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Jaybird
April 5th, 2005, 09:22 PM
NBA
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Dallas Mavericks

1x Champion:
2011


NHL
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Dallas Stars

1x Champion:
1999







texasboi, this is for you! :)

Built in 2001, home of the NHL's Dallas Stars and NBA's Mavericks, the American Airlines Center in Dallas, TX. Capacity is 20,000.

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Jaybird
April 5th, 2005, 09:24 PM
Quite the nice looking arena, and using older-style architecture as well! 8.5/10.

erki89
April 5th, 2005, 09:40 PM
I've liked it from the beginning. And because it's the home of the Mavs i'll give it 8 points :)

TexasBoi
April 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM
Thank You:D:D and I'm a Mavs fan too lol
10/10 showing bias of course lol. But still a great arena just built in 2000. I love everything about it and the plans they have for it in the future surrounding the arena is great.

Zaqattaq
April 5th, 2005, 10:32 PM
Probably the nicest home locker room in the world due to Mark Cuban. I don't normally like the fake old style but it looks awesome with the Dallas Skyline and very modern inside 9/10

CF
April 6th, 2005, 04:39 AM
10/10. Love outside look.

DrJoe
April 6th, 2005, 04:48 AM
Love the outside, the inside looks kind of patched together though, so 8/10.

phillyskyline
May 14th, 2005, 09:18 PM
inside is bangin!

Mr. T
May 14th, 2005, 11:47 PM
Probably my favorite arena in North America or maybe even the world.

PHXbevo
May 15th, 2005, 12:29 AM
"The Hangar" is the standard to which all other arenas should go by. 10/10 -- but Go Suns! :)

rantanamo
May 15th, 2005, 01:45 AM
The Suns seem to finish strong in the AAC.

A look across the street.
http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6040

Victory will be kicking serious but this time next year. The video screens along the south plaza will be sick.
http://www.bddeng.com/portfolio/structural_engineering/retail/victory/images/display_lg_1.jpg



Victory Park's $450M Second Phase Rapidly Filling Up
By Connie Gore
Last updated: May 10, 2005 11:30pm

For more retail coverage, click GlobeSt.com/RETAIL.
DALLAS-With the vision for "Victory" on a fast-track to reality, Hillwood yesterday debuted the retail dance card for its $450-million second phase and teased to another round of headline news in 90 days for a $450-million third phase.

Hillwood is holding signed deals or has talks heading into the final round for 154,200 sf of the 175,000 sf of retail space in the under-construction second phase of the 75-acre, mixed-use Victory Park, the genesis for a projected $3-billion-plus build-out. With the $180-million W Dallas Victory Hotel & Residences coming out of the ground, retailers are now knocking on Hillwood's door for a piece of the development action, says Elise R. Mikus, Hillwood's vice president of leasing. "We had to go out to retailers before," she says. "Part of the issue initially was is it going to be real."

Retailers and restaurateurs from around the world as well as local entrepreneurs who've carved a niche in the neighborhood plan joined some of the region's most influential players for a power day that began with mid-morning press conference and ended with a nighttime light-show extravaganza on the streets of Dallas.

While toasting the victory, Ross Perot Jr.'s Hillwood team promised more news in 90 days. "We're overwhelmed with the momentum," Jonas Woods, president of Hillwood Capital, tells GlobeSt.com. The next round, he says, will have more details about the third development wave and announce other second-phase tenants for a May 2006 delivery synchronized with the opening of the 251-room W.

Victory, entitled for 12 million sf, will have one million sf of ground-floor retail besides sundry restaurants and nightclubs that have claimed space on several buildings' upper floors. The retail lineup's been as closely watched as the development itself because Hillwood's been courting names not often found outside New York City, Los Angeles and even London. The new kids on Victory's blocks are Kenichi, a 4,000-sf pan-Asian cuisine with locations in Austin and Aspen; Luna De Noche, a 5,000-sf Tex-Mex grill; and Witchcraft, a 2,200-sf specialty sandwich concept by Tom Colicchio, winner of the James Beard Best Chef New York award and creator of the acclaimed restaurant, Craft, with locations in NYC, Las Vegas and a 6,000-sf spot planned for the W. Colicchio also will also operate the W's lobby bar.

