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EarlyBird
April 11th, 2005, 12:15 AM
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The new European city break destination?

Manchester, the UK's second city, is home to 2.6 million people, is going through a massive renaissance and is a fast riser amongst the major European city break destinations. In 2004 there were 88 million tourism visits to Manchester, only beaten in England by London. The city is also tied with Edinburgh for second place in terms of international visitors. So what does Manchester have to offer? Does it deserve it's status as one of the fastest growing city break destinations in Europe? Lets have a look at what there is to find.

Museums and Galleries
Manchester has one of the broadest selections of museums and galleries in the UK, including some of national standing as well as the only national millennium project for the arts. Listed below are the best on offer.

Imperial War Museum of the North

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The Lowry

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Museum of Science and Industry

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Urbis

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Manchester Museum

Manchester Art Gallery

Salford Museum & Art Gallery

The Hat Museum

Manchester Jewish Museum

The Whitworth Art Gallery

The Chinese Arts Centre

The Cornerhouse

Manchester Athenaeum

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Concorde Viewing Park

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Museum of Transport

Greater Manchester Police Museum

Platt Hall Museum of Costume

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Manchester Central Library

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John Rylands Library

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Sports
Manchester has some of the best sporting teams and sports facilities in the UK. Not only can you watch the sports first hand, you can also take tours of the facilities and even take part yourself!

Manchester United

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Why not come to see Manchester United, the world's most successful sports franchise? Go to the 75,000 seater Theatre of Dreams to see the team play, go for a tour of the stadium, visit the Manchester United museum or have a meal in the Red Cafe.

Manchester City

Bolton Wanderers

Stockport County

Wigan Athletic

Wigan Warriors

Salford Reds

Sale Sharks

Lancashire County Cricket Club

Manchester Phoenix

SportCity

Other events
Manchester is one of the main sports venues in the UK. There are always sporting events on, be it Ricky Hatton boxing at the MEN arena, the Harlem Globetrotters playing a demo match, the world's first Paralympic World Cup or a whole host of other events. All you have to do is check the Manchester press and arena web sites beforehand to see whats on offer!

Theatre & Concerts
Whether you're into the contemporary scene, are more a fan of classical music or simply want to catch a show, Manchester has something to suit everyone's taste. Two symphony orchestras, a chamber orchestra, one of Europe's liveliest music scenes, the world's best selling arena and the UK's second largest selection of theatres all combine to make Manchester unrivalled.

The MEN Arena
The MEN Arena, with seating for 21,500, is the largest arena of it's kind in Europe and has the highest ticket sales of any arena in the world. Staging a variety of concerts and sporting events throughout the year, there's bound to be something on when you visit.

G-Mex

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G-Mex is a multipurpose facility. It operates in an "exhibition mode" and an "arena mode". In exhibition mode G-Mex hosts a variety of national events throughout the year. In arena mode it is one of the largest arenas in the UK, seating 19,500 people, again putting on a wide variety of events.

The Bridgewater Hall

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The Royal Exchange Theatre

The Opera House

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The Palace Theatre

The Contact Theatre

Shopping
Manchester has one of the UK's largest selections of shops, ranging from department stores to small independent retailers, centred in both malls and pedestrian streets and plazas.

The Arndale Centre

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The Arndale Centre, Europe's largest city centre shopping mall has a wide selection of stores, totalling 280. With the UK's largest Next store, one of two Selfridges in Manchester (out of only three outside London!) and many other stores, the Arndale Centre's selection is unrivalled. What's more, it's within easy walking distance of Manchester's many other shopping streets!

The Trafford Centre

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The Lowry Outlet

Affleck's Palace

The Triangle

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Catering for more upmarket tastes, the Triangle offers a range of designer brands and cafes in a unique setting. Located on Exchange Square, within a few metres of the Arndale Centre, Selfridges and the Printworks, the Triangle is a great place to wander through.

Deansgate

King Street

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St. Anne's Square

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Chinatown

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After passing through the imperial chinese archway, a gift to the city from China, the only archway of it's type in Europe and larger than the archway in San Francisco, you arrive in one of Europe's busiest Chinatowns. With an array of ethnic shops and supermarkets you can find an array of herbs, spices and other ethnic goods only bettered in China itself!

