I am in need of a picture of the ex White Star Building at number 3 James Street. The picture is to send to a cruise ship director who gives a lecture, with graphics, on the subject of the ill fated White Star liner TITANIC. His lecture is very informative but is totally devoid of any reference to Liverpool and the sacrafice of many of it's citizens who crewed TITANIC . I did send him the link to "Liverpoolpictorial" with it's photo's of the "Hero's of the engine room".
Thanks in advance.

I am in need of a picture of the ex White Star Building at number 3 James Street. The picture is to send to a cruise ship director who gives a lecture, with graphics, on the subject of the ill fated White Star liner TITANIC. His lecture is very informative but is totally devoid of any reference to Liverpool and the sacrafice of many of it's citizens who crewed TITANIC . I did send him the link to "Liverpoolpictorial" with it's photo's of the "Hero's of the engine room".
Thanks in advance.

Let me have an email address and I'll send one to you. :)

Let me have an email address and I'll send one to you. :)

I have sent you my e-mail address via the "Private Message" facilty. Thanks a lot.

Sloyne , Albion House c1964

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I am in need of a picture of the ex White Star Building at number 3 James Street. The picture is to send to a cruise ship director who gives a lecture, with graphics, on the subject of the ill fated White Star liner TITANIC. His lecture is very informative but is totally devoid of any reference to Liverpool and the sacrafice of many of it's citizens who crewed TITANIC . I did send him the link to "Liverpoolpictorial" with it's photo's of the "Hero's of the engine room".
Thanks in advance.

wasnt liverpool the titanics home port

wasnt liverpool the titanics home port
Yes it was, Liverpool written in large letters on the stern of the ship.

Titanic was built in Belfast by Harland and Wolf,(there is a Harland and Wolff building somewhere in the dock road area of Liverpool), with maiden voyage from Southampton. Titanic Never got to visit Liverpool.


The following is an interesting web site about Titanic and White Star Line.
Didn't know that the White Star Line was taken over by American interests before the Titanic disaster, click on White Star Line link.
Titanic site (http://www.dalbeattie.com/titanic/titanic.htm)

Amazing what you can find on an internet search.

Yes it was, Liverpool written in large letters on the stern of the ship.

Titanic was built in Belfast by Harland and Wolf,(there is a Harland and Wolf building somewhere in the dock road area of Liverpool), with maiden voyage from Southampton. Titanic Never got to visit Liverpool.

just found it intresting that a titanic lecturer would have no reference to liverpool with liverpool being the ships home

The significance of Albion House (formerly the White Star headquarters) to the Titanic is that the disaster was announced to the wives and families of the crew from the safety of the first floor balcony. Bruce Ismay, the chairman of the White Star line, lived in Waterloo and White Star liners would sound their sirens as they went past his house. Ismay was later vilified for saving himself when the Titanic went down.

At the time of the Titanic disaster, White Star had been taken over by J P Morgan, the American financial magnate. Later on, it was to be merged with Cunard.

Albion House was badly damaged during the War and was partially rebuilt to a plainer design. The gable of the pre-war building was much more ornate.

Isn't it derelict at the moment?

just found it intresting that a titanic lecturer would have no reference to liverpool with liverpool being the ships home

I wonder why? I once went to a lecture on "Modern Music", and the influence of the 'BEATLES' on that music, at Washington State University in Seattle. Only once was Liverpool mentioned and that was at the begginning of the lecture when the lecturer opened with; "And then came the 'BEATLES' out of Liverpool with their cheeky 'COCKNEY' accents.

And I can't begin to count the times I have heard, in documentaries, that the Cunard liner LUSITANIA was sunk off the coast of Ireland while on her way from "New York to Southampton".

Americans always seam to get history wrong

Isn't it derelict at the moment?


I the last remaining tenent (the parole board) moved out just recently.

I think the plan now is for flats. Which would be a shame when you consider the sort of White Star/Titanic attraction could be put in it.

