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Outer wall Palace Gate of the Forbidden City

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Cuu Vi Than Cong - Holy Cannons guarding the inner Forbidden Purple City

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Ngo Mon - Noon Gate

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Dien Thai Hoa (Palace of Supreme Harmony)

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Royal Incense Burner

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Hien Lam Cac - Hien Lam Pavilion

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Cung Dien Tho (Palace of Longevity) - Queen Mother's residence

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I have always wonder why sometimes the palace is translated to forbidden "PURPLE" city......i believed it has nothing to do with the color purple.....?

Purple is the color that was symbolically attributed Sao Bac Dau (the North Star). The naming of the Imperial residence as such implies that it was the cosmic centre of the universe.

i don't know about dat. but my grandmom told me that. before the vietnamese war... most of the school in Hue.....all girls have to wear traditional clothes but only in purple color. and made hue are purple.

wonderful pics....but i think there's a large area within the citadel is still in very bad conditions,ruined from the war and nothign has changed since then....

Yeah a significant part of the FPC is badly ruined or totally razed to the ground as a result of the 1947 battle with the French and the 1968 Tet offensive. Something like 70-80% of the whole complex is ruined beyond recognition.

The problem is that we don't have the money (or rather maybe a lack of effort by the authorities) to restore those buildings to their former glory like what's been done in China, Korea or Japan. Although there are buildings and gates currently being restored, like the last one shown above.

That's interesting, the Chinese imperial palace in Beijing built in 1422 is called 紫禁城 Zijin Cheng, which literally means "Purple Forbidden City".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_City

The Forbidden City (Chinese: 紫禁城; pinyin: Zǐjìn Chéng; literally "Purple Forbidden City"), located at the exact center of the ancient City of Beijing, was the imperial palace during the mid-Ming and the Qing dynasties.

Also, Beijing's Forbidden City is mostly in red and gold as well so I wouldn't know why "purple" was in the name either.

http://www.sinolanguage.com/forbiddencitysnow.jpg

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Anyway, I find Vietnam's Forbidden City to be quite beautiful :) It's too bad that it appears to be damaged during the war. Are there any pictures of the Vietnamese Forbidden City during its heydays? :)

I´ve heard the government is cooporating with UNESO to reconstr and expand "the forbidden city" untill 2020. Is that right?

Man the Chinese Imperial Palace is awesome....would love to visit it someday too

Well restoration work is currently being carried out but I'm not sure whether they'll rebuilt the buildings that were totally razed to the ground or not. The main issue is still funding.

The small replica of the entire Purple Forbidden City complex looks quite awesome.

Very beautiful! It has this mysterious atmosphere that I cannot describe.

Hope the Complex will be totally renovated soon...
This is the model of the entire complex..

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Some more pictures....

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Nice pics!

Very nice indeed. Rebuilding palaces and old buildings is often bloody expensive.

wow, really lovely, looks really similar to chinese style, probably because chinese ruled vietnam for ages before, but how come it's seems so old? is it becaz of the vietnam war??
i really love this palace, nice one^^

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wow, really lovely, looks really similar to chinese style, probably because chinese ruled vietnam for ages before, but how come it's seems so old? is it becaz of the vietnam war??
i really love this palace, nice one^^
The whole East Asian architecture, namely Japanese, Korean and Vietnamese are all heavily influenced by Chinese architecture. However, over time, they developed their own distinct (more or less) variations. Also, the fact that each of those cultures were heavily influenced by China during different periods also further contributed to their distinction. For example, Japanese architecture is more similar to Tang dynasty Chinese architecture while Vietnamese architecture (at least those left standing) tend to be more similar to Ming / Qing dynasty Chinese achitecture.

I read that Vietnam wants to rebuild the complex and return it to it's orginal glory.......But, always a but..........the Unesco said that if Vietnam were to rebuild everything they will take away the title "world heritage site" because they want the palace to keep the destroyed parts of the palace , because it's also part of history
That makes sense...

ya, so we are all in 漢字文化圈, right?

ya, so we are all in 漢字文化圈, right?
More like 大中華文化圈 because we share much more than just Hanzi.

