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SinCity April 5th, 2005, 02:22 AM Croatia's no 3 city has a number of big projects happening.
The current biggest project which is going through final approval stages is the Rijeka West Shopping / Office / Hotel project.
This is on top of the vast shopping centre and office complex of "Rijeka World Trade Centre" now under construction by Italian Property Developers "Policentro".
This project is being proposed by the same company which is currently constructing "Zagreb Shopping City". (www.shopping-city-zagreb.com)
The Architects are "ATP" from both Vienna and Zagreb offices.
Project:
Shopping centre with 15 storey office tower on top of a glazed food pavillion enjoying spectacular views over the historic harbour of Rijeka. Adjacent 18 level hotel.
The developer is Austrian development firm Redserve GesmbH (Vienna)
References ......
Redserve
http://www.redserve.at/?site=laufendeprojekte&lp=en
ATP Architects
http://www.atp.co.at/frameset/aktu_e.html
http://www.redserve.at/res/bilder/upload/pics/Hotel_office.jpg
http://www.atp.co.at/data/studie/0001/klein/02.jpg
mic of Orion April 5th, 2005, 03:03 AM I read somewhere they are building new hospital in Rijeka, is this true ?
And any news on University Hospital in Zagreb, did they re-start construction ?
SinCity April 5th, 2005, 07:27 AM I read somewhere they are building new hospital in Rijeka, is this true ?
And any news on University Hospital in Zagreb, did they re-start construction ?
I'm not too sure on the Hospital for Rijeka. Most likely its true since most Croatian hopsitals were upgraded after the war. Many more are getting the upgrades now ....
SinCity April 5th, 2005, 08:15 AM Here is another render of the Rijeka West Retail / Office / Hotel project giving some perspective in relation to it surrounding area and the impact it will have on the Rijeka skyline, which I reckon is the best in Croatia. This render is from the website of Rijeka City Council .....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/21/4739648v.JPG
Trgovačko-poslovno-garažni kompleks s poslovnim tornjem
DPU usvojen (SN PGŽ 22/96 ), imovinsko-pravna priprema realizirana
Parcela P 8.100 m2
BRP 81.000 m2;
BRV 360.000 m3
Kontakt Direkcija za razvoj
Telefon 051 209 433
E-mail urban-razvoj@rijeka.hr
davor.samanic@rijeka.hr
http://www.rijeka.hr/default.asp?gl=200401210000003
long foot April 5th, 2005, 08:26 AM Jesus Christ, mother of God, these twins look so nice… :runaway:
Do you know if construction alredy started? i just can't wait to see this project relized :) Rijeka realy deserves it.
SinCity April 5th, 2005, 08:34 AM Jesus Christ, mother of God, these twins look so nice… :runaway:
Do you know if construction alredy started? i just can't wait to see this project relized :) Rijeka realy deserves it.
Nice aren't they? :D
They havent started work yet, everything is going through the final approval stages. This is a project that is being promoted by Rijeka City Council to which they recieved interest a year or so ago from the same Austrian company that is building "Zagreb Shopping City". The Company "Rijeka Zapadni Trgovački Centar d.o.o" has been registered in Croatia and has its office in Rijeka preparing this big project.
Basically what we have is a city government proposal that now has been backed by a private Austrian development company. This is a council that has initiative and it seems to have paid off.
There's more too which I will send you a PM.
It is expected to start later this year. :)
long foot April 5th, 2005, 10:48 AM I read somewhere they are building new hospital in Rijeka, is this true ?
I think hospital in Rijeka is U/C, if not, construction should start very soon. Pity we don't have anyone from Rijeka here.
mic of Orion April 5th, 2005, 03:17 PM Here is another render of the Rijeka West Retail / Office / Hotel project giving some perspective in relation to it surrounding area and the impact it will have on the Rijeka skyline, which I reckon is the best in Croatia. This render is from the website of Rijeka City Council .....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/21/4739648v.JPG
Trgovačko-poslovno-garažni kompleks s poslovnim tornjem
DPU usvojen (SN PGŽ 22/96 ), imovinsko-pravna priprema realizirana
Parcela P 8.100 m2
BRP 81.000 m2;
BRV 360.000 m3
Kontakt Direkcija za razvoj
Telefon 051 209 433
E-mail urban-razvoj@rijeka.hr
davor.samanic@rijeka.hr
http://www.rijeka.hr/default.asp?gl=200401210000003
wow, incredible, looks great, Rijeka very much reminds me of Hong Kong (no offence meant) its skyline is getting there - with 3 new office towers it'll look very nice, hope there are lot more investment in to Rijeka soon, and its skyline :) :) :) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
SinCity April 6th, 2005, 01:35 AM wow, incredible, looks great, Rijeka very much reminds me of Hong Kong (no offence meant) its skyline is getting there - with 3 new office towers it'll look very nice, hope there are lot more investment in to Rijeka soon, and its skyline :) :) :) :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
There is a whole whack of projects in the pipeline for Rijeka due to a very progressive council. If I get time, I'll mention them here one by one.
I must say that Rijeka has the best skyline in Croatia, especially in the manner to the which really tall apartment towers cascade from the hills above the city down towards the waterfront. I'll see if I can find pics.
This is one city in Croatia to watch, even more so than Zagreb ...... :yes:
mic of Orion April 6th, 2005, 01:45 AM any idea how tall towers are - especially those 2 here?
SinCity April 6th, 2005, 02:22 AM any idea how tall towers are - especially those 2 here?
I dont know yet, but I'm guessing both towers would top out at around 80 metres maximum.
bubach_hlubach April 6th, 2005, 03:42 AM hmmm, this project confuses me quite a lot now. Wasnt there a similiar project initiated by an Italian investor? The project started i think like 3 years ago or something, and then this first investor gave up for some reason, but some other investors jumped in, and there have been a lot of work done already, so this shopping center should be completed somewhere in 2006.
SinCity April 6th, 2005, 03:55 AM hmmm, this project confuses me quite a lot now. Wasnt there a similiar project initiated by an Italian investor? The project started i think like 3 years ago or something, and then this first investor gave up for some reason, but some other investors jumped in, and there have been a lot of work done already, so this shopping center should be completed somewhere in 2006.
Dont be confused Bubach. You are thinking of the "Rijeka World Trade Centre" which is well into construction. I will post updates here on that one when I get some info.
This project is similar but it includes a hotel as well and is located on the westside. The WTC project is over on the eastside.
bubach_hlubach April 6th, 2005, 07:44 PM Thanks for your explanation, SinCity :) It's not that hard to confuse me, is it ? ;) lol
Seriously, the project i was referring to and the one you've started the thread with, are so much alike, dont you think?
Anyways, since this thread is about Rijeka, somebody should post a photo-rendering of the Rijeka WTC, too :)
mic of Orion April 6th, 2005, 07:54 PM inof on WTC Rijeka, - website - http://www.randic-turato.hr/visions/WTCRIJEKA/
WTC RIJEKA, 1993.
The WTC Rijeka was the city's most ambitious project in of the 1990s. It was seen as an investment that would trigger-off the transformation of the city's outdated industrial sector, and redefine the city as a regional business and technological centre. The building program itself included a hotel, business tower, congress centre and shopping mall -- 80.000 m2 in total. This project is the first proposal for the Pecine site, done together with the architect Vladimir Grubesic. The project is interesting for several reasons. The post-war environment of 1993, when this project was conceived, was hardly favourable for market-oriented development projects. The site was on the edge of the city, in an exclusively residential area. Furthermore, the site had a very narrow shape, positioned between the railway and rear facades of residential buildings.
Finally, because of its size, the centre could not be connected with the surrounding streets, since the new traffic would exceed their capacity. These circumstances determined the typology of the building. Because of the topography, neighbourhoods are formed by longitudinal strips that follow the terrain. In this sense, the centre represents a new strip, that is squeezed in-between two existing ones.
http://www.randic-turato.hr/visions/WTCRIJEKA/projekcija%2001.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/visions/WTCRIJEKA/rijeka%2001.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/visions/WTCRIJEKA/RUPA.jpg
I think there are loads more info on this project.
http://www.rijeka.hr/default.asp?ru=534&gl=200409060000005&sid=&jezik=2
bubach_hlubach April 6th, 2005, 08:12 PM Thank you, Mike O'Ryan ;) :)
:cheers:
SinCity April 7th, 2005, 01:13 AM Work is fast proceeding on the construction of the "Rijeka WTC" in the Croatian port city of Rijeka. Below are a couple of construction pictures and some information.
The Rijeka WTC is a large shopping centre which includes a 15 level office building. The total size of the retail area is 140,000 sqm over 5 levels making it one of the largest complexes in that part of Europe. Already nearly 50% of the area has been purchased or leased.
The complex is set to be completed in the first half of 2006 and so far 3 underground levels have been completed and the first 2 levels of the office tower. Once complete it will create 1300 new jobs. There are also a number of other important projects underway in Rijeka.
"WTC Shopping Centre Rijeka" Growing
Rijeka, 2nd September 2004
The multipurpose trade centre “WTC Shopping Centre Rijeka”, with the total covered surface area of 140,000 m2, planned to be opened in the first half of the year 2006, is becoming reality. Numerous journalists could see for themselves when they accompanied Rijeka mayor Vojko Obersnel and members of the City Administration in their visit to this large building site.
The “WTC Shopping Centre Rijeka” project manager Sergio Innocenti pointed out that it is going to be one of the most beautiful, most modern and most functional of the multipurpose trade centres, not only in Croatia, but Europe as well. For its realisation, an investment of round 150m Euros has been envisaged, while it will employ round 1,300 people once it has become completed.
The building of such a demanding object has become possible due to the seriousness of the investor Policentro Rijeka d.o.o., but also due to the good cooperation with local authorities, first of all the mayor, who, since the very beginning, has had trust in this project, despite all the problems that accompanied its realisation, emphasised Innocenti.
Three underground floor levels have been built, as well as the first two floor levels of the business tower. The future ground floor, the location for a large supermarket, is just being built. Almost 43% of the trade area have already been sold or leased on a long term, particularly larger trade areas, while the final internal arrangement of the business tower will depend on future buyers, with whom negotiations are still being held. Although housing facilities have not been envisaged in the business tower, there have been enquiries for the purchase of flats, in case there is such a possibility. This is something still to be pondered upon, clarified Innocenti. Therefore, the internal arrangement will depend on the sale of the space. Negotiations with Italian companies that already have are planning to open their representations in Rijeka, namely, Croatia, are also underway.
Policentro d.o.o. Rijeka, in the majority ownership of “Policentro S.p.a.” from Italy, company that specialises in building important multipurpose trade centres in Italy and abroad, is the investor. Rizzani de Eccher S.p.a., from Udine in Italy, is in charge of carrying out the construction works. Through its Croatian branch, Rizzani de Eccher d.o.o., they outsourced the building of the foundations to the GP Krk d.d., while Montmontaža d.d. took over the construction works. December 2005 is the scheduled time of completion, while the opening of the Centre is envisaged for the first half of the year 2006.
Mayor Obersnel expressed his satisfaction with the dynamics of construction works, namely, the WTC Rijeka completion by 2006. This biggest single investment in the city will provide new facilities, a new quality of services and new standards, and, what is most important is that the Trade Centre will employ 1,300 people, pointed out Obersnel.
The participation of the city in the project realisation consists in the building of the roundabout. The making of its project documentation is underway, while its realisation follows in the year 2005. All the project documentation for the building of tunnel connections to the future road D-404, the construction of which will coincide with the building of WTC Rijeka, has been completed. The City of Rijeka owns about 9% of the WTC Company Rijeka and, according to the Agreement, this part ownership will be refunded to the city upon the completion of the construction works.
The first four floor levels will locate round hundred and sixty smaller or larger shops as well as nine large trade spaces of more than 1,000 m2, among which also a hypermarket of over 8,000 m2.
The fifth floor level is intended for entertainment and leisure facilities, being planned for 10 multiplex cinemas, restaurants, fitness clubs and other entertainment and sports facilities.
Besides the underground car parks, seven above the ground car parks will be built, situated sideways from the trade floor levels, with a total of round 64,000 m2 of car park surface area and 2,150 parking places for cars.
The complex also envisages a fifteen-floor business tower, with offices, congress and conference halls, suitable for holding different manifestations. The Centre will be within easy reach by car or public transport. In order to improve the traffic flow, a one-way road will be built around the whole of the complex, thus enabling a fast and undisturbed car traffic and an easier reach of the car parks on all of the floor levels.
Incoming and outgoing tunnel connections to the fast road D-404 have also been planned.
SinCity April 7th, 2005, 01:20 AM Bubach, here is a link to a PDF document for this project which looks like it will have a new name ....... "Tower Centre - Rijeka"
The link has info in Croatian and Italian and many images and detailed plans of the centre ......
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/brochure/brochure_RIJEKA_9[1].2.2005persito.pdf
Web link to project details .....
http://www.policentro.it/site/centro_eng.cfm?id_centro=23&id_categoria=2
Some conctruction pics ...... :)
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/IM000158.JPG
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/panoramica_1.JPG
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/1._Picture_190.jpg
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/1._Picture_183.jpg
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/1._Picture_185.jpg
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/IM000157.JPG
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/IM000155.JPG
AstroBoy April 7th, 2005, 11:49 AM Nice, what about the Rijeka Ports project? Quite a big urban renewal project happening.
You can see a section of Croatia's Hong Kong in this picture Mic of Orion :)
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/panoramica_1.JPG
long foot April 7th, 2005, 11:55 AM Great, Rijeka will get new modern WTC. I like investors who put all construction pics on their site, so that all of us can see works progress.
Croatian Kong Kong? :lol:
long foot April 7th, 2005, 01:30 PM Well, according to http://www.policentro.it, this project now has another name - Tower Center Rijeka.
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/files/novi_list[1]gennaio.JPG
Nightsky April 7th, 2005, 01:44 PM I guess Croatia is developing very fast.
How many inhabitants have Rijeka?
AstroBoy April 7th, 2005, 02:26 PM I guess Croatia is developing very fast.
How many inhabitants have Rijeka?
About 250,000. Its the 3rd largest in Croatia. Its the deepest port in the Adriatic Sea and it handles much of the shipping requirements of Croatia, Hungary, Austria, Slovakia, etc. A lot of construction here is commercially based and its level of activity is second to the capital of Zagreb which has a population of around 1.1 million. Newly completed motorways that now link Zagreb with many of the coastal cities has sparked a lot of projects inc Rijeka, Split, Zadar, Dubrovnik, etc.
SinCity April 8th, 2005, 03:00 AM RIJEKA GATEWAY PROJECT
Since the foundation of the Port of Rijeka Authority, and with the aim of effecting the established policies, several studies have been drawn by expert teams regarding the developmental possibilities of the port. These studies were also used during the making of the ten years development plan of the port of Rijeka, as well as in the two years developmental plans. The urgency with which these plans had to be made implied the necessity to stop the decrease of the port’s turnover, as well as the creation of conditions for a more effective port activity.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto11-1.jpg
The World Bank and the Port of Rijeka Authority have accepted the proposal of the consultancy firm Rotterdam Maritime Group, The Netherlands, which has drawn up the Study of the Modernization of the Port of Rijeka.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto-razvoj.jpg
On July 12th 2003 the agreement was signed by which the World Bank granted to the Government of the Republic of Croatia a loan of 155 million US dollars. Of exceptional importance are the projects regarding the modernization of existing and the expansion of new terminals, but for the town of Rijeka the waterfront project is of primary importance. This project implies the opening of the central part of the port area for commercial purposes, and the access of citizens to that part of the coastal area. It implies also that the passenger terminal, the southern part of Delta and the port ‘Porto Baroš’ will have completely different spatial and territorial plans with the aim of giving access to these parts of town to all the citizens thus creating new, attractive town spaces typical of Mediterranean towns.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto13.jpg
This year the drawing of the project for a fishing ships’ port in the Torpedo area has begun. In the process of making is the project for the recovery and the extension of the breakwater, and for the deepening of the draft in the small port. The Port Authority and the town of Rijeka have become co-owners of most buildings around the Torpedo port. With this project the lack of space for fishing ships, due to the construction of the passenger terminal, will be solved. The project also comprises the idea of a fish exchange and all other adjoining services (shops, bars) together with the fishing port. Examples throughout the world show that fishing ports are important segments of harbor towns that cultivate their fishing traditions, but also create an attractive town center offering to citizens and tourists various attractions. This project aims to stimulate entrepreneurs to render additional and catering services inside the fishing port. In an economic sense, the project will give a new impetus to the fishing industry, which was greatly neglected.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta1.gif
The project of modernization of the port of Rijeka and of the road network is a very complex one. It is planned, besides modernizing and restructuring the port, to encompass with the project the construction of the east wing of the Rijeka roundabout, from Orehovica to Križišće, of the connecting roads Draga – Brajdica and Čavle - Križišće and the reconstruction of the bridge coast – island of Krk. With all this Rijeka, as well as the broader region, will have a qualitative connection to the highway Rijeka - Zagreb - Budapest, which is part of European traffic corridors. Such an envisaged project should solve the greatest problems of the Rijeka road junction.
PROJECT'S IMPLEMENTATION STAGES
Western part of the port of Rijeka – Zagreb wharf
By creating new areas in the Rijeka basin, by demolishing the old nonfunctional warehouses, as well as by building the new wharf, the realization of the project of a gradual relocation of the cargo part of the port, from today’s inadequate locations to the newly prepared areas in the western part of the port, will begin.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto14.jpg
In the western part of the Rijeka basin, the building of a new multipurpose terminal (containers, timber, general cargo) is envisaged. The Rijeka Gateway Project plans the financing and the building of the first 250m, of the overall 600 m of new wharf. By building the remaining 600 m, at the end the wharf will be 1.200 m long and it will dispose with 300,000 m2 of new areas.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto15.jpg
The wharf will be built on pillars and the sea depth along the wharf will be more than 20 m. The financing and the construction of the part of wharf not covered by the World Bank’s loan will be based on a BOT (build, operate, transfer) contract.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto16.jpg
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta2-1.jpg
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta3.gif
For the new wharf to be adequately connected with the Rijeka roundabout, i.e. with the main traffic routes leading towards Zagreb, Ljubljana and Dalmatia, the construction of a new connecting road is planned (the road D - 403 1.9 km long).
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta4.gif
The warehouses in the western part of the harbor are no longer adequate for the storing of goods, and since the area of the commercial port has no possibility of expansion, to be competitive with other North-Adriatic ports, these warehouses are going to be demolished and instead new warehouses are going to be built which are more suited to the needs of storing cargoes. Because of their cultural heritage value, the warehouses no.12 and 17 will be kept and reconstructed.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto17.jpg
Passenger terminal (Central port - port Baroš - Delta)
With this part of the project, the reconstruction of 17 hectares of land is planned upon which currently there are different port activities, warehouses and parking lots.
The project comprises the construction of:
a modern ferry terminal to be built along the existing passenger wharf on a part of the Rijeka breakwater, with the concomitant buildings on the Senj quayside;
a passenger wharf;
a nautical center – marina;
different commercial and cultural-entertainment centers;
roads connecting the port with the Rijeka roundabout;
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta5.gif
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta6.gif
The project plans the building of a new road (D-404 4.4 km long) across the area of Brajdica, which will connect the container terminal and the Sušak basin with the Rijeka roundabout, i.e. with the main traffic routes leading towards Zagreb, Ljubljana and Dalmatia.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/razvoj-karta7.gif
This project intends to convert part of the commercial port into a passenger port, because of inadequate conditions of transshipment on the existing locations. For the realization of this part of the project, some types of cargo which is being manipulated in the central part of the port (timber and bulk cargo) have to be moved to specialized terminals. The bulk cargo will be transferred to Bakar - terminal for bulk cargo, and the timber to the western part of the port were a multipurpose terminal will be built – the Zagreb wharf.
With the implementation of this part of the project, Rijeka will regain the image of a maritime and Mediterranean town.
http://www.portauthority.hr/rijeka/images/foto120.jpg
SinCity April 8th, 2005, 03:06 AM Czech Cultural Centre Foundation Stone Laid in Rijeka
Rijeka, 20th September 2004
A three-day manifestation marking the 90th anniversary of “Češka Beseda” in Rijeka and the 10th anniversary of its resumption, ended on Sunday 19th of September with the laying of the foundation stone for the future Czech Cultural Centre in Ćićarijska road in Hosti.
In the presence of numerous guests among who were also Dr. Petr Buriánek, Ambassador of the Czech Republic in Croatia, members of Croatian parliament and representatives of ethnic minorities that live in the area of Rijeka, the City of Rijeka Mayor, Mr. Vojko Obersnel, laid the foundation stone for the future Czech Cultural Centre.
Beside the foundation stone, Mrs. Fanika Ghusak, president of “Češka Beseda” Rijeka, laid the document written in Croatian and in Czech with the date of the foundation stone laying and a short text about the this ceremony and its participants.
The land for the building of the Czech Cultural centre was bought from the City of Rijeka in the March of 2001. Architect Patrizia Tricoli has made the project documentation. The Czech Cultural Home will have about 1,100 square meters, consisting of basement, ground floor and one storey. “Češka Beseda” Rijeka will have its headquarters in it. The building will have a small catering facility, rooms for accommodating guest ensembles and companies, as well as an auditorium and a stage for cultural and other programmes.
The estimated amount for the building and its interior decoration is around 9 million Kuna. The works should be done in two phases. In the first phase that should be completed in the year 2005, the whole of the building will be constructed. The second phase will take care of the interior decoration of the building and the surrounding landscaping.
The building of this Centre is financially supported by the City of Rijeka, the Primorje-Gorski kotar County, the Ethnic Minorities Office of the Republic of Croatia, the Czech Republic and numerous friends from the Czech Republic who have already given their donations, be it financial, for the acquisition of the land, be it in construction material for the works on the Centre. The Czech city of Ostrava has already donated construction iron, while Češke Budjeovice donated timber.
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/09/20/0028584v.JPG
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/09/20/3712274v.JPG
SinCity April 8th, 2005, 03:13 AM Earlier from Long Foot .....
Good new from Rijeka!
Prime minister Ivo Sanader yesteday finally signed contract about loan for construction of new University Campus in Trsat district, Rijeka.
Total investment: 490 million kunas.
Campus will be finished in 2011.
Article from Novi list:
http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?...63286328592863F
Project:
http://www.arhitektura.info/~rijeka1/01prilozi/03campus/rijeka-studom-1-2.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~rijeka1/01prilozi/03campus/rijeka-studom-1-3.jpg
http://www.arhitektura.info/~rijeka1/01prilozi/03campus/rijeka-studom-1-1.jpg
SinCity April 8th, 2005, 03:36 AM I think a couple of we whinging before about the crappy bus station in Rijeka city centre which was way too small. Anyway, the city government is finalising planning for its replacement .....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/22/4192010v.JPG
Kompleks autobusnog kolodvora s poslovnim sadržajima i garažom, imovinsko-pravna priprema u tijeku i izrada prometno-tehnološke studije; DPU u planu 2004.
Parcela P cca 30 000 m2
max. BRP 88.000 m2; BRV 323.600 m3; garaža 1.000 PM
Kontakt Direkcija za razvoj
Telefon 051 209 433
E-mail urban-razvoj@rijeka.hr
davor.samanic@rijeka.hr
SinCity April 8th, 2005, 03:45 AM Rijeka city council is planning a number of new stations (purple) on the existing rail corridors, hence forming a suburban rail network for the city. Part of the line passes underground. In addition to upgrades of major highways and motorways passing in and around the city .....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Download/2004/02/25/Promet.jpg
long foot April 8th, 2005, 08:14 AM I think a couple of we whinging before about the crappy bus station in Rijeka city centre which was way too small. Anyway, the city government is finalising planning for its replacement .....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/22/4192010v.JPG
Rijeka really needs new bus station. The current one is really crap, actualy there is no station building, only few platforms, with a lot of people, buses, cars, very small and ugly. Rijeka deserves better and I am glad to see this project, I hope it is going to be realized very soon.
SinCity May 5th, 2005, 02:27 AM 250 berth marina, retail, casino, hotel (400 bed), parking and entertainment complex for Rijeka waterfront. This is a city council initiated project ....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/22/9453088v.JPG
Marina, ugostiteljstvo, usluge, prateći sadržaji, casino, garažno-parkirni prostor, dvorana.
Marina: 37.000 m2 vodena površina , 21.000 m2 kopnene površina.
vezovi: 250 morskih, 100 suhih
Plutajuća garaža 500 PM ; hotel 400 kreveta cca 10.000 m2 BRP
Kontakt Direkcija za urbanizam i ekologiju
Telefon 051 209 443
E-mail urban-eko@rijeka.hr
srdan.skunca@rijeka.hr
SinCity May 5th, 2005, 02:31 AM Another Rijeka City Council project that includes the following ...
Swimming complex consisting of inside and outside olympic sized swimming pools and minor pools. Also includes a sports hall.
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/22/9797937v.JPG
Sportsko-rekreacioni kompleks. Ukupna vodena površina cca 3.000 m2 ; cca 7.000 m2 BRP
Zatvoreno plivalište 53 x 25; postojeće otvoreno plivalište 50 x 22 m; mali bazen 10 x 25 m; edukacija plivanja 10 x 6 m; saune, caffe; garaža cca 100 PM; strojarnica izgrađenog bazena, fitness 800 m2 BRP 5.000 m2
Kontakt Direkcija za razvoj
Telefon 051 209 433
E-mail urban-razvoj@rijeka.hr
davor.samanic@rijeka.hr
SinCity May 5th, 2005, 02:33 AM Urban renewal of old industrial complex located on Rijeka waterfront into a commercial zone. Council backed initiative. There is quite a lot of waterfront renewal happening in the city of Rijeka. :)
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/22/7309991v.JPG
Postindustrijski kompleks; čine ga tri tvorničke hale i željeznička remiza
DPU u izradi.