I the last remaining tenent (the parole board) moved out just recently.

I think the plan now is for flats. Which would be a shame when you consider the sort of White Star/Titanic attraction could be put in it.

With Coopers across the road about to be demolished ,the ground floor should be converted into a " White Star" pub called the --- Titanic :cheers: .

With Coopers across the road about to be demolished ,the ground floor should be converted into a " White Star" pub called the --- Titanic :cheers: .Good idea, i was thinking that myself, as pjmulholland said, the White star building itself wood be great with a Titanic/Whitestar themed pub on ground floor, and resteraunt on floor above, with rest as apartments to make the thing more viable.

There is probably plenty of room for a modern expansion of this building to the side for extra apartments.

Never seen a picture of that building, it's amazing, anyone got a more recent colour picture of it?

It already looks like an apartment building.

Hello Skopie

Take a look here (http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/detail.asp?calledFrom=oai&imageUID=17154) for a colour pic.

Or here (http://www.titanic-titanic.com/liverpool%27s%20james%20street%20offices.shtml) for a Titanic website old picture.

Thanks :) If only the buildings around it would be knocked down.

Hello Skopie

Take a look here (http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/detail.asp?calledFrom=oai&imageUID=17154) for a colour pic.

Or here (http://www.titanic-titanic.com/liverpool%27s%20james%20street%20offices.shtml) for a Titanic website old picture.

Juxtapol, I'm glad you posted the link to the Viewfinder site. Great for research - I've saved it in to my favourites. :cheers:

Juxtapol, I'm glad you posted the link to the Viewfinder site. Great for research - I've saved it in to my favourites. :cheers:Has some amazing old and current pictures on there of liverpool,

For example take a look at this.
Blacklers lewis's bomb damaged (http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.asp?index=181&imageUID=76400&main_query=&theme=&period=&county=MERSEYSIDE&district=LIVERPOOL&place_name=)

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/gallery/450/aa0/aa010800.jpg

The building on the right with 'figure factory' upstairs and 'coopers' downstairs mings. Big time.

It should be knocked down ASAP :puke:

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/gallery/450/aa0/aa010800.jpg

The building on the right with 'figure factory' upstairs and 'coopers' downstairs mings. Big time.

It should be knocked down ASAP :puke:

on last night's letters page in the echo,someone was moaning that Cooper's is to close on June 5th so it won't be long now before we see what's replacing it.

Cooper will be missed on those hot summer's days

Has some amazing old and current pictures on there of liverpool,

For example take a look at this.
Blacklers lewis's bomb damaged (http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/search/reference.asp?index=181&imageUID=76400&main_query=&theme=&period=&county=MERSEYSIDE&district=LIVERPOOL&place_name=)

Cheers Juxt.

My kids who I've dragged round the city centre on a number of occasions can't believe it when my dad gets his old books out and shows them pictures of the heavily bombed city centre.

When you see some of those wartime pics of downtown liverpool it's hard to believe the amount of bombs that must have dropped.

When you see some of those wartime pics of downtown liverpool it's hard to believe the amount of bombs that must have dropped.

Yes it is hard to imagine.

Liverpool was the most bombed city outside of London.

on last night's letters page in the echo,someone was moaning that Cooper's is to close on June 5th so it won't be long now before we see what's replacing it.

We visited Cooper's during today's meet-up, follwing our walk around the Prince's Dock. It appeared to have quite a good atmosphere, and certainly looks worse on the outside than the inside. Having said that, I'm quite happy for it to be demolished and replaced with something better :cheers:

We visited Cooper's during today's meet-up,

Would this be the old 'Flying Angel' mission to seamen building?

Would this be the old 'Flying Angel' mission to seamen building?

Kingston House was for a time a training school for catering in the merchant navy. Not sure if was home to "flying Angel"

Yes it is hard to imagine.

Liverpool was the most bombed city outside of London.

