I would be the first person to say 'this is a bit late in the day' the tallest of the 2 blocks is now up to 14 floors, but the more I see of this building the more I like it, and that's why I think it should have it's own thread. The only regret I have is that it is not at least 30 stories high!!!

The site does occupy a brilliant location on the corner of Princes Dock, the building itself combines rounded corners with sharp angular shapes, the colour of the cladding (I think it has been previously described as Portland) is perfect, a lesson for other developers to follow. Now that the form of the building is taking shape the balconies are emerging and on the elevation facing the river there appears to be a terrace on the 1st floor, could it be a bar/pub?? if it is top marks because I think it will provide fantastic views over the river. I think this building is an excellent addition to Liverpool's waterfront.

Some photos from March '05
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http://img62.echo.cx/img62/1524/cityloft21rz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img44.echo.cx/img44/3581/cityloft31oy.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Apr '05, standing close to the building you get a real sense of its quality.

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I do like City Lofts, and agree it could do with another ten mikes. I do like its nice curvy arse too. :cheers:

Great photos Doug. The development is advertised as mixed-use and I think there will be a bar / restaurant on the ground floor and some office space as well. It will be fairly lonely when first opened but with the Malmaison, Alexandra Tower and whatever new developments are likely to go ahead in the next year or two, that should not be for long.

Good idea to start a thread, it is a pretty major development and one we would be really excited about when sscity first started, now we don't notice anything under 25 mikes.

Thanks Martin, I thought the thread would also make sense when directed from your development summary.

There is still a lot of open space down on Princes Dock and also on the Waterloo Dock , a couple of towers would look great there!!

Doug those close-up shots are stunning, this will be a superb develoment,love the "portland " cladding looks much better than some of the renders we have seen published
From a distance with those balconys it could be an apartment block in Benidorm :)

Ta!! Woody, I seem to remember some of the earlier images of this development showed a kind of orange maybe light brown cladding, this is looking great.

Ta!! Woody, I seem to remember some of the earlier images of this development showed a kind of orange maybe light brown cladding, this is looking great.

Doug, great pics yet again.

Got to agree with you. The quality of this develpoment is now beginning to show and as you say, the quality inceases as you close in.

I wonder what this area will look like in ten years time?

at first i thought it looked a bit council blockish but it looks great in construction. Is it the same thing as the renders i have seen??

Seems to be looking alot better than the renders we have seen, a welcome addition to princes dock. well done Doug an excellent days work!

Agree with you Doug on the height issue,it could do with a few more storeys.

Agree with you Doug on the height issue,it could do with a few more storeys.

i think he means Mikes, sorry for any confusion! :hammer:

Will remember next time: 'Mikes'. :cheers:

Nice one Doug.
Here's a couple from this avvy. Nice to see a bit more skin on the bone :cheers:

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These pics from Dave and Doug are great! A whole glut of great pics lately:D

....and what a grand walled entrance it has also. Looks quite stunning in that 2nd shot.

Is that wall a listed structure?

Think it is yea. Part of WHS

Cheers Steve.

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Great shots in the setting sun Doug:D
A summery feel now as the development nears topping out stage. Did you see any activity at the Malmaison site out of interest?

nice pics Doug, it's going to look quite classy, isn't it? Any idea how much the flats are going to cost, by the way?

Yapachoo, no sign of any work on the Malmaison site to report.

Liverpolitan, the Knight Frank ad in this weeks Move mag says these Conran designed flats, 1 & 2 bedroom with secure parking, start from £136,000. Marketing suite down by the Crowne Plaza hotel, sounds like a bargain to me the parking must be worth a few bob by itself.

Ah but the cheapest are always on the ground floor. I wonder how much a 2 bedroom with a half-decent view will cost?

Also, I detest Conran, I want to do my own flat when I move in somewhere. Why pay some **** thousands to make a mess of your flat, when you can do it more cheaply yourself>

Only a couple of floors to go.

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[QUOTE=Doug Roberts]Only a couple of floors to go.

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Doug nice pic, CL towers look very classy, they compliment the new MSCP perfectly :)

Some more pics of city loft's coming along nicely.

http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/zCity Lofts from Princess Dock 1.JPG

http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/zCity Lofts from Princess Dock 7.JPG

http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/zCity Lofts from Princess Dock 4.JPG

Taken yesterday from Princes Half Tide Dock. Quite a few herons in the area nowadays. :cheers:

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i really like the cladding on that. it may not be our biggest building but its one of our most stylish ones.

its not that great its the location thats great anything tall built on the docks will look good if its a fair height but i still like the building.

Cheers for the pics guys, this development is looking great.

It's good that they're wasting no time getting all these superb buildings built before 2008.. it is going to give such a brilliant vibe of Liverpool.. with the ancient and historic aspects on full view yet without looking stale due to all these well-designed and properly located towers, with all managing to respect the element of the dockside. Will make the city look really fresh IMO.. and shows how well-deserve Liverpool were to get it, and I think that after Liverpool has had its coverage it will really boom.

Anyone got any renders of this?

Check martins development Summary. There were some there a while back, but I'm not sure if he's replaced them with photographs. :)

City Lofts with Alexander tower site in background, from 18th floor of MSCP.
Look at all the green weeds in the dock.

http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/zCityLofts17.JPG

look at all the space next to city lofts there could be another tower there easy.

look at all the space next to city lofts there could be another tower there easy.I think the Malmaison Hotel is being built in that gap, and should be as high as the smaller tower of City Lofts, about 10 Michaels.

i would love to see this

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City lofts looks a classy building but when looking to the side of the building does anybody else feel disapointed at the hieght. (Presuming it is nearly at full hieght.)

City lofts looks a classy building but when looking to the side of the building does anybody else feel disapointed at the hieght. (Presuming it is nearly at full hieght.)
yep you just feel 2 more floors would of been great.