Površina P cca 81.000 m2; postojeće hale ukupno: BRP 34.800 m2 i BRV 348.000 m3
Kontakt Direkcija za urbanizam i ekologiju
Telefon 051 209 443
E-mail urban-eko@rijeka.hr
srdan.skunca@rijeka.hr
Loads more to come for Rijeka @ a later date ..... :D
mic of Orion May 5th, 2005, 03:26 AM Urban renewal of old industrial complex located on Rijeka waterfront into a commercial zone. Council backed initiative. There is quite a lot of waterfront renewal happening in the city of Rijeka. :)
http://www.rijeka.hr/Slike/2004/01/22/7309991v.JPG
Postindustrijski kompleks; čine ga tri tvorničke hale i željeznička remiza
DPU u izradi.
Površina P cca 81.000 m2; postojeće hale ukupno: BRP 34.800 m2 i BRV 348.000 m3
Kontakt Direkcija za urbanizam i ekologiju
Telefon 051 209 443
E-mail urban-eko@rijeka.hr
srdan.skunca@rijeka.hr
Loads more to come for Rijeka @ a later date ..... :D
nice going Sin... :) :) :)
bubach_hlubach May 10th, 2005, 06:53 PM Shopping (city) centre in Kikovica - Grobnik near city of Rijeka : :)
Investment worth 100 million Euro which includes a shopping centre - 60 million Euro and road infrastructure - 40 million Euro.
Construction is gonna start this year and is expected to be done by the beginning of 2007.
- 205.000 square meters
- 2.300 parking places
- will employ a 1000 people
- the biggest shopping centre in this part of southern eastern Europe.
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/5/141658.jpg
http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?WCI=Rubrike&WCU=28612863285D2863285A28582858285D286328962897289E286328632859285C2859285E285D286028632863286328582863F
:cheers:
Grobnik on the map :
http://www.grobnik.com.hr/slike/mapa.jpg
p.s. is Rijeka surpassing Zagreb or i got something wrong? ;) :D
SinCity May 11th, 2005, 02:21 AM My goodness. Bubach you have done well to report on this one.
It looks like Rijeka will become the shopping mecca in our part of Europe. This is the third huge shopping centre released for construction in this city thereby giving it more of an edge over Zagreb which is a bigger city. :)
I'll see if I can get more info.
SinCity May 11th, 2005, 04:55 AM A project underway in the heart of central Rijeka which involves the construction of an 850 underground parking station which in turn is covered over by a pedestrian mall flagged by a series of buildings on either side.
The first 3 levels of the various buildings include retail at street level, followed by office in the first and second floors, capped by residential floors on top of this.
Ground floor retail/commercial area is 3.304 m2, and offices area is 8.720 m2. Total built area of the complex is 18.300 m2, 43.000 m2 with the garage.
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/site.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/wide.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/up1.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/down2.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/down1.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/down_steps.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/up_air.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/down_air%20.jpg
SinCity May 11th, 2005, 05:12 AM Hot on the heels of Zagreb, looks like Rijeka is giving our beloved capital a damn good run for its money :D
Anyway, this is the winning prize from a year or so ago on the Museum of Contemporary Arts - Rijeka .......
Architects: Randić-Turato
If Zagreb gets one .... then Rijeka must have one too :D .....
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/moma_side.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/01-maketa.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/moma_roof.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/moma_2_b_kat.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/moma_1Kat_st.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/moma_1Kat_novo.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/3d/moma_ulaz.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/tlocrti/moma_public.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/tlocrti/moma_exhibitions.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/muzej/tlocrti/moma_storage.jpg
SinCity May 11th, 2005, 05:19 AM BTW Bubach, that new shopping complex you announced is being built by Maurizio Zamparini who owns Palermo Football Club, he used to own Venezia soccer club previously. He has other projects in Zagreb, Osijek & Split. :)
SinCity May 11th, 2005, 05:23 AM New Rijeka Bus station & Library announced ....
http://www.index.hr/clanak.aspx?id=264597
long foot May 11th, 2005, 01:26 PM p.s. is Rijeka surpassing Zagreb or i got something wrong? ;) :D
Don't do this to me, you are making me jealous ;)
@Sincity, they still didn't start constuction of new museum in Rijeka.
2 years ago when this design was chosen there were many discution in Croatia about those 2 museums (Zagreb and Rijeka) and who should get it first and when construction in Zagreb started before Rijeka, people said "not again, everything is being built in Zagreb, nothing in Rijeka". People actualy expect that Croatian Government shoud build everithing in their cities: museums, schools, streets etc, but at the same time they want more decentralization...
You can't believe how strong is antagonism between Zagreb and provinces. :ohno:
bubach_hlubach May 11th, 2005, 06:59 PM My goodness. Bubach you have done well to report on this one.
It looks like Rijeka will become the shopping mecca in our part of Europe. This is the third huge shopping centre released for construction in this city thereby giving it more of an edge over Zagreb which is a bigger city. :)
I'll see if I can get more info.
Yeah, it was kind of weird that this stuff appeared in Novi List and no one reacted on that, even Vecernji List, Vjesnik and Dnevnik havent mentioned anything about it yet - i would say it's not their business ;)
I do like all new Rijeka projects, but gotta admit that for a moment i freaked out looking at the location of some projects...some are being built just a foot from the sea....it could be just me not being used to see such stuff blossoming near the sea ;) kontinentalac :D
bubach_hlubach May 11th, 2005, 07:08 PM Don't do this to me, you are making me jealous ;)
@Sincity, they still didn't start constuction of new museum in Rijeka.
2 years ago when this design was chosen there were many discution in Croatia about those 2 museums (Zagreb and Rijeka) and who should get it first and when construction in Zagreb started before Rijeka, people said "not again, everything is being built in Zagreb, nothing in Rijeka". People actualy expect that Croatian Government shoud build everithing in their cities: museums, schools, streets etc, but at the same time they want more decentralization...
You can't believe how strong is antagonism between Zagreb and provinces. :ohno:
That's correct LF.
I do not understand this antagonism between Zagreb and other cities either...it is not like citizens of ZG have to do something with decisions made by government.
I would call it a sindrom of inheritance from communism where everybody still expects too much from state to jump in and take care of everything. On the other hand people very often have no clue how much money actually goes from Zagreb to remote and such places.
long foot May 11th, 2005, 07:16 PM That's correct LF.
I do not understand this antagonism between Zagreb and other cities either...it is not like citizens of ZG have to do something with decisions made by government.
I would call it a sindrom of inheritance from communism where everybody still expects too much from state to jump in and take care of everything. On the other hand people very often have no clue how much money actually goes from Zagreb to remote and such places.
Građani Zagreba zapravo plaćaju najveće poreze i s obzirom na najjaču ekonomiju u Hrvatskoj najviše uplaćuju u državni proračun iz kojeg država, paradoksalno, najviše gradi i investira izvan Zagreba (autocest i željeznica su najbolji primjer). A cijelo vrijeme ekipa iz provincija se žali, kao "sve ode u Zagreb, a nama ništa". Ja sam potpuno nepristran u svemu tome jer sam živio i u Dalmaciji i u Zagrebu (ali nisam ni Zagrepčanin ni Dalmatinac) i mislim da previše neopravdanih kritika ide na račun Zagreba, a osobito njegovih građana.
bubach_hlubach May 11th, 2005, 07:54 PM ^^^ Takvo razmisljanje najvise dolazi iz gospodarski pasivnijih krajeva Lijepe nase, ali se i oni lagano trijezne. Predugo je vladalo ustaljeno misljenje da drzava treba otvarati radna mjesta i brinuti se za radnike. Drzava je jedino duzna stvoriti makroekonomsku stabilnost i sto je vise moguce pozitivno poslovno ozracje, i to je sve za sto se moze hvaliti ili kritizirati drzavu.
Kad mi netko pocne o tome cendrati samo mu spomenem Varazdin ili Bjelovar ;)
Spomenuo bih ja i Istru, ali oni unatoc velikom bogastvu, jos uvijek kukaju, nevjerovatno.
...Inace, najveci apsurd u odnosu Zagreba i ostalih krajeva proizlazi iz cinjenice da Zagrepcana ima najmanje u saborskim i inim foteljama :D
long foot May 11th, 2005, 08:26 PM A ni Bandić nije Zagrepčanin, već, znaš, moj čo'ek :D
long foot May 11th, 2005, 08:29 PM ^^^ Takvo razmisljanje najvise dolazi iz gospodarski pasivnijih krajeva Lijepe nase, ali se i oni lagano trijezne. Predugo je vladalo ustaljeno misljenje da drzava treba otvarati radna mjesta i brinuti se za radnike. Drzava je jedino duzna stvoriti makroekonomsku stabilnost i sto je vise moguce pozitivno poslovno ozracje, i to je sve za sto se moze hvaliti ili kritizirati drzavu.
Kad mi netko pocne o tome cendrati samo mu spomenem Varazdin ili Bjelovar ;)
Spomenuo bih ja i Istru, ali oni unatoc velikom bogastvu, jos uvijek kukaju, nevjerovatno.
Istrijani ne kukaju zbog ekonomije, već zbog nečeg sasvim drugog, pogotovo onaj dio Istrijana čija prezimena ne završavaju na -ić već na -ti, ali bolje da sad ne otvaram tu temu, daleko bismo otišli...
SinCity May 12th, 2005, 01:57 AM I think the problem lies in the middle. There is a degree of animosity towards Zagreb at times but in essence its jelousy, but hey Zagreb's always carried that degree of wealth and prosperity and like LF says, they pay more than their fair share of taxes.
Really, the regionally cities need to be more proactive. I know in Zadar's case a lot of potential investment was lost due to dodgey officals and the place stagnated for a while, but the Croatian government should also lend a hand and often enough they themselves are a bit complacent.
Zagreb is the capital city, it will always hog the limelight, but the other cities should be more proactive, otherwise they should replace their politicians or quit bitching.
I'm glad Rijeka seems to have a progressive local government, something that cant be said about Split considering its number 2 city and one of the most rebellious towards Zagreb :ohno:
bambam May 12th, 2005, 07:14 AM Ajme ljudi, pa zar stvarno mislite da je u drugim drzavama drugacije? Evo ja zivim u Münchenu, u nezavsnoj drzavi Bavarskoj. Zar stvarno mislite da se novci na sve regije i gradove u Bavarskoj ravnopravno slijeva? Ili kako je to u Austriji, Danskoj, Francuskoj, Engleskoj... ajme nema kraja toj listi. Da bi se to ukinilo trebo bi svaki grad ko kod starih grka proglasiti svoju Republiku. Sto se tice ekonomije... vi to dole neznate ali kao primjer u njemackoj je takva konkurencija medju gradovima da je to ludnica. Svi se sa svim sredstvima, financijski ili drugim obecanjima bore da dobiju novu investiciju ili da vec postojece "preduzece" nagovori da se preseli u drugi grad. Iako je to jedna drzava, mada federalna zbog povijesnih zbivanja nakon drugog svjetskog rata... tu nema milosti. Svako je za sebe odgovoran i svaka gradska vlas mora za svoj grad da brine. Nitko vam nece dati, morate traziti, biti cak i malo bezobrazni i naravno... no suvise lokalne vlasti gledaju na svoj dzep ili na svoje prijatelje ili frendove kojima ce radije prodati zemljiste da se napravi parkiraliste nego negi polovni toranj ili sta ti ja znam! Zato ste vi zaduzni da se takvi ljudi maknu ... koliko god oni bili slatki na jeziku! Kad se to desi i kad vec jednom prestanete stalno traziti krivca u Zagrebu, onda ce se i u Zadru, u Rijeci, u Splitu ... itd puno toga promjeniti! Eto u svakom slucaju nadam se da mi necete zamjerovati koju gresku u pravopisu ... puno lijepih pozdrava svima u forumu :cheers:
long foot May 12th, 2005, 10:22 AM Ajme ljudi, pa zar stvarno mislite da je u drugim drzavama drugacije? Evo ja zivim u Münchenu, u nezavsnoj drzavi Bavarskoj. Zar stvarno mislite da se novci na sve regije i gradove u Bavarskoj ravnopravno slijeva? Ili kako je to u Austriji, Danskoj, Francuskoj, Engleskoj... ajme nema kraja toj listi. Da bi se to ukinilo trebo bi svaki grad ko kod starih grka proglasiti svoju Republiku. Sto se tice ekonomije... vi to dole neznate ali kao primjer u njemackoj je takva konkurencija medju gradovima da je to ludnica. Svi se sa svim sredstvima, financijski ili drugim obecanjima bore da dobiju novu investiciju ili da vec postojece "preduzece" nagovori da se preseli u drugi grad. Iako je to jedna drzava, mada federalna zbog povijesnih zbivanja nakon drugog svjetskog rata... tu nema milosti. Svako je za sebe odgovoran i svaka gradska vlas mora za svoj grad da brine. Nitko vam nece dati, morate traziti, biti cak i malo bezobrazni i naravno... no suvise lokalne vlasti gledaju na svoj dzep ili na svoje prijatelje ili frendove kojima ce radije prodati zemljiste da se napravi parkiraliste nego negi polovni toranj ili sta ti ja znam! Zato ste vi zaduzni da se takvi ljudi maknu ... koliko god oni bili slatki na jeziku! Kad se to desi i kad vec jednom prestanete stalno traziti krivca u Zagrebu, onda ce se i u Zadru, u Rijeci, u Splitu ... itd puno toga promjeniti! Eto u svakom slucaju nadam se da mi necete zamjerovati koju gresku u pravopisu ... puno lijepih pozdrava svima u forumu :cheers:
Grješku, sinko, grješku :D
bambam May 12th, 2005, 11:59 AM ajme ... oprosti :bash: eto tako ti se to desi kad nikad nisi pohadjo nasu skolu ... nemoj mi zamjeriti :)
long foot May 12th, 2005, 12:08 PM ^^^Ma zezam se čovječe, ta grješka je obična lakrdija, nemaj brige. U zadnje se vrijeme u Hrvatskoj vode teške rasprave o tome je li ispravno greška ili gješka, zato sam to napisao.
bubach_hlubach May 17th, 2005, 12:01 AM ^ Ako cemo po korijenskom pravopisu, onda bi tocno bilo 'grieska' :D
Kommandant Mark May 17th, 2005, 12:06 AM Hrvatska tisucljetna historija, od Irana do Balkana;)
Bambam, dobro kazes..tako je to na zapadu, pa i ovde u Kanadi.
Non-stop se gradovi takmice...evo , zadnje je bilo, Toronto vs. Montreal, u kom gradu ce kompanije Bombardier sagraditi novu fabriku za proizvodnju njihovog najnovijeg C-Series aviona sa 110-130 sedista.
Montreal je dobio:(
bubach_hlubach May 17th, 2005, 12:10 AM Rijeka is expanding its port for the lenght of 250 meters; in order to avoid possible collapse caused by a drastic increase of port traffic...
http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?WCI=Rubrike&WCU=2859285E2863285D2863285A28582858285D286328962897289E286328632859285C285A285E285E285A28632863286328592863T
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/5/142662.jpg
...Rijeka rulez!!! :cheers:
:)
bubach_hlubach May 20th, 2005, 08:26 PM SVE SE BRŽE PODIŽE ZGRADA BUDUĆEG TRGOVAČKO-POSLOVNOG CENTRA NA PEĆINAMA.
Do kraja srpnja treća etaža Tower Centra
Na trećoj su etaži budući shopping centar, kino-dvorane, fitness centar, restorani i slični sadržaji te nadzemne garaže. Najavljeno intenziviranje građevinskih radova....
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/5/143368.jpg
http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?WCI=Rubrike&WCU=285A28582863285D2863285A28582858285D2863287A2871286328632859285C285B285B285E286028632863286328592863B
OettingerCroat May 29th, 2005, 06:00 PM :applause: WOW rijeka is really expanding too! It'll look like Rotterdam soon!
our beloved croatia is like Dubai! :laugh: well maybe not, but essentially it is!
OettingerCroat June 2nd, 2005, 02:11 AM Rijeka city council is planning a number of new stations (purple) on the existing rail corridors, hence forming a suburban rail network for the city. Part of the line passes underground. In addition to upgrades of major highways and motorways passing in and around the city .....
http://www.rijeka.hr/Download/2004/02/25/Promet.jpg
brza gradska zeljeznica... jeli to tramvaj? to bi bilo odlicno da se u Rijeci gradi nova lagana zeljeznica za tramvaje
p.s. was this last sentence written poorly?
bubach_hlubach June 2nd, 2005, 02:44 AM brza gradska zeljeznica... jeli to tramvaj? to bi bilo odlicno da se u Rijeci gradi nova lagana zeljeznica za tramvaje
p.s. was this last sentence written poorly?
Nope, not at all! You made few smaller mistakes though, but I could easily understand it :)
This would be correct :' brza gradska zeljeznica...je li to tramvaj? Bilo bi odlicno da se u Rijeci sagradi nova laka zeljeznica za tramvaje' :)
SinCity June 2nd, 2005, 04:04 AM His Croatian isnt too bad .... unlike my terrible attempts LOL ;)
In regards to the Rijeka rail project. Its to use and re-adapt the existing heavy rail lines that pass thru Rijeka with the construction of several new stations. This is something they are seriously considering with population growth and traffic in Rijeka city centre and suburbs. Similar to Zagreb's suburban rail network. I believe one of the new projects of the Končar group is the eventual use of Croatian built suburban trains for use on Zagreb and similar suburban rail networks. :)
OettingerCroat June 2nd, 2005, 05:42 AM ne, ja sam zbilja mislio "gradi" ne "sagradi."
ja mislim da "gradi" znaci da se sada ovaj trenutak gradi, kao "danas se gradi," a sagradi znaci kao, "da se jednog dana sagradi"
ipak ja nisam bas totalno za baciti! :colgate:
My English is perfect, cause i was born and grew up in San Francisco.
Hrvatski mi je mozda 95% posto pravilan (je li "pravilan" srpska rijec ili hrvatska? jeli "tocan" hrvatski? ista stvar kao licna karta i osobna karta)
Speaking of "je li," I KNEW it would have been "je li," not "jeli"! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: i speak croatian at home, and we all talk so fast, that it just comes out as "jeli" :laugh: i also thought "laka" was incorrect, so by instinct i put down "lagana" :laugh:
oh, i thought the laka zeljeznica was a tramway system... Lemme ask you 4 questions, sincity, based on your experience with construction in Croatia:
what are the SERIOUS chances that a tramway system will be put into Rijeka?
what are the SERIOUS chances for Split?
how soon will Osijek SERIOUSLY get some new lines AND/OR trams?
How soon will Zagreb's DAYTIME tramway system SERIOUSLY be completely retrofitted with the new 2200 trams?
not trying to be mean with the big letters, just makin sure you saw it :colgate:
SinCity June 2nd, 2005, 06:27 AM 1) what are the SERIOUS chances that a tramway system will be put into Rijeka?
2) what are the SERIOUS chances for Split?
3) how soon will Osijek SERIOUSLY get some new lines AND/OR trams?
4) How soon will Zagreb's DAYTIME tramway system SERIOUSLY be completely retrofitted with the new 2200 trams?
1) 50% - because there was once tramways in this city and the new TMK2200 will be pushed as an alternative public transport model. The only thing against it is the traffic conditions in Rijeka city centre. It will be restricted to the flat parts of Rijeka and there is the problem of narrow twisted streets to contend with.
2) 50% - same reason as with Rijeka
3) 100% - Existing tram network in Osijek requires expansion and upgrade of vehicles and routes. The city budget will play a major part as to when this will be done.
4) Zagreb will get 70 complete sets of trams over the next 3 years which will replace around 1/3 of vehicles (I'm guessing). There will continue to be upgrades regularly to the rest of the fleet after that along with new lines.
bubach_hlubach June 2nd, 2005, 06:32 AM ne, ja sam zbilja mislio "gradi" ne "sagradi."
ja mislim da "gradi" znaci da se sada ovaj trenutak gradi, kao "danas se gradi," a sagradi znaci kao, "da se jednog dana sagradi"
Mozes slobodno reci 'da se gradi', ali konkretno u ovom slucaju 'sagradi' ili 'izgradi' zvuci bolje :)
Hrvatski mi je mozda 95% posto pravilan (je li "pravilan" srpska rijec ili hrvatska? jeli "tocan" hrvatski? ista stvar kao licna karta i osobna karta)
Hrvatski ti je naprotiv jako jako dobar, rekao bih da ti je pravilan 99 posto :)
'Pravilan' se koristi u Hrvatskoj, a mislim da se ista rijec koristi i u Srbiji.
'Tocan' 'Tocno' 'Tocna' je hrvatska rijec, Srbi kazu 'tacan' 'tacna' 'tacno'.
Izraz 'licna karta' se je koristio u bivsoj Jugoslaviji, danas samo u Srbiji, a mozda i u Bosni, iako nisam ziher za Bosnu. U Hrvatskoj se to zove osobna iskaznica :)
Speaking of "je li," I KNEW it would have been "je li," not "jeli"! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: i speak croatian at home, and we all talk so fast, that it just comes out as "jeli" :laugh: i also thought "laka" was incorrect, so by instinct i put down "lagana" :laugh:
'Laka' i 'lagana' imaju slicno, ali i ne nuzno potpuno uvijek isto znacenje. Sve ovisi u kojem kontekstu ih rabis, za to moras imati njuh i uho :D
Napr. Laka zenska je ona koju se da lako nagovoriti na one 'zloceste' stvari.
Dok lagana zenska bi bila ona koja ima manjak kila lol :D
SinCity June 2nd, 2005, 07:30 AM Preko Rijeke i oprema za Olimpijske igre 2008.
Prednost riječke luke pred konkurencijom, Koprom, Trstom i Venecijom, ponajprije je u tome što iz Kine do Rijeke brod plovi 24 dana, dok u Kopar stiže najmanje dan kasnije.
RIJEKA – Riječka bi luka, kako se moglo ovih dana čuti u razgovorima kineskih i hrvatskih gospodarstvenika, mogla postati glavna europska luka za kinesku robu.
Od 60.000 kontejnera, koliko ih je kroz riječku luku prošlo u 2004., trećina je, njih 20.000, došla iz Kine. Riječ je uglavnom o robi za zemlje bivše Jugoslavije, ponajprije za Srbiju i Crnu Goru, ali i za Mađarsku i Slovačku. Poslovni odnosi između riječke luke i Kine uspostavljeni su davne 1969., a uspješno su obnovljeni prije dvije godine kad su jaki svjetski kontejnerski operateri uključili Rijeku u redovite brodske linije s Japanom, Južnom Korejom i Kinom.
Prednost riječke luke pred konkurencijom, Koprom, Trstom i Venecijom, ponajprije je u tome što iz Kine do Rijeke brod plovi 24 dana, dok u Kopar stiže najmanje dan kasnije jer prethodno iskrcava robu u Rijeci. Također, Rijeka je u prednosti i pred sjevernoeuropskim lukama, primjerice pred Hamburgom i Rotterdamom, jer do njih treba ploviti još najmanje pet dana. S obzirom na to da dan plovidbe košta brodara oko 20.000 kuna, ta je ušteda i te kako važna.
Riječka luka posljednjih je godina modernizirana pa sada pruža tehničke usluge na svjetskoj razini, a cijenom je vrlo konkurentna. Sve to govori da riječka luka ima izglede postati vodećom u ovom dijelu Europe za dalekoistočnu robu, prije svega za kinesku, a tek onda korejsku, koja bi tek trebala pristizati u većim količinama, što je korejski Samsung obećao prije nekoliko godina kad je u riječkom lučkom bazenu instalirao svoju prekrcajnu opremu.
Trenutačno preko Rijeke iz Južne Koreje dolazi određena količina uglavnom tehničke robe, a očekuje se da će preko naše najveće luke doći i oprema za gradnju tvornica tvrtki KIA i Hundai u Istočnoj Europi.
Otkako je Slovenija članica Europske unije, preko Rijeke je iz Kopra preusmjerena gotovo sva kineska roba za Srbiju i Crnu Goru, koja je sada samo u tranzitu kroz Hrvatsku. Za gradnju distribucijskog centra kineske robe za Istočnu Europu na Kukuljanovu nedaleko od Rijeke zanimanje su odavno pokazale mnoge susjedne nam zemlje, posebice Mađarska.
Riječka se luka u minule dvije godine pokazala kao kvalitetan partner za prihvat kineske robe, a njeno poslovodstvo računa da će se preko Rijeke za Kinu otpremati i veće količine europske opreme za gradnju sportskih borilišta na kojima će se održati Olimpijada 2008.
O tome će se možda već ovih dana na Sajmu transporta u Münchenu čelnici riječke luke dogovoriti s kineskim poslovnim partnerima. Naime, najveći dio opreme za Olimpijadu Kinezi su već kupili u Europi, ponajviše u Njemačkoj. S obzirom na to da politika nerijetko utire put trgovačkim odnosima, posjet hrvatskog premijera Ive Sanadera Kini ohrabrujući je za cjelokupnu hrvatsku privredu, posebice za riječku luku koja s Kinom surađuje gotovo 35 godina.
