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TeLaVivi
April 21st, 2005, 09:39 AM
The Architecture of Moscow - from the 1930s to the early 1950s- Unrealised projects .
Taken from this website (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/index_e.htm)

Palace of Soviets. O.Iofan, O.Gelfreikh, V.Schuko. Sculptor S.Merkulov. A Version of the approved project. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/03e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/03.jpg

Рalace of Soviets (Dom Sovetov). B.Iofan, V.Gelfreikh, Ya.Вelopolsky, V.Pelevin, Sculptor S.Merkulov. A version of the approved project. 1946 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/14e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/14.jpg

The Hotel of the Moscow City Soviet ("Moskva"). L.Savelyev, C.Stapran. 1931 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/04e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/04.jpg

The Рalace of Technology. А.Samoylov, B.Yefomovich. 1933 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/05e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/05.jpg

The building of the People's Defence Commissariat. L.Rudnev. 1933 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/06e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/06.jpg

The building of the People's Соmmissariat of Heavy Industry, A. Vesoin, V, Vesnin, S. Lyaschenko. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/02e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/02.jpg

The building of the People's Commissariat of Нeavy Industry. I.Fomin, P.Abrosimov, M.Minkus. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/07e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/07.jpg

The building of the People's Commissariat of Нeavy Industry. А.Vesnin, V.Vesnin, S.Lyaschenko. Version. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/08e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/08.jpg

The Aeroflot Building. D.Chechulin. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/09e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/09.jpg

House of Books (Dом Knigi). I.Golosov, P.Antonov, A.Zhuravlev. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/10e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/10.jpg

"Heroes' Аrch". A monument to the heroic defenders of Moscow. L.Pavlov. 1942 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/11e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/11.jpg

Residental building on Vosstaniya Square. V.Oltarzhevsky, I.Kuznetsov. 1947 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/12e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/12.jpg

Tall building in Zaryadye. View from the Red Square. D.Chechulin. 1948 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/13e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/13.jpg

is this cool or what ? :eek: some of these projects are insane .

Jai
April 21st, 2005, 10:13 AM
Ahh... palaces of the masses

http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/08.jpg
^ That one looks strikingly modern... if the face was glass it could be mistaken for a proposal today

IchO
April 21st, 2005, 02:46 PM
TeLaVivi, This is one of the best threads EVER released on SSC.
If you have some more meterial such as this one. I'm in Icho99@Gmail.com
And i'm in Tel-Aviv right now aswell.

Nick in Atlanta
April 21st, 2005, 03:09 PM
These buildings are about as hilarious as they are insane. This was all during Stalin's rule. I'm sure that most of these "architects" were killed in one of his massive purges.

The Aeroflot building would actually look kind of interesting. But the Defence building is an enourmous monstrosity!

Balikbayan
April 21st, 2005, 05:31 PM
The Aeroflot bldg is somewhat similar to the Russian White House (the one that was shelled during the coup against Yeltsin and repaired by Turkish contractors)

Thunderflip
April 21st, 2005, 05:56 PM
Wow, those structures look very imperial and ambitious!

city of the future
April 21st, 2005, 05:58 PM
Can't forget the monument to the third, internation which would hyave been round 400m

Frog
April 21st, 2005, 06:28 PM
shame these wernt built, they would have been amazing :(

Saigoneseguy
April 21st, 2005, 06:50 PM
Magnificient ...somehow insane but remember they date back to the 30s,and i think those Commie architects have already known that some plans were just vision/fantasy ideas,and they apparently didn't come up with that.
The 'House of Books' has a very prominent design,too.

Urban Dave
April 21st, 2005, 07:23 PM
:omg: They look amazing! Big, huge, massive.... All a good Skyscraper fan could ever dream! :rofl:

sturman
April 21st, 2005, 08:25 PM
Ivan Leonidov's proposal for Ministry of Heavy Industry (1929-30). It was to be situated at the same parsel as the Vesniny's project shown above.

It is often called a mother of all modern 'box' scrapers:

http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/art-history/werckmeister/May_18_1999/1325.jpg

http://www.herringerkissgallery.com/photogallery/wsteinberg/Vidute%20di%20Leonidov.jpg

http://www.utopia.ru/animation/344.0.jpg http://www.utopia.ru/animation/344.1.jpg http://www.utopia.ru/animation/344.2.jpg http://www.utopia.ru/animation/344.3.jpg

http://sturman.journ.msu.ru/pics/leonidov/02.jpg

http://sturman.journ.msu.ru/pics/leonidov/01.jpg

http://sturman.journ.msu.ru/pics/leonidov/03.jpg

http://sturman.journ.msu.ru/pics/leonidov/04.jpg

http://sturman.journ.msu.ru/pics/leonidov/05.jpg

http://sturman.journ.msu.ru/pics/leonidov/06.jpg

Pedrillo
April 21st, 2005, 08:58 PM
Impressive thread! :applause:

Gatis
April 22nd, 2005, 02:12 PM
OMG, that Ivan Leonidov's proposal is great for its times! It would be cool if it still would be built - but not next to Red Square.
To my mind all this just shows that architectonically we still are living in era of Functionalism. Great thread, thanks!