City Lofts with Alexander tower site in background, from 18th floor of MSCP.
Look at all the green weeds in the dock.
Juxt, looking straight back atcha! :)

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Juxt, looking straight back atcha! :)

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Do you live in them bushes, popping out every now and then to take a picture, before ducking back to subterrania land. :)

Do you live in them bushes, popping out every now and then to take a picture, before ducking back to subterrania land. :)

I go there to flash at the passing Mersey Ferries :weirdo:

Aah... I wondered why the ferries looked busy recently.. :)


This one today, at Mersey River Festival, pity about the weather.
http://www.123lcc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/post/zmerseyferry1.JPG

Aah... I wondered why the ferries looked busy recently.. :)


This one today, at Mersey River Festival, pity about the weather.

Weather my arse. This is a fantastic pic! :cheers:

Juxt, the Malmaison is to be built on the othe side of the car park. The large space between that and Alex tower is supposed to be for more offices etc, although Peel might revise their plans upwards. :)

Weather my arse. This is a fantastic pic! :cheers:
Yeh, the Wirral looks very impressive.

Juxt, brilliant photo from the MSCP thanks, still quite a bit of space to fill at Princes Dock.

In the ferry picture it looks like the thing is moving, brilliant!!

Juxt, brilliant photo from the MSCP thanks, still quite a bit of space to fill at Princes Dock.

In the ferry picture it looks like the thing is moving, brilliant!!
Yes it certainly was, they don't half shift, this one did what looked like the equivalent of a handbrake turn to point the other way.

As for the plot next to City Lofts, lets hope it is at least 20 Michaels, i think Peel will go tall here.

I'm so glad they didn't go with the red brick design we seen in some of the renders it looks great. Great pictures guys!

City Lofts (& Alexandra site) from Seacombe, 8th July -

http://img203.echo.cx/img203/4763/cl13eu.jpg

Looks quite small with beetham in the background

Taken last night/this morning from 9th Floor of the Radisson with my new K750i:

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http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/andyrout/DSC00041.jpg

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And the hotel atrium viewed from the top floor:

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Great photos from an angle we've not seen before. Nice one! :cheers:

I wish the residential tower was about 10 mikes taller though!

As we all do. It's a shame really.

Great shots there mrout,

Shows the amount of space around that dock area to be filled in with new developments. This will become more lively when the canal link is complete, and we have a number of boats making use of the docks. Could see there being a pub or two around that area, and resteraunts etc. Also be good for the promenade to be extended as far north as possible along the waterfront to link Stanley warehouses into the city centre.

great pics its nice to see it from the back and looks very good both ways a couple more of the same would be nice.

I wish the residential tower was about 10 mikes taller though!

Still looks impressive though, travelling into town down the dock road. It looks (to me) taller than I thought it was from photographs on here. :)

Residential tower? Is that the smaller one? If so yep I agree. :runaway:

Excellent photos. Looking much better than I'd expected.

Still looks impressive though, travelling into town down the dock road. It looks (to me) taller than I thought it was from photographs on here. :)
i agree it does make a real impression cant wait for alex now.

Looking good...with a lickle bit of the Alex thrown in :cheers:

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great development , im looking forward to seeing this one complete,,

I should pop over for the day ,ive not been to Liverpool for ages , its looking great

Cant believe how fast CityLofts is progressing. Nice pic dave :)

great development , im looking forward to seeing this one complete,,

I should pop over for the day ,ive not been to Liverpool for ages , its looking great

Join us on one of our walk-abouts :)

Well im thinking of coming over for a nosey in the next couple of weeks, i'll let ya know Woody,

cluster coming along nicely!

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Dude! That pic on posy #66 is class. That's what I call a city-scape :cheers:

A few more pics from last week. Forgot I had them.

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Brilliant design, nice and original.. suits the location and lets hope it makes the most of its attention because when Alexandra is on the up this will have to make do with a backseat.. Can't wait to see this, Beetham and Alexandra all standing tall next to each other, will make great photo op's.. :)

Looking good! It'll be impressive when finished, that's for sure (yes, I know it's nearly there). :applause:

Two views taken yesterday, a.m. and p.m.
Big difference in the weather! :cheers:

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^ Did you take a photo after the crane fell over? :runaway:

Jeez, I hope that's perspective.

Nice building, City Lofts. Clean, sleek, modern, nice verticals, very 21st Century.

Jeez, I hope that's perspective.

It certainly is.


Citylofts looks great now. :)

brilliant stuff. cant wait for alexandra tower to go up next to it

August 11th:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y237/andyrout/DSC00019.jpg

A few days behind, admittedly. I'll take an up to date one tomorrow morning

Almost looks like you've taken that from Beetham mrout! It has those external rail thingies on it now which should speed up glazing and the last bit of cladding I'd have thought.

The crane does resemble a modern tower of pissa. Its my birthday now haha

Happy birthday matey! :cheers:

18th isn't it? Christ, I can't remember much about the years between my 18th and 22nd birthdays. Enjoy full mental awareness while you still can! :D

Taken from the 9th floor of the radisson hotel.

Happy birthday matey! :cheers:

18th isn't it? Christ, I can't remember much about the years between my 18th and 22nd birthdays. Enjoy full mental awareness while you still can! :D

ta mate ye its 18 it's been a bit of a blur since i was 16 to be honest haha i've been to Ibiza the last two years with me mates so i feel more of a verteran than i should for my age well me bros 30 an he hasn't stopped so party on i suppose :cheers:

i'm going from brum for Godskitchen on Saturday :dance:

so i'll give you an opinion of the place as it is now if any of you are arsed but it might give us an idea of how were doing

This morning:

(poor quality - I blame it on the filthy windows in the hotel)

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That first picture is amazing :yes:

Yeah, great sky in that first one.

