http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/scotland/4426815.stm

:rofl:

If it was upto Bond, James Bond, Scotland should go independent. Well, why not? As 4 EU member states you'd have more elbow, check the amount of seats for Latvia or Denmark ;)

Nah. Ideally, I believe in as much political unity and cultural diversity as possible

Pledge to stop 'health tourists'

Prescription from Wales will look different to those from England
Tighter rules are to be introduced to stop "health tourists" taking advantage of cheaper prescriptions in Wales, First Minister Rhodri Morgan has said.
From Friday, the cost of a prescription in Wales has been cut by £1 to £4 while in England it went up 10p to £6.50

Prescription charges will be scrapped altogether in Wales by 2007.

Wales-only, bilingual prescriptions will be introduced to stop people coming to Wales to obtain cheaper medication.

Visiting a GP's surgery in Barry, south Wales on Friday, Rhodri Morgan promised to stop patients travelling from England especially to obtain prescribed drugs.

"(Health tourism) isn't a problem yet, but it could be when the difference gets even starker next year or the year after," he said.

If you have a cheaper prescription, it's much less of a disincentive to move from welfare to work

First Minister Rhodri Morgan

"We are bringing in, in the autumn, tighter controls."

At the moment, there is nothing to stop NHS patients from England travelling to Wales to obtain their prescribed drugs more cheaply.

But Mr Morgan said that under-25s have had free prescriptions in Wales for four years, and there was little evidence that young people from England were using the policy to their advantage.

An assembly government spokesman said tighter controls would most likely be in the form of a "Welsh" prescription.

This would be bilingual for the first time, and show that it had been obtained from a doctor based in Wales by a patient registered in Wales.

Contract

Welsh pharmacists would then be able to tell if an English patient was offering a prescription written in England, and charge them accordingly, he said.

Patients with a Welsh prescription would be able to receive their prescription anywhere in the UK, but only at lower cost, or later for free, if they took it to a pharmacist that had a contract with a Welsh local health board.

Mr Morgan said the policy would help encourage those on welfare benefits to return to work.

"If you have a cheaper prescription, it's much less of a disincentive to move from welfare to work," he added.

Welsh Conservative health spokesman Jonathan Morgan, who is the prospective parliamentary candidate for Cardiff North, said: "If you live along the border then there is every possibility you would come to Wales to get your free prescription.

'Piecemeal'

"This is something the government should have thought of before embarking on this policy."

Plaid Cymru health spokesman Hywel Williams, the MP for Caernarfon, said his party supported free prescriptions, but criticised the "piecemeal" way the policy was being introduced.

Liberal Democrat health spokeswoman Kirsty Williams accused Labour of "slow progress" on the issue.

(They want to stop English People going to Wales for cheap prescriptions, pity they don't want to stop the huge flow of English Money subsidising these barbarians. I have had enough of it, the English are third class citizens in this union, and our loyalty to it has long been taken for granted. Eusebius typically comes in with the Celtic Point of view - I think he looks far to much South as well - but says nothing of the fact that the English cannot vote on Scots Only matters, yet the Scots and everyone else are free to do so on English Only matters, and indeed this has been significant in the legislation for Top-Up Fees and Foundation Hospitals.)

Well, why not? As 4 EU member states you'd have more elbow

I hope an Independent England would not work with the other members of this island on European Policy, we have different interests far better to work with mature nations who don't regularly vandalise the homes of the people from England who happen to live there.

Getting independance of the Celtic barbarians he?

It's curious UK, with the queen which is supposed to be a national figure, and strong symbols, even have those questions.

While France, without kings or queens doesn't have real unity problem (Corsica aside).

Yes you have said something similar in another PM to me, I think I'll address it with a reply on the differences of countries like the UK to countries like France, its do with history, national policy and much else besides.

Where anyone gets the idea a monarchy is a unifying factor I don't know, but any UK Unionists wishing to preserve their precious union should campaign for a Republic!

Still despite both my discontentment with our feudal constitution and with the British Union once again I will have to accept that neither will change probably in my lifetime, due to the apathy, indifference and ignorance of the public on these matters.

France has Basque Seperatists.

As for the UK with 50 million of it's 60 million population being English and growing, 5 million being Scottish and declining with estimated future population predicted to be 4 million, whilst Wales has a population of around 3 million and Northern Ireland a population of less than 2 million, it can clearly be seen that outside of England the other members of the Union are tiny with many cities equating to more than their whole population.

As for a problem with unity, I totally disagree, the main votes in Scotland and Wales are for mainstream political parties and not for nationalist causes, and in Northern Ireland the devide is more sectarian than anything else.

