Hi all, my first post here.

Mr Kite: Much as I appreciate your mention of my own 'good' site, I'm less impressed by your wholesale use of the images it contains without asking me first. (I would certainly have said yes.) i wouldn't have known they were here except that the gent who runs www.leverpoole.co.uk wrote to ask if he could use them!

Getting the link right would have helped too- you send visitors to http://chesterwalls.info/gallery.html which actually takes you to http://chesterwalls.info/gallery/davidlewis.html

The correct link for my old Liverpool material- and from where the above images were taken- is http://www.chesterwalls.info/gallery/oldpics2.html

For a few of my own Liverpool photos, go to- http://chesterwalls.info/gallery/liverpool.html

Hello Knowhowe. You're correct and I apologise for not seeking permission first before posting the pictures.
Regards

Powerful image - full of forboding. No trains on the overhead, Goree Piazza is clinging on about to be demolished? Much less activity. Maybe the overhead itself has closed for good?

I don't remember the Overhead or the Goree Warehouses but what I do remember is the feeling of a wide open space when you got to the bottom of James Street which must have followed on from the demolition.

Does anyone know where I can get any old photos of the Water Street/Convent Garden/Chapel Street area. Doing a project in this area and was wondering the area was like pre bomb site/office block. Also is there any history to go with the pub?

^^

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/Leisure_and_culture/Local_history_and_heritage/index.asp

Liverpool's Destroyed or Demolished Landmarks

http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Liverpool's_destroyed_landmarks#head-0e172d8894d9b5525cd02d483606b6deee20f91f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1VHJWpMOA

Fantastic Video on youtube, take a look! :)

Does anyone have any pictures of what Gt George Street and Gt George Place looked like during late Victorian times? I have one or two in one of those 'Streets of Liverpool' type books but the detail is poor.

Also, I'm struggling to find a pre WW2 picture of Gt George Square.

Babs, the book "A Tram Ride to Dingle" by Phillip Mayer has some pictures of Great Georges rd pre-war and a small picture of the square. Grt George's rd was laid out in 1780's and was almost completely built up by the 1820's as were the adjacent streets leading up to the cathedral. The square was built between 1810 and 1825,all four sides had a central pediment,mostly with brick arch doorways,superior to Abercromby Square in my opinion. Just to add,another huge loss to that area was St Michael's Church, destroyed in the blitz, built in the 1820's it was the nearest Liverpool had to a Hawksmoor or Wren church, classical with a 200 foot spire:bash:

^^

http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/SCANSF/f-510.JPG

:bash: Bloody war. :ohno:

Even in that painting, as well as St Michael's, Pitt Street, one can see the spires of what might be two further churches, also now lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1VHJWpMOA

Fantastic Video on youtube, take a look! :)

that's superb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1VHJWpMOA

Fantastic Video on youtube, take a look! :)

Wow!! !!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should bin off Merseytram and get this baby back, this has really made my mind up now :) :cheers: :dance: :llama:

that's superb

i know, the guy apparently spent 6 months on it...he should sell it to the museum of liverpool for its overhead railway exhibit...imagine the whole line in its original setting re-constructed in cgi...

I'd imagine he'd be there for years modelling the entire line, it would look fantastic though.

Babs, the book "A Tram Ride to Dingle" by Phillip Mayer has some pictures of Great Georges rd pre-war and a small picture of the square. Grt George's rd was laid out in 1780's and was almost completely built up by the 1820's as were the adjacent streets leading up to the cathedral. The square was built between 1810 and 1825,all four sides had a central pediment,mostly with brick arch doorways,superior to Abercromby Square in my opinion. Just to add,another huge loss to that area was St Michael's Church, destroyed in the blitz, built in the 1820's it was the nearest Liverpool had to a Hawksmoor or Wren church, classical with a 200 foot spire:bash:

Thanks - I've got that book somewhere.

Wow!! !!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should bin off Merseytram and get this baby back, this has really made my mind up now :) :cheers: :dance: :llama:

Wowzers! That's amazing

One helluva talented gentleman.

Agree completely with 21C; it should be shown at the museum of Liverpool, when it opens next year.

I've always thought what a tourist attraction in itself it would be, if the 'Ovee' were ever to be rebuilt. Even if it was just from Dingle, to maybe up as far as Waterloo Dock.

I'm sure that it could be used as a genuine commuter route from the south; taking in Park Road, Grafton Street, Kings Dock, Wapping, etc. As well as a great way to see our new & evolving city centre & of course the docks & over to the Wirral.

Pipe dreams tho eh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1VHJWpMOA

Fantastic Video on youtube, take a look! :)

Absolutely stunning. The 'shots' at 2.43 and 3.03 are truly magnificent and it brings tears to your eyes to see what we have lost. It also unfortunately illustrates the paucity of what we are trying to replace this with. Brilliant.:banana:

Only a Wirral separatist could manage to turn a Victorian photography thread into an opportunity to have a thinly veiled pop at Merseytravel. Fucking bizarre.

Only a Wirral separatist could manage to turn a Victorian photography thread into an opportunity to have a thinly veiled pop at Merseytravel. Fucking bizarre.

Joe, let me ask you a simple question, forget Merseytravel (brought up by you by the way) rather than seeing conspiracy theories around every corner would you rather see the return of an Overhead Liverpool Railway as in this fabulous rendition or a tram line to Kirkby? Simple really.:ohno:

The point is that this was demolished way before Merseytravel existed so there is no culpability on their behalf. The Merseytram scheme is not a replacement for this nor is there to my knowledge any proposed replacement so the "paucity" jibe is irrelevant.

Liverpool Waters might be a catalyst for a replacement in whatever form is deemed appropriate - a replica of the LOR, tram, monorail, trolleybus or whatever - if it were ever to get off the ground.

I personally would love to see a return of the Overhead in some form but it is unlikely in the foreseeable future.

The point is that this was demolished way before Merseytravel existed so there is no culpability on their behalf. The Merseytram scheme is not a replacement for this nor is there to my knowledge any proposed replacement so the "paucity" jibe is irrelevant.

Liverpool Waters might be a catalyst for a replacement in whatever form is deemed appropriate - a replica of the LOR, tram, monorail, trolleybus or whatever - if it were ever to get off the ground.

I personally would love to see a return of the Overhead in some form but it is unlikely in the foreseeable future.

Joe, I find your obsession with sticking up for Merseytravel odd - even when they are not being criticised. Whatever is introduced as a form of public transport in the future, tram. trolleybus, bus etc none will ever live up to the grandeur and romance of the Overhead Railway.

Whoever runs the future is irrelevant, my argument is that whatever is proposed, it will never be able to live up to what we had in the past.

Joe, let me ask you a simple question, forget Merseytravel (brought up by you by the way) rather than seeing conspiracy theories around every corner would you rather see the return of an Overhead Liverpool Railway as in this fabulous rendition or a tram line to Kirkby? Simple really.:ohno:

Neither. Most of those docks are now redundant, it's all up Seaforth end where the tonnage happens. Kirkby is served perfectly well by trains.

How about something useful and futuristic though as in a monorail from the airport to the city centre waterfront.

Neither. Most of those docks are now redundant, it's all up Seaforth end where the tonnage happens. Kirkby is served perfectly well by trains.

How about something useful and futuristic though as in a monorail from the airport to the city centre waterfront.

