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Westpoint brews plans for old Emu site
Jan 13
Mark Drummond

Norm Carey's Westpoint Group plans to develop four apartment towers at the western end of Perth's CBD after buying the vacant portion of the former Emu Brewery site for about $25 million.

Westpoint's plans for the 1.8 hectare parcel, which is bound by Mounts Bay Road and Spring Street, add to a string of inner-city apartment projects proposed for Perth's CBD. They include a neighbouring 40-storey tower, worth about $125 million, which Ralph Sarich's Cape Bouvard Investments is seeking approval to build on its Mounts Bay Road development site.

The managing director of Westpoint's funds management division, Richard Beck, confirmed on Friday that Westpoint had signed an unconditional contract to buy the old Emu Brewery site, which is being sold as part of the liquidation of failed insurance group HIH.

While Mr Beck would not comment on the price, property sources suggested Westpoint had paid about $25 million for the property, trumping rival offers from the likes of Luke Saraceni's Saracen Properties, Mirvac Fini and Peter Laurance's Pivot Group.

Westpoint's purchase of the remaining old Emu Brewery land comes a month after Mr Carey's company paid $5 million for a Brisbane development site at 333 Ann Street, which has also been earmarked for a major apartment project.

At the Perth site, Mr Beck said Westpoint planned a staged development of four apartment towers over four years. Each tower is likely to be funded separately through mezzanine finance rather than a syndicated equity raising.

He said the size of each tower and the prices of the apartments were still to be decided.

Mr Beck said he was not concerned about national warnings of a potential oversupply in the inner-city apartment market because he believed Perth lagged the Sydney and Melbourne markets by about two years.

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The Westpoint deal continues the transformation of the western end of Perth's CBD, where Baulderstone Hornibrook is building a $245 million office headquarters for Woodside Petroleum and Multiplex is developing a $200 million-plus convention and exhibition centre, which will also include a $40 million office building (to be anchored by Ernst & Young) and a $30 million apartment hotel.

Directly across Spring Street from the old Emu Brewery site, Hawaiian Management is also seeking tenant pre-commitments for its Project Future 239 office tower.

Apart from the Westpoint and Cape Bouvard projects, other apartment towers planned for the Perth CBD include a twin-tower project on Terrace Road, proposed by Nutri-Metics founders Bill and Imelda Roche, and the neighbouring Hemisphere and Westralian residential projects.




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i read up to 40 storey tower. Thats all i need. this'll be an interesting development;)

Fingures crossed two of them will be in the 30 or 40's. I can imagine two smalled at the front and two larger at the back, to milk the river views. That's what I would do any way.

some background info

- a 45 story tower had prevous approval for the site
- the site is directly opposite the convention & exhabtion centre
- the site has river views

i would be interesting if all the potential developer could submit their plans for the site and we could choose the best:D , but this is great news. i hope its like chevron on the GC with retail/cafe at ground level and appartment above

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- a 45 story tower had prevous approval for the site
- the site is directly opposite the convention & exhabtion centre
- the site has river views

i would be interesting if all the potential developer could submit their plans for the site and we could choose the best:D , but this is great news. i hope its like chevron on the GC with retail/cafe at ground level and appartment above</td></tr>
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ive got a drawing of the St georges square tower which was planned for late 1980's ill scan it tonight! it was over 200m tall to spire!.

the previous proposal for the site
almost went up but HIH killed the project
http://www.mount-bay-apartment-hotel.com.au/images/development.jpg

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>some background info

- a 45 story tower had prevous approval for the site
- the site is directly opposite the convention & exhabtion centre
- the site has river views

i would be interesting if all the potential developer could submit their plans for the site and we could choose the best:D , but this is great news. i hope its like chevron on the GC with retail/cafe at ground level and appartment above</td></tr>
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Ouch, you guys must be fuming from losing that 45 level tower!!!

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almost went up but HIH killed the project
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HIH also killed a stunner of a project in Melbourne - a resitower right next to 101 Collins. Shame.

no im not fuming, id much rather 4 towers than 1 !!

Lets just hope they're not 4 towers <20 stories.

moved to Approved, Proposed and Envisioned

hope they're big-ish bastards!

tays

Is it just me or does it seem Perth is on the verge of a residential highrise building boom?
:)

It seems like it, but we'll have to wait and see. Developers are probably keeping a close eye on the way the market is going on the East Coast and seeing whether it will have any impact out west.

the 40 story one they talked about is the Icon i guess...

this is great news... hopefully they dont build 4 20 story towers :(
hopefully they will build one big 40 story and the rest smaller like in the HIH proposal...
hopefully this proposal, icon and burswood and cinema city all get off the ground

cinema city will probably take a backseat to this project

depending on the size i think 4 years is to fast, i think they should make it a 8 year project, that would be much more viable.

i have read alot of articles say the WA market is alot different from the east coast and there is still significant demand for inner city condos

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almost went up but HIH killed the project
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nah, thats not St Georges square. The St Georges square was nicer and an ealier office project -mid 80's. It was 183m to roof with pyramidal spire-226m. ill scan the pic tonight!

I called Westpoint and Cinema City is on hold. I think it's now fair to say it probably won't go ahead.

4 towers.....my guess is that the heights will be diluted because of the number of towers. Let's hope that one is at least 25 levels. It may be something like 2x18 and 2x10. Only speculation though. And Westpoint obviously isn't scared of building high, if you look at the Cinema City proposal.

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almost went up but HIH killed the project
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nah, thats not St Georges square. The St Georges square was nicer and an ealier office project -mid 80's. It was 183m to roof with pyramidal spire-226m. ill scan the pic tonight!</td></tr>
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This image was the current proposal though - Mounts Bay East.

It had the big apartment/hotel tower, and smaller office tower, with retail. On the other side of the freeway you can see the earlier stage of the proposal - Mounts Bay Village - the buildings are sitting in a line facing the park.

This stage was completed, and consisted of about eight buildings, which rose to 10-ish storeys.

It will be cool to see the St.Georges Square rendering, and see what could have been!

I must admit, as much as I love Brisbane, I lived in Perth for 2 years, Perth is a much prettier city. Obviously Brisbane has a bigger population and more buildings etc but I reckon in 10 years Perth will be littered with classy buildings and apartments around the Swan. If you go up to Kings Park the view is amazing, the Swan River is blue not brown like Brisbane.

Perth is the place to be by 2010 and my gut feeling is that if you buy a unit now for long term investment you will do very, very well indeed.

Moose

I've just spoken to someone from Westpoint (again) and apparently Cinema City will go ahead! I'm meeting someone about it later this week.....luckily I am really interested in buying there so I won't feel guilty about prising some more info out of him!

grrrrr i so hope cinema city goes ahead, the redevelopment is needed so badly, a world class cinema complex would add so much to the city, currently the city has no modern cinemas, it would add to the range of entertainment in the city, make a city block alot more attractive, spread the skyline
this project would do wonders to bringing a heart to perth city

though if cinema city tower goes ahead the cinema redevelopment would happen first [stage 1] and i haven't heard any thing of that lately

thanks for doing some investigating for us 23 knotts !!!!

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almost went up but HIH killed the project
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nah, thats not St Georges square. The St Georges square was nicer and an ealier office project -mid 80's. It was 183m to roof with pyramidal spire-226m. ill scan the pic tonight!</td></tr>
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This image was the current proposal though - Mounts Bay East.

It had the big apartment/hotel tower, and smaller office tower, with retail. On the other side of the freeway you can see the earlier stage of the proposal - Mounts Bay Village - the buildings are sitting in a line facing the park.