Finally I am not sure who a Dutchman and a Frenchmen are so interested in the political geography of the United Kingdom because to be honest I couldn't give a fuck about either of their countries :lol:

Spain has Basque separatists. France has Spanish Basque separitists as tourists. There are even no serious basque party in France.

The only real serious unity problem is Corsica.

We don't have serious unity problems outside of Northern Ireland.

Regions in France with independantist or regionalist parties (even tiny).

Alsace (Union du peuple Alsacien)
Brittany (Union Démocratique Bretonne)
Catalonia (Unitat Catalana)
Corsica (Partitu di a Nazione Corsa)
Occitania (Partit Occitan)
Savoy (Ligue Savoyenne, Mouvement Région Savoie)

I wonder why there is such a difference between Spain and France on this, I have always thought it strange that in Spain the Basques activities are linked to disrupting the mechanisms of the Spanish State, leading to assassinations and bombs, in France the most extreme you seem to get are some Anti-Parisian Jokes, common everywhere in France except perhaps Paris.

Franco is certainly part of the equation but I remain to be convinced that he is in its entirety.

Yes.

England. Scotland. Wales. N Ireland. Liverpool.

:cheers:

I wonder why there is such a difference between Spain and France on this, I have always thought it strange that in Spain the Basques activities are linked to disrupting the mechanisms of the Spanish State, leading to assassinations and bombs, in France the most extreme you seem to get are some Anti-Parisian Jokes, common everywhere in France except perhaps Paris.

Franco is certainly part of the equation but I remain to be convinced that he is in its entirety.


Chronology of the French Basque Country, if you can read French (otherwise babelfish it):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3612502&postcount=7

Like I give a fuck about France

Like I give a fuck about France


Don't you rather mean: "I don't give a fuck about France."?

Like I give a fuck about France

He wasn't addressing you, take your xenophobia somewhere else.

http://fers.elsass.free.fr/Accueil3.gif

Mir sin Jungi, wie üs me Land komme, üs me Grenzland : 's Elsass.

Mir komme üs me Land, wo's im Winter iskalt un im Sommer bedrüeckend heiss isch; e Land, wo alles starik un intensiv isch, e Land voll Liedeschafte.

Unsri Kültür, unsri Sproch begleite uns schon hunderti von Johre. Un d' Krizer un d' Schutzegräwer in de Vogese erinnere uns hit noch an unseri dramatisch G'schicht. Hie weiss m'r, was de Krieg füer e Blöedsinn isch, denn unsri Väter sin hüewe un drüewe g'falle. Drum welle m'r au nix vom Extremismus wisse, egal von wo er kommt. Denn mir g'höere zue me Land wie d'r Üsdüsch, bsondersch üewer de Rhin, berichert het. Weije dem sin mir au fescht üewerzöjeni Europäer.

Mir g'höere zue dene junge Lit wie an d' Zükunft glauwe, füer uns un füer 's Elsass. Füer uns han Rede un Verspreche e Sinn. Mir halte fescht an unserem Elsassland un welle ihm unseri Lieb schenke.

Mir sin also vom e Land, von're Sproch, von're G'schicht wie viel erlebt han. Mir sin im Elsass gebore, un des het uns zue dem gemacht was m'r sin. Mir han de Charakter von dem Land, un dene welle m'r au de kommende Generatione üewergenn.

Awer mir sin uns, leider, au bewusst, dass 's Elsass üssterbt: kültürell, sprochlich, awer au ökonomisch. Denn schon zue lang word unser Land verwalt von Lit wie von üswärts komme un wie's nit immer verstehn.
Jetz wo d' füeneft Repüblik nimmi witersch kommt, jetz wo Korsika, Bretagne, Baskeland, Occitanie un au 's Elsass e modernisierung von de Verfassung verlange, un dass meh Macht de Regione üewergenn word,

"FER'S ELSASS" VERLANGT AUTONOMIE

In the event of a federal Europe, yes, four British states would be better than one. Ideally though, I believe in a federal British Isles, so I believe the union should remain.

I believe that Scotland should be an independent nation as most of the political parties do not care about what happens up here.
I also believe that Scottish Independence is the only way that our country will be able to tackle the obstacles that it faces...

As for a problem with unity, I totally disagree, the main votes in Scotland and Wales are for mainstream political parties and not for nationalist causes, and in Northern Ireland the devide is more sectarian than anything else.