Yet all we ever hear is home bad London and Coventry had it. :bash:

Salford got the Imperial war musuem of the North due to "Manchester's suffering during WWII" according to a government minister. Manchester was something like the 67th most bombed target in the UK.

My dad was a nipper during and immidiately after the war. He says him and his mates used to play on the bomb sites around the White Star building and they'd pretend it was Scotland Yard.

Salford got the Imperial war musuem of the North due to "Manchester's suffering during WWII" according to a government minister.

......and also due to Liverpool City Council not bothering to even apply for the museum.

Wirral did though didn't they?

Manchester suffered terribly from bombing in the war,,
I tell you what, lets dismantle the IWMN in the Quays and rebuild it in Albert Dock,just because it got bombed more :)
Sulk Sulk Winge Winge,,,Like Martin S said ,you didnt bother applying for it,
It does come across sometimes that people in this forum are jealous of Manchester for what ever reason,,,but you dont need to be,because i for one think both cities,have great qualities,and are experiecing fantastic regeneration developments (about time too)

Liverpool as some great buildings,just like Manchester but this petty nit picking gets on my tits sometimes :laugh:
ps ... hope you beat Chelski in the week :)

the Manchester/bombing thing is a fact. I mentioned it in the context of war damage, people seem to forget how devastated Liverpool was and how it's suffered as a result of WWII. That's not a whinge or a sulk it's a fact. And it was never written as a Manchester/Liverpool argument.

Mancs love to accuse Liverpudlians of whinging for some reason - probably something to do with their poor education, mill town attitudes to life, surrender to Thatcherism and belief in the shoddy media that soils this nation. I'd say we're fighters and are prepared to stand our corner for what we believe in.

So it wasn't and isn't nick picking it was using perceived ideas to highlight actual facts.

And it's the singular 'Chelskov' if you must use that nausiating, small time abuse. I prefer 'no marks' when referring to Chelsea.

Wirral did put in a bid for the IWM to be sited on the banks of the Mersey. I think it would have been a very appropriate location as it would overlook the river where the Atlantic convoys arrived and departed. The reason given for rejecting it was the relative accessibility of Trafford Park.

Both Liverpool and Manchester suffered terribly in WWII so I don't begrudge Manchester getting the museum. If anything, people do not realise what the people of both cities went through as it often seems that only London suffered in the war.

And Coventry.

Didn't Liverpool get a 'Coventry' style raid for 8 consecutive nights in May 1941.

I know that Bootle was the most heavily bombed area of any british city including London.
I believe it lost 85% of its housing stock.

the Manchester/bombing thing is a fact. I mentioned it in the context of war damage, people seem to forget how devastated Liverpool was and how it's suffered as a result of WWII. That's not a whinge or a sulk it's a fact. And it was never written as a Manchester/Liverpool argument.

Mancs love to accuse Liverpudlians of whinging for some reason - probably something to do with their poor education, mill town attitudes to life, surrender to Thatcherism and belief in the shoddy media that soils this nation. I'd say we're fighters and are prepared to stand our corner for what we believe in.

So it wasn't and isn't nick picking it was using perceived ideas to highlight actual facts.

And it's the singular 'Chelskov' if you must use that nausiating, small time abuse. I prefer 'no marks' when referring to Chelsea.
Tut Tut,,,,,You are quite clearly an intelligent guy,from what ive read in this forum from you,,but i'll have to correct you ,when you say "Mancs love to accuse"that should be SOME Manc's love to accuse...
Believe it or not Toady, i did have a good education,and i do know how much Liverpool suffered in the war,,so i'll just ignore the mill town and poor education comments, and just put it down to you being jealous.

Have a good day

Salford got the Imperial war musuem of the North due to "Manchester's suffering during WWII" according to a government minister.

It's actually in Trafford..........

Salford Quays caw....blurred borders etc.

Apologies for the rant but I'll mitigate by offering the Manc fail safe of whinging scousers etc. every time they're being had off.

Anyway White Star building. Top quality, prime spot, under used, under capitalised. whoever owns it - sort it out.