Kad se, na primjer, kaže da je Rijeka povezana s jednom kineskom lukom, onda treba imati na umu da je na tu luku vezana neka od tamošnjih pokrajina s pedesetak milijuna stanovnika. Tako su u riječkoj luci boravili predstavnici kineskoga lučkoga grada Shenzena, udaljenog 30-ak kilometara od Hong Konga, koji na godinu ostvari promet od 60 milijuna tona tereta i više od pet milijuna kontejnera.
To govori o snazi poslovnih partnera riječke luke. Luka Rijeka u prvih pet mjeseci ove godine ostvarila je promet od 30.000 kontejnera, što je gotovo 10.000 više nego lani u istom razdoblju, pa sada računa na godišnji promet veći od 70.000 kontejnera.
SinCity June 2nd, 2005, 08:46 AM I'm actually impressed with the Port of Rijeka, considering its fast becoming one of Europe's major ports, even ahead of Rotterdam and Hamburg. :yes:
OettingerCroat June 3rd, 2005, 02:52 AM ehhh, thats a very optimistic statement, no matter how much i love croatia... if you dont mind (im requesting a lot lately, and i thank you for answering :colgate: ) could you rank europe's ports in order of importance at 2010?
Sarajka June 3rd, 2005, 03:14 AM ^ You can apply for the summer Olympics. Sarajevo gives you permission. We want the Winter Olympics, so real competition like the cities of Croatia cannot participate in those bids. ;)
Browsing through the thread, great stuff by the way! :) Rijeka is gorgeous.
SinCity June 3rd, 2005, 03:31 AM Thanks Mila! :)
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 04:46 AM :)
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 04:47 AM Mike, if you are around...you could tell us what is the current GDP PPP of the city of Rijeka :)
p.s. I know ;)
Sarajka June 3rd, 2005, 04:50 AM ^ Awww...and you Croatians are just as wonderful. ;) I should know, I married one.
You know...I did met one Croatian idiot in Dubrovnik. And even he was complimentary. I was at a cafe, and he approached.
- You're from Bosnia aren't you?
"Yes, how'd you know?"
- The accent. And you said Selam to that girl.
"Hehehe...(what the hell do you want face)"
- So you're Muslim then?
"(A little defensive) Yes, why?"
- No reason, we don't get enough beautiful girls down here from the Sandzak these days.
...? :D Sarajevo, Sandzak, SiCG? Ookay... :D
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 05:15 AM Mike, if you are around...you could tell us what is the current GDP PPP of the city of Rijeka :)
p.s. I know ;)
Bubach, whatever someone says about PPP, (I hate this term, lol) PPP for Rijeka is the same as for Croatia I am afraid it goes with the terminology cose of the standardisation of economic principle or better know as common denominator.
It would be great if you could say Rijeka is better than Osijek, or Zadar, but this is not the case in any of the cities, (yes common denominators, lol) But hey look o a bright side, if some bozo in Croatia (newsperson -journalist) decided to say Rijeka has highest PPP in Croatia you'd know he is f***g twat and knows nothing, lol....
:hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 05:23 AM Bubach, whatever someone says about PPP, (I hate this term, lol) PPP for Rijeka is the same as for Croatia I am afraid it goes with the terminology cose of the standardisation of economic principle or better know as common denominator.
It would be great if you could say Rijeka is better than Osijek, or Zadar, but this is not the case in any of the cities, (yes common denominators, lol) But hey look o a bright side, if some bozo in Croatia (newsperson -journalist) decided to say Rijeka has highest PPP in Croatia you'd know he is f***g twat and knows nothing, lol....
:hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious :hilarious
Okay, lets forget PPP figures then since they irritate you so much and i dont like them either. And lets talk about a nominal GDP or productivity per head. What do you think the GDP of Rijeka might be ? :)
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 05:33 AM Okay, lets forget PPP figures then since they irritate you so much and i dont like them either. And lets talk about a nominal GDP or productivity per head. What do you think the GDP of Rijeka might be ? :) Is it greater Rijeka? ( I estimate population 250 000) if this is the case, 12 800US$ PHA if 225 000 than 14 220 US$, cose GDP is 3.200 million US$.
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 05:55 AM Is it greater Rijeka? ( I estimate population 250 000) if this is the case, 12 800US$ PHA if 225 000 than 14 220 US$, cose GDP is 3.200 million US$.
Eh, does greater Rijeka also include Opatija? Because Opatija itself only has a frickin high GDP lol but it dont matter anyway. You got the correct info on the GDP again - I've read Rijeka reached $13 200 :)
How about Istria, what is their GDP if you happen to know it? (As far as i know it should be either like Zagreb or even higher) :)
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 06:07 AM Eh, does greater Rijeka also include Opatija? Because Opatija itself only has a frickin high GDP lol but it dont matter anyway. You got the correct info on the GDP again - I've read Rijeka reached $13 200 :)
How about Istria, what is their GDP if you happen to know it? (As far as i know it should be either like Zagreb or even higher) :)
No it is way lower, only 11 000US$ they only produce output of 2.200 million US$ with population of 200 000. Rijeka is much wealthier than Istria, Zagreb is wealthiest. Sorry to disappoint you :-(
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 06:21 AM No it is way lower, only 11 000US$ they only produce output of 2.200 million US$ with population of 200 000. Rijeka is much wealthier than Istria, Zagreb is wealthiest. Sorry to disappoint you :-(
Oh come on, why would i be disappointed cuz of that :)
But i do think you might be very wrong about Istria.
Istria makes around 2.2 billion dollars only from tourism. What about some other huge companies and shipyards like Uljanik (which is btw one of the most profitable shipyards in Croatia so far), then Rovinj Tabbaco Factory, Digitron from Buje, and many many others small and medium sized companies even from continental Istria that export a lot of goods. :)
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 06:25 AM Oh come on, why would i be disappointed cuz of that :)
But i do think you might be very wrong about Istria.
Istria makes around 2.2 billion dollars only from tourism. What about some other huge companies and shipyards like Uljanik (which is btw one of the most profitable shipyards in Croatia so far), then Rovinj Tabbaco Factory, Digitron from Buje, and many many others small and medium sized companies even from continental Istria that export a lot of goods. :)
Well GDP is not as simple as that to calculate, it is way complex process to simplify to you here, but trust me it is only 2.2 Bn US$, I wouldn't lie to you pr made thinks up, I would love it to be over 5$BN but it is not.
SinCity June 3rd, 2005, 06:44 AM ^ Awww...and you Croatians are just as wonderful. ;) I should know, I married one.
You know...I did met one Croatian idiot in Dubrovnik. And even he was complimentary. I was at a cafe, and he approached.
- You're from Bosnia aren't you?
"Yes, how'd you know?"
- The accent. And you said Selam to that girl.
"Hehehe...(what the hell do you want face)"
- So you're Muslim then?
"(A little defensive) Yes, why?"
- No reason, we don't get enough beautiful girls down here from the Sandzak these days.
...? :D Sarajevo, Sandzak, SiCG? Ookay... :D
I'm glad you enjoy your visits to Croatia, even at the hands of yokels like the one above LOL. :)
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 06:47 AM Well GDP is not as simple as that to calculate, it is way complex process to simplify to you here, but trust me it is only 2.2 Bn US$, I wouldn't lie to you pr made thinks up, I would love it to be over 5$BN but it is not.
I would love it to be $50Bn, but hell yeah..it is not! :D lol
Take a look at this ;)
http://img208.echo.cx/img208/2024/capture0148rg.jpg
Istria (2004) - population = 200.000
- exports = 920 million US Dollars
Zagreb (2004) - population = 800.000
- exports = 3.5 billion US Dollars
Here I didnt add aditional 2 billion USD that Istria earns from tourism per year.
:cheers:
SinCity June 3rd, 2005, 07:11 AM Bubach, that will make your "Istrian" friend happy. :D
OettingerCroat June 3rd, 2005, 07:12 AM Hrvatski ti je naprotiv jako jako dobar, rekao bih da ti je pravilan 99 posto :)
'Pravilan' se koristi u Hrvatskoj, a mislim da se ista rijec koristi i u Srbiji.
'Tocan' 'Tocno' 'Tocna' je hrvatska rijec, Srbi kazu 'tacan' 'tacna' 'tacno'.
Izraz 'licna karta' se je koristio u bivsoj Jugoslaviji, danas samo u Srbiji, a mozda i u Bosni, iako nisam ziher za Bosnu. U Hrvatskoj se to zove osobna iskaznica :)
da, znam da se Licna Karta upotrebljavala u bivsoj Jugosliaviji, to su svi panduri govorili... tipicne srpske pizdarije :laugh:
ali moramo priznati, Licna Karta je puno jednostavinje reci nego Osobna Izkaznica. nije tesko reci, ali nije prakticno.
(sljedeci paragraph ce biti los)
jedan put moj prijatelj je bijo u Mali Losinj za vrijeme Jugoslavije, i bijo se ljubijo ispod nekog hrasta s curom (ja bi sada bijo na pisao "sa curom," ali to je 100% pod Srpski), i evo dode pandur i vikajuci, pita obojicu za licnu kartu. ovaj moj prijatelj ne zivi u hrvatskoj niti ima pasos, a pogotovo ne licnu kartu. On govori hrvatski i engleski, i dosta je pametan bijo da NISTA nije rekao kad je pandur dosao. Cura iz Rijeke je to sve sredila, zato jer otac od prijateljice je bijo Direktor policije u Malom Losinju.
nije previse vazno ali je interesantno :colgate:
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 07:17 AM I would love it to be $50Bn, but hell yeah..it is not! :D lol
Take a look at this ;)
http://img208.echo.cx/img208/2024/capture0148rg.jpg
Istria (2004) - population = 200.000
- exports = 920 million US Dollars
Zagreb (2004) - population = 800.000
- exports = 3.5 billion US Dollars
Here I didnt add aditional 2 billion USD that Istria earns from tourism per year.
:cheers:
Ok let me give you some idea - want go to deep how you come to GDP statistics, as it would take to long, and I'm not in mood to give you or anyone else an economics lecture....
GDP is derived from overall output of the entire state, (region , city, and so on), it cumulative output of the state, in one given term, this output is measured how effective it is on population of one say region/country and how this effects contribute to overall picture of economic base.
Example, say Istria exports 920 million US$ worth of exports, now of this 920 million US$ how much did this was spent in Croatia? Say raw materials, workforce, pays, taxes, export taxes, insurance and so on!
Now if say 50% of 920 million had to be spent on importing raw materials, than automatically this is no more beneficiary to the region or state as it didn't contribute with the output of the state but rather the opposite, we needed to spend money to get this raw material for our exports. Ok, now that 50% is gone (it is out of GDP calculations) we have to calculate how this remaining 50% is spent and where, now if we need to pay for electricity, transport, workforce and so on to use this raw (manufacture) material and create exports we are contributing to the GDP cose spending money at home, but if we hire foreign firms to do all this work than we are outsourcing this service and only small fraction ends up in our GDP calculations, now if we used components towards our final exports and all where made in Croatia (manufacturing, marketing, design, accountancy and so on) than we are again benefiting the economy, but if they where outsourced than we are not. So of this 920 million we also need to include tax which state collects, CIF tax which is Cost fright and Insurance, and we need to include pays for the workforce which contributes to the GDP, all this elements are important, when you calculate them you find out much of it dose not really contribute to the GDP overall picture, I think 920 million US$ of export by Istria would probably bring only, 250-300 million US$ worth of GDP to Istria and I am now being very generous.
And this formula is used for everything, and this is how you come to the GDP figures for one region state and so on... It is painstakingly slow and very arduous work. Hope you now get the picture.... lol, Sorry don't want to sound like an asshole, quite the opposite, hope I didn't offend anyone here...
My estimates for Croatian GDP thus derive from all this research and trends. Just to tell you I am not economist, I did study economics but I didn't took calling to be an economist, (OK I worked for 6 moths with major bank in London as an Economic Analyst - Emerging Markets) I primarily work in Media and Journalism, I prefer it more.
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 07:20 AM Bubach, that will make your "Istrian" friend happy. :D
OMG, SinCity! This is the second time you are calling out his name..geee, if he appears here again, how are we gonna ever get rid of him? :runaway:
:D
Seriously guys, we have to admit that Istria kicks ass, and that is not something we should be ashamed of, but something to be very proud of! :)
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 07:31 AM OMG, SinCity! This is the second time you are calling out his name..geee, if he appears here again, how are we gonna ever get rid of him? :runaway:
:D
Seriously guys, we have to admit that Istria kicks ass, and that is not something we should be ashamed of, but something to be very proud of! :)
lol, Bubach, it is great , I love Istria, it is one of my favourite places in Croatia. Sorry with all this economics mumble jumble, but you asked for it, lol.
PS, thanx for the PM and it si great idea.....
bubach_hlubach June 3rd, 2005, 07:53 AM Ok let me give you some idea - want go to deep how you come to GDP as it would take to long, and I'm not in kind of mood to give you or anyone else an economics lecture....
GDP is derived from overall output of the entire state, region , city, and so on, it cumulative output of the state, in one give term, this output is measured how effective it is on population of one say region/country and how this effects contribute to overall picture of economic base.
Example, say Istria exports 920 million US$ worth of exports, now of this 920 million US$ how much did this was spent in Croatia, say raw materials, workforce, pays, taxes, export taxes, insurance and so on.
Now if say 50% of this 920 million had to be spent on importing raw materials, than automatically this is no more beneficiary to the region or state as it didn't contribute with the output of the state but rather the opposite, we needed to spend money to get this raw material for our exports. Ok, now that 50% is gone we have to calculate how this remaining 50% is spent and where, now if we need to pay for electricity, transport, workforce and so on to use this raw material and create exports we are contributing to the GDP cose spending money at home, but if we hire foreign firms to do all this work than we are outsourcing this service and only small fraction ends up in our GDP calculations, now if we used components towards our final exports and all where made in Croatia (manufacturing, marketing, design, accountancy and so on) than we are again benefiting the economy, but if they where outsourced than we are not. So of this 920 million we also need to include tax which state collects, CIF tax which is Cost fright and Insurance, and we need to include pays for the workforce which contributes to the GDP, all this elements are important, when you calculate them you find out much of it dose not really contribute to the GDP overall picture, I think 920 million US$ of export by Istria would probably bring only, 250-300 million US$ worth of GDP to Istria and I am now being very generous.
And this formula is used for everything, and this is how you come to the GDP figures for one region state and so on... It is painstakingly slow and very arduous work. Hope you now get the picture.... lol, Sorry don't want to sound like an asshole, quite the opposite, hope I didn't offend anyone here...
Mike, why do you keep apologizing? Just sit back and relax. :) I am actually really happy that i can talk about Croatian economy with somebody here. :)
It's not about a competition, but about sharing informations and learning new stuff, right? Right! :) I am very grateful when you or somebody else answers my questions here, you cant see it on my face cuz you simply cant see my face lol, but know that that feeling is here :) So dont feel bad next time, okay ? If we disagree on some views then we will talk about it..that is what discussions are for :)
Back to work..
I just wanted to compare the economies of Istria and Zagreb as two separate regions providing relevant data for each. I am not talking about their GDP. My conclusion after all is that Istria has a lot healthier economy than Zagreb. Istria has a deficit of only 18 million USD with the same rate of export per head, and for Zagreb to be like Istria should have a deficit of a 100 million USD at the most, not 4-5 billion USD.
Do you understand what i am talking about ? :)
p.s. I am just being realistic and very proud of Istria as one of Croatian healthiest economy! If just a half of our country was like that, we would be all set!!! The truth is here :)
SinCity June 3rd, 2005, 08:17 AM OMG, SinCity! This is the second time you are calling out his name..geee, if he appears here again, how are we gonna ever get rid of him? :runaway:
:D
Seriously guys, we have to admit that Istria kicks ass, and that is not something we should be ashamed of, but something to be very proud of! :)
OK, I promise not to make it a 3rd time. You know what they say about calling out the devils name a third time round involving superstition LOL :devil:
mic of Orion June 3rd, 2005, 08:18 AM Mike, why do you keep apologizing? Just sit back and relax. :) I am actually really happy that i can talk about Croatian economy with somebody here. :)
It's not about a competition, but about sharing informations and learning new stuff, right? Right! :) I am very grateful when you or somebody else answers my questions here, you cant see it on my face cuz you simply cant see my face lol, but know that that feeling is here :) So dont feel bad next time, okay ? If we disagree on some views then we will talk about it..that is what discussions are for :)
Back to work..
I just wanted to compare the economies of Istria and Zagreb as two separate regions providing relevant data for each. I am not talking about their GDP. My conclusion after all is that Istria has a lot healthier economy than Zagreb. Istria has a deficit of only 18 million USD with the same rate of export per head, and for Zagreb to be like Istria should have a deficit of a 100 million USD at the most, not 4-5 billion USD.
Do you understand what i am talking about ? :)
p.s. I am just being realistic and very proud of Istria as one of Croatian healthiest economy! If just a half of our country was like that, we would be all set!!! The truth is here :)
Yhea I think I know what you on about, is it exports? Surplus and deficit (in red) in overseas trade.
I'll tell you something, don't take to the hart, (nothing personal) just pure economics, If I can get for paper which I have plenty of, a new car, new plane, new computer or even a piece of bread than I am in advantage, cose only what I needed to do was produce a pepper (money). Now this is not the best way of securing economic stability but anyone who can do it for very long time successfully is doing a brilliant job, cose for less you get more. Any economist would agree with this connotation, but there is a catch, Croatia needs to start exporting more if it where to consolidate its account balance and recover some of the money lost due to the huge imports, debt and interest payments on this foreign debt.
I can ce where you coming when you say Istria pretty much covers its imports with its exports and this is great, it should be like that for rest of the country, but if economy is still in transitional stage (which Croatia still is) than it will take a bit more time for the country to adjust to export strategy, but I do think by 2010 Croatia will and should start to be major exporter and coverage of imports by exports would be more than pleasing...
But all this takes time and we'll ce how all this develops over next few years...
And amount of exports one region does, not amount to the development of that region or country as to indicate better living standards or economic performance it only indicated that particular region is good at exporting and has developed local industry geared for exports. Example Tiger economies of 80's and 90's most of the area, actually all of them are poorer than Croatia, and they export more than import about 2 to 3 times. What does it tell you, it only proves my point. Economical growth depends on exports true, but also (even more so) on internal investment (inward investment) FDI (Foreign Direct Investment) consumption and manufacturing as well as active participation of populace.
Economics are strange beast, nobody can predict it with absolute accuracy (if they did they'd be trillionaires, lol). And field has so many alternate thinking you'd think religion was complex, you seen nothing yet, I studied my economics course for first 3 years at Uni I was none the wiser when I finished, even my professor got it wrong on more than one occasion.
It just shows you, all you need it is very good analytical brain and you'll figure out most of the things, lol, well some of at least... :) :)
PS ----
Sin City can you clear you inbox cose it is full and I can't send you more PM's which reminds me I need to do the same, lol
bubach_hlubach June 4th, 2005, 06:38 AM Mike, it is not that only Istria covers its imports with exports, but many other Croatian cities and towns do as well. For example Osijek hasnt ever had trade deficit, and you know how Osijek is being poorly ranked in Croatia.
Zagreb and the county of Zagreb are kind of cancer for Croatian economy in terms of trading deficit. Dont get me wrong, Zagreb does export quite a lot and exports are drastically growing, but at the same time it imports way way way too much. Zagreb's and its county's deficit makes almost 70% of Croatian trading deficit - this must be stopped! The only region that acts like Zagreb is Dubrovnik which hardly has any industry, but Dubrovnik can afford it because its imports are being covered pretty much with a large number of tourists.
:)
@SinCity, I know all of us like to have some privacy sometimes, but pliz empty your mailbox :) hehe
OettingerCroat June 4th, 2005, 07:22 AM @SinCity, I know all of us like to have some privacy sometimes, but pliz empty your mailbox :) hehe
THANK YOU BUBACH, i tried to get his attention on multiple occasions, but i failed :bash:
and bubach, ur english is perfect! i've still not noticed a mistake!
tvoj engleski je bolji nego moj hrvatski, ako je moj hrvatski 99%, onda tvoj engleski mora biti 99.9% ili bolje :colgate:
long foot June 4th, 2005, 08:35 AM Zagreb's and its county's deficit makes almost 70% of Croatian trading deficit - this must be stopped!
I will have to stop buying Slovenian Barcaffe (i will buy only Frank's) http://www.forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif
OettingerCroat June 4th, 2005, 03:29 PM Barcaffe is Slovenian? How come Oliver Dragojevic is singin in the commerical?
long foot June 4th, 2005, 05:38 PM Barcaffe is Slovenian? How come Oliver Dragojevic is singin in the commerical?
I guess they paid him for that ;) It is the best coffee in the world! :)
bubach_hlubach June 4th, 2005, 07:57 PM THANK YOU BUBACH, i tried to get his attention on multiple occasions, but i failed :bash:
and bubach, ur english is perfect! i've still not noticed a mistake!
tvoj engleski je bolji nego moj hrvatski, ako je moj hrvatski 99%, onda tvoj engleski mora biti 99.9% ili bolje :colgate:
Ohh thanks :) Although, speaking of my English, i would say that i am even better at making up new English grammar :D
p.s. I am in the States (Michigan) and been living there now for two years. It's funny to see how my German still interferes with my English sometimes :) hehe
bubach_hlubach June 4th, 2005, 08:01 PM I will have to stop buying Slovenian Barcaffe (i will buy only Frank's) http://www.forum.hr/images/smilies/kava.gif
hahaha, this kind of attitude sounds very well known to me ;)
I can see you have already adjusted at forum.hr quite well :D
long foot June 4th, 2005, 08:06 PM I visit them sometimes, but level of discution is very low there. I like thier smilies :D
bubach_hlubach June 4th, 2005, 08:24 PM Yes, you are right, it is really low and messy, most discussions wether is it about economy or regions and towns, all you can see are pointless political arguments and insults. Extremely pathetic. Not to mention political threads which are total circus with zero tolerance.
OettingerCroat June 5th, 2005, 02:31 AM p.s. I am in the States (Michigan) and been living there now for two years. It's funny to see how my German still interferes with my English sometimes :) hehe
I had no idea you live in Michigan... Where in Michigan? I like michigan, its a Democrat Stronghold!
how come it says you live in Zagreb-Zabreg?
btw, i always liked that easy-going song Oliver sings about Barcaffe... typical relaxed Dalmatinac style... and its a completly pointless song; thats the best part! :colgate:
pobesnelizmaj June 5th, 2005, 02:16 PM da, znam da se Licna Karta upotrebljavala u bivsoj Jugosliaviji, to su svi panduri govorili... tipicne srpske pizdarije :laugh:
ali moramo priznati, Licna Karta je puno jednostavinje reci nego Osobna Izkaznica. nije tesko reci, ali nije prakticno.
(sljedeci paragraph ce biti los)
jedan put moj prijatelj je bijo u Mali Losinj za vrijeme Jugoslavije, i bijo se ljubijo ispod nekog hrasta s curom (ja bi sada bijo na pisao "sa curom," ali to je 100% pod Srpski), i evo dode pandur i vikajuci, pita obojicu za licnu kartu. ovaj moj prijatelj ne zivi u hrvatskoj niti ima pasos, a pogotovo ne licnu kartu. On govori hrvatski i engleski, i dosta je pametan bijo da NISTA nije rekao kad je pandur dosao. Cura iz Rijeke je to sve sredila, zato jer otac od prijateljice je bijo Direktor policije u Malom Losinju.
nije previse vazno ali je interesantno :colgate:
Ruku na srce, meni je veoma komičano to izmišlati reči samo da ne bi ličio na srpski... . mislim, bez uvrede, ali meni je stvarno bezveze jedan isti jezik zbog politike i rata uništavati, jer mi možemo kako hoćemo, ljudi iz Srbije, Hrvatske ,Bosne i CG će se uvek razumeti i uvek pričati istim jezikom, posebno što se taj jezik na svim svetskim univerzitetima uči kao srpsko-hrvatski, pa i ovde na filološkom fakultetu se to naziva srpsko-hrvatski. te razlike između lične karte i osobne iskaznice su glupost, kao nije šija nego vrat ili nije govno nego se pas posro:)
to su samo razlike između dijalekata, a razlike između nemačkog na severu i jugu, ili francuskog u Francuskoj i Korzici , ili Kanadi su 5 puta veće nego razlike između dijalekata i narečja ovog jezika koji govorimo svi mi na prostorima ove četiri zemlje.:) offtopic al jebga... :cheers:
OettingerCroat June 5th, 2005, 04:08 PM ja se 150% slazem s tobom, ja mislim da je glupost, ali isto tako mislim da je potrebno imati razliku u jeziku izmedu dvije regije, samo zato jer je to normalno
sad cekaj da nesto razumjem: ove cetiri zemlje su Hrvatska, Bosna, Srbija, i Crna Gora?
bubach_hlubach June 5th, 2005, 08:20 PM Ruku na srce, meni je veoma komičano to izmišlati reči samo da ne bi ličio na srpski... . mislim, bez uvrede, ali meni je stvarno bezveze jedan isti jezik zbog politike i rata uništavati, jer mi možemo kako hoćemo, ljudi iz Srbije, Hrvatske ,Bosne i CG će se uvek razumeti i uvek pričati istim jezikom, posebno što se taj jezik na svim svetskim univerzitetima uči kao srpsko-hrvatski, pa i ovde na filološkom fakultetu se to naziva srpsko-hrvatski. te razlike između lične karte i osobne iskaznice su glupost, kao nije šija nego vrat ili nije govno nego se pas posro:)
to su samo razlike između dijalekata, a razlike između nemačkog na severu i jugu, ili francuskog u Francuskoj i Korzici , ili Kanadi su 5 puta veće nego razlike između dijalekata i narečja ovog jezika koji govorimo svi mi na prostorima ove četiri zemlje.:) offtopic al jebga... :cheers:
Licna karta je pojam instaliran od tadasnjih jugoslavenskih vlasti koje su pokusale nametnuti taj zamisljeni plan provedbe srpsko-hrvatskog jezika (whatever it means). U Hrvatskoj se do ulaska u Jugoslaviju uvijek govorilo osobna iskaznica, nikada licna karta, jer sam pridjev 'licni' nije ni hrvatska rijec, vec srpska. U Hrvatskoj se oduvijek rabila rijec osobno-osobna-osobni-osoban, cak i za vrijeme Jugoslavije.