2001 election

http://news.bbc.co.uk/furniture/vote2001/results_constituencies/maps/uk.gif

Red = Labour
Blue = Conservative
Orange = Liberal Democrat
Yellow = Scottish Nationalist
Green = Plaid Cymru
Grey = Independent

In Northern Ireland

Dark Green = Sinn Fein
Light Green = SDLP
Pink = DUP
Blue = UUP

You are right, it would seem that only backwards peasants vote for PC or the SNP ;)

Finally I am not sure who a Dutchman and a Frenchmen are so interested in the political geography of the United Kingdom because to be honest I couldn't give a fuck about either of their countries :lol:

Why is it surprising that someone is interested in another country? It is surprising that such a strange and xenophobic attitude like yours still exists imo.

The Scots are more liberal than the English, I knew that. Lostboy, this will be you next home?

So the Tories won only one constituency in Scotland?

So the Tories won only one constituency in Scotland?


I think I'm starting to love Scotland.

I think I'm starting to love Scotland.
I allways loved Scotland ans Scots.
During 6 nations, France-Scotland matchs are allways some good time. France-England matchs...hum, hum.

Watching Braveheart really gives you good idea of how brutal the English treated the Scots.







;)

Curiously I always saw Scotland are more conservative than England itself.

So the Tories won only one constituency in Scotland?

And none at all in Wales and hardly any in big cities. They only do well in rural areas and small, rich suburban commuter towns in the South-East.

If you look at the major urban areas of London, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield, the North East, South Wales, Glasgow, they are almost totally red.

I want an independant England. The union is making me hate Scotland and Wales, and I dont want to hate them.

I want an independant England. The union is making me hate Scotland and Wales, and I dont want to hate them.

An independant England would mean an almost permanent Conservative government, I wouldn't want that. Purge the hatred from your heart AP, love your Celtic cousins!

Are Scotland and Wales less eurosceptic than England?

Are Scotland and Wales less eurosceptic than England?

I think so, many of the independance party voters and those in favour of devolution are obviously in favour of a federal system. Many people in Scotland and Wales also see an 'EU of the regions' as a way of escaping English dominance.

imo this is one of the reasons why Ireland has embraced the EU so wholeheartedly (as well as the huge subsidies!), they saw the EU as a way of lessening their economic dependence on the UK.

An independant England would mean an almost permanent Conservative government, I wouldn't want that. Purge the hatred from your heart AP, love your Celtic cousins!
Its not them I dont like lol (especially when im Irish lol), its their horrible, snidy, evil, sneering, racist, pc-surfing politicians :rant:

The only reason why Wales is less eurosceptic than England is because the EU pay for Wales to keep running! lol!

Are Scotland and Wales less eurosceptic than England?
Wales are still very much pro-euro. Scotland are pro-euro, but nowhere near as much as they used to be since they took it very personally when the EU classed kilts as being womenswear :lol:

Its not them I dont like lol (especially when im Irish lol), its their horrible, snidy, evil, sneering, racist, pc-surfing politicians :rant:


I have nothing against the Welsh. Though I don't like their Rugby supporters. The last match between the mighty Visigothic team of the Stade Toulousain and the savages of Cardiff ended in a horde of Celtic barbarians sacking our glorious Palladia Tolosa.

I have nothing against the Welsh. Though I don't like their Rugby supporter. The last match between the mighty Visigothic team of the Stade Toulousain and thoe savage of Cardiff ended in a horde of Celtic barbarians sacking our glorious Palladia Tolosa.
It gets worse too... some of them are willing to cut off their genitals if they beat Angleterre! :D

I have nothing against the Welsh. Though I don't like their Rugby supporters. The last match between the mighty Visigothic team of the Stade Toulousain and the savages of Cardiff ended in a horde of Celtic barbarians sacking our glorious Palladia Tolosa.

Cardiff is a very anglicised part of Wales ;)

Its not them I dont like lol (especially when im Irish lol), its their horrible, snidy, evil, sneering, racist, pc-surfing politicians :rant:

Sounds very similar to English politicians to me!

Scotland is not pro-eu by any stretch of the imagination, scotlands politicians are however. Exarchus scotland is more left wing than liberal.

Ine the welsh devolution vote it was only won by 6000 votes, the entire east side of wales voted against including Cardiff, the site of the welsh assembly.

The SNP have lost direction as it seems most scots now make the argument why have independence when we have control over our their own affairs anyway. I have heard a few voxpops saying that independence would just be expensive for not much gain.

I have nothing against the Welsh. Though I don't like their Rugby supporters. The last match between the mighty Visigothic team of the Stade Toulousain.
If you got Canal+, you should schwitch your tv on to see your "mighty visigoth team" vs Bourgoin. (6-22 at 77').

