What is wrong with building so tall near the airport. These scrapers are not directly under the flightpath :bash:

What a bunch of NIMBY's :bash:

From The Daily Telegraph (dailytelegraph.com.au)
Safety issues ignored
By MARK SKELSEY Urban Affairs Editor
August 23, 2004

SKYSCRAPERS are being approved around the fringes of Sydney Airport, despite objections from the airport's owner over safety.

The towers, some up to 21 storeys high, need to be fitted with red flashing warning lights because they are located in the airport's airspace.

Five residential buildings, which intrude into the 51m high obstacle height limit around the airport, have been approved since 1998.

Another two are awaiting approval.

Three of the approved buildings are at Zetland – one at the Victoria Park development site, another on South Dowling St and a third at the former Email site at 13 Joynton Ave.

A 21-storey unit block at Arncliffe, which has been completed and occupied, comes complete with a red warning light on its roof to warn approaching pilots.

A 12-storey apartment block above the Southpoint shopping centre at Hillsdale, currently under construction, will also intrude into the airspace.

The clash between the airport and the residential towers highlights the difficulties that Sydney's rampant urban consolidation is creating for aviation operations.

For the first time, residential developers keen to capitalise on the popularity of inner-Sydney apartment living are trying to break through the height limit set by the Federal Government.

The Sydney Airport Corporation objected to each of these developments, on the basis that "buildings should not penetrate the obstacle limitation surface".

An airport spokeswoman said the airport objected to all developments which intruded into its airspace.

"We think they reduce airport flexibility and safety," she said.

None of the buildings are located on the approaches to the runways.

But they are located within 4.5km of the airport, where buildings located either in the approaches or above 51m need approval from the Federal Department of Transport and Regional Services.

A departmental statement said the buildings were approved because it was found they would not "interfere with the safety, efficiency or regularity of existing or future air transport operations into or out of the airport concerned".

The statement said the obstacle limitation ceiling was not a strict rule but merely a trigger to more closely examine whether a building should be approved.

Two more developments in the Green Square area have been submitted to the department for approval.

Another developer has a proposal before Sydney City Council for a 30-storey tower in Epsom Rd, Zetland, reaching a height of 121m, which will make a 70m incursion into the airport's airspace.

Here we go again. :nuts:

Must be a slow news day.

If there were planes flying lower than 51m at Zetland and Green Sq, then I would be concerned.

BTW Where is it written about objections from dorky NIMBYs in the article? Was some of the article left out? I read objections form the Airport Corp.

There are the current objections from NIMBYs against the Green Sq developments - fools, don't they know it will bring more transport, entertainment and services to their currently tragic area.

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yeah pretty tragic beating up a story like this.http://www.gifs.net/animate/airplane.gif
the 30storey on Epsom rd sounds huge! 121m/400ft! i wonder what miss moore thinks of that one.
http://www.gifs.net/animate/kissgif.gifkiss that goodbye

Its about time CASA and the airport got over themselves. They need to take a look at some of the major international airports overseas.

"None of the buildings are located on the approaches to the runways."

Now that should be in the title and what they want a 4.5km circle around the airport of nothing over 50 meters you must be kidding !

Here we go again. :nuts:

Must be a slow news day.

If there were planes flying lower than 51m at Zetland and Green Sq, then I would be concerned.

BTW Where is it written about objections from dorky NIMBYs in the article? Was some of the article left out? I read objections form the Airport Corp.

There are the current objections from NIMBYs against the Green Sq developments - fools, don't they know it will bring more transport, entertainment and services to their currently tragic area.

http://www.sayhey.co.uk/invboard/html/emoticons/mad.gif

I branded the airport guys as NIMBY's. There is nothing wrong with the scrapers being built that close to the airport as long as they are away from the flightpaths. Wolli Creek despite being it's close location to the airport is not any under flightpaths. Green Square & Hillsdale aren't any directly under flight paths either.

Marboura and even Kingsford are directly under the flightpath yet talls are allowed in those suburbs. The same two suburbs happen to be within the same distance from the airport as Green Square. If these two suburbs under a flightpath have no problems with talls, then developments should be permitted in the suburbs concerned.

If a scraper was to be built directly under a flight path very close to the aiport ie Mascot then I would have reservations.

The article never made mention of the peaky NIMBY's at Green Square.

are the flight paths set to change any time soon ?

Well if labor gets in "Mount Kirribilli" will probably dissapear, but that doesnt really affect that buffer zone.

Obviously nothing much in the news today :)

51m! that is just crap! even sydney harbour bridge is higher than that, i would be concerned to if a plane was flying at 51m above me!(what are the chances anyway?)

The development around SKS will continue well into the 21st century...Flight paths/noise are always going to be a problem while SKS is open.

I have always been an advocate for the closure of SKS, and construct a new 21st century airport on an man-made island off Malabar, adjacent to the golf courses. No flight path/noise complaints here, only cost.

The development around SKS will continue well into the 21st century...Flight paths/noise are always going to be a problem while SKS is open.

I have always been an advocate for the closure of SKS, and construct a new 21st century airport on an man-made island off Malabar, adjacent to the golf courses. No flight path/noise complaints here, only cost.

Has anyone ever constructed an artificial island in completely exposed ocean before? Not that I'm aware of. They get five metre swell there on a regular basis.

All this fear of planes plunging into tall buildings, except when done deliberately, is nonsense. How often have planes come in that low, ever. If the plane is in trouble and going to crash then it doesn't matter how high the buildings are they are going to get demolished. And anyone who ever flew into the old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong/ Kowloon - now, that was exciting!!! - will know that there isn't a problem, a challenge maybe, but not a problem. This is particularly relevant to the CBD where the air authorities have had influence on city skyscraper heights.

Tai Tak airport surroundings had a height limit of around 50m... and sydney is complaining because it is 51m...

^^Yes, but how far did the height limit extend from the airport? The Epsom Rd, Zetland site where the 30 storey tower is proposed is about 3.5km northeast of the airport and not under a flight path!

All this fear of planes plunging into tall buildings, except when done deliberately, is nonsense. How often have planes come in that low, ever. If the plane is in trouble and going to crash then it doesn't matter how high the buildings are they are going to get demolished. And anyone who ever flew into the old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong/ Kowloon - now, that was exciting!!! - will know that there isn't a problem, a challenge maybe, but not a problem. This is particularly relevant to the CBD where the air authorities have had influence on city skyscraper heights.

Planes do come fairly low over Sydenham if if the North-South runway is open. Sometimes they do come in very low over Rockdale (which has highrise but not directly under the flightpath at present). Developers aren't stupid in where to place them near the airport and they have done the right thing by staying away from the flightpaths.

All this fear of planes plunging into tall buildings, except when done deliberately, is nonsense. How often have planes come in that low, ever. If the plane is in trouble and going to crash then it doesn't matter how high the buildings are they are going to get demolished. And anyone who ever flew into the old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong/ Kowloon - now, that was exciting!!! - will know that there isn't a problem, a challenge maybe, but not a problem. This is particularly relevant to the CBD where the air authorities have had influence on city skyscraper heights.

I agree it was an awesome landing but it was not so much the buildings that caused a problem but the mountanous terrain leading into the airport.

Pilots are paid good money to do a job, most would be hopeful in thinking they could actually fly a plane without hitting a building, damn even I could fly one without running it directly into a skyscraper I think. The old HK airport was a challenge to land at (as pointed out) but pilots need challenges to keep them on their toes IMO.

and how many near misses were there at that airport !
Really we are no where near that stage yet but measures hould be taken to avoid it as much as possible, But these are not these measure and as said are just from slow news days and people with nothing better to do

Has anyone ever constructed an artificial island in completely exposed ocean before? Not that I'm aware of. They get five metre swell there on a regular basis.

Hong Kong InternationaL...Seoul (Incheon) International...Kansai International...Central Japan Interantional...