Thanks! Amazing, as I took the photos within 30 secs of each other.

great pics but i wish they would knock them scruffy units down.

yeah they look awful not exactly the kind of view youd want or expect from a luxory flat or deluxe hotel, mind you it would be interesting to think what might actually end up on that site, im sure its owners are becoming incredibly aware how much they could sell it to developers for, that should be a site to watch in future

I think the King Eddie Ind estate is well on the developers radar.

The City Loft's crane has definately got a lean outwards away from the building, it was mentioned earlier on this thread. I took a good look at it today and it is definatley a couple of degrees off vertical, it needs to come down soon!!

The crane on City lofts has now gone, :wave: was being loaded onto hgv's today. Probably taking it 50yards down the road to Malmaison... :)

The excellent City Lofts, minus crane, IMO the best development downtown for some years, it's just a shame it wasn't 5 mikes taller!!

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yer i was looking at your first picture and it looks like something has been cut off the taller tower

Smashing set of pics Doug, must agree that this is a fine looking development and would have been brilliant if the 20 mike tower was 25 to 30.

Couldn't agree more, it's the clean lines and cladding on this building that makes it look real classy.

A little higher would be nice.

This is the scale that Princes Dock should has aspired to from the outset. The biggest impact it makes is on the awful M4 corridor tech park type buildings that are already in place.

I like it, the scale and style of Malmaison appears just as inkeeping as does Alex. What will become of the vacant plots and more tellingly what will become of the midget sheds?

Great but i think Alex will surpass it by a country mile but still great development

Thought this looked a bit cheap and nasty at first but it turned out decent, quality addition.

When you see it in the flesh, it looks better - good quality materials on this fella, far better than the renderings.

Thought this looked a bit cheap and nasty at first but it turned out decent, quality addition.

Caw 123, the early renders did cause a few adverse comments,the brown cladding finish did not look to clever, but as we can all see the white cladding looks bloody good with floor to ceiling glazing. When completed this superb development will still look good ,sandwich between West Tower and Alex. tower.

EDIT:^Beat me to it!

Remeber the red cladding in the old renderings. :puke:

This building just gets better and better as more of the cladding is completed. Can't wait until the construction hoists are taken down and the glazing is all in place.

I was inside city lofts yesterday, coming along steadily, will be really nice when its finished.

I walked past the city lofts a few days ago before we went to the mathew street fest. Standing close to it and looking up, makes you realise how actually tall they are. Will look much better of course when the cladding is complete.

Covered most angles during yesterday. Weather was wank, so no fluffy clouds :)

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I think the picture with the reflection in the dock is brilliant, the hazy buildings in the background really add to the pic, it could be NY! ta Dave.

Nice pictures. Thanks Dave! :)

Thanks Doug,
the weather was awful yesterday. Took a load of similar ones for my own use, with various "objects" in the foreground and the usual suspects in the background :cheers:

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I think the picture with the reflection in the dock is brilliant, the hazy buildings in the background really add to the pic, it could be NY! ta Dave.

I thought that too about the haze.

Dave can even take good pics when the weather is crap!
:weirdo:

I walked past the city lofts a few days ago before we went to the mathew street fest. Standing close to it and looking up, makes you realise how actually tall they are. Will look much better of course when the cladding is complete.
i agree looks quite tall when your stood underneath it although a couple more floors would of been nice.

Excellent pics (although your choice of phrase was a little below the belt - come rain, hail or snow.)

The scale of the docks and waterfront cries out - build on me.

I can hardly say the bigger the better under the circumstances.

:runaway:

City Lofts is a quality development and I hope the 9-storey tower (waiting for planning permission) will be just as good. Would be excellent if they are looking for more sites in the city to develop.

Dave, any chance for some new pics... this time including fluffy clouds please

Got a few pics in town today while I could. Am in Edinburgh Uni now so I can't see the developments as often as I used to.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/yapachoo/Princes%20Dock/Europe%202005/Liverpool%20Construction%20October%202005/cityloftsoct05.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y135/yapachoo/Princes%20Dock/Europe%202005/Liverpool%20Construction%20October%202005/citylofts3oct05.jpg

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Got a few pics in town today while I could. Am in Edinburgh Uni now so I can't see the developments as often as I used to.Nice pics, thanks. Top choice of university if I may say so too. My brother went to Edinburgh after turning down a place at Oxford - best decision he ever made and I only wish I'd been brave enough to do the same. Would have stopped him taunting me about it all for the last 8 years or so if nothing else...

Thanks MerseyO! I love it there, and I like the flexibility of course choices in the first yr with the Scottish system. Lovely city too, but I do still prefer Liverpool. One thing I did notice about Ed is that shops are open much later which I really think L'pool should emulate. Numerous people have already noted the same issue.

Lots of arrogant, super rich southern brats in Ed though, which pisses me off.

A lot of them are from Edinburgh you just don't realise it. Half of my family are from Edinburgh and most of them are snobby gits but not all its just a majority thing, lovely city though!

City Lofts - 30/09/05

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Nice pic Gareth, just missing Dave`s fluffy clouds

Superb pics of a building that has gone beyond my primary expectations.. This building doesn't require the fluffy clouds to make it look good, for one a dark, shitty day its white frame is really striking and attractive...just hope it don't get grimey too soon :(

Agreed Ferge. This building looks far better than I thought it would. I just hope that it has been planned with provisions to maintain the facade, etc. That white fucking thing at Kings Dock already has brown rust stains on it. If the designers had had the brains to take account of this, and if its managers had the sense to maintain it, it wouldn't look so cheap and tacky.

WHY MAKE A BUILDING WHITE IF ITS ONLY GOING TO GET SHITTY RUST STAINS ON IT!? FFS!

