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Skopje is certainly one of my least favorite cities in the Balkan region. It doesn't really give off any type of "flare" to the people, indicating it is special. Some of the areas are VERY poorly kept, and that is a shame to see. I am fully aware of the HUGE earthquake a while back, but isn't that plenty of time to get some nice buildings going? :dunno:

Anway's...I really hope someone joins the forum from Macedonia, to proove my negative thoughts about Skopje around. :yes:

:cheers1:

well at leaste Skopje looks Beautiful in those pictures :)

Does anyone have any Macedonian friend that they can contact, and tell us a little more about the country, some photos, anything? :dunno:

Mila,

You seem to know a lot about Macedonia. Have you ever been there?

Yes, of course, Yugoboy. It's hard to find a place I've not been. ;) I love travelling.

Have you beeen tooo uhmmm TESLIC? heheheh (I think I found the place)

The thing I remember most about Macedonia was the attitude towards conflict, Timur & Yugoboy...in general, I mean, not a specific view of any aspect of our war.

They remind me of Italians in Macedonia. "So, it's shit? Well, then it's shit. What's crying going to go? What's fighting going to do? Still shit, and less to enjoy it. So sit back."

;) Love their attitude.

The thing I remember most about Macedonia was the attitude towards conflict, Timur & Yugoboy...in general, I mean, not a specific view of any aspect of our war.

They remind me of Italians in Macedonia. "So, it's shit? Well, then it's shit. What's crying going to go? What's fighting going to do? Still shit, and less to enjoy it. So sit back."

;) Love their attitude.


Yes, smart attitudes towards war, but IF something goes wrong, it's clear they won't be ready. I mean, let's say someone is dropping bombs on them, what are they going to say? "What's fighting going to do? Still shit, and less to enjoy it. So sit back." :D Well, I'm sure they'll win that war. ;) :lol:

such a beautiful city!

^ :D

How did Macedonia avoid the bad war of the Balkans???

The same way Slovenia did. :) The war only took place, in a severe sense, in areas - outside of Serbia - where large numbers of Serbs lived. Slovenia and Macedonia's Serbian populations were so small that there was no one to fight them. The Serbian Army did still attack Slovenia, but was driven away in 10 days.

There was, however, a similar problem in Macedonia with the Albanian minority. Things became very tense for a short time, but Macedonia handled it in a mature, humane way - and the two sides have found a peace that is acceptible to both.

^ I should mention, there are of course still significant tensions. I would compare Skopje to Mostar in the sense that it is a city divided. You have the central, downtown core as a sort of utopian, ethnic/religiously mixed buffer zone - but the south end of the city is Christian, and fairly strict, and the north end - the "Old town" district - is Muslim; either Slavic or Albanian. These two groups are divided as well. So on the Muslim side of the town you have an east and west side, the larger being the East side - which is Albanian.

Of course it never actually seems this bad because the Macedonians have held on to a sense of civility. You simply can't say or do things there that you could do in Belgrade, Zagreb, and Sarajevo in the early 1990s. It's not socially acceptible.

The city of Kumanova is where all the troubles started but thankfully the dispute was settled peacefully :)

http://home.online.no/~bmatos/artimages/FF16.jpg

Wow...Mila, you really know how to make a thread?

I'm sure Skoplje is charming city, but I'm not too keen on it...the old part is nice, but commie part isn't exeacly "beautifull".
But again, it's capital city of one country, and I'm sure it will be nice, big city one day ;)

The same way Slovenia did. :) The war only took place, in a severe sense, in areas - outside of Serbia - where large numbers of Serbs lived. Slovenia and Macedonia's Serbian populations were so small that there was no one to fight them. The Serbian Army did still attack Slovenia, but was driven away in 10 days.

There was, however, a similar problem in Macedonia with the Albanian minority. Things became very tense for a short time, but Macedonia handled it in a mature, humane way - and the two sides have found a peace that is acceptible to both.
I thought it was because Macedonia is Orthodox Christian country and Serbs couldnt fight against another fellow Christian Orthodox country.

^ Well there are tensions there. The Macedonians as we speak are trying to rid themselves of what they call "implants", which are Priests from the Serbian Orthodox Church. Now, how different they were in the past - who knows, you'd have to compare them. But in terms of wishing to go foreward with a distinct Macedonian Orthodox Church, this is their goal at the time. All of this has little to do with the war, though, developed years later and probably would've come after communism fell even if it did so peacefully.

And as for not wishing to hurt their Orthodox brothers and sisters, California - Milosevic committed many terrible acts against Serbs, even within Serbia; the population there certainly didn't rise up against him for our sake. ;) As for the soldiers - tell me, how could the soldiers on the hills around Sarajevo tell who was Serbian and who was not before they fired their sniper rifles, or launched a shell. You would feel sick to your stomach to know how many innocent Serbs in Vuckovar, Sarajevo, Mostar, Bihac, etc, etc, etc were killed by their own nationalists.

You people are straying off topic! No need to talk about the past in this interesting topic:)

Great pictures Mila, i'll dig up some from webshots that i can find!

I'm not so sure how to do that Mila, making them smaller so you just click on them.

http://image24.webshots.com/24/8/44/45/303384445LKovvF_ph.jpg

http://image40.webshots.com/40/4/92/14/293849214ewSctl_ph.jpg

Here you can see the old train station in the back! :)

http://image46.webshots.com/46/8/59/54/303385954DxJCJD_fs.jpg

http://image46.webshots.com/47/8/64/17/303386417zgLhhp_ph.jpg

http://image46.webshots.com/46/8/62/99/303386299mNwwZg_ph.jpg

http://image24.webshots.com/24/8/75/57/303387557jQTJok_ph.jpg

http://image26.webshots.com/27/8/67/16/303386716IBZfjH_ph.jpg



Of course this is only from the internet. If anyone has any personal recent pictures feel free to post them!

Pbase has some interesting pictures as well. Does anyone know much about the city? Like it's population, when i search i get varying numbers.

http://misheli.image.pbase.com/u12/alangrant/upload/38180383.Macedonia2004_PICT6087.JPG



I can't find much, others have people in them:p

sorry for the offtopic, but how could there have been a serbian invasion when officials in Skopje were and still are more serbian than serbs themselves...
I think skopje is not hideous, maybe dull, but then again it has it's charm, like any balkan city :)
Mila, you have toured every place in the region, you have pictures of everything, is Bulgaria an exception?

^ Well there are tensions there. The Macedonians as we speak are trying to rid themselves of what they call "implants", which are Priests from the Serbian Orthodox Church. Now, how different they were in the past - who knows, you'd have to compare them. But in terms of wishing to go foreward with a distinct Macedonian Orthodox Church, this is their goal at the time. All of this has little to do with the war, though, developed years later and probably would've come after communism fell even if it did so peacefully.

And as for not wishing to hurt their Orthodox brothers and sisters, California - Milosevic committed many terrible acts against Serbs, even within Serbia; the population there certainly didn't rise up against him for our sake. ;) As for the soldiers - tell me, how could the soldiers on the hills around Sarajevo tell who was Serbian and who was not before they fired their sniper rifles, or launched a shell. You would feel sick to your stomach to know how many innocent Serbs in Vuckovar, Sarajevo, Mostar, Bihac, etc, etc, etc were killed by their own nationalists.
Thanks Mila for the explanation :-)

Hey would you people be willing to see more pictures of Skopje? I can get some off some friends that come from that area??

Fantastic thread, It looks better than I imagined :)

Hey would you people be willing to see more pictures of Skopje? I can get some off some friends that come from that area??


Yes, that would be excellent. I really want to see "newest" pictures of Skopje, ones that show the daily life in Skopje. :)

Ok, my friend can give me some pictures, i'll just have to upload them:)

Ok, my friend can give me some pictures, i'll just have to upload them:)


i can't wait...

Ok my friend gave me some pictures and a useful website!