Mikus says talks are under way with one of Dallas' television stations to take an end cap as broadcast location. She says the team's also negotiating with two sponsors for the LED boards, which were incorporated to add a Times Square look and feel to the district; a national retailer of men's and women's apparel for 3,000 sf; an NYC home decor operator for roughly 6,000 sf; a florist; 2,500-sf gourmet hamburger eatery; a trio of women's fashion boutiques for 7,000 sf; an another restaurant and bar for 7,500 sf.

"We've been really ferreting out some unique retail," Mikus says. "We've been scouring Miami, Melrose, Soho, London and Toronto." By year's end or first-quarter 2006, the team will start wooing retailers for the 135,000 sf of retail in the third phase. All she'll say at this point is the wish list includes an urban grocer, furniture store and shoe shop.

Mikus says most signed leases have 10-year terms with shared tenant-improvement costs. Rents are quoted at $38 per sf to $45 per sf for retail space, she says. Inked deals are the N9NE Group, getting space for its Las Vegas-famous ghostbar, steakhouse, Nove Italian restaurant and a developing nightclub concept; Victory Tavern; local entrepreneur Ort Varona's LIFT, a 20,000-sf designer mecca with storefronts by J. Lindeberg, Adriano Goldschmied and Global by Ted Baker; Fred Perry; G-Star; Future Sports, also a J. Lindeberg concept; Quicksilver; and Bliss spa taking 5,000 sf on the 16th floor of the W and 1,200 sf in a street-level shop.

Mikus admits the district is heavily weighted with restaurants, but the strategy is to create "a neighborhood that attracts people 24/7" and set up a broad-based menu so visitors are encouraged to stay, shop and dine in the district. Added incentives include a full wireless territory, granite sidewalks and a valet parking system for all buildings.

Mikus says talks are under way for at least 55,000 sf of the 120,000 sf of office space in the second phase. Title companies, banks, investment bankers, insurance firms and attorneys are negotiating, but no deal has been signed to date.

The six-building second phase, which delivers in May 2006, consists of 600 residential units, 175,000 sf of retail, 120,000 sf of office space, a one-acre park and the W. The three-building third phase will have another 280 apartments and condos, 135,000 sf of retail and 600,000 sf of office space. Hillwood has amassed a powerful roster of partners, including Gatehouse Capital and Hicks Holdings LLC, the teammates for the W, the catalyst for getting the seven-year plan off the drawing board.

3tmk
May 16th, 2005, 09:44 PM
8.5
I have to say, I like the architecture, and the first and second pics are amazing.
It looks like the entrance of some big old train station, really great.

rantanamo
July 21st, 2005, 07:44 PM
http://www.crazycampbells.com/images/MergedArena.jpg

http://www.thedallasmavericks.com/web_images/aac_view_corner2.jpg

http://www.trinityrailwayexpress.org/images/TREAACenter.jpg

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/3953/154167007zmkjfjfs29cu.jpg

http://img284.imageshack.us/img284/2818/234618979wppcaofs24dx.jpg

asohn
July 21st, 2005, 08:14 PM
10/10

BobDaBuilder
July 23rd, 2005, 10:08 AM
In a word, WOW!

Linas
June 7th, 2006, 07:07 PM
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Haha what a surprise!! I see Songaila? Number 25 guarding Dirk Nowitzki (well yeah we can't really see his numbers, but its still Darius;))!! In the line-up with Anthony Peeler (maybe Bobby Jackson though), Brad Miller, I guess Doug Christie and probably Gerald Wallace.. Well I'm not really sure. However, I can see Songaila's got 2 points and a foul haha. Sorry for an off-top guys :)

Well, as for the arena, it doesn't really appeal to me.. Maybe I'm kinda too European and I want to see something special, more modern, not like this..

rantanamo
June 8th, 2006, 03:28 AM
I'm guessing you mean the exterior? There's still not a more modern bowl.

NeilF
June 8th, 2006, 09:37 PM
8/10.

10 / 10 for the interior. 6 / 10 for the exterior. It's a hotchpotch attempt at looking old that seems to incorporate too many incompatible older styles. Looks nice enough, but it's nothing terribly special.