They all are world class airports. Urban development has been the main stimulent behind their original airports' closure and rebuilding one on an island.

Obviously, the island (off Malabar) would have to be at least 30 metres above sea level (for the predicted mother king tide every 2 years or so). This is the height of the adjacent rock cliffs along Long Bay to Cape Banks.

From the previous posts, are we only considering the island airport (with no noise or flight paths over buildings) if there is a major catastrophe? :bash:
C'Mon, that sounds ridiculous. Fair enough, the project sounds near impossible but it has been done before. However, it has not been done before with 50 metre sea depths...but i'm sure engineering island airports throughout the world could plan for deeper depths and currents.

i say go inland we have heaps of space and start another muhc need urban center tokyo airport and many other work fine a long way from the city

I think developers are not that thick in the head to build it along the flightpaths coz of high noise. Who wants to buy properties with that much noise?

poor people with no choice would.

Moving the airport inland would, in time, just become another SKS noise/ flight path issue. Sounds to me like another NIMBY.

hmm so have a green belt around the airport
sure its a squese and you get people saying
" Ah, I a lived here 80 years and there was never no airport guess I have to deal wth the fact that now my house is in flight path there is noise but realestate value have gone up over all due to the fact thats it part of a new regional center"
Rathere than
"I live near a airport that was here 80 years before me! I demand compentsation and the right to complain to anyone who will listen, restrick all future development and any thing eles that takes my fancy"

I agree with you. But where? I've always said that Sydney's future airport woes are already existing. That is Bankstown, Camden, possibly Richmond?! The Sydney basin needs a second commercial airport. If you build another airport on the cumberland plain, you could not have a green exclusion zone. It would be too expensive. i.e. to buy the land, build an airport and maintain green vegetation so everyone (as many as possible) are happy. Costs would just end up short of building an offshore island airport, which i strongly support.
See www.tierney.com.au/pag/

Hong Kong InternationaL...Seoul (Incheon) International...Kansai International...Central Japan Interantional...

They all are world class airports. Urban development has been the main stimulent behind their original airports' closure and rebuilding one on an island.

Obviously, the island (off Malabar) would have to be at least 30 metres above sea level (for the predicted mother king tide every 2 years or so). This is the height of the adjacent rock cliffs along Long Bay to Cape Banks.

None of those are in exposed ocean waters! All shallow bays with some degree of protection from monster waves. This would be a completely unprecedented engineering challenge. Terraforming.

hmm is hong kong not ment to withstand typhoos ?

Yes. The airport was built to withstand typhoons. Intensity of typhoon, im not sure. but they have a building supposed to be strong enough to withstand type 4 (up to 300mph) or something like that.

An airport built at LaPerouse/Malabar will run parralel to coast, and HAVE to withstand strong SE/NW winds and a sea wall thick enough to bump off storm seas, similar to what we witnessed a few weeks ago.

guess sydney gets some pretty major swells
still of shore idea sucks
with all the land here I Cant belive people still stay this !

That land will quickly urbanise as soon as a major employment centre develops. Hence, in 50 years the same problems will occur at the present SKS. All im saying is an offshore island airport will solve noise, flight path issues once for all in sydney. If one looks at the idea closely, the pro's slightly outweigh the con's. The major advantage it has over all other options is its LOCATION, LOCATION. It will need a transport of services from Mascot to close it completely, and replace SKS....

P.S. This is Starting as a new thread... :eek2:

bump

new complex for Mascot

http://www.colliersresidential.com/listing_images/1227/th_310x168.98916967509_white_Center_682_bcave1.jpg

location-cnr Church & Bourke st

http://www.colliersresidential.com/listing_images/1227/th_310x207.66265060241_white_Center_682_bourkerdchurchaveaerial2.jpg

The Gateway Development Site at MASCOT Station boasting the following features:

DA Approved for 115 spacious apartments & 700m2 valuable Retail & 390m2 Commercial. 2 STAGED DEVELOPMENT 10 level and 8 level twin towers with panoramic views Two street frontage in strategic Gateway location at Mascot Station Comprising 4 x 3bed+study units (148-170m2 internal) 66 x 2bed+study units (100-115m2 internal) 23 x 2bed apartments (100-112m2 internal)

22x 1bed+study apartments (75m2 internal) Enormous Apartments with extra large balconies Prominent Church Ave frontage of 56.4 m, Bourke Rd frontage of 76.6 m & depth of 102 m & on a land parcel of over 4,400 sqm (approx) . DA Approved with 115 apartments comprising GFA of 14,455 sqm (approx) & 245 carspaces. The Mascot Station residential precinct is relatively small and contained. Designed by renowned Krikis Tayler Architects

http://www.colliersresidential.com/listings.cgi?listing=1227&rm=viewListing&s=r#

Woot!! Not so tall but looks good nonetheless.

The Federal government has allowed Marauder Bank to go ahead with four 12 storey carparks and two 9 storey mixed use buildings on the carpark site outside the International Terminal. What's that I smell? Is it a whiff of hypocrisy perchance?!

Flying into Sydney Saturday Morning.
http://img247.echo.cx/img247/3439/picture0402no.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

jt

coool shot!!!

It is a cool shot.

Still a couple of KMs from the airport. that's Erskineville down there and Zenix apartments, just opposite the station (bottom of pic). Sydney Park on the right.

Cool Shot!

Qantas?

Cool Shot!

Qantas?

Yes. I took quite a few more pics. They are on another thread. There is a good one of Chatswood and quite a few I haven't posted yet of Hornsby, Gold Coast and taking off in Brisbane. Q1 stood out like 'dogs balls'. The best shots I got were above the clouds.

jt

Wasn't sure where to post this development, but thought it should be mentioned - currently selling off-the-plan, located next door to the Mascot train station. It's a two-tower development which looks to me to be 11/12 and 10 storeys, and is called Mascot Tower

http://img.domain.com.au/img/4348/2005076539_1_FS.JPG?mod=050803-220450

Some other Mascot developments (not as tall):

The Pinnacle

http://img.domain.com.au/img/3420/2005080755_1_FS.JPG?mod=050721-141958

Aero

http://img.domain.com.au/img/3670/2004289753_3_FS.JPG?mod=050805-104453

This stage of Aero is actually complete I think

http://img.domain.com.au/img/3670/2004289753_1_FS.JPG?mod=050805-104453

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/0704/102260704ml1110431018.jpg

109-123 O'Riordan Street

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/3058/102043058ml1100838364.jpg

Maybe this thread could be incorporated into an Inner South East development thread or something and include projects between the Southern CBD and the airport? Like incorporate Victoria Park/Green Square threads with Mascot/Randwick/Maroubra/Airport stuff etc.?

i merged threads finn. i posted it back in april but was known as Gateway?

i merged threads finn. i posted it back in april but was known as Gateway?

Thanks Cul. I looked in the project guide sticky but couldn't find anything about Mascot, didn't realise there was a thread for it! :)

^ ive put the link in now. its under Rockdale, Woolicreek ect.

A new DA has been lodged with bot bot council. The 10storey ELECTROLUX HQ will be massive 10storey/45m complex cnr o Reirdon & Cowards Streets.

Render of The Academie Apartments, Kensington:

http://www.rh.com.au/propertyImages/fullSize/chinatown/sn_834877_1.jpg

"Altitude", 169 O'Riordan Street, Mascot, (DHL site) 10 storeys, 13,000m2 office space, to be developed by Macquarie Goodman. Electrolux has already committed to 4100m2.
Site recently bought for $20m.
Source: SMH: Commercial, 17feb07

Here's a couple of renders from the building's PropertyLook listing (http://www.propertylook.com.au/listing/default.asp?lk=66666):

http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/MGM/MGM_192/300/MGM_192_66666_79124.jpg http://www.propertylook.com.au/listings/MGM/MGM_192/300/MGM_192_66666_79125.jpg

That's the one! Thankyou.