Forgot I had this.

http://www.**************************/whitestar/image001.jpg

I know that Bootle was the most heavily bombed area of any british city including London.
I believe it lost 85% of its housing stock.
liverpool was bombed worse than london per sqaure mile liverpool was a vital port for supplies from america also liverpool was easier to bomb than london the planes used to line up on blackpool tower and then fly in.

Forgot I had this.

http://www.**************************/whitestar/image001.jpg

Excellent Dave,what a picture!! :eek2:

Forgot I had this.

http://www.**************************/whitestar/image001.jpg
when you look at that building it dosnt look like england more like new york with the fire escape down the side then you scroll down and see the police car.

liverpool was bombed worse than london per sqaure mile liverpool was a vital port for supplies from america also liverpool was easier to bomb than london the planes used to line up on blackpool tower and then fly in.

Canada Dock was the most bombed square mile I believe.

Canada Dock was the most bombed square mile I believe.
no other british city bar london was bombed worse its amazing looking at the old bombed out city all the differnt buildings that had been half destroyed stunning buildings too.

This picture just shows you what a difference buildings like these make to a city.
Imagine everything glass,steel and concrete,totally boring.

I read on downtownliverpool.org that Albion House is to revert back to it's original name 'The White Star Building'. Unfortunately the author of the website doesn't elaborate why or what is going on there. Re-naming it would indicate something was happening. Anyone the wiser ? Something positive needs to be done with this building. It has historical significance and if used correctly could help with the city's image etc. Hope they don't just turn it into flats for investors. At least turn it into a pub or a small museum.

I read on downtownliverpool.org that Albion House is to revert back to it's original name 'The White Star Building'. Unfortunately the author of the website doesn't elaborate why or what is going on there. Re-naming it would indicate something was happening. Anyone the wiser ? Something positive needs to be done with this building. It has historical significance and if used correctly could help with the city's image etc. Hope they don't just turn it into flats for investors. At least turn it into a pub or a small museum.

That's a great idea, that should be a Titanic museum, with a resteraunt/pub on ground floor suitably themed. This would add to the tourist attractions of Liverpool. The history is there, and time has healed the wounds of this great tradgedy, which is possibly why the name was changed in the first place and nothing has been done with the building.

I know we already have a White Star pub near Mathew Street. Very good pub too. Very cozy. There is a lot of potential with the White Star building but from last time I looked it was just an empty building with a to let sign outside of it. There may be the odd law firm or small business on one of the floors but that is it. If it is marketed properly it could be a tourist magnet. At the moment it is just an empty streaky bacon building.

Bruce Ismay's office is at the lowest point on the southern turret. Who played him in Titanic ?

If it reverts to the "Titanic building" then someone with a bit of business nous should be able to open something, I'm sure it would be a big hit. Didnt even know what the building was until reading this thread, its always been "that strange building at the bottom of James St" to me. Coopers and a few other buildings need to get knocked down, I read in the Echo a few years ago that there were plans to build a "Spearmint Rhino" on that site. Imagine that, "I'll just go for a pint in the Titanic pub, look at the museum and then nip over the road for a quick 50 quid lapdance"

How about a Titanic Spearming Rhino ? Kate Winslet gets her Jalallabads out and the guy who does the best drawing gets a free pint. Or am I just being ridiculous.

Most people have no idea that this building is the head office of the White Star line which is a shame. It's part of Liverpool's history and very worthy of being chucked in with the COC Malarke. Lot's of people around the world are enthusiastic about Titanic and everything that encompasses it. The Merseyside Maritime museum must be a bit pissed off being asked only about the White Star liners and little else. They would probably be against a Museum on the Albion House premises as it will reduce their visitors. Turn it into a pub or Restaurant then. Get those White Star flags dangling outside too. Sell it and remind everyone about the history.

And a fine set of Jalallabads they are Zod. I suggest a Titanic COC Spearmint Rhino - it will be fantastic, the stripper scould even "go down" on the customers

Hope to God someone thinks of this but obviously people will complain, especially at the Museum. Prime location too, next to the train station and across the road from the Pier Head.