You will not get an argument from me - we need to be innovative and forward thinking and a monorail would certainly fit the bill. Better than trying to turn the clock back.

This is a fantastic thread over on Yo!

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21638

It enables you to make comparisons between what was and what currently is, and reminds us of our lost south shore coastline. The only remnant (if you don't include the bit by the airport and Garston) is to be found near Hale lighthouse. I often go there for a bit of a vibe but sadly it's an half-arsed one - not much of a 'cliff' more of a small embankment, the lighthouse hasn't got anything on NB, Leasowe or Talacre and Stanlow spoils the horizon t'other side but still it's got a bit of ambience left. Of course, you have to screen out the planes landing/taking off from JLA, too but it's still worth it.

:)

Great photos on this website

http://www.peterleeson.co.uk/liverpool/places/

He has a book out called 'Goodbye Scottie Road' some of those pics on his website didn't even make it into it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE1VHJWpMOA

Fantastic Video on youtube, take a look! :)

Just saw this for the first time. Amazing quality. Stunning.:cheers:

http://www.englishheritageprints.com/pictures_1863689/liverpool-afl03_aerofilms_a1911.html

http://www.englishheritageprints.com/image/liverpool-afl03_aerofilms_a1911_1863689.jpg

Aerial view showing the area around the five way junction of Duke Street, Hanover Street and Paradise Street (the former Sailors Home, now demolished, stands at the junction) in July 1946. The widespread devastation caused by bombing during the Second World War is apparent. Liverpool Old Custom House on Canning Place stands roofless in the foreground after firebomb damage in the Liverpool blitz of 1941. It was demolished in 1950.

Some more here:http://www.englishheritageprints.com/dmcs_search.html?PHPSESSID=c7f29cd9d24ab313c7083a6499d93073&find=LIVERPOOL&x=0&y=0

Good find Mr Kite :cheers: I saw one on flickr a earlier this evening taken in the 60s/70s from a different angle and much of that area was still levelled, I'll try and find it again.



Heres some crackers from E.J.James Photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamese007uk/4259387181/sizes/o/)...

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Cheers Yoshef, good find on your behalf.:cheers:

Sorry I didnt quite catch the name of the photographer who took those last few pics ; )

http://www.englishheritageprints.com/pictures_1863689/liverpool-afl03_aerofilms_a1911.html

http://www.englishheritageprints.com/image/liverpool-afl03_aerofilms_a1911_1863689.jpg

Aerial view showing the area around the five way junction of Duke Street, Hanover Street and Paradise Street (the former Sailors Home, now demolished, stands at the junction) in July 1946. The widespread devastation caused by bombing during the Second World War is apparent. Liverpool Old Custom House on Canning Place stands roofless in the foreground after firebomb damage in the Liverpool blitz of 1941. It was demolished in 1950.

Some more here:http://www.englishheritageprints.com/dmcs_search.html?PHPSESSID=c7f29cd9d24ab313c7083a6499d93073&find=LIVERPOOL&x=0&y=0

Its sooo sad and crazy to think they didnt even try and save the obvious such as the Custom House - if it stood til 1950 then surely it wasnt a dangerous structure and could of been saved. Also the council should of saved all the building making up the Duke Street junction, as this looked fantastic.

Strange that so much destruction occured in the Lord Street / South Castle Street area. Perhaps there was a firestorm at the height of the blitz.

It has taken sixty years for that part of the city to come back to life. When you think of the crowds milling round the south end of Paradise Street now, it is already hard to remember how desolate that area was with its multi-storey scaffolding advertising hoarding dominating the scene for some thirty years.

Whilst it was a crime that the city lost the Sailor's Home - the demolition of which was opposed by large numbers of people including the King of Norway, it is quite clear that the Custom House was completely gutted and its reconstruction in times of post-war austerity would not have been easy - given all the other demands on public finances at the time. I suppose it could have been left as a shell as they did with many of the great buildings of Dresden - but that wasn't how the planners saw things in those days and clearing old buildings was the order of the day.

Why did they get rid of the sailors home? looks in tact there? surely if the King of Norway is not happy it would of raised a few questions somewhere??

Its surprising that out of such a massive bulk of a building not a single bit was left, like a one of the many porticos (4 are there??) which could have been kept as a reminder or incorporated into a new building. It just seems like keeping parts of the building would have been a simpler job than huge task of demolishing it and carting away all that stone.

Has anyone ever seen any photographs of the interior of the building?

Why did they get rid of the sailors home? looks in tact there? surely if the King of Norway is not happy it would of raised a few questions somewhere??

As far as I know, the Sailors Home wasn't damaged significantly in the blitz. The decision to demolish it was sometime in the 60s and probably due to the fact that the building was now redundant and it got in the way of the Strand / Paradise scheme that was proposed then and of which the now-demolished Steers House was the only part ever built.

Just looking through google for pics of the Sailors Home, David Lewis Hostel and Customs House etc and found this website. Not sure if anybody is aware of it but its brilliant.

http://www.liverpoolwiki.org/Liverpool%27s_destroyed_landmarks

Bloody hell, that website is brilliant!!!. The ones which there could be no excuse are Bibbys warehouse and David Lewis theatre and hostel, truely amazing buildings

http://web.onetel.net.uk/~howardpaterson/uploads/Byrom.jpg

Source/date not known

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It looks as though the Wallasey tunnel is taking form. Poor north enders, they survived the demolition of much of Everton and thought that after the carnage wrought by the Wallasey tunnel business things would settle down. Little did they know that the above picture provides a record of the north end's swansong.

As far as I know, the Sailors Home wasn't damaged significantly in the blitz. The decision to demolish it was sometime in the 60s and probably due to the fact that the building was now redundant and it got in the way of the Strand / Paradise scheme that was proposed then and of which the now-demolished Steers House was the only part ever built.

It was still standing until around 1976. Here are some photos of it in 1971/2:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/374924760/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamese007uk/4239809923/

The destruction of the Sailors House was one of the strokes of genius of the Hatton era, along with the deliberate abandonment of the upkeep of the Botanical Gardens and other City parks and their structures.
St. Georges Hall was also allowed to deteriorate at that time, but conversely this neglect gave it the later access to the funds which enabled the restoration that we can enjoy today

The destruction of the Sailors House was one of the strokes of genius of the Hatton era, along with the deliberate abandonment of the upkeep of the Botanical Gardens and other City parks and their structures.
St. Georges Hall was also allowed to deteriorate at that time, but conversely this neglect gave it the later access to the funds which enabled the restoration that we can enjoy today

We can blame old Degsy for a lot but, if the Sailor's Home was demolished in 1976 he is unlikely to have been involved. His reign as deputy leader did not begin until 1983.

Not sure when Hatton entered city politics but was not deputy leader until 1983 and the Sailor's Home was demolished 10 years earlier, around 73/74, so I'm not sure he can be blamed for this one. Whoever is responsible......:ohno:

Edit: Looks like there's an echo on SSC. :nuts: although we can agree to disagree on the demolition dates.

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The destruction of the Sailors House was one of the strokes of genius of the Hatton era, along with the deliberate abandonment of the upkeep of the Botanical Gardens and other City parks and their structures.
St. Georges Hall was also allowed to deteriorate at that time, but conversely this neglect gave it the later access to the funds which enabled the restoration that we can enjoy today

74 it went:lol::lol:

Sorry Degsy (not).

