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Monkey
April 5th, 2005, 02:03 PM
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Plenty of Earths await discovery

By Jonathan Amos
BBC News science reporter, in Birmingham

British researchers are more confident than ever that there are "Earths" out there waiting to be discovered.

The scientists say perhaps a half of all the known planetary systems today could be harbouring habitable worlds.

It must be said most of these systems are strange places where supergiant planets orbit close in to their stars.

But Barrie Jones and colleagues say their modelling work suggests that even with this oddness, there should be room for small rocky planets.

The Open University team presented its ideas here at the UK National Astronomy Meeting on Tuesday.

They extend recent and previously published theoretical work, "putting it on a firmer modelling basis," Professor Jones told the BBC News website.

The research calculates the likely number of Earths out there, based on what we know about how planets form and the conditions needed for life - in particular, the requirement to sit in the part of a solar system that is neither too hot for liquid water, nor too cold.

'Disaster' area

"The conclusions haven't changed, I'm pleased to say. Roughly half the systems out there could have Earths in their habitable zones today and have been there long enough for life to develop," Jones added.

The limitations of current telescope technology make it extremely difficult to view so-called extrasolar planets directly.

Astronomers have therefore made most of their detections indirectly - by finding stars that appear to "wobble" under the gravitational tug of what must be nearby, very large planets.

The technique has the bias of only showing up apparently bizarre systems - where planets that are sometimes many times the mass of our own Jupiter circle their stars in orbits that are smaller than Mercury's.

And this presents a problem because current thinking holds that these huge Jupiters probably formed some way out from their stars before migrating inwards. And if they did that, the chances are they would have destroyed all in their path, including any fledging Earths.

"We've now got some simple rules for establishing how far these disaster zones extend," explained Professor Jones.

Moving zones

Encouragingly, his team finds there is plenty room and time for Earths to evolve.

"At the stage these great giants sweep through, the Earths are not formed - they are still smallish planetary embryos. They get scattered but the simulations show enough material remains that Earths can form after the migration of the great giants has taken place."

The team found about half of the known exoplanetary systems offer a safe haven for a period extending from the present into the past that is at least long enough for life to have developed on any such planets.

The situation is complicated slightly by the fact that the habitable zone migrates outwards as the star ages, and in some cases this changes the potential for life to evolve.

Thus, in some cases a safe haven might have been available only in the past, while in other cases it might exist only in the future.

These scenarios of past extinction and future birth increase to about two-thirds the proportion of the known exoplanetary systems that are potentially habitable at some time during the main-sequence lifetime of their central star.

The research by Barrie Jones, Nick Sleep, and David Underwood has been published in Astrophysical Journal.

JDRS
April 5th, 2005, 02:12 PM
Space is enormous and I don't doubt that there's life out there. It wouldn't really suprise me if there were earth like planets either but at what stage creatures have evolved to is the question.

alphaxion
April 5th, 2005, 04:01 PM
well, we ourselves haven't evolved far yet, we could easily be viewed the same way as we view the rest of the animals on this planet by whatever else we stumble across... what's more, what if in our bumbling we somehow do something to invoke rage and violence upon our species??

Also, and interesting issue is that of the next version of our species emerging... when, where and with what initial difference will they posess.... and what with our habit of fighting against anything different to our own would a major war ensue between the 2 versions if enough of them were able to reproduce beyond a simple mutation or 2...

Blunther
April 5th, 2005, 04:08 PM
Also, and interesting issue is that of the next version of our species emerging... when, where and with what initial difference will they posess.... and what with our habit of fighting against anything different to our own would a major war ensue between the 2 versions if enough of them were able to reproduce beyond a simple mutation or 2...

I don't really think evolution will carry on with our society functioning as it does. Natural selection and survival of the fittest no longer apply. People born with defects are still likely to reproduce as much as, but no more than, other people. It's not like it's just the strongest, healthiest, most likely to survive males that get the females anymore. Everyone's in on it.