I just hope it isn't turned into 'Executive' flats. Wouldn't bother me too much if the upper floors were turned. The ground floor and the first few floors should be preserved. I have no idea why no-one has taken this building under their wing.

Yes, too many flats at the moment, if you want more flats build a skyscraper that LCC wont reject.

It really is a good idea with a lot of potential.

I believe the building was badly gutted in the blitz. A museum is certainly the way to go, but there is very little inside that would resemble how the building was in its White Star days to be preserved.

I believe the building was badly gutted in the blitz. A museum is certainly the way to go, but there is very little inside that would resemble how the building was in its White Star days to be preserved.


A lot of old buildings get wrecked over time but the main thing is that it was the original offices and the Titanic was built by a Liverpool company, that in itself is a USP!

Hope someone with a bit of cash looks into it!

Yes, it was badly hit during the war. If you look at post war photos you can see a difference in brick coulouration on the roof. It may not have it's pre-war charms on the inside any more but surely with a few bob, old photos and a bit of nous this can be sorted.

This must be one of the most underuterlised truly 'worlds class' assets Liverpool has - Titanic is so well known on the world stage and yet again the city cant make anything of its Liverpool heritage and connections ( I even saw a tacky tourist Titanic lifebelt recently with 'Titanic - London' on it !!! ffs)

Why dont they just make it an extension of Merseyside Maritime Museum - it is right next door and could house a permanent exhibition of cruise/emigration stuff -they just have had a big exhibit on this at Albert Dock.

Seems so obvious !

They could even have it a standard stop off for cruise visitors -they would love the historical significance of the 'golden age ' then again maybe they wouldnt be too chuffed to be reminded that large boats do sink :eek2:

oh and by the way 'ismay' memory serves me right Johnathon Price played Ismay in the fillum. Coat !

Indeed, any other city in the world would be all over this Titanic business like a rash.

Yeah, we need to stake our claim before Belfast gets in there and mops up all the artifacts.

http://newswww.bbc.net.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4141684.stm

Just read that article pjmulholland, interesting reading. I remember e-mailing David Gilooley who had a similar idea 'Titanic 2' for Liverpool's waterfront. It was to be a replica Titanic with restaurants and museums on it. He said that he banged upon many doors and no-one would help him. The project would cost about £250 million apparently. A bit of a gamble in my opinion but people would come and see it. There are articles in the echo archive about it. Just 2 mind so I don't think it is going anywhere. I contacted Mary Murtagh, the echo journalist who wrote the articles after speaking to David Gilooley and she said she hadn't heard from him for a while and assumed the project was dead.

Belfast are cashing in on their Titanic links and so should we.

And don't you think a light sculpture is a much more economical and tasteful solution to remembering the ship?

Shame we didn't have it first.

Titanic - Liverpool and White Star Building "The luxury liners."

With regards to the "Titanic" like her sister ships and other she was owned by the "White Star" company - Liverpool.

Port registered in "Liverpool" which was on her bow - not Southampton and not London. (regardless of the films made in error.)

Liverpool, post `White Star`, has not saught to capitalise on the "Titanic" disaster despite the heritage of the beginings and endings via the Cunard ship`Carpathia` and the Merseyside Maritime Museum can point you to the time and place plus "The White Star building and "The Cunard building"
yards from the "Pier Head."

Forget not the "Dickie Sam / Titanic Memorial" whithin their shadows.

Port registered in "Liverpool" which was on her bow .
The TITANIC port of registry appears, as with all ships, on the stern under the name.

The TITANIC port of registry appears, as with all ships, on the stern under the name.

Ha, so you are awake!

Just found the two pics of the building that were lost when my site went down a few months ago :cheers:
http://www.**************************/whitestar/image001.jpg

http://www.**************************/whitestar/image002.jpg

I hope they rebuild the front gable.