It is essential England becomes independant and gets its own parliment.

Total Spending Per Head, Per Year

Education & Training
England......Scotland......Wales......N.I.
..911...........1038...........970........1215

Health
England......Scotland......Wales......N.I.
..1085.........1262...........1186.......1214

Environment Protection
Social Protection
...98............200............168........184

Economic Development
England......Scotland......Wales......N.I.
..77............105............208.........328

Social Protection
England......Scotland......Wales......N.I.
..2337........2629...........2881.......2774

TOTAL (p.h., p.y)
England......Scotland......Wales......N.I.
..5453.........6579...........6479......7267

Well, why don't you create the England independance party?

Shropshire Guy/Barbarian Wannabe

An independant England would mean an almost permanent Conservative government,

Your self-hatred coming across, count the Labour Constituencies in England then count the Tory ones, even without the barbarians England would have a sizable Labour Majority. They're not nearly as liberal as you claim them to be, indeed the reason they vote Labour is because it benefits them to do so, not because of any ideological leanings.

Had it not been for Scots Votes, there would be no top-up fees and no foundation hospitals either. Whether that is a good or bad thing I'll leave up to you, - what is a bad thing is that on these English Only Policies the Scottish Ruling Class decided this policy against the will of the Elected Representatives of England - but both were indicative of how stupid your simplification of the politics of the two countries are.

I largely find most of your posts thought provoking and intelligent but on the issue of England and the other members of the union, you present it in a way that would make even Sinn Fein go "hey steady, this goes too far". You don't have to be Anti-English to be Progressive Jonesy.

Germanic Kinfolk,

Are Scotland and Wales less eurosceptic than England?

The Western Isles was the only constituency where a majority of the voters were against joining the EEC in the referendum when we entered in the seventies. Scoltand and Wales have traditionally been seen as more pro-EU, but some of this is changing, the breakaway Free Scotland Party and the Scottish Socialist Party are against the EU the former very much so.

Whore of Rome,

Well, why don't you create the England independance party?

There are already such parties fielding candidates in England. Check my link.

I also support an Independent Orkney and Shetland, these places have a Norse/Germanic Culture and are proud of it, they are welcome in the future GU.

Curiously I always saw Scotland are more conservative than England itself.

There's a big difference between being conservative, and being Conservative

Intelligent Pricemazda,

Scotland is not pro-eu by any stretch of the imagination, scotlands politicians are however. Exarchus scotland is more left wing than liberal.

Ine the welsh devolution vote it was only won by 6000 votes, the entire east side of wales voted against including Cardiff, the site of the welsh assembly.

The SNP have lost direction as it seems most scots now make the argument why have independence when we have control over our their own affairs anyway. I have heard a few voxpops saying that independence would just be expensive for not much gain.

Once again I agree with you. Particularly your first two sentences but the rest is largely true as well.

Interesting Snippet here (http://search.thetimes.co.uk/cgi-bin/ezk2srch?-aSTART#).

Lostboy is very poetic these days

I wish he'd drop his nasty dubbing of non-English Britons as "Barbarians" tho.

His name's Jones, he's a whore to Rome's (empire).

Jones? Damn you Lostboy, my name's more Germanic than your!

Oops, he was actually referring to Exarchus.

Oops, he was actually referring to Exarchus.


Who's Jones? (Plz don't answer: Mon cul!).

Where does Jones live?

Where does Jones live?


Shropshire?

I was expecting something along the lines of "Dans ton ____"

I was expecting something along the lines of "Dans ton ____"

Owned!

Shropshire Guy/Barbarian Wannabe

An independant England would mean an almost permanent Conservative government,

Your self-hatred coming across, count the Labour Constituencies in England then count the Tory ones, even without the barbarians England would have a sizable Labour Majority. They're not nearly as liberal as you claim them to be, indeed the reason they vote Labour is because it benefits them to do so, not because of any ideological leanings.

Had it not been for Scots Votes, there would be no top-up fees and no foundation hospitals either. Whether that is a good or bad thing I'll leave up to you, - what is a bad thing is that on these English Only Policies the Scottish Ruling Class decided this policy against the will of the Elected Representatives of England - but both were indicative of how stupid your simplification of the politics of the two countries are.

I largely find most of your posts thought provoking and intelligent but on the issue of England and the other members of the union, you present it in a way that would make even Sinn Fein go "hey steady, this goes too far". You don't have to be Anti-English to be Progressive Jonesy.