The Baz
June 8th, 2006, 10:23 PM
That's a beautiful exterior especially those night shots. I've heard good things about AAC but never saw the pics, now I understand the hype. 9.5

rantanamo
June 9th, 2006, 08:02 AM
$420 million. Still the most expensive arena(in that size range) ever built. More expensive than large stadiums with very few exceptions. Here are some exterior shots of the surrounding neighborhood being built around it.

These are some of the large video boards lining the buildings on the South Plaza of the arena. These boards move seperately as well as being able to combine to show a single video. There will be four on each side facing the plaza as well as others facing surrounding streets and one above the local ABC affiliate's studio. Originally, these buildings and the neighborhood were too look like the arena, but the original hired developer failed to deliver. The original developer of the arena took over and went modern.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8571/picture0062vx.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture0062vx.jpg)

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10704
http://texasstar.smugmug.com/photos/69180058-L.jpg

This is looking out of the south entrance to the arena. This should have a Times Square type feel this time next year.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1535/wowcopyeditsmall0mn.jpg

TalB
June 9th, 2006, 10:29 PM
Although it is one of the best places for an NBA game, I do not like the fact that American Airlines uses the entrance to show models of its planes.

MancDave
June 11th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Outside looks great but not to sure on the inside??

ReddAlert
June 11th, 2006, 08:55 PM
hate to say it, but I am not a fan. It reminds me of some kind of high school. And not a fan of the roof especially. This old brick look is hit or miss. I like what they are doing outside of it though!

martiw
June 12th, 2006, 11:56 PM
i like the stadium, but the commercialism is a bit much.

TalB
June 13th, 2006, 01:09 AM
I do like the fact that it gives a nice backdrop of Dallas, but it does seem pretty isolated from the city with all of those parking lots surrounding it.

rantanamo
June 13th, 2006, 05:56 AM
I do like the fact that it gives a nice backdrop of Dallas, but it does seem pretty isolated from the city with all of those parking lots surrounding it.

LOL, that's why I showed the pics of what they are building in the surrounding lots.

harsh1802
June 13th, 2006, 08:49 AM
Mavs rock........

:)


9/10

nomarandlee
June 13th, 2006, 12:58 PM
it already was one of my favorite new arenas in the U.S. Always thought the outside was one of best in the league and the inside is pretty darn good (not great).

The new development is going to be money though. I am envious of it. It looks like it might be cooler then the LA Live that will be going up near the Staples Center. Truely awesome. That is exactley the type of initiative and development I hope they build on the lots around the United Center one day.

The more stadiums have a neighorhood around them the better. One thing that Wrigley that Wrigley has made me a beleiver in is that stadiums and neighborhoods go hand in hand as a great combo.

www.sercan.de
April 21st, 2009, 12:00 PM
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ddrmaxgt37
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Ganis
April 22nd, 2009, 07:04 AM
3 levels of suites and looks so much better and works better then Staples Center. Best Arena in the world for Hockey hands down!

ryebreadraz
April 23rd, 2009, 01:46 AM
^^^^^ I don't like Staples, but it's not exactly a fair comparison because Staples does have more suites. AAC is great though and Staples is awful.

Ganis
April 23rd, 2009, 07:06 AM
THis has less seats but offers a Platinum level of club seating between the upper and lower bowl. The Platinum level is the tier between the upper and lower suites (and are affordable tickets,) you get waited on and access to the Red Bull Lounge and The Sweet Factory (behind that 3 suite level area) and the American Airlines Bar. AAC is one of the best Arena designs with the high vaulted ceiling giving the Arena a more open feeling instead of the low feeling you get in other arenas. Also one of the largest Video Clusters in the World.

RUMOR : The 2 Back wall screens are rumored to be removed and replaced with one LARGE video screen to allow for full screen replays.

ryebreadraz
April 23rd, 2009, 12:51 PM
THis has less seats but offers a Platinum level of club seating between the upper and lower bowl. The Platinum level is the tier between the upper and lower suites (and are affordable tickets,) you get waited on and access to the Red Bull Lounge and The Sweet Factory (behind that 3 suite level area) and the American Airlines Bar. AAC is one of the best Arena designs with the high vaulted ceiling giving the Arena a more open feeling instead of the low feeling you get in other arenas. Also one of the largest Video Clusters in the World.