Wasn't sure where to post this development, but thought it should be mentioned - currently selling off-the-plan, located next door to the Mascot train station. It's a two-tower development which looks to me to be 11/12 and 10 storeys, and is called Mascot Tower

http://img.domain.com.au/img/4348/2005076539_1_FS.JPG?mod=050803-220450

Some other Mascot developments (not as tall):

The Pinnacle

http://img.domain.com.au/img/3420/2005080755_1_FS.JPG?mod=050721-141958



Had a look in Mascot around the airport yesterday and noticed quite a few of the projects listed above on this page under construction.

Mascot Towers and Pinnacle (above) are both well under construction near the Mascot train station. The two Mascot Towers (10 storeys and 12 storeys) are up to about 6 storeys high and Pinnacle is topped out.

The Electrolux building (post #48) is well under construction with some glazing being installed on the lower levels.

The land next to Holiday Inn which used to have a sculpture and some landscaping is all dug up like they are building something there.

Also, the new Quest Apartments (render below) is topped out at 9 levels, across the street from the existing Stamford Hotel & Airport Central:

http://www.southerncrossgroup.net/SiteMedia/w3svc328/Uploads/Images/2466c821-51f0-41c7-94fc-d46fd514e5ba.jpg

At the International Airport there were a couple of massive pile driving machines working on the early stages of the two new 12 storey car park/office buildings in the existing car parking lot:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4627/internationalairportcarpp1.jpg

^^
OMG, Quest apartment looks horrible!!!
I feel like I'm back to 60s.

^^
OMG, Quest apartment looks horrible!!!
I feel like I'm back to 60s.

Redfern towers looks nicer.

I finally managed to take a few pictures of Mascot Tower next to Mascot Station. I live across the road, and have been watching it go up really really quickly. Can't wait till it's all done. I hope to GOD there are some shops underneath... there's nothing around this area :ohno:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/MascotTower3.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/MascotTower2.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/MascotTower.jpg

great. how many floors will these have?

^^ Isn't it the 1st project finn posted in #41? 10 & 12-levels.

Thanks Joelby.

must be these bldgs.

http://img.domain.com.au/img/4348/2005076539_1_FS.JPG?mod=050803-220450

^^ Isn't it the 1st project finn posted in #41? 10 & 12-levels.

Thanks Joelby.

Yeah that's the one (which pictures are suddenly not working for me). From what I can see they are pretty much done height wise then?

I hope to GOD there are some shops underneath... there's nothing around this area :ohno:


Isn't Botany Rd meant to be the retail centre of Mascot?

Yes it is, and there are plenty of shops down there, but there are alot of medium density blocks going up around this area near the station and there is nothing. One petrol station and one corner shop but the nearest shops at mascot are a 15+ minute walk away. Someone would do well to open a big Woolworths/Coles/Tesco (I can dream) around here, especially if they're going to use all the big empty blocks of land for more apartments.

I finally managed to take a few pictures of Mascot Tower next to Mascot Station. I live across the road, and have been watching it go up really really quickly. Can't wait till it's all done. I hope to GOD there are some shops underneath... there's nothing around this area :ohno:


Thnks for the pics Joelby, for some reason I thought this was one of those projects that will never happen (I guess because I hadn't seen it advertised anywhere for ages), so it's good to see it well and truly underway!

The rendering shows some shop signage ("Aroma Coffee & Tea"), so there should be some retail there! Besides the residential tower lobbies there isn't anything else much the developers could use the ground floor for, so there should be a few shops at least.

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/3058/102043058ml1100838364.jpg

This looks like a bigger shitheap than redfern towers.

^^ It is. Has aged really badly already... it will be a real modern day commie block in a few years.

Finn unfortunately for me, Aroma is already there in some old red-brick building and is not a coffee shop, but some office that's been left there. I'll have to wait and see I guess!

Finn unfortunately for me, Aroma is already there in some old red-brick building and is not a coffee shop, but some office that's been left there. I'll have to wait and see I guess!


So they altered the image for the marketing? That's dodgy!!

Strategy offers new hub for Ghost Train
Source: Southern Courier
Author: Laury Desmond
Posted: Mon 30 Jul, 2007

http://www.villagevoice.com.au/article/20070730/NWS10/707240348/Strategy+offers+new+hub+for+Ghost+Train

The area around Mascot station has been pegged for growth.

Do you think it's fair the Mascot railway station precinct has been identified as a growth area, when the fares on Westpac's Airport Rail Link are so high? Have your say at our blog: fairfare.wordpress.com

A plan to create a town centre around Mascot station has intensified the debate surrounding the notoriously high fares on Westpac's "Ghost train": the Airport Rail Link.

The Draft East Subregional Strategy, released last week, identified the 30-hectare site between Gardeners Road and Coward Street as a potential new precinct which would generate 1750 jobs and 3000 new homes.

The plan stated the development of Mascot station on the airport rail line had "created the opportunity to intensify employment and housing".

It aims to create a local business strip at the station and a commercial and residential precinct to the east - all of which would be serviced by Westpac's Airport Rail Link.

But the news brought more calls for line owners, the Airport Link Company, to reduce fares.

Botany Bay Mayor Ron Hoenig said the plan created more need for a revision of the fare schedule.

"[The Airport Link Company] needs to integrate Mascot station and the Airport Rail Link into the whole public transport system," he said.

"There is no point creating a new precinct, which will be served by Mascot station, if it is not fully integrated.

"More people will be using the line and the plan is aimed at increasing the attractiveness of the area, so you need to bring the people to Mascot and the best way of doing this is to have a fully integrated public transport system.

"If you don't have good transport, you don't have good communities."

Airport Link Company CEO John Wilson was unavailable for comment.

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http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1116/1141287653_eaa87630ac_o.jpg

Just been out taking some pictures of Mascot...

First lot is of The Pinnacle on the corner of O'Riordan and Coward Streets:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0029.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0030.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0034.jpg

Next lot is of a quite sexy building on the same corner (no idea what it's called or who's moving in), but on the other side of Coward Street:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0031.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0032.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0033.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0035.jpg

I quite like it. It's really reflective for such a quasi-residential area. Only downside is that there's an exceedingly large unclad car park underneath the building so from the back and one side it almost looks a bit like some parts aren't finished.

Next is Mascot Towers next to the station. These aren't turning out very pretty at all. The top looks like a 1990's public building, and the finish on some of the brickwork and balconies is not looking good. I just hope to god they put in a decent store downstairs:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0042.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0040.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0039.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0038.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0037.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0036.jpg

And my favourite:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0041.jpg

"Actual view (if you stand on the roof and have a telescopic lens on your camera)"

And just two doors up from Mascot Towers on Church Ave, there's alot going on that is news to me. Three weeks ago it was a 60's industrial kind of place, and now it's completely gone and someone's driving foundations in or something. Anyone know what's going up there?

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0044.jpg


http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/IMG_0043.jpg


...sorry for the multiple posts, I just thought it'd be easier to follow which was which building!

Next lot is of a quite sexy building on the same corner (no idea what it's called or who's moving in)

That looks like the building Brizer mentioned here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11802038&postcount=47) - it's called "Altitude". I like it, and it's even faithful to the renders (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=11804047&postcount=48)!

What's the deal with that strange red shack in the first photo? Shonky old shacks seem to be all the rage in Mascot - I caught the train down there a few weeks ago to buy a sausage and noticed that there was some awful brown coffee shack next to the shabby Mascot Towers, too.

Yeah the one in the picture is a sandwich bar. The one next to the station is Aroma Coffee, who I think are moving out. Vile little red brick house-come-warehouse that will be all that's left along with cockroaches after armageddon. There are alot of little awful spots around here...

Okay update time... 2008 is going to be a big year for the block or two around the station. There's been a bit of demolition work on some new sights, signs going up on others, and work completing on more.