Zatim kako objasniti cinjenicu da se je takodjer u Sloveniji morala rabiti 'licna karta' koja nema veze sa slovenskim jezikom.
Istina je da se na stranim veleucilistima jos uvijek koristi termin 'srpsko-hrvatski', ali sve rijedje i rijedje, za kojih 5-10 godina bit ce potpuno izbrisan iz terminologije sto je relativno kratski vremenski rok unatoc cinjenici da su jugoslavenske vlasti sirile dezinformacije o ovom nepostojecem jeziku punih 50 godina.
Govoreci o 'ciscenju jezika', ja ne znam niti jednu novo izmisljenu hrvatsku rijec. Sve te 'nove' rijeci koje s vremena na vremena cujete su u principu stare hrvatske rijeci koje su bile izbrisane iz prakse i uporabe za vrijeme jugoslavenskog rezima, sto jos ide vise u prilog samoj cinjenici o razlicitosti hrvatskog jezika od gore nabrojanih jezika.
Osim toga, jedna stvar mi nije jasna. Zasto se stranci toliko srdacno brinu o sudbini hrvatskog jezika? Od tisucljetne hrvatske povijesti na ovim prostorima Hrvati su proveli samo 60 godina suzivota sa Srbima, Bosancima, Slovencima, Crnogorcima u istoj drzavi. Zar vi doista mislite da se pitanje hrvatskog jezika, proslosti, sadasnjosti ili buducnosti tice samo vas? Ovo pitanje se tice samo Hrvatske drzave i njenih gradjana, koliko god se to svidjelo nekome ili ne, to je tako :) Get used to it :)
bubach_hlubach June 5th, 2005, 08:28 PM I had no idea you live in Michigan... Where in Michigan? I like michigan, its a Democrat Stronghold!
how come it says you live in Zagreb-Zabreg?
btw, i always liked that easy-going song Oliver sings about Barcaffe... typical relaxed Dalmatinac style... and its a completly pointless song; thats the best part! :colgate:
It says Zagreb because i think i represent Croatia and Zagreb here, dont I ? :)
Besides, i can freely put Zagreb as my location cuz I go to Zagreb once-twice a year and spent 27 yrs of living there..which is still much more comparing to what i have spent here :)
long foot June 5th, 2005, 08:32 PM Ruku na srce, meni je veoma komičano to izmišlati reči samo da ne bi ličio na srpski... . mislim, bez uvrede, ali meni je stvarno bezveze jedan isti jezik zbog politike i rata uništavati, jer mi možemo kako hoćemo, ljudi iz Srbije, Hrvatske ,Bosne i CG će se uvek razumeti i uvek pričati istim jezikom, posebno što se taj jezik na svim svetskim univerzitetima uči kao srpsko-hrvatski, pa i ovde na filološkom fakultetu se to naziva srpsko-hrvatski. te razlike između lične karte i osobne iskaznice su glupost, kao nije šija nego vrat ili nije govno nego se pas posro:)
to su samo razlike između dijalekata, a razlike između nemačkog na severu i jugu, ili francuskog u Francuskoj i Korzici , ili Kanadi su 5 puta veće nego razlike između dijalekata i narečja ovog jezika koji govorimo svi mi na prostorima ove četiri zemlje.:) offtopic al jebga... :cheers:
Ova je tema već 100 puta prežvakana na ovom forumu, ali evo i moja dva centa:
Možemo mi izmišljati što hoćemo, ali nije riječ o jednom istom jeziku, već o tri vrlo slična jezika. To što se razumijemo, ne znači ništa, razumiju se i česi i slovaci, ali ipak ne govore istim jezikom. Gramatika, vokabular, pravopis i tradicija naših jezika nisu isti, iako ih se nakon drugog svjetskog rata nasilno pokušavalo unificirati, odnosno, hrvatski se nasilno srbizirao. I sad kad vi čujete neku nepoznatu riječ, čudom se čudite i mislite da je riječ o nekoj HDZ-ovskoj izmišljotini, a riječ je o starim hrvatskim riječima koje su desetljećima bile potiskivane i uništavane, da bi se ustupilo mjesto srpskim.
Što se tiče riječi kao što su "osobna iskaznica", one su malo starije od države u kojoj su Srbi i Hrvati zajedno živjeli.
Hrvatski je nastao na štokavskom narječju (uglavnom slavonskom) i književnosti hrvatskih renesansnih i baroknih pisaca (uz preuzimanje vokabulara iz kajkavskog i čakavskog dijalekta kad je neka riječ u štokavskom nedostajala) i to puno prije nego što su Hrvati i Srbi ušli u zajedničku državu. Vi ga u Beogradu možete učiti i kao srpsko-hrvatski, ako vam je baš stalo do toga. To što se na nekim svjetskim sveučilištima uči, nije nikakav pokazatelj, osim da im je jednostavnije i jeftinije strpati ga u isti koš, nego držati dvije katedre.
Srpsko-hrvatski je samo neuspio projekt jednog vremena, budući da su se i srpski i hrvatski jezik formirali već u prvoj polovici 19. stoljeća, i bez obzira na jezično nasilje u Jugoslaviji, njihova unifikacija je bila nemoguća zbog toga što mi nismo htjeli odstupiti od naše stare jezične tradicije, kao što niste ni vi od svoje.
Iskreno nemam pojma otkud toliko patetike, i zašto Srbi i danas inzistiraju na jednom jeziku, zašto negiraju postojanje zasebnog hrvatskog jezika (o bošnjačkom da ne govorim, još nisam čuo da je ijedan Srbin rekao riječ "bošnjački"). Nije da mi to smeta, više je smiješno, nešto kao nostalgija za Jugoslavijom i vremenima dominacije koja su prošla.
pobesnelizmaj June 5th, 2005, 09:42 PM Ma opušteno, to je tvoje mišljenje mada se ja ni sa čim ne slažem al ajde... gramatika , tradicija i pravopisi naših jezika su isti... a vokabular nije. A kako ti objašnjavaš to kako ja tebe razumem sve, ti mene razumeš sve, imamo sve isto, jedino što se razlikuje je što srpski eto ima ćirilicu...znam ja da je srpsko-hrvatski nemoguće više, ali je bedak razdvajati jedan jezik koji bi sigurno više ljudi učilo u inostranstvu i bilo bi više interesovanja ako bismo ga standardizovali kao jedan...a i ne znam da li si primetio, sve te reči koje su nama šatro nerazumne su ustvari slovenske reči, umesto kojih su srbi prihvatili strane, počevši od meseci u godini, preko odvjetnika advokata, povjesti i istorije , i tajnika i sekretara... samo zbog toga ,a iskreno zabole mene pače za nostalgiju i življenje s hrvatima u zemlji. :) ko zna , možda hrvatski potiče na nekoj iranskoj osnovi...otkud znam :bash: :)
al ajd više da ne pričamo o ovome , jer se nikako nećemo složiti a i ovo nije forum za to, nego eto, jednostavno mi bedak zbog jezika uopšte, a ne zbog hrvata, čisto da znaš da nisam baš nostalgičan... više ne pričam o ovome ovde... sorry svima ostalima zbog offtopica :cheers:
OettingerCroat June 5th, 2005, 11:11 PM ok sorry guys, these discussions are good, but lets get back to the construction in Rijeka ;)
bubach_hlubach June 5th, 2005, 11:42 PM @Pobesnelizmaj, Crno nije sivo, niti je sivo bijelo :)
Vokabular :
Otok - Ostrvo
Gospodarstvo - Privreda
Ispricati - Izvinuti
Osobno - Licno :D
Placa - Plata
Regulirati - Regulisati
Ljesnjak - Lesnik
Tecaj - Kurs
Gramatika :
Idem lijecniku - Idem kod lekara
Je li te smijem upitati za uslugu - Da li smem da te upitam za uslugu
Sto bi prije imao - Sta bi pre da imas
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Slicnost je vrlo ocita, no jos uvijek nedovoljno upotpunjena da bi se radilo o potpuno istom jeziku, gramatici i pravopisu :)
p.s. Tvornica umjetnog gnojiva - Fabrika umetnog djubriva :D
Odlican pozdrav i kraj ove rasprave :)
bubach_hlubach June 5th, 2005, 11:45 PM I dont know if it is the right place, since this is about Istria, but i will go for it, anyway :)
Isprintaj članak Pošalji članak
Sanader otvorio zapadni krak Istarskog ipsilona
3.6.2005.
Predsjednik hrvatske Vlade Ivo Sanader svečano je danas pustio u promet zapadni krak Istarskog ipsilona, dionicu Medaki-Umag ukupne dužine 42 kilometra, u koju je uloženo 140 milijuna eura.
Dovršenjem posljednje faze izgradnje Istarskog ipsilona, od Vodnjana do Pule, ovo će područje biti destinacija koja će na turističkoj karti Hrvatske i Europe privlačiti mnogobrojne turiste te postati jedan od zaštitnih znakova hrvatskog turizma, ocijenio je premijer Sanader.
Pritom je poručio kako se u Hrvatskoj živi europski u skladu s europskim vrijednostima.
Sanader je podsjetio da je Hrvatska u bivšoj državi bila zapostavljena i u prometnom smislu, što je potkrijepio riječima da je novac sedamdesetih godina umjesto za izgradnju ceste Zagreb-Split otišao za izgradnju pruge Beograd-Bar.
Istaknuo je također kako je otvaranjem zapadnog kraka Istarskog ipsilona ostvarena želja kojoj se u Hrvatskoj težilo desetljećima te najavio da će autocesta Zagreb-Split biti završena do konca lipnja.
Sanader je izrazio uvjerenje kako će sadašnja poluautocesta Istarskog ipsilona u perspektivi postati autocestom zbog velike frekvencije vozila.
Ministar mora, turizma, prometa i razvitka Božidar Kalmeta naglašava kako je Vlada u programu do kraja mandata osigurala milijardu kuna za prometnu infrastrukturu Istre.
Istarski ipsilon od velikog je značaja za turizam, zna li se da 90 posto turista u Hrvatsku dolazi cestom, pri čemu je zapadni krak Ipsilona jedan od glavnih pravaca ulaska gostiju iz zapadne Europe u Hrvatsku, naglasio je Kalmeta.
Istarski župan Ivan Jakovčić današnji događaj ocjenjuje poticajem za snažno jačanje konkurentnosti istarskog i cjelokupnog hrvatskog gospodarstva čime, smatra, Istra i dalje ostvaruje ulogu regije lidera u ukupnom razvoju Republike Hrvatske.
Generalni direktor Bina-Istre David Gabelica izrazio je zadovoljstvo što je za posljednju dionicu Ipsilona Vodnjan-Pula ishodovana dozvola za građenje pa će pripremni radovi započeti već idućeg tjedna.
Nakon toga će koncesionar Bina-Istra upravljati cestovnom mrežom ukupne dužine od oko 145 kilometara, kazao je Gabelica napominjući da će uskoro započeti građenje punog profila autoceste na najprometnijim dionicama.
Današnjem svečanom otvaranju zapadnog kraka Ipsilona bila je među ostalim nazočna i ministrica zaštite okoliša, prostornog uređenja i graditeljstva Marina Matulović-Dropulić te brojni saborski zastupnici iz Istre.
http://info.croatiabiz.com/clanak.php?ID=24587&PHPSESSID=84aaa1bff4b60cf9b5616716db4f2c9f
:cheers:
SinCity June 6th, 2005, 02:33 AM Great news Bubach.
One final thing on this supposed Serbian-Croatian language debate. I dont want to dwell on it here.
I live in Australia and the two languages are treated as seperate. Government brochures are printed in either Serbian or Croatian.
In regards to tertiary education. One of the biggest Sydney universities, "Macquarie University" has a faculty called "Slavonic studies". Each Slavonic language has its own department and surprise, surprise ....... Croatian has its own department (the biggest) and there is also a seperate Serbian, Slovenian, Macedonian language departments.
End of argument.
OettingerCroat June 6th, 2005, 04:58 AM dude Sincity, thats cool that the college has those things! no place in the US has those types of things.
about the ipsilon, does that mean that all highways, except to osijek, sisak, and dubrovnik are complete?
SinCity June 6th, 2005, 05:46 AM dude Sincity, thats cool that the college has those things! no place in the US has those types of things.
about the ipsilon, does that mean that all highways, except to osijek, sisak, and dubrovnik are complete?
I think there is work happening still on the northern motorways in the direction Slovenia such as Macelj. As far as I know everything is pretty much complete apart from those ones you mentioned.
There is also the planned section from Rijeka to Zadar via Lika and also the Hungarian Border thru Osijek to the Bosnian Border as the Croatian section of the V5c corridor that ends up in the port of Ploce. :)
OettingerCroat June 6th, 2005, 06:50 AM ohh yeah yeah the rijeka-zuta lokva... jeez ja sam glup..... :bash:
and Bosnia really needs to help out and start crankin out those freeways from approximate Slav. Brod area down to Ploce through Sarajevo. there'll be more Hungarians, Poles, and Slovaks coming down then.
OettingerCroat June 6th, 2005, 06:51 AM one question... when will they cover up the bogeys on the 2200 trams like they drew in the original rendering of the tram?
bubach_hlubach June 6th, 2005, 07:30 AM ^ hehe everybody is getting impatient to see them covered...including myself on top :D...and finaly to see the tram being fully ready - 'unleashed' to hit the streets of Zagreb :)
Anyway, i just sneaked in some forums with competent ppl discussing this matter, and the answer is yes, the bogies will be covered as soon as they are done adjusting the exact height of the tram (gap beetwen the ground and tram's bottom) :)
Sarajka June 6th, 2005, 08:00 AM and Bosnia really needs to help out and start crankin out those freeways from approximate Slav. Brod area down to Ploce through Sarajevo. there'll be more Hungarians, Poles, and Slovaks coming down then.
http://www.bosmal.com/images/koridor_5c/eurupeBA.jpg
"Corridor 5c passes along the route Budapest-Osijek-Sarajevo-Ploce. The highway along this corridor is the most significant roadway in BiH and the shortest communication route between Middle Europe and the Adriatic.
Three of five major cities in Bosnia and Herzegovina, which are the most significant administrative, cultural and economic centers, are within the Corridor itself (Zenica, Sarajevo and Mostar) and the other two cities (Banja Luka and Tuzla) are within 30km of the proposed highway.
More than 50% of the total population producing 60% of the total GDP, and the economic activity of BH lies within the zone of influence along this route."
http://www.bosmal.com/images/koridor_5c/kartaEN.jpg
SinCity June 6th, 2005, 08:18 AM Corridor 5c is of high regional importance. This long awaited road which is under construction in parts is equally vital to both Bosnia and Croatia. It will certainly open up BiH to wider European markets and also its designated port of Ploce. :)
SinCity June 6th, 2005, 08:20 AM ^ hehe everybody is getting impatient to see them covered...including myself on top :D...and finaly to see the tram being fully ready - 'unleashed' to hit the streets of Zagreb :)
Anyway, i just sneaked in some forums with competent ppl discussing this matter, and the answer is yes, the bogies will be covered as soon as they are done adjusting the exact height of the tram (gap beetwen the ground and tram's bottom) :)
Thanks Bubach. That issue had become the $1 million dollar question in our discussions with just about everyone curious. :)
OettingerCroat June 7th, 2005, 02:12 AM hvala lijepa Bubach!
bubach_hlubach June 9th, 2005, 04:53 AM Rijeka je optimalan izlaz Bavarske na Sredozemlje
ZAGREB - »Hrvatska je ulagačima zanimljiva zbog političke stabilnosti i pravne sigurnosti, unatoč teškom okruženju u kojem se nalazi«, naglasio je u srijedu bavarski premijer Edmund Stoiber nakon susreta s predsjednikom Stjepanom Mesićem. Bavarski premijer je pritom istaknuo luku Rijeka kao »optimalan pristup Bavarske Sredozemlju«. Novim hrvatskim autocestama riječka je luka još bliže Münchenu, no Stoiber je naglasio da susjedna Slovenija zaostaje s izgradnjom autocesta.
Predsjednik Mesić je istaknuo dugogodišnju dobru suradnju Hrvatske i Bavarske, koja se, prema njegovim riječima, može dodatno unaprijediti na području prometa i turizma zahvaljujući izgradnji autocesta koje su Jadransko more približile toj najjužnijoj njemačkoj pokrajini.
Mesić je posebice pohvalio potporu koju je Bavarska ukazala Hrvatskoj tijekom Domovinskog rata i poslije njega.
Predsjednik Mesić i premijer Stoiber razgovarali su i o trenutačnoj krizi u EU izazvanoj negativnim ishodom referenduma u Francuskoj i Nizozemskoj. Odbijanje ustava u te dvije zemlje, istaknuo je Stoiber, dovelo je do toga da je Unija »samo uvjetno spremna na prijem novih članica«, a zamjetna je i »bojazan da bi zbog toga mogao biti odgođen i početak pristupnih pregovora Hrvatske i EU-a«.
»Odnosi Hrvatske i Unije su u poodmakloj fazi tako da pregovori mogu početi, ali će biti uspješno završeni tek kad EU prevlada unutarnju krizu«, ponovio je bavarski premijer stavove koje je iznio i dan prije u razgovoru s predsjednikom Vlade Ivom Sanaderom. [Julijana Štrbić]
http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2005/06/09/Clanak.asp?r=unu&c=3
:)
long foot June 9th, 2005, 08:18 AM upravo sam vidio na http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji.htm da su otvorili javne natječaje za projekte Gradske knjžnice i novog autobusnog terminala u Rijeci :)
SinCity June 9th, 2005, 08:25 AM upravo sam vidio na http://www.d-a-z.hr/ostalo/natjecaji.htm da su otvorili javne natječaje za projekte Gradske knjžnice i novog autobusnog terminala u Rijeci :)
I saw it last week but I forgot to mention it here .... silly me :D
long foot June 9th, 2005, 04:29 PM Tower Center Rijeka (former name WTC Rijeka) progress – pics taken on 13/04/2005
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/13.04.05_001.jpg
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/13.04.05_006.jpg
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/album/13.04.05_003.jpg
SinCity June 10th, 2005, 01:47 AM Great pics on that complex Long Foot. :)
OettingerCroat June 10th, 2005, 04:01 AM so how tall/large will the WTC be, and how tall is that other "trading centre Rijeka" with the glass buildings (i think there are two towers)
SinCity June 10th, 2005, 05:17 AM so how tall/large will the WTC be, and how tall is that other "trading centre Rijeka" with the glass buildings (i think there are two towers)
The WTC is now known as the "Tower Centre". Its office building has 15 levels.
The other project includes a 15 level tower with an adjacent 18 level hotel. This is going thru final planning stages. :)
SinCity July 7th, 2005, 04:15 AM The huge Rijeka Gateway Project is progressing smoothly and well on schedule. The reconstructed and expanded Rijeka waterfront will make the Port of Rijeka one of the most largest and most modern in Europe. Freight in and out of Rijeka has been rising sharply for years.
Secondly, work is to commence shortly on the new Passenger Terminal which will be built in 2 stages and is expected to be finished by early 2008. The new Rijeka Passenger terminal was designed by well known Japanese architects. :)
06.07.2005 16:48
RIJEKA GATEWAY PROJECT
Modernizacija riječke luke dobro napreduje
Autor T. Opačak-Klobučar
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050706/lik-luka-txt.jpg
RIJEKA - Rijeka Gateway Project, projekt modernizacije riječke luke zajmom Svjetske banke od 55 milijuna američkih dolara, napreduje prema utvrđenim smjernicama i u zacrtanim rokovima, što su početkom tjedna, za uobičajene polugodišnje "kontrole", potvrdili i predstavnici misije Svjetske banke. Kako sada stvari stoje, do 2009. godine, što je rok provedbe Rijeka Gateway Projecta, lučki dio Rijeke i središte grada uz more potpuno će promijeniti izgled.
Dok se dosada učinjeno u ostvarenju projekta, kojim Rijeka neće postati samo suvremena i konkurentna luka u europskim razmjerima već će se i rekonstrukcijom u sadašnjem središnjem dijelu pretvoriti u urbani gradski dio s nizom komercijalno-turističkih sadržaja, odnosilo uglavnom na pripremu projektne dokumentacije i "papirnati" dio posla, druga polovica ove i iduća godina bit će obilježena velikim građevinskim zahvatima.
Prva je na redu gradnja prilaznog mosta na korijenu riječkoga lukobrana, koji će biti u funkciji novoga putničkog terminala i njegove moderne zgrade, čija će gradnja, pak, početi do kraja ove godine. Iz kredita Svjetske banke i državnog proračuna ove će godine biti utrošeno četiri milijuna dolara, a dosada je u Rijeka Gateway Projectu utrošeno oko 11 milijuna dolara iz istih izvora, čime je obnovljena Bečka obala, nabavljene su dvije nove mobilne dizalice i isplaćene otpremnine za 350 radnika Luke, što je bio uvjet za restrukturiranje poduzeća. Jučer su u sjedištu Lučke uprave njezin ravnatelj Bojan Hlača i direktori GP-a Krk i riječkog Poslovnog centra Instuituta građevinarstva Hrvatske Josip Purić i Dražen Bošković potpisali ugovor o gradnji i nadzoru gradnje mosta koji će biti završen u roku šest mjeseci od početka radova, a start je najavljen za mjesec dana. Vrijednost je radova 6,2 milijuna kuna. Do proljeća iduće godine lukobran će biti s kopnom spojen novim mostom, stari željezni ostat će, iako izvan funkcije, "kao spomenik", a već tada Riječani će moći vidjeti i prve radove na zgradi putničkog terminala.
Kako je jučer rekao ravnatelj B. Hlača, građevinska je dozvola za gradnju zgrade putničkog terminala dobivena i uskoro će se raspisati natječaj za izbor izvođača radova. Zgrada će se graditi u dvije faze, a koncem 2007., odnosno početkom 2008. godine, trebala bi biti potpuno dovršena. Riječ je o investiciji od šest milijuna dolara, a projekt zgrade futurističkog izgleda napravili su Japanci.
SinCity July 7th, 2005, 08:05 AM Here is a sneak pic of the new Rijeka Passenger Ship Terminal which begins shortly ..... :)
http://www.kreativni.hr/NewsImages/40/Lucka-uprava-PPT.jpg
bubach_hlubach July 8th, 2005, 05:55 AM TOWER CENTAR NA PEĆINAMA GRADI SE PREMA PLANIRANOJ DINAMICI
Svakih dvanaestak dana jedan kat
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Građevina je trenutno visoka 35 metara, što znači da još nije dosegnula ni polovicu svoje buduće visine, a gradnja bi trebala biti završena krajem godine
RIJEKA – Za samo mjesec dana u potpunosti se promijenio pogled s Radničke ceste na gradilište Tower Centera, svima poznatijega kao WTC. Panoramskog pogleda s te ceste više nema, jer su je nadvisila dva kata poslovnog tornja, koji će u konačnici brojiti 23 kata i koji će u podnožje ove impresivne građevine gledati sa 92 metra visine. No, nad cjelim će prostorom stršjeti »samo« 14 katova poslovnoga tornja, jer će ostatak biti ukomponiran u objekt. Novost predstavljaju i prvi komadi fasade, a riječ je o segmentima od pranog kulira u dvjema nijansama boje.
Svakoga je dana na ovome velikom gradilištu čak 150 radnika, no uzme li se u obzir dužina objekta od pola kilometra, njegova širina od prosječno 50 metara, te ukupna površina od 140 tisuća kvadratnih metara, jasno je da građevinskih radnika nikako ne može biti manje.
Građevina je trenutno visoka 35 metara, što znači da još nije dosegnula ni polovicu svoje buduće visine. No, gradnja bi ipak trebala biti završena krajem ove godine, a tad će uslijediti »šminkanje«, postavljanje stakala, uređivanje i opremanje.
– Radovi teku prema zacrtanoj dinamici. Upravo završavamo središnji, komercijalni dio objekta, to bi trebalo biti gotovo do kraja mjeseca, a potom nam pereostaje dovršiti garaže i izgraditi toranj. Za gradnju tornja napravili smo optimističan plan, gradit ćemo oko 2 i pol kata mjesečno, što bi značilo da bismo svakih dvanaestak dana završili jedan kat – najavljuje voditelj građevinskog dijela projekta Mario Strižak. Ilustracije radi, jedan kat poslovnog tornja zauzima površinu od oko 600 kvadratnih metara.
Građevinske radove obavlja zagrebačka Montmontaža« kao podizvođač, dok je glavni izvođač »Rizzani De Eccher«.