RUMOR : The 2 Back wall screens are rumored to be removed and replaced with one LARGE video screen to allow for full screen replays.

Staples offers "premium seating" in the second level and is essentially the same thing as the platinum level at AAC. They are waited on and they have access to bars, a private entrance, elevators, etc. I agree that AAC is an amazing arena and far superior to Staples. I'm just saying that Staples couldn't have just translated the suite set up on AAC.

en1044
April 23rd, 2009, 04:48 PM
THis has less seats but offers a Platinum level of club seating between the upper and lower bowl. The Platinum level is the tier between the upper and lower suites (and are affordable tickets,) you get waited on and access to the Red Bull Lounge and The Sweet Factory (behind that 3 suite level area) and the American Airlines Bar. AAC is one of the best Arena designs with the high vaulted ceiling giving the Arena a more open feeling instead of the low feeling you get in other arenas. Also one of the largest Video Clusters in the World.

RUMOR : The 2 Back wall screens are rumored to be removed and replaced with one LARGE video screen to allow for full screen replays.

Most arenas have a club level...

KingmanIII
April 24th, 2009, 03:50 AM
Most arenas have a club level...

Some arenas have the club seating on the lower tier with restricted access to a private lounge.

en1044
April 24th, 2009, 03:59 AM
Some arenas have the club seating on the lower tier with restricted access to a private lounge.

Well yeah...some sort of club seating. I was just saying having a club level wasnt unique.

Ganis
April 24th, 2009, 05:07 AM
it is here.

en1044
April 24th, 2009, 06:31 AM
it is here.

How is a club level in Dallas any different than anywhere else?

Ganis
April 30th, 2009, 06:11 AM
I have to since that Boston idiot is doing it to his dead garden

http://img1.fansection.com/img/showpics/fa/12/l372d1ef10000_1_10242.jpg

SUPER DIRK

http://img1.fansection.com/img/showpics/22/73/l36ff749c0001_2_28266.jpg

http://img1.college-football-sports.com/img/showpics/4a/35/l365ed7790000_1_13341.jpg

http://img1.college-football-sports.com/img/showpics/4d/82/l349b13ec0000_1_7620.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/calitexas28/SpursSuck.jpg

But dont get mad, just remember.....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kApooBA52IY/SQYrXDvaaEI/AAAAAAAAA-0/uzJWbF_M_tc/s400/Knicks+Suck.jpg

en1044
April 30th, 2009, 06:20 AM
I have to since that Boston idiot is doing it to his dead garden

http://img1.fansection.com/img/showpics/fa/12/l372d1ef10000_1_10242.jpg

SUPER DIRK

http://img1.fansection.com/img/showpics/22/73/l36ff749c0001_2_28266.jpg

http://img1.college-football-sports.com/img/showpics/4a/35/l365ed7790000_1_13341.jpg

http://img1.college-football-sports.com/img/showpics/4d/82/l349b13ec0000_1_7620.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/calitexas28/SpursSuck.jpg

But dont get mad, just remember.....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kApooBA52IY/SQYrXDvaaEI/AAAAAAAAA-0/uzJWbF_M_tc/s400/Knicks+Suck.jpg

Could you try not putting down everyone you disagree with? Seriously?

rantanamo
June 10th, 2009, 06:41 PM
http://www.americanairlinescenter.com/about-aacenter/hd_ineveryseat.php

big board wars continue

http://techblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/06/american-airlines-center-in-da.html

Lariabian
June 10th, 2009, 06:46 PM
10/10

Ganis
June 11th, 2009, 06:24 AM
I loved the old Cluster but wow. Those are some big screens. And i was wondering when they were going to put full sized video boards on those back walls. This place was made to be upgraded to advanced form year to year. There are closets for future technology that arnt even used yet.

Ganis
June 23rd, 2009, 12:39 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3385/3183487453_39220a1430_b.jpg

aThat back wall in the top is about to get a stadium sized 1080 dpi LED screen (on both sides od the center)

The American Airlines Center is one of the best in my opinion.

CaliLove24
June 25th, 2009, 07:27 AM
Is it better than Staples? The Q looks cool.I also like the big "O", Oracle that is.hell there's a lot of nba arenas that are cool.