More like 大中華文化圈 because we share much more than just Hanzi.


heh, can you guys translate those words too? cant even see the characters, which i assumed they are...

more like ..........? because we share much more thatn just hanzi

heh, can you guys translate those words too? cant even see the characters, which i assumed they are...

more like ..........? because we share much more thatn just hanzi
You probably don't have the files needed to read non-Roman languages installed.

But yes I do apologize for not translating, or at least providing romanization for the characters as this is a non-Chinese section.

大中華文化圈 Da Zhonghua Wenhua Quan - "Greater Chinese Culture (Influence) Circle"

You probably don't have the files needed to read non-Roman languages installed.

But yes I do apologize for not translating, or at least providing romanization for the characters as this is a non-Chinese section.

大中華文化圈 Da Zhonghua Wenhua Quan - "Greater Chinese Culture (Influence) Circle"


Oh that wat it is..

Vietnam had been under Chinese domination for a thousand years so the influences are obviously ubiquitous....It is fortunately the Vietnames indominable spirit of self-rule had not yeilded or else would result in Vietnam as just another province of China.



Just a quick note to our Chinese friends that my statement is not meant to create any condescending altitute or any negativity but simply stating a fact.

Oh that wat it is..

Vietnam had been under Chinese domination for a thousand years so the influences are obviously ubiquitous....It is fortunately the Vietnames indominable spirit of self-rule had not yeilded or else would result in Vietnam as just another province of China.

Just a quick note to our Chinese friends that my statement is not meant to create any condescending altitute or any negativity but simply stating a fact.
That's understandable. :)

Anyway, back to Vietnam's Imperial Palace... :)

Hi Pangu,your new avatar looks cool :)

Hi Pangu,your new avatar looks cool :)
Thanks, it's the symbol of 國民黨 Guomindang, the Chinese Nationalist party.

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Yes and No
Vietnam too had many dynasty. The Nguyen was the last one and yes they were influenced by the Ming in China, but before that Vietnamese architectures are very distinctive.
That's why I said at least the buildings that are still standing look mostly like Ming dynasty Chinese architecture. Anything older are more likely to have been destroyed during wars or simply crumbled.

By da way.....the CHinese forbidden city looks cool, but it was designed by a Vietnamese architect? the name is Nguyen An......that name was still recognized by China historical society up until 1958.....but now everytime China talks about the history of the forbidden city they left this name out. and put him under the category "consultant" instead of "architect"
Really, do you have any sources on that?

I've heard of such claims before though so you certainly are not the first one to make it :)

Kinda interesting discussion... http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?&act=ST&f=17&t=8491 dig it everybody!

Kinda interesting discussion... http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?&act=ST&f=17&t=8491 dig it everybody!
Oh no... not AsiaFinest... :bash:

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the 2 websites in English are no longer working, so when I find new one I will let everyone know.

Hey I'm third generation CHinese born and bred in Vietnam and mah last name is distintively Chinese: "Pang" so no playing side here, just trying to be fair.
No one is accussing you of anything :)

But frankly, what difference does it make if the Forbidden City was designed by a Vietnamese, assuming he designed the whole complex too. :)

Haha yeah Pangu, it doesnt make any different.....suprising as a Vietnamese this is the first time i have heard of such claim.

As you said the nations that are under the Chinese cultural sphere had more or less evolved and blended the tradtional chinese characteristics with a traditional local flavor. Then continuing with Bang's points...i'll say The Temple of Literature in Hanoi, is best example that illustrates the traditional Vietnamese characteristics. It is not very "traditional Chinese' if you want to put it that way.

Though the Purple Palace is much more splendid in scale..i love the Temple of Literature more for its simplier design, less ornimated...and especially the roof...that is very traditional. I believe tradtional Chinese architecture do not employed or used widespead this styel as is in Vietnam. It is seen in temples and residental houses.

Here are some images of the temple...again note at the simplier and cleaner design details...


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VERY NICE!!!

When was that temple built?

The architecture remind me of older Chinese architectural style, namely Han & Tang dynasties and also of Japanese architectural style too as theirs was mostly influenced by China during Han & Tang dynasties as well. Although the first picture is not as obvious but the bell post and the lamp post is especially similar to Han & Tang dynasty style design.