Germanic Kinfolk,

Are Scotland and Wales less eurosceptic than England?

The Western Isles was the only constituency where a majority of the voters were against joining the EEC in the referendum when we entered in the seventies. Scoltand and Wales have traditionally been seen as more pro-EU, but some of this is changing, the breakaway Free Scotland Party and the Scottish Socialist Party are against the EU the former very much so.

Whore of Rome,

Well, why don't you create the England independance party?

There are already such parties fielding candidates in England. Check my link.

I also support an Independent Orkney and Shetland, these places have a Norse/Germanic Culture and are proud of it, they are welcome in the future GU.

Curiously I always saw Scotland are more conservative than England itself.

There's a big difference between being conservative, and being Conservative

Intelligent Pricemazda,

Scotland is not pro-eu by any stretch of the imagination, scotlands politicians are however. Exarchus scotland is more left wing than liberal.

Ine the welsh devolution vote it was only won by 6000 votes, the entire east side of wales voted against including Cardiff, the site of the welsh assembly.

The SNP have lost direction as it seems most scots now make the argument why have independence when we have control over our their own affairs anyway. I have heard a few voxpops saying that independence would just be expensive for not much gain.

Once again I agree with you. Particularly your first two sentences but the rest is largely true as well.

Interesting Snippet here (http://search.thetimes.co.uk/cgi-bin/ezk2srch?-aSTART#).

The link isn't working im afraid. BUt I am always glad to to be agreed with.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think Lostboy vastly exagerates the difference between Scotland and England and the Orkneys being more nrdic than Scotish. Maybe once but not anymore. They even get married in Kilts these days, which as you know is a scottish not Norwegian thing.

I think the difference is almost entirely in accent alone.

Edit: Further I'll add that in Orkney almost 15% of people were born in England. ~85% in Scotland. I would presume that a if the English population is anything to go buy and my experiance that of those 85% greater than 15% would come from scotland not orkney.

Where does Jones live?

I was expecting something along the lines of "Dans ton ____"

Non merci, I don't want to live in anyones cul. :no:

Shropshire Guy/Barbarian Wannabe

An independant England would mean an almost permanent Conservative government,

Your self-hatred coming across, count the Labour Constituencies in England then count the Tory ones, even without the barbarians England would have a sizable Labour Majority. They're not nearly as liberal as you claim them to be, indeed the reason they vote Labour is because it benefits them to do so, not because of any ideological leanings.

Had it not been for Scots Votes, there would be no top-up fees and no foundation hospitals either. Whether that is a good or bad thing I'll leave up to you, - what is a bad thing is that on these English Only Policies the Scottish Ruling Class decided this policy against the will of the Elected Representatives of England - but both were indicative of how stupid your simplification of the politics of the two countries are.

I largely find most of your posts thought provoking and intelligent but on the issue of England and the other members of the union, you present it in a way that would make even Sinn Fein go "hey steady, this goes too far". You don't have to be Anti-English to be Progressive Jonesy.

Except for 1997 and 2001when would a party other than the Tories have last won a general election without the help of 'The Evil Ones'?

I totally agree with your stance on the West-Lothian question although I think that simply not letting MPs vote on issues that don't affect their constituencies would be simpler and more cost-effective than an English parliament which would do little to bring government closer to the people (unlike some form of regional assemblies which I would prefer).

I don't really think that any of my opinions are as extreme as you make out, some people (not me of course;) ) might even say that your opinions were slightly on the extreme side, ie calling Welsh and Scottish 'barbarians' :ohno:

They don't even sound like barbarians to me. I thought barbarians were so named as when they spoke it sounded like they were saying "baa". Something along those lines.

Of course that could explain why he referes to the Welsh as barbarians. He could be getting confused with sheep ;)

Shropshire Guy/Barbarian Wannabe



Germanic Kinfolk,



Whore of Rome,



Intelligent Pricemazda,



What am I?!? What am I?!? :D

I have always thought the current devolution problems would only lead to westminster becoming an english parliament unless we adopt a federal system including england. BUt no government is ever going to propose that as they would lose so much power.

The more Britain splits up the less influence we will have as I believe the some of the parts will be less than the whole together.

GOOD! Lets be like Switzerland and do nothing!

What am I?!? What am I?!? :D

You're gay, aren't you?

i'll leave the honors to Lostboy. Thank you anyways. :)

They don't even sound like barbarians to me. I thought barbarians were so named as when they spoke it sounded like they were saying "baa". Something along those lines.