Ganis
June 25th, 2009, 07:45 AM
all arenas feel claustrophobic with the flat ceilings. This arena has a high arching ceiling and feels more open to me.

ryebreadraz
June 25th, 2009, 08:07 AM
I think it's far better than Staples. AAC is one of my favorite arenas in the NBA, if not my favorite arena. Staples is the second worst arena I've been to and certainly the worst among those built recently. I usually don't like the more open feel. I like the low roof, intimate feel and louder arena it brings with it, but the roof at AAC works.

en1044
June 25th, 2009, 09:40 AM
all arenas feel claustrophobic with the flat ceilings. This arena has a high arching ceiling and feels more open to me.

no, they really dont.

Ganis
June 25th, 2009, 05:30 PM
ya they do. Worked at this one for 2 years and seen games at AT&T Center in San Antonio, Toyota Center in Houston, US Airways Arena in Phoenix and Pepsi Center in Denver. AAC wins out of al of them.

And i know that not allot of Arenas but that is driving distance for me. Ford Center and New Orleans Arena is on the list for next year.

en1044
June 25th, 2009, 07:05 PM
ya they do. Worked at this one for 2 years and seen games at AT&T Center in San Antonio, Toyota Center in Houston, US Airways Arena in Phoenix and Pepsi Center in Denver. AAC wins out of al of them.

And i know that not allot of Arenas but that is driving distance for me. Ford Center and New Orleans Arena is on the list for next year.

a flat roof makes a better atmosphere.

nyrmetros
June 25th, 2009, 10:38 PM
Is this arena better suited for NBA or NHL?

Ganis
June 26th, 2009, 07:20 AM
Is this arena better suited for NBA or NHL?

.....NHL

KingmanIII
June 27th, 2009, 01:40 AM
Is this arena better suited for NBA or NHL?

.....NHL

:yes:...the arena is oriented around a hockey rink.

An arena oriented around a basketball court (i.e. Memphis, Charlotte, indianapolis, Phoenix, etc. and soon Louisville) is optimal for NBA.

It really doesn't make a huge difference, and for some cities it is more fiscally responsible to build one arena that can adequately accomodate both sports instead of two.

Ganis
June 27th, 2009, 07:07 PM
its great for NHL and still good for NBA

xavarreiro
June 27th, 2009, 08:48 PM
10/10

Ganis
July 4th, 2009, 07:33 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2621/3687710048_282241907e_o.jpg

Jan Del Castillo
July 17th, 2009, 04:48 AM
Very very nice, i like. Regards.

rantanamo
August 21st, 2009, 04:08 AM
Rendering of the new video boards

old

http://www.eawnews.com/images/EAW-NHL_allstar_Wreckers.jpg

new

http://blog.livedesignonline.com/briefingroom/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/aac-stadium-lighthouse.jpg

Ganis
August 21st, 2009, 03:37 PM
im gonna miss the old green frame

PepMan
September 13th, 2009, 07:05 AM
Rendering of the new video boards

old

http://www.eawnews.com/images/EAW-NHL_allstar_Wreckers.jpg

new

http://blog.livedesignonline.com/briefingroom/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/aac-stadium-lighthouse.jpg

Hey! This looks really good, nice upgrade, their big scoreboard is definitely ridiculous.

Dallas boi
September 27th, 2010, 04:13 PM
I love the outside of this arena!

Benn
September 29th, 2010, 07:38 AM
Never cared much for the exterior, but the bowl is probably the most attractive in the country for an indoor arena.

scolls
December 14th, 2010, 02:37 AM
This is probably my favorite arena. My question is, what exactly is the AT&T Plaza used for? Surely it's more than just a place to mount TV screens.