I believe the more "complicated" design didn't flourish in China until the Ming dynasty.

The Temple of Literature was the first university in Vietnam and for centuries the prinicple center of learning. Parts of the Temple date from 1070. Over the years, parts of the Temple have been destroyed and parts have been added. What remains is spectacular. The longevity of the structure is even more astounding when you consider that the hot, humid climate of Vietnam isn't really suited to preservation. The Temple of Literature is still actively used as a place of worship, with many altars of burning incense and statues of the Buddha.

Texts are from this website http://www.antiquetools.com/viet/viettemplit.html you guys can go there for further info.

Here are two more images of the Temple's entrance

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Those picture are from where?
Is it the same palace?
Becoz the thing in those picture are newer~

It's the Temple of Literature (Van Mieu) complex in Hanoi built around 9 centuries ago to honour Vietnamese scholars and their outstanding contributions to Vietnamese scholastic and academic tradition.

Some houses Tortoise Steles with the inscription of names of Vietnamese Trang Nguyen (scholar mandarins) through the various dynastic eras.



Vietnamese architecture is quite distinctive by the fact that the chief materials of construction are often stone (for gates), terracotta (figurines), brick (walls)and hard wood (support pillars). Vietnamese traditional roofs are more curvy and the colours are often brown, red and black.

One more thing, ancient Vietnamese (namely Hanoi) architecture is very reserved in style and colour choice, unlike their counterpart in Hue (central Vietnam), Korea or China (probably not Japan), where they ten to use much more variety of brighter colours and with flair.

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but da chinese destroyed them all.....so view from the CHinese side....I would say YEAH, Power to the chinese, we're strong and powerful.......but seeing from Vietnam point of view ..I would say...come on mah brothas and sistas....let's defeat the HANs hehehe
Being a Chinese, I'm not particularly proud of my ancestors destroying your palace. Heck, I didn't even know about it until you mentioned it.

In any case, buildings being destroyed in war or battle is a fact of life... many of our palaces and temples were destroyed as well. The Yuanming Yuan (Winter Palace) in Beijing for example, was completely destroyed and burned down by the British and French I believe, during the 1800's. All that's left is a pillar or two. That doesn't make me want to "defeat the British or French" :) And I doubt the British and French are sitting at home now going "Yeah, we're strong and powerful!" :)

UNESCo they're bad and evil.

I read that Vietnam wants to rebuild the complex and return it to it's orginal glory.......But, always a but..........the Unesco said that if Vietnam were to rebuild everything they will take away the title "world heritage site" because they want the palace to keep the destroyed parts of the palace , because it's also part of history

No, Unesco would make sure the palace is restored accurately and faithfully. They are experts. The Vietnamese government, like the Chinese government, can make some bad judgement when restoring their historical buildings. Instead of loyally following the original plans, officials have added their own "touch" to save money or make it more interesting in their eyes.

http://gilkergu.club.fr/index.htm

this is a great website, thanks bang, unfortuanately there isnt an english translation...the supposed to be english translating icon is not working.

hey y no body use this post no more i think this is very eximent topic i wonder it being rebuild to it orginal form yet
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They should let Bao Dai be buried on the same ground as his ancestors. Another Tomb can be built. They reburied Czar Nicholas and his family in Russia. These people are an icon of a nation, they deserve to be respected as such.

i think hue citadel is very big when rebuilt...it wouldn't be smaller than the chinese forbidden palace...hue purple palace has been vastly leveled...there is only about 1/3 still left standing....btw bao dai is a puppet monarchy...so he is not so much an icon of vn and totally different from nicholas...are you an descendant of bao dai?

i feel so sad for the imperial city in Hue...it didnt receive many intention of reservation and renovation like the other like hoian.

actually Vn forbidden city is very small compare to the chinese. the layout seems to be the same but you have to remember their buildings are much larger.
Thai Hoa in Vn is only 1/3 the width and 1/4 the height of Thai Hoa in CHina.
Ngo Mon in Vn is only 1/2 the width and 1/3 the height of Ngo Mon in CHina.
same layout different ratio. most of their main buildings usually 4-5 storeys tall, VN built only on human scale or have the height of 2 storeys max

i heard hue imperial city is about 1 sqkm and china's forbidden palace is not anywhere near that size.

i heard hue imperial city is about 1 sqkm and china's forbidden palace is not anywhere near that size.

you have to look at the map. Hue has two layers of fortress. 1sqkm I think is the citadel fortress. the inner ring is the purple forbidden city.