This is the church Nerezi, St. Pantelaimon in the vicinity of Skopje i believe,

http://tinypic.com/4io96a

Interior,

http://tinypic.com/4io9s1

The main square of Skopje,

http://tinypic.com/4io9ir

Their carsija,

http://tinypic.com/4io9pi

http://tinypic.com/4iofhe

http://tinypic.com/4iofp0

Some of these are in winter other's are not,

http://tinypic.com/4ioia0

http://tinypic.com/4ioilw


http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_04.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_05.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_47.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_49.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_51.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_59.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_40.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_42.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_44.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_60.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_64.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_67.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_74.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_82.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_48.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_03.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_06.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_07.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_08.jpg

http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_55.jpg


This is a pretty cool website, has virtual tours!
A Church courtyard in Skopje
http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/?ItemID=15D345120A62CB40BDE7C781E769D045

That Church i showed earlier,
http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/?ItemID=F819BC952C709F43A978BA6433D83BD5

And a Mosque,
http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/?ItemID=B1BB6C8B3E4A894D8E126911D75C5585

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/8168/14679586273sk7no.jpg

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/3018/14679588276sk6xw.jpg

http://img190.echo.cx/img190/6062/14679593284sk7rq.jpg

great finds Draco and Mila!
gave me a better idea of what the city looks overall

GREAT PICTURES DRACO! :yes: Those are some of the pictures that the city REALLY needed to help it's image.

I am not crazy about Skopje
Ohrid is the best looking city in Macedonia in my opinion and it would make more sense if it became the capital simply because has more history and beauty of course

^yes but sometimes it's better not to have the capital in the best city, think about the bureaucracy that will have to move and how all the new govt staff will create more traffic for the touristic city of Ohrid. IMO this is the best way for Macedonia

Yeah they're really good pictures Draco.

Ohrid is an attractive city but for it to become capital?? No way! Ohrid should remain that small city, perched on the lake Ohrid.

yeah. besides, ohrid has been a capital already. of the Bulgarian empire, under Samuil. :poke:
http://www.macedoniancities.com/photos/skopje/skopje_04.jpg
nice ped. zone

Some more photo's of Skopje.

http://tinypic.com/5b69m8

http://tinypic.com/5b6a2r

http://tinypic.com/5b6afs

http://tinypic.com/5b6uya

http://tinypic.com/5b6v85

http://tinypic.com/5b7142

Great photos dejan
Skopje is improving and that's great
I will make a trip there next year for sure , i have never been to Skopje.

A few more...

http://tinypic.com/5b72p3

http://tinypic.com/5b75lv

http://img283.echo.cx/img283/2162/618268dscf0010resize14zm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6168/153348velevskopjekrst114nb.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Skopje is worth a visit, if you're in the region.

Some more....

http://tinypic.com/5b78e9

http://tinypic.com/5b78up

http://tinypic.com/5b7amp

Does every Eastern European capital city have a Fortress?

Skopje is a very Interesting City to me! I really like Macedonian people, and I always see Their programs on Canadian TV, now and then. Skopje seems to be a nice city, obviously not as beautiful as Belgrade, Sarajevo, or the rest of the Former Yugoslav Capital's, but it also has it's own uniqueness. I haven’t seen much good pictures of the city, until now Dejan! Those pictures are great! I Especially like the Panoramic, and ones from the Sky... but this one below is by far my favourite! :)

http://tinypic.com/5b75lv

I believe most Eastern European capital cities do have a some sort of fortress or castle over looking their city;) Or a Church.

Yeah, every former Yugo capital has something unique about it! That photo is very interesting, i like it as well, nice composition. I'll get more pictures this week and post them here:)

Tirana as a city does not have any but the county of Tirana has not 1 but about 5 or 6 i think.

I like macedonians as well.They are cool neighbours.
Many albanians from Albania go to Macedonia to visit since we have open borders i think it's great for the economy.
Macedonia has a lot to offer even though it doesnt have a coastline it has other natural beauty.
I encourage people to visit Macedonia because it's a beautiful country.

Dejan , could you find us some pictures of Ohrid Lake?

Tirana as a city does not have any but the county of Tirana has not 1 but about 5 or 6 i think.

I like macedonians as well.They are cool neighbours.
Many albanians from Albania go to Macedonia to visit since we have open borders i think it's great for the economy.
Macedonia has a lot to offer even though it doesnt have a coastline it has other natural beauty.
I encourage people to visit Macedonia because it's a beautiful country.
Is there still hatred between the Macedonian slavs and Albanians?

Is there still hatred between the Macedonian slavs and Albanians?

There never was hatred between albanians and macedonians.
What happened in 2001 was unfortunate but ever since then things have gone great.
In Albania we have no negative opinions about macedonians at all.
Our countries' presidents meet 3-4 times a year :cheers:

Football rules, i have posted a lot of good photo's of Ohrid here, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=173056&page=4&pp=20 i'll search around for some more this week.

There was never hatred between Macedonians and Albanians, just political stuff, which i don't want to pursue here:)

More photo's of Skopje coming soon!

Ok , thanks.
Great photo of the city

http://www.ohrid.com.mk/images/galleria/od%20kulite2.JPG

That big cross on the hill, why was it built? Isn't it provoking muslim population of Skoplje...?

In Mostar same thing was done by Croats, and Bosniaks are complaining to that cross, and it could be removed.

That big cross on the hill, why was it built? Isn't it provoking muslim population of Skoplje...?

In Mostar same thing was done by Croats, and Bosniaks are complaining to that cross, and it could be removed.

Pavle, I don't think that the Skopje muslim population are offended of it if the christian communities pulled up the cross to show there love of there religion.

While in Bosnia, the huge cross is something else. Croats have pulled up the huge cross there for a reason and it's not a religious reason. The same case about the huge church tower in Mostar. The same thing can be said about some mosques around Mostar, Mosques witht two minarets that are also high, they don't represent religion.

I am not asking for the cross to be removed, if people like that huge cross on the mountain so be it. I am not the one to judge their agenda, but IMO their agenda is something different then religious.

As far as i know, the Cross on Vodno (the mountain) was built to commerorate 2000 years of Christianity, something like that, it was not built to provoke the Muslims.

Other photo's of Skopje

Part of the park, quite long
http://img277.echo.cx/img277/5832/153249velevskopjeparkpanorama1.jpg

http://img285.echo.cx/img285/2155/387562707700314vz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img274.echo.cx/img274/9026/6182130000431resize7ej.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img282.echo.cx/img282/7298/1018822nokjna6bz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/6682/592986sk9ge.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img264.echo.cx/img264/3690/434193p1000712filtered8op.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img265.echo.cx/img265/5220/335573skopje10qp.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img262.echo.cx/img262/3847/41783imgp02698nn.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://img281.echo.cx/img281/5637/1018284dremka6ut.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

This was made from 7 photo's, quite long
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6600/618439skopje0dy.jpg

looks really nice.

Here is a link with photo's that show Before and After.
http://www.lukaroski.com/forum/novi_fasadi/skopje.asp

Nice update, I really like the one with Mother Theresa under the snow :P

That one was interesting hey;)

few more photo's of Skopje

This is Alexandar Palace. Next to it a new Sporting Centre is being built.
http://tinypic.com/5kenph

http://img127.echo.cx/img127/3444/1307913klupikaleskopje8in.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

http://tinypic.com/5keq8k

A nice panorama
http://img278.echo.cx/img278/9971/1352126skopjepanoramakale15gp.th.jpg (http://img278.echo.cx/my.php?image=1352126skopjepanoramakale15gp.jpg)

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/6503/19mo1.jpg
Heading into Zagreb

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/6606/17ds.jpg
http://img22.echo.cx/img22/4078/11tw.jpg
Ilica Street

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/4943/15ep3.jpg
http://img22.echo.cx/img22/3931/11od.jpg
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/237/19da1.jpg
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/5742/11gv.jpg
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/3448/18px.jpg
Josiph Jelacica Square

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/4738/19qr.jpg
http://img22.echo.cx/img22/6218/13sy.jpg
Croatian National Theatre

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/7118/14es.jpg
Zagreb Street

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/9641/11rt.jpg
http://img22.echo.cx/img22/3899/16ah1.jpg
Strosmajerova

http://img267.echo.cx/img267/6156/18no.jpg
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/1010/11zf.jpg
Cathedral of the Assumption

And the best for last...Zagreb's skyline
http://img267.echo.cx/img267/1517/17mp.jpg

Nice pix, maybe I go to Zagreb this summer with a friend of mine, he is croat and we are planing a little tour to Croatia. Hope he will get some free days of his job.:)

It's worthwhile visiting Zagreb. It's very Austro-Hungarian in style, in my opinion, but it isn't stuffy or snobby or dry like Vienna and, to a lesser extent, Budapest. It still has the life of a Balkan city, the constant movement, activity, chaos.