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http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/evertonia8/4AerialviewHerculaneumtoPierHead.jpg Bootle,Kirkdale and Toxteth.

^^^^The first 2 pics show some of the victorian warehousing, there was literally hundreds of warehouses lining the dock rd of which less 20 remain.

Even some of the smaller warehouse type buildings have/had presence and often incredible detail on their facades - such a waste.

Strange that so much destruction occured in the Lord Street / South Castle Street area. Perhaps there was a firestorm at the height of the blitz.

It has taken sixty years for that part of the city to come back to life. When you think of the crowds milling round the south end of Paradise Street now, it is already hard to remember how desolate that area was with its multi-storey scaffolding advertising hoarding dominating the scene for some thirty years.

Whilst it was a crime that the city lost the Sailor's Home - the demolition of which was opposed by large numbers of people including the King of Norway, it is quite clear that the Custom House was completely gutted and its reconstruction in times of post-war austerity would not have been easy - given all the other demands on public finances at the time. I suppose it could have been left as a shell as they did with many of the great buildings of Dresden - but that wasn't how the planners saw things in those days and clearing old buildings was the order of the day.

Absolutely spot on.

It has indeed taken 60 years to redevelop the site. 60 years and a private developer to fix what was essentially World War II bombing. Shocking, really.

The demolition of the old Custom House stakes in many people's throats, and quite rightly. It's demolition seems to encapsulate the cities fall as an economic powerhouse.

Out of interest, who actually owned the Custom House? Was it a government building? If so, should the government not have rebuilt it? Ditto the old Post Office building, now the MET Quarter.

The Bibby's Warehouse was only demolished in the 1980s why the hell?

Back in the 1980's, there was little appetite for preserving our historic buildings. Out with the old, and in with the new, was the order of day. Of course, Liverpool was already down on its luck by time the 1980's came around, and it became more of a case of, out with the old, and the new not turning up, as evidenced by the Bibby's site sitting derelict for a number of years after its demolition. As appalling as it is that we lost buildings like Bibby's (only to be replaced by a Costco of all things :ohno:). During the same time there were active calls for the demolition of the Albert Dock. We should perhaps therefore also view that period as a lucky escape, as we could have lost so much more of our historic built environment.

Back in the 1980's, there was little appetite for preserving our historic buildings. Out with the old, and in with the new, was the order of day. Of course, Liverpool was already down on its luck by time the 1980's came around, and it became more of a case of, out with the old, and the new not turning up, as evidenced by the Bibby's site sitting derelict for a number of years after its demolition. As appalling as it is that we lost buildings like Bibby's (only to be replaced by a Costco of all things :ohno:). During the same time there were active calls for the demolition of the Albert Dock. We should perhaps therefore also view that period as a lucky escape, as we could have lost so much more of our historic built environment.

What a shame at least they did not demolish the albert dock imagine that.

What a shame at least they did not demolish the albert dock imagine that.

A number of buildings around the Albert Dock were demolished, notably Duke's Warehouse in Duke's Dock, ostensibly for an industrial park, which never happened. Duke's Dock can still be seen (or some of it)-when you walk toward the Arena from Albert, you'll cross a waterway, which is Duke's Dock. A number of smaller buildings also went in the 'eighties, notably the transit shed for Salthouse Dock (where the entrance to Albert is now) and offices at the top of Salthouse (I photographed them in 1983 but they had gone by 1984.) The propsals for the Albert Dock were horrifying, not least one by developer Harry Hyams, which was for an office "city" not unlike the proposal for Liverpool Waters. The number of tower blocks would now be described as "detrimental to the amenities of the neighbourhood", if you'll forgive the council-speak. The amazing thing is how long buildings such as the Custom House (ca 1835 ~ 1948), Goree Piazza warehouses (1813~1949?) David Lewis Theatre (1902~1980) even St Andrews Church of Scotland in Rodney Street (ca 1830 ~present, but only just) actually stood. Will the student flats in Skelhorn Street still be standing in twenty years? Food for thought, maybe.:cheers:

[QUOTE=thudbucket;50617091]A number of buildings around the Albert Dock were demolished, notably Duke's Warehouse in Duke's Dock, ostensibly for an industrial park, which never happened. Duke's Dock can still be seen (or some of it)-when you walk toward the Arena from Albert, you'll cross a waterway, which is Duke's Dock. A number of smaller buildings also went in the 'eighties, notably the transit shed for Salthouse Dock (where the entrance to Albert is now) and offices at the top of Salthouse (I photographed them in 1983 but they had gone by 1984.) The propsals for the Albert Dock were horrifying, not least one by developer Harry Hyams, which was for an office "city" not unlike the proposal for Liverpool Waters. The number of tower blocks would now be described as "detrimental to the amenities of the neighbourhood", if you'll forgive the council-speak. The amazing thing is how long buildings such as the Custom House (ca 1835 ~ 1948), Goree Piazza warehouses (1813~1949?) David Lewis Theatre (1902~1980) even St Andrews Church of Scotland in Rodney Street (ca 1830 ~present, but only just) actually stood. Will the student flats in Skelhorn Street still be standing in twenty years? Food for thought, maybe.

If you'd like to know more about the bombing raids in May 1941 and the damage they caused, look for John Hughes' fine book [I]Port In A Storm[I] which Waterstones can order.:cheers:

If you'd like to know more about the bombing raids in May 1941 and the damage they caused, look for John Hughes' fine book [I]Port In A Storm[I] which Waterstones can order.:cheers:

Yeah i will thanks for the info mate intresting stuff.

lots of Blitz photographs on here..

http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/

Bostock Street Court off Scotland Road - 1900.


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'Lord Kitchener inspecting troops in front of St George's Hall, Liverpool, on 20 March 1915'.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Liverpool_Pals_inspection,_1915.jpg

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Liverpool_Pals_inspection,_1915.jpg

These old pictures of nube are on Flickr, posted by noctorum (http://www.flickr.com/photos/noctorum/)


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more here http://www.flickr.com/photos/noctorum/sets/72057594060198143/

^^

Thanks for posting those Yoshef. :cheers:

It's interesting to compare this image -


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/390540480_848fb4f294_b.jpg


- with the Neptune webcam here - http://www.camserv.co.uk/neptune/nb_phase2.htm which is sited close to where the original photograph was taken.

Great pics.

2 things we need badly; an open air swimming pool at New Brighton (or one with a retractable roof shouldn´t be beyone the ken of today´s civil engineers) and a good quality food market in Liverpool city centre.

That's it. the yearning to do so is almost overwhelming.

But you can, gentlemen, in a manner of speaking...

Hi everyone. Not sure if I should have introduced myself as well as in this region separately but hope my profile is explanatory anyway. I'm particularly interested in the Liverpool region in that my late father came from what is now known as the wider Merseyside area, and my specialist cinema interest has alighted on the fact that you have (or rather have had) a Cinerama facility, in this instance at Wavertree.

In 2008, and more recently also, the main freeview documentary film website apart from the BBC has been updating its stock hugely, but with some big mistake hits on its index.

www.britishpathe.com (just type 'Liverpool' in the right-hand search box on the Home Page) has some 801 (yes, 801) mini-videos from 1901-81 on its website regarding Liverpool alone, but I need to direct your search interests. Around half of them are duplicates of the originals, around half of the remaining number are recordings of each and every Grand National and every FA Cup final, and around half of THAT remaining number are 'mistake additions' from other areas.