This stage was completed, and consisted of about eight buildings, which rose to 10-ish storeys.

It will be cool to see the St.Georges Square rendering, and see what could have been!</td></tr>
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here we go!
This is ST GEORGES SQUARE from 1987. It was designed by architects-Oldham,Boas,Ednie-Brown .
It rose to 226m to spire/200m roof/52storeys.

This drawing is all i have.ive put in on SS.com (never built section)
http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/178828.jpg

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<tr><td align=left valign=top>grrrrr i so hope cinema city goes ahead, the redevelopment is needed so badly, a world class cinema complex would add so much to the city, currently the city has no modern cinemas, it would add to the range of entertainment in the city, make a city block alot more attractive, spread the skyline
this project would do wonders to bringing a heart to perth city

though if cinema city tower goes ahead the cinema redevelopment would happen first [stage 1] and i haven't heard any thing of that lately

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I don't mean to be neagtive towards Perth, but are you serious you guys have no cinemas in the city?? And they called Brisbane a big country town...

BTW, that St Georges Square looks bloody spectacular!!

BC...yes we do have cinemas in the city...chrisaus was referring to "modern" cinemas...I guess similar to the "multi" sceen cinemas in the suburbs:)

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almost went up but HIH killed the project
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nah, thats not St Georges square. The St Georges square was nicer and an ealier office project -mid 80's. It was 183m to roof with pyramidal spire-226m. ill scan the pic tonight!</td></tr>
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This image was the current proposal though - Mounts Bay East.

It had the big apartment/hotel tower, and smaller office tower, with retail. On the other side of the freeway you can see the earlier stage of the proposal - Mounts Bay Village - the buildings are sitting in a line facing the park.

This stage was completed, and consisted of about eight buildings, which rose to 10-ish storeys.

It will be cool to see the St.Georges Square rendering, and see what could have been!</td></tr>
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here we go!
This is ST GEORGES SQUARE from 1987. It was designed by architects-Oldham,Boas,Ednie-Brown .
It rose to 226m to spire/200m roof/52storeys.

This drawing is all i have.ive put in on SS.com (never built section)
http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/01/178828.jpg</td></tr>
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Very cool proposal Cul - but that's not on the same site!

I'm pretty sure that one is on the Bishop's See site - which is the site of the Future 239 proposal!

They could never get approval for the St Georges Square site these days, because located on the site is an historic garden. That is why Future 239 is built on 6 storey high stilts - to preserves the garden below! :)

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ok, so you have like old theatres with about 3-4 screens? Brisbane has the Regent Theatre which is a bit like that.

yep BC.
I also like the St George design,also look at what was proposed at the Woodside site next door to QV1...looks also.. Mighty fine!...maybe nicer than what is being built there now;)

also... yep Finn & Culwulla that is definitely the Bishops See site with the now proposed Future 239:)

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ok, so you have like old theatres with about 3-4 screens? Brisbane has the Regent Theatre which is a bit like that.</td></tr>
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Cinema City isn't even old in the historic sense...it's just 1980's old, and looks very dated!

we have several cinema complexes
ie. hoyts/greater union cinema city/cine centre
and picadilly cinema so only about 12 screens in total
there used to be hoyts at st martins and a few others around, but there was an over supply in screens, also we had imax that closed, omni that closed, cinema paridiso in northbridge what shows smaller films, sunset cinema in kings park, outdoor cinema at burswood and several other smaller cinemas around the inner city what all still operate
[theres a proposal for cinemas on the entertainment centre site]
though we have nothing like brisbanes modern inner city cinemas

thanks for the pics cull !!
its interesting to compare those proposals to future/woodside what are all glass, very different !!

My plan actually says for Bishop See site but i didnt connect, but i see now!
cheers

so 23 knotts you spoke to 2 people from westpoint and one made it seem like the project is happening and the other made you think that its not ?

1 person (who didn't deal with Cinema City specifically) said he thought it was still on hold, but then he went off to find out more information and said that they are thinking of starting marketing and that it was going to go ahead. I'll find out more on Friday.

oh
cheers for clearing that up
i really hope this goes ahead, i think its much more important than icon
actually its the cinema upgrade im really pushing for, the tower is needed to but the cinemas my god !!
tower tower wouldn't be able to start construction for some time if they do up the cinemas
i can't wait for the update
and im sure if its not going ahead they will still try and sell you a appartment in pacific internation or paragon:D
try and get some goss on the potential heights for the emu brewrey site, and beg them to build up:D

wow that design at the bishops house site looks great! should be built somewhere else here IMO.

hopefully the 4 towers r actually worth being built. im with you chris, i really wanna see Cinema City upgraded. wen i go to those movies down the lil arcade, it looks so dogey and scabby. it seriously needs an upgrade.

mike

the deal is 100%
there is a sold sign on the site !!

work still progressing on 239 site.. would look great on the crn of mill/st ger terr having a panorama of woodside, 239 and this new project all UC

just because they buy the land doesnt mean they will build the towers..

future 239 will look fuckin awesome from kings park

OK, Westpoint say that Cinema City will definitely go ahead. It is due to be launched in June/July. There may be up to 300 apts and hotel apts. Apparently the standard will be very high and there will be resident parking. It will reach 97m.

Apparently Westpoint don't view the Emu site as providing that much competition as a large proportion of Cinema City is going to be hotel apts.

As far as the Emu site is concerned, I wouldn't place too much emphasis on "4 towers". They said that demand in Perth will not necessarily be enough for that on that site alone. Plans are at a REALLY early stage and the project will be staged over at least 5 years.

I am speculating, but I don't think anything will happen for a while there and we'll probably end up with 1 or 2 towers and a panorama garden-court-type structure.

Anyway, it's great that Cinema City is taking priority as it is really needed in that location and I'd rather we got that than 2 18 level buildings at Emu. It's better to wait for something bigger.:D

great news on cinema city
though they still have to get funding

i wish they stage emu brewrey over 15 years so we got 4 decent sized towers

hopefully the emu project is staged so one twoer is built first then wait a while so icon can still go ahead...
anyways i dont think the emu site is that good for apartments.. pretty noisy next to the fwy...

Perthguy, there's a wonderful thing called noise proofing (walls, windows).

Fantastic News on Cinema City...thanx 23knots.
Hopefully this will start a trend towards bulking up these streets North of the Tce.

I remember reading that the developer/owner of Barrack Square was pushing for a complete over haul of barrack street with the announcement of his apartment tower, getting all the owners of buildings along Barrack to consider redevelopment. Already theres been a few retail redevelopments and now Cinema City looks set to take off. I would love to see the redevelopment of that Old building on the corner of St Georges tce and Barrack.

the treasury building was going to be turned into a hotel, that plan didn't go ahead, but a study has just been complete for the planed redevelopment, possiblilities include a 10,000 sqare metre office tower between the town hall and the treasury building to help pay for the redevelopment

Now I remember. Thanks for jogging my memory Chris. I would love to see a hotel built over the top (inbetween the Treasury and Town Hall) with retail beneath. I guess anything proposed for the site will have a better chance of going up now considering all the work starting down Barrack.

Dear Chris,

Yes, the Cinema City project is going ahead with upgraded cinemas and a
tower. We are currently in the design phase of the project and would expect
to have action on the site later in the year.