Canal Street

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Rusholme

Parks

Other Attractions

Eating & Drinking

Chinatown

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Manchester's Chinatown has a rich array of ethnic cuisine. Cantonese, Pekinese, Thai, Malaysian, Singaporean, Nepalese and Japanese can be found within the area, offering everything your tastebuds could desire!

Canal Street

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Rusholme

Nightlife
Manchester is world-renouned for it's nightlife. From it's pubs, clubs and bars to it's concerts.

Sights & Sounds

B of the Bang

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B of the Bang, the tallest sculpture in the UK, is situated outside the City of Manchester Stadium, site of the 2002 Commonwealth Games, and was officially unveiled in 2005. It was named after Linford Christie's comment that he starts races on "the B of the bang of the starter's pistol".

The Bridgewater Canal

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The Bridgewater Canal, running right into the heart of Manchester, was the world's first man-made waterway. The coal it carried reduced prices in the city and kick-started the Industrial Revolution. Take a stroll down the waterway responsible for everything around you today!

The Manchester Ship Canal & Salford Quays

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Another first for Manchester, the Manchester Ship Canal was the world's first man-made shipping channel and was a major feat of engineering at the time. The Ship Canal allowed ships to sail directly into the heart of Manchester at Salford Quays, bypassing the port of Liverpool.

Events & Festivals

Manchester Irish Festival

The Manchester Irish Festival is the largest Irish festival in the UK, attracting nearly 100,000 visitors to the city every year.

Manchester Comedy Festival

Manchester Jazz Festival

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As a part of Manchester's "Great Outdoors" summer events schedule, Manchester Jazz Festival is one of the few street festivals in Europe dedicated to jazz music. With 5 venues and over 40 artists the festival is a must for all jazz fans.

Manchester Pride Festival

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Manchester Pride is the UK's largest gay and lesbian festival, centred around the UK's largest gay and lesbian population in the heart of Manchester. Lasting for around two weeks of festivities, as many as 200,000 people take part.

Manchester Beer Festival

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Manchester usually plays host to two beer festivals a year, one an indoor winter one and the other a larger outdoor summer one. If you want to experience beer from all kinds of brewers, from large multinationals to small local microbreweries, you'll find them all at Manchester's beer festivals.

Lord Mayor's Parade

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The Lord Mayor's Parade is organised as a welcoming event for the new Lord Mayor of Manchester, with a large parade and events throughout the weekend. The parade is one of the colourful highlights of Manchester's calendar.

Move

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Organised by the Virgin group, Move 2004 was one of the UK's largest urban music events with internationally renouned acts performing before sellout crowds. Move is to return in 2005, with details due shortly. Would Manchester be Manchester without music festivals?

The Manchester Festival
Currently planning for a 2006 launch, the Manchester Festival aims to be one of the largest festivals in Europe.

Other Events

Getting Around

Metrolink

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Buses

Trains

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Taxis

Where to Stay

Further Afield

Developments

EarlyBird
April 11th, 2005, 12:16 AM
I thought it'd be nice to have a thread about the city and what it has to offer. It's under construction, but if you'd like to complete one (or more) of the sections for me and post it as a reply I'll add it on the first post. The more, the better! :)

Potato Man
April 11th, 2005, 01:00 AM
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The new European city break destination?

Manchester Athenaeum

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An interesting idea for a guide thread. I'd edit out a couple of your 'facts' though, before some of the more argumentative forumers get hold of them.

I mean exactly what sort of museum is that in my partial quote? Granted I've not been in for at least 12 months, but last time I passed through the doors of this particular establishment the only collection of international standing that they had was their collection of football hooligans on match days.

Also, what exactly are you talking about here

as well as the only national millennium project

I understand there were more than 200 millennium commission projects, granted many of these were small community focused affairs, but do the dome or the eden centre not count as 'national projects'?

EarlyBird
April 11th, 2005, 04:07 AM
I mean exactly what sort of museum is that in my partial quote? Granted I've not been in for at least 12 months, but last time I passed through the doors of this particular establishment the only collection of international standing that they had was their collection of football hooligans on match days.

Never been in myself so I wouldn't know to be honest.

I understand there were more than 200 millennium commission projects, granted many of these were small community focused affairs, but do the dome or the eden centre not count as 'national projects'?