Forumers will have to go the hard way from there on to see what can be discovered (I've gone through the 801 to start with!) but I recommend that the 'Civic Ceremonials' which are Royal Visits and Mayoral events can be a good bet to start with.

A few others stand out as outstanding records of things that move (i.e buses and trams and horses and carts and things). A couple that spring to mind are the 'Liverpool-In our Time' series, towards the end of the 41 pages of details. Quite a few have 10 seconds of Liverpool Overhead Railway in action, and one in particular "The Mersey Sound-1964" (currently standing on Page 35 of the index) is unforgettable for Liverpool shop scenes and fashions of the period. A few videos on there are a bit controversial regarding social issues, but England never anywhere had a history set in the Garden of Eden!


You WILL struggle through the listings, but work at it. I'm available for help of course if needed, although I may need a day or two to get back due to my work schedule.

Thanks.

Some aerial footage from 1924 with a brief glimpse of the custom house and then the pier head and docks. Liverpool is after Durham cathedral and Newport.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=29206

Other good video's in the archive.

Just stumbled accross this cracking (depressing) picture whilst looking through this old thread. Thought I'd share for those who haven't seen it.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=338678&page=5

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/917/cath1b3vn.jpg

Jesus, is that beast the customs house?!?! and with the old sailors home behind it.


Thanks for the pic Kite but I really hate looking at this thread ... I always come away so depressed.

I am frustrated as the next man about the heritage lobby but then you see what we have lost :(

^^^^Yeah, sad isn't the word. Thanks Mr K.

Both the Sailors' Home & the David Lewis theatre were wantonly destroyed in the 70s & 80s.

:bash: Thank God that the Albert Dock didn't go the same way.

Its quite sad that a hell of alot that is in teh Photo isnt there anymore!

New Brighton 1939

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Wallasey & Birkenhead Docks 1970s

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Liverpool 1950s and 60s

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Cracking selection of photos. Cheers DP.

Fantastic photos. Thanks and keep them coming.

What amazing photos, just brilliant. I love the brickwork on the Rice Lane shops.

Desertpunk, great set of pics, thanks for posting them, I remember the Rice Lane flyover being built, these are the first photos I've ever seen of it.

Hi, i am a teacher in Faith primary which is the school attached to the Friary. Sadly, the school is getting knocked down in 2011, 100 years after it opened. The topic for our school in September is to look back and celebrate the area whilst the school has been there. If anyone could send any more photograhs, it would be greatly appreciated as they are extremely hard to get hold of!

Some coloured photos of the sailors home here

http://www.chesterwalls.info/gallery/sailorshome9.html

One of my own a Now & Then, a modern day shot of Castle Street put together with a old Postcard 1910 ish

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5060613601_ed1428b19f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlex/5060613601/)

On the left the street sign (Derby Square & James Street) in still in the same place above, also the Plaque on the corner
of Derby Square & James Street has gone in the modern day shot, but the marks that a sign was there can still be seen today....

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/5063062121_e8951bb5a2_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/earlex/5063062121/)

BTW Fantastic thread....

Some coloured photos of the sailors home here

http://www.chesterwalls.info/gallery/sailorshome9.html

Im in the middle of painting the sailors home (watercolour not the walls) and I have not seen these before

Many thanks for posting

Click here (http://www.watcha.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/) >> :okay:

Wow. Impressive catalogue. Could maybe have done with a few more of Woolton at the end though.

Seriously though I didn't know there used to be a street running down the right hand side of the C&A building. Gives it a whole new symmetry.

I've seen lots of photos of the old Custom House but has anyone ever seen any photos taken inside the building? I guess it must have had a large central domed atrium, much like in the Port of Liverpool building.

Good shout Martin. I once saw several photographs showing the devastastion after the war centred around Derby Square anyone seen those.

superb 60s (?) aerial photography from Mills Media (http://www.flickr.com/photos/millsmediagroup/).


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Brilliant find Yosh, the density in the south-end compared to today!

Brilliant find Yosh, the density in the south-end compared to today!

Cheers! :cheers: Some magnificent photos on their Flickr page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/millsmediagroup/), well with a gander. I hope it's ok to post a few more on here. A few highlights...

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There superb pics, just spent an hour on there Flickr page looking at them,
particularly like the 1st one you posted such detail, & the last one the colour superb.....

Don't know if this site has being mentioned Streets of Liverpool - A Pictorial History of Liverpool (http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/)
some really interesting photo's from Liverpools early days, a few posted below.....

Loads of pics there at the bottom of each page on the left there a Older Enteries text click that and you move onto the next page 12 in all.

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Mann Island 1890
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Mann Island 1898 (8 Years later & what a change)
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Houghton Street
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St Georges Place
On the right It is interesting to see the old Lime Street station approach before its demolition to make way for the recently
demolished tower block and shopping arcade. On the left demolition is nearly complete ready for St Johns Market
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St Johns Market Building Plot....
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Canada Dock hydraulic tower, (photographed 1875) Photo 135 Years Old.
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Quite like this 1953 pic children at play, these children must me nearing 65 ish now...
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^^ Cracking find folks, spent too much time this morning perusing!

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From Mikeyashworths Liverpool Flickr collection.
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^^ I thought that there was a direct rail link to the old princes dock cruise terminal?? Is it shown in this pic??? I can't seem to see it?

the station is in the sheds inbetween the landing stage and Princes Dock

^^

Fantastic photo of Houghton Street. I am too young to remember it as it was (a mere toddler when it was demolished). Can anyone tell me anything about the businesses you can see in the photo? I can see the Golden Phoenix (wonder if we will get a Golden Phoenix Mark 3?), and I can make out a fine looking pub in the middle of the terrace. What was it called? And the pub at the far end, that's not the Villiers is it? What is the shop on the extreme left? ***ways? Wasn't there a travel agent called Starways or something similar?

On another note, what was the Top Hat on Dale St, near the Vernon? You can see the signage for the first time since the 60's(?) thanks to it being done up.

Thanks a bunch.

What happened to all the Kardomah coffee shops too?

Moropool, I think you're after Riverside station.

This site has a good history and pics of it and many others.

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/l/liverpool_riverside/index.shtml

^^

Fantastic photo of Houghton Street. I am too young to remember it as it was (a mere toddler when it was demolished). Can anyone tell me anything about the businesses you can see in the photo? I can see the Golden Phoenix (wonder if we will get a Golden Phoenix Mark 3?), and I can make out a fine looking pub in the middle of the terrace. What was it called? And the pub at the far end, that's not the Villiers is it? What is the shop on the extreme left? ***ways? Wasn't there a travel agent called Starways or something similar?

On another note, what was the Top Hat on Dale St, near the Vernon? You can see the signage for the first time since the 60's(?) thanks to it being done up.

Thanks a bunch.



Here's the Top Hat in 1957. Frankie Vaughan and other celebs were sometime visitors there. Pic courtesy of 20th Century/Reflections site.

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The Houghton st pic is C1963 from Colin Wilkinson of the Bluecoat Press, the pub was called the Belmont. The Villiers is just out of shot actually, further up Elliot st towards Blacklers, that's Cases st running straight up - the continuation of Houghton st.

Here's a then and now view of it, I know which one I prefer.


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Has anyone got any pictures of the Majestic Ballroom Birkenhead? I've Googled but all I get is pictures of The Beatles playing inside, i'm after a picture of the outside structure.

