Name: Burj Dubai
Location: SZR
Floors: 160+
Height: 800+ (maybe 950 or even 1000)
Use: Residential, COmmercial, Hotel
Construction Start: March 2004
Construction End: Late 2007 to 2008

part of a huge development including dubai mall (the world's largest), the residences (9 towers launched so far), the old town (low-rise arabic styled residential development)

every part has its own thread in our uae forum

official homepages:
burj dubai http://www.burjdubai.com
dubai mall: http://www.thedubaimall.com & http://www.dubaimall.info
the residences: http://www.theresidences.ae
the old town: http://www.theoldtown.ae


some renders:

burj dubai
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai2.jpg

the whole devlopment
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai + Residences.jpg

masterplan of the 1sqkm devlopment
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Masterplan.jpg

the old town
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Oldtown1.jpg

the residences
http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai Residences1.jpg

Emaar is the foremost property developer in the Region. Our bold vision is shown by the success of master-planned communities such as Dubai Marina, Emirates Living and Arabian Ranches. Today, people are living in Emaar properties, living their dreams, in a space of their own.

At Emaar lifestyle takes on new meaning with a sense of community, unparalleled services and attention to detail. Smart home design with state of the art technology is a feature of all Emaar properties.

Since inception Emaar has always been the innovator - pioneering free hold ownership and rent-to-own. Now, our vaunting ambition is forging again new ground with Burj Dubai – the tallest tower and largest shopping center in the world.

At Emaar, we never stop innovating and striving to improve. We embody the vision that has enabled people from all walks of life and all nationalities to share in Dubai's exceptional growth. Emaar is the Dubai of tomorrow. We shape the future with the boldest projects on the face of the earth.

http://www.emaar.com/new/index.html

Other old Threads in UAE forum that are around to do with this project

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=101420

will be makin a change to this thread as it the Burj Dubai is a Project
the tower is the Burg Dubai Tower
the Burj Dubai project has like 40 towers plus I have gotten the plans will scan this week

Dang. That is one huge project with 40 towers! :eek:

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/4/6314-emaar.jpg

found this picture here (http://www.ameinfo.com/news/Detailed/40036.html)

Broken ground Cool

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/26/1085461827831.html

sydney news local thanks

I just love the setbacks of the building. Unbeatable!

the more i look at it, the more i like it's design.;)

So i was at the site today and here are the offical Images of the construction Site
Huge fence all around the site whihc is over 1sq K
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/pf9b7f96b9d809ab11457a01cbe58da51/f819d49f.jpg

There see the cranes thats where the foundation was laided the large set in the center
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/pcf155aadc1ff1fdd2f288bb66674be94/f819d4a1.jpg

and closer ( there are 6 res towers off to the right that are part of the downtown )
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/p23a27157f2898cc2dce996dccafc1761/f819d4a4.jpg

and closer
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/p28809e6411e6a7ac3a26da98f414761e/f819d4ae.jpg

From the top of near by car park
you can see the size of the site for the entire complex
Burj Dubai Tower site is above the cluster of Trees
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/pc631a654689500a4552beb7e482bac86/f819d4a2.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid124/p7a7b0f4994933c0d1c5ccfd5ca2b7dcc/f819d4a0.jpg

while adding to this thread there are heaps of posters up around town for this Building as shown in this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=111826

Dinosaurs !! Waaaaaaaaaaaah :) look at all them cranes , man o man , glorious :)

I'm really excited about this project and I'm gonna continue watching it. The building is amazing looking already from the drawings. I can't wait to see it start going up.

You can see beautiful renderings of this @ http://www.emporis.com/en/il/pc/?id=182168&aid=8
:eek2:

Sure beats the hell out of the WTC redevelopment...

Images from projectdubai.com

http://www.projectdubai.com/buildings/bld13_1.jpg

http://www.projectdubai.com/buildings/bld13_2.jpg

http://www.projectdubai.com/buildings/bld13_3.jpg

nothing much to see there

Here's the old version http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38875000/jpg/_38875117_tower_body.jpg

booo !

don't like it at all!!! the final design is much better! boooo too!! :)

Another one of the old version

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1046064109482_2003/02/26/grollo_tower.jpg

this is the one that they were suposed to build in Australia

yep was said a few post ago

Contractors to think again as Burj Dubai gains floors

Contractors tendering for the Burj Dubai construction contract have confirmed that they have been asked to re-tender for what will be the world’s tallest tower. This action is said to have been taken because of a design revision.

Construction Week was told that the design revision involves a reduction of the spire structure on the top of the tower so that more floors of useable space can be accommodated.

The official reason for the change is still unclear, but it purports to increase the total leaseable area in the tower and so will improve Emaar’s return on investment, one of the contractors said. He was speaking on condition of anonymity.

Past experience in cities around the world has shown that high-rise construction is notoriously expensive and many question the financial viability of building super tall buildings, especially when there is an abundance of flat land to build on, as is the case in Dubai. However, Emaar Properties, the developer, believes that it will not only be financially viable, but also represents a major engineering feat to build to a height not yet attempted by mankind. It believes that the tower, complemented by surrounding structures, will make an attractive proposition for not only the developer and residents, but also bring tourism inflow to Dubai and the country.

“With the Burj Dubai, we are creating a new architectural benchmark for global property developers and contributing towards the growth of Dubai as a leading tourist destination,” says Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Emaar chairman in the company’s 2004 yearbook.

Emaar claims that Burj Dubai will not only be the tallest tower in the world, but “so much more.” It will combine residential and commercial units, hotel, entertainment and leisure outlets with open green spaces, water features, pedestrian boulevards, an ‘old town’ and one of the world’s largest shopping malls, which Emaar claims, will make the complex a successful project.

In June, Construction Week reported that the original drawings that went out as part of the tender documents showed that the tower would be 704.9 m, making it the world’s tallest by a considerable margin. Since then rumours have suggested that the tower may well end up even taller, with some citing 810 m as the final height. Emaar has been understandably tight-lipped about the height of the proposed tower.

Although the new design change is significant, it is not yet certain whether it will affect the building’s final height. It is more likely that the revision will delay the award of the main contract. Contractors were hoping that an announcement would be made by the end of this month. The industry believes that that construction of the tower could still be on schedule. It was launched in February 2003 and is expected to be finished in 2007.

http://www.itp.net/business/news/details.php?id=13013&category=construction

So more floors more than 160 huge but wil this make the height more ?
hard to tell went there has been only limited release of information
wish they would hurry up make a statement and start all ready

I dont believe this will be over by 2007, no way

me to way to soon even for top out let out fit out by 2007

Cant wait to get there this Wednesday

The dreamworld of tallies in a desert

Dub and HK knockn em over.

this is strange! if it would be 810 there would be some 30 floors more: 190 :eek2:

i have my doubt with the completion in 2007!! just ground work right now! i suppose late 2008! hopefully with 810! ;)

I dont care when its going to be finished, finding out that its going to be built for sure is good enough for me because after that everything moves on very smoothly as is the case with all the projects in Dubai.

Dates are very important in places like Shanghai, Hong Kong, New York etc because they are hardly ever met. I think they should make it a little bit interesting in Dubai by intentially missing deadlines, something that could at least trigger some discussion over here, that's why publicity stunts were invented :tongue3:. Lol, I think that's the reason why all the other regional forums are a lot more active than Dubai's. See how much buzz the Shanghai WTC has stirred up because it was always being delayed and sometimes thought dead. Even the BD caused lotsa disputes when people werent very sure it was a real project. I know this has nothing to do with the topic, I was just noting my theory on why there arent many outsiders who visit the Dubai forums. There is a lot of everything going on here except problems :).

ahmedr, you're right! i also think it's more thrilling to miss deadline, give wrong info and keep stuff secret! it's also clever, as other countries don't know how high they'll have to build their world's tallest! ;)

it's just driving me and you crazy! :)

There will be partial occupation of the lower floors like the Armani Hotel before tower is topped out, remember the tower is 160 plus floors so there is pleanty of lower floors that can be fitted out and even occupied before completion. 2007 is very feasable but structual completion will be at least 2008 /2009

How can the lower floors be occupied before the completion of the whole building, never heard of it happening before and besides there's a reason why buildings are fenced out during construction, its hazardous! The fence is also to reserve space for materials, cranes and other activity. However, there are a few small buildings at the base of the BD (but are not part of it) which could be occupied before the total completion of the BD.