Of course that could explain why he referes to the Welsh as barbarians. He could be getting confused with sheep ;)


I always though barbarians pronounced a C like a K. Like Celt being pronounced Kelt.

I hope though they disapeared.

I always though barbarians pronounced a C like a K. Like Celt being pronounced Kelt.

I hope though they disapeared.

Like 'Café' or 'construit' ?

Fais pas con, hein? ;)

Fais pas con, hein? ;)


Fait pas con.

Ou alors tu parles de moi et le sujet est necessaire.

@Jones

I'll have my revenge.

The more Britain splits up the less influence we will have as I believe the some of the parts will be less than the whole together.

Totally agree, we are at our best when we work together. As a United Kingdom, the countries within it have done pretty well as have most of the people, so why try and break it up for the sake of it.

Scotland will never become independant. There are not enough people up in the hills - which is where all the snp votes come from. Glasgow and Edinburgh are very British from the architecture to the people. I expect a lot of English people are pretty dissapointed when they find out that we 'barbarians' are pretty much the same as them. Same humour, same sarcasm, same drinking/pub culture etc etc. No morris dancing though - that's too poofy for us

Fait pas con.

Ou alors tu parles de moi et le sujet est necessaire.

@Jones

I'll have my revenge.

HA HA HA HA, you certainly connais your own language. :D

Scotland will never become independant. There are not enough people up in the hills - which is where all the snp votes come from. Glasgow and Edinburgh are very British from the architecture to the people. I expect a lot of English people are pretty dissapointed when they find out that we 'barbarians' are pretty much the same as them. Same humour, same sarcasm, same drinking/pub culture etc etc. No morris dancing though - that's too poofy for us

That's good to hear Be_Happy,

if it's any help, I don't know if it is but I actively support the Scottish Cricket team when they play any of the English counties.

For those that are interested, Cricket Scotland has just recieved a load of cash from Sport Scotland and will hopefully make the Cricket world cup this year - I really hope they do.

Ou alors tu parles de moi et le sujet est necessaire.
ne fais pas con à Exxy hein?

I'll be watching Scotland - Australia :D and I'll support Scotland
... but know better

Totally agree, we are at our best when we work together. As a United Kingdom, the countries within it have done pretty well as have most of the people, so why try and break it up for the sake of it.

Well said. Believe it or not we're not that different and work well together as a union. I don't want an independent Scotland, Wales, England or N. Ireland.

Probably but at some stage this situation with one nation and 4 countries (with FIFA and UEFA) for example has to change. And you will have a bigger say in the EU as four seperate member states.

ne fais pas con à Exxy hein?

:sly: ????

:D
Anyway, should (le) Bretagne become part of Ireland?

if it's any help, I don't know if it is but I actively support the Scottish Cricket team when they play any of the English counties.

Well, you're the only person I know that supports the Scottish cricket team. I didn't even know one existed. Another thing - a LOT of people in Scotland openly support the English football team. The media however, tells a different, overly exagerated story. Not all Scots support which ever team England are playing. Some do, i'm not denying that, but it's just a bit of friendly rivalry. However, I would say a majority of Scots support the English team.

Probably but at some stage this situation with one nation and 4 countries (with FIFA and UEFA) for example has to change. And you will have a bigger say in the EU as four seperate member states.


I like to think of it as a smaller [AND BETTER] version of the USA. One country; four "states". It's quite a similar set-up. Also, I couldn't give a flying fart if the Scotland, Wales, N Ireland and England teams were merged into one. The team would be British by name, but English dominated and we Scots wouldn't get such a slagging.

Yes! England, Wales, Scotland and Ulster?

Are you suggesting that Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan cede from the Republic of Ireland?

Yes! England, Wales, Scotland and Ulster?

Are you suggesting that Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan cede from the Republic of Ireland?

No need to be a smart arse CharlieP, you know he means Northern Ireland.

Well, you're the only person I know that supports the Scottish cricket team. I didn't even know one existed. Another thing - a LOT of people in Scotland openly support the English football team. The media however, tells a different, overly exagerated story. Not all Scots support which ever team England are playing. Some do, i'm not denying that, but it's just a bit of friendly rivalry. However, I would say a majority of Scots support the English team.

Hi Be_Happy check out the following links:

www.scottishcricket.org

www.rampant-lion.co.uk


:cheers:

I wish he'd drop his nasty dubbing of non-English Britons as "Barbarians" tho.

I didn't realise it genuinely offended anyone, I thought most people knew that it was tongue in cheek rather than any real venom behind it, but you clearly dislike it, so I'll stop doing it, how could I say no to that cute squirrel?