Thanks Newbee1

Keayman, thanks very much for the reply. I'll print a copy off of the old photo of Houghton St for the old folks (in their 80's). You see photos like that and you either want to cry, or put somebody on trial for what has been lost.

No wonder there is so much street violence these days.

It looks like an alien spaceship has landed and colonised a real city.


How on earth could such a hideous building, street plan and environment be considered as progress?

Do we learn from the past? Is Liverpool's recent regeneration any better than that in the 60's, 70's and 80's? St John's is an example of the 60's monolithic style of modernism in architecture and has been revamped once in the late 80's but 20 years later still looks tacky and dated. However, its not as though we learnt from this error. Clayton Square sprang up in the late 80's and I must admit at the time I liked it. However just over 20 years later it looks bulky, awkward and very much of its time. Clayton Square headed downmarket quite quickly and they tried to squash too much in it. Once again, in building this mall the local area was flattened and with hindsight it would probably have been better to regenerate the existing buildings.

Sadly, Liverpool faired no better in the 90's, Queen Square and Roe Street are an inprovement on the urban wasteland they replaced but is very much a half hearted attempt at regeneration and looks like Lego land.

So to the 00's and Liverpool One. Personally I do think that Liverpool One will stand the test of time because it is a development that values the street level open air urban enviroment, and the particular over the general. Liverpool One has reintegrated the street network of that part of the city centre and lets face it there was nothing n that area of value or merit to sweep away, Paradise Street was a victim of 60' and 70's 'regeneration'.

Other more recent buildings however do not fill me with such confidence. I don't think Mann Island will be considered as a 'success' in years to come.

And whilst I'm at it, I hope they don't ever pedestrianise the top end of Bold Street. As the above pictures illustrate, once that realistic street vibe is gone, its gone for good.

And whilst I'm at it, I hope they don't ever pedestrianise the top end of Bold Street. As the above pictures illustrate, once that realistic street vibe is gone, its gone for good.

Totally agree there, its not required and would be a waste of money, just like what they are doing to Castle Street.

I think that the plans for Castle Street are good - a central and architecturally fantastic Rd. Widened pavements may encourage people to linger, chat, gather etc - rather than just walking from A-B; that would add life and vitality, of the sort mentioned.
Those photos of Clayton Square were taken when the car was not King, when people did not routinely park on pavements and when there were not boy- racers everywhere - and in those big, black, monstrous 4 by 4s - which are not meant for cities.
The pavements at the top end of Bold Street often get very congested - often forcing you on to the road just to get past.

Agreed.

However, I would like to see Bold Street remain open to traffic but limit parking (especially when the CV car park is completed) and deliveries to one side of the street only eliminating the congestion that currently plagues the area.

Whether widening one or both pavements slightly is feasible or practical is open to debate but it would be the best of both worlds.

I think that the plans for Castle Street are good - a central and architecturally fantastic Rd. Widened pavements may encourage people to linger, chat, gather etc - rather than just walking from A-B; that would add life and vitality, of the sort mentioned.
Those photos of Clayton Square were taken when the car was not King, when people did not routinely park on pavements and when there were not boy- racers everywhere - and in those big, black, monstrous 4 by 4s - which are not meant for cities.
The pavements at the top end of Bold Street often get very congested - often forcing you on to the road just to get past.

Disagree with Castle Street, the current pavements are very adequate. People dont want to linger and chat as its used by office workers, and we want to get to the shops, or get lunch as quickly as possible during our lunchbreak.

Castle Street is not part of the retail core, and could never be, it serves lunch time trade just fine. Its a waste of public money, never mind making the city even more of a nightmare for the small number of drivers that dare to venture in. This money could of been used to update the paving and street furniture on Castle and Water Street.

I've been saving this thread 'for best'. I finally took the plunge today. Thanks to everyone who contributed to it - it is fascinating. :cheers:

Disagree with Castle Street, the current pavements are very adequate. People dont want to linger and chat as its used by office workers, and we want to get to the shops, or get lunch as quickly as possible during our lunchbreak.

Castle Street is not part of the retail core, and could never be, it serves lunch time trade just fine. Its a waste of public money, never mind making the city even more of a nightmare for the small number of drivers that dare to venture in. This money could of been used to update the paving and street furniture on Castle and Water Street.

Castle Street is increasingly part of the city centre for everybody - not just office workers; it is certainly on the tourist trail too - with a couple of hotels in the vicinity and two or three more on track. It is quicker and more pleasant to walk through Castle Street from Liverpool One to the Old Hall entrance of Moorfields than to go to Central station. My understanding is that the paving is being up-dated and that there may be planters etc - making it feel more like a continental boulevard.

I agree that Castle Street should be and is already becoming much more than an office core. In fact it is losing that role, with the advent of St Paul's Square. Many of the offices there are empty. Only today I went down there to drink in a bar and grab a bite to eat. It is turning into quite a good little leisure destination now. The addition of extra paving will make this even more so, with added scope for outdoor seating.

The recent addition of restaurants was no accident. People knew these plans were in the offing and have gotten in there first. It is an attractive street. Along with Hope St, possibly one of the most attractive in town. This attracts people who may want to linger if you give them a reason to.

I already know of another eatery that is opening in a former bank on that street and believe others will follow.

^^Really. In the Bank of England? Which restaurant?

The old Furness Building Society. No 27.

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Is this the one bugged?

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That's the fella.

I agree that Castle Street should be and is already becoming much more than an office core. In fact it is losing that role, with the advent of St Paul's Square. Many of the offices there are empty. Only today I went down there to drink in a bar and grab a bite to eat. It is turning into quite a good little leisure destination now. The addition of extra paving will make this even more so, with added scope for outdoor seating.

The recent addition of restaurants was no accident. People knew these plans were in the offing and have gotten in there first. It is an attractive street. Along with Hope St, possibly one of the most attractive in town. This attracts people who may want to linger if you give them a reason to.

I already know of another eatery that is opening in a former bank on that street and believe others will follow.

I work just off Castle Street and thats not really true, there are loads of occupied office all around. You have Queens Square, Corn Exchange, India Buildings, Water Street and Exchange Flags, and lots more. The new bars and restaurants have simply followed the earlier venues such as Newz Bar and Bar & Grill which chose that area as its outside of the main night time areas and does a roaring trade off office workers who go there with clients, or lunch and of course after work for one or two. If you go to these places they are always full of office workers.

Castle Street is a fairly quiet street, and therefore it will never become more than a place with provides food and the odd essential. The street doesnt need to be widened or may one way, its purely a waste of public money.

I work just off Castle Street and thats not really true, there are loads of occupied office all around. You have Queens Square, Corn Exchange, India Buildings, Water Street and Exchange Flags, and lots more. The new bars and restaurants have simply followed the earlier venues such as Newz Bar and Bar & Grill which chose that area as its outside of the main night time areas and does a roaring trade off office workers who go there with clients, or lunch and of course after work for one or two. If you go to these places they are always full of office workers.

Castle Street is a fairly quiet street, and therefore it will never become more than a place with provides food and the odd essential. The street doesnt need to be widened or may one way, its purely a waste of public money.