On the other hand, I think completion by 2007 is feasible if they start construction this year because this is more of a national project with full support granted by the government and all efforts are directed towards its fast completion as opposed to other projects by private investors which extend the deadlines just in case financial problems arise or something of the like. AFAIK, the Empire State Building took less than a year to finish and that was 70 years ago.

things like these seem to be normal. trances once said up tower had its first floors occupied before completion of tower
i think it's stupid
to complete this tower by 2007 it's only possible when working 24/7 and no pause at all
can you imagine how long it will take to finish the interior over 160 floors?

well why not move in people in the lower half once the tower gets off the ground work will be 500 meters over head ?
We may have a douths about 2007 but all than be done is wait some more

if i think about it once more it's not that bad. in 2007 it will at least be somewhere around 500m and i think from this height onwards it will be very thrilling to see how much more this tower will really rise if the height won't be official at that time.
i guess i can handle it to wait some more and enjoy the tower rising more and more!
all in all: we shouldn't care about date of completion so much ;)

I still cant imagine a tower being occupied before topping out? Wont it be fenced off and even when construction is at a very high altitude there will still be lots of machinery at the bottom blocking the entrance (or at least making a big mess infront of the entrance) Cranes have to be fitted all the way down in the ground you know. I dont know why this is really bothering me, but it is :). Trances, if you've really seen it at "The Tower" tell me how the problems I've just mentioned were overcome.

me neither, i don't want to live in a massive construction site
what will be in the lower floors? hotel, residence, office,...?
moving in office floors would make more sense to me than residential
when moving in before completion it means you will live in a site for at least a whole year

How can the lower floors be occupied before the completion of the whole building, never heard of it happening before and besides there's a reason why buildings are fenced out during construction, its hazardous! The fence is also to reserve space for materials, cranes and other activity. However, there are a few small buildings at the base of the BD (but are not part of it) which could be occupied before the total completion of the BD.

On the other hand, I think completion by 2007 is feasible if they start construction this year because this is more of a national project with full support granted by the government and all efforts are directed towards its fast completion as opposed to other projects by private investors which extend the deadlines just in case financial problems arise or something of the like. AFAIK, the Empire State Building took less than a year to finish and that was 70 years ago.
It happens all the time in Australia and the US, Its just a matter of planning the construction and occupation, A classic example is world tower in Sydney 235meters 75 story residentail tower. I went to visit friends who had moved into the 20th floor while they were still working on the 50th floor and up

I still cant imagine a tower being occupied before topping out? Wont it be fenced off and even when construction is at a very high altitude there will still be lots of machinery at the bottom blocking the entrance (or at least making a big mess infront of the entrance) Cranes have to be fitted all the way down in the ground you know. I dont know why this is really bothering me, but it is :). Trances, if you've really seen it at "The Tower" tell me how the problems I've just mentioned were overcome.
Its all about planning and contol, You dont need the entire base area to be occupied by the contractor. This tower will be linked to the mall whcih will be completed years before the main tower so there is your access straight away. The tower also shares a common basement carpark with the tower so there you have parking sorted out. You will also have seperate lifts serving different zones in the tower so the lower 30 floors will probably have dedicated lifts which can be opperational before the upper floor lifts are commisioned.

I guess you're right, it's just that all construction sites I've seen are always a mess until the whole thing is finished. But who would want to stay in a hotel room where he can see cranes moving around from the windows?

right, but it's normal
first thing opening in festival city is al badia golf course
first thing opened in arabian ranches was desert golf course
same about towers
it's all about money ;) nothing else

But who would want to stay in a hotel room where he can see cranes moving around from the windows?

yea... who would like to live in burj dubai while it is under construction... :|

who wouldn't!!! :D :D :D :D

yea... who would like to live in burj dubai while it is under construction... :|

who wouldn't!!! :D :D :D :D

you like it?
i don't think it's real fun to live there for normal people. for guys like us it won't be such a problem as we are construction freaks ;)
but after some time this huge construction site is bothering you. it will take some time till the whole complex will be finished

http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urllowres&blobheader=image%2Fjpg&blobkey=id&blobtable=CImage&blobwhere=1095658232154&cachecontrol=3%3A00%3A00+*%2F*%2F*&ssbinary=true

http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urllowres&blobheader=image%2Fjpg&blobkey=id&blobtable=CImage&blobwhere=1095658232161&cachecontrol=3%3A00%3A00+*%2F*%2F*&ssbinary=true

محمد بن راشد يدشن مشروع برج دبي المتكامل







دشن الفريق أول سمو الشيخ محمد بن راشد آل مكتوم ولي عهد دبي وزير الدفاع مساء أمس المرحلة الأولى من الأعمال الانشائية لبرج دبي الذي تنفذه شركة إعمار العقارية بتكلفة تصل الى نحو مليار دولار أميركي. وقد أعلن سمو الشيخ محمد بن راشد آل مكتوم في موقع المشروع المحاذي لشارع الشيخ زايد في دبي عن إطلاق العمل في هذا المشروع الحيوي الاستثماري العملاق الذي يضم برجاً يعد الأطول في العالم. وقال سموه مخاطباً ممثلي وسائل الإعلام والصحافة.




إننا في دولة الامارات لدينا طموحات كبيرة وأهداف محددة نرجو الله تعالى ان نتوصل إلى ما نصبو إليه مؤكداً أن دولتنا بقيادة صاحب السمو الشيخ زايد بن سلطان آل نهيان رئيس الدولة حفظه الله وأخيه صاحب السمو الشيخ مكتوم بن راشد آل مكتوم نائب رئيس الدولة رئيس مجلس الوزراء حاكم دبي ماضية قدماً في مسيرة التطوير الاقتصادي والنمو الاستثماري والسياحي والتقدم الاجتماعي.وأكد سمو ولي عهد دبي وزير الدفاع ان المستثمر ذكي ولديه المعرفة والخبرة ليقرر أين يستثمر أمواله ودبي خاصة ودولة الامارات عموماً تستطيع بالامتيازات والتسهيلات التي توفرها لهذا المستثمر استقطابه لأنه يعرف أنه يستثمر في بلد آمن يستطيع حماية الاستثمارات الخارجية في ظل قوانين مرنة معمول بها تحفظ للمستثمر أمواله وحقوقه وأمنه.


وأشار سموه إلى أن برج دبي الذي أعلن عن إطلاق العمل فيه يعد اضافة حضارية تثري حضارة دولتنا وتعزز مكانتها الاقليمية والدولية وسوف يصبح هذا البرج معلماً معمارياً فريداً من نوعه بعد إنجازه خلال ثلاثة أعوام.


وأضاف سموه في تصريحاته أن مشروع برج دبي الذي يضم المدينة القديمة ومركز التسوق العالمي سينضم إلى مشاريعنا العملاقة الأخرى التي تؤكد على تحقيق أهدافنا ورؤيتنا المستقبلية بما يحقق ازدهار وطننا وسعادة ورفاهية مواطنينا.


واعرب سموه في ختام تصريحاته عن سعادته وارتياحه لانطلاق الأعمال الانشائية في برج دبي في اليوم ذاته الذي انطلقت به رسمياً أعمال مركز دبي المالي العالمي حيث بدأت أمس أعمال عدد من كبريات الشركات المالية العالمية في المركز.


Thats shiekh mohammed bin rashind officialy announcing the start of BD construction and

it also mentions that S.Mohammed bin rashid is very glad due to the fact that both the Burj Dubai project and the DIFC kicked off at roughly the same time :cheers:

if you guys visit www.tradearabia.com

Under Building and Construction you will see the title " Burj Dubai set to rise"

But the odd thing is i cant enter it ?

its DUBAI

CEO of Emaar announced that for now the height is about 800 meter and the bases of the giant allow to have a 950 m tower.

www.alittihad.ae

OH MY GOODNESS!!!! :eek2: you MUST be kidding!

this thing is getting totally crazy!
this 800m, is it confirmed, just like the way gulfnews did with the 700m two months ago?
unfortunately can't read it. can you summarize it shortly please??!
just imagine this one going up to 900m! i'm losing my mind!!!!