Dallas boi
December 14th, 2010, 03:16 AM
This is probably my favorite arena. My question is, what exactly is the AT&T Plaza used for? Surely it's more than just a place to mount TV screens.
WFAA-TV studios is located in the plaza towers. The TV station is called WFAA Channel 8.

rantanamo
December 14th, 2010, 12:00 PM
AT&T Plaza = Mixed use office buildings. Several companies there, including WFAA event and day/morning studios and Stars HQ. The funny thing about Victory is that outside of The House, it has great occupancy.

seyer1000
December 16th, 2010, 07:43 AM
This is my favorite arena in the world.

this is how it looks with the new video boards:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_KiL7wW564Yo/TO9ER6YFe4I/AAAAAAAACWE/3RtTQTlZWT8/DSC_2400.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NY1nKTZBrVQ/S3nE0PGAwVI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/piAw6DssXHo/s912/IMG_0978.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KiL7wW564Yo/TO9EVT-ZOaI/AAAAAAAACWE/Ov9B1XPvOTM/DSC_2405.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_KiL7wW564Yo/TO9EcESvFnI/AAAAAAAACWE/_mTqN7QT4r4/DSC_2417.JPG

Dallas boi
December 17th, 2010, 11:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUK5XxzF34M&feature=related

bixa louca
June 4th, 2011, 04:31 PM
This is a First Class arena all the way. It's Staples Center, but with a soul. Love it.

Also, I love the nod to Art Deco. Very cool.

http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims/TRAV/1/592/592/90/http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/adam/f308f4d74a9ea0debd2a91d9cc0dea5e/american-airlines-center-592ld071210.jpg

Also, it has a cute water feature:

http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/1/0/5/0/8/ar128932688980501.JPG

desertpunk
July 25th, 2011, 12:57 AM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5107/5626043009_53e8858b91_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/swinneys/5626043009/)
106/365 - Game Night at the AAC - April 16, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/swinneys/5626043009/) by davidswinney (http://www.flickr.com/people/swinneys/), on Flickr

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5222/5858744774_c8955de9d4_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/swinneys/5858744774/)
167/365 - Waiting for the Parade - June 16, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/swinneys/5858744774/) by davidswinney (http://www.flickr.com/people/swinneys/), on Flickr

Richo83
July 25th, 2011, 04:48 AM
:yes:...the arena is oriented around a hockey rink.

An arena oriented around a basketball court (i.e. Memphis, Charlotte, indianapolis, Phoenix, etc. and soon Louisville) is optimal for NBA.

It really doesn't make a huge difference, and for some cities it is more fiscally responsible to build one arena that can adequately accomodate both sports instead of two.

I could be wrong, but I assumed that Phoenix (specifically US airways arena) was based around a hockey rink. But instead of placing seats at the one of the ends where the rink would take up (causing a shallow row of seats at one of the basketball ends) they just increased the sight lines all around and put the basketball court middlish of where the hockey rink would be. Although to be fair, I haven't looked at the seating chart of Phoenix in particular detail, it just looks like there's enough space around their court to expand to a hockey arena.

As for Dallas, like the inside, don't like the outside. Like the look of the apartments they build near the arena more than the arena itself. But it's just a personal preference of mine to prefer glass and steel to brick.

weava
July 25th, 2011, 05:46 AM
I could be wrong, but I assumed that Phoenix (specifically US airways arena) was based around a hockey rink. But instead of placing seats at the one of the ends where the rink would take up (causing a shallow row of seats at one of the basketball ends) they just increased the sight lines all around and put the basketball court middlish of where the hockey rink would be. Although to be fair, I haven't looked at the seating chart of Phoenix in particular detail, it just looks like there's enough space around their court to expand to a hockey arena.

As for Dallas, like the inside, don't like the outside. Like the look of the apartments they build near the arena more than the arena itself. But it's just a personal preference of mine to prefer glass and steel to brick.

US airways was built for basketball but can fit hockey similar to the new orleans arena and isn't ideal for hockey, which is why the coyotes moved to a hockey arena in Glendale.

KingmanIII
July 25th, 2011, 07:26 AM
I could be wrong, but I assumed that Phoenix (specifically US airways arena) was based around a hockey rink. But instead of placing seats at the one of the ends where the rink would take up (causing a shallow row of seats at one of the basketball ends) they just increased the sight lines all around and put the basketball court middlish of where the hockey rink would be. Although to be fair, I haven't looked at the seating chart of Phoenix in particular detail, it just looks like there's enough space around their court to expand to a hockey arena.
It kinda looks that way because the seating bowl is rounded at the corners at floor level -- but it's definitely too small for a hockey rink; it was undoubtedly an atrocious setup.