Kind regards
WESTPOINT MANAGEMENT LTD


CARLA SAMBELL
Personal Assistant / Investor Relations Officer

Ph: 9322 8899
Fax: 9321 8199
Email:csambell@westpoint.com.au

"WA Business News understands that West-point Group plans to progress with a 1,000 dwelling residential development on its 1.8 hectare Spring Street site."

http://www.businessnews.com.au/story.php?P_category=1&nid=10937
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Hold on - 1,000 "dwellings" on the Emu Brewery site? So maybe 4x45 levels or 2 towers over 50 levels? Let's not get too excited about this yet cos there might be some sort of mistake....

If it's right though that would be fantastic news - better for it to be built high over a long period than 18-level "towers" all being built within the next couple of years.

I suppose the success of Icon might have some bearing on how Westpoint's plans are finalised.

:eek2:

i so hope those figures r right! :eek:

mike

look @ westpoints other developments pacific international about 200 apartments/hotel rooms paragon about 150 apartment cinema city about 300 apartments/hotel rooms, so they seem to pack alot of apartments into small complexes and have small apartments. @ that many apartments they won't be able to have all big ones so really they might pack 400 apartments into a 40 level tower @ 10 a level, theres not the demand for huge apartments. also i think 1000 apartments sounds way to huge, it would be great but i can't see that happening or there being the demand

This is great news. Westpoint are going to have to build tall to get the most out of the river views. A couple of Icon size towers shouldn't be to much to ask for.

the massive emu brewrew site in the booming westend of the CBD pic>>>>
http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/im/df/178830/

Sweet,I hope it's a huge 100 storey tower with a massive open space next to it.Eight floors of retail and numerous brothels:D

were u bin nzer?
... yeah we all hope that

I just been chillin,G.

If this site does get used for a huge apartment development,they should build a walkway to the busport.It will have a pretty significant impact on the area,hopefully not just the one development being all.

perths becoming to posh with alll these apartments what happend to houses in thhe city !

WTF



Houses in the city.......your trippin man

lol yeah i know but itd be coo anyways r u livin in nz or perth !

No I live in New Zealand but I just visited Perth for the 5th time and can't wait till I visit the 6th time.
:)

wered u go this time ?? did u take photos???

No I didn't take pics coz I'm a useless cunt.

I walked around heaps.Took the train to Subi & Freo.

UPDATE approval is sought to construct a temporary show room building on the emu brewey site. the building would house four sales offices, 2 display apartments and marketing for the future devlopment worth $800,000
"On june 20 2003 an application was submitted to the city seekinhg approval to develop the site for a mixed use complex comprised of residential apartments, offices, shops, a tavern, health club, restauarnts and 6 levels of parking. this application will be presented to council in due course"
"the applicants will be seeking approval under a seperate application for a major residential and commercial development on the site, which would likely to be developed in 3 stages should it be approved"
:eek:
wow this is all happening fast!

"future devlopment worth $800,000"
the future development is worth $800,000 , what is it? a tin shack?

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no the display centre is going to cost $800,000 to build

bahaha i certainly hope its not gonne be only $800000 worth ;)

"major residential and commercial development on the site, which would likely to be developed in 3 stages should it be approved"

major. how major. major as in 20 storey's. major as in 50 stories!? god these people are vague! also does "3 stages" mean 3 towers? you cant really build a building in 3 stages i mean, wat is only 2 end up happening? perhaps its like 2 towers and a big commercial complex.

mike

That sounds majorly exciting.

Only I am tempted to say, because the developer is Westpoint, that the tallest thing that will ever get up on that site will probably be the show flats........

Perthsmike, who can tell? At least the previous proposal, Mounts Bay Plaza, was 35-40 stories so developers aren't going to be constrained by purely psychological restraints based on the height of what's been build nearby (Terrace Road - 18 stories....)

the previous proposal had a 45 level residential tower. I got those quotes from the council agendas, the residential development should go to the vote in the next month. there has been talk of up to 1000 apartments for the site. when it goes to council all the info will be available in the council agendas
[www.perth.wa.gov.au] don't forget icon was approved a short distance from the site with a 60% plot ratio bonus

1,000 apartments have got to equate to something more than 20 stories if being conservative. Surely I would say.

that was only talk, many things change. and look at pacific international they are cramming about 200+ hotel rooms & apartments into a 10 level building

Put your talk where ya poll is and go and vote in the poll I made Chris :)

Mixed use,eh?
Woodside + Icon = 260m+

I'm dreaming again,but I wouldn't put it past Perth to suddenly do that - instead of slowly building up to it like everywhere else:guns1:

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Woodside + Icon = 260m+

I'm dreaming again,but I wouldn't put it past Perth to suddenly do that - instead of slowly building up to it like everywhere else:guns1:</td></tr>
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its a large site, im sure 2 off the towers will make use of river views. I hope its like chevron on the GC, with a retail plaza on ground floor surrounded by towers, would look great, and could be quite viable being right in the financial district, close to the new rail station and opposite the PCEC

Retail would be great in this area because it would 'extend the CBD' as far as shoppers are concerned.
The views from an apartment on any of the upper floors would be sensational,I can't even picture how amazing it would be to stand 150m or so above the ground on that site:)

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and no more QV1 more some angles. they are building a viewing deck on the display centre to show the views. remembers it westpoint though they need to fund it and go ahead with it yet.

But QV1 will block the new tower from some northerly views:bleep:

Who was the developer of the Mounts Bay Plaza proposal,I forget:?

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westpoint group
www.westpoint.com.au

i think it was mutiplex. if its not im sure its the same as the smaller monts bay village

no it was FAI... HIH

the site has a plot ratio of up to 75,000sqm compared to icon towers 25,000sqm

75,000sqm,does that mean this is the maximum space allowed for construction on the site?

kinda, that was in the 1st planning scheme there is a new draft planning scheme with different regulations and also you can get bonuses etc... the last proposal had a 43 & a 15 level tower...

I liked the last proposal,but now there is a chance of something bigger so I'm not so sad it fell through.

Multiple towers seem to be the most common idea for the site,it isn't a flat site either it slopes down to the South and East from its top corner on Spring St.

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expect it to be design around getting the most apartments to have river views, that will be its main selling point

Yes probably tallest tower at the back with 1-2 smaller ones in front,I'll be taking a very keen interest in what happens to his site:)

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remember
westpoint = dodgy
:D

What is it with Westpoint,do they have a reputation I have never heard about?

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hmm they are pretty average, look at cinema city and they have been constantly delaying projects australia wide, and they don't provide enough parking in their devleopments, though paragon CBD turned out very nice

this is their brisbane project,maybe a possible development is 2 towers like that on the northern side of the site with a ground scraper at the front with a giant retail podium covering all the site... [well thats my guess]
http://www.westpoint.com.au/pictures/Ann%20Street/Perspective.gif

When I tried to say cinema city looked plain everyone dissagreed with me....

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it would look great in that part of town that lacks interesting bulidings/height
http://www.westpoint.com.au/pictures/CinemaCity/CinemaElev.jpg

i dont think it looks plain. plus liek chris said it will be good for that area of town (and i want the movies to be upgraded! damn that carpet!!)

mike :)

I saw an old pic of Perth once which had a great 8 level building on the spot whre Cinema City is going,what a waste that it is gone.

a $8m upgrade to the cinema complex has been approved though no action, not sure if the hangs on the balance of the tower being upgraded. though those cinema arnt to bad, though nothing like the new flash ones in the suburbs

If there was significant retail at Emu Brewery site do you think people who were attending a function at the Convention Centre would go shopping there as well as King St/West End,instead of walking to the Malls?