:eek2:

Holy Shit! Thats like almost a kilometer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They want to beat the Enviromission tower here in Australia

when asked ( al abar , CEO OF EMAAR ) about the height of Burj Dubai he said the following :-

"The height of this tower is ever changing , but for now its at about 800 meters , but foundation work can withstand a 950 meters tall MONSTAAAAAAAA "

Well i added that last word in there ;)

and another interesting thing

The Dubai mall + Burj Dubai + Heritage village combined come at a cost of 9-10 billion derhamd

and the Burj Dubai is Due for completion in 50 months = 2 YEARS ;)

950 meters oh wow well that would beat out the pinnicale then for sure !
i just they woudl hurry up and start all ready
but with the high that seems to be growing each month from 560 -> seems to be worth the wait.
and am surethey would do what they can to minimise the impact of construction to people in the building. Are not the first 1/2 of floors going to be office any ways no residential ?

just wondering if there will be another announcement for a taller height once more? ;) what about 1km? :jk:

that would beat the pinnacle hard!
what will the number of floors be then, around 200 or even more

once again, construction within 2 years is so incredible. hopefully they don't do it too fast that it becomes a bad quality tower!!

Burj to boost Dubai: Mohammed


Dubai : General Shaikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence, said the Dh10 billion Burj Dubai project due to be completed in about three years was highly feasible, and that the new landmark would set the emirate firmly into positioning itself as a major international business and tourism hub.

"Such a project must be feasible," he told journalists last evening as he toured the Burj Dubai site. "It is a public shareholder company, and the investors are savvy enough to realise the potential of this project."

He noted the project is attracting considerable investor interest.

Shaikh Mohammad said as he witnessed the pouring of cement for the Burj Dubai, that he valued the vision of President His Highness Shaikh Zayed Bin Sultan Al Nahyan in supporting projects that would keep the country's eyes fixed on future prosperity for its citizens and residents alike. "We have accomplished only 10 per cent of the projects we intend to accomplish," he added. Mohammad Alabbar, chairman of Emaar Properties, which is building the project, said Burj Dubai, which will be the world's tallest building, will include the tower, a huge shopping mall and a Heritage City. "The tower and the mall will cost more than Dh7 billion, and the Heritage City more than Dh2 billion."

He said that a feasibility study projected an annualised 15 per cent rate of return on total investment. Alabbar revealed there was high demand from international and local business leaders for the prime property which will be built in central Dubai.

Demand is particularly heavy from Europe and East Asia. "At present, the tower is designed to be around 800 metres tall, but we can always push that up to 950 metres," he noted.

He said 50 per cent of the project will be offered to international firms, while the balance will be marketed locally. "The architecture is given to DP Company from Singapore," he added.

Alabbar said this was a momentous day for Dubai. "With its scale and magnitude, the Burj Dubai is set to change the face of the city forever. For Emaar, it represents the next stage of growth, and will be the base for our developments that will follow."

The pouring of the cement for Burj Dubai yesterday ends the first phase of the construction and marks the beginning of the next defining stage that will see the structure begin to rise over the Dubai skyline.

Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) are the architects and Turner International, the project and construction managers.


When I read this article this morning I was stunned :eek2: to hear that it could reach 950m. I mean if there is more competition of course! So let that competition roll in then we can surley expect it to reach close to a kilometer IN HEIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :master: :cheers1:
All i have to say to all the doubters of the burj dubai: ha we told u so :dance:
-R

:eek2: what the fuck????!!!!!!!!!!

Im ecstatic!!!! having an adrenalin rush!!!!! Good god!!!! I would love it if its 1 KM!! I still love it!!!!! No more words!! Just ecstatic!!!!!!

oh my taller and taller

and the Burj Dubai is Due for completion in 50 months = 2 YEARS ;)

Actually, 50 months is just over 4 years, which sounds more feasible. It means there's still plenty of time for more competiton to arise, and for the tower to get pushed higher, and higher, and higher! :D

For my 100th post, I though I would share this ground breaking news with the world:

:pepper: :banana: :carrot: :cucumber:
:dance:

The Burj Dubai's cement pouring ceremony was conducted yesterday afternoon!!!!

Well done mysterious Dubai Guys! You beat me to it. But I can go one up by providing a pic that appeared in todays papers:

http://face81.5u.com/burjdubai.jpg

In summary:

Final height: in the region of 800m - 950m
Date of completion: Approximately 3 years
Completion status: The tallest building in the World!!!!!! :eek2:

Go Dubai!!!! This is the best news of the Millennium!

-Face81
:jippo:

Actually, 50 months is just over 4 years, which sounds more feasible. It means there's still plenty of time for more competiton to arise, and for the tower to get pushed higher, and higher, and higher! :D

Damn you wont believe this , i though for a second there that a year had 24 months in it AHAHAHAHA :) my wrong

ok ?

:eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

to contribute to this news, here's the ameinfo article

Burj Dubai, up to 950m tall
Dubai Crown Prince General Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum yesterday witnessed the pouring of the first cement for the Burj Dubai, which will be the tallest building in the world. Officials said the height was presently 800m but could be raised to 950m. Completion is scheduled for three years, said His Highness, who noted considerable investor interest.

a couple of months ago it was said this beautiful monster will cost 1bn $, but

:no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:

USD2.5bn Burj Dubai complex
Emaar Properties will invest around USD2.5bn in the Burj Dubai skyscraper, shopping mall and Heritage City, said Chairman Mohammed Ali Alabbar yesterday. He said feasibility studies pointed to a 15 per cent return on the total investment with around half the project set to be marketed locally and half internationally.

sa boy - what will you edit on ss.com??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

you could write: somewhere between 800 and 950!

so this is offical words as the 705 was never offical is as a guess and just relased by construction weeks. Is this any more offical ?

i think the 705 was intentional. emaar wanted to keep it secret till the very end of construction, so it was clear it won't be the height.

now it either depends on investors how tall it will become or they're just doing it to confuse people even more.

I would suggest that SA boy edit it to be 1000m.....just to be on the safe side. :rofl:

-Face81
:jippo:

I am guessing its either that or they will push up the height depending on the competition from other WTB contenders.....namely the Pinnacle. However I do wish to point out that this is the first time Mohd. Al Abbar has been quoted as talking about the heigh of the Burj.

He said it would be around 800m, but the foundations will allow for a height of upto 950m. Now I dont think he is stupid enough to reveal such a classified piece of information at this very early stage. In my opinion, the fianl height will be 1000m.....that will easily fend of competition from anyone else. hahahaaha

Now all thats left to do is re-name that silly Doha Street that leads off Junction1 past the Dubai Mall. The Worlds largest Mall needs a much better street address, like the Burj Dubai Road or Dubai Road? :dunno: what do u lot think?

-Face81
:jippo:

This is great news!

I've heard there's been a significant change in the Burj Dubai's design to allow it to withstand the extra height, so i cant wait to see the new design. And that model in the pic posted by face81; someone's gotta find out where it is and get us some photos.

this thread is quite active lately, wonder why, any special reasons? :jk: ;)

significant change, hopefully not too much of a change. i really love the present design. maybe they just change the top a bit.

concerning what face said with the 1000m: i think the same, why should he announce the max height of this thing? that would be the most stupid thing in the world. i also guess 1km or even more. but however, 950m that would be more than i ever expected, i think i can get along with it! :lol:

NO, OF COURSE NOT!!! i want 1km!!! now that we are so close to it! ;)

would this mean also that burj dubai would be much wider? I mean if they want to make it taller they can't just add more floors to top, they also have make it wider to carry/support the weight, right?
in the skyscraperpage's burj dubai picture you can see quite large podium around the building & 2smaller "buildings", I wanted to test how high Burj Dubai would be if there weren't that flat area. so I made this picture:

I first draw lines from corners of burj dubai to get its shape right [green line]
then I resize lines to approximately so that there wouldn't be that podium [red line]
please note that resizing is made without changing aspect ratio, so the shape of building would be the same...

http://www.tp.spt.fi/~jukarkil/uae/burj_dubai.gif
hehehe :) :)
as you can see while there's only 1,5x more height the building looks like 3x bigger!
so, if they really going to add width & also move from 700 to 900? the building will look like two times bigger! :D :D

But I also hope that they won't get too greedy... :|

now look how tiny 705 is. nice comparison. but we don't know the measurements of the model. so it's hard to say if the base has to be wider. maybe the render already shows the dimensions of the 900m or whatever!?