Agreed Ferge. This building looks far better than I thought it would. I just hope that it has been planned with provisions to maintain the facade, etc. That white fucking thing at Kings Dock already has brown rust stains on it. If the designers had had the brains to take account of this, and if its managers had the sense to maintain it, it wouldn't look so cheap and tacky.

WHY MAKE A BUILDING WHITE IF ITS ONLY GOING TO GET SHITTY RUST STAINS ON IT!? FFS!

With the current / potential rate of change - it may not long be for this world.

Nice concept (not brown brick - though brown brick would have been in keeping.....)

Rust isn`t good on such a new development though - I`d want my money back!

9th October 2005.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/princes/citloft1.jpg

9th October 2005.

http://www.liverpoolviews.co.uk/pierhead/princes/citloft2.jpg

i love the way it curves on the 2nd picture

Great pictures from Gareth & Mr. Williams, thanks.

Any progress on the cladding of CL in the last month? Any pics to be had? The photo updates are really excellent and useful seeing as I'm too far away to pop into town now.

Any progress on the cladding of CL in the last month? Any pics to be had? The photo updates are really excellent and useful seeing as I'm too far away to pop into town now.

Yap,
here's few from Wednesday. I'll post a few more tonight. Got an early start this morning.

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I count 23 floors:s, stunning though

Scouserdave that's bloody marvellous, cheers mate :D

Cladding already starting to look dirty

Here are the latest from 1 Princes Dock taken from some various angles.

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6840/citylofts17rp.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/1626/citylofts21ey.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/2500/citylofts37pe.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/4959/citylofts44jx.jpg

That is brilliant. City Lofts has always been the project I've been least fussed about. But this really is quality- looks like 1930s German apartment building- except much taller. :cheers:

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:MHQea567Pg4J:www.c20society.org.uk/images/building/bauhaus/kkfront.jpg

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:_QX255LmWBoJ:www.idylic.co.uk/assets/images/Bauhaus-school-desau_1_.jpg

http://img470.imageshack.us/img470/6840/citylofts17rp.jpg

This is a building i have gone off big time.

taken earlier today

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That 3rd picture it looks great, but sometimes you see it in the flesh and it looks pretty shit. Still can't decide if i like it or not.

That 3rd picture it looks great, but sometimes you see it in the flesh and it looks pretty shit. Still can't decide if i like it or not.

Its by far the best development ,to date, at the Princes Dock, it looks bloody good to me. City Lofts phase two will look very different having red brick cladding and close up to the dock wall, should look a bit like "Albert Dock".

Just looking at the way the sun reflect of the glass, i was on the bus in the bus station behind St Johns and i could just see about 3 floors of Unity ofiice and every pain of glass was reflecting the sun, it looked superb

Is there a line that should be drawn with regard to red brick? It can look good but I've never really seen L'pool as suiting it much.

Great pics all, I really like CL too. Alex is still painfully slow I see.

Its by far the best development ,to date, at the Princes Dock, it looks bloody good to me. City Lofts phase two will look very different having red brick cladding and close up to the dock wall, should look a bit like "Albert Dock".


I agree it's by far the best development at the Princes' Dock to date but then that's not very difficult. It was definately needed and with Alex should bring a decent feel to the place, but I think it's just average.

those middle two pics dave are excellent. stunning. beautiful. wow. great light

those middle two pics dave are excellent. stunning. beautiful. wow. great light

Hoping to take some pics from the top of the building in the new year :)

Taken from central docks just b4 it pissed down :runaway:

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Im all new to this uploading thingy:ohno: -- does enyone know how can stop the image quality from going crap??

Use Photobucket. It doesnt screw up your images as much as imageshack does. You have to register though, and pics take a bit longer to upload.

Great pics Mike and welcome :cheers:
I think photobucket automatically resize images if they're over half a Mb. Maybe imageshack do the same.

The pic looks fine to me, btw

Hi Night-Mike. Great pic...I can't wait for the major schemes there to be finished. there is a meeting on the 7th Jan, would be nice to see you there.

Thanks for the info guys :)

Is it just me that thinks that picture looks like it was taken years ago? lol.. Would've easily believed it was from the 80s if I didn't know the city that well, lol..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v421/Martin_S/Comparison%20Dec%2004/Cnv00010.jpg
Here you go Fergal Sharky, one from the Martin S files from 2002.

New Years Day

City Lofts through the Round window

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Looking good, does anyone have any recent photos of this, it must be almost complete externally now?

Inq,
here's a few pics taken last week :cheers:

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Fuckin ell Dave! That first one is incredible, imagine the same viewpoint once (if) the tobacco warehouse and the docks have been regenerated, and new towers have been built?!

Inq,
here's a few pics taken last week :cheers:

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its a funny thing prices dock. its almost like a small contained guide to how liverpool has changed over the past 10 years.. starting from when the crown plaza and crb actually looked like a monumental acheivement for our regeneration.. to gradually raising the bar to city lofts and malmaison.. can't wait til central docks so we can see the next stage of this pattern

Thats the quickest reply to a photo request I've ever had, congratulations and thankyou! This building is looking really nice in a art deco kind of way, it fits in perfectly with Beetham aswell, although I don't really like the back as much as the front.

Fuckin ell Dave! That first one is incredible, imagine the same viewpoint once (if) the tobacco warehouse and the docks have been regenerated, and new towers have been built?!

yeah, within the next 10-15 years, the city will hopefully look spectacular

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Here you go Fergal Sharky, one from the Martin S files from 2002.

how things have changed in 4 years

i know, look at the state of JMU with them shittie windows, beetham was just ground work, 1PD wasnt even though of nor was Unity, great stuff:cheers:

Well that view, apart from the new lighting columns and the start of Beetham 1, had not changed since the mid-Seventies when RSA was completed. Now it is almost unrecognisable.