^ nah, i think Zagreb is an extremely snobby place, at first sight you likely won't get that impression, but spend more time in this city and you will see what i am talking :)

Well it depends on your friends, Bubach. Perhaps your impression of Zagreb is somewhat skewed. I could say spend more time in Sarajevo and you'll see the people are nothing but drunken whores; but that's just my friends. ;) I have to see past that. :D

I could say spend more time in Sarajevo and you'll see the people are nothing but drunken whores; but that's just my friends.


Sarajevo sounds like a good place for holyldays! :banana:

^ nah, i think Zagreb is an extremely snobby place, at first sight you likely won't get that impression, but spend more time in this city and you will see what i am talking :)

My friend is from Zagreb and he still has family there, I think he will be able to show me the true Zagreb :D

Most of my friends including myself, we are modest and therefore it makes me/us even more competent to see what Zagreb feels like. It aint for sure anymore what it used to be like before 1990. Zagreb could be a very cold place sometimes.

^ Are you deformed in any way? Do you have three eyes or arms? :D I found Zagreb was very nice, friendly.

I have a lot of ties with Zagreb. Even though I have never actually been in the city. My father Studied there, The Last Major of Teslic (before the War) now lives there, We have friends there, and one of my best friends is from Zagreb. I drove through it though, and my first impression was that it was a Large, sunny place. I remember a lot of large white, commieblocks. We must of drove through New Zagreb, since I didn't see one Austrio-Hungarion Building. Fondest memory was that we had to pay to go to the washroom at the gass station! LOL. I can't wait to take a real visit to the city! :D :cheers:

^ Are you deformed in any way? Do you have three eyes or arms? :D


It is not nice to make fun of disabled people!!! I know from experience, cause I have three legs!!! :cry: :mad2:











:hilarious

Meanwhile, back on the farm...

Lassie was barking her goddamn ass off because natural selection hadn't taken care of little Timmy yet.

^ Are you deformed in any way? Do you have three eyes or arms? :D I found Zagreb was very nice, friendly.

None of the things you mentioned above, i just have a long tail and it gives me such a headache until i finaly tie it to my left leg :D

I am glad you found Zagreb to be a nice and friendly place, i also think it is still a lovely place in terms of some old traditional values and look of the city, but i am talking about something else here, it is one thing to visit some place, and totaly another thing to be a part of it (live there) , get it ? ;) :)

^ Yes, I understand. :)

None of the things you mentioned above, i just have a long tail and it gives me such a headache until i finaly tie it to my left leg :D




:D Only animals have tails like a fox for example! If you are speaking of a penis you musst write cock, prick, dong or dick!;):D

how about doodle or cabana? :D

The city looks really good, nice architechture:). How far is Zagreb from Sarajevo and Ljubjana respectivley?

I don't know , but its 400 kilometers from Belgrade.

^^ I Knew that from a travel guide I dug up from my dads bookshelf dated 1986...Thats why I asked for Sarajevo and Ljubjana :)

theres a lot of albanians in zagreb

theres a lot of albanians in zagreb

teher are allot of albanians all over balkan. Those rats.

Those rats.


:|

What a romantic thread....

teher are allot of albanians all over balkan. Those rats.


:no: :| :no:

kosova_kastrioti - Please don't reply to his insult. It'll only make your chances of getting banned higher. Resist, ok? :)

^ Don't worry about it, Mimica. Rats are actually a very intelligent, highly social species. They've been tremendously successful and have managed to exploit virtually every imaginable ecosystem on the face of the planet - with the exception, of course, of marine ecosystems. Rats have been around long before the age of human beings, and will probably be around long after.

It's the uneducated, hopelessly narrow minded, overweight, dirty, disgusting wannabe-exterminator who should be ashamed.

;)

Well it depends on your friends, Bubach. Perhaps your impression of Zagreb is somewhat skewed. I could say spend more time in Sarajevo and you'll see the people are nothing but drunken whores; but that's just my friends. ;) I have to see past that. :D

lol, Mila, I love your cynicism, and frank and positive outlook, lol, BTW, nice pics, I prefer Ljubljana, but Zagreb is one of my other favourite places.

how about doodle or cabana? :D

The city looks really good, nice architechture:). How far is Zagreb from Sarajevo and Ljubjana respectivley?


From Sarajevo could be 550km, from Ljubljana, 125-135km, depends which route you take, Airport to Airport is 135km, city centre to city centre is 125km. There are no direct flight from Ljubljana to Zagreb as a result no point, cose there is very good train and road link between two cities, but Sarajevo and Zagreb are connected by Direct flights, Croatian Airlines and Austrian Airlines fly from Zagreb to Sarajevo.

theres a lot of albanians in zagreb

Hahaha...don't tell me it will be part of "Great Albania" :colgate:

P.S. I think Hollandski KGB was joking, but hey...Russian humor isn't always clear for non Slavic nations :okay:

The distance between Ljubljana and Zagreb is 137 kilometres, from city centre to city centre, that is.

teher are allot of albanians all over balkan. Those rats.

Dear filthy piece of human scum
Yes , there are plenty of albanians in Balkans and of course this would bother anyone non-albanian in the area but to go as far as calling people rats just shows your level of scumness
You russian pesticide

Hahaha...don't tell me it will be part of "Great Albania" :colgate:

P.S. I think Hollandski KGB was joking, but hey...Russian humor isn't always clear for non Slavic nations :okay:

I believe kosova_kastrioti was exagerating when he said there are a lot of albanians in Croatia , there are some but i wouldnt say a lot.

"Greater Albania" is a fictitous notion spread around by Ultra-Nationalists , especcially albanians of Macedonia.
All we want is 2 albanian states in the Balkans , we dont want a "Greater Albania"
You see , we respect Macedonia and have no intention whatsoever for Macedonia to be divided as long as we have good relations. :cheers:

Dear filthy piece of human scum
Yes , there are plenty of albanians in Balkans and of course this would bother anyone non-albanian in the area but to go as far as calling people rats just shows your level of scumness
You russian pesticide
stfu ok, never heard of a joke ? and yeah well i know many albanians but they don't have really good names in Balkan country's or greece.

^ No non-Greeks have a good reputation in Greece, and the rest of the Balkans has a bad reputation everywhere else in Europe. East Europe has a bad reputation in West Europe, and Holland and the KGB are mutual opposites. ;)

^ No non-Greeks have a good reputation in Greece, and the rest of the Balkans has a bad reputation everywhere else in Europe. East Europe has a bad reputation in West Europe, and Holland and the KGB are mutual opposites. ;)
well i'v been many times to rhodos and kos and the albanians have a bad reputation there. Most were also involved in crime. For me i can live with them, i know many albanians when i lived in germany,great culture.

All we want is 2 albanian states in the Balkans , we dont want a "Greater Albania"
You see , we respect Macedonia and have no intention whatsoever for Macedonia to be divided as long as we have good relations. :cheers:

Hahaha...you are a genious :colgate:

Hollandski_KGB
What you wrote didnt look like a joke to me and to everyone else that read it.
A lot of people think very negative of albanians but if you acctually meet one like myself from Albania and spend 5 minutes of your time with him/her , you would be very surprised.
If you hear stories of albanians commiting crimes , doing drugs and prostitution then that is the scum piece of shit kind who have no education and come from fucked up families.

You cant generalise a whole people based on the actions of a few.

i must say something about zagreb !

i haven't read the whole post; but i agree to the opinion of bubach !

through the past 5 years i've spend one week in zagreb every year, and i must say the zagreb has become more and more snobby !!
everybody is cool, girls imagine they are in milan or paris , walking for pret a porter...the people are waering sunglases, if the sun shines or not !!
they are just hanging around- many young people does not want to work.

also many gipsies-kids are begging--not possible to have a drink on cvijetni trg, without interruption !

all this aspects make up the sides of this big metropolis !

i must say i like the center of zagreb and its history very muchi
t's a cool city-cooler than guys , who think that they are cool !
ok- i guess this has to do with mentality.

Hollandski_KGB


You cant generalise a whole people based on the actions of a few.

did I ? i just said that many people think like that about albanians.

http://img267.echo.cx/img267/5742/11gv.jpg

That picture pisses me off.

http://img267.echo.cx/img267/5742/11gv.jpg

That picture pisses me off.
Why? :?

Why? :?

The kid in the front makes it look as diverse as the US.