(SeatData)
http://www.seatdata.com/images/nhl_coyotes_archive/800x600/228.jpg

Richo83
July 25th, 2011, 01:03 PM
US airways was built for basketball but can fit hockey similar to the new orleans arena and isn't ideal for hockey, which is why the coyotes moved to a hockey arena in Glendale.

Yeah, clearly I'm mistaken.

It kinda looks that way because the seating bowl is rounded at the corners at floor level --

See, this is why I thought it was designed around a hockey rink, because the seats are shaped around what looks like a rounded rectangle rather than a normal rectangle. Moreover, gap between the seats and the court look bigger than say at the Jazz's arena, which looks like it was designed for one sport: basketball.

but it's definitely too small for a hockey rink; it was undoubtedly an atrocious setup.

What was bad about it? From the picture I couldn't tell why why it was a bad set up, although that's mainly because I've never watched a hockey game before so I don't know what's a good/bad setup.

ryebreadraz
July 25th, 2011, 01:12 PM
Look at the picture above. You can't see below the circles from that entire level of seats so everything that goes on around the goal is out of view.

eMKay
July 25th, 2011, 02:25 PM
This is what's wrong with it...

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee50/kurtenblog/whiteout.jpg

JJG
July 25th, 2011, 06:53 PM
As for Dallas, like the inside, don't like the outside. Like the look of the apartments they build near the arena more than the arena itself. But it's just a personal preference of mine to prefer glass and steel to brick.

How can ya NOT like the outside? It's classic.

Chevy114
July 26th, 2011, 12:29 AM
Why do they need boards on the walls if they have center court boards?

weava
July 26th, 2011, 12:45 AM
Why do they need boards on the walls if they have center court boards?

They don't "NEED" them, but this America and the NBA. plus its another board they can sell advertisement space on.

Chevy114
July 26th, 2011, 12:56 AM
They don't "NEED" them, but this America and the NBA. plus its another board they can sell advertisement space on.

Just checking I am used to baseball parks and football parks where certain people can't see the main boards so they add secondary boards.

Benn
July 26th, 2011, 07:15 PM
How can ya NOT like the outside? It's classic.

This disconnect between the inside and the outside always bothered me a little, and I know it came first, but it really doesn't fit with its surroundings anymore at all. Still the coolest looking arena bowl on the planet though, and real spiffy concourses.

dfwcre8tive
July 27th, 2011, 07:05 AM
Here are a few old ones when the arena was more isolated (before other development in Victory). The site was previously a brownfield consisting of railyards and a power station:

http://www.hillwood.com/Portals/0/images/VictoryPark/1997%20VictoryPark%20Pre%20Construction%20Aerial.jpg
Photo: Hillwood (http://www.hillwood.com/AboutHillwood/VictoryPark/tabid/112/Default.aspx)

http://www.hillwood.com/Portals/0/images/VictoryPark/October%202008%20Victory%20Park%20Aerial.jpg
Photo: Hillwood (http://www.hillwood.com/AboutHillwood/VictoryPark/tabid/112/Default.aspx)

http://www.oscarmail.net/dfwfreeways/aerial/downtown/5a_aac_looking_n_2005-05-30_900.jpg
Photo: DFWFreeways (http://www.dfwfreeways.info/pages/aerial/downtown_dallas.aspx)

http://pics4.city-data.com/cpic/ufiles261.jpg
Photo: City-Data (http://www.city-data.com/picfiles/pic261.php)

http://www.stadiumwallpaper.info/wallpaper/american-airlines-center-10.jpg
Photo: Stadium Wallpaper (http://www.stadiumwallpaper.info/american-airlines-center-10.html)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/American_Airlines_Center_01.jpg/1024px-American_Airlines_Center_01.jpg
Photo: Geolocation (http://www.geolocation.ws/v/W/4cb50da1421aa94674000b8f/fileamerican-airlines-center-01-jpg/en)

Chevy114
July 27th, 2011, 04:25 PM
The more I see this place, the more I think of chicago stadium!

Dallaz
June 28th, 2012, 03:26 AM
http://www.creeledrevolution.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/American2.jpg

mrakbaseball
June 30th, 2012, 01:25 AM
The more I see this place, the more I think of chicago stadium!

RBC Center looks more like a modern Chicago Stadium than this place.