Go-ahead for 121-flat block
Feb 7 2006
Liverpool Echo

LUXURY flats developer City Lofts is to build a second apartments block on the Liverpool waterfront.

The London-based property company is currently building a 162-apartments block, worth £38m, on Princes Dock.

The council has now given planning permission for a second 121 one and two-bedroom apartment development on the adjacent Princes Half Tide plot.

Building work will start on the nine-storey project later this year and City Lofts development director Tony Brooks said: "The transformation of brownfield sites alongside Liverpool's waterfront will benefit the whole city.

"We are proud to play our part in the transformation of this prime location into a desirable residential address."

The land belongs to Princes Dock Development Company, part of Mersey Docks and Harbour Company which was bought last year by the Peel Group, owner of John Lennon airport.

How many floors we looking at? Guesses?

How many floors we looking at? Guesses?
This will be 9 floors. :)

Building work will start on the nine-storey project later this year and City Lofts development director Tony Brooks said: "The transformation of brownfield sites alongside Liverpool's waterfront will benefit the whole city.

How many floors we looking at? Guesses?
Ten (10)?

How many floors we looking at? Guesses?

Tough one that Accy Boy, :weirdo: I would put half-a-crown on 8 + ground floor :)

cant wait to see princes dock when it is completed, who knows when that will be though.

I don't think City Lofts have released an image of this development, but they have said it will be clad in red brick!! As Woody pointed out, it will have to blend in with Lady D's pad on Waterloo Dock, so I'm not expecting anything much different from that building.

ive just read in the dp that the new city lofts has been approved at 9 stories. and also that alexandra tower will start building work march 6th

Does the march 6th work mean it will start properly, eg the crane up r more foundation work

i dont know. it just mentioned that laing o rourke would be starting the construction work on that date. so hopefully it wont be too long before it starts making its appearence

i dont know. it just mentioned that laing o rourke would be starting the construction work on that date. so hopefully it wont be too long before it starts making its appearence

Do you like crisps? :) :runaway: :jk:

A few shots from yesterday. Cracking views from the top :cheers:

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picture 5 shows the potential central docklands has... cant wait till Peeln get there act together on this.

Bloody hell you really get into some places Dave, great pics and from a totally new vantage point. I hope LCC planners and people who moan about tall buildings have a look at your pics and finally realise tall is not bad, tall can be great!! thanks for posting them!!

You are a gem dave :cheers: I bet these apartments will sell like hotcakes with that view.

picture 5 shows the potential central docklands has... cant wait till Peeln get there act together on this.


yeah very true

in the third picture, there is an empty site between city lofts and the PD car park, is that one of the free plots still left?

in the third picture, there is an empty site between city lofts and the PD car park, is that one of the free plots still left?

Sure is, its down on the old master plan as office space, but I am sure that Peel will have ditched that and are planning something a tad more exciting.

Dave , a super set of photos, have you tried to get to the top of Beetham tower ?

Great pics. That real English roof garden at RSA is surreal. never seen that before.

Great pics. That real English roof garden at RSA is surreal. never seen that before.

Blabbs, the garden actually sits of the roof of the Liverpool Daily Post and Echo `print hall`. Which is it self behind the LDP&E building on Old Hall Street.

The garden has had a make over since the last time I saw it (some years ago) when it also had `open water` which I think may have been used for cooling purposes within the complex.

It does illustrate though how with a bit more imagination the new developments could also contain `roof gardens and parks` for the new city centre `downtown`.

The RSA has similar potential for a little greenery and even maybe a bit of commercial space .....

:) :cheers:

Taken earlier today :cheers:
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Excellent photos Dave, those 3 story flats in the 1st pic are fuckin lame, what a waste. I bet they get under Peel's skin every time they see them.

those 3 story flats in the 1st pic are fuckin lame, what a waste. I bet they get under Peel's skin every time they see them.
Sebo thinks they're fab :) :runaway:

I think they are all great, really show our city off in a positive light :)

LoL! Probably the most unfortunate example of what you get when you try to dictate skyline and inkeeping 'aesthetics' in a dynamic if tired city...especially when taken from the weired perspective of trying to reconstruct 'former glories'

The irony is that our great victorian forebears will be turning in their graves at the low aspirations and lack of balls and ambition we have been infected with.

Could you imagine the debates over ST Georges Hall if EH etc had been around them days... "well, the lunatic assylum (the infimary that originally stood where SGH is)is the most prominent building in the city so should be fully and properly defered to. The new hall must not intrude in the lanscape, but sit there demurely not intruding on the splendid Quenn Anne vistas of our great provincial port. For loftyness we also have the historic windmill, which has been in the ownership of the local laird for many a genration and must not be dominated by new fangled constructions. No. We would prefer it if the scheme did not go ahead and the lunatic assylum were restored to its full glory instead, but if you must build, then build it low line and take it off that plinth...why do we need all those unescesary steps that just add to the bulk and imposition...outlandish"

Stupid bastards!

Hopefully Peel have the aspirations and ambition to offer the owners a decent sum of money to fuck off, rip them down and start again.......hopefully

LoL! Probably the most unfortunate example of what you get when you try to dictate skyline and inkeeping 'aesthetics' in a dynamic if tired city...especially when taken from the weired perspective of trying to reconstruct 'former glories'

The irony is that our great victorian forebears will be turning in their graves at the low aspirations and lack of balls and ambition we have been infected with.

Could you imagine the debates over ST Georges Hall if EH etc had been around them days... "well, the lunatic assylum (the infimary that originally stood where SGH is)is the most prominent building in the city so should be fully and properly defered to. The new hall must not intrude in the lanscape, but sit there demurely not intruding on the splendid Quenn Anne vistas of our great provincial port. For loftyness we also have the historic windmill, which has been in the ownership of the local laird for many a genration and must not be dominated by new fangled constructions. No. We would prefer it if the scheme did not go ahead and the lunatic assylum were restored to its full glory instead, but if you must build, then build it low line and take it off that plinth...why do we need all those unescesary steps that just add to the bulk and imposition...outlandish"

Stupid bastards!