It would be great if some of the quieter streets started to pick up,with arcades being developed further West along Murray/Hay Sts.:)

the showroom was approved by and absolute majority, greg rowe who is overseeing the development was sitting 2 rows infront and I overheard some chat about the development what sounded very positive, they also have heaps of plans and rendering on the walls though they were near the councilors so i couldn't really go and look during the meeting, might go early and have a look next time. the security was very high, went parked down below got strait in a lift and went in and they didn't have any security guards, WOW lol

Has the last building on the sit been demolished yet?I remember for a while there was just one in the top corner of the site,it was only about 2 stories as well as a small carpark at one time.

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yeah ages ago, all there is now is weeds and dirt and a giant sold sign. the crn of milligan & the terrace might rival william & the terrace one day for skyscrapers

Yeah,but how could anything top BankWest:D

Don't forget the massive pools of water that have built up at the bottom. I swear there's a city of frogs in there!!!

This thread reminds me of the 'Advertiser Site' thread in the SA forum:D

not really the application has actully been lodged with the council for this project and the site is sold

Yeah, this is reality Nzer ;)

Not to mention that this project will probably be two or three times the size of that Advertiser proposal (if is it a real proposal after all).

westpoint called my house today for some random thing to ask about equity or something.... hmmm

You shoulda scored a piece of the action

Originally posted by chrisaus

westpoint called my house today for some random thing to ask about equity or something.... hmmm

They assume u r interested in buying... I would imagine.

Originally posted by Homeroids

They assume u r interested in buying... I would imagine.

nah just spam we get call like that every second day trying to sell us shit, i pissed me off

Just a snippet from todays Fin Review:

$450m project spawns 960 apartments
Norm Carey's Westpoint Corp has demonstrated its faith in Perth's inner-city apartment market with plans for a $450 million integrated development on the former Emu Brewery site. By Mark Drummond (Jul 18)

Sounds extremely promising.
:)

Norm Carey's Westpoint Corp has demonstrated its faith in Perth's inner-city apartment market with plans for a $450 million integrated development on the former Emu Brewery site.

Westpoint, which bought the vacant 1.8 hectare development site for $25 million in January, has submitted a structure plan to the Perth City Council for one of the biggest residential developments undertaken in Perth's CBD.

The former Emu Brewery site is on the corner of Mounts Bay Road and Spring Street at the western end of Perth's CBD, opposite the $200 million convention and exhibition centre being built by Multiplex Constructions.

Westpoint funds management managing director Richard Beck said the development plan for the former Emu Brewery site included a total of 960 apartments to be built in three separate buildings, ranging in height from 20 storeys to 40 storeys.

Mr Beck said the development would also include a series of mixed-use buildings, plaza areas, a food and beverage precinct fronting Mount Street and a pedestrian bridge linking the site to the convention and exhibition centre.

He said the resort-style facilities for the apartment owners would include an outdoor swimming pool with an artificial beach, tennis and squash courts and a private health club.

Mr Beck said it was possible the development could include serviced apartments, suitable for delegates attending conferences at the convention centre.

Multiplex is building a $28 million five-star serviced apartment tower with 138 rooms within the convention centre complex.

Mr Beck said Westpoint would begin its pre-sale program as soon as it was granted the necessary development approvals from the Perth City Council and the West Australian Planning Commission.

The Westpoint proposal will face competition from Ralph Sarich's Cape Bouvard Investments, which is planning to build a 34-level apartment tower with a total of 123 apartments on a car park site just a few hundred metres east along Mounts Bay Road.

However, Mr Beck said he believed there was sufficient demand in Perth for an integrated lifestyle development like Westpoint's.

"There is still a very significant underlying demand in the Perth market for inner city apartments," Mr Beck said.

"Perth still lags well behind Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne for inner city residential developments. People are being drawn back to the city and lifestyle apartment living incorporating all amenities on site."

A recent report by Jones Lang LaSalle concluded that factors such as Western Australia's strong economic growth and the growing acceptance of apartment living meant Perth's inner city apartment market had a sustainable future, despite growing at the rate of 29 per cent since 1996.
:guns1: :cheers: :D

An early concern is the sheer number of apartments which Westpoint will have to market. It also sounds like they will be small - not in line with current demand. I think these guys are a bit mad....!

wow thats one masssive development, 1000 apartments is bloody massive. this will have a huge effect on the market there's no way it won't, perth cant cope with all theres developments. up to 40 levels thats pretty good thats about 120-130m. sounds like they really want to get this up fast, compared to cinema city they are going lightning speed. they did say they are going to do it over 3 years, though I think 6-10 is more realistic for perth. the apartment will be very small to. though they will be small apartments and small apartments are selling very well in perth ie. 1br 1br though not sure if the market is that big. I like the sound of the retail/plaza! lets hope there affordable and sell well and the inner city apartment living gets very popular fast so this can go ahead and all the other proposals still do, we don't want to see burswood lakes and gateway fail.
not sure wether to be stocked, happy, sad, or what
:cheers:

wow cool. A high probability of another 40 storey building.

Originally posted by Homeroids

wow cool. A high probability of another 40 storey building.

if theres 3 towers 20-40 levels wonder how big the middle tower is ie. 20 levels ? levels & 40 levels
this proposal is quite abit bigger than the mounts bay village one, though a heap more apartments.

People need to go to my Poll thread and put there talkin to vote :)

The old proposal was for a 45story tower right?...anyhow still great news!...This old pic gives us an idea for what we are installed for minus 5 storys:D ....plus add about 8floors to the other building......plus add another tower say about 30floors;) being the third tower :D
http://www.mount-bay-apartment-hotel.com.au/images/development.jpg

if all this goes ahead it'll be a huge boost for us.

This is great news,Perth CBD's population must be growing at a phenomenal rate by now.

Can't wait for a rendering !!!

Westpoint has released a preliminary information memorandum to raise funds for initial project costs.

There isn't much new that we don't know (and no renderings yet), but as a summary:

1. on completion, the development may accommodate as many as 1,750 residents and 1,000 office workers. Commercial, retail, entertainment and recreation facilities will create a "resort" lifestyle.

2. office building will be aimed at resources companies.

3. On the Mounts Bay Road side, terrace style buildings stepping up from the street will "soften" the feel of the taller buildings.

4. construction of the first "Mounts Bay Tower" is scheduled to commence in mid 2004 and will take approx 24 mths to complete (subject to pre-sales of course).

5. $2 million media marketing campaign planned, marketing scheduled to start in September.

http://www.westpoint.com.au/pictures/emu/64041WPemu.pdf

good to see this project moving so fast, it still hasn't got council approval though, good to see the big allocation for marketing!, I guess cinema city is dead... lets hope they can raise the funds. ahh still no rendering!

stage 1 alone is worth almost $150m

the site
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid72/p4d311791b1ac62bc7134944e52e667bb/fb860149.jpg
the site in relation to icon [arrow] and convention centre [blue]
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid72/p208baaa39b0b38e3429c844ff9f394a0/fb86013c.jpg

Go West End:guns1:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p517cea8aa441fbed585728baa770120b/fb707325.jpg

Looks like you did a bit of walkin today chris : )

alot were taken from the car....

big news! im getting heights of the 3 Emu Brewery towers soon!
I contacted Westpoint and they are gettig back to me with heights for the three towers-
tower 1-21storeys (due to start next year)
tower 2-32storeys (start 2005)
tower 3-43storeys (start 2006)

There only known as tower 1,2 3 atm .
My estimate
21storeys 65m?
32storeys 100m?
43storeys 130m?
excellent!
cheers

thanks for that, a pretty impressive development in perth's context, lets hope it gets approval and sells well and are nice designs. if the 43 level tower gets up it will take over icon as perths tallest residential!