There's no doubt this design is amazing, but its the worst among all the other proposed designs for this tower. I guess what I dont like about it is its width to height ratio, it looks so thin, thats all.

the base looks like it will be around 100m wide, but compared to this height it looks very thin indeed
just have to wait how it will look after first 10 floors completed or so and then we'll see how wide it will be

well guess this would increase the floor space by a large ammount as said

They will definitely need to increase the base size

don't know if they have to, as said wait for 10 floors to come up
i don't know for which height the burj dubai rendering was made? for the 560m or the 705m or even for 800m. so we don't know if there will be a widening
too late anyway as construction officially started yesterday

So who was awarded the contract?

thats what i was thinking every thing in secert

Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) are the architects and Turner International, the project and construction managers.

effect their share prices ?

something is going through my mind all day but i couldn't come to a conclusion:
they have been fooling us with the height twice, why shouldn't they do it again? you know i've been quite sceptic with a height taller than 705 but i have been proved wrong!
so:
confirming height at start of construction is stupid
maybe they build this thing 1000m or exactly 1001m!?

what do you think? i mean they are so close. if the tower could be 950m, why shouldn't they think about 1000? very very strange :weird:

1000m is that much of a mile stone to aim for ?

Any way All this talk is making what was once a plausible project sound, more and more like the fantasy of a madman !

I don't care how high the spire goes, the only person who can appreciate that view is the guy who changes the anti-collision light at the top. What I want to know is how high the top floor will be, and will there be an observation deck?

yes, there will be an observation deck at the top floor
concerning the height of highest floor: i think we'll have to wait some more months or years, as final height is still not known. it will be somewhere around 200 floors, so the roof top maybe is at 750m when the tower is a bit more than 800
just have to wait

If you check "The New Downtown" rendering, you can see that the Burj Dubai has a height ratio of 9 : 2 with the Residences nerby.

So if the Residences will be 180 m tall then even that old rendering shows Burj Dubai standing at least 800 m tall.

you sure the residences will be 180m?

I really don't know, neither the height nor the floor count, they seam tall. I was just making a asumption.

The Shangri La Hotel is 190+ meters tall and from the construction of the residences, it seams that they (at least the tallest) are at a comparable height.

w3, the tallest residential tower, is 41 floors, so maybe they are around 170m, shangri-la has 43 and 196m.

I think it will be taller than 800 mt., it has been announced that it will be minimum 800 meter hight today.

My experiance as a local from Dubai says that the building will be 1,200 meter. hight.

very optimistic, i have proposed 1000 or 1001
but 1200 seems to be too much

I think they are trying to do some exceptional and no one will be doing it for a while.

I have read an article that there will a tower in Japan which I think its hight will reach to 3000 meter for 1 million people live there.

but even if Dubai get beat can always be the Burj Dubai 2

yes, if there would be a second super-tall tower beating bd, there will one day be a third in dubai ;)

still with this one being 850 its going to be big big diff between it and the second tallest for dubai
will be almost 500 meters diff between the two
Not sure i like that

What abt the pinnacle?? if thats built the difference will only be 150 meters :)

I still say the height will be 1000m or more......just to keep the WTB title in Dubai for a few years to come. All this meticulous planning is surely being done to allow Dubai to hold on to that covetted WTB title for a good few years to come.

Just out of curiosity, I did an image search on google for Worlds Tallest Building and this image by SOM of some tower in Moscow came up. No Burj Dubai in the search results. :cry:

Whats all this about then?

http://www.gilgorski.com/media/Color_pencil/images/worlds_tallest.jpg

-Face81
:jippo:

It looks like a short one and I think it will be for a TV station.

Face81: if you want to find list of world's tallest buildnings I think that this forum is perfect for it (or to see candinates for WTB in future) :)

or this http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?1241105

ofcourse Burj Dubai is not currently world tallest but it is very likely to be WTB record holder soon... :)

that tower in picture is Russia Tower,
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=98126
it is approved and height is 648m and will be finished in 2010 (maybe...)

yep, this is russia tower, has been approved, but height is about to being shortened to 450 or something

the russia tower is still great and there are not really that many super talls so it adds out to them

When they will actually finallize the official height of the tower?, I'm sure the construction on the main tower-structure wont starts until the height is chosen...:(

construction has started 2 days ago. ground work already finished.
the height is finalized i think but the developers keep it secret and give lots of wrong info about the height

I think they already started long back as I saw more than one tower in one line has reached to the 30 floor, I thought it was the base.

what you have seen is the residences, comprising 6 towers close to completion.
burj dubai doesn't have any finished floor yet, they jsut finished ground work or preparation for the tower. day before yesterday sheikh mohammad has witnessed the pouring of the first cement.

More about it in the Construction week
Burj Dubai starts to move above ground

Work on the world’s tallest tower has begun to gather steam with a ceremony that marked the end of phase one and the start of the next phase. It was attended by General Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence. HRH witnessed the first pouring of cement for Burj Dubai that starts the building’s climb to a height of more than 800 m along Sheikh Zayed Road.

Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill is the architect and Turner International the project and construction manager. Later Sheikh Mohammed visited the Dubai Mall sales centre where he inspected a model of the development that is being built around the dominant tower.

The Burj Dubai will be the centrepiece of the retail and residential development and will take its place as one of the world’s modern landmark buildings, alongside the likes of the Empire State Building, Taipei 101, Malaysia’s Petronas Towers, Sears Tower and London’s Canary Wharf, according to Emaar chairman, Mohamed Alabbar.

Its mix of functional modernist surfaces and more decorative form contains abstract references to regional and cultural influences all in a 500-acre development.

so excited about how fast it will rise and when we can see the first floors coming out of the site

oh yes if i was still at my dull job would be able to see it across the road once it got past 20 or so
In fact there shall be quite a few good places to this one from
while they might try to keep up of the site there are still places
Like the Emirates Holiday Center Car park or the Dusit car park
I am sure these will be worth while by the time you get there Dubai Lover
as long as you have a little zoom

and it's not only how fast it will rise, it's also how wide the base will be. i think this gives you an impression of how tall the tower might be

the base is huge, I saw it from the top of the dusit and drove past it when i was on the site a few months back

How long a building can live, I wonder how they will demolish it when it gets old. I wonder how much will be the speed of the elevators.

elevators will be very fast. and they plan to install double-decker elevators

good to hear the base is huge ;)

I meant how much do expect the speed will be, is it 60 km/hour or 70 or 80

don't know, but i think 80km/h is a bit too fast

the lifts will be presuriused so you dont get "otistitus" the condition caused by poping of ears due to lifts being too fast. The sears tower takes 70 seconds to get to 103rd floor so that will give you an idea on time vs speed

the lifts will be presuriused so you dont get "otistitus" the condition caused by poping of ears due to lifts being too fast. The sears tower takes 70 seconds to get to 103rd floor so that will give you an idea on time vs speed

Burj Al Arab and Emirates towers have lifts which travel at sppeed up to 7 m/sec which translates to 25 Kph

yes thats what i think with these mega towers
what about redevelopment in like 60 years ?

yes thats what i think with these mega towers
what about redevelopment in like 60 years ?

there are tall towers in New York that are 75 - 80 years old.

yes but at this height its going to have to redeveloped at some stage
right i mean it cant last forever

I dont think in UAE a building can live more than 25 years due to UAE weather condition

i sort of agree i know times are changing
but there appears to no idea about building maintaince in dubai UAE

BTW: how many people are expected to be living in the tower.

hard to say, as you'll have office, residence, hotels in there. if it's booked out i'd say 25.000 people in there would be possible, if not more

I found this article which tell something about elevator speeds
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,599827-6,00.html
"to minimize commuting time, the elevators will zoom at 3,600 feet per minute."

3600feet/min = 1097,28m/min = 18m/s = 66km/h !
now that's a fast elevator! :cheers:

great, thanks for the link

very interesting report, also about how the tower withstands wind
and 66km/h is pretty fast.

at a height of 800m it takes you about 45s to go to top floor! wow! how might it feel when you go down?? strange feeling and then with the integrated air-pressure regulation

Interesting information thanks.

I wonder if it will have choppers runway on top for emergency evacuation.

well, this won't work. if it doesn't work on burj al arab at 250m how should it work in min 800m?
very unlikely

what you mean, helicopter landing zone won't work in burj al arab?
because of wind?

yes, there was only 1 chopper getting it done. pad is too small. and wind in the heigth of burj dubai's top will be quite strong

At least a flate place for residence to gather and a chopper to pick them up in case of emergency, the chopper does not need a place to come down it cam simply pickup people from the air.