ELV
April 22nd, 2005, 05:32 PM
incredible buildings!!!!

TallBox
April 22nd, 2005, 05:47 PM
excellent thread tel aviv!

a lot of those are pretty damn impressive - my favourites are Palace of Soviets (naturally), the Aeroflot building, and the Defence Commissariat


they should build those!!

lindenthaler
April 23rd, 2005, 08:09 PM
That s really one of the best threads ever, i d rather have this buildings than skyscrapers (except the first one, where instead of stalin can be another figure, and only when it s all is neutral, so non-communist)

Genç
April 23rd, 2005, 08:21 PM
Wow, some of those buildings are incredible!

samsonyuen
April 24th, 2005, 01:37 PM
Wow, great collection! Some of these would look pretty cool in real-life too!

_alonso_
April 24th, 2005, 01:55 PM
that's what I call BIG commies :eek2:

rark
April 24th, 2005, 01:58 PM
i seriously wouldnt mind some of those structures being built :D

ChrisCharlton
April 24th, 2005, 07:28 PM
oo

ChrisCharlton
April 24th, 2005, 07:29 PM
Cool thread.

Really interesting to see the influece of deco on the mainly 1930's proposals. Also what struck me was the magnificence and status of them - seemingly at odds with communist values? What about the cars in the rendering, all looked very expensive and large, no signs there of the communist values of workers uniting - seems more about dreams sadly never realised.

thepoorman
April 25th, 2005, 01:29 AM
wow, temples to community. er...

coth
April 25th, 2005, 12:13 PM
here is more
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=120441

doormanpoet
May 23rd, 2005, 03:45 AM
Absolutely amazing! The Soviet Union spent a lot of money on the space program and the cold war. Just imagine if all this had been built. It turns out that Communism fell and the cold war ended and nothing ever came of this beautiful architecture.

Chibcha2k
May 23rd, 2005, 04:01 AM
----what a shame that they were never built, they are gorgeous

Ubo
May 23rd, 2005, 04:14 AM
Bleedin awesome buildings, especially the commisarriet of heavy industry building

some_stupid_nut
May 23rd, 2005, 06:35 AM
They really have some cool buildings! I think I like Stalinist architecture. It has that grandeur I'm crazy about.

satit28
May 23rd, 2005, 11:58 AM
those are cool..........
imagine if they were built.............
what will moscow be like today..........
it'll be full of these beautiful buildings..........

Avatar
May 23rd, 2005, 12:20 PM
I'd have to agree, with many of you, this thread is fantastic. Thanks for the insight into proposed soviet architecture.

Some of the designs are so grand, so intricate and so overpowering, funnily enough I really like some of them. I will also concede some of them are remarkably modern for their time... amazing that that box style scraper was conceived 1929-1930 era - such foresight! Even teh House of Books buidling appears strikingly more modern than similar buildings from this period - with large opening/windows and less stepping, same too for the aeroflot building which uses large expanses of glass, not normally found in art deco period building elsewhere in the world.

algonquin
May 24th, 2005, 06:00 PM
reminds me of the Hitler/Speer makeover Berlin would have got.

http://geogate.geographie.uni-marburg.de/deuframat/images/5/5_4/kiecol/pic19.jpg

http://www.robsacc.nl/images/galleries/Grosseplatz05.jpg

Pim
May 24th, 2005, 10:40 PM
reminds me of the Hitler/Speer makeover Berlin would have got.

http://geogate.geographie.uni-marburg.de/deuframat/images/5/5_4/kiecol/pic19.jpg

http://www.robsacc.nl/images/galleries/Grosseplatz05.jpg

Do you have any more pictures? I'd be very appreciated.. :)

spicytimothy
May 25th, 2005, 10:09 PM
wow... such amazing architecture...

guess it's up to the Chinese now :-D

Sen
May 25th, 2005, 10:42 PM
I LOVE COMMUNISM!

M.Poirot
May 26th, 2005, 07:09 AM
The Aeroflot Building. D.Chechulin. 1934 (http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/09e.htm)
http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/09.jpg



http://img283.echo.cx/img283/9126/bikkuri20wr.jpg !!!!