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And then this silly Novi List provides a photo that's a few months old, if not older :rant:
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/7/149567.jpg
Everybody start looking for better and recent pics, noooooow (inlc myself). :D
:cheers:
long foot July 8th, 2005, 09:40 PM And then this silly Novi List provides a photo that's a few months old, if not older :rant:
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/7/149567.jpg
Everybody start looking for better and recent pics, noooooow (inlc myself). :D
:cheers:
I guess photographer was to lazy to go to construction site and he just took picture from archiv. To tel you the truth, if I were him, I would do the same thing ;)
There are better pics, but not very recent on official site: www.policentro.it
OettingerCroat July 9th, 2005, 05:14 PM 23 friggin stories? damn.... thats good news. hopefully they will make rijeka into a very modern, metropolitan port city. maybe it will look like rotterdam or antwerpen.
bubach_hlubach July 11th, 2005, 04:13 AM DOBIJE LI HRVATSKA, A TIME I RIJEKA EUROPSKO PRVENSTVO U NOGOMETU 2012. ILI MEDITERANSKE IGRE, NA RUJEVICI ĆE SE GRADITI SPORTSKO-STAMBENO-POSLOVNI KOMPLEKS
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Nova Rijeka na 500.000 četvornih metara
Širenje prema sjeverozapadu, odnosno u smjeru Rujevice i Marinića, jedini je pravac za ekspandiranje grada. »Nova Rijeka« imat će sportsko-rekreacijsko područje za gradnju stadiona i dvorane na površini od 170.000 četvornih metara te stambene i poslovne prostore površine oko 400.000 četvornih metara
Piše Robert FRANK
Ako Hrvatska, a samim time i Rijeka, zajedno s Mađarskom dobije organizaciju Europskog prvenstva u nogometu 2012. godine ili Rijeka konačno dobije organizaciju Mediteranskih igara, na otprilike pola milijuna četvornih metara površine iznad riječke zaobilaznice – na području Rujevice gdje se sada, među ostalim, kao centralni objekt nalazi »Lovorka Kukanić« – stvorit će se centralni sportski kompleks sa stadionom i sportskom dvoranom te takozvano sekundarno gradsko središte Rujevica.
Dobivanje sportske manifestacije dovoljno je da se pokrene zamašnjak razvoja dosad uglavnom zapuštenog područja na više od pedeset hektara, što odgovara veličini 150 nogometnih igrališta.
To nam je potvrdio i sam riječki gradonačelnik Vojko Obersnel koji smatra da će se projekt Rujevice kao centralnog sportskog kompleksa i sekundarnoga gradskog središta lakše realizirati pod uvjetom dobivanja jedne od te dvije sportske manifestacije.
U planu već tridesetak godina
»Rujevica je jedino upotrebljivo, optimalno i još prije tridesetak godina planski zacrtano područje u ovom gradu za sportsko-rekreacijsku namjenu. Nedvojbeno je kako njegov razvoj teži k sjeverozapadu, prema Rujevici, Pehlinu i Marinićima jer je u drugim smjerovima naprosto ograničen. Na južnoj strani, naime, realiziramo projekt Rijeka Gateway, na istočnoj smo omeđeni Kostrenom, a na zaPrenamjena iz poslovne u stambenu
Prema Prostornom planu uređenja Grada Rijeke (PPUGR), ispod centralnog sportskog kompleksa sa stadionom i dvoranom, koji bi se planski rješavao donošenjem Urbanističkog plana uređenja, nalazi se golemo područje predviđeno za poslovnu namjenu. Izmjenama i dopunama PPUGR-a, ta bi se namjena iz poslovne pretvorila u stambenu koja podrazumijeva gradnju i stambenih i poslovnih objekata. Zasad se ne može prejudicirati što bi se i kako gradilo, jer se to detaljno uređuje tek planovima nižeg reda, no svakako bi se mjesta našlo za različite sadržaje.
Dobitna financijska kombinacija
Grad Rijeka vlasnik je oko 50 posto zemljišta na kojem bi se gradio sportski kompleks pa je njegova izgradnja, pod uvjetom sudjelovanja u organizaciji Europskog prvenstva u nogometu 2012. godine ili dobivanja Mediteranskih igara, puno jednostavnija nego u slučaju gradnje sportske rukometne dvorane na Zametu. U svakom slučaju, Grad kao investitor na tom području u puno je povoljnijoj situaciji po pitanju imovinsko-pravnih odnosa nego na Zametu, gdje je do danas, unatoč obećanjima o njihovom rješavanju, baš zbog tog problema u krajnje inferiornom položaju prema drugim strankama. Može se pretpostaviti kako bi Grad Rijeka komunalnom naknadom i doprinosima za gradnju stambenih i poslovnih objekata priskrbio velik dio novca za gradnju i dvorane i stadiona. Stoga se takva kombinacija zajedničke gradnje sportskog kompleksa, stambenih i poslovnih objekata čini dobitnom financijskom kombinacijom.
Idejno rješenje stadiona Borisa Magaša
Idejno rješenje za centralni sportski kompleks, dakle za nogometni stadion, isto kao i za polivalentnu sportsku dvoranu, napravio je zagrebački arhitekt Boris Magaš. Njegovih ruku djelo je i poljudski stadion efektno napravljen prije trideset godina za Mediteranske igre u Splitu u obliku poluotvorene školjke. Prema Magaševom idejnom rješenju, stadion na Rujevici primao bi između 20 i 30 tisuća ljudi, a sportska dvorana, izvana kružnog oblika, imala bi između pet i šest tisuća sjedećih mjesta. Obje građevine prema standardima moraju biti prilagođene međunarodnim natjecanjima. Ograničeni kapacitet stadiona na maksimalno trideset tisuća, navodno bi garantirao njegovu isplativost i eliminirao mogućnost da postane »bijeli slon« ili »mrtvi slon«, kako se u žargonu nazivaju velebni objekti građeni isključivo za jednokratnu upotrebu, koji nakon toga zjape prazni. Treba naglasiti i da će se konačno dimenzioniranje kapaciteta stadiona na Rujevici odrediti dodatnim analizama koje će dati najracionalniji omjer potreba s jedne i mogućnosti s druge strane. Potrebe se odnose na želje Grada i sportskih klubova, a mogućnosti na prihvatljive troškove, veličinu prostora, infrastrukturnu opremljenost i mjere zaštite okoliša.
padu je krajnja točka Preluk koja je imovinsko-pravno prilično neriješena. Još je važnije da je razvoj na tim rubnim točkama ograničen vrlo nepovoljnom konfiguracijom terena. Ostaje, dakle, Rujevica, koju smo zamislili kao sportsko-rekreacijsku zonu i sekundarno gradsko središte koje bi objedinjavalo i pružalo sve funkcije potrebne za normalan život čitavog novog naselja«, kaže Obersnel.
U prilog tako ambiciozno zamišljenom, ali i, uvjeravaju nas stručnjaci, realnom projektu, ide i obećanje Vlade o proširenju riječke zaobilaznice od čvora Diračje do čvora Škurinje s dva na četiri traka.
Već je najavljeno kako bi proširenje zaobilaznice moglo započeti krajem godine, a podrazumijevalo bi i istodobnu gradnju prometnog čvora Rujevica kojim bi se omogućio lakši pristup ključnim objektima u toj zoni.
Infrastrukturni problemi
Cijelom tom zonom, iz smjera TUŠ-a prema sjeveru, prolazila bi nova županijska cesta procijenjene vrijednosti od preko sto milijuna kuna, čiji se početak gradnje uskoro očekuje i zbog prilaska županijskom deponiju otpada Marišćina.
Brzim rješavanjem ovakvih infrastrukturnih problema, s kojima je Rijeka trajno suočena s obzirom na nezahvalnu konfiguraciju terena, stvorile bi se pretpostavke za njeno plansko i organizirano širenje preko zaobilaznice.
To je širenje potrebno tim više jer iznad zaobilaznice trenutačno živi čak trećina građana Rijeke, pa bi se projektom Rujevica mnoge važne gradske funkcije i sadržaji njegovom realizacijom dislocirale iz preopterećenog centra. U cijelom je projektu, posebno onom koji se tiče sportskog kompleksa, važna mogućnost brzog punjenja i pražnjenja, odnosno dolaska i odlaska posjetitelja iz tih objekata, u čemu je važna njihova blizina i povezanost s četverotračnom riječkom zaobilaznicom. Upravo zbog ovih razloga Rujevica se još od 80-ih i prvog prostornog plana doista nameće kao najlogičnija lokacija za izgradnju kompleksa u koji bi ovaj grad mogao uložiti desetke milijuna eura.
Sportsko-rekreacijsko područje za gradnju stadiona i dvorane obuhvaća površinu od 17 hektara, odnosno 170 tisuća četvornih metara što odgovara veličini od 25 nogometnih igrališta.
Poslovni prostor između tog područja i zaobilaznice, odnosno sekundarno gradsko središte gdje će se, nakon promjene plana, kombinirati gradnja stambenih i poslovnih prostora, obuhvaća preko 40 hektara, odnosno preko 400 tisuća četvornih metara što odgovara veličini 60 nogometnih igrališta. Sveukupno obje zone zauzimaju više od pola milijuna četvornih metara prostora.
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SinCity July 11th, 2005, 04:38 AM WOW Bubach, you are a gem. Thats great news for Rijeka. :eek:
I'll have a translation for the article ready. Its great to see the "Nova Rijeka" district expanded with new facilities. :yes:
SinCity July 11th, 2005, 04:56 AM Basically Bubach's article above translated in short means that Rijeka's potential for urban expansion relies in the north western section of the city.
Rijeka is either hopeful that Croatia-Hungary's bid for the European Soccer Cup in 2012 or the city itself will be successful in its bid to host the next available "Meditteranean Games" will spur the construction of a new 30,000 seat stadium and also a 400,000 sqm new residential / commercial district "New Rijeka".
This area located in the vicity of Rujevica & Marinići will become Rijeka's secondary city centre at the same time on top of a new sports and recreation zone. The size of the area is approx 40 hectares.
Looks like lots of new buildings and hopefully Rijeka will continue its trend of having some of the tallest residential skyscrapers in Croatia. :yes:
bubach_hlubach July 11th, 2005, 05:03 AM Thanks SC :)
SinCity July 11th, 2005, 05:45 AM Thanks SC :)
No probs. I kept it short and sweet. :)
long foot July 11th, 2005, 08:15 AM WOW Bubach, you are a gem. Thats great news for Rijeka. :eek:
I'll have a translation for the article ready. Its great to see the "Nova Rijeka" district expanded with new facilities. :yes:
You should see that project in newspaper, it looks amazing! Design by same architect who designed Poljud ;)
bubach_hlubach July 11th, 2005, 08:32 AM You should see that project in newspaper, it looks amazing! Design by same architect who designed Poljud ;)
Hmmm, do you happen to have that newspaper somewhere by you ? ;)
:)
long foot July 11th, 2005, 08:41 AM Hmmm, do you happen to have that newspaper somewhere by you ? ;)
:)
No, but have it at home, i could take picture of article and post it here.
bubach_hlubach July 11th, 2005, 08:53 AM No, but have it at home, i could take picture of article and post it here.
Please do it if your time allows it :)
And also next time if you catch something interesting, take a pic of an article, SC and I would be really grateful for that. You are the only source we have so far ;)
:)
SinCity July 11th, 2005, 08:53 AM It would be nice to see. :)
AstroBoy July 11th, 2005, 11:53 AM My feelings are that Rijeka will become the most import trade city on the Adriatic Sea. Give it time as the port growth continues, it will begin to draw more and more residents, businesses, etc. I think it will rapidly rise once Croatia enters the EU and it may become of the important ports of the EU trading with Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries.
long foot July 11th, 2005, 07:57 PM I croped only the picture, you can read whole article on web site of Novi list.
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/2903/picture2577hv.th.jpg (http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2577hv.jpg)
bambam July 11th, 2005, 08:05 PM Stadion je stvarno lijep... njega su vec za MI mislisi sagrditi no od MI nista ne bi pa tako nisu ni poceli da ga grade... steta samo sto kako sam do sada procitao u novinama za Euro2012 samo u Rijeci i Osijeku planiraju sagraditi nova stadiona a ne i u Zagrebu... Maksimir se definitivno treba srusiti i sagraditi nesto sto dolikuje Zagrebu... no i to je prica koja je vec toliko puno prozvakana da eto :)
long foot July 11th, 2005, 08:12 PM Maksimir će samo dovršit, prekupo ga je sad rušit pa opet gradit. Gradit će se novi u Kranjčevićevoj ulici (Stadion NK Zagreba)
SinCity July 12th, 2005, 01:35 AM I croped only the picture, you can read whole article on web site of Novi list.
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/2903/picture2577hv.th.jpg (http://img350.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture2577hv.jpg)
The new stadium design looks great. :yes: It would be good to see this happen along with 500,000 sqms of new residential and commercial space.
bubach_hlubach July 12th, 2005, 08:36 PM Business-residential complex with 6 levels underground garages - 8.8 million Euro investment
OKONČAN NATJEČAJ ZA JEDAN OD NAJZANIMLJIVIJIH RIJEČKIH PROJEKATA
Ponuda za Gomilu 8,8 milijuna eura
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/7/150217.jpg
Posao građenja šest etaža podzemne garaže s oko tisuću parkirališnih mjesta te četiri nadzemne etaže stambeno-poslovnog sadržaja dobila »Midia Investments«, ponudivši 1,6 milijuna eura više od cijene koju je tražio Grad
RIJEKA – Na natječaj za osnivanje prava građenja na Gomili koji je raspisao Grad Rijeka pristigle su tri ponude, a najpovoljniju su dostavili švicarska tvrtka iz Lugana »Midia Investments« u suradnji sa »Strabagom« koja je »teška« 8,8 milijuna eura, što je za 1,6 milijuna eura više od početne cijene koju je tražio Grad. Ponuda »Bononije 3M Građenja«, hrvatske tvrtke osnovane talijanskim kapitalom, iznosila je 8,5 milijuna eura, dok je ponuda austrijske »Westalie« bila nevažeća jer nije pristigla pravodobno. Odvjetničko društvo Pauković-Kovačević-Koren-Pende-Kralj koje je zastupalo »Bonaniju 3M Građenje« je iznijelo prigovore na ponudu tvrtke koja je dala najpovoljniju ponudu, ali su oni odbijeni kao neosnovani. Natječajna komisija je predložila da posao prava građenja šest etaža podzemne garaže s oko tisuću parkirališnih mjesta te građenja četiri nadzemne etaže stambeno-poslovnog sadržaja dobije »Midia Investments«.
more....
http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?WCI=Rubrike&WCU=2859285A2863285F2863285A28582858285D2863287A2871286328632859285D2858285A2859285F28632863286328592863A
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SinCity July 13th, 2005, 02:30 AM Good find Bubach. :) I may have to prepare a list for Rijeka soon. :yes:
bubach_hlubach July 13th, 2005, 04:19 AM ^ Yup, that would be cool :) I just have no idea how to catch everything related to Rijeka.
There was one fantastic project going on in downtown Rijeka, right on Corso, an old and charming looking building was getting renovated + additional few modern looking stories were to be added on top of it. :)
btw, some pics of recently renovated schools in Rijeka :
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/9669/rijekaskola7jp.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/6097/rijekaskola17vd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/339/rijekaskola8sus74ut.jpg
..and a bonus picture of Rijeka - aerial :
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/5118/rjecinavelika8nv.jpg
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SinCity July 13th, 2005, 04:28 AM Very nice images. I like that aerial. :yes:
Demolition of 250 metre high chimney in Bakar (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/istra/330914/index.do)
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050712/dimnjak.jpg
Urban renewal of former industrial zone. :) Rijeka is getting better by the day.
bubach_hlubach July 13th, 2005, 04:51 AM ^ wooow, you really hefta have guts to seat in that machinery vehicle and dig underneath yourself on the height of 250 meters - crazy people :runaway:
:D
SinCity July 13th, 2005, 04:51 AM I love this part of Rijeka you posted Bubach. I'm sure the river below is the one that gives our "Rika" its name .... :D
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/5118/rjecinavelika8nv.jpg
bubach_hlubach July 13th, 2005, 04:59 AM I love this part of Rijeka you posted Bubach. I'm sure the river below is the one that gives our "Rika" its name .... :D
http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/5118/rjecinavelika8nv.jpg
This pic shows where downtown actually ends or begins - on the left side of the photo. I am really crazy about aerials of Rijeka, too, not just about Zagreb ones ;)
I wish I had a photo showing the whole downtown, not just a 1/10 of it, but well :)
BTW, Rijeka reminds me sometimes of Ljubljana, sometimes of Zagreb ;)
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SinCity July 13th, 2005, 05:44 AM ^ wooow, you really hefta have guts to seat in that machinery vehicle and dig underneath yourself on the height of 250 meters - crazy people :runaway:
:D
I'll say. So far they have pulled down 80m of 250m using the above technique. Bloody freaks if you ask me. :eek:
bubach_hlubach July 13th, 2005, 06:30 AM Rijeka again ;)
http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/1940/rijekanovo0s9s78s1jk.jpg
how weird is this? ;)
http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/5196/rijeka9sus7s0ac.jpg
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long foot July 13th, 2005, 09:12 AM Good find Bubach. :) I may have to prepare a list for Rijeka soon. :yes:
That garage is realy nessesery! You guys should see traffic in Rijeka, it is even worse than in Zagreb!
long foot July 13th, 2005, 09:13 AM Very nice images. I like that aerial. :yes:
Demolition of 250 metre high chimney in Bakar (http://www.vecernji-list.hr/newsroom/regions/istra/330914/index.do)
http://www.vecernji-list.hr/system/galleries/pics/050712/dimnjak.jpg
Urban renewal of former industrial zone. :) Rijeka is getting better by the day.
Isuse Bože, kako su samo podigli tog bagera na dimnjak? :runaway:
SinCity July 14th, 2005, 01:46 AM Isuse Bože, kako su samo podigli tog bagera na dimnjak? :runaway:
Crazy isn't it? :D I dont know why they didn't collapse the chimney via controlled explosion like they normally do. This way looks like it will take ages and very dangerous. I have to give it sometimes to Croatian inginuity. :D
SinCity July 14th, 2005, 01:46 AM Isuse Bože, kako su samo podigli tog bagera na dimnjak? :runaway:
Crazy isn't it? :D I dont know why they didn't collapse the chimney via controlled explosion like they normally do. This way looks like it will take ages and very dangerous. I have to give it sometimes to Croatian inginuity. :D
long foot July 14th, 2005, 08:17 AM Actualy I think we are completely insane nation :lol:
SinCity July 14th, 2005, 08:22 AM Am I wrong to assume that the only thing stopping that bulldozer from free-falling down the inside of the chimney are the 2 steel girders that we see sticking of the sides? :D That is unbelievable. The guy has a 170m drop below him :eek:
long foot July 14th, 2005, 08:26 AM Am I wrong to assume that the only thing stopping that bulldozer from free-falling down the inside of the chimney are the 2 steel girders that we see sticking of the sides? :D
I see 4 girders, but could be more of them on the other side ;)
SinCity July 14th, 2005, 08:30 AM I see 4 now. LOL. :D :ohno:
bambam July 24th, 2005, 02:03 PM Rijeka će postati svjetski hit
Profesor s Clevelanda i stručnjak za javni menadžment uvjeren da će grad na Rječini privlačiti milijune ljudi, a formula uspjeha je: miks turizma i sporta. Euro 2012. bit će prijeloman događaj za za Rijeku. Barcelona je izvrstan primjer. Uzbudljiv grad osmislit će stručnjaci riječkoga Sveučilišta
Američki profesor Mark S. Rosentraub uopće ne dvoji u svijetlu i bogatu budućnost Rijeke, koja će, kako tvrdi, ponovo postati važan i uzbudljiv grad i privlačiti milijune ljudi. Kako? Obnovom uništene industrije? »Nipošto. Budućnost Rijeke je u turizmu i znanju«, uvjeren je Rosentraub, dekan Maxine Goodman Levin Collegea na Cleveland State University, s kojim smo razgovarali na Rabu, gdje provodi svoj godišnji odmor.
Rosentraub uopće nije iznenađen propašću riječke industrije, niti ga zabrinjava ta činjenica. Industrije će i ubuduće biti u Rijeci, ali će zapošljavati manje ljudi, jer će biti kompjuterizirana i robotizirana. »Čemu se onda okrenuti? Turizmu, koji je najbrže rastuća gospodarska grana u svijetu, i koji je nešto sasvim drugo od onoga što je bio pedesetih i šezdesetih godina. Danas u ovom hotelu borave ljudi iz cijele Europe. Dakle, hrvatsko turističko tržište danas nije samo nekoliko milijuna ljudi u Hrvatskoj i oko nje, nego 50 ili 60 milijuna ljudi koji žive na samo nekoliko sati vožnje odavde.«
»Prijete« milijuni Indijaca i Kineza
Štoviše, Rosentraub smatra da će u sljedećih 10 do 20 godina tržište preplaviti nekoliko stotina milijuna Indijaca i Kineza, zbog brzog rasta tamošnje srednje klase, koji će također htjeti vidjeti svijet.
Indija je nedavno, primijetio je, kupila 36 najvećih putničkih zrakoplova na svijetu. »Jasno je zašto«, dodao je pozivajući odgovorne u Hrvatskoj da se zapitaju što već danas – danas, jer sutra će već biti kasno! – čine da te milijune privuku sebi.
»Prije pet godina na ovom otoku nije bilo nikog kojemu je engleski materinji. A pogledajte danas! Sinoć za večerom u restoranu za susjednim stolom sjedili su ljudi iz San Diega. Dakle, dogodilo se, ljudi su prepoznali da je ovdje dobro, i sada još samo moramo uspjeti u tome da se to događa još brže«, kaže i dodaje da su reklame Hrvatske na CNN-u »kompletno promijenile imidž Hrvatske u svijetu«.
Shvatili šansu
Na pitanje koliko vremena treba za promjenu o kojoj govori, transformaciju Rijeke u prestižnu turističku destinaciju, Rosentraub spremno uzvraća: pet do 10 godina!
Rijeka je, uvjeren je profesor, shvatila svoju šansu i već je poduzela korake u pravom smjeru. Rosentraubov plan za Rijeku sastoji se od dvije točke. Prva je pretvaranje riječkog Sveučilišta u motor cjelokupnog razvoja Rijeke i regije, o čemu je više puta razgovarao s rektorom Danijelom Rukavinom. »Najbolji mozgovi moraju ostati ovdje i raditi za svoj grad, umjesto napustiti Rijeku i odlaziti drugdje.«
Druga je pretvaranje Rijeke u glavno turističko-zabavno središte, kako bi se privukli turisti i kako bi im se ponudio aktivan sportsko-rekreacijski turizam, po uzoru na nekoliko već oprobanih recepata u svijetu. »Uzmite primjer Barcelone. Osamdesetih su morali dizati zajam Svjetske banke da bi izgradili sportsko-zabavne objekte, na kojima danas odlično zarađuju«, dodaje.
17 sati zabave
Rijeka danas ima Gateway projekt, kojim će se današnja luka pretvoriti u golemu marinu, zatim prenamjenu bivšeg »Torpeda« u višenamjenski objekt uz more, a Rosentraub predlaže i stvaranje novog rezidencijalnog prostora uz more. »To je način na koji možete promijeniti svoj grad, osuvremeniti ga. To isto napravila je osamdesetih Barcelona i, pogledajte danas, postala je jedno od najvećih turističkih središta na svijetu. Za to danas trebate turizam i kulturu, ali također i sveučilište i ideje«.
Pritom upozorava da je suvremena tehnologija (prijevoz i internet) cijeli svijet učinila dostupnim, što je promijenilo karakter suvremenog gradskog turizma. Turizam više nije privilegija bogatih, a danas moderan turist traži uzbudljiv grad jer ga zanima jedinstveni osjećaj doživljaja. Turistu morate pružiti 17 sati sadržaja na dan, a ne pustiti ga da samo prespava u vašem hotelu. Sport je pritom neobično važan, jer, kako kaže, »ljudi idu dva sata na utakmicu, a onda još pet sati troše oko stadiona pa je prošlo vrijeme stadiona bez pratećih sadržaja«. To je disneyfikacija sporta, kako je Rosentraub naziva, izgradnja svih sadržaja poput mjesta za šoping, restorana, kina, kafića pored stadiona.
Pomoć Sorosa
Stoga je očekivano da profesor ima vrlo pozitivno mišljenje o riječkoj kandidaturi za Mediteranske igre. Smatra da iako je Rijeka tri puta odbijena, to nije ništa strašno i treba se ponovo kandidirati. »Takav je život«, dodao je. Još bolje mišljenje Profesorov recept – Disneyfikacija sporta
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Logika Clevelanda
Profesor Rosentraub već nekoliko godina redoviti je gost Hrvatske i Rijeke, u kojoj je gradske vlasti i riječko Sveučilište savjetovao na više gradskih projekata, koristeći svoje bogato američko iskustvo. Židovskog je podrijetla, odrastao je u New Yorku, a dio njegove obitelji iskusio je strahote holokausta u rodnoj Poljskoj.
Kao iskusan ekonomski teoretičar za javni menadžment i javne financije, s posebnim praktičnim savjetodavnim iskustvom o tome kako izgraditi i održavati veliku sportsku infrastrukturu bez izdataka za javni proračun, Rosentraub je vrlo aktivan u Clevelandu na izgradnji nove sportske infrastrukture i novim modelima njezina financiranja. To je potpuno preporodilo taj američki grad, koji je nakon potpune propasti svoje moćne industrije postao jedno od glavnih američkih turističkih odredišta. Upravo to je i Rosentraubov prijedlog za Rijeku, u kojoj se dogodila slična propast industrije: transformirati bivši industrijski i tranzitni grad u turističko-sportski grad, grad u koji će ljudi dolaziti, a ne samo kroz njega prolaziti.