If you look, there was one National Millennium Project per category for a number of different categories. The Lowry was the National Millennium Project for the arts, therefore in it's subsection in the guide it is the only one. I'll clarify it though.

Craig
April 11th, 2005, 02:56 PM
I know that Manchester is often quoted as having the highest number of overseas visitors after London (the same as Edinboro) but I never actually see that many tourists around. I think they must count a lot of business visitors because as that bus tour thing thats on in the summer hardly has anyone on it whereas go to Edinburgh and there's loads of them and they're packed.

Jonesy55
April 11th, 2005, 02:59 PM
Isn't the Athaneum a pub/bar???

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 03:16 PM
Craig, I think you are right.

I think we get inflated figures as we get a fair number of students who come and stay for a long time (does this count more than a weekend trip), we also are guarenteed 3,000 people times about 6 or 7 attending Old Trafford in th CL every season.There are a couple of thousand Irish who come to OT every weekend etc.

In reality we have got no where near as many tourists as places like Edinburgh, Oxford, York etc, but stats like the one being quoted just go to show you can prove anything with statistics.

1cc
April 11th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Thanks EarlyBird - I think its brilliant! If you can hurry up and finish I would be real grateful so I can convince my partner that we are going to be moving to one hell of a cool place next month!

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 03:19 PM
Jonesy, yes it is, a bit run down inside these days as well.

Craig
April 11th, 2005, 03:37 PM
Nobby, just as I thought really the figures are a bit of a con. I mean these visitor do spend and add to the ecomony but they are hardly what most people regard as tourists.

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 03:45 PM
They are kind of tourists, everytime United play at home, every single hotel room in the city centre is full, either Irish, away fans or OOT reds. These people do indeed contribute to the Manchester economy (in a huge way - just walk around Manchester on a Saturday before United play - look at the thousands of OOT's in town shopping and in the pubs).

However, to suggest that as we have lots of 'football tourists' we have got lots of tourist destinations in the city is just wrong.

I would imagine the same is probably the case for the likes of Brum and Leeds - Liverpool however, has a similar situation to us, except replace United with The Beatles (or am I being unfair there???).

EarlyBird
April 11th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Isn't the Athaneum a pub/bar???

It's primary use was as a gallery and still is as far as I know...

"After 1882, The Royal Institution which had been based in the present City Art Gallery (above) transferred its art treasures to Manchester Corporation, conditional upon £4,000 a year being committed from rates by the Corporation to purchase further works of art. The original gallery soon became overcrowded, and after many other new sites had been rejected, it was decided to build the Athenaeum, immediately behind the City Gallery as an extension to the gallery's facilities. Charles Barry, who had designed the Art Gallery, was commissioned to build the Athenaeum. This time he chose a Tuscan Italian Palazzo style, quite different from the original, with a connecting entrance directly with the Art Gallery, and a separate entrance in Princess Street. This now forms a visiting or temporary art and craft exhibition space, with frequently changing and exciting shows on offer. Both the eminent art critic John Ruskin, and Charles Dickens gave lectures in this building."

EarlyBird
April 11th, 2005, 05:48 PM
They are kind of tourists, everytime United play at home, every single hotel room in the city centre is full, either Irish, away fans or OOT reds. These people do indeed contribute to the Manchester economy (in a huge way - just walk around Manchester on a Saturday before United play - look at the thousands of OOT's in town shopping and in the pubs).

However, to suggest that as we have lots of 'football tourists' we have got lots of tourist destinations in the city is just wrong.

I would imagine the same is probably the case for the likes of Brum and Leeds - Liverpool however, has a similar situation to us, except replace United with The Beatles (or am I being unfair there???).

You're honestly trying to say you don't see dozens of foreign tourists wandering around every time you go to Manchester? Every time I've been recently I've been stopped for directions for some poor lost stray! They go to the Imperial War Museum, the Lowry, the Man United tour, the Trafford Centre and walk about the city centre. I know because I've stumbled across them in all these places.

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 05:54 PM
EB - have you ever been in The Athaneum?

I am guessing not - ever since I have been drinking in town (about 13 years) it has been a bar, and quite a grotty one recently - certainly in desperate need of a refurb.

It must have been a very long time since it was last a gallery.

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 05:56 PM
EB - yes, I am saying, in comparison to places such as York or Oxford (how often have you been to either of these cities) Manchester has virtually no tourists.