Just like CHina what you see now is the Purple city. the actual citadel covered the huge tianiemen square, Mao mausoleum, the parliment and all the government buildings.

you have to remember they often say "kinh thanh" and "Hoang thanh"
in time of war people can go inside Kinh Thanh to seek refuge, but they can never enter Hoang Thanh.
i see them restoring the corridors, not sure all or partial. it's not long as china, but lots.....I say the total of corridor structures is about 1/3 of palace buildings in Hue. I read about this corridors reconstruction on Kien Truc magazine 2 yrs ago.

jaro you have updates for this?


ps. danangboy cut the post into 3-4 posts, it's too much, by the time all your pics are shown up, they logged me out from the forum too...this is the 3 time I had to log in again

Hue's Forbidden city is only 1/3 the size of Beijing Forbidden city.

I couldn't see the photos from the first post.
What a shame! Anyone can help?

i've been to imperial city in beijing,it's really huge. If u take a look at google earth u can see it clearly at 10km away from top-view while u cannot do the same w Hue's one.

china's forbidden city should be bigger anyway cuz china itself is 35 imes bigger than vietnam.

But anyway, can we say that Hue imperial place is pretty much in ruin.. only 1/4 of it remains and really in bad condition

Those buildings look like a rip off/xerox from Chinese buildings, nothing looks resemblance to our traditional "nha san" architectual style.

i believe hue citadel is more ornated, many detailed craftsmanship, the chinese citadel is not like so, only red paint, lots of red paint.

http://gilkergu.club.fr/index.htm

this is a great website, thanks bang, unfortuanately there isnt an english translation...the supposed to be english translating icon is not working.

hey you versasin
what ya doing now? have ya becoming an architect yet? hehe

I have lots of building drawings to show you. but you have to promise to build it in Vn only. Or I will sue you hehe

the vnmese people in the pics from that website look so dark, almost black, it's sad they have no shoes...Nam Phuong the queen of Bao Dai look chinese.

look at the pic the building that red is still in the city and the one is that yellow is not and it after the typoon
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Why you would assume that anyone with a light skin all have chinese origin?

Nam Phuong Hoang Hau is Tien Giang girl man

no the eyes are so...cat like...mat hi

Why you would assume that anyone with a light skin all have chinese origin?

Nam Phuong Hoang Hau is Tien Giang girl man

she's not tien giang girl, she's a go cong girl. lol i know it cuz that's the only thing my granddad's "que" proud of :lol:

The perimeter of Hue's Forbidden city is approximately 600mx600m = 360,000 square metres whereas Beijing's Forbidden city is 900mx900m = 810,000 square metres.

^^ It's clear now

That's interesting, the Chinese imperial palace in Beijing built in 1422 is called 紫禁城 Zijin Cheng, which literally means "Purple Forbidden City".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_City



Also, Beijing's Forbidden City is mostly in red and gold as well so I wouldn't know why "purple" was in the name either.

http://www.sinolanguage.com/forbiddencitysnow.jpg

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Anyway, I find Vietnam's Forbidden City to be quite beautiful :) It's too bad that it appears to be damaged during the war. Are there any pictures of the Vietnamese Forbidden City during its heydays? :)

A glaring error in Wikipedia.

The Imperial Palace, Beijing is called "Zhi Jing Cheng"

"Zhi Jing" means forbidden or to forbid
"Jing" also means forbidden

Yup and Cheng means city.


Some guy who posted on wikipedia thought "Zhi" there meant purple. :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

It should be Zi Jin Cheng.
This guy's standard Mandarin sucks. :D

Tu Ca^'m Tha`nh

Cam=forbid

Ca^?m= a shade of purple

Maybe a mistake afterall.

they called purple city because every person lived in that city had purple skin.....they wore purple clothes....ate purple food......simple as that.