Pobbie Rarr
April 5th, 2005, 06:50 PM
Half of all worlds? Exciting stuff. I always thought that Earth-like planets would exist in say, 1 in every 1000th planetary system. Imagine finding life as advanced as our own. We can't even begin to imagine what it would be like, since we as Earthlings are more closely related to plankton than flesh-and-blood aliens. Very exciting indeed.

Another thing, if we were ever to visit another Earth-like planet, would the gaseous ratio have to be exactly the same as it is here, or is there room for slight error? For instance, we live off 78% nitrogen,21% oxygen and 1% other: what if the ratio was slightly imbalanced?

Medo
April 5th, 2005, 08:50 PM
A K-class planet with an atmosphere of 80% argon and 20% oxygen will still sustain humans. But I doubt any plants can grow without the nitrogen in the atmosphere.l

Pobbie Rarr
April 6th, 2005, 02:51 AM
Argon? Are you sure?

Medo
April 6th, 2005, 02:53 AM
Yes its a totally harmless gas.

Pobbie Rarr
April 6th, 2005, 02:56 AM
OK! :carrot:

Medo
April 6th, 2005, 02:59 AM
I say a cannister of argon gas for everybody!!! :banana: :cucumber: :pepper:

http://www.northeastscubasupply.com/gas_stuff/images/Deluxe%20Argon%20Transfiller.jpg

Pobbie Rarr
April 6th, 2005, 03:02 AM
:banana2:

Medo
April 6th, 2005, 03:07 AM
Of course one must keep in mind the side effects of excessive argon consumption: glowing genitalia.

Pobbie Rarr
April 6th, 2005, 03:10 AM
I must breathe argon all the time then...

Englishman
April 6th, 2005, 03:43 AM
Even if there are millions of life sustaining planets you've got to remember in the whole time that Earth has been here civilisation has only existed for a very short amount of time - and I'd expect the same else where. the chance of ours and another planet's civilisations coming at the same time is increadibly small.

What's the name of the equation that works out the number of planets in the universe that are likely to have a civilisation on? Apparently the answer is 1. Are we the one or is ther one other?

Pobbie Rarr
April 6th, 2005, 03:47 AM
That's Drake's Equation, isn't it? Anyway, I'm sure the answer's more than one...

Another thing, people always say life on other worlds will be much more advanced than on Earth. Theoretically, it could just as easily be less advanced.

Medo
April 6th, 2005, 03:48 AM
I think you are referring to the Drake equation: N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL

Medo
April 6th, 2005, 03:51 AM
Another thing, people always say life on other worlds will be much more advanced than on Earth. Theoretically, it could just as easily be less advanced.

I belive in our own galaxy there are hundreds of ET civilisations, some might be less advanced than us and other's can be millions of years ahead of us (like the Vorlons in Babylon 5)

Englishman
April 6th, 2005, 12:41 PM
babylone five seemed quite realistic in some ways.

Medo
April 6th, 2005, 12:45 PM
babylone five seemed quite realistic in some ways.

Actually it was the most realistic of the sci-fi shows. All technology found on B5 is based on theoratically possible and achievable technologies.

alphaxion
April 6th, 2005, 02:21 PM
that and the way the species interacted seems much more realistic (they aren't anywhere near as cliched or stereotyped as shows like star trek) than the way species interact in other shows.

Tho one thing that always bothers me with sci-fi writings of other species... ever look at their species name and then their homeworld name.. lazy writing!! Tho, who would name their homeworld "centuri prime" unless they name all of their planets centuri or renamed it after they became space faring.

JDN21
April 7th, 2005, 12:24 AM
I don't like this news - it increases our chances of being probed - ANALLY! :runaway:

Toadboy
April 7th, 2005, 01:58 AM
If there is life and we discover it we'll either go to war with them or rape and plunder their resources. It's what humans do best.