Here's a bit of a diagram for those unfamiliar with the area... gives you an idea of how much work is going on in such a small area:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/Mascotconstruction.jpg

1 - Mascot Towers:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1229.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1227.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1225.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1224.jpg

This is where there looks to be shops going in *woohoo*

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1226.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1228.jpg

2 - The Pinnacle

Almost done here as well...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1219.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1218.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1220.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1221.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1222.jpg


3 - Unknown.

I don't know what this one's called, and haven't seen a render. The only sign out the front is covered by a tarp, but it used to say something about apartments and I think a commercial bit down the bottom. Either way, it's happening, so time will tell:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1230.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1231.jpg


4 - Rina Apartments

This one has been cleared for about 8 months, then suddenly the sign went up two weeks ago. Now they're doing more clearing (at 11pm and 6 fucking AM :( !! ). Looks like only a few stories high but on quite a big block. And we have a render!:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1216.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1217.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1215.jpg

5 - Unknown

This one is a bit of a run-down corner, but going from the details on the signage (and my basic knowledge), it could end up being quite tall (as tall as Mascot Towers next door maybe?).

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/IMG_1223.jpg

It seems that all the developments around Mascot station are including retail areas underneath, which is great. I'm starting to get suspicious that the block directly between Mascot Towers and John St (where Aroma Coffee is/was) will be a supermarket or something. There's space for pedestrian access behind the station and it seems they're trying to gradually build a bit of a retail hub. All we need is a supermarket!

Thanks for the updates Joelby!
Your little map is very helpful.
The Pinnacle actually looks better than the render.

Low-rise Rina is a bit dissapointing. Looks like no retail space either.

Thanks for the updates Joelby!
Your little map is very helpful.
The Pinnacle actually looks better than the render.

Low-rise Rina is a bit dissapointing. Looks like no retail space either.

The Rina site looks very big! Despite the low rise buildings, over such a large site it will add a decent chunk of population, thus driving retail demand. The area planning is probably to focus retail around the train station creating a central hub, so it's good Rina has no retail as this could dilute the main retail area.

Yeah it is quite large. Probably good that Rina has no plans for retail actually. It would create a small commercial strip out of Church Ave if there was, as there's already the service station on the corner of Church Ave and O'Riordan St and a few existing commercial spots on Church Ave accross the road from site 3 on my map. The street is in dire need of re-paving and a few good speed humps, but wouldn't suit any as any kind of shopping strip. I look forward to a little Mascot Village developing around the station though!!

great updates thanks

another great little urban renewal area going on in sydney, and it's very live and not stagnant. it's nice to see some updates, cheers!

As if there wasn't already enough going on, there are two more large lots on Church Avenue going up.

The building in lot 6 on my below map is currently being pulled down. No signage, no nothing. First I saw was the carpark (which loads of people used as a free park for Mascot station) was fenced off, and a few days later the walls and roof were gone.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/aobboi/construction/Mascotconstruction2.jpg

And the one I've been hoping for, area 7 on the map, which was used as a warehouse/depot for loads of crates and kegs of beer, looks all locked up and now has signage out the front (on both Gardener's Road and Church Ave), asking for expressions of interest. Can't wait to see what comes of that, because that site is MASSIVE.

Multi-storey car park (with a bit of office) at the airport:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6128/airportcarpark01ry5.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8076/airportcarpark02nx6.jpg

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1078/airportcarpark03iz1.jpg

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6749/airportcarpark04vi4.jpg

looks huge

POSTED BY ARCHI

From the Woods Bagot site:

http://www.woodsbagot.com/en/Pages/SydneyAirportHotel.aspx

SYDNEY AIRPORT HOTEL
http://www.woodsbagot.com/en/PublishingImages/Project_Images/Sydney_Airport_Hotel.jpg

Woods Bagot is currently designing a superior five-star hotel of iconic presence which integrates seamlessly with the surrounding environment.

The form, scale and massing of the new Sydney Hotel is contemporary in design in response to our client’s (Multiplex) brief. The hotel provides 300 rooms with extensive meeting, convention and recreational facilities.

Where is this hotel going to be built ??. It looks awesome but im just curious on its location. Does anyone know ?.

This has been appearing in the SMH's Domain of late....Parkside Apartments, Arncliffe:

Parkside Apartments (http://parkapartments.com.au)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Muse11/ParkApartmentsArncliffe.jpg?t=1213599624

....

I think that one has been mentioned before in the wolli creek thread.

Picky, picky. Where's the link lazy-bones?

I remember reading something about it in there ages ago, but not sure. I wasn't having a dig, it was a good find. :) Sorry, can't easily search and link this arvo/evening because I'm not at a computer. These handhelds are fiddly!

Do we know where that new Airport hotel is going yet? on site? in mascot CBD?

Picky, picky. Where's the link lazy-bones?


I posted that one in Wolli Creek thread. There you go.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=93813&page=13

lol @ Lancelot. No excuses, no mercy! ;)

Thanks James. A much clearer render of Park Apartments too. I guess Arncliffe would belong more so in the "Wally" Creek thread over being in the Mascot one.

BTW I really looooove the 26-32 Marsh St & 20-22 Princess Hwy developments....AND the "Site 3" (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=21455235&postcount=290) proposal is out of this world!...particularly the overhead render (3rd one down) showing the towers, plaza areas, canopies and green spaces.

Wednesday 3 dec: SMH Eastern Suburbs Section/liftout: huge ad for Rina Apartments. Three buildings of 8 storeys designed by Edifice Design (architects). Lot of huff about amazing design but doesn't look exactly innovative and cutting edge to me, just a few chopped or odd angles.

I drove past them today. Said compltetion mid 2009. Well they have a lot of bloody work to do, there was only a short core there from what I saw!

Wednesday 3 dec: SMH Eastern Suburbs Section/liftout: huge ad for Rina Apartments. Three buildings of 8 storeys designed by Edifice Design (architects). Lot of huff about amazing design but doesn't look exactly innovative and cutting edge to me, just a few chopped or odd angles.

Here are some renderings - looks like a lot of the mid-rise stuff scattered throughout Sydney suburbs:

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8332/105408332bl1228196642.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8332/105408332ml1228196642.jpg

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/8332/105408332cl1228196642.jpg

Mascot is starting to bulk up though, as seen in the background of these construction pics:

http://www.rinaapartments.com.au/assets/site-pics/oct08-1.jpg

http://www.rinaapartments.com.au/assets/site-pics/sep08-2.jpg

http://www.rinaapartments.com.au/assets/site-pics/sep08.jpg

http://www.rinaapartments.com.au/assets/site-pics/site-concrete2.jpg

This is the development you can see under construction in one of the images posted above - 19 Church Avenue:

http://www.realestate.com.au/objects/props/5015/104945015ml1212116729.jpg

http://www.rinaapartments.com.au/assets/site-pics/oct08-1.jpg

tempe ikea model at lands dept. right thread?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/3099544272_a15e8d4953_b.jpg

pretty much

I like thhat the Deco Building is being kept. I think it is the old Penfolds Wine offices or something? But I feel sad that the history of the hospital will be gone and the remaining buildings left will be demolished. There is actually quite a nice Deco Home that will be raised that was part of the hospital. Shame it cannot be kept.

^ i thought the whole area behind the deco building was a tip???

Razed.

thanks for the pic cull

jan4 pic from flickr
mascot
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1341/3171706722_178238d19f_b.jpg

jan4 pic from flickr
mascot
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1341/3171706722_178238d19f_b.jpg

I think it's time for Mascot updates!!