It should be Zi Jin Cheng.
This guy's standard Mandarin sucks. :D

Oops... Long time never used hanyu pingying....

^^
You were joking on "Pingying" right? :D It should be "Pinyin".

^^
You were joking on "Pingying" right? :D It should be "Pinyin".

:lol:

Anyway someone please edit Beijing Forbidden City.

The "purple" thing is such a disgrace to be left there, given the millions of people who use Wiki. Some of my classmates even used "purple forbidden city" in their architecture presentation...

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故宫是明清两代的皇宫，先后曾有24个皇帝居住在这里，统治中国长达491年。那么，这座皇宫又称紫禁城？
我国古代天文学家，根据对太空天体的长期观察，认为紫微星垣居于中天，位置永恒不移，是天帝所居。因而，把天帝所居的天宫谓之紫宫，有“紫微正中”之说。
紫微星垣是以北极星为中枢的星群。北极星亦称北辰，古代认为它是天上最尊贵之星。《论语·为政》载：“为政以德，譬如北辰，居其所，而众星拱之。”南宋大哲学家、大教育家朱熹的见解更为精辟，他说：“北辰，北极，天之枢也。居其所，不动也，共向也。言众星四面旋绕而归向之也。”后来，就把“拱辰”比喻四方归向的意思了。
封建皇帝自称是天帝的儿子，是真龙天子；而他们所居住的皇宫，被比喻为天上的紫宫。他们更希望自己身居紫宫，可以施政以德，四方归化，八面来潮，达到江山永固，以维护长期统治的目的。
明清两代的皇帝，出于维护他们自己的权威和尊严以及考虑自身的安全，所修建的皇宫，既富丽堂皇，又森严壁垒。这座城池，不仅宫殿重重，楼阁栉比，并围以10米多高的城墙和52米宽的护城河，而且哨岗林立，戒备森严。平民百姓不用说观赏一下楼台殿阁，就是看一看门额殿角，也是绝对不允许的。
明清皇帝及其眷属居住的皇宫，除了为他们服务的宫女、太监、警卫人员之外，只有被召见的官员以及被特许的人员才能进入。这里是外人不能逾越雷池一步的禁区。因此，明清两代的皇宫，既喻为紫宫，又是禁地，故旧称紫禁城。

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hey i wonder any body from the Nguyen dynasty family stilll livce today?

hey i wonder any body from the Nguyen dynasty family stilll livce today?

Some kids of Bao Dai even can not speak Vietnamese, They follow their French mother! :bash: :ohno:

There are many Nguyen descendants living in Can Tho. They are impoverished. So sad considering the excesses of their forefathers.

that sad y isnt the goverment help them or something
wae about this guy
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a0/270px-Prince_Bao_Vang_of_Vietnam.JPG
Prince Bảo Vang of Vietnam (also known as Yves Claude Vinh-San) is the son of Emperor Duy Tân. He was born on Saint-Denis, Reunion Island, April 8 1934.

Education

He graduated from Lycée Leconte Delisle, in Reunion Island and Lycée Chasseloup Laubat, Saigon, South Vietnam.

Family life

Prince Bảo Vang is married to Jessy Tarby and they have ten children, Yves Vinh-San, Patrick Vinh-San, Johnny Vinh-San, Jerry Vinh-San, Thierry Vinh-San, Stéphanie Vinh-San, Cyril Vinh-San, Didier Vinh-San, Marie-Claude Vinh-San, Marilyn Vinh-San and Doris Vinh-San.[1]

He is accomplished jazz musician, poet and author.

Nguyen dynasty

In 1987, he escorted the remains of his father Emperor Duy Tân with other members of the royal family to Vietnam in a traditional ceremony to rest in the tomb of his grandfather, Emperor Dục Đức. [2]

He currently serves as the Grandmaster of the Order of the Dragon of Annam [3] under Crown Prince Bảo Long of Vietnam. The position is non-political in Vietnamese politics and the role of the royal family under the leadership of Crown Prince Bảo Long is for humanitarian, educational, and cultural endeavors of the people of Vietnam.

