground sections ?






Ok I quess you don't know yet.

The 5 potentials chosen to move on to the Second Round of Maakri area development Competition:
or well 4 models atleast:
"Trident"
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155521
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155522

"Galileo"
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155523

"Parkour'32"
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155524

"Urban village"
(very proffesional compared to others)
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155525


heres one that didnt make it into the second phase :(
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155526

Very interesting proposals. I always prefere renderings though, but looking at the models i think Parkour'32 and maybe Galileo is the best proposals. :)

I think "Galileo" could create the best skyline. :)

Trident and Galileo both look very impressive. If Tallinn is going to look like that, I'll be damn happy!

BTW. Urban Village is just too good :lol: .

Yeah, Parkour'32 is the most professionally made, even the height of the land is there, gives a nice overview and has almost the highest scrapers too : ) But galileo is also a go!

galileo me like :yes:

They are all pretty good i guess

I ofcourse Like Galileo because its the tallest (3 over 130m buildings)

Parkour looks very nice too with a very balanced skyline, and that pinnacle... mm, somewhere around 140m i guess?

But I also love Trident because of the "lower area" I mean, imagine that square between those buildings, how awesome is that!

When is de decision day to decide who wins?

ch1le
Do you know something about authors of those projects.
Some names of architects or agencies-participants ?

here you go YanXenus

"Urban Village"- author Kalle Komissarov
"Trident"- authors: Ott Kadarik, Villem Tomiste, Mihkel Tüür
"Galileo" - authors: Tõnu Laigu, Koit Ojaliiv, Juhan Rohtla
"Parkour´32" - authors: Kadri Tamre, Indrek Tiigi, Ülar Mark
"Parabool"- autohors: Leena Torim, Veronika Valk, Tõnis Arjus, Kadri Klementi, Eerik Kändler

Wow, Thanks !

FINALLY A RENDER FOR THE HOTEL/Multifunc building UC on Narva road right next to Postimaja!

God damn it was a long wait but its soooo nice!
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=155723

WOw. Here it would be called "Pink Pokemon" just because some part of "pokemon generation" loves pink tones. But it looks good for sure.

Haha, that is fun, laughs over Viru Center, clearly. :)

quite good.

hope these trees aren't just to illustrate the picture (;

Nothing so special

http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=156961

We might get a pretty cute skyline in that region... The leftmost building is completed, the one at the centre and closest to the coast is UC (the slightly fat on the pic seeming one).
The rest are from 16 floors to 11 floors :) No date or time, the site is currently occupied by the Tallinn fairgrounds, they are planning to move out... in 2008 or so, and build those instead =)

^ Looks like a ring of commie blocks so far, but it might get nice, what usage is it btw?

residential. And thats not the final design, since thats just to show the "impact"
And they are not commieblocks per se! Look at the layout, its not highrises in a park, the podiums are all next to the street, making it somewhat perimetral!
;)

Rortermanni PHASE II starts

Phase II of rotermanni development has started, phase I (you know those 4 buildings) will be completed by the beginning of 2007. When Phase I was about the construction of 4 new buildings on a empty lot at the western side of the Area, PHASE II will focus on the existing factory buildings, renovating them and adding new parts, etc. PHASE II will also have new buildings
Heres a render of one new building which is situated at the southern side next to a soon-to-be city square:
http://www.epl.ee/pic.php?suurus=s&file=157157

Heres a model of the whole district as seen from the North(the buildings on the right hand side are UC, with the ones in the back topped and cladded and the ones in the front at floor 4-5), you can also see the house in the render above in the back(see the box with smaller boxes on the side O.o):
http://foto.miestai.net/inkelti/20061219/rotermannismall.jpg

Do you know the status of the new spa complex across from Rotermanni? Is this now on hold?

Yes, sad but true, its not on hold because the Hotel operator bailed (construction costs up 40% or so!).
Now the developer ARCO real estate, is devising a plan on what to do next with it, in a perfect world they would find an operator for it. In the real world im afraid the might have to redesign everything :(

This is a first in Estonia i think, the groundwork is basically all done on the site now, with the piles in the ground....
Very sad, but well get a year or two delay, im afraid.

Sry for mispost.

If that spa complex was that enormous box, it's not a big deal if they delay it. May be in future they will have nocer project instead.

Renders of a project in another Ex-Factory area near the city centre, by Finnish CEJ

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/5457/vineeriprojektlinnulendtb7.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/4268/vineeriprojektlx6.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7217/vineeriprojektligeqk3.jpg
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/5066/vineeriprojektvaadelc2.jpg