My daughter works just off Castle street, and lives just down the road from it. We often meet up there for lunch - and to go out in the evening.
I often use the Pret there - as do many shoppers; and as has been said there are a couple of hotels and more to follow.
Commuters from The Wirral get off at James street, and now they are likely to stop off in the environs for a coffee or a meal. San Carlo attracts people at weekends outside of office hours; and The Olive Press always has. Furthermore, Pret has now responded to the new influx by opening on Sundays - whereas it never used to.
Castle Street has become part of the city centre - and it looks to continue that way.
Perhaps, most obviously, it is one of our main and most attractive streets, and the edification of it is to be welcomed, as far as I and many others are concerned. Perhaps you do not appreciate it enough because you see it every day?
It seems that you have settled on the idea that widening the pavements is a bad idea - and that is that!

I think Castle Streets continued leisure and retail office should be continued. Although I agree that it serves its purpose as a retail destination for office workers getting a quick lunch, I don't think that this should be the be all and end all of its development.

The pavements along the street really do need an upgrade and you must admit that the road isn't heavily used by traffic due to the ridiculous one way systems within the city centre. However, I'm not a big fan of the new layout they are looking to introduce. It appears we are going down the classic European city centre rather than creating a place for business. Our main business streets... Dale Street, Old Hall Street and now Castle Street must be some of the most anti-traffic streets in the city. I'm not sure how good for business this is and it certainly doesn't give the city the 'big city' feel that it deserves. The Council should be encouraging pedestrians and traffic alike to increase the amount of people in the city centre and increase business. Anti-traffic schemes will not do this.

As for the mess that is the start of Dale Street and the no right turn from Water St... I will not even go into. The city centre roads are a nightmare and need to be sorted out. Call me old fashioned but 2 way traffic on all main roads within the city centre would suit me fine.

I think Castle Streets continued leisure and retail office should be continued. Although I agree that it serves its purpose as a retail destination for office workers getting a quick lunch, I don't think that this should be the be all and end all of its development.

The pavements along the street really do need an upgrade and you must admit that the road isn't heavily used by traffic due to the ridiculous one way systems within the city centre. However, I'm not a big fan of the new layout they are looking to introduce. It appears we are going down the classic European city centre rather than creating a place for business. Our main business streets... Dale Street, Old Hall Street and now Castle Street must be some of the most anti-traffic streets in the city. I'm not sure how good for business this is and it certainly doesn't give the city the 'big city' feel that it deserves. The Council should be encouraging pedestrians and traffic alike to increase the amount of people in the city centre and increase business. Anti-traffic schemes will not do this.

As for the mess that is the start of Dale Street and the no right turn from Water St... I will not even go into. The city centre roads are a nightmare and need to be sorted out. Call me old fashioned but 2 way traffic on all main roads within the city centre would suit me fine.

Here here totally agree there mate. Jane I agree with you also, however it doesnt change the fact that Castle Street and Cook Street are being changed badly and at a high cost to the public purse, for no real benefit. Castle Street is a brilliant street, and has such beautiful buildings, so I dont take it for granted. The pavements are already wide enough, and yes they need replacing, but NOT widening further or making it a one lane one way street.

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Liverpool, 1865, bird’s-eye view by William Morris

http://affordablehousinginstitute.org/blogs/us/2006/01/sprawl_everythi.html


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Scanned from my own collection of old negatives:

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^^
Brilliant contribution. Thanks for sharing.

Fantastic photos, thanks very much for sharing. Please keep them coming if you have more. I recognise all the locations, apart from the last one. Where is that? Looks like a lovely day, late March in the late 40's maybe early 50's?

Brilliant hoogbouw010, well done.

Wow, thanks hoogbouw010 for posting those pics.

:cheers:

They reminded me that the four biggest mistakes (or crimes against urbanity) of post war Lpool are: St John's precinct, Clayton Square shopping centre, the pedestrianisation of Parker/Elliot Street (especially those steps) and the siting of the QE2 courts in a way that killed off South Castle Street.

Add a fifth: the gated 'community' adjacent to the Anglican cathedral that resulted in the loss of St James Road and easy access to what was designed as the main entrance to the cathedral.

^^

Wouldn't argue with any of those points. I think I am beginning to hate the canal link at the Pier Head as well.

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P. Alliss? Cheesus, just how old is that man? :?

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P-51 Mustang Fighters in Upper Parliament Street Liverpool 1944.

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The Battle of the Atlantic Headquarters in Liverpool.

P. Alliss? Cheesus, just how old is that man? :?

He's about 80, maybe a year or two older and still the best commentator around.

Edit: He's 80 next month.

I was being silly. Alliss have been precocious to have been competing in the Ryder Cup aged 3. I wonder if his dad was a golfer also?

I was being silly. Alliss have been precocious to have been competing in the Ryder Cup aged 3. I wonder if his dad was a golfer also?

His dad's name was Percy, also a golfer.

I didn't even notice the date. :)

They were the first father and son to compete in the Ryder Cup - not at the same time of course - dad five times and son eight.

Paradise Gardens - 1st Feb 1966.



Had nearly 1000 photos out of the LRO in the last month.


Possibly the most inappropriately named housing i've ever come across given the living conditions. Paradise Gardens off Pinnington's Cottages which themselves were off Wavertree High Street were photographed here to highlight the penetrative and rising damp which was prevalent throughout the scullery.



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Rumney Road - 1963


One of a number taken by the city engineers in 1972 to record what was to be demolished.



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During WWII, the Walker Art Gallery was taken over for use by the Ministry of Food. Food as we knew it became difficult to obtain and was rationed, people were encouraged to grow their own. In September 1940, Lord Woolton, the Minister of Food and himself from Liverpool asked the Liverpool tenements architect, Lancelot Keay to draw up plans for what were to become known as 'British Restaurants' Over 2000 of these establishments were to open across the land, the idea being that affordable food would be available to all whilst saving on fuel and power within the home.

On 11th November 1940, Lord Woolton opened the fast moving Keay's first British Restaurant called 'Byrom' (1st photo) integrated into part of the newly built Fontenoy Gardens tenement scheme. The second called 'Myrtle' (2nd photo) was opened by the Lord Mayor of Liverpool in Falkner Street on 3rd March 1941, again as part of the tenement block of Windsor Gardens, itself part of the larger Myrtle Gardens sceme.

In fact four of the first six 'British Restaurants' were contained in tenement developments, the other two being in Warwick Gardens and Prince Albert Gardens.




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Lister Drive from Green Lane as seen on 21/8/67. Once a hive of activity with a Primary School, Public Library, donated by benefactor Andrew Carnegie and opened in 1905, a public swimming baths (1904) and major power station, it is now sadly a shadow of its former self.

Only the baths survives as a functioning building, acting as a fisheries and pet centre with some original features still on view. Facing this are the allotments which stretch right across to the rear of the Grade II listed former Seamans Orphanage (1874 by Alfred Waterhouse) which fronts onto Newsham Park. You will just see the swings on the childrens playground on the right of the 2nd photo.



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^^^^Excellent Keayman. That second pic in post 387...cracking houses those,the chequered brick work of the parapet wall, about 1875.:cheers:

Cheers GV.

Someone who lived in Rumney Road couldn't understand why these ones were demolished. Usually, the photos I get of the slum clearance programmes contain interior shots of mould, damp, cracked walls etc - but none for these.

^^^^Shocking isn't it. Great stuff anyway.

Lister Drive and Green Lane was muted as possible site for an Everton stadium. The Canada Dock Branch line runs virtually through the site. The rail lines can be seen. Close proximity to Queens Drive and the M62 as well.