What am I?!? What am I?!?

Slave of the Great Satan

oh, how sweet. :P

Zim, you're very kind. To be honest though, cricket is almost as boring as American Football. It's so flippin repetative. Even if I clicked those links, it wouldn't change my opinion.

I'm more the snowboarding, surfing type.

Zim, you're very kind. To be honest though, cricket is almost as boring as American Football.



This is fighting talk, mobilise the troops, we march on Be_Happy's house in Glasgow at first light tomorrow ;)

Only the British could invent a game that stops for lunch and tea and takes 5 days to find out the result.

Only the British could invent a game that stops for lunch and tea and takes 5 days to find out the result.

Hello pricemazda, nice to see you - hope you are revising hard.

Yes, I remember seeing a tee towel some where and it's about describing cricket to an American and it starts with when you are out you are in and when you in you are out etc.

I love Cricket, it usually attracts a nice/mad type of person to either play it or watch it. Plus it's great if you like been out doors or for alot of people spending a day drinking in the sun :)

I love the fact that it's like a common language between an Indian, Pakistani, Sri Lankan, Australian - just talk cricket to them and they soon open up.

I can see why people go to test matches, summer sun and lots of booze. But I prefer sitting in a park in london with friends and a BBQ. It seems that it may be less about the cricket and more about getting drunk.

I start major revision tomorrow! Argh!!!

An Interesting View by someone born in Wales but fed up with the immaturity of the Celtic Racism towards England,

The English have tried for almost 300 years to play down "Englishness" at the expense of "Britishness" in the hope that the Celts would buy in to the UK. They never have. English patriotism is hopelessly crippled in consequence. That's a shame because the English have a lot to be proud of - shall we politely say at least as much as the Irish, Welsh & Scots.

I have seen it from both sides - seen the pettiness and racism of which my fellow Welshmen are capable (to give the Scots a break for a moment). I have never "got it". I will not be required to hate my English mother for prehistoric ethnic differences, OK? It's just daft.

When the Bruce and Longshanks confronted each other in the cathedral, as portrayed in the film Braveheart, they spoke French. They were Norman noblemen engaged in a feudal dispute. Their portrayal as modern Scot and Englishman was a farce. They did not speak the languages of their vassals or give a toss about them or their national aspirations (if indeed, at that point, they had any aspirations beyond their next meal).

The film (great action movie) is historical claptrap, but everyone in Scotland went to see it at least once and it has had a powerful effect. A union that can be damaged by a trashy movie is not worth more effort to preserve.

Let me stress that I love Scotland. I visit regularly and love the Highlands and Islands. I have Scottish friends and I wish they didn't hate the English, but they do. England generally loves Scotland, but Scotland simply does not love her back and never will. Staying in a relationship like that is degrading for the unloved partner. It's time for a divorce. The kids are all grown up democracies, so we don't need to fight over them at least. B^)

But an English Parliament under a federal Westminster? No need. Such a waste of the money our people earn is not in our frugal nature. Westminster is ours and we should simply take it back.

The Welsh are culturally European.

But an English Parliament under a federal Westminster? No need. Such a waste of the money our people earn is not in our frugal nature. Westminster is ours and we should simply take it back.

You've not been on the revolution pills agains have you Lostboy ;)

When the Bruce and Longshanks confronted each other in the cathedral, as portrayed in the film Braveheart, they spoke French. They were Norman noblemen engaged in a feudal dispute. Their portrayal as modern Scot and Englishman was a farce. They did not speak the languages of their vassals or give a toss about them or their national aspirations (if indeed, at that point, they had any aspirations beyond their next meal).


Edward Longshanks wasn't Norman. He was Angevin, Anjou wasn't in Normandy, it was southwest of it (centered on Angers).

ZimF
_ I always explain cricket as 'baseball for smarter people' and the first american to mock the game I have yet to encounter.
Baseball evolved when silly batsmen in america became annoyed with being bowled out so often. they couldn't wait until a next match, so they came up with just a few throws and a silly hitting stance, they seem to be taking a dump. no roll of the wrists or a late cut over third man. just bam. barbaric. catching with gloves on, wetties!

The English have tried for almost 300 years to play down "Englishness" at the expense of "Britishness" in the hope that the Celts would buy in to the UK. They never have. English patriotism is hopelessly crippled in consequence. That's a shame because the English have a lot to be proud of - shall we politely say at least as much as the Irish, Welsh & Scots.