This is a contrast difference from the minority political movement of the Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League under the leadership President Nguyễn Phúc Bửu Chánh. Crown Prince Bảo Long strongly disagrees with their position and has not extended any authority for the return of the Nguyễn Dynasty to power in Vietnam. Prince Bao Vang has extended his help to historically record the history of the royal family of vietnam for future generations.

Author

In 2001, he wrote a book titled "Duy Tân, Empereur d'Annam 1900-1945"

wow... i feel bad for him and his family
they were the symbol of vietnam, how can the viet govt just leave them?

but i wont worry because they will receive some kind of recognition in time
the viet govt is learning to value, preserve, respect its past

y can the vietcong treat them like the one lao and thai did to their royal family i think they scare they hav to share money with the nguyen famaly

dude u hav to admit the future of our homeland is in the hands of the "vietcong"
they are corrupt...
but they still have to save their reputations

i think hue citadel is very big when rebuilt...it wouldn't be smaller than the chinese forbidden palace...hue purple palace has been vastly leveled...there is only about 1/3 still left standing....btw bao dai is a puppet monarchy...so he is not so much an icon of vn and totally different from nicholas...are you an descendant of bao dai?

no china would not allow vietnam to do so. same goes for korean, china would not allow them to have a bigger palace than china.

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Wondering why old VNese customs (clothes) were not fashionable at all. Even if it were the one for king, it still looks stupid :)) we cannot give it a reason that VNese r humble (tired of this), give me some reasonable reasons ...

That the way we were, dude. I like it though, even the high ranking mandarins and the aristocrats didn't dress themselves in exorbitant manners. The clothing was very simple yet the fabric were the best in all of Asia. Lanh My A were even more precious than silk.

Wondering why old VNese customs (clothes) were not fashionable at all. Even if it were the one for king, it still looks stupid :)) we cannot give it a reason that VNese r humble (tired of this), give me some reasonable reasons ...

wat u mean those are ao dai man that wat make up ao dai of vietname one of the most beutifulest dress in the world man

Wondering why old VNese customs (clothes) were not fashionable at all. Even if it were the one for king, it still looks stupid :)) we cannot give it a reason that VNese r humble (tired of this), give me some reasonable reasons ...


We are not stupid and of cause our forefather also is not stupid. :bash:
But the French tried to make us to become stupid and lazy for them to control our nation easily. And they drive a wedge the Viet people to become hate each other from different part of the country and from different class of the society... :bash: :bash:

...the fabric were the best in all of Asia.
That is debatable at best...

That is debatable at best...


Yeah! I think he's just joking! :lol:
Don't care about that! :)

pipapipo..u watched too much Goong...:)

The clothes look fine for me, here is Korean royal family for comparison:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/3e/300px-Imperial-family.jpg

pipapipo..u watched too much Goong...:)

The clothes look fine for me, here is Korean royal family for comparison:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/3/3e/300px-Imperial-family.jpg

Wow! I didn't know that U also watched Goong! :ohno:
:lol:

That is debatable at best...

It is not debatable, it is a fact. What do you know about Lanh My A ?

In the olden days, only rich landowners in Vietnam could afford this type of native fabric as the manufacturing process was so labour intensive and the finished product a soft, delicate, smooth and elegant satin.

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/dataimages/original/images400756_LanhMyA.jpg

where did u get that picture of the model?

where did u get that picture of the model?


Here: http://english.vietnamnet.vn/dataimages/original/images400756_LanhMyA.jpg

i wonder if they gonna rebuild the imperial city in it full model ???

haha

the pace they rebuild depends on the flow of funds(money)

i thought it is a historic site for tourest dont they get the money from that

Van de la co ai du? tam de giao cho mot cong ty quan ly, ton tao hoang thanh. Cung khong biet duoc la ong ty do co ton tao lai di tich mot cach duong hoan hong.