What is wrong with Diversity!? :sleepy:

hey guys i found some interesting pictures of Skopje's more modern buildings, the first ones are, i believe, of the National Bank, these are all in the centre.

This isn't the Bank
http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/6.jpg

I think this is the bank, coz the other buildings are like this one
http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/5.jpg

http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/4.jpg

http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/3.jpg

I believe this is the trading centre
http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/2.jpg

http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/1.jpg

I'm really surprised at these new buildings, i think they fit in well!

This is pretty cool

http://www.alibi.com.mk/files/Public/images/galerija/10/4.jpg

There never was hatred between albanians and macedonians.
What happened in 2001 was unfortunate but ever since then things have gone great.
In Albania we have no negative opinions about macedonians at all.
Our countries' presidents meet 3-4 times a year :cheers:

yeah, it happened just like that, noone knows why :weird: ...that's not true man, everyone knows why, they will use macedonia the same as serbia, it was good with serbians during yugoslavia, but, when they saw the opportunity, they started acting genocides, and that happened on kosovo, and that will happen in macedonia and montenegro... man, i can't stay indifferent to these comments, like :no one knows or: it was an accident, and everyone knows the hundred year plans for greater albania with kosovo and parts of macedonia and montenegro... and everywhere albanians are those that are killed and every year, since 1945 number of them is arising from year to year, especially 1998 and later... i am trying to stay indifferent, but those craps are too much man!!! albanians don't like anyone, they just like those that they can use for themselves, to enlarge their territory!
now everyone will attack me about this,that this isn't true, blah blah but you everyone know that this is true, all of you from balkans,and in next 5- 10 years, if this doesn't happen what I said, I allow you to kill me !!!

I svi vi što se kao nešto veštački pretvarate fini, kao sve je super , cveće cveta, sunce sija, zemlja čokolade, a na pola balkana ne može čovek sigurno da prođe... i svima koji seru o politici a nemaju pojma, neka vam je Bog u pomoći! Svuda se zna koliko je sranje ovde na Balkanu, i onda još malo potkuvati to kojekakvim usranim komentarima, i onda drugi ispadnu idioti kad kažu da to nije tako, jer svako ovde uči drugu istoriju, i niko ne može reći ko je u pravu, ni ja niti iko sa Balkana... zato ćutite i ne serite više o politici i ne predstavljajte lažnu sliku divljeg balkana...! ionako ovde ne treba kenjati o politici! serem vam se u čarapu!

yeah, it happened just like that, noone knows why ...that's not true man, everyone knows why, they will use macedonia the same as serbia, it was good with serbians during yugoslavia, but, when they saw the opportunity, they started acting genocides, and that happened on kosovo, and that will happen in macedonia and montenegro... man, i can't stay indifferent to these comments, like :no one knows or: it was an accident, and everyone knows the hundred year plans for greater albania with kosovo and parts of macedonia and montenegro... and everywhere albanians are those that are killed and every year, since 1945 number of them is arising from year to year, especially 1998 and later... i am trying to stay indifferent, but those craps are too much man!!! albanians don't like anyone, they just like those that they can use for themselves, to enlarge their territory!
now everyone will attack me about this,that this isn't true, blah blah but you everyone know that this is true, all of you from balkans,and in next 5- 10 years, if this doesn't happen what I said, I allow you to kill me !!!



WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

Albanian and Macedoanians get on better then ever. Free movement agreements, economical cooperation is at its best, Albanians consider Macedonia as a top touristic destination, we cooperate at the military level within the "Adriatic 3" charter. We commited in making it possible for Macedonian businesses to have an opening to the sea without any taxes to pay, just as any other Albanian businesses. we are partners in projects like the AMBO pipeline and Corridor 8th. We always doing better at the people level. We have very frequent high official meetings. Ministers meet every so often as well as prime ministers meet 3-4 times a year as well as presidents.

Did you ever follow the Albanian foreign policy in Macedonia? Albania was one of the only states to recognize the place with the name "Republic of Macedonia" despite the fact that we were forced to retreat form that position threatened for a deporting of Albanina emigrants from Greece. People like you make me sick, make me vomit. We did not send soldiers in Kosovo. We did never send soldiers in Macedonia. We arrested Albanian terrorists and our trials convicted them and all of us, the civil society agreed.

Albania never had the power to make genocides or whatever they teach you at school. Albania's position in the region in contributing in its stability is internationally recognized.

We have a political party that advocates for greater Albania, and do you know how many people vote for them? Less then 1%. They don't get a seat in the parliament exactly because we are not some fucking megallomaniacs.

Today in Sofia there was a meeting of all ministers of the region, discussing a common FTA in order to increase cooperation. Your comments, for how ironical to the news, are vommiting. Piss off. I definitely think that you should be banned. This is the third post I could read in just 2 days when you provoke Albanians.

Albania, Macedonia and Montenegro are trying to change the borders from some lines dividing us through centuries through into that allow us to know each other cultures and live in peace. That's not becaus we, Albanians, don't like anyone, but because we Albanians, are desperately trying, to convience anachronical people as yourself, that the time for us to fight and kill each other is no more. To convince morons like you to stop spreading hate.

Albania will accept whichever decision on Kosovo the Security Council will give and never cause a trouble on that, as we never did.

I allow you to kill yourself. The Balkans has made the biggest progress toward peace in its history. I am not talking about Kosovo, I never talk about it. I am talking about everything else happening around you, around us.

Again, WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?

C'mon, write it all in English. Stop acting stupidly. I don't get why people don't ban you. You are just a sick trouble maker.

Anyways, we can always work in organizing a public fundraising on SSC so you can buy yourself a brand new brain, the ones you have is too old.

Thank you for the pics of Skopje. I will definitely pay it a visit this summer. I am going to spend some time Montengro and Macedonia this year. I will probably visit Skopje and Ohrid in Macedonia.

I agree, this clown should be BANNED.

We lately had some peace in this forum and some constructive discussion, then this guy comes along with a drown sword.

Please leave us.

I've been some four times in Skopje and have also stayed once on Alexander Palace.

Yeah Skopje's worth a visit if you're in the region:)

I svi vi što se kao nešto veštački pretvarate fini, kao sve je super , cveće cveta, sunce sija, zemlja čokolade, a na pola balkana ne može čovek sigurno da prođe... i svima koji seru o politici a nemaju pojma, neka vam je Bog u pomoći! Svuda se zna koliko je sranje ovde na Balkanu, i onda još malo potkuvati to kojekakvim usranim komentarima, i onda drugi ispadnu idioti kad kažu da to nije tako, jer svako ovde uči drugu istoriju, i niko ne može reći ko je u pravu, ni ja niti iko sa Balkana... zato ćutite i ne serite više o politici i ne predstavljajte lažnu sliku divljeg balkana...! ionako ovde ne treba kenjati o politici! serem vam se u čarapu!


to kao da sam ja napisao ;) LOL.

View from Opatija, Croatia
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/5638/11if.jpg

Driving up the Croatian coast
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/5898/13vy1.jpg

Plitvice National Park, Croatia
http://img179.echo.cx/img179/6306/12jt1.jpg
http://img179.echo.cx/img179/1084/16xt1.jpg

From the coast to Zagreb
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/764/10is.jpg

The cemetery
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6631/18kq.jpg

The world's longest running reconstruction project
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/5629/18ha1.jpg

Outside St. Steven's
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/5615/14rp.jpg

Take a moment to say a prayer and light a candle
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/2083/12le.jpg

St. Mark's Church in Zagreb
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/8/14qc.jpg

St. Catherine's Church - one my favorites in the world
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/3083/11fz.jpg

St. Catherine's up close
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/7569/10gn.jpg

The Choir rehearsing in St. Catherine's
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/4078/11wc1.jpg

Inside St. Catherine's Church
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/8501/14hz.jpg

A street in Zagreb
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/4033/10rp1.jpg

Croatian Folk Dancers
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/8312/11hb1.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/9492/12yq.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/9866/11va.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/728/13ob.jpg

Driving through Croatia and Slovenia
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6645/12er.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/8282/19ou.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/9706/19kg.jpg

Castle in Ljubjana, Slovenia
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/3549/16pi1.jpg

River in Ljubjana
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/749/12ix.jpg

Map of Ljubjana at City Hall
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6779/13kb.jpg

Park in central Ljubljana
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/320/10px.jpg

Ljubljana Commieblocks
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/1091/16cp.jpg

Lake Bled, Slovenia
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/5497/14ya1.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/3851/16gu.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6889/14ig.jpg
http://img283.echo.cx/img283/6195/10xv.jpg

beautiful!!