What you guys think.

Last week I read an article about a swiss guy who invented a landing barashout from high rise towers.

they may have empty fire safety floors every 20/30 levels like thye do in ( what coutry )

Seems to me they just want to build projects like this in Dubai because they can? I can't really see the need for such a monster tower there? Then again, i've never been there, i don't know. Just my thoughts though.

yep and your allowed to express them and we are allowed not to care

yep and your allowed to express them and we are allowed not to care


hehehehe nice one :hilarious

sorry felt like being rude

sorry felt like being rude

naah i don't think so... u said the right thing in the right time :) :okay:

just sick of defending comments about project in Dubai that’s all.
We are Better of stopping posts at the door than trying to clear up all people with misinformation, no understanding, poor research, hearsay, jealous, complete void of insight and total lack of intelligence and inability to contribute to this so called society in the medium of a forum
:P

lol i can't agree more

yep its time to get on the ground floor with these issues and move on to real topics

I think need need a thread to inform people with facts, details, support and what driving dubai so we can just link to it as standard reply : see thread #121313

Seems to me they just want to build projects like this in Dubai because they can? I can't really see the need for such a monster tower there? Then again, i've never been there, i don't know. Just my thoughts though.


I agree, but trust me.....If me, if I am beable to build it interms of Financial and technology, I will defineitly build it rideaway no matter there is a demand or not....:D

By the way do anyone knows how many floors it will be.

how can we know when we don't have height
everything's a mystery

If we assumed it will be 800 meter, can we say it will have more than 150 floors

at that heigth it will have about 200

I bit we can see Al Ain, Abu Dhabi, Sharjah, Ajman & Ras Al Khaima from this hight.

I'm in no way jealous. I'm all pro development in whatever city it may be. I say go for it build higher and higher. I just had to question the need for such a massive building in Dubai where there are already so many huge towers being built. I didn't mean to upset anybody! Another thing i was going to ask, (don't shoot me down please!) how deep would the foundations for something so massive have to go? Because it seems to me it will be built in sand?!?!

construction is definitely tricky for this one, it can only have very deep foundations, but under the sand there is rock, sand rock to be exact

but i'm not a constructional engineer or whatever ;)

http://www.burjdubai.com/ www-site is up now

but where's all construction pictures? :cry:

yes, there was only 1 chopper getting it done. pad is too small. and wind in the heigth of burj dubai's top will be quite strong

Bet that one chopper was the one they used in that Emirates Airline tv ad

concerning uploaded website:
wake me up when something happens ;)
at least they started the site

I'm in no way jealous. I'm all pro development in whatever city it may be. I say go for it build higher and higher. I just had to question the need for such a massive building in Dubai where there are already so many huge towers being built. I didn't mean to upset anybody! Another thing i was going to ask, (don't shoot me down please!) how deep would the foundations for something so massive have to go? Because it seems to me it will be built in sand?!?!

It is somthing to attract tourists from all around the world. Also I think it will be a good business. Like if you were a business man living in Dubai you would have for sure bought an office in this tower or an appartment.

the middle levels of burj dubai now open for purchase and already 500 sold
so the 2nd part is running well
what is the middle level? 300 to 500m? :lol: :hilarious


Emaar sells 500 apartments in Burj Dubai Tower

DUBAI - Property Major Emaar has begun the sales of apartments in Burj Dubai Tower which will be the world's tallest building on completion in 2007, according to sources.


“The company has adopted a completely different approach to sales of Burj Dubai apartments by inviting potential buyers for exclusive viewing and direct sales. So far the company has sold more than 500 apartments in the Middle level,” the source said.

The going prices for these apartments are in the range of Dh2.9 million to Dh3.1 million. The rates are likely to go up as the response has been extremely positive, the source added. Emaar had sent out invitations to VIPs in the UAE late last month and the first round of visits and sales were organised earlier this week.

More of such exclusive viewing for VIPs are expected to take place during this month. The Burj Dubai Development will be a mixed-use community combining commercial, residential, entertainment shopping and leisure outlets with wide open green spaces and lakes.

In addition to the world's tallest development, the Burj Dubai development includes Dubai Mall, billed to be the world's largest shopping mall. According to initial estimates, Burj Dubai is expected to cost Dh4 billion and the Dubai Mall Dh2.6 billion.

The 500-acre Burj Dubai development which will encompass the Burj Dubai Tower will be larger than the down towns of New York or London. The entire neighbourhood will host more than 35,000 residents.

“The exclusivity of the Burj Dubai Tower and the most modern amenities offered are attracting a large number of wealthy individuals from the region and around the world to invest in Burj Dubai Tower apartments,” the source added.

Can someone change the height to >800 m in the first post?

updated the whole post #1

Has anyone got any construction pics on this lately or is it not worth it yet?

you won't see anything yet. just a massive base. have to wait till it comes up a few floors

i guess it's also hard to have a view on the tower site
maybe from dusit or one of the highrises at sheikh zayed road you can see it, but not much yet

There was a guy in Manchester (where i live) who got one of the crane drivers to get a few pics for him but that was on a project Manchester. Maybe one of you guys could get lucky with a construction worker who works on the site. Always a possiblty if its hard to get pics.

I think a camera with a zome will do the job if tried from Dusit Hotel or any building which are U/C next to Burj Dubai

residences 2 is just the left most 3 towers of residents 1 !

thats what i though glad you agree

you're right
the so called res 2 pic is just stretched and looks a bit different, but after a closer look it turns out it's a sequence of the whole residences 1 pic! ;)
will delete it

new burj dubai drawing at SSP http://www.skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?2063133
it looks totally different than previous, but still only 705m, they should update the height also...

nice drawing. looks much more massive now. so excited about final heigth

http://www.construction.com/NewsCenter/photoart/031124-13B.jpg

now this gives us at least an impression of how it might look like
such stuff is very rare ;)

a whopping new render
this is the stuff i love :)

Emaar presents Burj Dubai to global industry professionals in New York
The Burj Dubai, a dramatic testament to Dubai's faith in the future, will serve as a metaphor for chroniclers when the world's tallest building will be viewed and discussed by public officials, academics and industry professionals at the prestigious Urban Land Institute (ULI) Fall Meeting in New York.


http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/6/9836-emaar.jpg
An artist rendering of the Burj Dubai District which features the Burj Dubai, The Dubai Mall, the Old Town, The Boulevard, The Residences, parkland, lake and other marvellous elements within Emaar's iconic urban development next to Sheikh Zayed Road.

The event begins today and concludes on November 5, 2004.

Burj Dubai is part of the planned new urban development which also boasts the world's largest shopping and entertainment mall, and will be among landmark projects to be exhibited at the four-day event attracting 6,000 real estate professionals from all over the world.

Emaar Properties, globally acknowledged as one of the finest developers of lifestyle real estate in the Middle East region, has already begun construction of the Tower, which will be completed by 2008. Designed by Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM), the Burj Dubai Tower will cost approximately USD 1 billion. Turner International Construction are project and construction managers.

'Burj Dubai not just the world's tallest building, but represents a unique and harmonious partnership between the east and the west,' said Robert Booth, Executive Director, Emaar Properties who will address the ULI delegates at a special session on November 4 in New York. 'It is Emaar's crowning glory and we could not have had a better platform to introduce Burj Dubai to a more distinguished, international audience than in New York, the home of skyscrapers.

'As a planner and developer, I admire the ability of New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, to name perhaps a most famous few here in the US, to create unique urban environments with combinations of cultures, building types, and architectural styles unique in the world. Indeed skyscrapers have historically represented our quest for bettering our urban cores and have created some of the world's most desirable and admired places. The Burj Dubai will catapult Dubai into the same arena.

'The tower belongs to the whole world and will serve as a beacon to those who believe that success lies in daring to dream big. It is a symbol of Dubai's economic strength and aspirations of being the world's finest city that believes in safety, good governance and quality of life.'

The Burj Dubai celebrated a milestone in September with the completion of the first phase of construction, which was marked by an exclusive cement pouring ceremony witnessed by members of the Dubai Ruling Family.