Mascot station square. All shops are still empty...
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4870/mascot01.jpg


Except one! Thai restaurant opened a month ago. YAY!!
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3107/mascot02f.jpg


Mascot Towers from the rear angle.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8638/mascot00q.jpg


A new building under construction across the station. Hmm... what's that?
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2234/mascot03t.jpg


It has no balconies. Probably office?
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4262/mascot04.jpg


Looks kinda thin for an office building though.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9638/mascot05.jpg


Recently completed unknown apartment.
This is one of the most hideous design I've ever seen in Sydney. :bash:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3438/mascot06e.jpg


Looks so cheap like a cardboard box!
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1655/mascot07.jpg


OMG, three of them! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3525/mascot08.jpg


On the other hand, Rina Apartments looking good quality. Thank god.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/959/mascot09.jpg


Other 2 buildings of Rina Apartments are still covered.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5826/mascot10.jpg


Rina Apartments, unknown cardboard box, and Mascot Towers lined up.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8343/mascot11.jpg


Pinnacle turned out to be better than the render. Phew.
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8130/mascot12.jpg


Pinnacle from the rear angle. Not bad. Not bad.
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8995/mascot13.jpg

Wow! Great updates. This area is a bit of a sleeper. Lots happening but it's been off the ssc radar so it's surprising to see all these developments. There should be some real density around the area in the future. Keep us posted.

Thanks for the pics BearCave! That's something I really love about Sydney - the myriad of suburban centres just doing their own thing. Continually building, growing, densifying. :)

Glad you liked it. :)

I forgot to upload this one.
A new apartment under construction at Coward St.
From the render, it consists of 5 story & 8 story buildings.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8594/mascot14.jpg

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/1200/mascot15b.jpg

BTW ImageShack seems VERY unstable at moment. If you see the red-crosses, keep reloading the image and eventually it will come up.

Some of those residential buildings around Mascot need to go ... terrible introduction to Australia!

^^ The residential buildings are a little bland in some places, though they're not ugly or anything.

What are the vacancy rates like for the completed buildings in the area these days? Is there still plenty of demand?

^ rental demand yes, but you have to get someone to buy them first and that's the hard bit. those developers trying to emulate the meriton "tough times" model of renting the whole block out until things pick up, will do ok if they've got the leverage.

Not much mention of the huge $500 million upgrade at Sydney Airport as of late. It's going along well.

From The St George and Sutherland Shire Leader (stgeorgesutherlandleader.com.au)

Sydney Airport terminal work shaping up
BY MARIANNA PAPADAKIS
28/09/2009 5:00:00 AM
A $500 MILLION redevelopment of Sydney Airport's international terminal is almost finished, and some sections will open next month.

The Leader toured the soon-to-be-completed upgraded facilities 7300 square metres of retail, food court and passenger waiting areas, baggage systems and centralisation of security screening and border control areas.


Works are expected to be completed about next June.


An eight-storey car park is being built for the new terminal.


Airport spokesman Michael Samaras said the improved facilities were to cater for increasing passenger numbers, 75per cent of whom at present do not have access to airline lounges.


The airport handles about 160 aircraft movements a day. Last year, it handled 33 million passengers, including 10.6 million international visitors.


This is expected to increase to 68million passengers by 2024.


The larger customs area has cameras at every desk, security screens above, and search rooms nearby.


Mr Samaras said security includes in-line X-ray units and conveyors to screen thousands of bags an hour.


He said the more pleasant ambience would make for a easier, faster and less stressful departure for passengers.


A recycled-water plant to flush toilets and air-conditioning will reduce freshwater use by 30 per cent.


The owner of Sydney Airport, Macquarie Airports, reported a first-half net loss of $299million. It retained its long-term view of up to 5per cent annual growth rate.

Two renders of the redeveloped terminal

http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/SACL/IgnitionSuite/uploads/images/2009-forum_final8000c.jpg

http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/SACL/IgnitionSuite/uploads/images/T1BorderProcessing.jpg

Further info - http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/SACL/International-Terminal---Expansion-and-Upgrade.html

An eight-storey car park is being built for the new terminal.

Wonder if this is in addition to the car-park they finished last year or the year before???

The Tempo, Bourke Road, Mascot, 'directly opposite Mascot Train Station' - looks like 3 x fairly massive 13 storey buildings. Full page ad in yesterday's SMH Domain East.
Is this new or am I just the last to know?

The Tempo, Bourke Road, Mascot, 'directly opposite Mascot Train Station' - looks like 3 x fairly massive 13 storey buildings. Full page ad in yesterday's SMH Domain East.
Is this new or am I just the last to know?

There's a good pocket of density that's developed around Mascot Station and these towers sound like they'll bulk it up even further. I hadn't heard of this development before & couldn't find any images online?

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1275/mascotv.jpg

I couldn't either - tried the name and Domain but nada.

The Tempo
8 Bourke Road (ad writers might like to check address in ad)
Mascot

Across the road from Mascot Railway Station.

3 x 13 storey "pavillions" (sic!!!)/1, 2 & 3 bedroom units "from $600,000" (sic!!!))
209 apartments/11 shops/8 commercial offices.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/brizer_foto/TheTempocommercial_8bourkestreet.jpg

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/brizer_foto/TheTempo1.jpg
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/brizer_foto/TheTempo3.jpg

^^
Boring design... :(

LOL what is this vomitastic shit?

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3438/mascot06e.jpg

Surely noone would put their name to this let alone want to live there.

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/brizer_foto/TheTempocommercial_8bourkestreet.jpg

It appears to be built on top of a gaol.

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3438/mascot06e.jpg

The sun shades look like torn paper. Awful.

A recent shot of the site where Tempo will rise.

Display Centre is open.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4981/img5037q.jpg

Took some photos of buildings recently completed. (Poor quality images due to dodgy iPhone camera)

Small office building across the station. Looks VERY nice.
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4870/mascot01.jpg

Bland apartment:
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4262/mascot04.jpg

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/9638/mascot05.jpg

This one I LIKE. It has a very nice facade.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1655/mascot07.jpg

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3525/mascot08.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1730/mascot10g.jpg

Here are some of mine.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/5076/img5071.jpg

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/5820/img5048.jpg

http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/2422/img5060.jpg

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/2952/img5052v.jpg

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8941/img5047b.jpg

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/7652/img5043.jpg

http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/5062/img5029fp.jpg

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5133/img5057v.jpg

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/4893/img5044.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7941/img5030gh.jpg

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/316/img5036z.jpg

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/3572/img5046.jpg

Thanks for that, Fabian, & to BearCave earlier, as I've been meaning to get down there and check it out.

Who said there was little to increase use of Mascot station?!

Cannot say it's a haven of architectural merit, though, which is a bit of a pity.

Needed a masterplan for the area and some control over the design quality: an opportunity missed. Again.

Are there any plans for a supermarket in the area around the station? I lived in Aero for a while and that area is crying out for something... anything more than convenience sized stores.

Not that I know of. Spar is not quite a "supermarket".

There is an IGA Supermarket at Botany Rd, Mascot in the main shopping centre.

Tempo renderings:

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101117/17852/b8c3f1fb-aa7c-49da-bc50-fedb7c0c638b_FS.JPG?mod=110217-170205

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101117/17852/f9f2a3d0-45c7-4c52-9d8a-18ea6b568e64_FS.JPG?mod=110217-170205

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101117/17852/0d35d1ec-a6a6-4b76-870c-48f058590fa3_FS.JPG?mod=110217-170205

http://images.domain.com.au/img/201132/17852/529826ea-cc4b-4dd7-b41c-36dedeeb76a3_FS.JPG?mod=110217-170239

Not that I know of. Spar is not quite a "supermarket".

There is an IGA Supermarket at Botany Rd, Mascot in the main shopping centre.

That IGA is rubbish and overpriced, and more of an oversized convenience store. I'm talking more about a proper supermarket centred around the station, not Mascot proper.

The Tempo renders are good. The towers appear to have floorplates that are twice the size of existing unit towers. It will give the area some bulk.

AFR (Australian Financial Review) today:

Qantas’ Mascot makeover to take off
PUBLISHED : 7 hours 59 minutes ago | UPDATED: 3 hours 5 minutes ago PUBLISHED: 22 Mar 2011 12:05:37 PRINT EDITION: 22 Mar 2011

Qantas’s global headquarters in Sydney is about to get a major makeover, with the construction phase of the campus style complex about to begin.