It will be good when all the major development sites are used up, cause the CBD will have to start moving north. If the sinking of both the rail lines goes ahead it will certainly help. Very good to see some decent developments off the Terrace.

hope it has heaps of glass I want the main skyline to remain full of blue glass towers, not ugly concrete balcony filled condos, so lets hope for a top class design!

i like the way they have planned it out over these years now. hopefully the resi market will be strong like it is now in the upcoming years

Originally posted by CULWULLA
big news! im getting heights of the 3 Emu Brewery towers soon!
I contacted Westpoint and they are gettig back to me with heights for the three towers-
tower 1-21storeys (due to start next year)
tower 2-32storeys (start 2005)
tower 3-43storeys (start 2006)

There only known as tower 1,2 3 atm .
My estimate
21storeys 65m?
32storeys 100m?
43storeys 130m?
excellent!
cheers
BTW cull, do u reckon they would be any renderings released yet???(if so would it be pssible if you could get em.) and could you find out when marketing will start.
thanks!!!

marketing would start in the next few months and should go to council in a couple of weeks

will all three towers go or will one at a time go to council???

Originally posted by dilaz89
will all three towers go or will one at a time go to council???

they are seeking amendments to the current approved plan so it will probably all go at once....

Originally posted by chrisaus
they are seeking amendments to the current approved plan so it will probably all go at once....
the heights of the 3 towers have already been determend ,The planner mentioned the DA had been lodged!

yeah in june im saying council will vote on it very soon.....

here it is!!! all the heights and stats!!>>
got this email this last night!
the three towers heights are as follows-
tower 1-87m/26storeys (RL89m)
tower 2-117m/36storeys (Rl119m)
tower 3-124m/40storeys (Rl142m)
the first two towers are alot higher than i thought but 3rd tower is shorter :( oh well, looke like Icon will be tallest resi for a while.

a brief description-

The application proposes a mixed-use development on the former Emu Brewery
site, consisting of three high-rise residential towers, three low-rise
mixed use buildings, a six-level car park, centrally located recreation
area and public plaza/pedestrian spaces. The development will incorporate
960 residential apartments occupying 85,347m2 of floorspace, with 2,123m2
of shop floorspace, 1,821m2 of office floorspace, a 1,143m2 tavern, 1,237m2
of health club facilities, 977m2 of restaurant floorspace and a six-level
car park containing 1,780 car bays, service bays and end-of-trip bicycle
facilities.

The residents' recreation areas and public spaces within the development
will be extensively landscaped and incorporate street furniture, public art
and water features. Off-site works include:
· a pedestrian bridge over Mounts Bay Road connecting the site to the
Perth Convention and Exhibition Centre;
· improvements to pedestrian infrastructure on Mounts Bay Road;
· streetscape enhancement works to Spring Street and the Mount Street /
Spring Street intersection; and
· traffic management works.

A plot ratio of 5.33:1, equating to a floor area of 98,774m2, is proposed
for the development. As such, the residential component of the development
will exceed the permitted residential plot ratio of 2.0:1 by 143.5 per
cent, and the total development would exceed the plot ratio applicable to
non-residential development on the site by 33 per cent or 24,642m². A
range of community facilities and amenities are proposed in support of this
bonus.

The key elements of the development are described below.

Park Wing:
A seven level building referred to as the 'Park Wing' is proposed on the
Mounts Bay Road frontage of the site. This building comprises two levels
of commercial floorspace (containing 1,066m2 of offices, lobbies and
bicycle parking) and five residential levels accommodating 39 apartments
(ranging in size from 60m2 to 107m2). Entry to the apartments is via a
lobby at the building's western end. The roof space of the building will
be developed as a landscaped terrace. The Park Wing will provide an active
edge to Mounts Bay Road.

Tower 1 (87m high):
Positioned at the south-west corner of the site and partially over the Park
Wing will be a 26-level building accommodating 210 residential apartments.
Pedestrian entry to Tower 1 is gained from the lobby at the western end of
the Park Wing. The typical floors of the tower each contain 10 apartments
ranging in size from 64m2 to 107m2.

Tower 2 (117m high):
Tower 2 is a 36-storey building located at the south-east corner of the
site, adjacent to the Mounts Bay Road / Spring Street intersection. Tower
2 contains 313m2 of office space fronting Mounts Bay Road (Level LL05) and
395m2 of shops at the lower end of Spring Street (Level LL04) where a small
public plaza will be created. An additional 277m2 of shop space will be
provided on Level LL01, facing the proposed public pedestrian space within
the site. A total of 305 residential apartments are proposed in Tower 2.
The typical floors of the tower each contain 10 apartments ranging in size
from 63m2 to 106m2. The upper five floors (Levels 26 to 30) will be
reduced to seven apartments to add articulation to the building's shape and
to reduce its mass. A landscaped terrace has been created on the offset
roof space of Tower 2.

Tower 3 (124m high):
A 40 level residential tower will be situated at the north-east corner of
the site, at the corner of Spring and Mount Streets. Tower 3 will
accommodate shop (1,078m2), office (442m2) and restaurant (212m2) uses on
the lower levels (Levels LL02, LL01 and 00) to activate the public domain,
and 376 residential apartments. The typical residential floors of the
tower each contain 11 apartments ranging in size from 77m2 to 114m2.
Similar to Tower 2, Level 33 of Tower 3 will be reduced to seven apartments
and Levels 34 to 38 will be reduced to six apartments to add articulation
to the building's shape and to reduce its mass. Open landscaped terraces
have been created on the offset roof spaces of Tower 3.

Plaza Wing:
The 'Plaza Wing' is a low-rise, three-storey building fronting Mount
Street. The Plaza Wing will provide the focus of non-residential
activities through the establishment of a food and beverage precinct at
street level. It comprises a series of commercial tenancies at ground
level suitable for shop, restaurant and cafe uses. A boutique tavern with
an ancillary brewery is proposed at the western end of the building,
comprised of three levels (each 381m2). The tavern provides a link to the
site's former brewing activities.

A total of 20 apartments (ranging in size from 59m2 to 80m2) are proposed
on the upper two levels of the Plaza Wing. The apartments are orientated
toward either Mount Street or the internal recreation area. The roof space
of the building will be developed as a landscaped terrace.

Garden Wing:
Situated between (and connecting) Tower 1 and the Plaza Wing is a four
storey building referred to as the 'Garden Wing', containing a health club
on the lower two floors (incorporating a heated lap pool and spa, massage
rooms, saunas, gym, weights training, exercise space and change rooms), and
10 residential apartments on the upper two floors, ranging in size from
60m2 to 74m2.

Recreation Precinct and Resident Facilities:
The centre of the development has been designed to provide two landscaped
recreation spaces that include a resort style pool, spa pools, barbecue
facilities and passive recreation spaces for the use of the residents.
Water emanating in this zone will connect adjacent passive recreational
areas via streams, cascades and pools. Adjacent to the main recreational
precinct is the 'Garden Wing' health club and spa. The lap pool enclosure
is double height with overhead doors that can be opened to create an
indoor/outdoor pool with an external sundeck. Other recreation facilities,
including a full size tennis court, squash courts and change facilities,
are located below Mitchell Freeway. These amenities are located to allow
all necessary maintenance access to the freeway structure. A landscaped
park buffer is located on Lot 21 between the facilities and Mounts Bay Road
to provide greater public amenity and to connect the development at
pedestrian level to Mounts Bay Village west of the freeway.