đúng là có tiền của tourists, nhưng mà mấy người quản lý làm việc quản lý cũng cần tiền để xơi.......không xơi thì không có sức mạnh để trông coi, gác cỗng Hoàng cung, yếu quá sẽ bị tụi Tây to con xô 1 cái té rồi tụi ni vào hoàng thành miễn phí

đó là chưa kể hoàng thành là lịch sử đau thương của biết bao nhiêu người con gái đau khổ vì bắt vào làm cung phi, tranh gianh ngôi thứ, và lịch sử nhiều như vậy thì không có ma hoàng hậu thì cũng có ma thái giám, hay ma cung phi, hay ma nô tì........mấy thằng quản lý nếu không có đủ tiền để xơi thì gặp ma sẽ xỉu

rồi nữa, ngoài tiền xơi chính thức, tụi quản thì cũng cần tiền xơi không chính thức, loại tiền này không phải ai ban phát mà tụi ni nhìn trước nhìn sau không có người tụi ăn cắp rồi nhét vào trong ví.......

nghe đâu bây giờ luật ở Vn đã bắt khâu ví lại, nhưng ta nghĩ cũng có thể nhét vào quần short, hay nách, hay nuốt vô bụng rồi về nhà ệ ra...vân vân và vân vân....ta không phải tụi ni mà ta còn suy nghĩ đuoc như vậy, tụi ni là pros thì tụi ni có nhiều cách

thành ra việc sữa chữa hoàng thành cứ chờ nhà ngoại quốc ngu ngu nào đó tự bỏ tiền ra vậy là hạnh phúc muôn dân, thái bình trăm họ

amen

ta đang coi đài VN ở trên TV, (của người Việt ở Toronto, không phải htv của VN) thấy nghe nói người ta nghĩ Trung Quốc là nước làm ra lụa, nhưng theo lịch sử thì người VN đã biết làm hũ nuôi tằm đệt lụa trên 5000 năm nay, trước khi Trung QUốc qua, và đúng là lục Việtnam tốt và đẹp hơn Trung QUốc nhiều, có rất nhiều vua chúa Hy Lạp, Lã Mã đã qua mua lụa VN, vì người ta cũng tìm thấy rất nhiều tiền cổ La Mã ở VN

vậy là cái bạn kia không phải nói bậy, không những vậy La Mã còn có những cái hũ đựng nước mắm mua từ Viễn Đông, có thể là Vn và la mã đã buôn bán với nhau từ lâu rồi, vì trung quốc không ăn nước mắm

ai tìm được thêm tài liệu cho ta biết ta chửi tụi ngoại quốc dùm cho hehe.
kidding....nhưng ta sẽ dạy tụi hắn cho...bây giờ chưa chắc, nên chưa dám dạy tụi nó

thế bác lấy đâu ra tư liệu VN có hú nuôi tằm vào khoảng 5000B.C :-s
Cái gì bác cũng hco là VN nhất thế, phải công bằng công tâm chứ :D

vn i tiền giấy trước,
có thư viện trước,
trồng cơm trước,
bây giờ ta mới nghe dệt tơ nuôi tằm trước,
có thể là làm nước mắm trước ở đông nam á,
vá biết ăn trầu trước.....
ăn dưa hấu trước, do An Tiêm tìm ra,
và ăn bánh trưng trước do con vua Hùng nằm mơ thấy ông tiên dạy

từ từ sẽ moi ra nhiều thứ nữa

đẻ ra bác BANG trước , một và duy nhất :))

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http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/congphoto/45z.jpg


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/nhatminh05/Hue1.jpg

nhin thay ma thuong....

the IPP in beijing is always conserved with great care,while the one in Hue...i feel pity for it.

i went to hue last summer. it was Amazing but then it was really sad to see the state the palace was in. i talked to guides and there are alot of plans to renovate the palace. He said that the moat around the citadel wall will be dug out and canoe would be rented.

source: Thanh Nien News (http://www.thanhniennews.com/entertaiments/?catid=6&newsid=24718)

The Leibniz Cultural Exchange Association of Germany is joining hands with the Hue Relics Conservation Center to restore unique murals of An Dinh Palace in the imperial city of Hue.

http://www.thanhniennews.com/images/newsimages/andinh-027-07.jpg
An Dinh Palace

Work on the restoration is estimated to cost more than 444,000 euros ($568,831), with 355,000 euros coming in the form of non-refundable aid from the German Government.