Ovog je puta Rosentraub došao u Hrvatsku zbog seminara o sportu, turizmu i ekonomskom razvoju što je za predstavnike lokalnih vlasti održan u organizaciji Zagrebačke škole za ekonomiju i menagement.
Amaterski po lopti
Rosentraub je oženjen, ima četvero djece. Amaterski igra nogomet, a čak je 15 godina bio nogometni trener, i to u timu u kojem su igrale njegove dvije kćeri. Tvrdi da je nogomet, osobito među mlađima, nevjerojatno popularan sport u Americi i da polučuje odličan uspjeh, ali ne na profesionalnoj razini.
Prati i europski nogomet, a od svih nogometnih klubova politički i društveno najviše mu se dopada »Barcelona«. »Gledajte dobro američku nogometnu reprezentaciju na sljedećem Svetskom prvenstvu, jer je vrlo dobra. Imaju nekih slabosti u obrani, no napad igra u južnoameričkom stilu«, kaže Rosentraub, kojemu se također dopada igra hrvatske reprezentacije i kvaliteta domaćih nogometaša.
ima o zajedničkoj hrvatsko-mađarskoj kandidaturi za europsko nogometno prvenstvo 2012. godine, zbog čega Rijeka treba nov stadion, ali i nov bazen, bez čega nema novog izazova. »Vjerujem da je hrvatsko-mađarska kandidatura dobitna kombinacija, a najveći suparnik bit će joj poljsko-ukrajinska kandidatura«, tvrdi Rosentraub, koji ne zaboravlja da je i Goerge Soros iz Budimpešte. »On je vrlo važna osoba«, upozorava.
Euro će 2012., tvrdi profesor, biti prijeloman događaj za Hrvatsku, a osobito za Rijeku. Hrvatskoj će donijeti milijune novih gostiju, koji će doći u Hrvatsku potrošiti novac. Euro je, naravno, puno važniji od Mediteranskih igara, i predstavlja drugi najvažniji nogometni turnir na svijetu. Stoga će i njegov utjecaj biti puno veći.
Zlatne godine Rijeke
Osobito na Rijeku, koja, barem tako tvrdi Rosentraub, ima više mogućnosti od Zagreba, jer je u boljoj poziciji kada je riječ o izgradnji nove infrastrukture. »Budući da je manja, može biti fleksibilnija, može izgraditi što god želi, a ima i bolji položaj. Ima i sve te male gradove u svojoj blizini, poput Opatije«, tvrdi Rosentraub i dodaje da će 2012. godine oči 200 milijuna ljudi biti uprte u Rijeku i Hrvatsku, a nogomet će utjecati na turističko tržište u Hrvatskoj kao ništa dotad. »To je prava prilika za promjenu imidža!«, zaključuje Rosentraub.
Pravde radi, na prijelazu iz pedesetih u šezdesete, Rijeka je s Opatijom već proživljavala zlatne godine, jer je imala imidž šampiona bivše države u zabavi i turizmu. Tih su godina u riječku luku uplovljavali i brodovi sa zastavom profesorove zemlje. Biti u Rijeci i Opatiji tih godina bila je stvar prestiža. Ima li Rijeka snage za novi početak?
Stvaranje u spavaćoj sobi
Ima, uvjeren je Rosentraub i spominje sveučilište, izvrstan fizički položaj grada, luku koja će se razvijati, otoke... Rijeka ima baš sve što joj treba za sigurnu budućnost, tvrdi Rosentraub. »No, morate stvoriti povoljno okruženje za razvoj. Prije 50 ili 100 godina morali ste graditi velike tvornice i zgrade. Danas više ne, jer vrijeme se promijenilo. Pa Michael Dell (osnivač i vlasnik Dell Computer Corporation, op. a.) nema tvornicu! Sve je stvorio u svojoj spavaćoj sobi, koristeći samo svoje znanje! Bio sam na riječkim fakultetima, Medicinskom, Ekonomskom, studenti su tamo. Samo još trebate pred njih staviti taj izazov, da stvore grad koji će ljudi voljeti, jer ideje su u njihovim glavama. Riječanin je izumio torpedo. Nemojte mi reći da tako nešto nije moguće ponovo. Jedino ograničenje mogu biti vaši snovi. Hrvatskoj se, tvrdi profesor, to dogodilo prije, pa zašto ne bi i sada?
Profesorov recept – Disneyfikacija sporta
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»Kad ste mogli besprijekorno ugostiti Papu Ivana Pavla Drugog bez i jednog problema, jednako ćete dobro znati ugostiti Euro i Mediteranske igre, zašto ne?«
Logika Clevelanda
Profesor Rosentraub već nekoliko godina redoviti je gost Hrvatske i Rijeke, u kojoj je gradske vlasti i riječko Sveučilište savjetovao na više gradskih projekata, koristeći svoje bogato američko iskustvo. Židovskog je podrijetla, odrastao je u New Yorku, a dio njegove obitelji iskusio je strahote holokausta u rodnoj Poljskoj.
Kao iskusan ekonomski teoretičar za javni menadžment i javne financije, s posebnim praktičnim savjetodavnim iskustvom o tome kako izgraditi i održavati veliku sportsku infrastrukturu bez izdataka za javni proračun, Rosentraub je vrlo aktivan u Clevelandu na izgradnji nove sportske infrastrukture i novim modelima njezina financiranja. To je potpuno preporodilo taj američki grad, koji je nakon potpune propasti svoje moćne industrije postao jedno od glavnih američkih turističkih odredišta. Upravo to je i Rosentraubov prijedlog za Rijeku, u kojoj se dogodila slična propast industrije: transformirati bivši industrijski i tranzitni grad u turističko-sportski grad, grad u koji će ljudi dolaziti, a ne samo kroz njega prolaziti.
Ovog je puta Rosentraub došao u Hrvatsku zbog seminara o sportu, turizmu i ekonomskom razvoju što je za predstavnike lokalnih vlasti održan u organizaciji Zagrebačke škole za ekonomiju i menagement.
Amaterski po lopti
Rosentraub je oženjen, ima četvero djece. Amaterski igra nogomet, a čak je 15 godina bio nogometni trener, i to u timu u kojem su igrale njegove dvije kćeri. Tvrdi da je nogomet, osobito među mlađima, nevjerojatno popularan sport u Americi i da polučuje odličan uspjeh, ali ne na profesionalnoj razini.
Prati i europski nogomet, a od svih nogometnih klubova politički i društveno najviše mu se dopada »Barcelona«. »Gledajte dobro američku nogometnu reprezentaciju na sljedećem Svetskom prvenstvu, jer je vrlo dobra. Imaju nekih slabosti u obrani, no napad igra u južnoameričkom stilu«, kaže Rosentraub, kojemu se također dopada igra hrvatske reprezentacije i kvaliteta domaćih nogometaša.
OettingerCroat July 24th, 2005, 07:15 PM great news for rijeka - its gonna become some cosmopolitan port city, like rotterdam or maybe hong kong :| someday... ;)
esseker July 24th, 2005, 10:59 PM Euro '12 will be great for all our 4 towns which might be hosting it. I hope we get the "green light" together with Hungary. I can allready see it - "cardas and the sea" what better way to have fun?! :)
I hope Osijek will follow this example given for Rijeka!
SinCity July 25th, 2005, 01:43 AM The Croatia-Hungry bid is so far an early favourite so fingers crossed that we succeed. I think Greece is by far our strongest rival. However it will do great for Rijeka, Osijek and other Croatian cities that will host events and also the same for our Hungarian colleagues too. :)
Rijeka will prosper anyway because it is a significant port which is drawing huge investments. It will be giving Zagreb a serious run for its money in years to come. :yes:
bubach_hlubach July 25th, 2005, 07:37 PM Hitro.hr i u Rijeci
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U riječkoj poslovnici Financijske agencije otvoren je četvrti ured vladina HITRO.HR servisa za brzu i transparentnu komunikaciju poduzetnika i građana s tijelima državne uprave. Od jeseni i e-Regos usluga.
Riječki ured HITRO.HR servisa otvorio je član uprave FINA-e Tomislav Vintar, koji je rekao da se od otvaranja prvih ureda tog servisa broj dana potreban za otvaranje trgovačkog društva smanjen s oko 20 na oko 5 dana.
Istaknuo je da je u sadašnjoj fazi rada HITRO.HR servisa ostvarena dobra suradnja s trgovačkim sudovima te da dosadašnji rezultati pokazuju da državne ustanove mogu kvalitetno surađivati i tako olakšati komunikaciju poduzetnika s tijelima državne uprave.
Pomoćnik ministra gospodarstva Leo Begović kazao je da će se uvjeti za otvaranje obrta i nadalje poboljšavati te da se na riječkom području u sljedećih nekoliko godina planira stvaranje uvjeta za otvaranje još oko 2000 obrta.
Novi HITRO.HR uredi bit će otvoreni u Vukovaru, Zadru i Dubrovniku u rujnu ove godine, a do kraja godine HITRO.HR servis radit će u svim većim gradovima.
Od jeseni će HITRO.HR servis uvesti novu uslugu e-REGOS koja će poduzetnicima omogućiti predaju podataka putem interneta i biti prva, u potpunosti on-line usluga.
Više:
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OettingerCroat July 25th, 2005, 08:13 PM The Croatia-Hungry bid is so far an early favourite so fingers crossed that we succeed. I think Greece is by far our strongest rival. However it will do great for Rijeka, Osijek and other Croatian cities that will host events and also the same for our Hungarian colleagues too. :)
Rijeka will prosper anyway because it is a significant port which is drawing huge investments. It will be giving Zagreb a serious run for its money in years to come. :yes:
greece is hot off the heels of the olympics, i seriously doubt they'll get the pick. what's the rest of the competition?
bubach_hlubach July 25th, 2005, 08:22 PM greece is hot off the heels of the olympics, i seriously doubt they'll get the pick. what's the rest of the competition?
I would say Italy is our strongest competition.
Greece could be as well, but their external debt is near 120% of their GDP, i dont think they would be able to afford it.
Regarding Poland/Ukraine, i dont give them much chances, especially not to Turkey.
:cheers:
SinCity July 26th, 2005, 01:27 AM I would say Italy is our strongest competition.
Greece could be as well, but their external debt is near 120% of their GDP, i dont think they would be able to afford it.
Regarding Poland/Ukraine, i dont give them much chances, especially not to Turkey.
:cheers:
I doubt Italy too because they held the same event way back in 1990. I'm sure they would want to try another country.
Poland/Ukraine is one possiblity, but I think our bid with Hungary is stronger. Especially when Hungry got knocked back a couple of times. A joint bid with us is better for both sides.
Turkey wont get it becuase its not really Europe and there is a fear of terrorism there.
That leaves Greece because they have the infrastructure in place but their preparation for the Olympics was a shambles which only succeeded in the last minute. I still think they are the strongest threat to our joint bid.
I hope we get it because it can be a step to hosting the Meditteranean games and maybe one day the Olympics.
mic of Orion July 26th, 2005, 01:35 AM I doubt Italy too because they held the same event way back in 1990. I'm sure they would want to try another country.
Poland/Ukraine is one possiblity, but I think our bid with Hungary is stronger. Especially when Hungry got knocked back a couple of times. A joint bid with us is better for both sides.
Turkey wont get it becuase its not really Europe and there is a fear of terrorism there.
That leaves Greece because they have the infrastructure in place but their preparation for the Olympics was a shambles which only succeeded in the last minute. I still think they are the strongest threat to our joint bid.
I hope we get it because it can be a step to hosting the Meditteranean games and maybe one day the Olympics.
Italy had world cup in 1990, but I agree they can't host it cose of it, they could but not before 2020 or 2030, thus allowing other countries to participate in this venture...
In my opinion Croatia and Hungary will get it, they are the best out of the proposed ideas, Athens and Greece already hosted great Olympic games, but it would be best for them (financially) not to host it and allow other countries to host this event... Poland and Ukraine is kind of to big, it is great idea, but I thin Poland should do it alone, and Ukraine same, 2 large countries hosting one such event would be logistic nightmare, but 2 smaller countries is much easier distances are short and as Croatian d Hungarian infrastructure is basically integrated, ppl could esily sit on trin for Zagreb and ce the match in Zagreb or move from Split to Gyor and so on...
Who else, what other countries are competing for this event?
PS, I think Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia should also host Winter Olympics sometimes around 2014, 2018, wouldn't that be a great idea? Mila what do you think ?
SinCity July 26th, 2005, 01:43 AM There were only 5 bids submitted as closure last week. They will narrow this down to 3 end of this year. They were ...
Croatia-Hungry
Poland-Ukraine
Turkey
Greece
Italy
So far Croatia-Hungry bid is the strong early favourite :yes:
I think they are planning to host joint winter Olympics. Would be a great idea IMO.
OettingerCroat July 26th, 2005, 06:32 AM you know, all of the other ones just aren't exciting. imo, greece can't bc it crippled itself with the olympics, italy has hosted many events and will be hosting the olympics this winter, poland and ukraine are.... well.... poland and ukraine...... and turkey is too unstable.
aside from italy and greece, Croatia and Hungary are the most vibrant countries that have a the most to offer.
mic, you're the economics pimp :colgate:, in what ways would Croatia and Hungary, or any country, for that matter, benefit from hosting Euro 2012
long foot July 26th, 2005, 08:17 AM I would say Italy is our strongest competition.
They hosted world cup in 1990, therefore it wouldn't be fair to give the host to them.
bubach_hlubach July 26th, 2005, 08:28 AM They hosted world cup in 1990, therefore it wouldn't be fair to give the host to them.
I know they did, and i also know it wouldnt be fair to let them host it again...but you never know. Everything is possible on European continent ;)
:cheers:
long foot July 26th, 2005, 08:29 AM Zapravo je sve lova i politika. Neki gradovi, poput Londona mogu dobiti OI 3 puta, neki pak neće nikad. Toliko o fair-playu.
bubach_hlubach July 26th, 2005, 08:36 AM O tome i govorim. Velike gospodarski i politicke snazne drzave uvijek kroje sudbine manjih drzava, kako u politici, tako i u sportu, koji je u ovoj situaciji, kad se odredjuje domacin prvenstva, na neki nacin takodjer odraz sposobnosti politickog dribljanja i nadmudrivanja, cime se nasa zemlja bas i ne moze podiciti, no bar imamo odlucne Madjare uz sebe. ;)
:cheers:
long foot July 26th, 2005, 08:50 AM Tako je! Zajedno u boj :horse: kao nekad davno :D
esseker July 26th, 2005, 01:30 PM when I asked one kid back then "who are you cheering for?" he said just that :bash:
I belive Italy won't get the next Euro because of the upcomming Winter Olimpics and also because of the rising danger from terorist attacks. They said that even now many tourists are avoiding Italy's major cities.
Ja navijam za Hrvatsko-Ugarska 2012! :)
mic of Orion July 26th, 2005, 03:40 PM you know, all of the other ones just aren't exciting. imo, greece can't bc it crippled itself with the olympics, italy has hosted many events and will be hosting the olympics this winter, poland and ukraine are.... well.... poland and ukraine...... and turkey is too unstable.
aside from italy and greece, Croatia and Hungary are the most vibrant countries that have a the most to offer.
mic, you're the economics pimp :colgate:, in what ways would Croatia and Hungary, or any country, for that matter, benefit from hosting Euro 2012
I don't know whether it would be good for Croatia to organise it from financial prospective, it would cost as much as 1.5 billion €, money that I don't know if state has in its budget, First of all completely new Stadium in Zagreb at least 50 000 setter is required, than 30 000 setter stadiums in Rijeka, Osijek and 20 000 setter in Zadar and Varazdin. All must be 5 star stadiums as per EUFA rulings, and all must have purpose after the event, which I think they'll do as are built in cities with strong Football tradition, Split Stadium needs to be modernised, it is brilliant stadium but needs to be updated and modernised to latest standards, for this you already talking about 500-700 million €... To improve infrastructure in cities who are hosting matches and update the road and pubic transport links it would cost another billion or even more, and to organise the event itself, costs would be shared with Hungary are in region of 300 million € is a minimum.
Benefits, more tourist, Both counties would benefit from swell of large number of football supporters (could be bad thing to) and both countries could get better ratings and recognition, Although Croatia is already major tourist nation I don't ce how it would benefit Croatia from tourist point, but it might be beneficial as to improving dilapidated stadiums and sport in general. Many ppl will remember Croatia for long time to come as for hosting the Euro 2012 and would visit the country ad a result in generations to come, but generally sporting events rarely contribute to a major tourist influx, most tourist like to stay away as they think there holidays might be ruined by all this mess going on next door, Greece is fine example they had actually less tourist for duration of Olympic games than in normally in this time...
Atlanta Georgia has completed disappeared from he map, and very few ppl go there to visit (it is vet beautiful city), all the sport facilities are left unused and Atlanta can't even host the World Junior Competitions. Sydney benefited for sporting facilities and it developed great sporting trends, Australia with 20 million Inhabitants won what 20 Gold Medals at the last Olympic games... It all depends...
Croatia might benefit from all this, we'll ce...
bubach_hlubach July 28th, 2005, 07:27 PM GRAĐEVINARI UŠLI U BUDUĆI NAJDUŽI RIJEČKI TUNEL S ISTOČNE STRANE
U Martinšćici počelo bušenje tunela Pećine
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/7/152392.jpg
Naš bager sada je 20-tak metara ispod Ulice Janka Polića Kamova, a uskoro planiramo proći ispod željezničke pruge i između dviju zgrada, ističe Zrinko Šiljeg
RIJEKA – Djelatnici Hidroelektre jučer su na lokaciji iznad Uvale Martinšćica započeli s bušenjem istočnog portala tunela Pećine, što znači da će se značajno povećati brzina gradnje ovog najvažnijeg objekta na trasi buduće ceste D-404, koja bi u travnju 2007. godine trebala povezati središte Rijeke i čvor Draga na riječkoj zaobilaznici. Sada će se provoditi dvostruko brža gradnja ovog najdužeg riječkog tunela i prosječno probijanje oko tri metra Pećina u jednom danu, a dosad je na zapadnoj strani iskopano 112 metara tunela, koji će ukupno biti dug 1.260 metara. Kako ističe pomoćnik voditelja gradilišta iz Hidroelektre Zrinko Šiljeg, predusjek istočnog portala uređen je na vrlo zahtjevnom i nasipanom terenu na lokaciji ispod bivše tvornice Vulkan. Problem je i što početak probijanja Pećina na istočnoj strani kasni oko šest mjeseci u odnosu na planove.
– Kako bismo nadoknadili izgubljeno vrijeme provodit ćemo paralelno s iskopima i betoniranje tunela, što bi nam trebalo omogućiti da tunel završimo na vrijeme. Imamo dobru suradnju s predstavnicima nadzora iz IGH i projektantima iz Rijekaprojekta. Sada smo na zapadnoj stRadovi nisu uzrokovali zagađenje
Na upit da li je gradnja tunela Pećine mogući uzrok zagađenja mora i plaže kod Hotela Park, Zrinko Šiljeg decidirano odgovara kako takva opcija realno ne postoji.
– Cijev tunela sada se nalazi na stotinjak metara zračne udaljenosti od Hotela Park, a mi dosad nismo tijekom bušenja uopće naišli na kanalizaciju, koja je još uvijek dosta udaljena od pozicije bušenja tunela. Smatram da je uzrok zagađenja to što jedan dio kuća u blizini obale uopće nije priključen na kanalizacijski sustav. Septičke jame su vjerojatno zapunjene pa je tako kroz spilje ili otvore u kršu došlo do propuštanja u more. Ljudi to zimi niti ne primjećuju, već tek sada kad je stigla sezona kupanja. Vjerujem da je to razlog, a o zagađenju zbog radova u tunelu ne može biti govora, ističe Šiljeg.
rani uspješno prošli ispod jedne zgrade s četiri kata i imamo nadsvođe iznad tunela debljine oko dvadesetak metara, što je daleko bolja situacija nego ranije, jer smo primjerice na početku prošli svega četiri do pet metara ispod teniskih tunela na Pećinama. Naš bager sada se nalazi točno 20-tak metara ispod Ulice Janka Polića Kamova, a uskoro planiramo proći ispod željezničke pruge i između dviju zgrada, ističe Šiljeg, koji na slikovit način pojašnjava koliko su rigorozne mjere opreza u gradnji tunela ispod gusto naseljenog područja Pećina.
Primjerice, Hidroelektra je na autocesti Zagreb-Split u Lici imala tempo probijanja tunela od čak 26 metara dnevno, dok se u Rijeci isti posao odvija barem pet puta sporije kako bi se svaki metar kvalitetno betonirao i podgradio. Oko 90 radnika Hidroelektre uposleno je na tunelu Pećine, a radi se non-stop u tri smjene uz nastojanje maksimalnog smanjenja buke zbog čega se bušenje najčešće ne provodi u noćnim satima.
long foot August 1st, 2005, 02:27 PM Rijeka, Tower center update ;)
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long foot August 1st, 2005, 02:37 PM If someone doesn't know what is Tower center ;) :D
http://www.policentro.it/site/centri/files/tc.progetto.JPG
http://www.gruppomediapolis.com/Engineering/immagini/Rijeka/Rijeka_02.jpg
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long foot August 1st, 2005, 03:25 PM Hey guys, did we report about Zagred project - new business building in Rijeka? I apologise if we did, there is so many projects in Rijeka that sometimes I forgot some of them…
http://www.zagrad.com/index.htm
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/down1.jpg
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http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/left.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/up-street.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/up_site%20.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/up1.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/up_air.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/wide.jpg
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/site.jpg
AstroBoy August 1st, 2005, 03:26 PM Cool render. Gives a much better profile of the project. If only we had construction photos of the shopping complex and office tower. Pity we dont have anyone here from Rijeka.
long foot August 1st, 2005, 03:30 PM And here is the article from Novi list related to new projects in Rijeka, including Zagrad :)
Veliki bum stambeno-poslovnih investicija u centru grada
Potok, uže središte grada, Pećine – najvažnije su lokacije na kojima se trenutno grade stambeno-poslovni objekti u kojima su četvorni metri, unatoč paprenim cijenama, gotovo već rasprodani. Tower Centar, Mima, Zagrad, Fenixve, Korzo 11 postat će, izgleda, prestižne adrese mnogim Riječanima…
Nakon godina građevinskog mrtvila u zadnjih nekoliko godina u Rijeci su osvanuli kranovi dizalica, a za sada oni dominiraju centrom grada koji je postao magnet za investitore. Oni očito vjeruju da u gradu ima dovoljno novca za vraćanje investicija pa ulažu u gradnju poslovno-stambenih kompleksa. Jedna takva građevina niče na Potoku, a investitor je pulska tvrtka Namještaj Mima. Ona je krenula u nadogradnju nekoliko katova koje izvodi pulska Istragradnja i to prilično brzo. Očekuje se da će objekt s 21 stanom, sedam poslovnih prostora i jednim velikim poslovnim prostorom u prizemlju biti gotov do sredine rujna ove godine, dok je useljenje predviđeno mjesec dana kasnije. Nitko nam nije želio otkriti koliko će trebati platiti četvorni metar stambenog prostora, ali budući da je riječ o vrlo atraktivnoj lokaciji, ne treba sumnjati da je točno da je potražnja velika. Formula je vrlo jednostavna, za ljude koji imaju puno novca valja graditi najkvalitetnije, a za takve više od 2.000 eura po četvornom metru nije nikakav problem. Stan u centru grada na neki je način i statusni simbol, pa što košta da košta. U Namještaju Mima najavljuju da će se u drugoj fazi gradnje urediti parkiralište od 1.500 metara četvornih za stanare i za potrebe tvrtke.
Nekoliko minuta vožnje od Potoka, na Pomeriju, niče stambeno-poslovno-trgovačka nadogradnja garaže Zagrad. Već i gradnja garaže s tisuću parkirališnih mjesta u koju je Austrograd investirao veliki novac se pokazala kao pun pogodak, a očito je da će ta tvrtka i te kako kapitalizirati uloženo nakon što se presiječe svečana vrpca projekta koji su osmislili Saša Randić i Idis Turato.
Fenixve početkom rujna
Direktora Austrograda Slavka Pilepića nije nimalo uznemirio raskid ugovora s Poreznom upravom koja se trebala preseliti u tu novogradnju jer je zanimanje za poslovne prostore Zagrada veliko. Lokacija koja jamči poslovni i stambeni prostor s parkiralištem je očito pun pogodak. Cijeli projekt je kasnio s početkom gradnje, govorilo se čak i o nemogućnosti zatvaranja financijske konstrukcije, ali nakon što su postavljene dizalice posao i te kako napreduje pa je očito da će već sljedeće godine Rijeka dobiti novu građevinu u centru grada. Bit će zanimljivo vidjeti koji će Riječani izdvojiti novac za kupnju stambenih prostora u Zagradu. Izvođač radova je Habau Građenje koji je svojski prionuo kako bi se stigli zacrtani rokovi.