The tower is part of the magnificent Burj Dubai District, which will be at the heart of Dubai's elegant Downtown. The development also comprises The Dubai Mall, the world's largest shopping and entertainment complex, The Boulevard a 3.5km stretch of exquisite architecture drawing on styles from around the world, The Residences' exclusive upscale apartments and the stylish antiquity of The Old Town. It also has a man-made lake and landscaped parks.

The Dubai Mall itself will be of a scale and size never seen before. It will contain the largest indoor gold Souk, a vast space for fashions, an indoor aquarium, an external artificial lake and an entertainment and retail facility around the water's edge. On completion, The Dubai Mall expects to attract nearly 35 million visitors in the first full year of business, with a continuing growth of 20 to 30 per cent a year. The estimates are that by 2010 the total tourist market in Dubai will have reached 15 million visitors, a three-fold increase over the current level of about 5 million tourists.

The Residences at Burj Dubai is a choice of exclusive towers built on the shores of a crystal blue lake. The lifestyle at The Residences is urban with all the amenities of a metropolitan centre, but with the comforts and security of an exclusive community. The Old Town, a pedestrianised mid and low-rise community, is more than just a trademark lifestyle community. It is Emaar's finest hour.

An annual event on the New York calendar, ULI Fall Meeting highlights includes a host of speaker sessions, council meetings, conferences, mobile workshops and project analysis sessions. Emaar is one of the senior leading sponsor of the prestigious real estate trade show.

just read that in ameinfo, what a great render but i wish it was bigger.

Here's the old version http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38875000/jpg/_38875117_tower_body.jpg


looks like the Grollo Tower

they should build one of that in Shanghai !!!!!!!!

giles has sent me the full size render
thank you man, you're great!!!!! :)

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai Aerial3.jpg

WOW! that is so awesome! :O

u/c photo
http://editorial.gettyimages.com/source/search/details_Pop.aspx?iid=51330975&cdi=0

great
this is the first photo i see
and you found it :)

On SSP the picture was called a fake, even the entire project was considered so ...

OMG! Foundation work already, this is great GO UAE! :D

hehe, they also say it's 810m, i don't believe this :D


Who is to build the Burj?

http://www.itp.net/pictures/news/Emaar-Big.jpg
Galadari with Tariq Baker of Dutco Group
Construction Week has learned that the main contractor for the world’s tallest tower has been finalised and that the announcement is to be made within the month.
It is likely to be a major local firm in joint venture with foreign partners.

Meanwhile, the main contractor for what is being positioned as the world’s largest shopping mall has taken up position at the site from 21st October.

After longer than anticipated evaluation process, the much-awaited Dhs2.7 billion Dubai Mall’s construction contract was awarded to the joint venture partnership of Dutco Balfour Beatty-Al Ghandi & Consolidated Contractors International Company (DBB/AG & CCC).

The industry is now expecting the award of the construction contract for the Burj Dubai that is proposed by developer Emaar Properties as not only the world’s tallest tower - but by far the tallest tower. Its nearest competitor, the Taipei 101 is 509 m while Burj Dubai is likely to be 300 m higher at around 810 m.

Work on Dubai Mall, which is one of the four elements of the Burj Dubai complex, has already started with piling works by Dutch Foundations being well advanced. These are scheduled to finish early next year, according to Emaar officials. The other main elements are the tower, the Residences and the Old Town, all clustered around a manmade lake.

Though the names of the shortlisted consortia were not made public, it is understood that Emaar had invited eight partnerships to bid for the Dubai Mall main construction contract. The industry was expecting the announcement of the contract for both the Dubai Mall and the Burj Dubai by the end of August. Dubai Mall is being positioned by developer Emaar as the world’s largest shopping mall.

Emaar said the contract to build the world’s largest retail development comprising 1.2 million m2 of gross space featuring 500 000 m2 of retail space, is worth Dhs2.7 billion. The project is to be completed by 2007.

Turner Construction International is Emaar’s project manager for The Dubai Mall. DPA Singapore is the mall’s architects while Meinhardt is the engineering consultant.

“Emaar has signed the joint venture partnership of DBB-AG & CCC to be their main contractors in the development of The Dubai Mall. Dutco Balfour Beatty has proved its merit on a number of our projects currently in various stages of development and we feel they have the capacity to deliver,” said Issam Galadari, Emaar properties executive director projects. “We will also shortly be nominating contractors for the Mall’s mechanical, electrical and plumbing works.”

The Burj Dubai development will incorporate, among other things the world’s tallest tower, the world’s largest retail development, a vast man-made lake, a distinctive landscaped park, a boulevard, an upscale residential complex, a seven-star boutique hotel and a town that takes residents back into the Arabia of old.

“This is no ordinary mall. There are design elements that will require great expertise. Our designers and engineers have ensured all factors flow in tandem with the overall design, look and feel of this unique mall which is indeed going to offer a lifestyle experience which goes beyond mere shopping,” Galadari added.

The Dubai Mall boasts many attractions including the world’s largest indoor Gold Souq, several food courts, Waterfront Atrium, Fountain Oasis, a dedicated high fashion area, Olympic sized ice-rink, The Aquarium and Kiddy Land.

Landscaped gardens and parklands with water features will add to the charm of the mall. In terms of convenience, some 15 000 parking spaces are planned. On completion, the mall hopes to attract 35 million visitors in the first full year of business, with a growth of 20% to 30% a year.

It will be the world's tallest tower for years and years its also way ahead of freedom tower whcih is at around 600 meters

freedom is a poor attempt
i dont mean to be hard but if aiming for world tallest you have to go over board

reading that now from itp
more mixed new 810

Ya i would aim higher, but i don't know if it was really intended to be the world's tallest structure, because at the time it was released, Seoul's Lotte tower proposal was already higher

by some aspects
but at least the states get a new tallest in NYC
Freedom Tower will alot of hearts that way
but sorry back to the Burj Dubai

I don't like the new rendering because the spire looks too tall, over 100m maybe
810m-100m=710m :|

is 810 official?

is 810 official?

nothing on this tower is official
neither heigth, nor floors
we have to wait till 2007

yep nothing is certain until it tops out !

website updated http://www.burjdubai.com

small detail which I noticed, in "The Tower" -> "Sky Living" (wait for 15sec) there's picture of elevator buttons? and the biggest number is 188 :) (I know that it doesn't have to mean anything but still...)

all I get is a flash presentation with the phone number at the end??

i see it 188 what an odd number to pick at random

website like this for almost 2 weeks now
well, at least website is under construction
but not very informative though

Haven't seen this render before (sorry if it has already been posted):

http://www.projectdubai.com/property/fixed/prj8_mainbig.jpg

website updated http://www.burjdubai.com

small detail which I noticed, in "The Tower" -> "Sky Living" (wait for 15sec) there's picture of elevator buttons? and the biggest number is 188 :) (I know that it doesn't have to mean anything but still...)

This number is signficant, especially among the Chinese. In Hong Kong, people are willing to pay millions of dollars just to bid for the car licence plate with the number "8" or "88" or "18". 188 is a very auspicious number for the Chinese - signifying prosperity.

If you look at the orginal key data of 800m comprising 160 storeys, it translates into 5m per floor. So, 188 floors @ 5m per floor translate into 940m. Thrown in a 2/3 storey penthouse at the top and you will get total floor height of 950m which was mentioned in one of the press releases. Thrown in a spire and you can easily exceed the 1000m mark.

Well, I can see 189...;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/bdb0.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/bdb.jpg

There wont be place for helicopterpad on the higher gounds?

I would figure this just based to that pic

I really don't care whether it is 700, 750, or 800 meters. I just want work to get going now. First, so we can finally find out the real height (BTW when they do release the final height, I will start working on a model of BD for the "My Skyline" section).

Second, I don't want the Freedom Tower to be titled WTB for one day. Not a single day. I want BD to rise above the FT's cheap, transparent, cheat, long before FT tops out.

well, the final height will be announced during the last phases of construction. so it may take another 3 years
i know it's hard and it drives everybody crazy, but this is what keeps it thrilling till the very end :)

dont think it will have a helipad to far up on it

agree
it doesn't even work on burj al arab!

well, the final height will be announced during the last phases of construction. so it may take another 3 years
i know it's hard and it drives everybody crazy, but this is what keeps it thrilling till the very end :)

Thrilling my @$$! This is annoying! No one is going to touch 2,300ft for a decade at the soonest!

Besides, anyone who looks between the lines will realise it will be 705m, but because no one will confirm it, I'm not about to spend 10 hours designing and building a model just to be forced to throw it out when the developer's change it.