In the first two-year phase since 2003, six murals in the lobby of the three-story Khai Tuong Pavilion, the center of An Dinh Palace, were restored with the use of preservatives to halt environmental impact and restore the original facade.

These 90-year-old murals each measure 1.9x1.4m or 1.8x1m and have gold-plated frames made of wood, with images of modified apricot blossoms and lotuses elegantly carved on.

In the second phase in 2005-2007, the project has aimed to revive about 3,600 sq.m of murals and decorative patterns on the walls of the palace.

History

An Dinh Palace is an archetypal structure of Hue imperial city, built on an order for King Dong Khanh (1886-1888) on the northern bank of the An Cuu River right after his accession to the throne.

Later, King Khai Dinh (1916-1925) had it transformed into a magnificent palace in an enclosure that covers about 2.5 hectares and houses numerous architectural structures systematically planned.

The architecture and inner decoration of Khai Tuong Pavilion in particular and An Dinh Palace in general, came as an amalgamation of Western and Eastern cultures at the beginning of the 20th century.

An Dinh Palace is a combination of steel reinforced concrete of the West and the traditional wood, bricks and tiles of Vietnam.

Like many other architectural structures in Hue, after nearly 100 years of existence, An Dinh Palace has been badly affected by wars, harsh weather conditions, and repeated political upheavals, and as a result, it has been deteriorating.

As a result, the murals are fading and distorted, many wall sections that used to be decorated with sophisticated designs and patterns are now covered with lime washes and dust after such a long period of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1k66BVVPYY

So it's Purple Forbidden City or just Forbidden City?

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http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/hue/hueimperialcity6.jpg

i think the word 'purple' is put in by the foreigners to differentiate it from the chiness forbidden city
No, they are both derived from the same name 紫禁城 but 紫 here does not mean "purple". It was due to a bad translation.

http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/hue/hueimperialcity6.jpg

the old city itself is the fortress, this is only the palace

is this palace still being rebuilt/renovated? it looks so awesoem!!!!!!

No, they are both derived from the same name 紫禁城 but 紫 here does not mean "purple". It was due to a bad translation.

If 紫 here does not mean "purple", what does it's mean?

"原来,中国古代天文学说,根据对太空天体的长期观察,认为紫微星垣居于中天,位置永恒不变,是天帝所居。因而,把天帝所居的天宫谓之紫宫,有“紫微正中”之说。
封建皇帝自称是天帝的儿子,是真龙天子;而他们所居住的皇宫,被比喻为天上的紫宫"

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/17758730.html?fr=ala0

根据上面的解释, 紫也有purple的意思。

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If 紫 here does not mean "purple", what does it's mean?

"原来,中国古代天文学说,根据对太空天体的长期观察,认为紫微星垣居于中天,位置永恒不变,是天帝所居。因而,把天帝所居的天宫谓之紫宫,有“紫微正中”之说。
封建皇帝自称是天帝的儿子,是真龙天子;而他们所居住的皇宫,被比喻为天上的紫宫"

http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/17758730.html?fr=ala0

根据上面的解释, 紫也有purple的意思。

Yep, 紫 means purple in most cases, but here in the context 紫 represents 紫微星(北极星/Polaris) which is called the Star of Emperor in the Chinese history, so we can say 紫 stands for the emperor.

http://baike.baidu.com/view/163855.htm

^^ Yep but it's purple anyway. Coz 紫微星 is like a small, purple star?

^^ Yep but it's purple anyway. Coz 紫微星 is like a small, purple star?
But calling it simply "purple" is only taking the name at its face value without considering the true meaning behind it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_City

The name "Zijin Cheng" is a name with significance on many levels. Zi, or "Purple", refers to the North Star, which in ancient China was called the Ziwei Star, and in traditional Chinese astrology was the abode of the Celestial Emperor. The surrounding celestial region, the Ziwei Enclosure (Chinese: 紫微垣; pinyin: Zǐwēiyuán), was the realm of the Celestial Emperor and his family. The Forbidden City, as the residence of the terrestrial emperor, was its earthly counterpart. Jin, or "Forbidden", referred to the fact that no-one could enter or leave the palace without the emperor's permission. Cheng means a walled city.