Austrograd je investitor i gradnje garaže Fenixve kod Filozofskog fakulteta koja je nakon godina čekanja i sramoćenja napokon pri kraju, a automobili bi se mogli parkirati na mjestu nekadašnjeg igrališta i parka početkom rujna ove godine. Treba podsjetiti da je cijeli projekt započeo prije gotovo deset godina, ali braća Španjol su očito imala druge stvari na pameti, a ne realizaciju Fenixvea čija se kompjutorska simulacija godinama vrtjela u izlogu gradske uprave na Korzu 16. Uglavnom, zamisao Španjolovih se srušila kao kula od karata, a Fenixve u stečaju je kupio Austrograd, obećavši izgradnju garaže. No, i Slavko Pilepić je kasnio s početkom gradnje, ali nakon što je došlo do preprojektiranja, gradski oci su odahnuli jer su radovi krenuli. Industrogradnja je s 50-ak radnika svladala ni malo lagano gradilište. Preostaje samo posao uređenja javnoga trga, a što je obveza Grada Rijeke prema ugovoru s Austrogradom.
Natječaj za Gradsku knjižnicu
Ta tvrtka je prodala Gradu Rijeci pravo građenja nove zgrade Gradske knjižnice iznad podzemne garaže, a isto je napravila i s gradnjom poslovno-stambenog dijela koji će realizirati drugi investitor. Što se tiče zgrade knjižnice, u tijeku je natječaj za idejno-urbanističko i arhitektonsko rješenje. Radnici koje smo zatekli na gradilištu tvrde da je riješen problem s podzemnim vodama koje su bile jedan od najvećih problema graditeljima pa se građani ne moraju bojati da će im automobili biti poplavljeni u garaži. Bit će zanimljivoi, budući da je riječ o privatnom objektu, koliko će u Fenixveu trebati platiti sat parkiranja jer je riječ o jednoj od najskupljih gradnji zbog specifičnosti terena. Podsjećamo, sat parkiranja u Austrogradu je osam kuna. No, Slavko Pilepić može staviti cijenu koliku hoće jer trenutno ima monopol na garažni prostor, a garaža Rijeka prometa u Ciottinoj ulici je sve prije nego ozbiljna konkurencija. Tako će biti sve dok Rijeka promet ne izgradi pravu garažu, a gradonačelnik Vojko Obersnel je obećao da će to biti u ovom njegovom mandatu, na lokaciji zapadne Žabice.
Ruke može trljati i Zoran Maržić, direktor EKI-Mercatone Invictusa, jer je njegova investicija, rekonstrukcija i nadogradnja zgrade Korzo 11, napokon zaživjela i privodi se kraju, a riječ je o jednom od najisplativijih projekata. Ne treba sumnjati da će se najam ili kupnja poslovnog prostora u Maržićevoj nadogradnji plaćati suhim zlatom jer je objekt smješten do zgrade u kojoj stoluje župan Zlatko Komadina i nasuprot gradske ure. Bolje lokacije za gradnju u Rijeci nema. S tim projektom, koji su također osmislili Randić i Turato, bilo je jako puno problema. Budući da se godinama iz Korza 11 nije mogla iseliti Mladost koja je tamo imala knjižaru, prvi investitor je odustao, a na drugom natječaju je Maržić bio bolji od Goranka Fižulića, vlasnika Magme.
Tower Centar gotovo rasprodan
No, svakako je najveće riječko poslovno gradilište na Pećinama, a riječ je o gradnji Tower Centra. Za razliku od škurinjske sramote i montažnih objekata zbog kojih je taj dio grada zakrčen, a vlasnici trgovačkih centara pune džepove, objekt na Pećinama je impresivan, a reklo bi se i premonumentalan za jedan od najelitnijih dijelova grada čiju će ljepotu zasjeniti ogromne količine betona, kao što ju je zasjenila i gradnja nebodera u Ulici Janka Polića Kamova. No, dok su se u socijalizmu gradile spavaonice, kapitalizam je donio druge kriterije i gradnju trgovačko-poslovnog središta. Gotovo je nevjerojatno da svaki dan niče po jedan kat budućeg poslovnog tornja i trgovačkog centra talijanskog Gruppo Policentro, ali očito je da je investicija od 150 do 200 milijuna eura najbolji motor građevinskoj operativi. Kada se taj iznos izrazi u kunama, jasno je da je riječ o gotovo dvogodišnjem gradskom budžetu. Radove izvodi talijanska tvrtka Rizzani de Eccher, a prema riječima čelnih ljudi Policentra Rijeka oni su u završnoj fazi zahvaljujući angažmanu najmanje 150 radnika. Inače, već je rasprodano 60 posto trgovačkog centra na pet etaža, a nema sumnje da će dobro ići i prodaja ureda u 15-katnom poslovnom tornju kada ona krene. I ovaj projekt je bio u potpunosti zamro i godinama je bio gradska sramota. Grad Rijeka i Transadria nisu uspjeli realizirati WTC, kako se gradilište na Pećinama nekada zvalo, ali dolaskom Talijana stvar je spašena. Da bi sve moglo funkcionirati, potrebno je izgraditi pristupne ceste. To će se financirati iz gradske blagajne, a iznos će biti pozamašan i teško da će se pokriti iz komunalnog doprinosa koji će platiti Policentro Rijeka. Tower Centar će imati prilaz iz trotračnog tunela koji se gradi na Pećinama, a u trgovački raj će se moći doći i iz Radničke ulice. Gradit će se i rotor koji mora biti gotov do sredine sljedeće godine, kada bi Tower Centar trebao biti otvoren.
Rijeka zanimljiva privatnom kapitalu
Investiranje privatnog kapitala nastavit će se gradnjom podzemne garaže s tisuću parkirališnih mjesta na Gomili i pravog malog grada na prostoru kod »socijalnog« gdje je trenutno ulično parkiralište Rijeka prometa. Švicarska tvrtka Midia Investments u suradnji sa Strabagom je samo za pravo građenja platila 8,8 milijuna eura pa će očito cijela investicija biti pozamašna, kao i gradilište.
Grad Rijeka najveći investitor
U sljedeće četiri godine broj građevinskih dizalica u Rijeci bi se trebao povećati, a kao jedan od najvećih investitora pojavit će se Grad Rijeka. Unatoč tome što Vlada nije dala suglasnost za izdanje municipalnih obveznica, gradska vlast tvrdi da će se izgraditi ono što je obećano u predizbornoj kampanji. To znači da će se graditi nova zgrada Gradske knjižnice, Muzej moderne i suvremene umjetnosti, novi autobusni kolodvor, gradnja novog bazena je već počela, trebao bi krenuti i projekt nove dvorane na Zametu... Lučka uprava najavljuje gradnju putničkog terminala i daljnje zahvate na riječkoj obali, a nastavit će se i investiranje u cestovnu infrastrukturu.
Hypo banka najveći kreditor
Nekad je većinu investicija podupirala Riječka banka koja je osiguravala kreditna sredstva investitorima. No, nakon što je Riječka banka upokojena, Erste nije pokazala pretjerano zanimanje za plasman novca u riječke investicije. Za razliku od Hypo banke koja je dala kreditna sredstva Austrogradu za Zagrad i Fenixve, a novcem te banke se gradi i nadogradnja Korza 11. Nakon izgradnje upravo će u Zagradu biti novo sjedište Hypo banke koja je tako na velika vrata ušla u Rijeku, o čemu je mogla samo sanjati dok Ivan Štokić i njegov menadžment nije upokojio Riječku banku.
www.novilist.hr
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long foot August 1st, 2005, 03:40 PM Cool render. Gives a much better profile of the project. If only we had construction photos of the shopping complex and office tower. Pity we dont have anyone here from Rijeka.
Visit previous page, I posted pics from Tower Center construction site :)
AstroBoy August 1st, 2005, 03:47 PM Brillant piece of information Long Foot. I think a lot of us feel that Rijeka will surely take the tittle of the largest city on the Croatian coast if not the Adriatic away from Split. Rijeka is drawing plenty of projects that actually create jobs thereby sealing this opportunity.
The Tower shopping centre is a true mega mall which is a first for Croatia. There are plenty of shopping complexes across Croatia but this is by far the biggest of them all.
Fantastic news. :)
mic of Orion August 1st, 2005, 06:23 PM great stuff guys
esseker August 1st, 2005, 11:52 PM mislim da cu sazeti svoje dojmove o projektima u Rijeci u jedan dugi WOOOOW!
Ma Rijeka mi je oduvijek izgledala "metropolski", nisam imao prilike posjetiti Rijeku (nakon sto sam se ko klinjo izgubio u njoj negdje kod Trsata) ali podsjeca me na Barcelonu!
SinCity August 2nd, 2005, 02:03 AM Great find LF. Good source of information as always. Rijeka will do good in the years to come. Hopefully they get the Mediterranean Games and also the Euro Cup 2012.
long foot August 2nd, 2005, 11:43 AM Zaboravio sam napomenuti jednu sitnicu u vezi projekta Zagrad: navodno bi, prema Novom listu (http://www.novilist.hr/Default.asp?WCI=Rubrike&WCU=285928602863285928582863285A28582858285A2863287A287128632863285B285A285D285B286128632863286328582863L), u sklopu Zagrada trebala biti sagrađena i gradska željeznička stanica. S obzirom na to gdje se nalazi spomenuti kompleks, stanica može biti jedino podzemna (koliko ja znam), jer pruga dvjestotinjak metara zapadno od željezničkog kolodvora ulazi u tunel...
Ovo je plan grada na kojem se nalazi obilježen projekt Zagrad:
http://www.randic-turato.hr/new/zagrad/site.jpg
A ovo je plan brze gradske željeznice u Rijeci. Pretpostavljam da će nova stanica biti sagrađena odmah nakon ulaska u tunel.
K vragu, treba mi netko iz rijeke, da mi razjasni ovu dilemu!
http://www.rijeka.hr/Download/2004/02/25/Promet.jpg
Poglavarstvo Rijeke (http://www.rijeka.hr/default.asp?ru=367&gl=200208300000001&sid=&jezik=1) planiralo je uvesti gradsku željeznicu do 2005. ali očito nije sve išlo po planu.
long foot August 2nd, 2005, 03:06 PM Works preogress (http://www.rijeka.hr/default.asp?ru=786&gl=200506210000009&sid=&jezik=1) on new pool construction site in Rijeka – construction started early this year.
Rendering:
http://www.studiozoppini.it/Project/PR_Rijeka/1.jpg
OettingerCroat August 2nd, 2005, 07:11 PM je li "brza gradska zeljeznica" tramvaj?
long foot August 2nd, 2005, 09:03 PM Nije tramvaj već elektromotorni vlak koji vozi po redovnoj željezničkoj pruzi i zaustavlja se na stajalištima koja su obično udaljena oko 1-2 km jedno od drugog. Pravilniji izraz bi bio prigradska željeznica. Ne znam zašto dodaju ovo "brza" kad vozi najviše 60 km/h.
SinCity August 3rd, 2005, 02:31 AM As Long Foot put it, its electrified suburban trains. The existing lines and tunnels are already there, its merely a matter of building more stations to service this network and supply of trains.
Its a Rijeka city council plan for better public transport which is a great idea.
I'm glad there will be a possibility of an underground station beneath the Zagrad project. It will give Rijeka a subway station well in advance of Zagreb. :)
OettingerCroat August 3rd, 2005, 05:19 AM Nije tramvaj već elektromotorni vlak koji vozi po redovnoj željezničkoj pruzi i zaustavlja se na stajalištima koja su obično udaljena oko 1-2 km jedno od drugog. Pravilniji izraz bi bio prigradska željeznica. Ne znam zašto dodaju ovo "brza" kad vozi najviše 60 km/h.
hvala lijepa gospodine LF :colgate:
hey, with a subway, why would rijeka additionally need trams? more for around the city center, just for people to get around w/o walking?
SinCity August 3rd, 2005, 05:27 AM hvala lijepa gospodine LF :colgate:
hey, with a subway, why would rijeka additionally need trams? more for around the city center, just for people to get around w/o walking?
Even if they build the 3rd rail line which will be largely underground. You can see the limitations still for public transportation in Rijeka. The tram will be able to expand on this network. There can never be 'enough' public transportation IMO. In Rijeka's case they need it otherwise the future traffic conjestion will make Zagreb's problems look like Disneyland ....
long foot August 12th, 2005, 11:09 AM Zagrad garage and business center in Rijeka, works progress:
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4459/untitled31qh.jpg
OettingerCroat August 12th, 2005, 07:12 PM gosh, the facades on the buildings on the left are so depressing! To foreigners, sheeing all those shitty facades in zagreb/rijeka must be such a turn off! why aren't they doing something about it?
long foot August 12th, 2005, 08:49 PM To tell you the truth, 80% of facades in Rijeka and 50% in Zagreb (according to my calculations) are in terrible conditions.
According to Zagreb city authirities, 1200 facades in center of Zagreb must be renovated. Huge number, isnt it? But many of them have been fixed lately, almost all state institutions renovated their buildings and facades in last 10 years, like HŽ, Esplanade hotel, Glavni kolodvor, Vrhovni sud, Županijski sud etc etc.
long foot August 17th, 2005, 02:31 PM Evo baš nađoh pdf dokument u koje ima hrpa informacija o Tower cnetru u Rijeci, pa koga zanima, neka klikne ovdje (http://www.policentro.it/site/centro_eng.cfm?id_centro=23&id_scheda=15&id_categoria=2), pa na link informative brochure.
Koliko se ja sjećam lokacije na kojoj se gradi taj projekt, odmah pored njega prolazi željeznička pruga prema Zagrebu, pa mi pade na pamet da ne bi bilo loše kad bi se investitor sjetio da sagradi i neku željezničku stanicu kraj centra (kao što je Horvatinčić htio kraj Hoto towera, ali se njegov prijedlog izgubio u gradskoj birokratskoj proceduri). Tako bi učinili nešto za opće dobro, a svom centru bi osigurali još više posjetitelja koji bi izlazili i ulazili na spomenutoj stanici.
OettingerCroat August 17th, 2005, 06:53 PM thx for the pdf long foot!
bubach_hlubach August 17th, 2005, 08:48 PM To tell you the truth, 80% of facades in Rijeka and 50% in Zagreb (according to my calculations) are in terrible conditions.
According to Zagreb city authirities, 1200 facades in center of Zagreb must be renovated. Huge number, isnt it? But many of them have been fixed lately, almost all state institutions renovated their buildings and facades in last 10 years, like HŽ, Esplanade hotel, Glavni kolodvor, Vrhovni sud, Županijski sud etc etc.
80 posto fasada u Rijeci je u groznom stanju? Pa kad si ti bil zadnji put u Rijeci?
Ja sam bio prije tocno 4 godine, grad se je cijeli sjajio. No to je bilo onda, do dana danasnjeg Rijeka je jos vise uznapredovala, imam hrpu novijih fotki Rijeke. Zagreb se moze sakriti pred Rijekom po tom pitanju.
:cheers:
OettingerCroat August 17th, 2005, 09:53 PM ^^well thats good news. but since Zagreb is our money-town, all those facades should be shining like pearls. ;)
long foot August 17th, 2005, 10:17 PM 80 posto fasada u Rijeci je u groznom stanju? Pa kad si ti bil zadnji put u Rijeci?
Ja sam bio prije tocno 4 godine, grad se je cijeli sjajio. No to je bilo onda, do dana danasnjeg Rijeka je jos vise uznapredovala, imam hrpu novijih fotki Rijeke. Zagreb se moze sakriti pred Rijekom po tom pitanju.
:cheers:
Sjaje ti se one reprezentativne zgrade na Rivi i na Korzu, zatim crkve, HNK, Guvernerova palača i slično, ali ako se makneš 100 metara od strogog centra Rijeke, naći ćeš sivilo. Njihove su fasade sigurno u 3 puta gorem stanju od zagrebačkih, ali da ih konstantno šminkaju, to je činjenica ;)
bubach_hlubach August 17th, 2005, 10:50 PM Sjaje ti se one reprezentativne zgrade na Rivi i na Korzu, zatim crkve, HNK, Guvernerova palača i slično, ali ako se makneš 100 metara od strogog centra Rijeke, naći ćeš sivilo. Njihove su fasade sigurno u 3 puta gorem stanju od zagrebačkih, ali da ih konstantno šminkaju, to je činjenica ;)
Slazem se da je centar grada dotjeraniji od ostatka, ali tvrditi da je gore od Zagreba nema smisla, jer po mojoj procjeni ako cemo o fasadama, nema zapustenijeg glavnog grada u Europi od Zagreba ;)
:cheers:
SinCity August 18th, 2005, 02:22 AM Slazem se da je centar grada dotjeraniji od ostatka, ali tvrditi da je gore od Zagreba nema smisla, jer po mojoj procjeni ako cemo o fasadama, nema zapustenijeg glavnog grada u Europi od Zagreba ;)
:cheers:
Zagreb je OK, tribaš viditi kako stašno izgleda Beograd. To ti je najzapuštenijeg glavnog grada u Europi. :D
Aleks011 August 18th, 2005, 02:29 AM Ne bih se slozio..
Beograd je veoma napredovao poslednjih godinu dve u renoviranju fasada, i citavi blokovi su renovirani, and the reconstruction is till ongoing.
Iako mi se ZG svideo kad sam bio prosle godine, moram da kazem da me je iskreno iznenadilo stanje fasada.. mozda bas zato sto svi u Beogradu pricaju kako je toboze ZG sto se toga tice napredniji... moj utisak je da nije. Doduse, pogledajmo i recimo Budimpestu, koja je takodje veoma zapustena sto se fasada tice. Samo sto Budimpesta ima 1000.000 fasada koje su vredne renoviranja, pa im se mozda i ne moze zameriti..
SinCity August 18th, 2005, 02:38 AM Evo baš nađoh pdf dokument u koje ima hrpa informacija o Tower cnetru u Rijeci, pa koga zanima, neka klikne ovdje (http://www.policentro.it/site/centro_eng.cfm?id_centro=23&id_scheda=15&id_categoria=2), pa na link informative brochure.
Koliko se ja sjećam lokacije na kojoj se gradi taj projekt, odmah pored njega prolazi željeznička pruga prema Zagrebu, pa mi pade na pamet da ne bi bilo loše kad bi se investitor sjetio da sagradi i neku željezničku stanicu kraj centra (kao što je Horvatinčić htio kraj Hoto towera, ali se njegov prijedlog izgubio u gradskoj birokratskoj proceduri). Tako bi učinili nešto za opće dobro, a svom centru bi osigurali još više posjetitelja koji bi izlazili i ulazili na spomenutoj stanici.
Dobro ideja. :okay:
bubach_hlubach August 18th, 2005, 02:52 AM Ne bih se slozio..
Beograd je veoma napredovao poslednjih godinu dve u renoviranju fasada, i citavi blokovi su renovirani, and the reconstruction is till ongoing.
Iako mi se ZG svideo kad sam bio prosle godine, moram da kazem da me je iskreno iznenadilo stanje fasada.. mozda bas zato sto svi u Beogradu pricaju kako je toboze ZG sto se toga tice napredniji... moj utisak je da nije. Doduse, pogledajmo i recimo Budimpestu, koja je takodje veoma zapustena sto se fasada tice. Samo sto Budimpesta ima 1000.000 fasada koje su vredne renoviranja, pa im se mozda i ne moze zameriti..
Sve ok. Samo stavljati Beograd u isti kontekst s Budimpestom ili Zagrebom nema previse smisla, jer ova dva grada su ipak riznice bogatog tradicionalnog graditeljstva u cije se drustvo Beograd sa svojih 30ak zgrada ipak ne moze sustinski uklopiti.
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OettingerCroat August 18th, 2005, 05:18 AM Ne bih se slozio..
Beograd je veoma napredovao poslednjih godinu dve u renoviranju fasada, i citavi blokovi su renovirani, and the reconstruction is till ongoing.
Iako mi se ZG svideo kad sam bio prosle godine, moram da kazem da me je iskreno iznenadilo stanje fasada.. mozda bas zato sto svi u Beogradu pricaju kako je toboze ZG sto se toga tice napredniji... moj utisak je da nije. Doduse, pogledajmo i recimo Budimpestu, koja je takodje veoma zapustena sto se fasada tice. Samo sto Budimpesta ima 1000.000 fasada koje su vredne renoviranja, pa im se mozda i ne moze zameriti..
slusaj prijeteju, pitaj sto ljudi koji grad bi oni radje posjetili/zivjeli. samo po tome zagreb bi pobijedo bez pitanja. neka mi obojica pustimo nase nacionalisticke osjecaje. svijet bi se lako slozio da je zagreb bogatiji grad, ekonomski stabilniji grad, bolji grad za posjetu, i u glavnom, BOLJI grad.
bubach_hlubach August 18th, 2005, 05:25 AM ^^ ovdje nije rijec o novcima i zivotnim standardima, vec o fasadama lol :D
btw, vratimo se natrag na temu o Rijeci zbog koje je i ovaj thread specijalno otvoren :)
:cheers:
OettingerCroat August 18th, 2005, 06:58 AM well he started the typical shitting over belgrade being superior, and you commented negatively too, so made a completey true and fair, non-regionalistic statement.
so anyways I'll share a pic of Rijeka with you guys, which i took from Opatija:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v320/LardySlovenian/100_0092.jpg
SinCity August 18th, 2005, 07:30 AM Nice pic. :)
long foot August 18th, 2005, 08:23 AM Slazem se da je centar grada dotjeraniji od ostatka, ali tvrditi da je gore od Zagreba nema smisla, jer po mojoj procjeni ako cemo o fasadama, nema zapustenijeg glavnog grada u Europi od Zagreba ;)
:cheers:
Eto ja tvrdim da su riječke fasade gore, mada mi dođe da plačem kad prošećem Palmotićevom, Petrinjskom, zelenim valovima i slično. Te su ulice pune starih fasde koje bi bile prekrasne, samo da im se malo pažnje posveti.
A što se tiče zapuštenijeg glavnog grada od Zagreba, dalo bi ih se naći koliko hoćeš, ali neću sad ulazit u to ;)
lindenthaler August 19th, 2005, 05:45 PM Nemam nameru da se flejmujem ovde, ali hlubach totalno si pogresio ako mislis da BGD ima 30tak fasada, 90% kvartova u centru je sagradjeno u beckom stilu, ovo je otprilike kraj gde ima tih bas starih fasada
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/8229/bgdold9fw.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bgdold9fw.jpg)
Ako te interesuju slike baci PM pa ces ih imati :)
@SinCity, ne brini se ti oko "ruznog beograda", mi stalno igramo na faktor iznenadjenja, video sam dosta srecnih turistickih faca ovog leta ;)
Nemam nimalo nameru da budem "zao", ali jednostavno neke stvari vredjaju pogotovu ako drugi pisu gluposti o gradu u kojem zivim a nikad nisu bili u njemu zadnjih 5-6 godina. Za razliku od nekih forumera Aleks011 je bar bio i tamo i ovamo pa moze da sudi o nekim stvarima :)
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Medofish August 19th, 2005, 06:08 PM slusaj prijeteju, pitaj sto ljudi koji grad bi oni radje posjetili/zivjeli. samo po tome zagreb bi pobijedo bez pitanja. neka mi obojica pustimo nase nacionalisticke osjecaje. svijet bi se lako slozio da je zagreb bogatiji grad, ekonomski stabilniji grad, bolji grad za posjetu, i u glavnom, BOLJI grad.
Jarane, stoji to da je Zagreb stabilniji, bogatiji i odnosti pobjedu u ekonomiji, ali Beograd ima duh metropolisa, a Zagreb nema. Da ne bude zabune, bio sam u oba grada, u Zagrebu prije godinu-dvije, pokušao sam za jedan dan da što više toga vidim, i mislim da sam uspio vidjeti bar pola grada. Što se tiče Beograda, tu sam malo lošiji, ali opet dovoljno da kažem da je Beograd mnogo zanimljiviji grad za turiste, jedini balkanski metropolis. Zagreb nije metropolis, Zagreb je jedan veliki kulturno-poslovni centar regije.
Što se tiče budućnosti oba grada, Zagreb ima blistavu budućnost, a Beograd potencijale koji prevazilaze potencijale svakog drugog balkanskog grada, pa i šire. Napredak od pada režima je odroman, za 5 godina grad se preporodio. To možda nije tako očito nekome ko živi tamo, ali kad dođeš 2000 godine, pa onda 2005 godine opet, onda se to itekako vidi.
Ja Zagrebu želim sve najbolje, dabogda se beogradska uprava u mnogim stvarima ugledala na zagrebačku :okay:
OettingerCroat August 19th, 2005, 06:45 PM Jarane, stoji to da je Zagreb stabilniji, bogatiji i odnosti pobjedu u ekonomiji, ali Beograd ima duh metropolisa, a Zagreb nema. Da ne bude zabune, bio sam u oba grada, u Zagrebu prije godinu-dvije, pokušao sam za jedan dan da što više toga vidim, i mislim da sam uspio vidjeti bar pola grada. Što se tiče Beograda, tu sam malo lošiji, ali opet dovoljno da kažem da je Beograd mnogo zanimljiviji grad za turiste, jedini balkanski metropolis. Zagreb nije metropolis, Zagreb je jedan veliki kulturno-poslovni centar regije.
ne, bez sale, jesi u pravu uvezi metropola i tih stvari. Ali ja neznam ako se bas moze reci da je ijedan grad nesto posebno vise zanimljiv za turiste. Svaki grad ima svoje znamenitosti.
ali po broj turista, ocito je zagreb grad koji je vise posijecen.
bubach_hlubach August 19th, 2005, 06:47 PM Opet se vrtimo na relacijama Zagreb-Beograd, i to na threadu koji nema veze niti s jednim od ovo dvoje, isto kao kaj Zagreb nema veze s Beogradom i obrnuto.
Zagreb i Beograd su dva totalno nespojiva pojma, jedino kaj ih kak ti skupa povezuje je donedavno zajednicka proslost, i to je sve.