If you are to compare us to a city like Edinburgh for tourists, then you seriously need you head looking at.

EarlyBird
April 11th, 2005, 06:28 PM
EB - yes, I am saying, in comparison to places such as York or Oxford (how often have you been to either of these cities) Manchester has virtually no tourists.

If you are to compare us to a city like Edinburgh for tourists, then you seriously need you head looking at.

The fact is, though, that Manchester DOES have more tourists than these places. What do you think they do? Do they materialise in the middle of Old Trafford and then dematerialise again? In fact if you look at the figures you'll see that Old Trafford tour figures are quite a bit lower than the number of foreign tourists to the city. Manchester may not have as much to do as you'd like, but it a rival to many cities throughout the world. Don't be so quick to put it down.

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 06:51 PM
EB - that is what was being said before, OT may well bring in many many tourists, however, that does not make MANCHESTER a tourist destination as such, it does not mean that the tourists are coming to Manchester for Manchester, they are coming here for one reason, the football.

And unlike many of the other places, e.g. Edinburgh, York, Oxford etc, which appeal to a wide range of visitors, Manchester appeals to a certain very specific type of person.

To claim Manchester is more of a tourist destination than other cities is streching statists and making yourself look very desperate.

P.S. These tourist figures, do they say people who 'visit' Manchester are tourists, and are they therefore counting all the tens of thousand of people who live in Trafford/Stockport/Salford etc etc as tourists everyday they go to work?

Nobby
April 11th, 2005, 06:53 PM
and you didn't answer the other question, when was the last time you were in Edinburgh?

Be_Happy
April 11th, 2005, 07:15 PM
What is Manchester?

Depends who you ask. Ask me or most other forumers and we'll tell you it's a fine British city.

The 'Earlybird' answer would include fairies, goblins, a horrible wicked witch, a few lions, a small wooden boy and numerous grossly exagerated 'facts'.

markydeedrop
April 11th, 2005, 08:45 PM
The Great Manchester Run should be added to the list (a big event which pulls many participants in as well as spectators) along with the only ITU International Triathalon event staged in the UK at Salford Quays. These are both big giant sporting events in their own right.

We also have the Frank Cohen gallery which should add to our growing collection. I read an article stating Manchester has more theatres per head of capita than anywhere else in the country, and although this figure is probably distorted by the small population within Manchester itself, it is still impressive.

We have numerous sporting events at Sportcity which often go unoticed by locals. However, the really big KILLER application (computer talk) that we have over any other UK city is the Arena. This is THE number one venue for concerts on the planet, and when it's booked and utilised at the ratio it is we are always going to pull folks in from all over the place.

We have the usual summer music festivals at OT and this year I've noticed that the City of Manchester Stadium will be doing it's bit for tourism.

Other areas of the UK and cities have some great events, but the variety isn't as great, the venue sizes are often smaller and the knock on affect is that we are heading towards the UK's 2nd city when it comes to tourism.

I think it's good if you ask me. Bring it on!!!

rolybling
April 11th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Well for what its worth, I always see tourists' in Manchester, especially during the summer.Theres loads of the Hong Kong Massive about with their Nikon cameras and you always see large groups ofFrench or Spanish tourists not to mention the Americans who I tend to overhear talking in St Anns square or some place quite a lot these days, it may not have a castle but if the English Tourist Board say it rivals Edinbourgh for visitors I'll take that as read.We shouldn't be putting ourselves down like this, sometimes we take for granted what we have here whereas tourists/visitors see it all as new to them.My ex is American and works for American Airlines and he said that all the flight crew want to have Manchester on their schedule because they love it here,Ive even met scousers who think its the dogs bollocks and that must have choaked them but....fair play..it is the dogs bollocks. :cheers:

kids
April 11th, 2005, 09:46 PM
i must say most times i go into town i am asked directions or to take pictures of people, often in strange languages to. it just depends where you go, round the town hall theres loads of tourists, in and around the arndale theres none.

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 05:13 AM
EB - have you ever been in The Athaneum?

I am guessing not - ever since I have been drinking in town (about 13 years) it has been a bar, and quite a grotty one recently - certainly in desperate need of a refurb.

It must have been a very long time since it was last a gallery.