It is proposed to recognise and commemorate the site's pre and post
settlement associations through such mediums as public art, commemorative
plaques, heritage trails, theming and naming of public spaces, introduction
of water features and photographic displays.

Vehicle Access and Car Parking:
On-site parking facilities will be provided for 1,593 residential car bays,
78 visitor car bays, 92 commercial tenant car bays, disabled car bays and
service bays

Thanks Cul!!! Shame about the heights, but it's better than a slap on the belly with a wet fish:D

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
Thanks Cul!!! Shame about the heights, but it's better than a slap on the belly with a wet fish:D
the site has a 16m slope from Mounts street down to Mounts bay road. RL2 -RL18. The tallest tower is located at highest part of site thus top being Rl142m which is 1metre higher than Woodsides wing, so it will be a great addition to skyline!

thanx cull!
this is certainly a massive development!
im quite spectical about it being approved though, its a massive massive plot ration bonus, much bigger than icons historical bonus, also icon is a much smaller scale development and that had 4 votes against.
the apartments should be pretty affordable seems there going to be small
hope its not a 'hong kong' styled development and they are attractive towers, not CE and devine styled towers that are just conrete ugly walls

cheers cull!!!im crying with happiness!!!!!!!

heres a scanned pic of the site i was sent. not sure on towers locations but i know tallest is on mount st and other two faces spring and Mount bar road in lower corners..
cheers

http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2003/08/210435.jpg

freeway left [west]
spring street right [east]
mount street top [north]
mounts bay roads bottom [south]

Let's face it, this is awesome news. Three towers, the smallest of which is a pretty decent height. All this after 10 years of virtually no construction in Perth, all the "dullsville" crap and a CBD with no life. At this elevation, the skyline will look great.

If this goes ahead (let's see how the sales for Icon go) I think it's going to spearhead more residential in the city, not soak up demand. More people equals better CBD services, more entertainment facilities, more shops, and more people who want to live in an area which is considered desirable.

I do have doubts about the number of apartments Westpoint will be trying to sell though - it's a lot.

they will attract a totally different market to icon, icon is being marketing overseas and the apartments are ALOT more expensive...
though for perth more residents means less nightlife because they bitch when they move in next door to a club/bar
they bring the suburbs to the city

Originally posted by 23knots
Let's face it, this is awesome news. Three towers, the smallest of which is a pretty decent height. All this after 10 years of virtually no construction in Perth, all the "dullsville" crap and a CBD with no life. At this elevation, the skyline will look great.

If this goes ahead (let's see how the sales for Icon go) I think it's going to spearhead more residential in the city, not soak up demand. More people equals better CBD services, more entertainment facilities, more shops, and more people who want to live in an area which is considered desirable.

I do have doubts about the number of apartments Westpoint will be trying to sell though - it's a lot.
The council told me there definately starting early next year on excavations and tower 1!
So its all positive news!

Originally posted by CULWULLA
[SIZE=4]
A plot ratio of 5.33:1, equating to a floor area of 98,774m2, is proposed
for the development. As such, the residential component of the development
will exceed the permitted residential plot ratio of 2.0:1 by 143.5 per
cent, and the total development would exceed the plot ratio applicable to
non-residential development on the site by 33 per cent or 24,642m². A
range of community facilities and amenities are proposed in support of this
bonus.


icons plot ration was 7:69:1

ICON DEVELOPMENT

6 FOR: Lord Mayor Nattrass, Butler, Mc Evoy, Scaffidi, Tan, Sutherland
3 AGAINST: Tudori, Davision, Kay [there are the people we have to bride:D]

WOW! All this is totally great! Thanks so much for the info Cul, much appreciated. I wasn’t expecting to hear a project proposal on this site for years but this is great! The sheer magnitude of this whole project makes it very exciting and it will look totally awesome in that area of town. Now all we need are classy renderings!

Mike :D

parking bays @ pacific international cost $40,000 each!!
though they are including alot of parking in emu brewery

so chris are you going to the meeting tonite????if so try and snap up sum rederings 4 us!

Originally posted by dilaz89
so chris are you going to the meeting tonite????if so try and snap up sum rederings 4 us!

its on tuesday... nah all you laza people can wait! also emu brewrey doesen't go to council tomorow...

I spoke to greg rowe in the lift, he said the application should go to council by sept-oct and they are currently working with coucil on a few matter regarding the development... I now have conections in the development world:D

:master:

have groundworks started causei saw bulldozers and stuff on the northern part of the site(opposite qv1)

Originally posted by dilaz89
have groundworks started causei saw bulldozers and stuff on the northern part of the site(opposite qv1)

its possible... are you sure it wasn't the future 239 site? though that did finish pre-works there ages ago. im sure they wouldn't need council approval just to prepare the site. maybe they are starting work on the display centre.

100% sure. i remeber looking there first and saw nothing then looked ova at emu brewery and saw it. is it possible it could be the marketing centre?

Originally posted by dilaz89
100% sure. i remeber looking there first and saw nothing then looked ova at emu brewery and saw it. is it possible it could be the marketing centre?

the marketing centre is proposed for the north eastern side of the site closest to QV1 so your probably right... if not we kill you:guns1: :D

This is so much better than the old proposal,It didn't take long for someone else to snap up this block of land.
Good times:)

Originally posted by NZer
This is so much better than the old proposal,It didn't take long for someone else to snap up this block of land.
Good times:)

wait till you see a rendering b4 you get to happy...

actually i remember seeing a big poster with 3 very beatiful towers and seeing this big writing that said "starting in december". them my freind hit me and i woke up:D

you are correct the bulldozers and flatteners were working on the northern part of the site today

so u recun its the marketing centre or groundworks in general???

you can see where they are working on
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/p797a44dfd837b30e44b0dcb387e0e6f3/fb3d97f9.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid77/p6e094fa987646b81dce780cb78f3b46e/fb3d97fb.jpg

did u go for another heli ride 2day? i saw the emu brewery site again. there is now a portable office there

Originally posted by dilaz89
did u go for another heli ride 2day? i saw the emu brewery site again. there is now a portable office there

thats where the workers bum around

Originally posted by chrisaus
thats where the workers bum around
and then complain to the CFMEU that their doing too much work and getting no enough pay!

I have contacted Westpoint and the name of the Emu Brewery development is "Mounts Bay Towers".

I spoke with a lead designer in Sydney for the project and he said that they would make the 40 floor tower about 60 floors but the Perth City council is already baulking at 40 floors...

There is a law that says Parliament House must have river views forever, so this site is delicate when dealing with height.

Construction costs also increase when going above 40. he also told me that Cinema City is far from dead.

They will also be building more significant projects in the future as their faith in the Perth market is great.

M.B.T Goes to council in about 2 weeks.

Good to hear about Cinema City...I really want this one to happen!...more than Emu...well besides the 40 story tower:D

go cinema city!!!!! its a decent sized tower off the terrace so its much needed!!!!!!

they have been saying for ages its going to happen with no action, its been aproved for 1-2 years. yet emu brewrey isn't approved and they have already started clearing the site...

hey yea thats true. i mite ring or email em about it(and tell them not to keep shittin us on) wasnt it supposed to start mid '03

Also some of the render pics I've seen of Cinema City looks like it's a twin tower development???.