Stimung, atmosfera, ozracje, mentalitet grada, arhitektura i konacno generalni izgled ova dva grada stoje kao kruska i mandarina jedno pokraj drugoga. lol
@Stevan, nisam te mislio uvrijediti s onih 30ak zgrada, vec sam to cuo od mnostva drugih ljudi koji su posjetili Beograd, neki od njih cak i vole Beograd da ne bi bilo da su neki zadojeni subjektivci. Plus kaj sam i sam osobno vidio mnostvo friskih slika na EE forumu. Sorry, ti valjda znas bolje, to je tvoj grad, ja sam samo dobio takav dojam iz prica prijatelja i poznanika, i kroz slike postane ovdje na forumu :)
@Saray, pa Zagreb niti nije Balkan, meni vise izgleda kao manji Bec ili na momente bih se usudio reci kao Prag, naravno za takav dojam od prve ruke, treba se i vise novca uloziti u fasade, da sva ona ljepota dodje vise do izrazaja.
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long foot August 19th, 2005, 08:42 PM Naš grad je ljepši od vašeg, ne naš je grad ljepši, vaš je ružan, ne, vaš je ružan... :lol: nikamo nećemo tako stići.
Ali stvarno ne razumijem po čemu je Beograd metropolis, a Zagreb nije? Po broju stanovnika? Broj stanovnika nikad nije bio kriterij kvalitete nekog grada. Osim toga, vi se dečki zavaravate da je Zagreb puno manju, jer ne živite u njemu pa ne znate koliko se grad izgradio u zadnjih 15 godina.
I ne vidim iskreno, ali iskoreno, koje to bitne SADRŽAJE Beograd ima na kojima bismo mu mogli pozavidjeti jer ih mi nemamo. Nek mi netko odgovori na to pitanje, ali ozbiljno i bez preseravanja.
lindenthaler August 19th, 2005, 08:51 PM ^^ Mogao bi da ti odgovorim, ali posto ce sa sigurnoscu da vodi do medjusobnog smaranja na ovom threadu bolje da ne. Nastavite sa Rijekom :okay:
long foot August 19th, 2005, 09:00 PM imaš pravo, ne znamo kako uopće uvijek dođe do ovoga...
Medofish August 19th, 2005, 09:01 PM Da, slažem se. Kada se otvori neki thread na nekom podforumu za svakojake priče onda ću reći zašto je Beograd metropois u pravom smislu te riječi, a Zagreb nije...po meni naravno. Nije u redu da se jedan od boljih construction thread-ova zagađuje spamom ;)
lindenthaler August 19th, 2005, 09:07 PM imaš pravo, ne znamo kako uopće uvijek dođe do ovoga...
Cek cek, da vidis kakva se hemija desava izmedju nemaca i francuza ako im dodas "Saarbruecken" medju reci u forumu :lol:
btw.
sto se luckih gradova tice (sto pretpostavljam da je Rijeka isto) kako stoji u odnosu na ostale gradove u HR ? Da li je potiska Split ili su relativno ravnomerni ?
long foot August 19th, 2005, 09:09 PM Slobodno reci ovdje, ionako smo zaspamali thread. A ja ću ti reći zašto nisi u pravu ;)
long foot August 19th, 2005, 09:12 PM Cek cek, da vidis kakva se hemija desava izmedju nemaca i francuza ako im dodas "Saarbruecken" medju reci u forumu :lol:
btw.
sto se luckih gradova tice (sto pretpostavljam da je Rijeka isto) kako stoji u odnosu na ostale gradove u HR ? Da li je potiska Split ili su relativno ravnomerni ?
Podjednaki su, s tim da je Rijeka ekonomski nešto malo jača, zbog luke i blizine Zagreba. Ali slične su veličine, podjednaki sadržaji, itd.
OettingerCroat August 19th, 2005, 09:35 PM pa i rijeka je modernija, zar ne?
bubach_hlubach August 19th, 2005, 09:48 PM Rijeka je gospodarski dosta jaca od Splita, ima dva puta visi BDP, razvijeniju prometnu i industrijsku, pa tako i lucku infrastrukturu, ali je po turistickim pokazateljima daleko iza Splita.
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bubach_hlubach August 19th, 2005, 10:03 PM Tradicionalni rijecki karneval ;)
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5166/rijekacarneval20048vq.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2316/rijekacrneval200414nt.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/4710/275035422davduaph5jh.jpg
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/664/275038210akebfwph8js.jpg
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long foot August 19th, 2005, 10:08 PM Za one koji i ubuduće požele porediti Zagreb s drugim gradovima, nek ih slobodno usporede s ovim sadržajima, po kojima se ocjenjuje je li neki grad metropola ili nije:
Više od 30 muzeja - najvažniji su:
Mimara, Arheološki muzej, Muzej grada Zagreba, Povijesni muzej, Muzej za umjetnost i obrt, Muzej suvremene umjetnosti (nova zgrada u izgradnji), Muzej arhitekture, Etnografski muzej, Tehnički muzej, Prirodoslovni muzej...
Najvažnije Galerije s djelima hrvatskih i europskih majstora poput Goye, Rembrandta, El Greca, Botticelija itd:
Moderna galerija, Strossmayerova galerija, Galerija Gradec, Galerija Klovićevi dvori, Gliptoteka HAZU, Galerija Meštrović, Dom likovnih umjetnika (popularna džamija na Trgu žrtava fašizma), Umjetnički paviljon
Više na: http://www.zagreb-touristinfo.hr/?id=94&l=h&nav=nav4
Kina i multipleksi :
Cinestar 13 dvorana
Broadway Tkalča 5 dvorana
Broadway Galerija 3 dvorane
+ još 15-ak single kino dvorana
15-ak gradskih kazališta koje svakodnevno izvode predstave: HNK, Komedija, Exit, ZKM, Vidra, Gavella, Žar ptica, Trešnja, Kazalište lutaka, &td, Mala scena, KNAP Pešćenica, Kazalište Kerempuh...
Druge velike kulturne ustanove:
Nova nacionalna knjižnica (sagrađena 1996):
Stara nacionalna knjižnica (sagrađena 1912, danas državni arhiv)
Koncertna dvorana Lisinski (oko 2.500 mjesta u velikoj dvorani)
Hrvatski glazbeni zavod
Hrvatska akademija znanosti i umjetnosti
30-ak manjih gradskih knjižnica
Zagrebačko sveučilište (broj studenata) – oko 60.000 studenata, oko 35 fakulteta
Niz privatnih visokih škola za menadžment, turizam i slično, vojne škole i neovisna visoka učilišta
5 velikih studentskih domova
Promet :
15 linija tramvaja, oko 75 km tramvajske pruge, 250 tramvaja (dnevno preveze 900.000 putnika)
Prigradska željeznica s 15-ak stajališta, vlakovi voze svakih 20-30 minuta, 60.000-75.000 putnika dnevno
Oko 120 gradskih autobusnih linija na kojima vozi oko 500 buseva
Sljemenska žičara
Broj turista koji svake godine posjete grad – oko milijun
Noćni klubovi, zabava, restorani itd:
teško je uopće reći brojku, jer ih jedostavno ima previše, često se održavaju koncerti poznatih stranih pjevača i grupa (Tipa Santana, deep purple, White Stripes, Nick Cave its) te koncerti ozbiljne glazbe uz gostovanja svjetskih orkestara (poput Berlinske filharmonije, Londonske filharmonije itd)
Popis nekih poznatijih noćnih klubova:
http://www.zagreb-touristinfo.hr/?id=100&l=h&nav=nav6
Popis poznatijih restorana:
http://www.zagreb-touristinfo.hr/?id=99&l=h&nav=nav6
Najvažniji međunarodni festivali (filmski, glazbeni, kazališni...):
Zagreb film festival
Festival svjetskog kazališta
Međunarodni festival studentskog teatra TEST
Earwing Jazz festival
Zagrebački barokni festival
Festival svetog Marka...
Shopping centri – luksuzni:
Importanne Galeria
Importane centar
Branimir centar
Kaptol centar
City Centar Varteks
Masovni centri:
Mercatone, 2 Metroa, Getro, Mercator, Billa, Kaufland, King Kross, Lesnina... ima ih ukupno oko 30 + nekolicina koji se trenutno grade
Broj luksuznih hotela: – 5 zvjezdica:
Sheraton
Westin
Regent Esplanade
4 zvjezdice:
Palace
Dubrovnik
Arcotell Alegra (otvoren lani)
Aristos (otvoren prije 2 godine)
International (obnavlja se)
Panorama
Hotel Antunović (najvjerojatnije 4 zvjezdice, u izgradnji)
O hotelima 2 i 3 zvjezdice suvišno je trošiti riječi...
Zagrebački velesajam: oko 40 paviljona, 11 na svijetu
Sportski sadržaji:
Stadion Dinama (rekonstrukcija, imat će oko 40.000 mjesta)
Stadion „Zagreba“ oko 20.000 mjesta
Košarkaška dvorana Cibona (oko 7.000 mjesta)
Dom sportova (višenamjenska dvorana, oko 12.000 mjesta u velikoj dvorani)
Niz velikih multifunkcionalnih sportskih centara poput Mladosti, Svetica, Šalate itd, Plivačkih bazena i slično
Veliki parkovi:
Maksimir
Tuškanac
Ribnjak
Park prirode Medvednica odmah iznad Zagreba, do njega vozi žičara
17 velikih bolnica
(najveće su Dubrava i Rebro, nova Sveučilišna bolnica je u izgradnji) + nekoliko desetaka domova zdravlja
Gradski proračuna Zagreba iznosi 750 milijuna eura 2005 godine, na oko miliijun stanovnika ispada oko 750 eura per capita
;)
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bubach_hlubach August 19th, 2005, 10:17 PM ^^ A gde je mecka koja ume da igra nasred bulevara ? To vredi bar 3 pozorista i jedan bioskop :D :jk:
:cheers:
lindenthaler August 19th, 2005, 10:40 PM ^^ :rofl:
LF zaista mi nije do poredjenja, bilo bi interesantno, ali ovde totalno nebitno. ;)
long foot August 20th, 2005, 10:07 AM Nema problema :) Stavio sam ovo gore samo zato jer mi je smiješno konstantno inzistiranje određenih srpskih forumaša na tvrdnji da je Beograd extra mega metopolis, dok je Zagreb provincija. But forget it... Lets keep on Rijeka updates...
SinCity August 24th, 2005, 08:41 AM RADOVI NA PRILAZNOJ CESTI I PRIKLJUČCIMA ODULJILI OTVORENJE PODZEMNE GARAŽE KOD FILOZOFSKOG FAKULTETA
Nova podzemna garaža od 24. rujna
Riječanima će na raspolaganju biti 400 parkirnih mjesta na dvije podzemne etaže s cijenom od osam kuna na sat, kao i u garaži »Zagrad«
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/8/155972.jpg
RIJEKA – Nova podzemna garaža »Austrograda«, koja je »popunila« nekadašnje ruglo od Fenixvea, neće biti otvorena 1. rujna kako je prvotno najavljeno. Razlog su radovi na izgradnji pristupne ceste i pratećeg vodovodno-kanalizacijskog priključka za novu garažu, čiji je investitor Grad Rijeka, a koji su krenuli jučer i potrajat će do sredine rujna.
Direktor »Austrograda« Slavko Pilepić kazao je jučer da je otvorenje garaže pomaknuto na 24. rujna. Prema njegovim riječima, garaža je praktički gotova, preostaje još montaža naplatnih rampi koja će se tempirati sa završetkom radova na prilaznoj cesti. Premda se špekuliralo oko toga koja će biti cijena jednog sata parkiranja u toj novoj garaži »Austrograda«, koja je zbog specifičnosti terena bila jedna od najskupljih gradnji, Slavko Pilepić kazao je jučer da će cijena biti ista kao i u garaži »Zagrad«, dakle osam kuna za sat vremena. Po toj cijeni, Riječani će s krajem rujna, podsjetimo, dobiti oko 400 novih parkirnih mjesta na dvije podzemne etaže.
Od ravnatelja Direkcije plana, razvoja i izgradnje u gradskom Komunalnom sustavu Dragana Blaževića doznajemo da će se aktualnim radovima na prilazu novoj garaži preurediti Ulica žrtava fašizma na dijelu od pješačkog prijelaza kod zgrade MUP-a, pa do skretanja za bivši Fenixve. Na toj dionici, u dužini od tridesetak metara, izgradit će se još jedan prometni trak kojim će se skretati za garažu. Blažević napominje će se u sklopu ovih radova asfaltirati i ulica koja ide pored garaže, od Žrtava fašizma do Kosog tornja. Sveukupna vrijednost ovih radova, uključujući vodovodni i kanalizacijski priključak, Grad Rijeku koštat će oko 730 tisuća kuna, a povjereni su GP »Krku«, i to na drugom, ponovljenom natječaju. Prvi natječaj za izvođača radova u lipnju ove godine je poništen jer je, prema Blaževićevim riječima, stigla samo jedna, i to nezadovoljavajuća ponuda. Drugi natječaj izazvao je veći interes s obzirom na to da je stiglo nekoliko ponuda, među kojima je najpovoljnijim izvođačem ocijenjen ipak GP »Krk«. Upravo je ponavljanje natječaja razlog koji je vremenski pomaknuo početak radova.
Na prostoru iznad podzemne garaže, podsjetimo, Grad Rijeka trebao bi izgraditi novu zgradu Gradske knjižnice vezano uz koju je u tijeku natječaj za izradu idejno-urbanističkog i arhitektonskog rješenja. Niknut će i poslovno-stambeni te trgovački kompleks, čije je pravo građenja »Austrograd« prodao drugom investitoru.
Orjana ANTEŠIĆ
SinCity August 24th, 2005, 08:44 AM Not a big pic, but check out these Rijeka residential highrises. Rijeka has many of the highest residential towers in Croatia. :)
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/8/155906.jpg
OettingerCroat August 24th, 2005, 06:50 PM i wonder what kind of shape they're in...
bambam August 25th, 2005, 08:25 AM RIJEČKI EKOLOŠKI POKRET O BUDUĆOJ DELTI I PORTO BAROŠU
Zeleni izlaz na more
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/8/156161.jpg
RIJEKA – Riječki ekološki pokret izradio je plan uređenja Delte i Porto Baroša. Riječ je o planu koji predviđa uz ogromni zeleni park, izgradnju hotela, šetnice uz more, ribarskog sela, plaže, lučice. Plan predviđa prodajne, poslovne, ali i zabavne prostore koji bi trebali biti uglavnom izgrađeni ispod zemlje.
– Bojimo se visokih zgradurina te betonizacije Delte. Zbog toga smo odlučili već sada djelovati i dati prijedlog, odnosno iznijeti naše mišljenje kako bi to moglo izgledati, veli predsjednik ove udruge Milivoj Antolović. Dodajući da su njihovi strahovi oko betonizacije opravdani »jer prostorni plan uređenja Rijeke nije precizno definirao funkciju tog područja«.
Svoj prijedlog plana uređenja Riječki ekološki pokret već je poslao Gradu Rijeci i Lučkoj upravi na razmatranje. Povratne informacije udruga još nije dobila.
– Iz projekta vidljivo je da mi najveći naglasak dajemo na izgradnji jednog velikog parka s njegovim pripadajućim sadržajima kao što su igrališta, bazeni, livade. Pogotovo zbog toga što Rijeka nema zelenih površina i zbog toga što je to jedina šansa da se ovaj grad napokon vrati moru, kaže Antolović, koji smatra da bi taj park, omeđen Rječinom i zanimljivim zgradama s početka 19. stoljeća, postao jedinstvena zelena površina u Hrvatskoj.
SinCity August 25th, 2005, 08:42 AM Interesting concept. :)
SinCity August 26th, 2005, 05:18 AM :D I did a bit of research at www.emporis.com which has a great inventory of highrises in Croatian cities. There are also plenty of pics in the database which unfortunately you cannot hotlink here due to copyright.
Anyway, here are some interesting stats regarding Rijeka vs Zagreb residential highrises. Rijeka's residential highrises are actually taller than Zagreb's. Zagreb's office towers are the tallest buildings but Rijeka's residential highrises come awefully close to even eclipsing them! Here are the figures.
Feel free to make comments. Building heights are an approximation based on an average 3m floor to height ceiling ratio. If the floor to celing height ratio is bigger than 3m in these towers then the Rijeka buildings are surely taller than any skyscrapers in Zagreb ..... hence possible Croatia's tallest ..... maybe :D
Rijeka Residential Highrises (20+ levels)
1. Porecka 4 [Porecka 3-7] 28 levels, c1980, height 90 metres
2. Porecka 5 [Porecka 3-7] 28 levels, c1980, height 90 metres
3. Porecka 6 [Porecka 3-7] 28 levels, c1980, height 90 metres
4. Porecka 7 [Porecka 3-7] 28 levels, c1980, height 90 metres
5. Porecka 3 [Porecka 3-7] 28 levels, c1980, height 90 metres
6. Franje Candeka 23a [Rijeka Turnic] 28 levels, c1980, height 90 metres
7. Franje Candeka 23b [Rijeka Turnic] 26 levels, c1980, height 84 metres
8. Cavtatska 2 [Rijeka Turnic] 25 levels, height 80 metres
9. Franje Candeka 8 [Rijeka Turnic] 25 levels, c1980, height 80 metres
10. Kumiciceva 13 [Kumiciceva] 22 levels, c1974, height 70 metres
11. Vulkan 21 levels, heights 70 metres
12. Ante Kovacjca 20 [Ante Kovacjca 20-24] 21 levels, height 65 metres
13. Ante Kovacjca 22 [Ante Kovacjca 20-24] 21 levels, height 65 metres
14. Ante Kovacjca 24 [Ante Kovacjca 20-24] 21 levels, height 65 metres
vs .....
Zagreb Residential Highrises (20+ levels)
1. Set. Karla Marxa 10 [Set. Karla Marxa 6-12] 25 levels, height 77 metres
2. Set. Karla Marxa 12 [Set. Karla Marxa 6-12] 25 levels, height 77 metres
3. Set. Karla Marxa 6 [Set. Karla Marxa 6-12] 25 levels, height 77 metres
4. Set. Karla Marxa 8 [Set. Karla Marxa 6-12] 25 levels, height 77 metres
5. Brace Dormany 4 [b]23 levels, height 73 metres
6. Brace Dormany 6 [B]23 levels, height 73 metres
7. Brace Dormany 2 [B]23 levels, height 73 metres
8. Brace Dormany 8 [B]23 levels, height 73 metres
9. Zeleni Trg 1/Rakete/Riechterovi [Zeleni Trg 1-3] 22 levels, height 70 metres
10. Zeleni Trg 2/Rakete/Riechterovi [Zeleni Trg 1-3] 22 levels, height 70 metres
11. Zeleni Trg 3/Rakete/Riechterovi [Zeleni Trg 1-3] 22 levels, height 70 metres
12. Bozidara Magovca 3 [B]20 levels, c1974, height 60 metres
13. Bozidara Magovca 23 [B]20 levels, c1974, height 60 metres
Well done Rijeka! :okay: Hopefully we'll see some new big ones in the future. :yes:
Source: www.emporis.com for Zagreb (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/sk/?id=100715) and Rijeka (http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=100717) :)
SinCity August 26th, 2005, 05:57 AM :)
http://img190.exs.cx/img190/8458/rijekasoutheast6003fo.jpg
http://www.vef.hr/~gomercic/dolphin/slika16.jpg
bubach_hlubach August 26th, 2005, 06:46 AM Long live commies :D
http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/2945/20058922135603tk.jpg
However, that is a very interesting info you have came across :)
I personally wouldnt like to see too many new highrises growing in Rijeka, with an exception of the Rijeka WTC which would be cool to integrate into a smaller cluster made of highrises (eventually it's gonna happen) ;)
But would not want to see such creations rising anywhere near centre, Rijeka cannot be that much tolerant, its charm and spirit shouldn't be sold for a bunch of steel and concrete ;)
Forza Fiume! :D
:cheers:
SinCity August 26th, 2005, 07:02 AM Forza Fiume! :cheers: :D
It was an interesting comparision which I had to get off my chest. ;)
I dont mind clusters of highrises but of course away from the city centre, so hopefully any new ones from now onwards will be better in appearance than the older ones.
Zagreb now officially according to myself sits in second place to Rijeka regarding residential highrises. :D
Nice pic BTW. I see God approves of Rijeka. :angel: :D
bubach_hlubach August 26th, 2005, 07:45 AM Zagreb now officially according to myself sits in second place to Rijeka regarding residential highrises. :D
Okay, and what about Zagreb with the prefix NEW where LF's nest lies - there on 21st floor ;) hehe
Nice pic BTW. I see God approves of Rijeka. :angel: :D
Ohh yeah God is probably freacking out seeing those peaks reaching his kingdom - then i say : thank you, dear Lord, for not tearing down the highrises of Rijeka (tower of Babylon :D ) , may Rijeka be blessed with them ;)
:cheers:
SinCity August 26th, 2005, 07:54 AM ^^ Are you proposing we send Long Foot to go around his neighbourhood and count floors on apartment buildings? ....... :dizzy:
bubach_hlubach August 26th, 2005, 08:12 AM Oh, it's already enough bad for him that he cant step on his balcony without wearing a mask with oxygen :D ;)
:cheers:
SinCity August 31st, 2005, 06:51 AM Slovakia is interested in strengthening its overseas export capabilities via the Port of Rijeka.
Slovakia in recent years has become a huge producer of motor vehicles and by utilising the Port of Rijeka it can enable them to ship these motor vehicles abroad via huge cargo ships suited to car new motor vehicles.
The Port of Rijeka is the deepest in the Adriatic Sea and is the closest port available to Central Europe.
This will no doubt strengthen economic ties between the two countries creating a win-win situation for both. :yes:
In Croatian ....
I Slovaci zainteresirani za Riječku luku
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/8/156902.jpg
RIJEKA – U povodu Dana slovačke kulture, koji u Rijeci ovih dana okupljaju slovačke kulturnjake i umjetnike iz cijele Hrvatske, izaslanstvo Matice slovačke i veleposlanstva Republike Slovačke u Zagrebu primio je jučer podžupan Luka Denona sa suradnicima.
Dani slovačke kulture održavaju se u povodu proslave najvećeg nacionalnog blagdana Slovaka, a ovoga puta središnja se manifestacija održava baš u Rijeci. Tu djeluje najmanji ogranak Matice slovačke, ali i jedan od najaktivnijih u cijeloj Hrvatskoj. Inače, u Hrvatskoj živi 4.700 Slovaka, no iz redova ove manjine tvrde da ih je najmanje trostruko više, samo što obični ljudi na popisima stanovništva često ne razlikuju nacionalno izjašnjavanje od izjašnjavanja o državljanstvu. Upravo je zato, kako je rečeno, pred Maticom slovačkom još puno posla na jačanju identiteta ove nacionalne zajednice.
Iz slovačke ambasade poručeno je, pak, da u Slovačkoj postoji sve veći interes za korištenje riječke luke, pogotovo za propulzivnu auto-industriju koja u toj zemlji cvjeta.
T. T.
bambam September 1st, 2005, 04:47 PM http://www.baptist.hr/slike_crkvi/rijeka.jpg
radovi u tijeku slika od 17.07.05:
http://www.bcrijeka.com/fotoalbum/albums/userpics/10001/pc-1.faza.jpg
bambam September 1st, 2005, 05:04 PM http://www.rijeka.hr/Download/2005/03/02/Bazen_03.jpg
http://www.rijeka.hr/Download/2005/03/02/Bazen_05.jpg
http://www.rijeka.hr/Download/2005/03/02/POGLED20_000.jpg
bambam September 1st, 2005, 05:26 PM Jedan od idejnih projekata luke:
http://www.smokovic.com/Y2001/Rijeka/Rijeka1.jpg
RIJEČKI EKOLOŠKI POKRET O BUDUĆOJ DELTI I PORTO BAROŠU
http://www.novilist.hr/images/clanci/2005/8/156161.jpg
Imali li tocnih informacija o tome sta ce se i kako ce se i dali ce se ikako???
mic of Orion September 1st, 2005, 11:23 PM OK, just let me update this tiny-whiny, Port of Rijeka is excepted to Handle 12.8 million tones of Cargo this year, which is exactly 50% of pre-war cargo, what makes this news so significant, as a result of Rijeka, Port’s of Koper and Trieste are loosing dominance they held in 90’s when they grew and Port of Rijeka stagnated…
http://www.jadroagent.hr/slike/kterminal.jpg
In 2004 Port of Rijeka handled 4.654.698 t of dry cargo and 6.657.304 t of crude oil/derivatives and Port predicts growth of 15% on last year or 12.8 million tones (I hate number 13 so plz no talks of 13, lol)…
If such positive growth figures continue at present rate in 2010 Port of Rijeka is expected to handle 25.6 million tones or precisely its pre-war capacity figure.
But news are not so rosy for other ports in Croatia, where as Split once handled 12.4 million tones of cargo it is expected this year Port of Split will only handle 1.2 million tones, or just 10% of its pre-war figure…
I don’t know for other ports but heard Ploce is doing great as well and it is expected to handle 3 million tones of cargo this year….
SinCity September 2nd, 2005, 01:54 AM ^^ Great find Bambam! :yes:
Rijeka was always the dominant port on the Adriatic and the most easily assessible.
Ploce is doing great, it continues to surge ahead by reclaiming its lost markets.
Split may pick up based on the new motorway improving links but freight transportation via rail is the problem.
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