Full article anyone?

Cannot get the article but found this Press Release by CBRE from March 2010 with some details relating to the makeover:

http://www.cbre.com.au/NR/rdonlyres/590A6B2D-1AB3-4E3A-A001-9BB662E32723/0/QANTASPRESSRELEASE.pdf

It is a reworking and revamping of existing buildings with some additions and all linked together to form a cohesive whole. Design work by Architectus. (Courtesy of local library.)

Looks like a few things happening around Mascot:

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8121/mascot2.jpg

I see Tempo site (209 apartments in 3 x 13 storey towers) being cleared (red outline):

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101117/17852/f9f2a3d0-45c7-4c52-9d8a-18ea6b568e64_FS.JPG?mod=110217-170205

A crane and excavation (blue outline) at 214-220 Coward St where they are building 137 apartments in a 13 storey tower and a 6 storey building:

http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x342/props/106916139/Main@20Feature/20101018150622.jpg

And it looks as though the big warehouse at 619-629 Gardeners Rd is being demolished (bile green outline). The site will house 500 apartments in seven residential towers (1 x 13 storeys, 1 x 12 storeys, 5 x 6 storeys). Massive!! (http://www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/index.php/integrated-development-application-and-joint-regional-planning-panel-application-development-application-nos-da10324-a-da10325)

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4486/mascot3.jpg

Site Masterplan (http://www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/images/stories/pdf/developmentassessment/2011/DA10-325/Plans/Master%20Plan/MP%2003%20Master%20Plan-%20Diagrams.PDF)

So that would give Mascot: 5 x 13-storey towers; 1 x 12-storey tower and; 6 x 6-storey buildings containing a total of 846 apartments currently under development across those three sites!

They all look a bit dead at street level.

Thanks for the udpate finn!

I'm really curious about this reserved corridor in Mascot. What's the plan??

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1982/mascoty.jpg

Thanks for the udpate finn!

I'm really curious about this reserved corridor in Mascot. What's the plan??

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1982/mascoty.jpg

I'm guessing it's an easement of some sort, probably for a pipeline. On some of the planning documentation it describes it as "future linear park by Council".

They all look a bit dead at street level.

It's a former industrial area, so there won't be any existing "high streets" to add to, meaning that ground level retail in this precinct needs to be defined by the masterplan for the area.

You definitely can't put ground level retail into every development in a transitioning precinct - the market will be flooded, the spaces won't be rented and you'll never define a town centre. And you can't create street life in an area that's never had pedestrians before, or any reason for them to go there - it needs to develop over time.

Presumably the focus area will be around the train station, and it looks as though the Mascot Towers development is trying to do this (perhaps not successfully yet). See Fabian's pic below:

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/7652/img5043.jpg

The Tempo development will be across the road from Mascot Towers & the train station entrance, and looks like it has a commercial frontage to the street which could be shops or offices (i.e. real estate agents, medical centre etc):

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101117/17852/0d35d1ec-a6a6-4b76-870c-48f058590fa3_FS.JPG?mod=110217-170205

The 619-629 Gardeners Rd development looks in the rendering to have commercial frontages to Gardeners Rd - maybe for showrooms?

"Future linear park" - could be just that, a linear park. There is one planned for the east side of Victoria Park Pde, Vic Park, between Gadigal Ave & East West Blvd, and another from Lachlan St to O'Dea Ave in Waterloo, across the super block named "Lachlan Precinct". See pics of the eastern side of "Divercity".

Mascot is looking super dense on NearMap now. Shame it's still a little lifeless at street level, but that's to be expected for a developing area like Mascot.

I heard some very interesting things today concerning Mascot. It all sounds a bit over the top, but the people I spoke to really seemed to be convinced of this.

Firstly, there is a Westfield going in at Mascot around the 'Tempo' site. This sounds a bit crazy considering there is a Westfield not far away at Eastgardens, but as I said, the people I spoke to were convinced that this is the plan.

The other bit of news is that Meriton has purchased the Bunnings site, and Bunnings is going and will be re-located somewhere in Botany ?.

So yeah, take it with a grain of salt, but interesting stuff.

The site that wraps around Bunnings, on the north to Bourke Rd, and on the east to Gardeners Rd, is for sale. It has development approval for a mixed use, bulky goods project called Kingsford Smith Centre. Maybe Meriton bought that.

Westfield would want a huge site and I'm not sure that there is such a site in Mascot.

A small to medium size shopping centre to cater local residents may work in Mascot, but Westfield doesn't sound right. Green Square is planned to be a major retail centre too.

I dont know why the locals would believe that Westfield is going to be built in Mascot.

And I've just realized, Bunnings is actually in Alexandria, on the north side of Gardeners Rd. I very much doubt there is the population to support a Westfield. Even the planned Green Square Town Centre will not be big enough to support a Westfield.

Also consider that Marrickville Metro would also cater to locals and there plans to expand that centre too.

Plus there's the dismal, scruffy Eastlakes Shopping Centre just up Gardeners Rd which also has expansion plans.
On the drawing board is the connected swathe of shopping centres from Victoria Park Central to Green Sq Town Ctr to the big centre proposed at 296-298 Botany Rd. The latter after going as far as the L&E Court got modified approval some time ago but has been quiet since. In total those 3 linked projects amount to +50,000m² of retail space less than 3-4 km away from the airport.
Westfield would not like those figures.

I agree with everyone. i questioned the info I was given, but these people all seemed convinced. Personally i don't think there is the space for a westfield in Mascot.

As for the Bunnings thing, that sounds more reasonable.

Peronally, Id like to see retail at the 'Pretty Girl' location next to IKEA in Tempe. Now thats an area that would be perfect for it. Mind you, I don't think the neighbours would like it. I hear there is a community meeting on Wednesday night as neighbours in Tempe/Sydnenham fight the RTA and IKEA about a road closure to a local street because of IKEA.

Im all for there being retail facilities in new locations, but the disruption to locals especially if they have to travel half way around their own suburb just to get in and out of their street really sucks.

Although Mascot is more industrial than residential, I can just imagine the traffic chaos that a Westfield would bring especially as more apartment buildings go up.

I'm surprised Westfield haven't done something AT the airport tbh.

And Mascot/Alexandria are in desperate need of a decent full sized supermarket, I've said it before.

They have had the opportunity over the years to do a retail project in or around the airport. Macquarie Bank have control of the airport and they have gone to alot of effort to expand retail offerings at the International and Domestic Terminals.

I also remember several years ago plans for a major shopping centre on General Holmes Drive opposite where the BP Service Centre and McDonalds are at Mascot. It backed onto the third runway and really made no sense to build anything there at all with the runway metres away.

Govt put the kybosh on Macquarie's grand plans, for reasons that included traffic as the area surrounding the airport already has traffic problems and the residential population in the area would not support such a large development as that proposed. Local councils were frothing with rage, and in this instance, I could not blame them.

Mascot is essentially in two parts, the eastern residential area which is serviced by Botany Road high street shops and Eastlakes shopping centre; and, the western area which is the airport and still largely industrial with increasing residential, but not nearly enough to support a major shopping centre.

As pointed out above by Fabian and myself, nearby shopping centres are planning expansion projects and just to the north there is the large planned centres at Victoria Park, Green Square Town Centre and across the Botany/Bourke roads intersection & Green Square train station, the 296-298 Botany Road box shopping centre.