Ha ha ha.

Yes, a truly unbelievable situation. These heritage twats have actually managed to secure themselves well-paid and powerful careers based on purely made-up nonsense. Never mind if it damages the aspirations of millions of ordinary people who just want jobs and a reasonable standard of living. Never mind if it reduces an historically progressive city to a mere imitation, a Barratt business park!

Funny, how the heritage movement appears to be shooting itself in the foot though. With all this red brick, shoe box shite that is acceptable and being built, how will heritage freaks ever have anything to protect in the future, and have salaries to earn?

Just to take Tony's analogy a bit further back in time, and to demonstrate the true and shocking idiocy of the heritage movement, as manifested in the city of Liverpool. Can anybody imagine what things might have been like if EH et al. had been around before the Normans arrived?
There wouldn't even be a city today, it would be a fucking forest with a bunch of fields and mud...
"This here oak tree and its amenity must be protected. Views of this oak tree from that there distant brook and from that there river, and from that there rocky crevice, MUST (!) be protected. This here oak tree represents hundreds of years of this area's history. This tree and its immediate environs extending 10000 hand-spans shall be protected by the laws governing this here land."

Ridiculous analogy. But the logic is exactly the same as that being applied right now. Scary. The utter stupidity of the present situation is not to be underestimated, nor is the ability of political elites to use what ever nonsense is necessary and possible to protect their own arses at the expense of everybody else.

Don't think I'll be posting many more pics of this development, apart from including it in waterfront shots, so I'll sign off with this big bugger. :)

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Sebo, I emailed your post off to English Heretics, and asked them to come up with a design suitable, considering your argument. This is what they came up with.

Behold! St Georges Hall, E.H. stylee :cheers:
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Bunnyman - that pic won't show

... but Dave, what a pic to finish the City Lofts profile on!

Reported in this weeks Construction News:............

Peel Holdings has sent plans for a £1.2 billion retail and leisure development to city planners.............. Sorry not Liverpool but ...... GLASGOW.

Still it does bode well for Central Docks in the future, Peel do like to do it BIG. :okay:

Good spot Woody, as you say this could be an indicator to Peel's ambition for that area.

oooo, thats very interesting, hopefully they should put that amount, or more into the central docks.

Good spot Woody, as you say this could be an indicator to Peel's ambition for that area.

Doug , with Grosvenor and Peel both in the city, I am sure even more exciting times lay ahead, despite the efforts of our Heritage Police.

Will any body be in town Saturday afternoon ? I may pop down to the Doctors around 3pm if anybodys fancys a pint.

At £1.2b this is bigger than PSDA!! it may take that level of investment to really transform central docks, let's hope that the planning concessions Peel won off the council for the cruise liner berth materialise in something very special that we all know this area is crying out for!!

See you on Sat about 3:00pm in the Doctor's surgery.

At £1.2b this is bigger than PSDA!! it may take that level of investment to really transform central docks, let's hope that the planning concessions Peel won off the council for the cruise liner berth materialise in something very special that we all know this area is crying out for!!

See you on Sat about 3:00pm in the Doctor's surgery.

It was way back in May of 2003 that Mersey Docks and Harbour Co. won OUTLINE planning permission for the70 acre Central Docks, they planned over 1850 homes on the site. Bet Peel will have far grander ideas that MDHC.

Cheers Doug , I am working in the morning and plan to get the 14.15 train getting into Lime St at 15.25, so will see at at the Docs around 3-30.

The excellent City Lofts yesterday, it seems that the glass in the windows which had been fitted had a flaw in it. All the window panels have been replaced delaying completion of this scheme by 3 months, expect completion around June.


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Excellent shots Doug. City Lots is looking good!

Thanks Red, CL phase 2 should be interesting. I hope were not too disappointed with 9 stories and red brick cladding though!!

it looks mega

It does look good but you can't feeling disappointed that the residential tower isnt slightly taller.

It does look good but you can't feeling disappointed that the residential tower isnt slightly taller.

Well get used to feeling that way. Liverpool will be worthy of the nickname Stumpyville in a few years time.

have to agree with you gareth. read it and weep boys and girls but half the towers (if they ever get past this looney council's planning stage) will look puney and underdone ("the money must have ran out on that tower!") in comparison with the skylines of other british cities. unless a drastic change of direction is taken by the beaurocrats in power. i guess we can only live in hope.

manchester and salford city councils are a lot more adventureous than ours (and them spoil sports at english heritage seem to give a lot more flexibility to their proposals). infact they are light years ahead of ours in just about everyway when it comes to dynamism. just look how far ringway airport is ahead of speke (despite our recent revival). and dont forget speke airport was one of the major players in the uk after ww2, but the momentum was lost and we are still playing catch up to this day. we are only just building our first major theater venue at the kings dock (how many has manchester? 4? 5?).

Liverpool fc are yet another example of how planning permissions has always proved to be a hinderence here. remember when they were made to wait about 20 years before they could develop the kemlyn road stand (only the hillsborough trajedy facilitated the development). all the while manchester united were plowing ahead with their "theatre of dreams" (how many will it hold next season? 75,000?). i realise their ground is near an industrial estate but trafford council realise that the football ground and indeed the cricket ground are the borough's major venues and are a lot more cooperative.

I'm liking it. Its very reserved and elegant, although perhaps just a tad short ;)
Shame about the delay though.