Oh Shit! Great Building! :eek2:

Blue_Copper
May 26th, 2005, 09:12 AM
Love the thread but the buildings are very ugly

metcalf
May 28th, 2005, 05:37 AM
To bad some of these biuldings were not biult, i thinkthat the shearness of them would havebeen amazing, almost brutalist.They would have been monumentsto the time and idea.

Gendo
May 30th, 2005, 05:41 AM
If this had a clock instead of the oversized statue, it wouldn't be bad at all.

http://www.muar.ru/ve/2003/moscow/images/03.jpg

blizzardic
May 31st, 2005, 05:24 AM
very impressive. expecting more

Leienaar
June 1st, 2005, 01:19 AM
Impressive buildings! That Stalin statue would have been the biggest statue in the world I guess? It is so huge that even the gigantic building under it looks rather small.

beiklopa
June 1st, 2005, 02:36 AM
its not Stalin's statue, it's Lenin's statue. there are plenty of the similar ones around the ex-USSR region.

sussucre
June 27th, 2005, 01:40 AM
very nice thread guys ! :)

Lenin's statue was expected to be 80m high.
but how would they have put it upthere ?!? :? :D :?

Küsel
June 27th, 2005, 01:08 PM
These pics are FANTASTIC!!!

Here some more of Speer's Germania:
http://ablecd.wz.cz/darkside/article/germania-city.jpg

The Südbahnhof:
http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/art-history/werckmeister/April_29_1999/RR.jpg

Total Overview:
http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/art-history/werckmeister/April_29_1999/Map2.jpg

The main Avenue:
http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/art-history/werckmeister/April_13_1999/Berlin.jpg

The Stadium (blueprint was for sure Circus Maximus):
http://www.srcs.nctu.edu.tw/joyceliu/mworks/mw-onlinecourse/paranoia_se/ThirtReichArtIndex/Photo/245stadium.JPG

Fallout
June 27th, 2005, 01:45 PM
these are much better to most of what is built in Moscow (or chinese cities) nowadays.

sussucre
June 27th, 2005, 04:25 PM
well fortunatly these nowadays constructions in china or russia don't have exactly the same aim than Germania... these are not following the purpose of war... :)

Küsel
June 27th, 2005, 05:03 PM
Germania would have been built on the ruins of Berlin - not destroyed by war but by Hitler and Speer - parallels to Nero are obvious... Okay, what they did in central Singapore and in Barcelona (for the Olympic games) was also not the friendliest way ;) Or how is it now in Zimbabwe?

ferge
June 27th, 2005, 06:20 PM
If the main Russian tower with Lenin had been built It would of no doubt been one of the World's modern wonders.. It would be like putting ms Liberty statue herself on top of ESB or something, bizarre to imagine.

dave8721
June 27th, 2005, 10:32 PM
Sure beats that giant pyramid thing in North Korea.

tommygunn
June 27th, 2005, 10:44 PM
the Russians like there statues.

empersouf
June 27th, 2005, 11:29 PM
I really wished al these buildings were built, I wonder why they aren't. No money probably?

sussucre
June 28th, 2005, 03:06 PM
Sure beats that giant pyramid thing in North Korea.

ya right, still not finished yet, this wicked pyramid !!! :D

lindenthaler
June 28th, 2005, 04:34 PM
^^ yes it s weird, here is a pic

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/skward2/simon/large/dprk/hotel105.jpg

Küsel
June 28th, 2005, 07:45 PM
You can't judge it now - it's not finnished and maybe it never will be (financial problems). I saw once a very nice blueish glass coverage...

empersouf
June 29th, 2005, 09:18 AM
I like though it's ugly :)

worldwide
July 1st, 2005, 10:11 AM
i like that pyramid too, id like to se it in person

Gladys8it
July 21st, 2005, 01:22 AM
Wow, what an interesting thread!!

Some of those buildings are amazing, and amazingly massive. I'm going to generalize now but, it's funny how some Communist of Stalin's era thought that bigger was better.

Cheers!!

zergcerebrates
July 22nd, 2005, 12:31 AM
These projects look very grandeur and demonstrates the power of the country. Well remember this was before the war, if it was completed during 1930-1945 those buildings could of been bombed by Hitler.

aleph_null
July 22nd, 2005, 02:38 AM
Look at the Moscow now… what the hell happened? Thos are some really amazing concepts.

deli
July 27th, 2005, 11:22 AM
still mesmerised by the empire feeling... THAT is what communist world should look like.....