Zagreb is a city i will definately visit. Plus i have some croatian friends.

The kid in the front makes it look as diverse as the US.
What does that have anything to do with the US???

BELGRADE

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8373/12qq.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3982/16pb.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5485/18xq.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9446/17qz1.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5650/16on.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5044/13km.jpg

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http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5443/17gc.jpg

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http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5831/18qz.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/198/17yx.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9492/12yq.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8030/15fs.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6169/13xc.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8956/12xp.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1156/14gb.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1832/12ls1.jpg

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2416/11pf.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4167/19qs1.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7845/13yo3.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4030/17oj.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2468/15uq1.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1628/12po.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2259/14uo1.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9688/17tk1.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5701/18pn.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4381/19yn1.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1116/12ag.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/7584/13qw.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6290/11wq.jpg

WOW nice pic´s :okay:

:okay: I like em :D

why dont you do bosnian towns, you would present them better :)

EDIT: I'm the best at representing any city in EE and you know it. ;)

Thanks for your PMs everyone, here's your Nis back:

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/3589/12kf2.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/929/13gk.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/2740/16ac.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/5568/15wj2.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/323/17rb.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/9682/12rg1.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/2967/16np.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/170/18la.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/1404/17yt2.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/8696/10hs.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/2223/12vw.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/1544/13su1.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/331/19gf1.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/277/15sd2.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/2892/12gn1.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/4605/15jh1.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/4002/15he.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/8056/19tq.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/7977/13ds.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/5351/13sw.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/305/15qi.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/3467/15vc.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/7001/13bu.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/8236/12jp.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/8527/13cc1.jpg

http://img22.echo.cx/img22/9184/19pq1.jpg

Wau, they really restaurated good part of centre, and didn't knew they have mc donalds too :D

this is where constantine the great was born.

^ Hehehe...strike one. ;) Kidding.

I love Nis - so many reasons. Mainly architectural, but political as well. Did you know, during the pogroms in Kosovo in 2004, when Serbian cities had riots as a result - in Nis, everything that was destroyed: They checked top to bottom to make sure no one was inside. There was a scene on OBN when the mosque was being burned, it showed a group of men and women - I assume they're Serbian Bosniaks or Albanians in a crowd of Serbs, one of the women was wearing a veil, being held back by the rioters from going inside. Not a beating, nothing, just holding them back - it made me happy, you know. Not that it's a good situation burning churches and mosques - but when it happens, you can do it like a human being.

Anyhow, I'm working on a "The Great Big SERBIA-MONTENEGRO thread". I'll start it with just northern Serbia, and then add Montenegro/Southern Serbia/Kosovo later. It's been a week's work already, my God. But I have a lot of towns finished! :)

4 things in nis taht i like :)

1. cele kula (turks used heads of decapitated serbian patriots to construct this fort)

http://itdc.yutrade.net/gallery/celekula.jpg

http://www.yuheritage.com/images/niscele.jpg


2. fort of nis

http://www.megastudent.co.yu/4images/data/media/12/Niska_Tvrdjava.JPG

3. saborna crkva

http://www.nis.co.yu/prezentacije/nekadisad2/slike/Nis'69/Sabornacrkva-sedamdesetih.jpg

4. dunno what is there now, used to be okruzno nacelstvo
http://city-of-nis.50megs.com/1_Pics/Nis.jpg
http://city-of-nis.50megs.com/1_Pics/Nis%20(4).jpg

^ Hehehe...strike one. ;) Kidding.

I love Nis - so many reasons. Mainly architectural, but political as well. Did you know, during the pogroms in Kosovo in 2004, when Serbian cities had riots as a result - in Nis, everything that was destroyed: They checked top to bottom to make sure no one was inside. There was a scene on OBN when the mosque was being burned, it showed a group of men and women - I assume they're Serbian Bosniaks or Albanians in a crowd of Serbs, one of the women was wearing a veil, being held back by the rioters from going inside. Not a beating, nothing, just holding them back - it made me happy, you know. Not that it's a good situation burning churches and mosques - but when it happens, you can do it like a human being.

Anyhow, I'm working on a "The Great Big SERBIA-MONTENEGRO thread". I'll start it with just northern Serbia, and then add Montenegro/Southern Serbia/Kosovo later. It's been a week's work already, my God. But I have a lot of towns finished! :)

why dont you do bosnian towns, you would present them better :)

Anyhow, I'm working on a "The Great Big SERBIA-MONTENEGRO thread". I'll start it with just northern Serbia, and then add Montenegro/Southern Serbia/Kosovo later. It's been a week's work already, my God. But I have a lot of towns finished! :)

Nevermind. :)

^
That building is now part of University of Nis complex, Srdjane.

Btw, Nis is not exactly small(as per our standards, lol)...at latest count, it had 375.000 population(unofficially, over 400k) , which makes it nearly as big as Bosnia's capital, Sarajevo.

Great pics, Mila :okay:

^ You know, I didn't know that but it really doesn't surprise me. It seems much smaller scale wise, though - the mountains, buildings, and size of districts seems smaller. But it has a nice chunk of high buildings and the pics showed enough different, well-developed areas that - add them together in your mind - and it suggests a fairly "big" (again, our standards... :D) city.

It could just be the provincial influence on construction. Ljubljana feels to me, in photos, to be similar in size to Sarajevo, even though it's what - 1/3, 1/4?

*Bump* Pics are back.

Great :happy: I didnt knew that Nis is that green. It looks realy cute for a Southserbian city!



btw.

when i spot a sentence with politic things here it will be deleted :sleepy:

^ I was hoping you would show up! You can go back and clean up the thread however you see fit, I trust your judgement. Take the pics and start a new thread if you want, whatever! :)

This is very much in progress. I've not even started Montenegro yet - I'll add those later and just edit this post to remove this message and change the title to "SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO" thread.

My focus is, of course, on towns and cities that don't get shown much. I tried to get the two best photos of each. Almost all the photos are from 2005. Sometimes those two weren't all that great, sometimes those two weren't enough and I put more:

The rest should be coming later today!

Pozarevac
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pozarevac.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pozarevac2.jpg

Jagodina
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/jagodina.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/jagodina2.jpg

Vranje
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/vranje.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/vranje2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/vranje3.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/vranje4.jpg

Cacak
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cacak.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cacak2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cacak3.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cacak4.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cacak5.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cacak6.jpg

Gornji Milanovac
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/gornji.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/gornji2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/gornji3.jpg

Valjevo
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/valjevo.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/valjevo2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/valjevo3.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/valjevo4.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/valjevo5.jpg

Novi Sad
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/novi.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/novi2.jpg

Subotica
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/subotica.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/subotica2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/subotica3.jpg

Sombor
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sombor1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sombor2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sombor3.jpg

Zrenjanin
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/zren1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/zren2.jpg

Kragujevac
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/krag1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/krag2.jpg

Uzice
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/uzice.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/uzice2.jpg

Kraljevo
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/kral1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/kral2.jpg

Krusevac
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/krusevac.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/krusevac2.jpg

Great thread :drool: though i would like to see more pics :D In only 1 and 1/2 week i am there :drool:*² Some of cities need small reparations there and here and everything will be cool :okay:

Prijepolje
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/prijepolje.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/prijepolje2.jpg

Pljevlja
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pljevlja.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pljevlja2.jpg

Bijelo Polje
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/bijelo1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/bijelo2.jpg

Plav-Gusinje
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/plav2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/plav1.jpg

Niksic
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/niksic1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/niksic2.jpg

Podgorica
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/podgorica.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/podgorica2.jpg

Sveti Stefan
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sveti1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sveti2.jpg

Kotor
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/kotor.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/kotor2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/kotor3.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/kotor4.jpg

Bar
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/bar1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/bar2.jpg

Budva
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/budva1.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/budva2.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/budva3.jpg

Cetinje
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cetinje.jpg
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/cetinje2.jpg

1.) Does it ever snow in Balkans? Or at least gets cold? All the pics I always see are these happy, sunny, warm weather ones :D

2.) http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sveti2.jpg do people live there? If they do, is it like ultra-expensive?

I believe just about the whole island is a 5-star hotel now, minus a museum or two? I'm sure someone on the forum knows.