I'm liking it. Its very reserved and elegant, although perhaps just a tad short ;)
Shame about the delay though.


yeah its nice and elegant alright.but way too small (welcome to stumpsville)

manchester and salford city councils are a lot more adventureous than ours

Went through Manc today on the train and the difference is frightening. Is it Beetham tower which is about 50-60 stories there? Big tall skinny building. Whatever it was, it was huge and there's no way anything like that would be built in Liverpool.

City Lofts is a 'nice' tower. Its not spectacular by any means but it does add a bit of bulk to the skyline. I don't mind stumpy towers like this right on the waterfront as I'd rather see big towers behind them. Unfortunately though I think it's going to be a long time before we see much more over 30 storeys in this City.

Went through Manc today on the train and the difference is frightening. Is it Beetham tower which is about 50-60 stories there? Big tall skinny building. Whatever it was, it was huge and there's no way anything like that would be built in Liverpool.

City Lofts is a 'nice' tower. Its not spectacular by any means but it does add a bit of bulk to the skyline. I don't mind stumpy towers like this right on the waterfront as I'd rather see big towers behind them. Unfortunately though I think it's going to be a long time before we see much more over 30 storeys in this City.


yeah i think they have many towers over the magical 30 mark (with more in the pipeline) and they are truely awe-inspiring to look at. the problem is we are never gonna get many (if any) higher than the 30 floor benchmark. some developers i think "will end up shopping around". for e.g. say when Liverpool council says no to a development, they might then go round Manchester, Leeds,etc until their plan is accepted. God why do we always have such blinkered politicians in this city. Knocks you sick doesnt it.

Went through Manc today on the train and the difference is frightening. Is it Beetham tower which is about 50-60 stories there? Big tall skinny building. Whatever it was, it was huge and there's no way anything like that would be built in Liverpool.

City Lofts is a 'nice' tower. Its not spectacular by any means but it does add a bit of bulk to the skyline. I don't mind stumpy towers like this right on the waterfront as I'd rather see big towers behind them. Unfortunately though I think it's going to be a long time before we see much more over 30 storeys in this City.

Manchester Beetham is very impressive, but i think it looks out of place in the city, when you approach the city on train from the east (which i saw when coming home from an oasis gig in sheffield) its just the tower and thats all

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Great pics Red, this looks better each time I see it.

i really like this building

Thanks for all the effort put in Red it's appreciated,that first picture of city lofts is excellent by the way I'll save that one. :)

Great pictures it looks a lot better than i first thought.

Red, thanks for all your great pics on various threads, you have been a busy boy.
City Lofts looks the part, a few more to this standard and we will all be happy .

i know height isn't everything and they do look asthetically pleasing on the eye, but they just look way too small to me. this is one of the world's most famous seafronts afterall. give me height. i need height!

we need a big sixty storey fucker, or preferably two, three - on the King eddie site now. I really like thse buildings though they do scream I should have been taller!

fantastic pics red... seen some of the others around the forum also...good one!

we need a big sixty storey fucker, or preferably two, three - on the King eddie site now. I really like thse buildings though they do scream I should have been taller!

fantastic pics red... seen some of the others around the forum also...good one!

a 60 floorer! imagine that. would have me foaming at the mouth! :) but that king edward site should have a monster built on it. it will not be blocking the views of anything major behind it (so e.h. can't use that classic excuse). it is also inside the designated tall buildings zone. so what are we waiting for?

Here's one, by EH
"Residents in beetham 1 will have blocked views of Toys r us and cosco, this cannot be built" well it is EH after all

Here's one, by EH
"Residents in beetham 1 will have blocked views of Toys r us and cosco, this cannot be built" well it is EH after all


haha. dont go putting ideas in their head! :)

we need a big sixty storey fucker, or preferably two, three - on the King eddie site now. I really like thse buildings though they do scream I should have been taller!

fantastic pics red... seen some of the others around the forum also...good one!

too right!!

haha. dont go putting ideas in their head! :)

Excellent post, best in a long time!
i think that the Costco is a superlative example of the 'big box' genre of the mid to late 1980s'.. post urban ironicism at it's best... grade one * for us please?

double post AND picking up the wrong quote... I'm off to bed!

This little corner of Liverpool will have the best cluster of midrises outside London when BW is built.I really like citylofts.

Almost completed City Loft's, with the dock level being raised in the foreground, probably using P.S.D.A rubble.

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The site of City Loft's 2, (9 storey development), to the right and front. This will probably be as high as the towers on the Residential warehouse behind.
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??? are they making the water depth shallower?

??? are they making the water depth shallower?
Yes, they are, probably to make it safer with all the planned developments and associated increase in resident's, worker's and visitors.

Cheers Juxta! Great pictures :cheers:

I am looking forward to see City Lofts II on site (probably later this year). Alexandra Tower seems to finally be moving in the right direction and Malmaison is moving on nicely. Good for Princes Dock. Anyone heard anything about the New World Square, haven't we waited quite some time for a planning decision???

??? are they making the water depth shallower?

Shallower in the Half Tide Dock. On our visit yesterday we did notice the dry ground in Princes Dock, even though this dock was shallowed a while back.

I don't like the grey cladding at the top of this, otherwise it's a smart, if a little stumpy, building.

Seems to have been built very quickly. When I first registered on here I remember being excited at two proposals. Alex tower and City Lofts. One has shot up, the other.............

One of the possible extra events to mark Downtown Week is a lofts tour that if it happens, will include a tour to the top of these!

This little corner of Liverpool will have the best cluster of midrises outside London when BW is built.I really like citylofts.

Apart from Salford Quays of course!! (Until Beetham West is done i do concede!)

Apart from Salford Quays of course!! (Until Beetham West is done i do concede!)

Or maybe,just maybe someone likes the Liverpool cluster more than Salford Quays one,it is possible isn't it? :)

I think the Liverpool cluster will look better than Salford quays when Beetham west is complete. However I think the quays have the potential to look amazing in a few years especially if the huge sail shaped towers get built,if they dont I think something very tall and impressive is inevitable for the quays.