For further reading, and to answer all those little wtf!? and why!? and what-were-they-thinking!? type questions, try:
Green Square and Southern Areas Retail Study 2008
located right here:
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Development/UrbanRenewalProjects/GreenSquare/GreenSquareSouthernAreasRetailStudy2008.asp

Looks like there's some new projects planned/underway in Mascot from the most recent Nearmap images.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2683/developmentsitesh.jpg

The purple outlined sites are mystery sites - not sure what's happening there but they've both been demolished/cleared since last Nearmap update! :)

New projects with the red outlines:

506-518 Gardners Road (http://www.realcommercial.com.au/property-land+development-nsw-alexandria-5763873): red outline, top edge of image - huge old factory being cleared and site remediated for sale as a bulky goods industrial development site.

http://images2.au.reastatic.net/800x600/Commercial/3873/5763873,1301530199,ImageA.jpg

1. 103-105 O'Riordan Street (http://www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/index.php/environmental-planning-and-assessment-act-1979-integrated-development-application-and-joint-regional-planning-panel-application-development-application-no-11135): triangular red outline, right hand side of image - 12 storeys, 53 apartments.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9505/mascot1.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/962/riordanst.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5010/finalperspectivelinearp.jpg

2. 15 Bourke Street (http://www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/index.php/environmental-planning-and-assessment-act-1979-integrated-development-application-a-joint-regional-planning-panel-applicationdevelopment-application-no-da11160): red outline, bottom of image - 7 storeys, 151 serviced apartments

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5277/15bourke1.jpg

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3348/unled2wxx.jpg

Yellow outlined sites are projects previously mentioned being:

Tempo - 8 Bourke St (http://www.domain.com.au/Property/For-Sale/Apartment-Unit-Flat/NSW/Mascot/?adid=2008964852): Yellow outlined rectangular site, left hand side of image. Site works continue.

http://images.domain.com.au/img/2011427/17852/2008964852_1_FS.JPG?mod=111101-144605

http://images.domain.com.au/img/2011427/17852/2008964853_1_FS.JPG?mod=111101-144606

619-629 Gardners Road: Huge yellow outlined site. Old warehouse on site now cleared.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4486/mascot3.jpg

Pia: 214-220 Coward Street Smaller yellow rectangular site. New renderings since last time.

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101018/8256/313df2d6-81f1-4068-a064-96bd4c05f39b_FS.JPG?mod=111021-160842

http://images.domain.com.au/img/20101018/8256/0f2d439f-e159-474d-ab51-922edb85f7d1_FS.JPG?mod=111021-160842

Mascot is really breaking out! Pity it's not better planned rather than ad hoc.

Thanks finn, great updates!!

I actually like unplanned development in Mascot. You never know what you will get next and that's kinda exciting!

Kinda like Green Square in a way. While there is an eventual plan for development throughout the area, buildings at the moment are being developed by different developers, spread out through the development zone, so some areas still feel industrial despite having new developments in the same street.

I'm all for ad hoc development, the buildings are all different architecturally, which dosn't create the bland, sterile atmosphere of many new developments.

I think it's best to have a masterplan, not a detailed architectural plan, to avoid poor townplanning outcomes, to make sure there's sufficient green space and ensure services are conveniently located.

The City of Botany Bay Council is currently undertaking a review of local planning policy.
http://www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/index.php/botany-bay-draft-local-environmental-plan-2011-a-draft-comprehensive-dcp

The site & DA for the project mooted at 103-1105 O'Riordan Street - see post 150 above - is for sale according to ad in SMH Finance & Property section today.

More info on 619-629 Gardners Road.

http://www.abc-consultants.com.au/web_images/619-629%20Gardeners%20Rd,%20Mascot.pdf

Construction, site clearance is underway on the site of 619-629 Gardeners Road.

Hi guys, just a quick update. I've bought the land on 27 Church Avenue, Mascot . It's DA approved for 42 Apartments + 1 Commercial Suite. I'll be partnering with the Tiang Tong group from Beijing, China to develop 14 x 1 bedroom units (75sqm each), 28 x 2 bedroom units (100sqm each). The height limit of this plot is 44meters. I've been informed by the agent that I can apply for a height(density) increase with the council but it may take time and Tiang Tong group want to start with this project ASAP, I'll weigh up my options with this aspect. I'll keep updated when I get the layout and renders done. Cheers :cheers:

^^
How exciting! Looking forward to hearing updates from you!

Mascot update:

330 King St: (http://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-mascot-110721961) 14-storey and 9-storey residential towers, starting to bridge the gap between the Mascot train station towers and the high-rise near the Domestic Terminal.

http://i1.au.reastatic.net/800x600/6b371b404b3e4a644c22fa4460be75fe2bf4425c4a09438b87695a856163f2d5/main.jpg

http://i4.au.reastatic.net/800x600/9fc126dd14a39fd98109604fe876f50deec22d3b0a676fbcb13400353e59a05c/image4.jpg

http://i1.au.reastatic.net/800x600/66c69da9c9a8d93e9fec7365c81ee6f5c40d5e938a85755afb06bf1e343208d4/image5.jpg

http://i2.au.reastatic.net/800x600/3a0179fda8e5017c52f310741b5ac18eef0048bec09adda1ec207a68d5e1f864/image2.jpg

http://i3.au.reastatic.net/800x600/8e6ffaf6e790f66a8c95d22f999e7879ba430f88fd20ad138e6f6f5d32a908a1/image3.jpg

Airview Apartments - 208-210 Coward St: (http://www.realestate.com.au/property-apartment-nsw-mascot-109457746) 13-storey and 6-storey residential towers. Sits immediately adjacent the recently completed 214-220 Coward St development and looks to be built by the same developer.

http://i2.au.reastatic.net/800x600/e7b09d24b66b84bcf24527c55ec834028109afd89833d3ba5ce0c13b122cce61/image2.jpg

http://i4.au.reastatic.net/800x600/e79e9b66f475f7d5d4144079ddfdf557d7a6965a6bcc7a9519d09d5bb449ff69/image4.jpg

http://i1.au.reastatic.net/800x600/093bfeaf186f8009f92d81b5f54664e4d4b8d2e73c231a2e0345c88293eedaa5/main.jpg

http://i3.au.reastatic.net/800x600/1e4f471d9f80fd4ed84630f4a3e37ecf4a64e02052df9021d1abcca87ce19fec/image3.jpg

Futra iApartments

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii149/brizer_foto/Mascot/Futra-external_3_300.jpg


‘Apartments of the future’ launch in Sydney

15 October, 2012


A new apartment development is launching in Mascot, Sydney, marketed as ‘Australia’s most intelligent apartment building’.

Designed by MD+A Architects, the 54 units are being called iApartments. Each is programmed to electronically check Sydney’s weather and modify room temperatures accordingly.

Entry will be by fingerprint recognition, and an electronic noticeboard in the lobby displays social media information, residents’ tweets and select Facebook messages.

The developers of Futra say an iPad is the single most important piece of ‘furniture’. It controls the majority of electronic functions within each iApartment, including the lighting, blinds, television, ‘cinematic quality 3D theatre ‘and surround sound system.

The 12-storey building is designed by Brent Marvin of MD+A in Mascot, Sydney.

“With such a technologically-enabled building we sought to shift from convention, move out of the design comfort zone and not be constrained by prevailing methodology,” said Marvin.

“In short, we have designed a high performance yacht as opposed to a rusting oil tanker”.

MD+A Architects are among the growing number of creative companies have moved into the area, a major growth pocket in the city.

Energy saving initiatives include a ‘smart thermo controller’ which learns a resident’s living habits then calculates the most efficient way to reduce energy consumption.

A keyless building, access to the carpark and the lobby is though a credit card, while entry to individual apartments is by a fingerprint or passcode.

Futra is being developed by Longton, an international consortium whose slogan is ‘Belong to the future’. Their stated aim is for everything about the apartments to be futuristic, including the display suite, which is on the 27th level of a CBD skyscraper, where purchasers are invited to play with all the electronic gadgetry.

Interior design features include Manhattan-style fireplace which runs on ethanol at 40-cents an hour. Marble is used for integrated joinery, suspended shelving and appliance bays.'

“The master bathroom is pure indulgence, with a sumptuous freestanding bath, twin ceramic wash basins and vanities, natural stone floors and an overhead rainfall shower,” said Karen Wallace of KW Interiors.