They would of preferred to build a 60 story tower for Emu!!?:cry:

guys hate the skrew the party but im 90% sure the emu brewery is going to be ugly as, the rendering may look okay but I think it will turn out quite yuck and look shit in the mainly glass office skyline.... though I guess we will have to wait and see if I have the lowest expectations I can be disipointed

You can be so negative sometimes Chris!:D
As long as it isn't brown in color like the old proposal we should be ok.
http://www.mount-bay-apartment-hotel.com.au/images/development.jpg
Brown not our color;)

Originally posted by chrisaus
guys hate the skrew the party but im 90% sure the emu brewery is going to be ugly as, the rendering may look okay but I think it will turn out quite yuck and look shit in the mainly glass office skyline.... though I guess we will have to wait and see if I have the lowest expectations I can be disipointed

Well, that's what real cityscapes are like! A variety of buildings forms/materials/facades! It just shows that the Perth CBD is diversifying, and should have a great effect on the most important aspect of the surrounding area, which is the enjoyment of the people who function within it, i.e. through increased street-life and activity!

Always look at the positive impact of developments before you whinge about other things! There is nothing wrong with balconies! I would hate hate hate to live in a high-rise apartment without a balcony if I lived in Perth - the weather is just too good to spend all your time boxed up in a hermetically sealed capsule! ;)

Originally posted by chrisaus
guys hate the skrew the party but im 90% sure the emu brewery is going to be ugly as, the rendering may look okay but I think it will turn out quite yuck and look shit in the mainly glass office skyline.... though I guess we will have to wait and see if I have the lowest expectations I can be disipointed

how do you know already???

That rendering above is NOT of the current project, the tallest 40 floor tower will be in the very north east of the site directly in front of QV1.

Peter Wallace in the Westpoint office in Sydney has said that the design is extremely innovative, he has been working in Asia, namely Singapore, Hong King and Taiwan and the towers will be reflecting the regional architecture.

Dont underestimate this project, Westpoint are putting everything they have into it.

They are taking advantage of a natural spring in the site to add a huge water feature in the centre of the site and the freeway to the West will be covered to link it with the facilities on the other side.

also this project could overheat the market, they should stage it over a longer period, over the last few years inner city perth has been completing 600-800 apartments so if they realese about 300 apartments a year that about 40-50% of the years supply on one project. mirvac-fini have alot more knowledge of the market and they are only releasing 120 a year. lets just hope they arn't going to overheat the market and force other projects out of the market, this is a huge site it doesen't have to be developed all in one shot right away.

Originally posted by Aussie Andrew
That rendering above is NOT of the current project, the tallest 40 floor tower will be in the very north east of the site directly in front of QV1.

Peter Wallace in the Westpoint office in Sydney has said that the design is extremely innovative, he has been working in Asia, namely Singapore, Hong King and Taiwan and the towers will be reflecting the regional architecture.

Dont underestimate this project, Westpoint are putting everything they have into it.

They are taking advantage of a natural spring in the site to add a huge water feature in the centre of the site and the freeway to the West will be covered to link it with the facilities on the other side.
rocstar mentioned it was an old proposal! read back a few pages and youll see my description for the site as told to me from planners/architects.
They should never of pulled down the 130ft brick chimney which was part of old hospital! these structures a relics and are now saved from demolition. they make a great sculpture type structure in a park or plaza area. this example can be seen in alot of redvelopemnts in Australia. Its leaves a memento of what was there. at the moment there is nothing left on the site that shows it was am historic hospital with heaps of memories! what a shame!

To Culwalla,

mate could you delete my thread about Mounts Bay Towers and move my comments to the old Emu Brewery thread (I see youve renamed it - very good)

Hate seeing the double entry

Completely agree with Chrisaus about developing the site in stages.

I think a singular 60 floor tower would be good to start then see how the market goes.

Norm Carey (Westpoint owner) mentioned that 9/11 had a major impact on their consideration of height, they dont want to build an iconic tower like Eureka as people are worried about terrorism. I think however that promoting "Perth's tallest building" would be a marketing dream, who wouldnt live on the 55th floor with panoramic views forever??? 50 million for the penthouse that has 360 views of the entire city. Somehow I think someone would pay it.

Also, considering the natural spring on the site hence "spring" street. I think "Mounts Bay Springs" would be a good name for the project.

Maybe piping the natural springs to fountains in the foyers in each tower would be great!

I think they are going to use the spring water in the spas and pool...

Culwalla - get back to me in regards to tidying up my posts, thanks for renaming the emu brewery thread.

I think lobbying for height allowances from us all to the Perth city council will help this project. Go to www.cityofperth.wa.gov.au and just fill in the forms, people power!

Also on another note, could we please go to the "Rate our skylines" section in this site and vote for Perth. Its number 19 at the moment and Id like to see it in the top ten.

Cheers all.

what forms do you fill out on the PCC site?

hmm lets looks at their other 2 perth projects [completed]
1 PARAGON- 17 levels and about 150 apartments, nice tower, though not the best sales, with a retail arcade - lack of parking
2 PACIFIC INTERNATIONAL- very badly designed at street level, not the most flattering design, a heap of apartments and serviced apartment squashed into a small building

emu brewrey = your guess is a good as mine...

To chris (& all)

Thought there was a feedback form on the City Of Perth site but found the following address (see end of post) which I want everybody to email regarding the Emu Brewery site (Mounts Bay Towers) for the issues pertaining to the development including:

Maximising the height of the towers as the views from this location are unparallel with any other in the city;

Westpoint wants to maximise the size of the project;

Any new major towers would act like a giant advertising beacon for the city, not to mention more ratepayers for city funds, especially if they get involved in the building's design. Gold tinted, reflective glass perhaps?.

Putting the proposed 20 floor tower onto the 40 would remove the issues relating to views from parliament House, the new 60 floor tower would be hidden from view by QV1.

And of course anything else you can think of.

I dont want this site's potential to be wasted.

forums@cityofperth.wa.gov.au

If the largest tower was 60 floors it would have a good blocking effect on QV1 from the South,but the other towers would only be 15 floors?

Perhaps this would be best because you would still see the top half of Woodside.

Whatever happens,it looks like there are big plans for the site in terms of the number of apartments it will contain and who knows how much Perths residential market will grow in the next few years.:)

i recun they should wait to see how sales go with the first one then decide when the second and third tower will go.

Or more importantly,how tall the third tower will be.

I hope Westpoint flood the Perth market with an 88 storey tower:D

nah the floors would only be like 2.5m high due to 300m ubove sea level height limitation

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/pcec10e0dfbd38994b41f564aefd27460/fb1d080c.jpg

That pic is about where the tallest tower will stand.The site looks much bigger up close,I remember walking past it last year wondering what would become of it:cool:

Originally posted by NZer
That pic is about where the tallest tower will stand.The site looks much bigger up close,I remember walking past it last year wondering what would become of it:cool:

thats about 1/3rd of the site

Yeah,I know.Having all the grass cut and being cleared up makes it look even bigger still!!

thats the only part of the site that has been cleared, they also have 'stakes' in the ground with markings

I hope we are still not just watching yellow sand in three years time:?

But by then who knows what Perths residential boom will have brought to us!!!

thats the marketing centre their preparing...

wot if they dont get approval??? then they wasted money

Originally posted by dilaz89
wot if they dont get approval??? then they wasted money

If they don't get approval then they change whatever the problem is with the design, and re-submit, and keep doing this until it is approved! :)

is it going to council tomorrow night?