I think the Liverpool cluster will look better than Salford quays when Beetham west is complete. However I think the quays have the potential to look amazing in a few years especially if the huge sail shaped towers get built,if they dont I think something very tall and impressive is inevitable for the quays.

It's also possible something very big and impressive will be built on the site of the King Eddies pub site which would also be an addition to this cluster,and Central Docks next to Princes Dock is next on Peels agenda for a massive development which will possibly include towers so hopefully in a few years the whole area will be unrecognisable,I hope so anyway.

The City Lofts entrance area today. They are taking a long time to install the glazed screens round here but the towers themselves are getting better and better as the hoist masts are removed and windows completed.

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The site for the proposed Phase II (38 storeys?) with the Half Tide Dock on the left and Waterloo Warehouse in the background. I think the tower would be built on the wider area nearer the camera.

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It's also possible something very big and impressive will be built on the site of the King Eddies pub site which would also be an addition to this cluster,and Central Docks next to Princes Dock is next on Peels agenda for a massive development which will possibly include towers so hopefully in a few years the whole area will be unrecognisable,I hope so anyway.

I was just saying the same thing to the wife, thats the derelict pub isnt it?

I was just saying the same thing to the wife, thats the derelict pub isnt it?

Yes it's crying out to be developed.

It will spoil the views of the Toys R Us and Costco - said a spokesman(c) !


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It will spoil the views of the Toys R Us and Costco - said a spokesman(c) !


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Not only that, it will spoil the view from Toys R Us and Costco. You wouldn't want your kid exposed to a non-heritage townscape following his first visit to Father Christmas.

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What a gorgeous warehouse. I hate to sound like a nimby, but I hope the new tower doesnt impact too greatly on the warehouse. Its too precious.
That retail park has got to go though. There isnt a Matalan there... is there?

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What a gorgeous warehouse. I hate to sound like a nimby, but I hope the new tower doesnt impact too greatly on the warehouse. Its too precious.
That retail park has got to go though. There isnt a Matalan there... is there?

What a pity then that they knocked down the matching wharehouse then.....heritage idiots.

I can`t see however the local retail park being there in five years.....Toys`r`us, Costco or not.

Maro (Matalan) Towers 2 and 3 perhaps.

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Maro (Matalan) Towers 2 and 3 perhaps.

Do you think they'd bother with the crap they're going through with "Maro 1"? ;)

Something has to crack this summer... either the suffocating heritage bind will go.... or the prospects of the city undergoing anything other than 'heritage tourist boom'

Irony is that 'heritage tourists' like their landscapes to be the genuine artcle..not mainly made up of facsimile approximations... by people with bad taste to boot!

So if we can't grow like a 'normal' city... and the twee heritage 'looky-likey' obsession fails to deliver a 'real olde worlde feel' then we will be fucked on all counts... let's get baack to doing what we are best at... being a spcial 'normal' city? would have th normal tourists flocking in then, to get the vibe of a shit-hot metropolis.

I hope the heritage lobby will crack!! let's not forget that Peel have negotiated "planning concessions" from LCC during their talks on the cruise liner facility. The worry I had with this was what if the Lib-Dems lose control of LCC in the forth coming elections?? what then?? but then I read somewhere that these planning concessions were legally binding agreements. It would be very interesting to know what they were.

On second thoughts maybe EH's stanglehold has already been loosened by that High Court decision on Elysian Fields??

They're grasping, dogmatic bastards.. they will not give up so easily... too many saleries depend on suffocating Liverpool now.

This is why policy is so important. A new party could change policy, though not retrospectively, but you can set what ever policy you want (within gov guidelines)... if a policy is in place it is harder to overturn decisions... so an 'anti' tall building policy, when formalised will kill any prospects of developers pushing through a schem... something most developers cannot afford to do anyway. The viewpoint and aspirations of policy makers needs to change in the city or development will continue to be limited and intefered with... like EH should be put in their plaace as they are in London and Manchester... we still cozy up to them and see them as having an important role to play.

City Loft's with one of those "UltraBrite Toothpaste" teeth twinkle's. Ping.....

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As in like smile for the camera Jux?

:)

What FIRM proposals are there for the sites between this and the MSCP?

Is it just me that hates City Lofts? They look ugly from every angle except looking straight on at the front... which hardly anyone will get to see. And the smaller one just looks rubbish, if they were both the same height it wouldn't be so bad.

I don't think they belong in such a good location. It's a waste.

The plans for Princes Dock seem very fluid at the moment. In the original revised masterplan, City Lofts was to have been 11 storeys and Alexandra 17, whilst the block on the half - tide dock would have been around 4/5 - now there is talk of a 38 storey tower.

It's a long time since any new office development was proposed for Princes, so I expect that the infill block between the MSCP and City Lofts will be an office block and I could see it being about ten storeys tall to match the adjacent buildings.

I think City Lofts will look a lot different if it is viewed as one in a series of buildings fronting onto the dock. We will have some time to wait for that though.

Is it just me that hates City Lofts? They look ugly from every angle except looking straight on at the front... which hardly anyone will get to see. And the smaller one just looks rubbish, if they were both the same height it wouldn't be so bad.

I don't think they belong in such a good location. It's a waste.

Welcome eyeam, and Yes me thinks that you are the only person to "hate" the City Lofts towers. :) Most on this forum (me included) like the development. The smaller tower is we think a planning requirement., the original MDHC plan had outline planning permission for 5 storey limit along that side of the dock, this was increased to 8 storeys back in 2004. with an increased height allowed for the revised Malmaison Hotel both will be similar in height. I am guessing here but don`t be surprised if the open space between City Lofts and the MSCP is also capped to 10 storeys, then the shorter City Lofts tower will make visual sense.