Yes, it does snow in the Balkans. Sarajevo hosted the winter Olympics, remember? ;) I just don't like winter photos. :P So I never collect them.

1. Oh, yeah, it snows sometimes worser than in Polar circle :D

2. It is hotel/island :) Expensive of course

Thank you Mila for the thread. Just one minor mistake in there...;)

Definately not "Budva". This is my Montenegrin hometown/village...of PRCANJ!!!:yes:

The photo actually looks as if it was taken right in front of my house:eek:
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/budva3.jpg

Mila, maybe some photos of Sjenica for Pan_Stanislav, the so-called "Serbian Siberia", because temperatures often go down to -40C.

^ You know, I didn't know that but it really doesn't surprise me. It seems much smaller scale wise, though - the mountains, buildings, and size of districts seems smaller. But it has a nice chunk of high buildings and the pics showed enough different, well-developed areas that - add them together in your mind - and it suggests a fairly "big" (again, our standards... :D) city.

It could just be the provincial influence on construction. Ljubljana feels to me, in photos, to be similar in size to Sarajevo, even though it's what - 1/3, 1/4?

I can't say I know much about other cities, but I know about Belgrade.
You know how in all the photos that people have posted of Belgrade so far, barely 5-10% has actually been shown? Even in threads about downtown, only a small part of it is shown(usually Knez, Parliament, Terazije, and such...but there's so much more to it) Same is for Nis in this photo gallery.

Here's a new panorama of Nis and even it doesn't really show much of the city:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/8369/niscityserbia1rt.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Oh yes, that's practically Sarajevo. I bet if we really checked, 2005 stats, Sarajevo would be between 75,000-125,000 more than this.

Hey, it is not now that important which is city bigger or smaller :) Just enjoy pics ! Anyway interesting panorama KM, still a lot of commies there, as usuall :D

^ Hahaha, I don't care if Sarajevo is smaller. :) I love it just the way it is. And I like Nis just the way it is. I'm just trying to figure it out, it's interesting to me how...you know? You can look at pictures and truly have no idea what size of a city is.

Serbia?
I thought Nis was in Bulgaria :D

And I thought it was in France. :D

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/beograd1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/beograd2.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/beograd3.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/beograd4.jpg

I was in Belgrade in November. It is an awesome city.

Old part of Belgrade is really something. A little similar to Odesa derebasovska street ( I know you don't know it ).

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2259/14uo1.jpg <- these kind of buildings are indeed my favorite type of architecture

Great pics, but I don't know who "they" are?
In more ways than one, Belgrade is your city too, Mila...because your family's taxes paid for its development:)

^ LOL Good one Mila.

SKOPJE

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace11.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace12.jpg


KRUSEVO

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace14.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace15.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace16.jpg


OHRID

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace3.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace4.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace5.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace6.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/macedonia1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/macedonia2.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace7.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace8.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace9.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace10.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace13.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace17.jpg

Where do you get these pictures from Sarajka!:) Anyway they're great! The Ohrid photo's are splendid! If only the Macedonian websites could be more up to date than you:D

She will never tell anybody. Mila must keep the monopoly in best presentation of any and every country and city in eastern part of Europe.

Guys, I've truly already told you! :)

Google - PBase, Coppermine Galleries, Flickr...everything! :) I don't have this magical source for everything - hahaha. I just search for what I want until I find it. :) It's a different place every time.

Great finds Mila!
I just wonder, what's this thing in Krusevo?
http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/mace15.jpg

I think it's a church. There were more shots taken from the inside looking out and each knob sticking off has stained glass windows with this abstract cross shape. And well...we saw that...that thing...in Skopje already, so it's not like weird churches are a new thing in Macedonia.

I'd have shared more pics of it but the other ones gave me vertigo. Really weird.

Great pics
I am wondering the same thing about that object, looks very futuristic.

I don't have this magical source for everything - hahaha.


Of course you do ;)

Maybe it's ... zombo.com? anything is possible at zombo.com

^ Oh my God. :) Hahaha

That large structure in Krusevo is built upon Mechkin Kamen (Bear's rock). Krusevo, as a result of the uprisings in 1903, was the first town to be liberated of the Turks (which only lasted 10 days!) And during this small period, it was made a republic, known as Krusevska Republika, with Nikola Karev as the president. The liberation only lasted 10 days, and when the Turks came back, they weren't happy:\

It is a museum, not a church:D It is basically to commemorate people like Pitu Guli, who fought against the Turks on this 'hill-rock' Inside, i think you can see the sarcophagi of Nikola Karev and other things that explain what happened.

Here is another picture of Krusevo where you can see the monument on Mechkin Kamen overlooking the town. Oh i thought it might be interesting to note that Krusevo (as far as i know) does not have any Commie blocks:D

http://tinypic.com/6pqcz4.jpg

Looks like Greece, - or shall I say looks like what I think Greece looks like.

^ Looks like one big bosnian "mahala", and even though I like our mahalas (there are many in Sarajevo) I don't like this one.

Skoplje is one commie city, and I can't say I really like it. Kruševo is, as I said (for me, of course) one big mahala, and not too nice I must say. The only town I like in that country is Ohrid...there aren't many places like that.

What to say, Macedonia is much, much nicer than this country :)

Hey Kommandant Mark, great panorama! If they add a few modern highrises, Niš would have decent skyline.

What does that have anything to do with the US???

It's a comparison I think, and we all know what happens when theres too much diversity.

It's a comparison I think, and we all know what happens when theres too much diversity.


?? What are you talking about?

CROATIA: From North to South
LIJEPA NASA

VARAZDIN

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/varazdin1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/varazdin2.jpg

KOPRIVNICA

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/koprivnica1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/koprivnica2.jpg

BJELOVAR

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/bjelovar1.jpg

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VIROVITICA

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/virovitica1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/virovitica2.jpg

ZAGREB

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/zagreb1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/zagreb2.jpg

IVANIC-GRAD

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OSIJEK

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/osijek1.jpg

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VUKOVAR

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/vukovar1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/vukovar2.jpg

RIJEKA

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/rijeka1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/rijeka2.jpg

POREC

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/porec1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/porec2.jpg

SLAVONSKI BROD

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/slav1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/slav2.jpg

OMISALJ

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/omisalj1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/omisalj2.jpg

LABIN

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/labin1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/labin2.jpg

SLUNJ

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/slunj1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/slunj2.jpg

SENJ

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/senj1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/senj2.jpg

PULA

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pula1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pula2.jpg

GOSPIC

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/gospic1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/gospic2.jpg

ZADAR

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/zadar1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/zadar2.jpg

SIBENIK

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sibenik1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sibenik2.jpg

SPLIT

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/split2.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/split1.jpg

PLOCE

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/ploce1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/ploce2.jpg

DUBROVNIK

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/dubrovnik1.jpg

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/dubrovnik2.jpg

I'll fill in the cracks later. ;) Xox

I used to chat online with a girl from Sibenik, Croatia - and she used to joke that it was "the town Germany forgot", refering to tourists not WWII. She told me one funny war story - that she and her friends used to throw rocks at the Yugoslav ships in the Adriatic, never coming close of course.

Anyhow, I'm surprised:

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/sibenik1.jpg

That looks beautiful, and very Venitian. It's definitely my favorite waterfront building in southern Croatia, I love the mish-mash of architectural styles in this small area.

Thanks Sarajka! :)

Very nice, the pictures from Split are great ;) Croatia looking gorgeous as always, even Vukovar :yes:

Emir: I agree, Vukovar has a charm. :)

Astro: You're very welcome - tell Bubach_hlubach that I was going to leave out Ploce, and add Siroki Brijeg as a joke...but decided not to, since non-exyugos might see this thread as well. ;):D

Mila, wow, great stuff, very good pics, where did you get them from ?

Nice thread.:)

My Two Favourite Croatian Cities:

Zadar

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2702/jpeg20velika207505506vy.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/663/jpeg20velika207505502ew.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1204/jpeg20velika207505500ia.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Slavonski Brod

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9558/jpeg20velika207505505uu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6360/jpeg20velika207505503ph.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2521/jpeg20velika207505504il.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^ Zadar is beautiful, but Slavonski Brod is one of the ugliest towns in Croatia, incl. Sisak, Ploce and Knin.
Well, that's my opinion, anyway :)

:cheers:

I knew a Croatian forumer would be surprised I would mention Slavonski Brod! :D Especially comparing it to any of the coastal cities.. it looks like shit.

It is one of my favourite Croatian cities because I have been there so many times, have friends there, and find the town charming. Although there is still destruction, Every year I visit.. the town looks better, and better! :)

About Knin. It is one of the Ugliest towns in the country, but I don't think it is ugly! ;)

Look at these pictures of the city! I was really surprised to see it look so beautiful.:)

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/3733/jpeg20velika207505509bs.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/819/jpeg20velika207505508mh.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1916/jpeg20velika207505505ab.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1019/jpeg20velika207505501mc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I can agree that the scenery around Knin is gorgeous, but the town itself sucks, there's really nothing to see.

BTW, I prefer more inland towns (Gorski kotar, Medjimurje, Zagorje, Prigorje, Banovina, Podravina, Slavonia, etc), there are hundreds of charming and cute towns and places, but Slavonski Brod is definately not one of them :)

I really have to visit more of Croatia. There is so much to see, but I never have enough time. I did visit Biograd, Split, Rijeka, Slavonski Brod, Zabok, and Osijek. All those towns were beautiful. I found Zabok to be one of those very charming, small towns.:)

PRCANJ, MONTENEGRO
SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO

I think we might have a forumer here who'll especially love these pictures, so I had to post them. ;)

http://files.photojerk.com/sarajka/pr47.jpg

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very, very beautiful :okay:

Superb photos! Thanks, Sarajka!
Im going there in just a few days...of course im gonna visit all major places in and around Boka Kotor Bay, but visits to Prcanj and my grandfathers village of Njegusi are the ones im most looking forward to:yes:

like the name !! :lol: and the pictures ofcourse :D

Spectacular. My kind of place. I would move there tomorrow if I could.

I won't say something like "superb" or "wow", becoase I knew how beautiful Boka is :)

Only 2 1/2 weeks till I'm in Boka Kotorska ;)

ZAGREB, CROATIA

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/8647/dsc0014lr.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/607/dsc0020kp.jpg

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http://www.movesinstitute.org/~mcgredo/trips/zagreb3/indexfiles/IM000386.JPG.jpg

http://www.movesinstitute.org/~mcgredo/trips/zagreb3/indexfiles/IM000387.JPG.jpg

http://www.movesinstitute.org/~mcgredo/trips/zagreb3/indexfiles/IM000388.JPG.jpg

http://www.movesinstitute.org/~mcgredo/trips/zagreb3/indexfiles/IM000389.JPG.jpg

i love zagreb. hopefully i visit it one day...

Yeah Zagreb is amazing!!

I don't know what it is I like so much about Zagreb. It just seems so...confident. They don't hide the city's flaws because they know, overall, its great...something like that.

SKOPJE, MACEDONIA

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2981/10yi.jpg

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/425/15vs1.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6909/10uo.jpg

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http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8861/19bu.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/1048/19vz.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3264/12sa.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2776/12eu.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4273/17lw.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8554/10zy.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1373/16mz.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/3374/11pw.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/6496/19rq.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1187/19an.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/9544/18sy.jpg

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/7223/14cn.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/55/15dc.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/8122/11qv.jpg

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/447/11er.jpg

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http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/8739/13kt.jpg

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http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3898/13aa.jpg

HAHA! :p
You beat me to it though!:p I was gonna open one up this week but i didn't have enough pictures, i'll post those that i have after you have;)
Thanks Sarjaka:D

^ Done. ;)

Nice. :)

Excellent pictures Sarajka! Super!
Finally some new ones hehe:D
Thanks alot;)

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/4921/shkupi13yq.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1020/shkupi22pl.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5386/shkupi39us.jpg

http://jim.rees.org/trips/Albania/skopje-street.jpg

http://image10.webshots.com/11/0/59/43/147905943mTbeXd_ph.jpg

http://image02.webshots.com/2/2/80/10/51328010ncrhZA_ph.jpg

http://image18.webshots.com/18/7/95/40/193979540MlZmfJ_ph.jpg

http://image18.webshots.com/18/1/29/74/205612974hCBRSc_ph.jpg

Everytime I see photographs of Skopje I'm always reminded of a poeme I have on a little postcard. I'll scan it sometime but it says:

The dust of Skopje rises
Like a screen across the sun
Praying, hoping, giving up
It can never be undone

While some thought of heaven
And others spoke of hell
The earth roared and trembled
The ancient city fell

Not misery, nor pain, nor death
Could keep the people down
What was devoured by the earth
Shall be a better town

Men, women, and children all
For Skopje, spent their lives
To pray to God, for Skopje
Never another yellow sky

Honestly, they're all great!! Wish i was there now!!
Keep 'em coming:D

Here are some others too!

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/7598/76nj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9703/sk940wv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/8675/sk773yz.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is located in the Municipality of Karposh, west Skopje.
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5498/sk7779gn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is in the suburb Karposh 3 (coz there are like Karposh 1-4)
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9771/sk929gu.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/5219/sk852eb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/9885/sk77773pn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7645/sk939oa.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

That's a cool poem, i think i've heard of it somewhere!!
Thanks e tirona;) I think the last 4 arn't working??

Everytime I see photographs of Skopje I'm always reminded of a poeme I have on a little postcard. I'll scan it sometime but it says:

The dust of Skopje rises
Like a screen across the sun
Praying, hoping, giving up
It can never be undone

While some thought of heaven
And others spoke of hell
The earth roared and trembled
The ancient city fell

Not misery, nor pain, nor death
Could keep the people down
What was devoured by the earth
Shall be a better town

Men, women, and children all
For Skopje, spent their lives
To pray to God, for Skopje
Never another yellow sky

i cant believe u took the time to copy that from the postcard :weirdo: :jk:

Thanks e tirona;) I think the last 4 arn't working??

no problem...ill give another try to the last 4 pics

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/968/shkupi15vy.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1873/shkupi21ph.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/6305/shkupi31uv.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1782/shkupi41kk.jpg

Some panorama's

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2122/sk813wj.th.jpg (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sk813wj.jpg)

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/9657/sk834yh.th.jpg (http://img394.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sk834yh.jpg)

Cool pics...

I like this one:

http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/1874/17qw.jpg

The guy didn't get it...

have you ever been to Medvedgrad sarajka?

p.s. nice pictures

Zagreb is a nice city. It would look much more attracting with some hills or mountains in the background, but it’s fine just the way it is. :)

Zagreb is a nice city. It would look much more attracting with some hills or mountains in the background, but it’s fine just the way it is. :)

They aren't huge but actually the final spur of the Alps after it crosses the border with Slovenia finishes up behind Zagreb, therefore the backdrop to Zagreb is the Medvednice Mountains to which Zagrebers get to ski on in winter. In January this year there was an international ski cup in the mountains above Zagreb so therefore Zagreb has mountains. ;)

The most exclusive Zagreb suburbs are up in the hills above the city centre. The famous "Gornji Grad" sits on one of them.

Anyway, there is a plan to tunnel under the Medvednice mountains so that both traffic and trains will come directly into Zagreb from the north rather than snaking their way around from the north west like they do these days.

Those pictures are great because this is how Zagreb looks, they are not taken from 'perfect angle', while whatcing them I felt like I am there walking down the street :)

I love Zagreb, beautiful town, mix of old and modern architecture,

and specially that lifestlye which is slow (but not too much :) )

But there is something i don't like. Zagreb lost his soul in last 10-20 years and bacame an untolerant area :(

I have some photos too (bad quality- mobile phone):

http://free-zg.t-com.hr/gzzg/zagreb/goran1.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/gzzg/zagreb/goran2.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/gzzg/zagreb/goran3.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/gzzg/zagreb/goran5.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/gzzg/zagreb/goran6.jpg
http://free-zg.t-com.hr/gzzg/zagreb/goran7.jpg

I love the way Skopje looks. It doesn't seem that comfortable because of the commies however there is something really nice about the mixture of old neighborhoods, with commies, and some modern buildings. You also have a decently sized river with really nice bridges. Good squares too.
Also, do you guys have a highway running inside the city? That is how it seems on some of the pictures or is it just a normal city road?

Pula, Croatia
The Arches

The Arch of the Sergeii
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8875/16td.jpg

The Arch of Hercules
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/954/11aw1.jpg

The Double Arch
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/6010/12dw.jpg

The Coloseum
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8056/19tq.jpg
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/7355/14aw.jpg
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/1696/14rv.jpg
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/661/10up.jpg

Pula is one of Croatia's most multicultural coastal cities. A full 30% of the city's population is non-Croat, but these are not recent immigrants, these are communities of Italians, Bosnians, and others who have lived in the city for centuries. All of this makes Pula very interesting because it has so many different architectural styles and features.

Split is certainly the most famous Croatian city when it comes to arches, but Pula has equally beautiful arches of its own and when you place something that pretty in a city so unique, it's worth sharing. ;)

Nice pictures Sarajka. The arches are all a legacy of the Roman foundations of the city.

Although not containing any arches, my favourite Roman structure in the city of Pula is the Temple of Roman Emperor Augustus, built in the 2nd century AD.

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/travel/tg/lp/72/500x500_724dc1d4852e10b03a23087ef9334bf2.jpg

I agree, it's very nice:

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7035/17rj.jpg

Here are some more pictures of Rijeka/Pula taken in August, 2005:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=247456

I made that thread a little while ago. :)

Pula just amazes me though, I mean, look at this photo:

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8875/16td.jpg

It seems to me that no two buildings are of the same style, or even from the era, location. I'd love to have this photo analyzed by an expert and see, from it alone, how many different styles he can identify and what regions of the world they originate from. :)

True, Pula has an ecclectic array of architecture, but then again its also a very cosmopolitan city. Its people are diverse.

I remember years ago I purchased postcards from a girl that had a stall. She told me she was a refugee Bosniak and that she ended up making Pula her home because it was her only link to her childhood as she holidayed there each year with her family. She told me that Pula offered her sanctuary and acceptance and that it was now her city. :) Pula has always been that kind of a city.

^ Yes, you can ask anyone who knows me, Pula has for years been the place in Croatia that...it's not my favorite, really...but it's the one I talk about most, my subconscious favorite. :D

lol Aleks:D
Yeah it is sort of a high way going into the city and out.
Yeah i get you;)

Kale
http://tinypic.com/ayt16w.jpg

Mustafa Pasha Mosque
http://tinypic.com/ayt1l2.jpg

Skopje in the morning! You can see the old train station at the bottom
http://tinypic.com/ayt211.jpg

very nice arches :)

Beautiful city.

VIS, CROATIA

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http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/446/21ci.jpg

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http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4079/89no.jpg

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/301/91kq.jpg

ahhhhh, beautiful...

wtf flat ass!!! :bash:

Nice Mila :) I want to go to Croatia now! :(

i love these small towns with tiny rocky streets....Sometimes during the summer when i was younger i used to go to these small towns with streets like this and i loved to run up and down these tiny streets

Thanks for the pics Mila. I just love the....errrrrr :eek: :colgate: . "view".

i like croatia. nice coast and very towns look very european.

Of course it looks European, what did you expect it to look like? Croatian coastal region is one of the most beautiful in Europe!!!

nice work Mila

The lightscapes of Croatia

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9126/16aw.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/1553/12rc.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/8337/13ju.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7712/12km.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7033/dsc0697yn.jpghttp://img368.imageshack.us/img368/6404/dsc0686hg.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/2506/dsc0706iv.jpghttp://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9283/dsc0713qi.jpg

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7550/dsc0724ys.jpg

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/5255/10dz1.jpg

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http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/7317/15xm1.jpg

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/927/17jo.jpg

Ohh did you mean Dalmatian lightscapes ? ;)

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2726/dubrovnik20at20night7nj.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2710/noc1cy.jpg

:cheers:

Nice pics. :)

^ GORGEOUS Bubach!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/flags/si-lgflag.gif
WELCOME TO SLOVENIA


http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/maps/si-map.gif


PIRAN
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7063/11oi.jpg

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2753/18yn1.jpg


IZOLA
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/5336/11mf.jpg

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2439/14xs.jpg


KOPER
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/9553/16fs.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6418/17st.jpg


NOVO MESTO
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2810/11fi2.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9026/12tn.jpg


KRANJ
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8363/16du1.jpg

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9805/17di.jpg


CELJE
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9868/13bx1.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3197/14px.jpg


VELENJE
http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/3065/10iq.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2244/17jc.jpg


MARIBOR
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/2122/16am.jpg

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3410/11vz.jpg


BLED
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7409/12nq.jpg

http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7489/17kd.jpg


LJUBLJANA
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7433/12yh.jpg

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7032/15uw.jpg

What a nice country. Must be great living in a small, rich, beautiful country. Everybody knows each other. Bicycle rides from one end of the city to another.

Eeeeeehhh

I am so happy you made a Slovenia thread! :)

I LOVE Slovenia! I have never been to a more beautiful place, with such kind people! I think it would be a good idea to add Postojna, and Portoroz in this... Great Job!

It is a great country for sure, Maribor and Ljubljana looks gorgeous :)

For those of you that live in Australia. Be watching tonite (Mon 29th August) the popular travel show on Channel 7 @ 7:30pm. "The Great Outdoors" will be doing a travel special on Slovenia and showing off some of its many 300 castles. Slovenia supposedly has the higgest concentration of castles in the world! :)

Very nice. Slovenia makes me jealous. It's a symbol of what Bosnia could become one day.

Haha, yeah, it's a beautiful country. Too bad we can't market it.. :(

Ma dežela je okej ;) heheh.. nice country nice country :D

Truly remarkable pics !

GOOD

PIRAN, Slovenia

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1631/piran38no.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7898/piran10db.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5695/piran24uc.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2433/piran44cw.jpg


NOVI SAD, Serbia-Montenegro

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6351/novisad29dn.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7816/novisad38al.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/4986/novisad10np.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7753/novisad46ul.jpg


RIJEKA, Croatia

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/7203/rijeka36dj.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9307/rijeka21wl.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2286/rijeka12hk.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3129/rijeka47rq.jpg


MOSTAR, Bosnia-Herzegovina

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5416/mostar19sj.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4623/mostar25lg.jpg

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2049/mostar31ps.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8793/mostar41mk.jpg


TETOVO, Macedonia

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9100/tetovo19cw.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/3821/tetovo21iz.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9969/tetovo42lm.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/9766/tetovo34er.jpg

Take that, BGD...bitch. ;)

*Walks away*

Go you:D

Rijeka- perfect... predivno

Baš mi se sviđaju boje na prve dve slike Rijeke. Što se Mostara tiče, voleo bih da neko sa obale Neretve ili sa reke napravi fotografiju mosta naspram sunca (mnogo 'oću, a :D )

Novi Sad :)

^ Piran is my favorite! :) It reminds me of how Dubrovnik used to look!

After that I like Rijeka because it's such a huge city. I don't think most people realize how big it, and it's fairly modern - the architecture. The Austro-Hungarian, Central European, etc, etc...districts are far larger than the old Venetian, "Dalmatian" ones. I just really like it.

Then Novi Sad is just beautiful as well. My husband always says, "Novi Sad is one of the most beautiful towns in this region, and it'll make a fine capital one day." LOL

Great photo collection! All of these photos look superb. Sarajka, you definately contribute one of the finest photo collections here! Keep up the good work!

Pozdrav from Slovenia! ;) I have a house in Portorose, not far from Piran, so you're most welcome to stay there when you come to Slovenia! hehe :)

^ I'll pack the toilet paper. ;)

^ :lol: :lol: :lol: roooofl

Mem, ju ar siri'sli fakd ap :D ;)

:cheers:

Then Novi Sad is just beautiful as well. My husband always says, "Novi Sad is one of the most beautiful towns in this region, and it'll make a fine capital one day." LOL
Banja Luka too. :)
LOL :|

^ :lol: :lol: :lol: roooofl

Mem, ju ar siri'sli fakd ap :D ;)

:cheers:

Men, ju ar dzust krjze!

Banja Luka too. :)
LOL :|

Hehehe. You know what I noticed?

Whenever I say something in a serious sense, and I mean it, no one responds. But when I say something in a joking sense, someone always responds. It's strange to me there's even a difference, how could anyone even tell online that I am joking and that I am not?

Anyhow, yeah. Banja Luka will make a fine capital one day. So will Bihac and Zenica. :D And West Mostar, and Siroki Brijeg of course. Podgorica, Novi Pazar, North Kosovska Mitrovica...hmmm...

Tetovo, Odzak, Orasje, Gorazde...

Lots of them waiting to happen. :D