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This is a great topic, I have enjoyed the old photo's.
I was hoping for more Victorian pics of the City or outer areas.
Do hope for more posts on this subject, especially the street scenes with the bustle of horse drawn traffic.
Thank you all for your time and effort with these posts.

Fantastic Pics everyone a real treat viewing them....

Victorian hustle and bustle as well as unsanitary living conditions in courts to be found here. Mixed with splendour if you lived in the outer suburbs or walked 5 mins from the poor of Hunter Street into William Brown Street.


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Does anyone know if there is any copyright issues of posting up scans of old postcards here?
(A friend of mine has today given me part of his dad's vast collection of old Liverpool postcards and assorted pictures - so I thought it'd be an idea to scan them and post some up here).

Below is an example of what I mean :

http://llrg.co.uk/RLJ_VOL1/RLJ_PC 001.jpg

I love that image of Bold Street.

Increasingly, I really appreciate how hilly the city is, and the views that are afforded because of this.

I would love to see the Lyceum transformed into an art gallery. Preferably Modernist. Its last incarnation as a women's off the peg clothes store was an utter humiliation for the building.

I love that image of Bold Street.

Increasingly, I really appreciate how hilly the city is, and the views that are afforded because of this.

I agree - I really like that one.

In light of no obvious issues being raised about posting postcard images, here are a small bit of a big collection ...

http://llrg.co.uk/RLJ_VOL1/RLJ_PC 002.jpg

http://llrg.co.uk/RLJ_VOL1/RLJ_PC 003.jpg

http://llrg.co.uk/RLJ_VOL1/RLJ_PC 004.jpg

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I'm working on a history of the 1886 International Exhibition in Liverpool and its less well-known successor, the Jubilee Exhibition of 1887, overshadowed by the
Manchester show of that year. I have tracked down plenty of engravings from the Ill London News and the official catalogues and guides, but have found no photographs. Does anyone know of anything extant? I would be surprised if no pictures were taken: Manchester not only had an official photographer, but a dedicated photographic sections in its exhibition.

Since getting things published in print form becomes more difficult every day with the current recession, I shall probably opt for an ebook format. It's a story worth telling anyway.

During WWII, the Walker Art Gallery was taken over for use by the Ministry of Food. Food as we knew it became difficult to obtain and was rationed, people were encouraged to grow their own. In September 1940, Lord Woolton, the Minister of Food and himself from Liverpool asked the Liverpool tenements architect, Lancelot Keay to draw up plans for what were to become known as 'British Restaurants' Over 2000 of these establishments were to open across the land, the idea being that affordable food would be available to all whilst saving on fuel and power within the home.

On 11th November 1940, Lord Woolton opened the fast moving Keay's first British Restaurant called 'Byrom' (1st photo) integrated into part of the newly built Fontenoy Gardens tenement scheme. The second called 'Myrtle' (2nd photo) was opened by the Lord Mayor of Liverpool in Falkner Street on 3rd March 1941, again as part of the tenement block of Windsor Gardens, itself part of the larger Myrtle Gardens sceme.

In fact four of the first six 'British Restaurants' were contained in tenement developments, the other two being in Warwick Gardens and Prince Albert Gardens.




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And here's our favourite "scouser" Tommy Trinder..... how the eff he was picked for the Byrom Restaurant beggars belief, it's not as if there was a shortage of Liverpudlian comic artistes at the time.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-739826801028216592#

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I don't know if this has been posted or not:

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Apparently it's the oldest known photograph of Liverpool - taken in 1851. It was discovered about a year ago by Colin Wilkinson.

More information regarding the photograph on his blog: http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/the-oldest-photograph-of-liverpool/

A few with the custom house in shot.

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http://malcolmlowryatthe19thhole.blogspot.com/2009/07/liver-buildings-liverpool.html

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http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/topp/PrincesDockLandingStages(N)Liverpool(aerial).jpg

From here http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/topp3.html

Pump House Albert Dock 1910s
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Great Videos found on youtube:

Liverpool - The City As It Was (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHs-CgWfT3U&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

There is 3 parts and well worth a look.

Also Liverpool University say Lumière film footage should be ready soon. Here is article:

https://news.liv.ac.uk/2012/01/06/university-recreates-liverpool-overhead-railway-for-the-museum-of-liverpool/

The Lumiere footage has been on YouTube for almost four years now! Unless there's some previously unreleased footage.

This shows St. George's Hall and Church Street, a ride along the Overhead Railway and a brief snippet of the Town Hall. The year is either 1896 or 1897.

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I understand the film is going to be recreated using latest digital technology then shown in the overhead railway carriage so as to create a real life experience.

see below.

Dr Richard Koeck, from the School of Architecture, said: “By using forensic investigative techniques derived from architectural practice, I was able to produce a series of animations that reflect precise geographical references between where the original films were shot on an historic ordinance survey map and the historical film themselves

Wow, that film is wonderful. Amazing to see how the sizes of the ships diminish as they travel south on the Overhead until sails are visible in Princes Dock. It's also the first I've ever seen of what stood south of Princes Dock, they look like really old and ramshackle structures.
Best of all is the hustle and bustle on the street. Can this ever be recaptured?

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81-89 Lord St in the year of its opening,1901, Walter Aubrey Thomas(Liver Buildings fame) The arcade survived minus its 2nd floor glass roof until the early 90's. I didn't see it myself i'm glad to say, because that one would one too far, Liverpool, why did this happen?:ohno:
Photos, English Heritage.

81-89 Lord St in the year of its opening,1901, Walter Aubrey Thomas(Liver Buildings fame) The arcade survived minus its 2nd floor glass roof until the early 90's. I didn't see it myself i'm glad to say, because that one would one too far, Liverpool, why did this happen?:ohno:
Photos, English Heritage.

Wow, the amount of architecture which Liverpool has lost frustrates me :ohno:

What happened to this arcade, how was it lost?

81-89 Lord St in the year of its opening,1901, Walter Aubrey Thomas(Liver Buildings fame) The arcade survived minus its 2nd floor glass roof until the early 90's. I didn't see it myself i'm glad to say, because that one would one too far, Liverpool, why did this happen?:ohno:
Photos, English Heritage.

Wow what a crime, what's replaced this now?( sorry my knowledge of Liverpool is shoddy) and is there other surviving examples of arcades left in the city?

Wow what a crime, what's replaced this now?( sorry my knowledge of Liverpool is shoddy) and is there other surviving examples of arcades left in the city?

The building is still there, it's the interior that has gone,and no,there aren't any other examples of this type in the city.

The building is still there, it's the interior that has gone,and no,there aren't any other examples of this type in the city.

By interior you mean the deco or it's not an arcade anymore?

^^The arcade has gone.

That's a shame, thanks for the answers btw. What's the place being used for now? Offices?

Although the arcade has apparently gone I still hope that one day this building could be developed into a single unit again, it would make a great department store. Its present state is poor.

Its a good thread,enjoy seeing the old pics,thanks for sharing.

http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=22041&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA7595
General Post Office, Victoria Street, Liverpool

http://www.ribapix.com/index.php?a=subjects&s=item&key=SYToyOntpOjA7aTozMzc7aToxO3M6MTI6IlBvc3Qgb2ZmaWNlcyI7fQ==&pg=10

^^Stunning architecture. I've always thought the current Met Quarter roof line just doesn't look right.