I'm 33 and as far as I can ever remember it was a pub.

Makes you wonder about EB sometimes, glossing Manchester up with figures and facts, yet doesn't know that the Athaneum is a pub and trys to put it forward as an art gallery of distinction. When I was around 17 years old, more of a disco at weekends too.

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 05:13 AM
Maybe it has a side door?

EarlyBird
April 12th, 2005, 06:03 AM
I'm 33 and as far as I can ever remember it was a pub.

Makes you wonder about EB sometimes, glossing Manchester up with figures and facts, yet doesn't know that the Athaneum is a pub and trys to put it forward as an art gallery of distinction. When I was around 17 years old, more of a disco at weekends too.

I've been speaking to some other people from Manc tonight... apparently there is still a gallery there. Only problem is I put the wrong pic! Here is the correct pic of the Manchester Athenaeum:

http://www.lookingatbuildings.org.uk/img_hr/Manchester_Atheneum.jpg

Nobby
April 12th, 2005, 06:08 AM
EB - have you ever been in there?

If so wtf is the Gallery? The ceiling of the pub is probably as high as the roof.

You don't half talk shite some of the time.

and if it is some gallery, it is hardly used by any member of the public as everyone thinks it is a bar.

Seriously, when was the last time you were in there?

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 06:09 AM
Ah, that make more sense!

Is that its real name that newly posted building?

Easy enough mistake to make. Sorry mate.

Nobby
April 12th, 2005, 06:10 AM
Where the hell is that above picture, that is not 'the Athenaeum' near Spring Gardens.

EarlyBird
April 12th, 2005, 06:12 AM
It's on Princess Street... It used to be called the Manchester Athenaeum, but it's now a part of the Manchester City Art Gallery. It's best to refer to it as the Athenaeum though to distinguish it from the actual art gallery itself.

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 06:14 AM
Manchester Art Gallery Expansion Project
In November 1994 the City of Manchester promoted an International Design Competition to progress plans to refurbish the existing historic City Art Gallery and Athenaeum. This included expanding the gallery with a new building on the vacant car park site and joining this with the two existing buildings to complete the block.

The competition attracted 132 architects, 6 of whom were selected to proceed to the final stage. Michael Hopkins and Partners were announced as winners in January 1995.

Ever since Manchester Corporation first took over the City Art Gallery in 1882 there have been plans to extend the premises. The acquisition of the Athenaeum in 1938 provided some additional display space, but as early as 1898 the Committee bought the block of buildings at the rear of the Gallery, (later to become a car park) with a view to extending the building. Some 100 years later, this plan finally came to fruition.

The Gallery closed in 1998 and all of the artworks were removed into storage. Many of the items now on display in the new Gallery benefited from extensive conservation work during this time. Public access to the collections was maintained by a programme of national and international touring exhibitions and loans to other institutions.

The objectives of the expansion project were:

To repair and refurbish the two existing historic buildings
To allow public access to historic interiors, for example the Athenaeum Theatre which has not been seen by the public since the Manchester Corporation bought the building in 1938
To provide access to the gallery for all members of the public
To facilitate the display of more art work from the gallery's collection, a large percentage of which remained hidden away in storage
To significantly upgrade environmental conditions within the galleries to assist in the preservation of art works
To provide exhibition galleries to international standards in order to attract high profile exhibitions
Under architect Sir Michael Hopkins' scheme, a stunning new extension with a striking stone and glass facade blends with the existing buildings to provide a new landmark for the city centre. A spacious new glass atrium has been created to link the new wing with the former City Art Gallery and Athenaeum. These buildings have also been cleaned and refurbished, bringing new areas of the Gallery into public use for the first time ever. Decades of grime have been removed, restoring the beauty of the interior and exterior stonework.

The new Manchester Art Gallery re-opened to the public in May 2002. As a result of the new building and refurbishment, gallery space showing artworks from the permanent collection has tripled in size from approximately 900m² to 2500m² and the exhibition gallery space has doubled from approximately 350m² to 700m².

EarlyBird
April 12th, 2005, 06:18 AM
It was my fault being an idiot... I didn't know the other Athenaeum even existed (I don't even know where it is to be honest). The only one I know about is the one that's a gallery. I'd seen that photo on here and assumed that it must be the same building from a different side. Silly me for assuming Manchester wouldn't have two buildings called "The Athenaeum"!