It happened with the Freedom Tower, it won't happen again.
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/8161/ft001.jpg

What a waste of time this was.

It happened with the Freedom Tower, it won't happen again.
http://img75.exs.cx/img75/8161/ft001.jpg

What a waste of time this was.

awww.. My condolences. :weirdo:

i cant see how they can possibly build faster in new york than in dubai, if dubai could only do one thing it would be building things faster than the rest of the world!

Well, I can see 189...;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/chady/bdb0.jpg

Still fits my speculation - 950m. The floor-to-floor height is likely to be 5m (160Fs at 800m). 189 x5 = 945m. The 189th floor being two-storey penthouses at 10m instead of 5m and you get a neat 950m. Anyway, just speculations ...

awww.. My condolences. :weirdo:

I thank you for your back-handed sympathy.

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/1407/PM_BURJDUBAI.jpg

eh some one translate

i didn't learn spanish, but i can derive some words from french and german

it says the final height will be a secret till completion
the descriptions are just old news, stuff we already know

i can exchange some of my spanish and french expertise with your german to help me be fluent (started 2 months ago). Well the article says this (not exact wording):

It was wanted to maintain in secret the height of this giant to reveal it as the world's tallest when it finished; nevertheless, its dimensions remain short when seeing the existing projects that exceed 1000 meters of height.

I have no idea which projects they mean cause they don't exist, probably the visions.

nevertheless, its dimensions remain short when seeing the existing projects that exceed 1000 meters of height.

I have no idea which projects they mean cause they don't exist, probably the visions.

yes, this is pure non-sense. these visions of bionic tower and x-seed in china will maybe be possible in 15-20 years and then there will be other visions.
do you really think they will build bionic tower in 10 years when the plans are 5 years old? no, never!

how can they state that burj dubai's dimensions remain short? :wtf:
you always have to compare things like these with today's reality! (taipei 101, sifc, freedom tower, petronas towers,...)

well some people need to face reality cause this building will be a breakthrough in construction history.

well some people need to face reality cause this building will be a breakthrough in construction history.

correct, and many professionals said that this project of 705m construction-wise was almost impossible. and now it is said to be over 800m.

i myself only accept approved projects and not all this visional stuff that mostly turn out to be mere pipe dreams!

Skidmore, Owings and Merrill (SOM), the architectural company behind Burj Dubai, is to highlight the benefits of 'Supertall' buildings during the Cityscape event, opening in Dubai tomorrow.

The number of skyscrapers are also set to increase in the dramatically in the Middle East as prestigious projects such as the Burj Dubai capture the public's imagination, the company said.

The company believes the region is a prime location for more skyscrapers due to the availability of land, stable geology, and strong financial backing for such developments.

Adrian Smith, consulting design partner for SOM and the designer of the Burj Dubai, will be a key speaker on super tall structures at Cityscape.

He will present a case study on the design and engineering of the Burj Dubai as well as what the future holds for the design of tall structures.

The Cityscape event, organised by IIR, will take place at Dubai World Trade Centre complex until Wednesday.

'The Middle East is turning to building supertall buildings as they help to resolve much needed office and accommodation shortages, and serve as a widely recognizable icon of their city and country,' said Adrian Smith.

'We are now witnessing strong interest from many countries across the region who want to develop their own iconic buildings as an impetus for future building growth and economic development,' added Smith, who will be speaking about supertall structures at the Cityscape conference - the premier property investment and development event - taking place later this month in Dubai.

The Burj Dubai will be the world's tallest building and will reflect Dubai's status as a major international business and tourism hub.

The height of the tower, while still undisclosed, will exceed 610 metres and will be significantly taller than any building that is completed or currently under construction.

Smith has designed some of the world's most famous construction projects, including the Jin Mao Tower in Shanghai, China's tallest building, and the Tower Palace III in Seoul, South Korea, the world's tallest residential building.

'The Burj Dubai will catapult both Dubai and the UAE onto the world stage,' said IIR conference director Shabnam Rawal.

'Adrian Smith is an expert in the field, having worked on two of the world's five tallest structures, and delegates at Cityscape will be able to hear his insights on superstructures and the exciting plans for Burj Dubai.'

Smith is just one of over 70 speakers at the Cityscape 2004 Conference - the region's premier property investment and development event - taking place at Dubai World Trade Centre.

Running alongside this world-class conference is the Cityscape 2004 exhibition, which this year will attract more than 5,000 leading international figures from the real estate industry.

Cityscape is a networking event that attracts regional and international architects, property development professionals and global institutional investors to an annual showcase that celebrates the very best in Commercial Architecture, Property Design and Development.

The event as a whole attracts major investors from the international arena, looking for new projects and opportunities for development.-

Im going to this and cant wait to hear all about the burj from Adrian Smith

cool
i'm sure there will be loads of new info on many projects

So you're going tomorrow, SA Boy?

Cityscape 2004 Conference - the region's premier property investment and development event - taking place at Dubai World Trade Centre.

Running alongside this world-class conference is the Cityscape 2004 exhibition, which this year will attract more than 5,000 leading international figures from the real estate industry.


My management professor will be at this event, I told him to take a lot of pictures. :D

going tonight or tomorrow night , havent decided yet

Still fits my speculation - 950m. The floor-to-floor height is likely to be 5m (160Fs at 800m). 189 x5 = 945m. The 189th floor being two-storey penthouses at 10m instead of 5m and you get a neat 950m. Anyway, just speculations ...

If this turns out to be correct, then the tower would become about 1150m. The antenna is at least 200m if the tower is 950m. But i still hardly belive the tower will reach 900m.

Dr. Mahatir Mohamad, the former prime minister of Malaysia, visited Emaar Properties' Burj Dubai Development on Tuesday morning and was briefed on the progress of Emaar's iconic urban development, which includes the world's tallest tower, the Burj Dubai.



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Dr. Mahatir Mohamad at the Burj Dubai Development.

Dr. Mahatir is on a private visit to Dubai.

Dr. Mahatir was accompanied by Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Chairman of Emaar Properties who led the high profile visitor through the innovative Burj Dubai Presentation Centre which houses the scaled model of the tower, a model apartment, and a simulation of what the views will be like from the upper reaches of the Burj Dubai.

Dr. Mahatir also visited The Old Town Sales Centre and The Dubai Mall Leasing Centre.

Dr. Mahatir, who stepped down as Malaysia's premier after 22 years in power was later given a presentation on various Emaar projects including the Arabian Ranches and Dubai Marina.

Kaz, make sure you post your management professor's pics, it seems this year's cityscape is probably the most interesting cityscape ever.

Thats Looks awsome.

If this turns out to be correct, then the tower would become about 1150m. The antenna is at least 200m if the tower is 950m. But i still hardly belive the tower will reach 900m.
The antenna would be closer to 100m than 200m; the latter would look outright obnoxious. These estimates bank on the 5m floor-to-floor estimate. What if it is 4.5m instead?

^Those estimates are also based on the assumption that 189 will be the top floor. Since large buildings need large amounts of Mechanical space (The Sears Tower has 6 mechanical floors above the 103rd floor observation deck) I'd guess 195-200 floors would be the real total, assuming the top inhabited floor is around 190.

195*3.50m=682m=2,233ft
195*3.75m=731m=2,393ft
195*4.00m=780m=2,552ft
195*4.25m=828m=2,711ft
195*4.50m=878m=2,871ft
200*3.50m=700m=2,290ft
200*3.75m=750m=2,454ft
200*4.00m=800m=2,618ft
200*4.25m=850m=2,781ft
200*4.50m=900m=2,944ft

The Sears Tower has 4.1m per floor, while Petronas has around 4.8m, roughly subtracting the spire from its height. That would give a 200-floor Burj a 820m to 960m range, spire not included. Considering Petronas, BD's spire may well be included in final building height.

^Petronas is 4m floor to floor. The floors stop long before the roof in Petronas. This is also backed up in Jin Mao, also at 4m even for office floors. However, 4m still may be too high since this will be largely residential, that's why I gave a larger range.

Either way, it certainly won't be 5m floor to floor.

How much space atop Petronas does the spire take up? I subtracted 50m and thought that was ample. :p

The Petronas spire is around 70-75m.