“Our master bedroom has a clever custom designed niche area to store those essential items. Beautiful wallpaper in the bedroom and living room adds a sense of luxury, and we’ve paid special attention to mood lighting to create comfortable, cosy interiors.”

http://www.architectureanddesign.com.au/news/launch-in-sydney?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Architecture%20and%20Design%20Newsletter%20-%20send%20-%3E%2015/10/2012%2012:32:48%20PM&utm_content=

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“With such a technologically-enabled building we sought to shift from convention, move out of the design comfort zone and not be constrained by prevailing methodology,” said Marvin.

Sounds fantastic. What could possibly go wrong?

Make your own list: no prizes but the supreme satisfaction of being RIGHT!

Hi guys, new here. Just bought into the Futra development off-plan. Great looking building and some of the best floor-plans I've seen in Sydney.

They really are going the extra mile with the design and quality which is why I bought in - too many buildings around Sydney just too too tired way too quickly. You already can see it on some of the constructions around Mascot.

Should be a great addition to the Mascot skyline if they get it right.

Hi guys, new here. Just bought into the Futra development off-plan. Great looking building and some of the best floor-plans I've seen in Sydney.

They really are going the extra mile with the design and quality which is why I bought in - too many buildings around Sydney just too too tired way too quickly. You already can see it on some of the constructions around Mascot.


If you bought off-plan, you'd never know how quickly your building would look tired though?

Hi guys, new here. Just bought into the Futra development off-plan. Great looking building and some of the best floor-plans I've seen in Sydney.

They really are going the extra mile with the design and quality which is why I bought in - too many buildings around Sydney just too too tired way too quickly. You already can see it on some of the constructions around Mascot.

Should be a great addition to the Mascot skyline if they get it right.

Did they give you an indication of construction start date?

It's interesting that Mascot is undergoing a construction boom not entirely dissimilar to Victoria Park but doesn't get the same attention. I counted four cranes on the Mascot skyline when I was in Sydney a couple of weeks ago.

If you bought off-plan, you'd never know how quickly your building would look tired though?

Just from the materials they are promising to use mate. The exterior won't be a render/paint job. Using industrial paneling and a lot of glass.

Did they give you an indication of construction start date?

It's interesting that Mascot is undergoing a construction boom not entirely dissimilar to Victoria Park but doesn't get the same attention. I counted four cranes on the Mascot skyline when I was in Sydney a couple of weeks ago.

Not set yet mate, but hopefully soon. They have sold around 50% off-plan already which is enough to get started. Looking to finish in 18 months.

The building next door, M2, seems to be underway already. That one is going to be a massive complex. Looks great from the graphics too.

The really interesting part is going to be around the railway station with Tempo. The Mascot masterplan has the central retail and park area out the back of that. So can't wait to see what buildings go in there and how that is going to look.

Do we have pics of the complex?

Do we have pics of the complex?

Sure It's the same one as above that Brizer added. But I've added a few more. The interior shot is a North facing 2 bed. All sold out now except for about 4 1 beds and studios.

I haven't seen the master plan mentioned either. Here it is http://www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/index.php/public-exhibition-of-draft-botany-bay-local-environmental-plan-2012/251

I think the council did really well with what options they have available with existing development. They also have recently been granted use of the 'linear park' (which is a Sydney Water Pipeline) and that should give some great openness to the area. Heard that it might be used as a outdoor gym equipment track given it's linear nature.




http://www.glorygroup.com.au/images/Futra_Ext_Cam01.jpg

http://images-2.domain.com.au/2012/10/26/3746049/futra_729-620x349.jpg

http://www.architectureanddesign.com.au/getmedia/27d59ba3-91b0-498e-8a46-6afca5fbaed9/Futra-ensuite_1.aspx?width=620&height=472

Some recent photos of Mascot taken from Sydney Park, St Peters.

http://imageshack.us/a/img441/7558/img3110oe.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/9127/img3111m.jpg

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http://imageshack.us/a/img10/3787/img3113nk.jpg

January 2 2013

Taken by Lijman. Good stuff.

http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh423/lijman/Aerial%20views/SydneyJan012013021_zps96bc8f38.jpg

^^Wow, great photo! It's a goldmine of warehouses and industrial land waiting to be taken over.

I like the balance between commercial and residential development as well. Problem is that community facilities in this part of Mascot are absent. You have to trek to Botany Road.

I like the balance between commercial and residential development as well. Problem is that community facilities in this part of Mascot are absent. You have to trek to Botany Road.

not really the case nowadays. I am a trader and i do find it's pretty easy to get most of the facility in Mascot. From banking, restaurant, fast food, etc. The only issue that i can come across is the education facility. But i am sure government/council will sort out the issue if it's up to a stage that half of the area turning into residential. Isn't it?

Only the Good die young...

From Meriton Website:

Triguboff still powering ahead at 80 with `biggest ever' land purchase
Date: 05 Mar 2013


FRESH from celebrating his 80th birthday on Sunday, billionaire Harry Triguboff is clearly not planning on slowing down. Ranked by Forbes as Australia's sixth- richest man with a fortune of more than $US4 billion ($3.95bn), Mr Triguboff is about to fork out $100 million to buy an industrial site in Sydney, giving the powerful property baron the rights to develop $750m worth of apartment towers and shopping centres by 2017.

Mr Triguboffs (sic) Meriton Apartments is expected to exchange contracts as early as today on a 31,500sq m site at 19 Kent Road, Mascot, buying it from the Goodman Group, the ASX- listed Australian landlord that controls about $20bn of logistics sheds and business parks around the world. The negotiations over the site, which does not yet have planning approvals for housing development, have been on and off, but Meriton executives said yesterday a deal was again imminent.

More than 1000 apartments will be developed on the site, and Mr Triguboff expects it will take at least four years to complete the wide -ranging project, which will also include a shopping centre, supermarket, and specialty shops on the Kent Road site.

Mr Triguboff yesterday said hewas attracted to Mascot - near Sydney's domestic and international airports - because there were few apartment developments in the area. He plans to develop similar apartments to the units he has completed at nearby South Dowling Street.

"At the moment I have nothing in Mascot (and) I have a lot of apartments in South Dowling Street," Mr Triguboff told The Australian."There are fewer units in Mascot. It's time I had some (diversification). I thought it would be a good change," he said.

The billionaire is clearly not afraid of spending money, confirming that $100m is the most he has paid for a single site. "I (also) bought the South Dowling Street site for $100m four years ago." Mr Triguboff, who is developing more than 2000 units in Sydney, was also active last week, paying $25.4m for a site at Sydney's Olympic Park, where he plans to develop a 300 -unit apartment complex. Despite the acquisitions, he said that speculation that interest rates would not be cut further due to improving property market conditions needed to stop. "There is no doubtthatthe catalyst for a property market recovery lies with the Reserve Bank droppingrates further," he said.

Despite wide -ranging reports of residential price growth, he said there had only been strong price growth in selected areas, mainly within a 10km ring of Sydney's CBD.

"This price growth is due to strong demand from Asian buyers who consider Sydney to be relatively cheaper than the cities of Shanghai or Beijing," he said. "The real test for property
values will be if China's economy starts to slow." In Brisbane, Meriton will complete the Infinity Tower at 43 Herschel Street later this year. The average sale price in the 81 -level complex is $650,000 and two - thirds of the units have pre - sold.

Article by Lisa Allen
The Australian

Where is the Member for Mascot?

Driving through today, there's a couple a big ones rising. At a guess I'd say they were Mascot Square & 330 King Street, but I'm happy to be corrected. Couldn't stop so couldn't get any pix.

mascot's building up well.

Here's the huge land that harry bought next to mascot train station,....

http://i43.tinypic.com/dx0mmg.png

^^
Wow that's big!

I'll try walk around this weekend and get some updates of the construction progress.