^^Stunning architecture. I've always thought the current Met Quarter roof line just doesn't look right.

I agree, that's a very beautiful building.

Great find Mr Kite. That's the best pic i've seen of it.:cheers:

A few more from the website: http://www.ribapix.com/index.php?a=wordsearch&s=gallery&key=Wczo5OiJsaXZlcnBvb2wiOw%3D%3D&pg=1


http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=30841&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA16741
A design for Port of Liverpool Building (or 'Dock Offices'), Pier Head.


http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=90574&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA47661
Reconstruction of the war damaged India Building, Water Street.

http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=90582&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA47669
Warehouses behind St George's Hall, Lime Street.

http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=112804&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA59182
Filming 'Jam Tomorrow' from a crane atop the new Metropolitan Cathedral of Christ the King.

http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=112154&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA58698
Shops on St George's Crescent, Liverpool

http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=31198&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA17546
Albert Dock, Liverpool: the suspension swing footbridge to north of the docks

^^Great stuff. That photo is just a section of St George's Crescent. Built in the 1820's it was a continuation of Regency Lord St , the remains of which were also lost to war damage. Thanks for the link. The Courtauld Institute has some good images of Liverpool.
http://www.artandarchitecture.org.uk/

^^ Great archive pics good find....

Theres also loads here Streets of Liverpool (http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/)
At the bottom of the page click older to cycle through all the pages, a few below from the site.

I can't place the whereabouts on Handover Street the below pic relates to ??

Hanover Street, 1970
http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Hanover-Street-1970.jpg

William Brown Street c1895
http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/John-Bentley.jpg

London Road 1973
http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/London-Road-1973.jpg

All the above pics are from Streets of Liverpool (http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/)

the hanover street picture is opposite tesco now or thereabouts

Yeah, Louis, that's here I would say too or maybe outside Gostins.

LOL at the kids from 1895ish................ when 'posh' was having a pair of shoes. And the changes those kids will have witnessed in their lives as they could well have been alive into the 1970's and beyond. Scary.

The London Road one: is that actually taken from Norton Street looking towards Laser Schoolware on the corner? I can't get my bearings.

http://www.ribapix.com/image.php?i=22041&r=2&t=4&x=1&ref=RIBA7595
General Post Office, Victoria Street, Liverpool

http://www.ribapix.com/index.php?a=subjects&s=item&key=SYToyOntpOjA7aTozMzc7aToxO3M6MTI6IlBvc3Qgb2ZmaWNlcyI7fQ==&pg=10

Another beautiful building lost in the war?

Why was this one never rebuilt? Has anyone got a idea? It was always solid in terms of the walls.

Its still there.

I was recently rebuilt I know, but why was it abandoned in the first place?

Yeah, Louis, that's here I would say too or maybe outside Gostins.

LOL at the kids from 1895ish................ when 'posh' was having a pair of shoes. And the changes those kids will have witnessed in their lives as they could well have been alive into the 1970's and beyond. Scary.

The London Road one: is that actually taken from Norton Street looking towards Laser Schoolware on the corner? I can't get my bearings.

Hiya Rock Savage.

That is the top of London Road looking towards the bank on Moss Street.

Hiya Rock Savage.

That is the top of London Road looking towards the bank on Moss Street.

Gotcha!

(though not in a Belgrano sense..)

I never thought of that far up. Cheers.

I was recently rebuilt



Steve, is that you?


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Steve, is that you?


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:lol:

Superb.

Gawd knows I could do with a rebuild these days!

:lol:

Superb.

Gawd knows I could do with a rebuild these days!

I know the feeling!

F0WdIEJVK-M

I don't know about Rock Savage but didn't the GPO get partly reused as a post office post war?

Yes Awayo, it was deffo still the GPO in the early 70s as I used to go in there with my dad.

^^Cheers Km. I guess the rest of the site was mothballed when they built that now thankfully demolished 80s, brown brick and brown glass PO on the Whitechapel side of the block.

Aha, I can't post it because of rights issues but Km's very own excellent site has pic of the brown thing on here: http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=46351396&cr=7.

I was recently rebuilt I know, but why was it abandoned in the first place?

Rock Savage, the saga of the Post Office building is extended, but I’ll attempt a brief summary. The building “lost” a storey as a result of World War II bombing and the Post Office declared the building redundant in the 1980’s; they then built a smaller office within the site boundaries. The building was put up for sale and the Liverpool property group Walton Group bought it, but declared they couldn’t build because of the new Post Office building! In the nineties, the office was moved to St John’s Precinct, which enabled Walton to begin demolition but despite of claims for a large shopping centre, activity ceased and the building, exposed to the elements, began to decay. After pressure from the City Council “Stop The Rot” campaign, Walton let a contract with Costain to build the shopping centre, and the steel frame began to emerge. Within months work had stopped and remained that way until Walton eventually sold the site to the Milligan Group, who lost no time in demolishing the now-rusting steel frame and creating the Met Centre as we now know it. I followed this saga as it progressed and have the photos to prove it; sadly, I can’t post them, much as I’d like to. I hope this helps you.

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Grove Street/Brownlow Hill thanks and copyright University of Liverpool

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The Walnut Pub from Peach Street - Copyright University of Liverpool

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Brownlow Hill - copyright University of Liverpool

Beetham House

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwmbwls/6835566176/in/photostream

What can you tell me about this building - Is it ever open for viewing?

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Anglican Cathedral 1846 - copyright University of Liverpool

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Gems like this, Sir Thomas street on 11th May 1959. Not in any books or on any site anywhere, but it is now.


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Anglican Cathedral 1946 - copyright University of Liverpool

Sorted. :)

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Crown Street/Brwnlow Hill 1958 - copyright University of Liverpool

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/16/article-2115518-122DC408000005DC-299_964x714.jpg

From this article on Edward Chambre Hardman.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115518/The-terrace-time-forgot-Domestic-life-1950s-Britain-captured-Liverpool-home.html

Hi Martin, I used to remember playing around there when i was a child in the 60s, it was the only place the old copper used to chase us from, learned later that it was a storage unit for cattle, then transported for slaughter on the New Chester road, near Cammel Lairds main gate, and the old Tan yard was next door.

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From this article on Edward Chambre Hardman.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115518/The-terrace-time-forgot-Domestic-life-1950s-Britain-captured-Liverpool-home.html

Interesting photo. I wasn't aware that one of the warehouses of the Albert Dock had a clock tower in the past. :)

Does anyone know what happened to it?

Interesting photo. I wasn't aware that one of the warehouses of the Albert Dock had a clock tower in the past. :)

Does anyone know what happened to it?

Damaged in the war I think

Interesting photo. I wasn't aware that one of the warehouses of the Albert Dock had a clock tower in the past. :)

Does anyone know what happened to it?

It actually survived until the 1960's.

Tithebarn street from Liverpool then and now http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatpicturegalleries/9183589/Liverpool-then-and-now.html?frame=2184539

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02184/10-Tithebarn-St-19_2184566k.jpg

United away.

:lol: They're coming from the wrong station though.

No, could be true.

As well as the routes from Central and Lime Street, Exchange Station also provided a service to Manchester via Wigan.

They'd have never made it through Wigan alive.

http://www.edgehillstation.co.uk/uploads/0674rail.jpg

http://www.edgehillstation.co.uk/resources/liverpool-overhead-railway/

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1954 Odeon Cinema London Road Liverpool

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