Originally posted by dilaz89
is it going to council tomorrow night?

instead of making other people do all the work be abit active and find shite out for yourself
www.perth.wa.gov.au will lets you know there is no council meeting tomorow...
and im sure the forum will be the first to know when this application is going to be considered

i can never be fucked. always easier to ask others who know more than me on here!:D

I cant be fuckes either now, if all my work is just going to be thrown into other parts of the forum

are you talking about the things you put in skyscrapers/skylines?

westpoints 2 perth projects... is this any indication of what we can expect from mounts bay towers?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/p2873125740d12723059e44dd48d480b1/fb1d0822.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid79/p0991e66b1012f107288533df6e651f75/fb1d0824.jpg

i like the first tower. i think it would be along the same lines as icon. who knows who their achitect is?

Norm Carey who is the owner of Westpoint is having a major say in it's design. They have a design team in their offices in Sydney, I spoke with Peter Wallace who has had a lot of experience in Asia, namely Taiwan.

They are also employing the services of Greg Rowe & Associates if anyone wants to do some research on them.

Originally posted by Aussie Andrew
Norm Carey who is the owner of Westpoint is having a major say in it's design. They have a design team in their offices in Sydney, I spoke with Peter Wallace who has had a lot of experience in Asia, namely Taiwan.

They are also employing the services of Greg Rowe & Associates if anyone wants to do some research on them.

I met greg rowe in the lift at council house at the last perth city council meeting

I'm reasonably confident that Westpoint guys read these threads....if so, go for higher floor to roof heights! No-one will buy apartments which are dark and cramped. And the windows need to be floor to roof too please. Look at the sales disaster that is Paragon CBD. It's just that the "relative" low heights of the proposed towers might indicate a small floor to roof height ratio so I am a bit worried....

Why does everyone keep bagging Paragon,I thought it was completed years before the start of the current interest in inner city living in Perth.Maybe I would understand if I went inside one of the apartments:?

Originally posted by NZer
Why does everyone keep bagging Paragon,I thought it was completed years before the start of the current interest in inner city living in Perth.Maybe I would understand if I went inside one of the apartments:?

lack of parking... I think you have to lease a carstop in a multi level carpark, being perth you have to offer atleast 1 carpark and apartment or people will just look to other projects. I think pacific international lacked parking to.

Wow,that must be a real **** for the developers,imagine Westpoint having to provide parking spaces for every dwelling/person in their Mounts Bay Towers project.

it can be done. look at riparian for example. 11 stories of non-stop carpark!

Exactly!.......11 stories!
But I guess they would charge their tennants for it too,they are businessmen afterall,not the salvation army.

in a resi, you should get 2 parking bays free and anymore you have to pay! they could put it underground but it would need to go about 6 stories down!

riparian is 1/2 office space remember

well there is a 6 level carpark being proposed with the development remember....

mike

residents carpark or public I wonder...

well with nearly 1000 apartments being built i would hope/expect it would be for its residents. can u imagine thousands of cars trying to park around that area of town if the parking tower was for ther public, talk about a nightmare!

mike

Originally posted by perthsmike
well with nearly 1000 apartments being built i would hope/expect it would be for its residents. can u imagine thousands of cars trying to park around that area of town if the parking tower was for ther public, talk about a nightmare!

mike

should put it underground.... though there's a freeway next door so its going to be loud

Spoke with Tom Quirk today regarding an update of when plans and renderings will be available.

He said that the display suite should be finished towards the end of October and that full on marketing will start in Early December.

We can expect renderings and plans of the entire project in November. Id say in about 6 to 8 weeks.

Prices will be from $300 000.

about time there is some realistic prices for a cbd apartment!

LET THE COUNT DOWN BEGIN! (till renderings released)

6 WEEKS!
42 DAYS!
1008 HOURS!
60480 MINUTES!
3628800 SECONDS!

mike :D

I wouldn't think they would start pysicly building the display centre till the project is approved unless they are that confident...

this melbourne buliding looks like such a westpoint job... must have been them...
http://www.urbanmelbourne.com/gallery/galleries/Tour_2003-05-05/image061.jpg

i have a feeling it will turn out like this mo'fo
http://www.skyscrapers.com/files/transfer/6/2002/12/174801.jpg
sure is ugly!

If Westpoint build three of those in Perth,I think I'll give up on you guys;)

has this gone to council yet??
where can i find when the next council mmeting will be on the perth site?

Originally posted by dilaz89
has this gone to council yet??
where can i find when the next council mmeting will be on the perth site?

http://www.perth.wa.gov.au/html/cou03_.php

grrr it didnt go to council on the 24th:rant: . we now have to wait until the 14th!

don't you think people will tell you if it was going to vote... also it went to council [lodged] in july... if its talking some time it probably means they are changing details to suite the code... also try to be more resourceful and find stuff for yourself...

why bother when we got u!:D

Yeah,Chris you should just accept that you are the shepherd and we are your flock of sheep:baaa:


Maybe one day when I'm living in Perth I will learn how to post pics and find stuff out and just generally contribute more;)

what if I was to stop posting... you would know NOTHING...
NOTHING GOD DAMMIT:D

Ah,now lets not do anything we're going to regret:moods:

Originally posted by chrisaus
what if I was to stop posting... you would know NOTHING...
NOTHING GOD DAMMIT:D
then id get off my ass and do stuff myself

Originally posted by dilaz89
then id get off my ass and do stuff myself

ohh say goodbuy to chrisaus then...:D

Smell ya later

Originally posted by chrisaus
ohh say goodbuy to chrisaus then...:D
hey i was just jokin!!!!

Originally posted by dilaz89
hey i was just jokin!!!!

I wasn't:laugh:

you would give into temptation sooner or later...

this has turned into another spam thread:D

I have renderings sitting right infront of me im willing to take bribes to post them

Dude,where did you get them.
Post that shit right now buddy..............PLEEEEAAAASE:angel1:

SWAN PANORAMA
visionary renderings
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid82/pac978d80d964c88515031f1d0ccb29ea/faeeb4af.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid82/p6ce4d9d35314404d1d0939e9d784a1b7/faeeb4ae.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid82/p818ddb768cd4ada5031899e9c1a63da8/faeeb4ab.jpg
:guns1: :eek: :banana:

Waaaaah!

That looks so so sweet!!!!!!

Look at it,Look at it!!!!!!!
The three towers are surprisingly different from each other.

Where did you get them from?

Cheers chrisaus:)

didn't see this story on businessnews website so i was lucky I had a look in the newsagentcy because i wasn't going to buy it, thank god I did
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SWAN PANORAMA
-currently looking for a local marketer for the project
-960 apartments
-$450million
-includes restaaurants, tavern, health club and retail outlets
-expected to go to vote late this month
-needs a 26% bonus
-includes and artificial beach, resort pool, tennis & squash court
- major of apartments 2 bedrooms
-prices of apartments not decided but could start at $450,000 to several million dollars
-planned pedestrian bridge to the convention and exhabition centre
-will be realesed in stages
-perth property industry mixed reactions on its effect on the market, some saying it could be a disaster and saturate the market

Yes,will be very,very interesting to see how Perth can handle a project of this size.
I hope it is swallowed up and more huge projects like this pop up.

But for now it's all Mounts Bay Towers:)
Start buying those apartments you guys!!!

holy sheet!!! they look just as good as icon!!!
probably wont turn out like this tho..

960 apartments, build up you bastards!

:)

we have some very big developments though they are staged over up to 10 years
- burswood lakes 1200 homes & apartments
- eastern gateway up to 6000 [about 2500 homes/apartments] new residents [though not likely unless glouster park move]
- northbridge renewal about 500 new apartments

then the masses of other project such as icon, burt way just to name a few

so its going to be a massive test for the market and we have to expect some projects to be canned