DonQui
April 12th, 2005, 06:19 AM
Manchester is a sleepy New England town.

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 06:20 AM
I was being an uncultured Salford Scally not even realising that we once had a part of our museum that was called the Athenaeum, instead, only recognising that name as being that bloody hole of a pub.

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 06:21 AM
Manchester is a sleepy New England town.

New Manchester, NH, NE, US of A, maybe, not the original one with Roman heritage.

DonQui
April 12th, 2005, 06:30 AM
:D How is Boston England?

WeasteDevil
April 12th, 2005, 06:35 AM
:D How is Boston England?

Happily remaining a little village.

GreatMoor
April 14th, 2005, 06:19 PM
I'm 33 and as far as I can ever remember it was a pub.

Makes you wonder about EB sometimes, glossing Manchester up with figures and facts, yet doesn't know that the Athaneum is a pub and trys to put it forward as an art gallery of distinction. When I was around 17 years old, more of a disco at weekends too.

The Athenaeum was neither a pub nor a gallery. It was a (gentlemen's) club for radicals, committed to providing free education before the state provided schools. The (2nd) building shown by EB was designed by Charles Barry and was opened in 1839. He liked the design so much he copied it for the Reform Club on Pall Mall, London. Early members included Richard Cobden and Robert Owen while Charles Dickens presided over its first soiree. My father's great uncle was a director before the war.

The present Athenaeum (1st EB photo) was a different gentlemen's club, also for radicals. Can't remember now which, either the Manchester or the Reform. I went in it about a couple of months ago. It's a dump and needs renovating.

dgnr8
April 14th, 2005, 08:01 PM
I was reading an article yonks back and the claims in this piece were the athenaeum (or "an") was on the Canal street Carpark. The "ruins" that run around the side were supposed to be the only remains of the building, including whatever was inside.

It was a while ago I read this, so don't take the above as word, nigs. Word.

Potato Man
April 14th, 2005, 11:58 PM
Sure it wasn't a 'Letherium' degen?

http://www.letherium.org/

The website is a good laugh, in fact I plan a trip to the Cornerhouse at weekend to see Der Untergang (I'm trying - without a great deal of sucsess - to learn German) and fully intend to see where Manchesters collection of redundant stuffed elephants might one day be stored.

In fact I'm surprised EB didn't post up the Letherium as one of Manchester's great cultural institutions ;)

kebabmonster
April 15th, 2005, 09:56 AM
Der Untergang-well worth seeing. I saw it last time I was in Germany, it was amazing to see his last days in the bunker, and how ineffective his generals were, despite the fact they knew he'd lost the plot.

GreatMoor
April 15th, 2005, 01:55 PM
The present Athenaeum (1st EB photo) was a different gentlemen's club, also for radicals. Can't remember now which, either the Manchester or the Reform. I went in it about a couple of months ago. It's a dump and needs renovating.

Wrong. I found a 1970s Civic Trust booklet which says the Reform Club was on the opposite corner. It says it "was built in 1902 for Parrs Bank [a Liverpool investment bank that financed the cotton industry] but has become one among a group of branches of the National Westminster. A great struggle is going on at present to save this building from demolition. The National Westminster are busy raising up the tall office block seen a little way along Spring Gardens as part of a development that will include a new banking hall. They want to move on then to re-develop the site occupied by the old Parrs Bank and its neighbour with offices. Apart from the loss of the one of the city's finest Edwardian buildings, this would risk losing a vital element of the dramatic framing effect at the top of King Street."

Wasn't there a NatWest advert about its competitors branches becoming pubs or coffee bars?

sloyne
April 18th, 2005, 03:46 AM
Manchester is a sleepy New England town.

New Hampshire is a sleepy state, however, Manchester, NH., is quite industrial and far from sleepy.

sloyne
April 18th, 2005, 03:49 AM
New Manchester, NH, NE, US of A, maybe, not the original one with Roman heritage.

Manchester's Roman heritage consisted of a garrison from nearby Deva (Chester) which was the Roman capital of North West England. The Roman Legion stationed at Chester was the 22nd Legion (Van Doos). :)

ManUtdGuaro
June 1st, 2006, 11:57 AM
I love MANCHESTER UNITED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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