Gimme a break. I was down in essex and there were English flags everywhere. Like a scene from the US. Play down your Englishness my bahooky. You would never see anything like this in Scotland. Honestly ... *rolls eyes* Union Jacks are FAR more common up here than they are down there in my experience.

I have seen it from both sides - seen the pettiness and racism of which my fellow Welshmen are capable (to give the Scots a break for a moment). I have never "got it". I will not be required to hate my English mother for prehistoric ethnic differences, OK? It's just daft.

I think this "racism" is pretty much a four way thing. Everyone slags each other off. In my experience though, the Welsh are the worst. I met a Welsh family in Spain and they told me that whenever an English person annoyed them, they took the piss outta them in Welsh.

When the Bruce and Longshanks confronted each other in the cathedral, as portrayed in the film Braveheart, they spoke French. They were Norman noblemen engaged in a feudal dispute. Their portrayal as modern Scot and Englishman was a farce. They did not speak the languages of their vassals or give a toss about them or their national aspirations (if indeed, at that point, they had any aspirations beyond their next meal).

I think most Scots understand that this film is a load of tripe. It made the Scots look like idiots. The film portrays an unoganised, barbaric army with a slightly strange attachment to make-up. Slightly off the mark there wasn't it? The Scots were as well equipt as the English. William Wallace wasn't even a highlander. Pff, good fantasy film.

Let me stress that I love Scotland. I visit regularly and love the Highlands and Islands. I have Scottish friends and I wish they didn't hate the English, but they do. England generally loves Scotland, but Scotland simply does not love her back and never will. Staying in a relationship like that is degrading for the unloved partner. It's time for a divorce. The kids are all grown up democracies, so we don't need to fight over them at least. B^)

Do you call them barbarians too? They'll like that, won't they? Sometimes I tell my friends they are dirty tinky fuckers. They love it. Infact i'm glad I call them it. Brings us closer ... *rolls eyes even more*

Summary:
You're a bit of a twonk aren't you?

Objection!

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Objection to the word 'tripe'. 'Tripes' is much better than any Scottish dish. Scottish hold no right to use words like these.

Beurk, I hate tripes.

I think that any type of dissolution of any state in the EU does not really make any sense in an era of increasing integration.

Vive la France libre!

Objection to the word 'tripe'. 'Tripes' is much better than any Scottish dish. Scottish hold no right to use words like these.


What in the name of the wee man is tripe. I thought it was just a made up word. There is actually something called tripe?

Sounds slightly disgusting.

Just to clarify my last post other than the very top line, was not my opinion, I simply copied and pasted it, because I thought it was of interest, should have made that clearer.

What in the name of the wee man is tripe. I thought it was just a made up word. There is actually something called tripe?

Sounds slightly disgusting.

You're not really mistaken.
It's a dish, served in a bowl with a stew of stomach (ox, pig) and vegetables. Risky because it can become rather smelly! It hails from Normandy (Caen) I think, it's a poor man's dish.
That the word came to cover something like 'crap' does hint at the taste of some efforts.

http://ile-maurice.tripod.com/tripes.htm

tripe is also often refered to as stomach offle as well isn't it?

next time you pay a visit to a butchers, have a look for some white ruffled substance in the counter - that's the bovine stomach refered to as tripe.

I think you should stick together. It's better to be dominated a little bit by Westminster than to be dominated completely by Brussels.

I wish he'd drop his nasty dubbing of non-English Britons as "Barbarians" tho.

I didn't realise it genuinely offended anyone, I thought most people knew that it was tongue in cheek rather than any real venom behind it, but you clearly dislike it, so I'll stop doing it, how could I say no to that cute squirrel?

See, he's lovely really. A big softy.

No, its better together...

What do you think to my city? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=945044

Please answer me!:)

No, its better together...


Agreed :cheers:

WTF is with the bumping of archaic threads?!

Next we'll be seeing "Princess Diana is dead!"...

And WTF is Lostboy doing in Czech Republic? Lost for good?

I can only hope!

Oh yeah....note to the creator of the poll

Ulster is not a country, it's Northern Ireland. Unless you advocate the seizure of three counties which are currently part of Ireland and placing them under UK governance.



Not sure that'll play too well tbh...

i believe thanks to coastal erosion the UK is actually slowly dissolving. the question is not if but when...

WTF is with the bumping of archaic threads?!

Next we'll be seeing "Princess Diana is dead!"...

is she? That's news to me! I'm shocked.

I can only hope!

These threads have lost their lost without the guy. Just look at the other thread on the motto. What was a joke on that Germanic and Romance fetish Lostboy had is turned into some sad comedy.

it's still a relevant question :nuts: