What with the government looking like it's gonna steamroller all this ID card bullshit through, regardless of what people think, I can see a big protest on the cards.

I've read in a few places that around 10% of people are planning on refusing to carry or sign up for an ID card. I'm sure that at least half of these people will just get an ID card when it comes to the crunch, for an easy life. But that still leaves a couple of million who hopefully will hvae the balls to stand up for what they belive in.

I can see a huge protest a few years down the line; hopefully bigger and a bit more violent than the one for the Iraq war. After all, a million or so folk walking round peacefully didn't change a thing there. And who was right in the end? Just shows what a shower of shits we have running the country.

I wonder if there'll be a riot, the likes of which we haven't seen for a while. This subject stirs up a lot of emotion; especially as we're still ten years from full implementation. Will this anger grow or diminish over those ten years?

Whaddaya reckon. If/when we get compulsory fingerprinting, DNA profiling and ID cards, will we all sit an accept it, or will a couple of million of us storm parliament?

What worries me more are RFID tags in EU passports (soon) and banknotes (proposed). So far it looks as if we're all going to sit and not care.

rfid is being used in a lot more than just passports and banknotes... they're being used in shitloads of things from beer kegs to delivery cases - and iirc they've already been hacked, tho I could be mistaken I do remember reading something about them some point last year about them failing.

infact I was right


RFID tags can now be hacked with a notebook computer, special software, and an RFID reader

A German programmer has released a software tool that allows users to rewrite the user area of RFID tags, opening the possibility that hackers could reprogram item IDs, prices and other information. This new technology threatens the security of RFID tags and adds to the debate over their widespread use by retailers like Wal-Mart...

Original news summary: (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1628696,00.asp)


LAS VEGAS---A German consultant has released a tool that its creator says will allow modifications of the code stored within RFID tags, theoretically allowing consumers to wreak havoc in future retail deployments.
Click here to read about eWEEK Labs' analysis of RFID.
Although each RFID tag carries with it a unique product ID, the EPC is stored in the "user area" portion of the chip, which allows it to be rewritten.
On the other hand, consumers would have to worry about the items in their shopping carts being read by "Big Brother," or at least the many retailers in a shopping mall.
The tool was released as part of a talk at the Black Hat Briefings here, dedicated to IT security.
Click here to read about Congress' RFID concerns.
And there's an even worse scenario: "It is only a matter of time before someone puts a root exploit on one of these tags and hacks into your supply chain," Grunwald said.
RFID tags have been seen as a revolutionary device by retailers, manufacturers and the military.
In Europe, the Gillette Co. has used RFID tags inside packages of razor blades to minimize theft, Grunwald said.
And Wal-Mart Stores, the world's largest company, and the U.S. Department of Defense have separate programs to rework their supply chains around RFID tags by next year.

It's about time the people of this country stood up to the state.

RIOT!

what kind of idiots are you? There is a general election in a few weeks. Vote for the party and policies you expect them to deliver. Don't riot.

Stop being such fools, democracy works (well once every few years) and you've got the chance to vote for the party or person you want.

No Id cards then vote lib dem. No Tuition fees - then vote lib dem. Higher taxes - vote lib dem and probably labour.

I intend to vote Lib Dem Englishman.

That'll solve all my problems wont it?

Democracy's a crock of shite.

We have the right to peaceful protest.

They have the right to shut the blinds and ignore it, like they did a couple of years ago.

Dude majority rules. It's as fair as this world will ever get. No need to riot though peacefull protest by all means.

I was only responding to the rfid section :P

personally I don't see how rioting can solve the problem... funding a military junta and taking westminster.. now ya talking ;)

:jk:

Majority doesn't rule in the UK and our 'democratic' system doesn't enable majority choice to rule either.

well each areea get s to vote for their representative (MP) who may vote as they wish. That individual is majority voted.

It isn't the primeminister that will create ID cards - but a vote in parliament by everyone's elected representatives. It's unfortunate that each person will not have the same number of constituents - but unless we do a revote everytime someone moves it wll remain that way.

Dude majority rules. It's as fair as this world will ever get. No need to riot though peacefull protest by all means.

I'm not going to instigate any riots. What I were asking was do we think there will be a riot? I think there will. I guess it'd start as a peaceful protest. But if the police start getting all heavy and it kicks off then I'm in :)

Have a nice bath :)

That was earlier the bath - but I am smelling lovely now thank you.

it does have the potential to be the next poll tax. polls have reported that, and it will become more of an issue as people realise how much they will have to pay personally. if the current cost is going to be 90 per person assuming of course that everyone pays then itll be hundreds per person as the govt have already said the poor will get theirs free. it has the potential to be a complete disaster for labour, if poorly thought out, implemented and buggy it will affect EVERY person in the country.

I do not want to see a riot over this like the poll tax. Peaceful protests are fine as long as they dont get out of control like with the hunting ban.

If anyone here was to riot about ID cards I'm sure it would be Lostboy.

If there hadn't have been a riot the Poll Tax would have been implemented. The Poll Tax riot was democracy in action over a psuedo dictatorship.

We dont do 'riots' anymore :) We do 'protests with minor skirmishes' :yes:

democracy is more than just voting once every 2 or 4 years, it encompasses civil involvement in society, protests, boycotts, lobby groups, and even in extreme case, riots. and real democracy, bolstered by a bill of rights and enshrined liberties, is not the rule of the majority, but the protection of the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

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what kind of idiots are you? There is a general election in a few weeks. Vote for the party and policies you expect them to deliver. Don't riot.

Stop being such fools, democracy works (well once every few years) and you've got the chance to vote for the party or person you want.

No Id cards then vote lib dem. No Tuition fees - then vote lib dem. Higher taxes - vote lib dem and probably labour.

no tuition fees? vote conservative :D

The government has used the royal perogative in its latest attempt to ignore both Parliament and People for the new passport (read ID Card) the royal damn perogative, something to be used in emergencies and special circumstances, and they use it to avoid a tough fight in Parliament. Anyone who justifies this, would justify a dictatorship. I hope for a hung Parliament.

Dude majority rules.

If we were in Athens around 2400 years ago, you'd be correct, then again Athenians would never have voted for ID Cards, - assuming they could have somehow have been avaliable in Classical Greece - a more advanced people than modern Europeans in many ways, but we're not, so whilst the majority rules it does not do so without any impingment there should be checks and balances to ensure that minorities (of all sorts, political and otherwise) retain their rights.

And how is 42% a majority?

Classical Greece - a more advanced people than modern Europeans in many ways,



like what?

Dude majority rules.

If we were in Athens around 2400 years ago, you'd be correct, then again Athenians would never have voted for ID Cards, - assuming they could have somehow have been avaliable in Classical Greece - a more advanced people than modern Europeans in many ways, but we're not, so whilst the majority rules it does not do so without any impingment there should be checks and balances to ensure that minorities (of all sorts, political and otherwise) retain their rights.

And how is 42% a majority?
I allready answered. It's a majority for your particular MP. Your community elects a representative. That representative then represents that community one way is by voting for stuff.

You can argue that proportional representation would be a better system, however that also has draw backs.

My point is, riots are not the way to deal with this - voting is!

It's a majority for your particular MP.

Really, my MP was not elected with a majority, perhaps yours is one of those minority of MP's who were elected with a majority. No pun intended.

My point is, riots are not the way to deal with this - voting is!

I think rioting is pretty extreme, I also think what the government is doing is pretty extreme, so I am somewhat ambivalent, but if you think that casting my vote for a party that doesn't support ID Cards - which of course I will - is to be the extent of my show of dissatisfaction with this policy, you are very much mistaken. There are numerous peaceful ways to oppose effectively this policy, I and there will be many many more will certainly not register on this scheme, making it hard for the government to put into place, if just a few hundred thousand do the same, it will be close to collapse, I am confident that enough people have seen the disgusting ways that Labour have tried to justify this policy, and used every nasty trick in the book - including taking advantage of the tragedy of Madrid and bathing its hands in the blood of dead spaniards in order to advertise its lies - that they will not go along with it. It was not the riots that killed the poll tax but those who were willing to oppose it through civil-disobedience.

I allready answered. It's a majority for your particular MP. Your community elects a representative. That representative then represents that community one way is by voting for stuff.

You can argue that proportional representation would be a better system, however that also has draw backs.

My point is, riots are not the way to deal with this - voting is!
sadly, the community representative will vote whichever way their party leader tells them, or face the possibility of losing their job. have you never heard of party whips?

Even if they loose their whip (which is rare) they still remain an MP.

I will be moving to another country, this ones going fuck up, so I may as may as well kick some police heads in befour I go.

Even if they loose their whip (which is rare) they still remain an MP.
tell that to howard flight.

I may as may as well kick some police heads in befour I go.
if you must kick heads in, you probably ought to choose some more suitable ones. charles clarke's would be a good start.