I see. Petronas is a better comparison for BD since both are tapered; I wouldn't be surprised if habitable floors stop long before the top in the BD too. If top levels are used for mechanical equipment, that's a lot of floors - the Sears Tower's 6 mechanical floors are much larger in area.

a model of the tower
taken by giles :)
hehe, it's too long for the camera

http://www.ayuplanet.com/dxblover/Burj Dubai/Burj Dubai Model.jpg

cool !

i would pay thousands to have that model in my room

Its very realistic but I was expecting the Burj to be a little 'fatter' than this. So now we know the final design!

My guess is that it will be 705m to roof and an even 200 floors at 3.5 metres floor to floor. Residential towers range between 2.7 and 3.5 metres per floor so it definately won't be 4 metres floor to floor. The spire will be 100-200 metres so a total height 805m-905m.

jesus!! 700m+ :) and i thought Eureka at approx. 260m was massive!!!

260m for Eureka little off there

nah i meant current height i know final height is 297m and 300m above sea level :)

Emaar Properties today announced that Samsung Corporation, the Korean group, has been appointed the main contractor for its iconic Burj Dubai tower.

http://www.ameinfo.com/images/news/4/10484-Burj.jpg
Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Chairman Emaar Properties and Kim Kye Ho, Executive Vice President Samsung Corporation shake hands following the announcement of the contract to build the Burj Dubai.

The signature concrete and steel tower is set to become the tallest structure in the world and will be the centerpiece of Emaar's prestigious Downtown Dubai development.

The Burj Dubai tower is part of the US$8 billion 500-acre Downtown Dubai Development, which on completion will become the Middle East's finest urban development in terms of design and lifestyle.

The contract was awarded to Samsung following an 11-month bidding process that began earlier this year and involved tender bids from major global contractors.

The excavating, piling work and raft foundation for this global architectural landmark has been completed and construction of the Tower from ground up will now be taken up by Samsung, a huge step forward in the progress of the building. Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) designed the Tower and Turner Construction International is the project and construction manager.

Samsung Corporation has been involved in the construction of numerous high-rise structures around the world and Samsung Group, its parent company, is the Fortune ranked 14th largest company in the world.

Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Chairman of Emaar Properties, said: 'Samsung Corporation has been awarded this contract because it matches Emaar's global quality standards and processes which have become benchmarks for real estate developers around the world. The company has an impeccable reputation and unrivalled expertise in constructing tall towers.

'Samsung Corporation's appointment is a defining moment and the Tower is set to rise and change the face of Dubai. The Tower represents the next stage of growth for Emaar and will be the basis for future developments and act as signpost for the ambitions of the region.'

A formal ceremony was held on the Burj Dubai site on September 20, 2004 when the concrete pouring operation for the Tower's raft foundation was witnessed by His Highness General Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Crown Prince of Dubai and UAE Minister of Defence.

The Tower will combine residential and commercial space, and will include a boutique hotel, recreational facilities, serviced residences, apartments and an observatory. Its unique mix of functional modernist surfaces and decorative form contains abstract references to regional and cultural influences. The Tower's base rises upward in a series of steps, providing a graceful transition as the structure ascends.

The Tower is composed of three elements arranged around a central core. As it rises from the flat desert base, each element is set back in an upward-spiraling helical pattern, decreasing the mass of the tower as it reaches toward the sky and thereby decreasing the wind effects.

A high performance exterior cladding system will be employed to withstand the extreme temperatures during Dubai's summer months. Primary materials include reflective glazing, aluminum and textured stainless steel panels and vertical stainless tubular fins accentuating the height and slenderness of the Tower.

The Burj Dubai and The Dubai Mall are part of the Middle East region's finest urban development, the Burj Dubai District. Located within the 500-acre development, the two awe inspiring buildings are surrounded by lakes and landscaped gardens; The Boulevard, a 3.5km long parade bordered by buildings that draw on a range of styles from around the world; The Residences' exclusive up-market apartments; and the stylish antiquity of The Old Town.

finally something serious happening about our beloved one

The Burj Dubai project is supposed to cost 8 billion dollars in total. 1 billion is for the tower and 7 billion is for the mall, Residences, and Old Town?

I think I read the figure 2.75 billion somewhere. Is that the real cost for the tower?

Maybe the artificial lake is costing a lot....

My guess is that it will be 705m to roof and an even 200 floors at 3.5 metres floor to floor. Residential towers range between 2.7 and 3.5 metres per floor so it definately won't be 4 metres floor to floor. The spire will be 100-200 metres so a total height 805m-905m.

That's pretty much what I've been thinking, but due to developers like Donald Trump, full office-height ceilings have been in vogue here in the states. Therfore, I can't count it out here.

The Burj Dubai project is supposed to cost 8 billion dollars in total. 1 billion is for the tower and 7 billion is for the mall, Residences, and Old Town?

I think I read the figure 2.75 billion somewhere. Is that the real cost for the tower?

Maybe the artificial lake is costing a lot....

The 2.75 would probably be a better figure. Emaar, SOM, Turner and all the rest are going where no one has built before. There will be problems, thus there will be cost overruns. It's happened with every WTB except ESB, which was able to take advantage of low-labor costs in the wake of the Great Depression to counter overruns.

Samsung Gets World's Tallest Building



A Samsung Corp.-led consortium won a bid to build the tallest skyscraper in Dubai, said the company on Thursday.
At a press conference at the Hotel Shilla, central Seoul, the trading and construction company said it won a contract from the UAE-based real estate developer Emaar Properties to be the main contractor of the iconic Burj Dubai tower.

Samsung Corp. teamed up with Belgium's Besix and UAE’s Arabtec to outbid seven other consortia.

Samsung said it won the construction project to build the highest building in the world for $880 million. The height of the building was not released during press conference since it is the policy to keep the exact height unveiled for the time being.

Emaar also released the announcement of awarding Burj Dubai Project to Samsung last night from Dubai.

Mohamed Ali Alabbar, Chairman of Emaar Properties, said: “Samsung Corporation has been awarded this contract because it matches Emaar's global quality standards and processes which have become benchmarks for real estate developers around the world. The company has an impeccable reputation and unrivalled expertise in constructing tall towers. Samsung Corporation's appointment is a defining moment and the Tower is set to rise and change the face of Dubai. The Tower represents the next stage of growth for Emaar and will be the basis for future developments and act as signpost for the ambitions of the region.”

Samsung is The Burj Dubai Tower, which will be the tallest manmade structure in the world, is part of the UAE’s $8 billion 500-acre Downtown Dubai Development project.

The Burj Dubai Tower will have a total floor area of about 460,000 square meters.

Ground will be broken next month for completion by November 2008. The Burj Dubai Tower will include a luxury hotel, apartments, offices.

Once completed, The Burj Dubai Tower will become the highest tower in the world, surpassing the current 101-story Taipei Financial Center, which is 509 meters in height.

Chicago-based Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM) designed the Tower and Turner Construction International is the project and construction manager.

Samsung Corp. has been involved in the construction of numerous high-rise structures around the world, including one of the Petronas Twin Towers (452 meters) in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, and Tower Palace in Seoul.

`Samsung Corp. gained vantage ground in the world skyscraper construction market, which is forecast to grow to $40 billion by 2010, by winning the bid in Dubai. We expect to win more high-rise building construction contracts in the Middle Eastern construction market,’’ said Lee Sang-dae president and CEO of Samsung Corp.’s engineering and construction division.

/ Hankooki.com


12-10-2004 17:08

man, this is old news :)

:) i no but i couldn't post them up because of that "working on server maintanence" thing ;)

Burj Dubai showcased in India
Emaar will showcase its Bur Dubai project, planned to be the biggest skyscraper in the world, at the UAE in India Trade Show in Mumbai. Emaar sales director Naaman Attalah says Indians represent a substantial percentage of the company's homeowners as well as investors. Emaar is currently developing two major projects in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad.

Real world tour

Normally skyscrapers are build since the land i so expensive that you just have to build high buildings. Not in Dubai! :D These skyscrapes look a bit weird in the "middle of the desert. Lets wait what the reality will be.

An article posted at SSP quoted the height of BD at 2,624ft, or a little under 802m.

Link to article (http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1070429#post1070429post1070429)

If you don't mind registering, you can view the article directly (not go through SSP)here (http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2NjI1OTE4JnlyaXJ5N2Y3MTdmN3ZxZWVFRXl5Mg==).

wow, your talking 300m higher then taipei 101!!! farrr out!